I've never understood the term 'real whole rest'. What's a 'fake whole rest'? I feel I'm missing something here. In the video you refer to bar 10 as a 'real whole rest' but it just looked like another empty bar with a rest in it, to me. I know that I used to have to enable Finale to allow me to put fermate over 'real whole rests', that's where I came across the term. I suppose it means rests in a piece of finished music as opposed to completely empty staves that didn't happen to get used. I feel the spirit of John Cage drawing near😀
Well... ok... technically, the whole rests that appear in empty measures are called "bar rests". But they happen to be the same symbol as a whole rest which more specifically takes up four beats. But we use the "bar rest" in empty bars of ANY length. 3/4 measures only have three beats but we use a bar rest symbol to mean that all three beats are empty, not to mean four beats of rests. I guess I just refer to the "bar rests" as fake whole rests, and "real" whole rests as rests that get implicitly added to the measure. In Finale terms, a bar rest gets displayed in every empty bar, (although, you can actually tell Finale to NOT display bar rests), and technically it doesn't count as data in that bar (if you're counting active frames and whatnot), but an implicitly added whole rest does count as data and is actually an item that you can do things with, including adding fermatas, or moving up or down etc. So yeah... "fake" vs. "real" whole rests... it's all the same, but they behave differently in Finale.
@@ConqueringFinale Oh wow! Thank you for that explanation! It's just dawned on me! It's the American v. British thing! I never connected the word 'whole' with the length of four quarter beats (crotchets for me). That would have been a 'semibreve rest'. I would talk about 'full bar rests' (whole rests) as opposed to 'semibreve rests' (rests worth four quarter notes). I had no idea it was just a linguistic difference. That's going to make it a lot clearer in future. Thanks for that.
@@nigelhaywood9753 Ha... yeah, the American vs. British rhythmic terminology is... a thing! It's actually always funny to me that British people get confused by the American system of naming rhythms. It's literally just fractions. Once you get that a Whole Note takes up 4 beats in Common time, it all just makes sense. A half note is half as long as a whole note, a quarter note is a quarter as long as a whole note, an 8th note is 1/8th as long as a whole note... etc. etc. etc. It's actually very logical! Kind of like the Metric system! Which, you know... lol... at least we share that in common... for better or worse! ha!
So; when you have hided the staves and there is one system with 5 lines, one with 8 lines, one with two and so on. So then the score is messy and I cant get the parts to fit together. Any movie on that?
Try some of the videos in the Page Layout section. Particularly 21-4 related to System Margins and Spacing. www.conqueringfinale.com/perfecting-page-layout
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I've never understood the term 'real whole rest'. What's a 'fake whole rest'? I feel I'm missing something here. In the video you refer to bar 10 as a 'real whole rest' but it just looked like another empty bar with a rest in it, to me. I know that I used to have to enable Finale to allow me to put fermate over 'real whole rests', that's where I came across the term. I suppose it means rests in a piece of finished music as opposed to completely empty staves that didn't happen to get used. I feel the spirit of John Cage drawing near😀
Well... ok... technically, the whole rests that appear in empty measures are called "bar rests". But they happen to be the same symbol as a whole rest which more specifically takes up four beats. But we use the "bar rest" in empty bars of ANY length. 3/4 measures only have three beats but we use a bar rest symbol to mean that all three beats are empty, not to mean four beats of rests.
I guess I just refer to the "bar rests" as fake whole rests, and "real" whole rests as rests that get implicitly added to the measure.
In Finale terms, a bar rest gets displayed in every empty bar, (although, you can actually tell Finale to NOT display bar rests), and technically it doesn't count as data in that bar (if you're counting active frames and whatnot), but an implicitly added whole rest does count as data and is actually an item that you can do things with, including adding fermatas, or moving up or down etc.
So yeah... "fake" vs. "real" whole rests... it's all the same, but they behave differently in Finale.
@@ConqueringFinale Oh wow! Thank you for that explanation! It's just dawned on me! It's the American v. British thing! I never connected the word 'whole' with the length of four quarter beats (crotchets for me). That would have been a 'semibreve rest'. I would talk about 'full bar rests' (whole rests) as opposed to 'semibreve rests' (rests worth four quarter notes). I had no idea it was just a linguistic difference. That's going to make it a lot clearer in future. Thanks for that.
@@nigelhaywood9753 Ha... yeah, the American vs. British rhythmic terminology is... a thing! It's actually always funny to me that British people get confused by the American system of naming rhythms. It's literally just fractions. Once you get that a Whole Note takes up 4 beats in Common time, it all just makes sense. A half note is half as long as a whole note, a quarter note is a quarter as long as a whole note, an 8th note is 1/8th as long as a whole note... etc. etc. etc. It's actually very logical! Kind of like the Metric system! Which, you know... lol... at least we share that in common... for better or worse! ha!
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So; when you have hided the staves and there is one system with 5 lines, one with 8 lines, one with two and so on. So then the score is messy and I cant get the parts to fit together. Any movie on that?
Try some of the videos in the Page Layout section. Particularly 21-4 related to System Margins and Spacing. www.conqueringfinale.com/perfecting-page-layout
Thank you! I will try. Great videos :) @@ConqueringFinale