I saw Jorbs at the shop yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and shouting “THE BOOT!” and kicking me in the shin.
Lifecoach fans: jorbs is so egotistical and cruel for all the stuff he says about olifecoach Jorbs fans in this video: who is this lifecoach guy, never heard of him before
Jorbs has an equal ego to LC, lets not kid ourselves. The reason Jorbs has lost his viewer-base is because he's passive aggressive to the extreme, even toward his own chat. It's not because he's being hated on by LC, or because the community on Reddit is censoring him. I say this as someone who learned a lot from Jorbs but quickly switched when I found Baalorlord/ Xecnar, literally because of tone. Everything Jorbs says *sounds* condescending. He actively makes chat feel like idiots/ ignores them. I don't see why he still has viewers, tbh.
Just so speak to Jorbs point about the negativity and hate being entirely one sided, I have watched hundreds of hours of jorbs streams and videos and I had never even head of lifecoach before this video. That to me says a lot.
I heard him be referenced, at least im pretty sure he was meant. From Lifecoach streams i also havent heard of jorbs directly, pretty much referenced the same way.
[Disparate comments from a long-time watcher who came to the game after finding Jorbs videos --> got addicted with hundreds of hours of play --> finally quit the habit after an A20H kill with all characters.] 1. This is so juicy and fun as an observer. And, that's what's so toxic about it. I totally get the psychology of LC's viewers, and (similarly) eagerly watch Jorbs' videos / read his posts on this subject. It requires active moderation from both sides to prevent this dynamic, precisely because it is so compelling. 2. All the stats arguments Jorbs makes are foundational and basic, but do require one to have an understanding of the principles of statistics. Even smart people (e.g. LC) get basic stats concepts wrong, see the history of the Monty Hall problem. 3. From my perspective, the chat logs here underplay how toxic LC is or can be. The one time I watched an LC clip, he generalized his feelings about Jorbs into a super xenophobic rant about how Americans are stupid. He's streamed for thousands of hours, so of course this is cherry-picked, but then 'monkey runs' and 'donkey runs' really paint the picture if you think it through. 4. Jorbs - one of the reasons I gravitated to you is because you have (or I perceive you to have) a kind of reformed arrogance that I identify with. Some MTG guys are the same way. Like, as a younger guy / person, you achieved huge success in a competitive tournament setting, realized how that led to an over-inflated ego, try to tamp that down now, and yet you still feel that sense of achievement. Same here. And, when someone comes up and impugns my ability or accomplishments or whatever, I am not gonna back down. Nor should I. Importantly though, there is a cognitive dissonance there, and I can see how that would be super annoying to talk out live everyday. 5. I still watch every strat-talk type video about STS that you post. Not so much the runs anymore. I hear that it's annoying to engage in the community / spur discussion. But, the fact that it does spur discussion / debate is (obviously) evidence of its appeal. You have to make that tradeoff yourself, but yeah - I vote for more.
"From my perspective, the chat logs here underplay how toxic LC is or can be" holy fucking shit what? It's so funny that he would make it about "Americans are stupid" when... jorbs isn't even American. Americans just caught in the crossfire 💀
@@wattihrvolt-pn3pf I can totally understand how some would see jorbs as arrogant sometimes, but I feel like that mostly stems from moments where he is being strict about his boundaries and chatter is annoyed that they can't do whatever they want and just have the streamer take it
So this fellow : - Barged into a community that had metrics in place - Called everyone and the metrics that had been set trash, and using his online following to enforce that - Bullied anyone who disagreed with him - Tied the value of anyone to the metrics he set - Moved those metrics around to stay on top because that mattered to him for some reason Like, yikes man. Strength to jorbs.
Literally anyone who calls themselves a life coach is full of themselves. It takes a special kind of person to say “I know how other people should live their lives”
I agree that it sounds like a narcissist (not that I am a psychologist). It reminds me of "the real quiz" moment in the British office when the boss's boss loses at a pub quiz and can't deal. m.th-cam.com/video/P-2BFjSMVsU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUYT2ZmaWNlIHVrIHF1aXogcHViIGJvb3Rz There's also a weird undercurrent of culty victomhood coming from LC's channel. Like Jorbs is opressing them by being incredibly good at STS.
I wanna tag on to the coolheaded guy. A couple years ago I was in Jorbs’ stream watching an Ironclad run, and i randomly decided to type out that the first run that I ever won was an Ironclad run where I got unceasing top and took every anger I could find and basically went for a really jank infinite. I was joking about how bad it sounds now as an A20 player, but Jorbs took the time to read my chat, and said “Hey, it sounds like you found a strategy that won you an A0 run, and for the first steps that’s all you need!” And I just thought that was really kind of him. Most of my improvements came from meticulous study of Jorbs vods, I would pause every TH-cam video at every card choice and tell myself which card I would choose and why, and then I’d resume the video to see if Jorbs chose the same card and what his reason was. Eventually our answers got more and more similar, or if they were different I was able to more clearly articulate why I chose my card and whether I thought it was defensible or not. I have always thought of Jorbs as a kind, empathetic person, and it hurts my heart to see anyone subjected to treatment like this.
I think what pisses me off about the community response, after reading a lot of reddit comments, is the tone policing in the vein of "Oh, just ignore the drama. Take the high road jorbs. Why are you getting so upset and making such long posts whining, you're adding fuel to the fire!" You're being harrassed and bullied by an entire community which is not only hurtful to anyone who has feelings but also has a real effect on your material conditions and your workplace conditions. "Not caring" is not an option for you.
Yes. When you're being bullied, real life or online, "not caring" is not an option. Bullying/mobbing is NOT others having negative or differing opinions about you, it's being the target of an on-going, pervasive, psychological abuse (and sometimes even physical violence in escalated rl situations).
He said in this video that other unnamed slay the spire streamers deal with the same thing as him. If they didn’t make huge Reddit posts or 2 hr videos about it then obviously it’s possible to take different approaches, jorbs is just choosing not to. That’s a perfectly fine choice, so you don’t even need to defend this part
@@csrjjsmp hey. Hey bud. No one actually thinks you’re cool for this shit. It’s just annoying. Jorbs is being incredibly even handed here. He’s pointing out a creator who is enabling bad behavior. He still complements LC for being good at the game. Being good doesn’t excuse being a bad member of the community. And the community explicitly wants beef- Jorbs is just the current target. What if it was a smaller streamer? Someone who didn’t have an active mod team? You think this vitriol would just go away?
I just want to point out that all the "who is this lifecoach guy" comments on this video are a reflection of the efforts Jorbs makes to not allow toxic behavior on his stream/channel. I do know who Lifecoach is, but having never really spent time with his stream, most of the information in this video is new to me. Based on what I'm seeing from the Lifecoach chat logs, the fact that I was unaware of this drama is a monumental achievement on Jorbs' part. On the flip side, it's funny to think that if Lifecoach had made the same efforts with his community, the drama would have fizzled long ago.
This comment is amazing and shows just how easy it would have been 3 years ago, but I did experience it once, and it made me not want to ever go back to LC,
So it's the streamer's fault that the """community""" does dumb shit? You have to actively police what your community does/says everywhere at all times? Reddit-tier argument.
@@GeneParmeseanPI Of course streamers set the tone for their respective communities. Even the most laissez-faire streamers ban people. Also, Lifecoach clearly actively participated in harassing Jorbs. He allowed the behavior in his chat AND participated himself. I don't see any issue with holding him accountable.
@@GeneParmeseanPI The streamer has plenty of opportunity to shut down stupidity through multiple avenues. Bans, moderation, getting rid of terms in chat, calling out what behaviour won't be tolerated, Lifecoach has done none of those things, Jorbs has done all of them. This beef could be solved by Lifecoach, he chooses not to do it.
I think the most telling moment, for me, was the line of text to the tune of: Now that the Jorbs drama is over we really kinda need someone new to beef with. This is characteristic of a number of communities I can think of, all of which I would not recommend allowing at your rally. I wish you all the best, Sir Jorbs, I'm sorry your obvious skill at a video game has made you the target of a toxic community. Some people lift others up, some tear others down: please keep being a builder!
It's interesting that I think that if you were like, actually bad at the game, someone just rubbing it in would still be rude? Elementary school bully behaviour.
Exactly, like I barely need to look at the stats, i honestly dont care if jorbs is technically the "BEST" or secretly bad at the game??? im enjoying the streams and the runs on youtube its so irrelevant to me everything else
In this sense, I kind of think it is sub-optimal to focus on the lying aspect of his behaviour rather than the rudeness of it. It is perhaps a little distracting from the more important point and, as is constantly shown, often difficult to quantify so can easily take up a lot of space in the conversation.
However I am ALSO petty and will point out that a good Heel is someone who's actually strong, and they win and you wish they wouldn't and that's narratively compelling. It's a real shame that instead of an interesting drama this is mostly just, awkward.
it's one of those things where it must hurt to be told you are bad and know you aren't. If it were me I'd have to publish the stats too. Even if it hurts my overall point about the stats being meaningless and that we should all just vibe
A funny thought experiment is that I’ve been watching jorbs youtube and stream on and off for like 3 years and just now discovered who Lifecoach is. I wonder how mant people can say the opposite, makes you think about the purpose of each streamer…
Best part of this is that literally all sports are winstreak based - literally winning tournaments / winning playoffs is all about winning specific important games in a row vs raw win%. In fact having the best win% in regular season play (i.e. Seattle Mariners in MLB, Warriors in NBA) is the dictionary definition of "statistical curiosity" vs what actually matters which is winning championships
Most soccer leagues are win rate based, where there are no playoffs, it’s just total points after a season. Only exception is the MLS because we’re American and we like having a championship game
As someone who went through plenty of bullying in middle school, this is kinda gut-wrenching and vile that he not only made it a point to continue after the first dm, but lets his chat take a turn.
LMAO a P of 0.00002 is like, genetic research, where your samples are duplicated millions of times. you don't usually SEE this p-value in the real world
I got better at STS from being a part of your community and I had a great time while doing it. I worry that LC is incentivizing outrage culture and that whatever "joy" his fans are feeling from bringing others down isn't as gratifying as simply applauding successes and continuing to improve one's strategy in the game. I also think you are right to address this problem head-on, it's pretty clear that harm is being caused here. How else can we support your channel outside of subscribing, liking, and commenting on your videos?
@@Jorbs This is the response of a fucking legend, what a guy. I started tearing up when I read this, thank you for consistently being so sweet and inspiring to me, and others. I will 100% give someone a hug right now.
Bro the fact that LifeCoach entered the scene shit talking Jorbs and hasnt stopped is maddening. I kinda want to get back to streaming StS with my Too Many Mods Sneko Runs and stuff like this makes the space feel uninviting
this video is like, has a lot of good analysis and statistics, but a lot of the opening was some white guy named "Stephen" reading out mean comments about Jorbs. didn't vibe with that. I skipped all that part
@@ZandarKoad any more, any spreadsheet is Excel... tell me I'm wrong :p LibreOffice Sheets? Excel. Google Sheets? Excel. Excel? I guess we can count that too...
Hi Jorbs longtime viewer. Just wanted to let you know I respect you a great deal for the community you’ve built and generally being a mature guy. Sorry you’ve been having to deal with this, you’ve got my sympathies.
Minor issue with how you presented his stats: It is true that the average rotating winrate for his suggested class-specific winrates works out to 80%, but you have to adjust to the fact that he didn't play them all at an even split. If he always started with Watcher after a loss then I suspect you would point it out, but he played 50% more Defect runs than Watcher and you didn't account for it. For what it's worth, adjusting to this would make his expected overall winrate over his sample 78.76%. Every time you say 80% or put it in a distribution calculator you should be using this number instead. Don't have much to add to all the other stuff, I've known the guy is a jackass for a long time.
This is the same Lifecoach who was a Hearthstone pro, and quit the game based on a card reveal that "will ruin the game"... and turned out to be a meme card forever and ever?
the comparison between his behavior/claims and what you showed at the end is… enlightening and disgusting. he made a claim presenting himself as significantly better than everyone else, then actually tested it and found himself significantly worse than he was claiming. somebody finding out that their loose understanding of their skill level is quite different from their actual one isn’t a problem to me at all. its good for people to check their accuracy of understanding, and there’s only value to be gained when you realize that the difference is much more significant than you would have thought. it’s when they decide to use that understanding to shit on others that all of a sudden a lot of that grace goes out the window. the moment someone tries to beat others down using something like this is the moment I start getting pretty damn critical of it. this is gross, and I’m glad you brought this shit to light like this
I had never thought about how all this stuff would've impacted you re: conventions and other public events, but hearing it it's so obvious and I'm sorry you have to deal with it 🫂The least I can do is at least let you know that I love watching your videos and find them entertaining and relaxing We love you, Jorbs ♥
Insightful information, middling pettiness, and continuous reassurances/calls for peace and adult behavior and expectations. 10/10 drama video, goated presentation.
This truly sucks! You already know this but you've done a great job keeping this drama out of YOUR content, I've watched a ton of your videos and never knew this was happening. I create content myself and know how hard it can be to keep a large community of chatters under control. It's not just the moment to moment chatting but the overall atmosphere you have to build over a long time. So impressive work! I appreciate not just your card clicking videos but especially your insights as a human being. Thank you for all that! Have a great day!
This is such a strange situation. Thanks for addressing it, I wasn't very aware of the situation before, but showing the raw data and everything pretty clearly shows the truth. I don't watch this channel expecting perfect gameplay anyway, it's enjoyable to watch and it's better than I can do, that's all I need. It's baffling to me why anyone would make up statistics about this though when the proof is right there.
I see lifecoach has progressed from being insufferable on hearthstone to being insufferable on spire, some things never change. Jorbs, you're not only great at the game but also as a person and that's why we gravitated towards your content. Keep doing your own thing. When every other player needs to compare themselves to you, despite you never doing that, it speaks volumes about how the community sees you.
It sucks being uncomfortable to do the things you enjoy doing, spire chats and the overexplained runs are my favorite videos on this entire platform. Much love.
Jorbs/Mr Flamell. Ive watched your stream/content since almost the beginning of you playing STS, and you are undoubtedly the most level headed, insighful, funny, calming and just all round amazing human being who plays the game. Your way of calmly, cooly, critically analysing the games you play, and the world and communicating it in such clear language is what I strive for. What I mean is I strive to have the cognitive integrity and balance and (in a good way) almost robotic temperament that youve built for yourself and every stream/video inspires in me a new way to think about everything. When I was growing up a ND kid, LT Cmdr Data was my idol. And at some point you replaced him. Hope you take that as the compliment its meant to be. Im sorry all this drama has happened to you. If anyone didnt deserve that hotheaded alpha wannabes drama, its you. Hope you keep killing it like you always do. POJCLAWPOJ
Hey, just wanted to say that you've perfectly communicated basically everything that I also love about Jorbs and his stream. Very skilled at STS and strategy games, but also just an amazing human being.
@@beanotI'd like to agree as well. I started to watch jorbs since I've been relatively young and I'm barely 18 even now, still but a wee lad. But I aspire to be like jorbs, or at least take the best parts of him and sort of incorporate them to me. In general he's an inspiration of a human being and I hope to treat people with the compassion and empathy he does every day.
As a chronic youtube lurker who loves tuning into both your runs and explainers it’s really unfortunate to hear that there’s been this ongoing problem with this bully. Definitely not okay and I’m really sorry you’ve been having to deal with that. Really appreciate all you do jorbs. Thank you and hang in there.
Back when Hearhtstone was relatively new Lifecoach's fans were also extraordinarily insufferable there There's like a decade of his community just being toxic towards others who were just minding their own business.
Thats just how things roll being a Jorbs viewer, i've watched him every day I can for the past 2ish years and had only just heard him mention lifecoach for the first time recently.
I remember an excellent video of LifeCoach encountering a fatal error after an opponent played Nozdormu. He had a reputation for being a meticulous (time consuming) player.
oh my god i know this isn't the point and i know this isn't the appropriate takeaway but he went fifteen and SIXTEEN on silent?? after claiming his wr on her was 75%??? that is so incredibly fucking funny holy shit
@@ethandavis7310 I think that silent is different enough to play that her win-rate in a rotating format (especially for someone used to grinding one character over and over) would be the one that drops most. Let's not be the type of people we dislike when they're targeting jorbs!
@@StViers I'm not targeting him though, he opened himself up to criticism when he made claims he failed to back up. Jorbs gets targeted and clowned for claims he never made.
I’m a mathematician at heart, so when I first heard the discussion of streak vs win rate, my gut felt that win rate was a better metric because it includes more of the data. That being said, hearing you talk about it for 2 minutes once made it perfectly clear why it leads to a less enjoyable play experience.
Yeah it sucks that most viewers aren't statistically literate, so LC's take on large sample winrate really sticks even though jorbs et al have shown fine alternatives.
I very much agree with this comment. Overall, if the conversation / comments were just left at this then there really would be no “drama”. Let people who want to play for streaks do so, and win rate maxers do the same. I feel like the problem comes in when LC chooses to insist that he is the best, as if Jorbs is his rival. Hell, even a lot of what LC has done would be fine in the right context where there was actually a two-sided competition. However LC seems to foster a community that despises Jorbs for no good reason, while Jorbs has just asked to be left alone. I’m not a big Jorbs or LC fan, and feel like I can see some ego from both (admittedly more from LC), but LC is definitely in the wrong for fostering a community that seems to hate Jorbs for no good reason.
@@tremkl right. He can't proclaim the benefits of large sample while also only including smaller samples that (weakly) support his claims about how good he is
Also large sample sorta removes the useful distinction between win chance and win rate. If you care about how good others perceive you at sts and sample play is the only way to get metrics then you're forced to try your absolute hardest on every run which isn't fun for most people
Strange how LC's channel was known for his mods back in 2014 Hearthstone era, banning people left and right for no reason. Now it has evolved into a cesspool of people shit talking and bullying other streamers unmoderated? What a time to be alive!
I think I figured out the problem here folks: Jorbs makes it LOOK too easy to win this much, this fast, this consistently. He should like... sweat more or something. Tense up really hard while playing cards occasionally, so that the rest of us can feel a commensurate level of effort while watching. Maybe, just maybe, crowd-sourcing StS turns isn't actually improving outcomes. (Can't really pin the losses or wins on LC personally, given his collaborative play style.) LC isn't even playing the in the same neighborhood, country, continent, planet, universe, dimension as Jorbs. And it shows. P=0.00002 for community group play with 3x the time taken to implement the crowd-sourced plays.
One thing I can say about Jorbs: He is an EXCELlent content creator! (Sorry, I couldn't find a play on words using 'Google Sheets' which is what he's actually using in this video.)
Streamers are responsible for their community. "Streamers are role models and leaders of the communities they create or foster around them. Streamers are expected to use channel moderators and the tools we provide, such as AutoMod , chat timeouts and bans, to mitigate hateful conduct in their channel." If they have fostered a community that engages in bullying of other streamers of same game for any reason there should be some corrective action by the platform. Who knew discourse around a single player card game could be so toxic..
the majority of tournament formats are literally about achieving a win streak, whether that's in combat sports, tennis, fighting games, golf, anything that takes the priority away from a long season and onto a condensed period of competition is literally a sport using a win streak as a metric of success
Yeah I was gonna post that since people play series specifically so they don't have to play out every single game. When playing a best of 7 in a finals, they stop after one team goes 4-0 when it's people competing against each other. Spire is obviously different because 1 person winning their run does not cause the other person to lose their run, but the comment about sports was just really dumb.
This is the only way I would ever want a Jorbs drama video to go. A very large sample size in a spreadsheet that statistically shows the other person is violating twitch TOS for no reason other than to be mean.
I don’t actively watch Twitch, and have never watched Life Coach outside of really old Hearthstone content back when I played Hearthstone almost 10 years ago, but this makes me sad to see and hear. As far as I can tell, Jorbs really tries to stay positive and encourage his community to be positive. It’s also so sad to see that so much of the negativity shown here are chatters just trying to create drama and bully people. I wish a video like this wasn’t necessary.
Having thought about this more, this seems to be a good microchosm of a lot of facts about streaming a game like Slay the Spire that can lead to toxic situations. People watch streams for many reasons, personality and entertainment value are certainly big ones, but a lot of people - and I catch myself doing this too - want to see the best players excelling. You have to be very entertaining to succeed with mediocre skills. Projecting yourself as the best player and who always plays optimally like LifeCoach does is not primarily an ego issue like people tend to say - not that it isn't also that - but one of incentive and marketing. So many of his viewers seem to find it very important that they're watching the best streamer with the most optimal plays, which is why he constantly insists that he is exactly that. And I don't see him changing that marketing strategy any time soon, as long as it is what his audience expects and tunes in for
Hey Jorbs and Jorbs viewers. Just wanted to reach out and say, thank you(jorbs) for being a voice of reason, and levelheadedness is a situation which could be extremely difficult for you. I've never commented on basically any video before, but I felt after watching this you might appreciate some support even if its in the form of a youtube viewer who uses your videos to sleep. Thank you for being you. From your friendly neighbourhood lurker/youtube viewer.
Jorbs: takes 2 hours going over statistical analysis that can be condensed to maybe 30 minutes LifeCoach: takes 6 hours to do a Slay the Spire run that can be done in 45 minutes LifeCoach has always been "Deliberate" (slow) at strategy games when he was playing Hearth Stone he would try to take 2 minute turns when you were at most given 90 seconds. one of the most memed clips of him was in a tournament it was turn 2 he didn't even have a 2 mana card, and it still took him 45 seconds to click his hero power which had little to no downside at that point in the match. while his opponent on cam was hysterical because "It is turn 2 how hard can turn 2 be you either have a card and play it for tempo or you click the hero power and pass"
1:21:39 there's nothing more annoying than someone who hasn't studied statistics talking about statistics. I've seen all your stats related videos and they're all solid!
@@JakeFish5058I know you’re joking, but as someone doing their thesis right now in probability and statistics, it’s so frustrating to have people brazenly overestimate their competences in understanding and interpreting statistics. Like, this shit is hard. Even something as deceptively simple as win rates, which Jorbs already did a fantastic video on.
the only truly enjoyable part of this video for me is that Jorbs is speaking for 2 hours; he had such a nice voice and way of speaking. I hope your next video is on something that brings you joy. thank you for your content.
I'm glad you have chosen to express yourself in a way that you feel comfortable doing so, that allows people to respond to, and whilst continuing to demonstrate your values (openness to others and their perspective, respect, kindness, and trying to be the best you that you can be), I'm just sorry that you have had to do this. You remain a shining light in the community for this and everything else.
I liked that part where you had a spine and shot back at him with petty statistics :) Anyway I hope LC gets embarrassed into moderating his chat but I doubt this bad blood can ever resolve itself, so Godspeed.
Hey Jorbs, Long term subscriber here. I don’t typically comment but wanted to chime in to say that I very much enjoy all of your content. I loved your Spire side chat series when I was first getting into Spire and you have definitely changed and improved the way I approach the game. With all that being said I completely understand why you are unable to continue making content like that. And also, I’d like to say that some of my favorite videos of yours have been when you give an hour long lecture about statistics or whatever other topic you want to share about. You’re clearly very knowledgeable and I feel lucky that I’m able to pick your brain for free on the TH-cam.
Jorbs I've been watching your content for years and I had no idea this was happening. I'm so sorry, genuinely. This is also 100% against Twitch's TOS, and ultimately it should fall on them to stand against this type of BS. It makes me livid that they didn't do anything about it until this day, especially considering the size of yours and LC's channels
Looking at many of these comments is alarming. Who else in the STS community would allow their chat to talk about another streamer like that? Not one other streamer would allow it. Shame on LC's mods, the whole idea of moderating a chat exists for reasons like this, and the fact that they would let is go on is beyond unbelievable to me.
Ohhhh, so this is why the spireside chats and stuffles stopped~ have been wondering about that for a while cause I've really enjoyed those~ (sorry to only be hearing about this now, I try and stay away from drama, cause conflict makes me uncomfortable~) (also please don't feel bad for stopping making content for the sts community, given all this it's completely understandable and justified~) (also tytytyty so much for making such an amazing community that so many people, myself included, can feel safe, comfortable, and included in~)
Good for you mister Jorbs for keeping it cool and calmy explain it. Of course the likelihood of them actually trying to be better when argumenting is nill. But you came ahead and world need more people like you. Best luck.
The way Jorbs thried to separate himself from competition and how competitors tried forcefully include/compare themselves to everything... not cool from competitors. I love your content Jorbs! I wish I could send some donates but I can't afford that yet. Also it feels soo sad that you actively started to feel like you want to lose a run on SIlent, because you are close to an accidental winstreak. Like wtf, this amount of pressure from other to feel, that you don't deserve your own accomplishments. Aand today we learned, how Xecnar heard you didn't like him or something around those lines. I was so surprised when I've heard it on his stream.
Damn I feel like I've watched your streams and youtube vids for years and I had no idea this shit was happening. I've dealt with similar things in other game communities I've been invested in and it's pretty terrible since there is no real way to stop it from happening. Hope harassment ends in the future man
Same! I remember Jorbs mentioning maybe once or twice veiled references to other streamers shit talking, but never any names. The only times I can recall other STS streamers being mentioned was for joint content, like with Baalorlord etc.
I am happy to see that even through all the pain and suffering this has inflicted on you over the last 3 years, you still manages to brush it of and even laugh at the absurdity of the situation at times. you are a saint for managing to handle the situation as good, and clean as you do. it is inspiring, and over the years hearing you view and mentality on problems and the world, has helped me go though some of my toughest parts of life. It is whit a lot of pride can say i look up to you.
Just a side comment, not related to the main point of the video. About the comment that nobody in any sport cares about winstreaks. That's obviously not true. In chess, it's very common to talk about winstreaks (or, more precisely, to talk about unbeaten streaks, since draws exist and are quite common). For example, Magnus Carlsen (former world champion) holds the current longest unbeaten streak. Ding Liren, the current world champion, holds the next longest. Before him, Mikhail Tal (another former world champion) held the record. These facts are mentioned in each player's biography. Recently, Hikaru Nakamura (who is a top online blitz chess player), went on a 46-game unbeaten streak, and some people even accused him of cheating, claiming it is impossible. People do care about winstreaks. Some people don't, that's fine.
Data aside, I would probably guess that the person who is extremely careful about meticulously doing all the math, avoiding statistical bias, and not overstating their own skills would be better at strategy games.
Same here! Then reading his chat and they're all talking about how Jorbs is a bitter egotistical jerk bashing LC. Like. What. I have watched literally hundreds of Jorbs videos and seen a bunch of streams. Never heard of LC
I genuinely don't know, at this point, having watched this video, if LC viewers are worse at math than the average twitch chat, or just more vocal about it.
I used to stream some WoW Arena in university, back when twitch wasn't even a thing. I have reflected several times over the last few years how lucky I am, that streaming did not present itself as an attractive career option. I thought of a lot of reasons why I'd probably have been miserable had I actually pursued it, but I had not even considered shit like this... Sorry you have to live through this, I wish people didn't feel the need to be like that. Anyway, you succeeded in making me watch a full 2.5 hour long video at a point where I had originally planned on going to bed and I have to say I am thankful for the fact that you still endure all this and put out content. Also good job on that community you built!
Hey Jorbs, really sorry you are going through this. I started watching you 4(?) years ago, and I have not stopped since. At first I watched because I wanted to improve at sts, but it did not take long for me to just enjoy the good vibes, funny jokes and really calm videos/streams. You are genuinely a person I look up to. I really enjoy how you have cultivated this positive and chill space for people who love jorbs and sts to hang out. Wish you the best Jorbs, your content really does make a difference for me.
It's pure game theory on maximizing his return as a streamer. You're successful with a comparative size, so he targets you. He wants as many of your subs as possible. He siphons off the [clearly] conservative viewers and others that believe bullying is a gesture of strength and entertainment - it also creates a [toxic] sense of community. Let the underdeveloped go.
I don’t watch jorbs that much anymore (converted to Baalorlord) but seeing him being attacked by another streamer is despairing. StS is the last game I expected to have this kind of drama. Hope this ends well for you jorbs
I find it very weird that LC stopped playing a competitive game (Hearthstone) and started playing a non-competitive game (STS) only to be highly competitive while playing it. What I enjoy most about STS is it's non-competitive nature. The only part of the game which features a leaderboard is the Daily challenge and it's just for shits and giggles.
@@TomatoBisque In all fairness he was very good and consistent at Hearthstone. There is a video on TH-cam which explains why he quit and it's because the game became extremely difficult for competitive play when they added all the random card generation. I haven't watched him play STS cause I can't stand a 4+ h run but I bet he hates Dead Branch lol.
I played a lot of Hearthstone back when it came out and watched many Hearthstone streamers on Twitch. So before this I was already familiar with Lifecoach and his work. The most diplomatic thing I can add is that none of this is surprising.
I mean, I can only speak for myself, but I watch your YT videos and Twitch streams because I really like your vibe, demeanor, presence, attitude, etc. The fact that you're a Slay The Spire streamer is cool, but certainly not the main reason I like your content. I've never tried streaming or content creation, but it would seem to be really challenging to deal with this sort of thing in a mature, but assertive way. Personally, I think you're doing better than I ever could have. I really appreciate the community you've put so much effort into, and I really hope this sort of stuff isn't too discouraging for you.
This all sounds awful, sorry you had to go through that and are still experiencing it. I have been at a work place where I came in during off hours to avoid a colleague who was verbally abusive to myself and others, it’s an awful experience. When you were talking about how LC didn’t name you but implied he was talking about you, the first thing I had to think about was an experience you shared about how you felt awkward commenting when asked about a strategy gamer who you knew was abusing their partner. Idk and I don’t need to know if that was about him but it was the first thing that came to my mind.
Wow. Your Spireside Chats and Overexplained runs were instrumental in helping me understand the game, and I was so excited for more card breakdowns. I never understood why you stopped making them, because you seemed to enjoy them, and now I understand. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. I don't get why people can't just peacefully coexist, like you seem to want to do. Your stream is always a great place to be, and no one deserves harassment like this, ESPECIALLY about a damn computer game. It's pathetic. Wishing you peace from this someday.
I'm probably one of the most casual StS players of all time, but I just got to Ascension 16 on Ironclad, a lot of which I ascribe to listening to your videos, not just for a better understanding of the game and its mechanics (I'm a classic case of playing fights badly), but for keeping me coming back to the game time after time. I hope to still be listening to your videos sometime in the distant future (and probably the afterlife) as I continue my attempts to reach Ascension 20 (and then move on to the next character to start all over again...)
Long time viewer here. I just want to say a couple of things: - I'm amazed how you managed to protect your community from all of this toxicity so well most of the people here (me included) don't have any idea who this Lifecoach guy is (and even know I don't really care, I'm just mad you had to endure such a toxic community alone). - When I arrived on your channel, I subscribed because I loved how professionally you played a game since I like to see playthrough to learn tricks and tips mostly, but at a certain point I said to my self "you know what? I like this guy": I like your professionalism, yes, but your occasional and genuine goofyness, your dry humor, how you think too. I feel protected in your community, because I know that, even if I don't agree with you on X, I KNOW that, as far as I'm respectful and I don't just say things out of my ass, I won't get assaulted and/or mocked. So really, you are probably one of my favorite youtubers, but not for how good you are at this or that game, but because I really like you as a person. That's all. I probably won't comment ever again since I don't really like to write my opinions on the internet to people I don' really know (and because english is not my native language so everytime it takes me half an hour to write something), but this time I want to make you feel protected by your community, as you did for us.
You know, at first I wrote a “don’t worry Jorbs, I don’t even care about whoever this Lifecoach person is” comment. But other people here are right, it’s not ok that so many people are harassing you/ talking bs about you on other channels, regardless of the grade level of their bullying. I kind of just want to go to that twitch channel and question what those people feel Jorbs did to them to warrant the vitriol. However, I don’t want to stoke any fires or start any fights with people who seem to be arguing deliberately in bad faith. So I don’t really know what do here…
Just wanted to say that it's unfair that this streamer has decided to make you a punching bag. I personally hope this gets the STS community to push back against this guy and his toxic fanbase. It constantly boggles my mind that people like this can get so many people to follow them.
Never heard of life coach, i dont watch other STS streamers. I want you to know i just like you and im sorry you are being bullied and targetted. People are shit. Just know i love your content and will contine to sub to your channel. I genuinely hope it gets better for you. Edit: the further i get into this video im disgusted and feel terrible to even be in this community. Im so sorry this is happening. This validates my decision to never go on reddit or watch other streamers. i really feel bad for you here and dont know why people target you.
I got brain damage and after someone saying something mean I could feel like I would throw up for hours, even days. Sometimes it's really hard to experience even just quick mean messages or chats, so hearing jorbs/Stephen talk about thousands of people seeing messages talking negatively about him and many people coming to continue that in his channel sounds pretty rough. One thing I saw in your TH-cam comment here is that you feel bad plenty, on other people's behalf too. I see that as the beginnings of an intense and hopefully mesmerising journey for you. People are never going to all have healthy ways of bringing themselves up, maybe non of us, but don't be afraid to branch out a little, there are some wonderful souls to be found out there.
I think the first time i heard of Jorbs was when Hafu first played sts years ago now. I have watched since then, on and off, and have always enjoyed your content. I used to find the win streak videos very entertaining and fun. I just figured you became disinterested in them. Very sad to see the truth of it all. Goes to show how easy it is for this sort of the thing to get out of control. I'm sorry this has been happening for so long Jorbs. I always appreciate you and your content :)
I also found Jorbs through Hafu, and now I’ve watched way more Jorbs than Hafu. 😂 (Not dissing Hafu, still love her and enjoy her content. Just Jorbs has heavily been my jam.)
Been a long time fan of your long form chat content (eg spire side chats) and am really sad to learn this is why there are fewer of those now. Love your community and content Jorbs and hope you're able to keep finding joy in the things you do and doing what you enjoy.
I personally really appreciate the high-school AP statistic review since apparently it's been made necessary. That was one of my favorite classes back then. I'm just saddened that it's at-all required. I've only heard snippets of all this drama, but I find it incredibly irksome that someone priding themselves on running "good statistics" seems so intent on using bad statistics to egg on a flame war. Stay strong, Jorbs. I can only hope that someday there's proper recourse for this sort of juvenile bullying. It's not likely with the modern internet, but it's a world I'd rather live in.
Jorbs, for the record, I've been following you for years now (I don't watch everything, obviously, but enough that I'd say I'm a "fan" lol) and you've done such a good job of ignoring this nonsense that I had no idea this streamer even existed up until this video.
I honestly had 0 idea this was happening. I somewhat recently found out about some bits of information through Reddit comments, but I didn't understand what was going on. The only information I found was about LC being toxic on heartstone and him taking a long time for every single game. This is shocking to learn.
On lifecoach: He is a German streamer/player. Started out playing M:tG pretty successfully (in RL) until he was caught cheating and was banned for two or three years by the DCI. He then moved to playing poker (I think mostly online, but I'm just guessing on that) also pretty successfully and made quite some money. He then became a streamer. First he was known for playing Hearthstone, where he quickly created memes because he always (!) roped. Meaning that every turn (even the first one doing nothing) he took the maximum of time for his turn before he passed to his opponent. He then went on to play GWENT (I don't know why) as one of few 'big' streamers. Seems he is playing STS now... He is extremely competitive in everything, rash and dismissive, not a particularly agreeable personality. He attracts likehearted people to his channel... On the other hand he is very analytic and has other good qualities. I always liked that he told his chat/viewers not to donate because he had enough money for example. But to be honest I wasn't part of his community for long.
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I saw Jorbs at the shop yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and shouting “THE BOOT!” and kicking me in the shin.
He just wanted a card remove he couldn't afford.
you poor sod that must have dealt at least 5 damage
@@wattihrvolt-pn3pfimagine actually losing 5 hitpoints in real life
I bet he tried to buy the shop's flooring as well, even though it was clearly marked as not available for purchase.
"at the shop" is such funny phrasing
gonna stop watching at 7:30 and assume this is just a nice video of Jorbs and Lifecoach politely DMing a couple time and avoiding a beef
Oh that's such a better reality.
‘the good ending’
😂 you sweet sweet summer child
I'm going to stay in this reality, thanks for the suggestion!
"Jorbs gets helps from chat"
The chat:
DIG
DIG
CLAW CLAW CLAW
CLAW
this isn’t even unique to jorbs, all sts twitch chat is just this exact shit
That is us alright
Searing Blow! Searing Blow!
Look... Dig is obviously the best play here
That's cause we're the better chat
Lifecoach fans: jorbs is so egotistical and cruel for all the stuff he says about olifecoach
Jorbs fans in this video: who is this lifecoach guy, never heard of him before
Tbh by this point I've already heard a thing or two about "ropecoach" and his playstyle.
For real. 😂
I know him from seeing him in hearthstone years ago, didn't knew he streamed
Jorbs has an equal ego to LC, lets not kid ourselves. The reason Jorbs has lost his viewer-base is because he's passive aggressive to the extreme, even toward his own chat. It's not because he's being hated on by LC, or because the community on Reddit is censoring him.
I say this as someone who learned a lot from Jorbs but quickly switched when I found Baalorlord/ Xecnar, literally because of tone. Everything Jorbs says *sounds* condescending. He actively makes chat feel like idiots/ ignores them. I don't see why he still has viewers, tbh.
@@Litolicbro go outside wtf
Just so speak to Jorbs point about the negativity and hate being entirely one sided, I have watched hundreds of hours of jorbs streams and videos and I had never even head of lifecoach before this video. That to me says a lot.
Yeah I didn't know who he was before this video was posted.
I heard him be referenced, at least im pretty sure he was meant.
From Lifecoach streams i also havent heard of jorbs directly, pretty much referenced the same way.
"winstreaks are just a cool flex"
being good at slay the spire is just a cool flex. we're all just trying to have some fun.
My favorite flex is being able to beat the game at all with the Downfall mod using Pure Snecko because it's like a mix of all the characters you have.
"They don't know I'm nearing the Post-Jorbs 100% rotating and single character winstreak on STS" meme
[Disparate comments from a long-time watcher who came to the game after finding Jorbs videos --> got addicted with hundreds of hours of play --> finally quit the habit after an A20H kill with all characters.]
1. This is so juicy and fun as an observer. And, that's what's so toxic about it. I totally get the psychology of LC's viewers, and (similarly) eagerly watch Jorbs' videos / read his posts on this subject. It requires active moderation from both sides to prevent this dynamic, precisely because it is so compelling.
2. All the stats arguments Jorbs makes are foundational and basic, but do require one to have an understanding of the principles of statistics. Even smart people (e.g. LC) get basic stats concepts wrong, see the history of the Monty Hall problem.
3. From my perspective, the chat logs here underplay how toxic LC is or can be. The one time I watched an LC clip, he generalized his feelings about Jorbs into a super xenophobic rant about how Americans are stupid. He's streamed for thousands of hours, so of course this is cherry-picked, but then 'monkey runs' and 'donkey runs' really paint the picture if you think it through.
4. Jorbs - one of the reasons I gravitated to you is because you have (or I perceive you to have) a kind of reformed arrogance that I identify with. Some MTG guys are the same way. Like, as a younger guy / person, you achieved huge success in a competitive tournament setting, realized how that led to an over-inflated ego, try to tamp that down now, and yet you still feel that sense of achievement. Same here. And, when someone comes up and impugns my ability or accomplishments or whatever, I am not gonna back down. Nor should I. Importantly though, there is a cognitive dissonance there, and I can see how that would be super annoying to talk out live everyday.
5. I still watch every strat-talk type video about STS that you post. Not so much the runs anymore. I hear that it's annoying to engage in the community / spur discussion. But, the fact that it does spur discussion / debate is (obviously) evidence of its appeal. You have to make that tradeoff yourself, but yeah - I vote for more.
i watched jorbs since the xcom days and arrogant isnt something i would discribe him as. im autist though so i might not see that as others would.
"From my perspective, the chat logs here underplay how toxic LC is or can be" holy fucking shit what? It's so funny that he would make it about "Americans are stupid" when... jorbs isn't even American. Americans just caught in the crossfire 💀
@@wattihrvolt-pn3pf I can totally understand how some would see jorbs as arrogant sometimes, but I feel like that mostly stems from moments where he is being strict about his boundaries and chatter is annoyed that they can't do whatever they want and just have the streamer take it
I do find his ego very relatable. Thinking you're smarter than everyone around you is a relatable foible.
So this fellow :
- Barged into a community that had metrics in place
- Called everyone and the metrics that had been set trash, and using his online following to enforce that
- Bullied anyone who disagreed with him
- Tied the value of anyone to the metrics he set
- Moved those metrics around to stay on top because that mattered to him for some reason
Like, yikes man.
Strength to jorbs.
Literally anyone who calls themselves a life coach is full of themselves. It takes a special kind of person to say “I know how other people should live their lives”
He sounds like a narcissist.
I agree that it sounds like a narcissist (not that I am a psychologist). It reminds me of "the real quiz" moment in the British office when the boss's boss loses at a pub quiz and can't deal. m.th-cam.com/video/P-2BFjSMVsU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUYT2ZmaWNlIHVrIHF1aXogcHViIGJvb3Rz
There's also a weird undercurrent of culty victomhood coming from LC's channel. Like Jorbs is opressing them by being incredibly good at STS.
I wanna tag on to the coolheaded guy. A couple years ago I was in Jorbs’ stream watching an Ironclad run, and i randomly decided to type out that the first run that I ever won was an Ironclad run where I got unceasing top and took every anger I could find and basically went for a really jank infinite. I was joking about how bad it sounds now as an A20 player, but Jorbs took the time to read my chat, and said “Hey, it sounds like you found a strategy that won you an A0 run, and for the first steps that’s all you need!” And I just thought that was really kind of him. Most of my improvements came from meticulous study of Jorbs vods, I would pause every TH-cam video at every card choice and tell myself which card I would choose and why, and then I’d resume the video to see if Jorbs chose the same card and what his reason was. Eventually our answers got more and more similar, or if they were different I was able to more clearly articulate why I chose my card and whether I thought it was defensible or not. I have always thought of Jorbs as a kind, empathetic person, and it hurts my heart to see anyone subjected to treatment like this.
Coolheaded+
I think what pisses me off about the community response, after reading a lot of reddit comments, is the tone policing in the vein of "Oh, just ignore the drama. Take the high road jorbs. Why are you getting so upset and making such long posts whining, you're adding fuel to the fire!"
You're being harrassed and bullied by an entire community which is not only hurtful to anyone who has feelings but also has a real effect on your material conditions and your workplace conditions. "Not caring" is not an option for you.
Yes. When you're being bullied, real life or online, "not caring" is not an option. Bullying/mobbing is NOT others having negative or differing opinions about you, it's being the target of an on-going, pervasive, psychological abuse (and sometimes even physical violence in escalated rl situations).
He said in this video that other unnamed slay the spire streamers deal with the same thing as him. If they didn’t make huge Reddit posts or 2 hr videos about it then obviously it’s possible to take different approaches, jorbs is just choosing not to. That’s a perfectly fine choice, so you don’t even need to defend this part
@@csrjjsmp hey. Hey bud.
No one actually thinks you’re cool for this shit. It’s just annoying.
Jorbs is being incredibly even handed here. He’s pointing out a creator who is enabling bad behavior. He still complements LC for being good at the game. Being good doesn’t excuse being a bad member of the community. And the community explicitly wants beef- Jorbs is just the current target. What if it was a smaller streamer? Someone who didn’t have an active mod team? You think this vitriol would just go away?
@@Nana-ye6wp if it was a smaller streamer then perhaps their 2.5 hour drama video would only have a few dozen views
I just want to point out that all the "who is this lifecoach guy" comments on this video are a reflection of the efforts Jorbs makes to not allow toxic behavior on his stream/channel. I do know who Lifecoach is, but having never really spent time with his stream, most of the information in this video is new to me. Based on what I'm seeing from the Lifecoach chat logs, the fact that I was unaware of this drama is a monumental achievement on Jorbs' part. On the flip side, it's funny to think that if Lifecoach had made the same efforts with his community, the drama would have fizzled long ago.
This comment is amazing and shows just how easy it would have been 3 years ago, but I did experience it once, and it made me not want to ever go back to LC,
So it's the streamer's fault that the """community""" does dumb shit? You have to actively police what your community does/says everywhere at all times?
Reddit-tier argument.
@@GeneParmeseanPI Of course streamers set the tone for their respective communities. Even the most laissez-faire streamers ban people. Also, Lifecoach clearly actively participated in harassing Jorbs. He allowed the behavior in his chat AND participated himself. I don't see any issue with holding him accountable.
@@GeneParmeseanPI The streamer has plenty of opportunity to shut down stupidity through multiple avenues. Bans, moderation, getting rid of terms in chat, calling out what behaviour won't be tolerated, Lifecoach has done none of those things, Jorbs has done all of them.
This beef could be solved by Lifecoach, he chooses not to do it.
Man sucks to find out that this is why there are no more Spire side chats but I understand why you don't.
"What do you expect from a lib" aaaaand everything makes sense now.
Lmao ikr.
Bro my same thoughts exactly, lmao
I was going to say the same thing, thank you
Literally :')
Sad when people have to bring up politics. I don't agree with all Jorbs says or how he thinks, but I could definitely hang out with him.
I think the most telling moment, for me, was the line of text to the tune of: Now that the Jorbs drama is over we really kinda need someone new to beef with. This is characteristic of a number of communities I can think of, all of which I would not recommend allowing at your rally.
I wish you all the best, Sir Jorbs, I'm sorry your obvious skill at a video game has made you the target of a toxic community. Some people lift others up, some tear others down: please keep being a builder!
Yeah it's scary that they just like people beefing with.
It's interesting that I think that if you were like, actually bad at the game, someone just rubbing it in would still be rude? Elementary school bully behaviour.
Exactly, like I barely need to look at the stats, i honestly dont care if jorbs is technically the "BEST" or secretly bad at the game??? im enjoying the streams and the runs on youtube its so irrelevant to me everything else
In this sense, I kind of think it is sub-optimal to focus on the lying aspect of his behaviour rather than the rudeness of it. It is perhaps a little distracting from the more important point and, as is constantly shown, often difficult to quantify so can easily take up a lot of space in the conversation.
However I am ALSO petty and will point out that a good Heel is someone who's actually strong, and they win and you wish they wouldn't and that's narratively compelling. It's a real shame that instead of an interesting drama this is mostly just, awkward.
it's one of those things where it must hurt to be told you are bad and know you aren't. If it were me I'd have to publish the stats too. Even if it hurts my overall point about the stats being meaningless and that we should all just vibe
Imagine having the name "lifecoach" and being a cyber bully
This is shit on streamer vibe, couldn't we use less of that
A funny thought experiment is that I’ve been watching jorbs youtube and stream on and off for like 3 years and just now discovered who Lifecoach is. I wonder how mant people can say the opposite, makes you think about the purpose of each streamer…
Best part of this is that literally all sports are winstreak based - literally winning tournaments / winning playoffs is all about winning specific important games in a row vs raw win%. In fact having the best win% in regular season play (i.e. Seattle Mariners in MLB, Warriors in NBA) is the dictionary definition of "statistical curiosity" vs what actually matters which is winning championships
Most soccer leagues are win rate based, where there are no playoffs, it’s just total points after a season. Only exception is the MLS because we’re American and we like having a championship game
@@SubsonicLXXI The biggest tournament is of course the World Cup, which is not "American", and yet has the championship game.
As someone who went through plenty of bullying in middle school, this is kinda gut-wrenching and vile that he not only made it a point to continue after the first dm, but lets his chat take a turn.
LMAO a P of 0.00002 is like, genetic research, where your samples are duplicated millions of times. you don't usually SEE this p-value in the real world
I always wondered why you stopped caring about winstreaks at some point, this is just the saddest answer possible.
I got better at STS from being a part of your community and I had a great time while doing it. I worry that LC is incentivizing outrage culture and that whatever "joy" his fans are feeling from bringing others down isn't as gratifying as simply applauding successes and continuing to improve one's strategy in the game.
I also think you are right to address this problem head-on, it's pretty clear that harm is being caused here.
How else can we support your channel outside of subscribing, liking, and commenting on your videos?
give someone a hug and be kind to people.
@wmarrin1211 also, buy the book and give it a good review!
@@Jorbsdamn this is at 69 and I can't upvote it now.
@@Jorbs This is the response of a fucking legend, what a guy. I started tearing up when I read this, thank you for consistently being so sweet and inspiring to me, and others. I will 100% give someone a hug right now.
@@jimmyfrigginpage it is a very good book !
Bro the fact that LifeCoach entered the scene shit talking Jorbs and hasnt stopped is maddening. I kinda want to get back to streaming StS with my Too Many Mods Sneko Runs and stuff like this makes the space feel uninviting
Most slay the spire streams I follow are super chill and there is always an audience looking for more streamers. Those runs sound fun!
@@seanahan Yeah I'm sorting out what I want to do starting next year and that might be one of the things
20:28 “what real sport uses winstreaks?”
Like most of them? What a dumb comment from that guy
yeah, guess what single-elimination tournaments are based on
this video is like, has a lot of good analysis and statistics, but a lot of the opening was some white guy named "Stephen" reading out mean comments about Jorbs. didn't vibe with that. I skipped all that part
The Jorbs-est thing about this vid is that it's on Excel, lol
I love how no one can tell the difference between Excel and Google Sheets.
(Hint: this is Google Sheets.)
@@ZandarKoad any more, any spreadsheet is Excel... tell me I'm wrong :p LibreOffice Sheets? Excel. Google Sheets? Excel. Excel? I guess we can count that too...
@@ZandarKoad and I imagine his "powerpoints" are probably actually Google Slides. But even Jorbs calls them powerpoints
jorbs and kelly rowland, folks who love texting in Excel
deep cuts
My boo!
Except this is 1000% not Excel, it's Google Sheets.
Yes, I'm that guy. lol
Hi Jorbs longtime viewer. Just wanted to let you know I respect you a great deal for the community you’ve built and generally being a mature guy. Sorry you’ve been having to deal with this, you’ve got my sympathies.
Yeah this is an insane thing to deal with, I feel bad for him!
Its really hard to adress this kind of bullying, but I think you're doing a great job in your video reflecting it on a mature level!
Minor issue with how you presented his stats: It is true that the average rotating winrate for his suggested class-specific winrates works out to 80%, but you have to adjust to the fact that he didn't play them all at an even split. If he always started with Watcher after a loss then I suspect you would point it out, but he played 50% more Defect runs than Watcher and you didn't account for it. For what it's worth, adjusting to this would make his expected overall winrate over his sample 78.76%. Every time you say 80% or put it in a distribution calculator you should be using this number instead.
Don't have much to add to all the other stuff, I've known the guy is a jackass for a long time.
He did even look at the probability of 70% winrate. And it was super low too.
this is a good point, i should have done that!
Before I started watching Jorbs, I couldn't even dream about beating A10. Now, I take Pressure Points every time it's offered and Dig like a madman.
This is the same Lifecoach who was a Hearthstone pro, and quit the game based on a card reveal that "will ruin the game"... and turned out to be a meme card forever and ever?
Wait which card lol
@@JakeFish5058 Hunter Un'goro Quest
the comparison between his behavior/claims and what you showed at the end is… enlightening and disgusting. he made a claim presenting himself as significantly better than everyone else, then actually tested it and found himself significantly worse than he was claiming. somebody finding out that their loose understanding of their skill level is quite different from their actual one isn’t a problem to me at all. its good for people to check their accuracy of understanding, and there’s only value to be gained when you realize that the difference is much more significant than you would have thought. it’s when they decide to use that understanding to shit on others that all of a sudden a lot of that grace goes out the window. the moment someone tries to beat others down using something like this is the moment I start getting pretty damn critical of it. this is gross, and I’m glad you brought this shit to light like this
I had never thought about how all this stuff would've impacted you re: conventions and other public events, but hearing it it's so obvious and I'm sorry you have to deal with it 🫂The least I can do is at least let you know that I love watching your videos and find them entertaining and relaxing
We love you, Jorbs ♥
Insightful information, middling pettiness, and continuous reassurances/calls for peace and adult behavior and expectations. 10/10 drama video, goated presentation.
This truly sucks! You already know this but you've done a great job keeping this drama out of YOUR content, I've watched a ton of your videos and never knew this was happening. I create content myself and know how hard it can be to keep a large community of chatters under control. It's not just the moment to moment chatting but the overall atmosphere you have to build over a long time. So impressive work! I appreciate not just your card clicking videos but especially your insights as a human being. Thank you for all that! Have a great day!
Don't think the word "drama" is very fitting btw but I don't know what term is better to use here.
This is such a strange situation. Thanks for addressing it, I wasn't very aware of the situation before, but showing the raw data and everything pretty clearly shows the truth. I don't watch this channel expecting perfect gameplay anyway, it's enjoyable to watch and it's better than I can do, that's all I need. It's baffling to me why anyone would make up statistics about this though when the proof is right there.
"This probably won't last 2 hours"
i see this will be a great video
just learned of the substance of this video not sure great was the best word
I see lifecoach has progressed from being insufferable on hearthstone to being insufferable on spire, some things never change.
Jorbs, you're not only great at the game but also as a person and that's why we gravitated towards your content. Keep doing your own thing. When every other player needs to compare themselves to you, despite you never doing that, it speaks volumes about how the community sees you.
It sucks being uncomfortable to do the things you enjoy doing, spire chats and the overexplained runs are my favorite videos on this entire platform.
Much love.
Man a 2 hour post about how jawworm is actually the hardest enemy in the game what a great video Holy moly
Jorbs/Mr Flamell. Ive watched your stream/content since almost the beginning of you playing STS, and you are undoubtedly the most level headed, insighful, funny, calming and just all round amazing human being who plays the game. Your way of calmly, cooly, critically analysing the games you play, and the world and communicating it in such clear language is what I strive for. What I mean is I strive to have the cognitive integrity and balance and (in a good way) almost robotic temperament that youve built for yourself and every stream/video inspires in me a new way to think about everything.
When I was growing up a ND kid, LT Cmdr Data was my idol. And at some point you replaced him. Hope you take that as the compliment its meant to be.
Im sorry all this drama has happened to you. If anyone didnt deserve that hotheaded alpha wannabes drama, its you. Hope you keep killing it like you always do. POJCLAWPOJ
I came for the IQ.
I stayed for the EQ.
Hey, just wanted to say that you've perfectly communicated basically everything that I also love about Jorbs and his stream. Very skilled at STS and strategy games, but also just an amazing human being.
exactly. @@mee4062
@@beanotI'd like to agree as well. I started to watch jorbs since I've been relatively young and I'm barely 18 even now, still but a wee lad. But I aspire to be like jorbs, or at least take the best parts of him and sort of incorporate them to me. In general he's an inspiration of a human being and I hope to treat people with the compassion and empathy he does every day.
As a chronic youtube lurker who loves tuning into both your runs and explainers it’s really unfortunate to hear that there’s been this ongoing problem with this bully. Definitely not okay and I’m really sorry you’ve been having to deal with that. Really appreciate all you do jorbs. Thank you and hang in there.
Like a wise man said about Souls PvP - "they don't play this shit at Evo"
I've never heard of this LifeCoach fellow before and ive been watching jorbs for like....4 years(maybe longer). I am SO OUT OF THE LOOP
Maybe that's a good thing!
@@treycko1377 1:16:30 in and it probably is!
Back when Hearhtstone was relatively new Lifecoach's fans were also extraordinarily insufferable there There's like a decade of his community just being toxic towards others who were just minding their own business.
Thats just how things roll being a Jorbs viewer, i've watched him every day I can for the past 2ish years and had only just heard him mention lifecoach for the first time recently.
I remember an excellent video of LifeCoach encountering a fatal error after an opponent played Nozdormu. He had a reputation for being a meticulous (time consuming) player.
oh my god i know this isn't the point and i know this isn't the appropriate takeaway but he went fifteen and SIXTEEN on silent?? after claiming his wr on her was 75%??? that is so incredibly fucking funny holy shit
Ikr he bodied tf outta himself
@@ethandavis7310 I think that silent is different enough to play that her win-rate in a rotating format (especially for someone used to grinding one character over and over) would be the one that drops most. Let's not be the type of people we dislike when they're targeting jorbs!
@@StViers I'm not targeting him though, he opened himself up to criticism when he made claims he failed to back up. Jorbs gets targeted and clowned for claims he never made.
I’m a mathematician at heart, so when I first heard the discussion of streak vs win rate, my gut felt that win rate was a better metric because it includes more of the data. That being said, hearing you talk about it for 2 minutes once made it perfectly clear why it leads to a less enjoyable play experience.
Yeah it sucks that most viewers aren't statistically literate, so LC's take on large sample winrate really sticks even though jorbs et al have shown fine alternatives.
I very much agree with this comment. Overall, if the conversation / comments were just left at this then there really would be no “drama”. Let people who want to play for streaks do so, and win rate maxers do the same.
I feel like the problem comes in when LC chooses to insist that he is the best, as if Jorbs is his rival. Hell, even a lot of what LC has done would be fine in the right context where there was actually a two-sided competition. However LC seems to foster a community that despises Jorbs for no good reason, while Jorbs has just asked to be left alone. I’m not a big Jorbs or LC fan, and feel like I can see some ego from both (admittedly more from LC), but LC is definitely in the wrong for fostering a community that seems to hate Jorbs for no good reason.
@@ethandavis7310 I mean... If LC's goal was large sample, why wouldn't he include all of his games?
@@tremkl right. He can't proclaim the benefits of large sample while also only including smaller samples that (weakly) support his claims about how good he is
Also large sample sorta removes the useful distinction between win chance and win rate. If you care about how good others perceive you at sts and sample play is the only way to get metrics then you're forced to try your absolute hardest on every run which isn't fun for most people
Strange how LC's channel was known for his mods back in 2014 Hearthstone era, banning people left and right for no reason.
Now it has evolved into a cesspool of people shit talking and bullying other streamers unmoderated? What a time to be alive!
I think I figured out the problem here folks: Jorbs makes it LOOK too easy to win this much, this fast, this consistently. He should like... sweat more or something. Tense up really hard while playing cards occasionally, so that the rest of us can feel a commensurate level of effort while watching.
Maybe, just maybe, crowd-sourcing StS turns isn't actually improving outcomes. (Can't really pin the losses or wins on LC personally, given his collaborative play style.)
LC isn't even playing the in the same neighborhood, country, continent, planet, universe, dimension as Jorbs. And it shows. P=0.00002 for community group play with 3x the time taken to implement the crowd-sourced plays.
One thing I can say about Jorbs: He is an EXCELlent content creator!
(Sorry, I couldn't find a play on words using 'Google Sheets' which is what he's actually using in this video.)
Streamers are responsible for their community. "Streamers are role models and leaders of the communities they create or foster around them. Streamers are expected to use channel moderators and the tools we provide, such as AutoMod , chat timeouts and bans, to mitigate hateful conduct in their channel."
If they have fostered a community that engages in bullying of other streamers of same game for any reason there should be some corrective action by the platform.
Who knew discourse around a single player card game could be so toxic..
the majority of tournament formats are literally about achieving a win streak, whether that's in combat sports, tennis, fighting games, golf, anything that takes the priority away from a long season and onto a condensed period of competition is literally a sport using a win streak as a metric of success
Yeah I was gonna post that since people play series specifically so they don't have to play out every single game. When playing a best of 7 in a finals, they stop after one team goes 4-0 when it's people competing against each other. Spire is obviously different because 1 person winning their run does not cause the other person to lose their run, but the comment about sports was just really dumb.
This is the only way I would ever want a Jorbs drama video to go. A very large sample size in a spreadsheet that statistically shows the other person is violating twitch TOS for no reason other than to be mean.
That said I would much rather have never gotten a Jorbs drama video because no one would be harassing him.
It’s really wierd to stand on the shoulders of others and then take a shit…
I don’t actively watch Twitch, and have never watched Life Coach outside of really old Hearthstone content back when I played Hearthstone almost 10 years ago, but this makes me sad to see and hear. As far as I can tell, Jorbs really tries to stay positive and encourage his community to be positive. It’s also so sad to see that so much of the negativity shown here are chatters just trying to create drama and bully people. I wish a video like this wasn’t necessary.
Having thought about this more, this seems to be a good microchosm of a lot of facts about streaming a game like Slay the Spire that can lead to toxic situations. People watch streams for many reasons, personality and entertainment value are certainly big ones, but a lot of people - and I catch myself doing this too - want to see the best players excelling. You have to be very entertaining to succeed with mediocre skills. Projecting yourself as the best player and who always plays optimally like LifeCoach does is not primarily an ego issue like people tend to say - not that it isn't also that - but one of incentive and marketing. So many of his viewers seem to find it very important that they're watching the best streamer with the most optimal plays, which is why he constantly insists that he is exactly that. And I don't see him changing that marketing strategy any time soon, as long as it is what his audience expects and tunes in for
Yes that's why any other competent streamer is a threat that must be torn down
Hey Jorbs and Jorbs viewers. Just wanted to reach out and say, thank you(jorbs) for being a voice of reason, and levelheadedness is a situation which could be extremely difficult for you. I've never commented on basically any video before, but I felt after watching this you might appreciate some support even if its in the form of a youtube viewer who uses your videos to sleep. Thank you for being you.
From your friendly neighbourhood lurker/youtube viewer.
Jorbs: takes 2 hours going over statistical analysis that can be condensed to maybe 30 minutes
LifeCoach: takes 6 hours to do a Slay the Spire run that can be done in 45 minutes
LifeCoach has always been "Deliberate" (slow) at strategy games when he was playing Hearth Stone he would try to take 2 minute turns when you were at most given 90 seconds. one of the most memed clips of him was in a tournament it was turn 2 he didn't even have a 2 mana card, and it still took him 45 seconds to click his hero power which had little to no downside at that point in the match. while his opponent on cam was hysterical because "It is turn 2 how hard can turn 2 be you either have a card and play it for tempo or you click the hero power and pass"
1:21:39 there's nothing more annoying than someone who hasn't studied statistics talking about statistics. I've seen all your stats related videos and they're all solid!
Disagree. It's still slightly less annoying than actually studying statistics :')
@@JakeFish5058I know you’re joking, but as someone doing their thesis right now in probability and statistics, it’s so frustrating to have people brazenly overestimate their competences in understanding and interpreting statistics.
Like, this shit is hard. Even something as deceptively simple as win rates, which Jorbs already did a fantastic video on.
@@JakeFish5058 The subject is annoying to study, or statisticians are annoying?
@@ethandavis7310 yes
the only truly enjoyable part of this video for me is that Jorbs is speaking for 2 hours; he had such a nice voice and way of speaking.
I hope your next video is on something that brings you joy. thank you for your content.
I'm glad you have chosen to express yourself in a way that you feel comfortable doing so, that allows people to respond to, and whilst continuing to demonstrate your values (openness to others and their perspective, respect, kindness, and trying to be the best you that you can be), I'm just sorry that you have had to do this.
You remain a shining light in the community for this and everything else.
I liked that part where you had a spine and shot back at him with petty statistics :)
Anyway I hope LC gets embarrassed into moderating his chat but I doubt this bad blood can ever resolve itself, so Godspeed.
Hey Jorbs,
Long term subscriber here. I don’t typically comment but wanted to chime in to say that I very much enjoy all of your content. I loved your Spire side chat series when I was first getting into Spire and you have definitely changed and improved the way I approach the game. With all that being said I completely understand why you are unable to continue making content like that.
And also, I’d like to say that some of my favorite videos of yours have been when you give an hour long lecture about statistics or whatever other topic you want to share about. You’re clearly very knowledgeable and I feel lucky that I’m able to pick your brain for free on the TH-cam.
Jorbs I've been watching your content for years and I had no idea this was happening. I'm so sorry, genuinely. This is also 100% against Twitch's TOS, and ultimately it should fall on them to stand against this type of BS. It makes me livid that they didn't do anything about it until this day, especially considering the size of yours and LC's channels
Looking at many of these comments is alarming. Who else in the STS community would allow their chat to talk about another streamer like that? Not one other streamer would allow it. Shame on LC's mods, the whole idea of moderating a chat exists for reasons like this, and the fact that they would let is go on is beyond unbelievable to me.
Ohhhh, so this is why the spireside chats and stuffles stopped~ have been wondering about that for a while cause I've really enjoyed those~ (sorry to only be hearing about this now, I try and stay away from drama, cause conflict makes me uncomfortable~) (also please don't feel bad for stopping making content for the sts community, given all this it's completely understandable and justified~) (also tytytyty so much for making such an amazing community that so many people, myself included, can feel safe, comfortable, and included in~)
Good for you mister Jorbs for keeping it cool and calmy explain it. Of course the likelihood of them actually trying to be better when argumenting is nill. But you came ahead and world need more people like you. Best luck.
The way Jorbs thried to separate himself from competition and how competitors tried forcefully include/compare themselves to everything... not cool from competitors.
I love your content Jorbs! I wish I could send some donates but I can't afford that yet.
Also it feels soo sad that you actively started to feel like you want to lose a run on SIlent, because you are close to an accidental winstreak. Like wtf, this amount of pressure from other to feel, that you don't deserve your own accomplishments.
Aand today we learned, how Xecnar heard you didn't like him or something around those lines. I was so surprised when I've heard it on his stream.
Damn I feel like I've watched your streams and youtube vids for years and I had no idea this shit was happening.
I've dealt with similar things in other game communities I've been invested in and it's pretty terrible since there is no real way to stop it from happening.
Hope harassment ends in the future man
Same! I remember Jorbs mentioning maybe once or twice veiled references to other streamers shit talking, but never any names. The only times I can recall other STS streamers being mentioned was for joint content, like with Baalorlord etc.
I am happy to see that even through all the pain and suffering this has inflicted on you over the last 3 years, you still manages to brush it of and even laugh at the absurdity of the situation at times. you are a saint for managing to handle the situation as good, and clean as you do. it is inspiring, and over the years hearing you view and mentality on problems and the world, has helped me go though some of my toughest parts of life. It is whit a lot of pride can say i look up to you.
Just a side comment, not related to the main point of the video.
About the comment that nobody in any sport cares about winstreaks. That's obviously not true.
In chess, it's very common to talk about winstreaks (or, more precisely, to talk about unbeaten streaks, since draws exist and are quite common).
For example, Magnus Carlsen (former world champion) holds the current longest unbeaten streak. Ding Liren, the current world champion, holds the next longest. Before him, Mikhail Tal (another former world champion) held the record. These facts are mentioned in each player's biography.
Recently, Hikaru Nakamura (who is a top online blitz chess player), went on a 46-game unbeaten streak, and some people even accused him of cheating, claiming it is impossible.
People do care about winstreaks. Some people don't, that's fine.
Data aside, I would probably guess that the person who is extremely careful about meticulously doing all the math, avoiding statistical bias, and not overstating their own skills would be better at strategy games.
Having watched you for years, I haven’t heard you bring this guy up like, ever. This is literally the first I’m hearing about it lmao.
Same here! Then reading his chat and they're all talking about how Jorbs is a bitter egotistical jerk bashing LC. Like. What. I have watched literally hundreds of Jorbs videos and seen a bunch of streams. Never heard of LC
There's a comment "In what real sport is win streaks a real metric" and like, all of them. From F1 to American football to baseball.
I genuinely don't know, at this point, having watched this video, if LC viewers are worse at math than the average twitch chat, or just more vocal about it.
I used to stream some WoW Arena in university, back when twitch wasn't even a thing. I have reflected several times over the last few years how lucky I am, that streaming did not present itself as an attractive career option. I thought of a lot of reasons why I'd probably have been miserable had I actually pursued it, but I had not even considered shit like this... Sorry you have to live through this, I wish people didn't feel the need to be like that.
Anyway, you succeeded in making me watch a full 2.5 hour long video at a point where I had originally planned on going to bed and I have to say I am thankful for the fact that you still endure all this and put out content. Also good job on that community you built!
Hey Jorbs, really sorry you are going through this. I started watching you 4(?) years ago, and I have not stopped since. At first I watched because I wanted to improve at sts, but it did not take long for me to just enjoy the good vibes, funny jokes and really calm videos/streams. You are genuinely a person I look up to. I really enjoy how you have cultivated this positive and chill space for people who love jorbs and sts to hang out. Wish you the best Jorbs, your content really does make a difference for me.
It's pure game theory on maximizing his return as a streamer. You're successful with a comparative size, so he targets you. He wants as many of your subs as possible. He siphons off the [clearly] conservative viewers and others that believe bullying is a gesture of strength and entertainment - it also creates a [toxic] sense of community. Let the underdeveloped go.
I don’t watch jorbs that much anymore (converted to Baalorlord) but seeing him being attacked by another streamer is despairing. StS is the last game I expected to have this kind of drama. Hope this ends well for you jorbs
Where there are humans, there is drama. It doesn’t matter when, where, or how.
I find it very weird that LC stopped playing a competitive game (Hearthstone) and started playing a non-competitive game (STS) only to be highly competitive while playing it. What I enjoy most about STS is it's non-competitive nature. The only part of the game which features a leaderboard is the Daily challenge and it's just for shits and giggles.
He quit a game where he wasn't good enough to be the best to play a game where he could make up the rules and claim to be the best.
@@TomatoBisque In all fairness he was very good and consistent at Hearthstone. There is a video on TH-cam which explains why he quit and it's because the game became extremely difficult for competitive play when they added all the random card generation. I haven't watched him play STS cause I can't stand a 4+ h run but I bet he hates Dead Branch lol.
I played a lot of Hearthstone back when it came out and watched many Hearthstone streamers on Twitch. So before this I was already familiar with Lifecoach and his work. The most diplomatic thing I can add is that none of this is surprising.
Appreciate you being an example of confident and collected self-advocacy in the face of obvious bad faith.
I mean, I can only speak for myself, but I watch your YT videos and Twitch streams because I really like your vibe, demeanor, presence, attitude, etc. The fact that you're a Slay The Spire streamer is cool, but certainly not the main reason I like your content.
I've never tried streaming or content creation, but it would seem to be really challenging to deal with this sort of thing in a mature, but assertive way. Personally, I think you're doing better than I ever could have.
I really appreciate the community you've put so much effort into, and I really hope this sort of stuff isn't too discouraging for you.
This all sounds awful, sorry you had to go through that and are still experiencing it.
I have been at a work place where I came in during off hours to avoid a colleague who was verbally abusive to myself and others, it’s an awful experience.
When you were talking about how LC didn’t name you but implied he was talking about you, the first thing I had to think about was an experience you shared about how you felt awkward commenting when asked about a strategy gamer who you knew was abusing their partner. Idk and I don’t need to know if that was about him but it was the first thing that came to my mind.
Wow. Your Spireside Chats and Overexplained runs were instrumental in helping me understand the game, and I was so excited for more card breakdowns. I never understood why you stopped making them, because you seemed to enjoy them, and now I understand. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. I don't get why people can't just peacefully coexist, like you seem to want to do. Your stream is always a great place to be, and no one deserves harassment like this, ESPECIALLY about a damn computer game. It's pathetic. Wishing you peace from this someday.
I'm probably one of the most casual StS players of all time, but I just got to Ascension 16 on Ironclad, a lot of which I ascribe to listening to your videos, not just for a better understanding of the game and its mechanics (I'm a classic case of playing fights badly), but for keeping me coming back to the game time after time. I hope to still be listening to your videos sometime in the distant future (and probably the afterlife) as I continue my attempts to reach Ascension 20 (and then move on to the next character to start all over again...)
In 5 seconds I'm already hooked to watch a 2,5 hours video, bravo.
Long time viewer here. I just want to say a couple of things:
- I'm amazed how you managed to protect your community from all of this toxicity so well most of the people here (me included) don't have any idea who this Lifecoach guy is (and even know I don't really care, I'm just mad you had to endure such a toxic community alone).
- When I arrived on your channel, I subscribed because I loved how professionally you played a game since I like to see playthrough to learn tricks and tips mostly, but at a certain point I said to my self "you know what? I like this guy": I like your professionalism, yes, but your occasional and genuine goofyness, your dry humor, how you think too. I feel protected in your community, because I know that, even if I don't agree with you on X, I KNOW that, as far as I'm respectful and I don't just say things out of my ass, I won't get assaulted and/or mocked. So really, you are probably one of my favorite youtubers, but not for how good you are at this or that game, but because I really like you as a person.
That's all. I probably won't comment ever again since I don't really like to write my opinions on the internet to people I don' really know (and because english is not my native language so everytime it takes me half an hour to write something), but this time I want to make you feel protected by your community, as you did for us.
You know, at first I wrote a “don’t worry Jorbs, I don’t even care about whoever this Lifecoach person is” comment. But other people here are right, it’s not ok that so many people are harassing you/ talking bs about you on other channels, regardless of the grade level of their bullying.
I kind of just want to go to that twitch channel and question what those people feel Jorbs did to them to warrant the vitriol. However, I don’t want to stoke any fires or start any fights with people who seem to be arguing deliberately in bad faith. So I don’t really know what do here…
Just wanted to say that it's unfair that this streamer has decided to make you a punching bag. I personally hope this gets the STS community to push back against this guy and his toxic fanbase. It constantly boggles my mind that people like this can get so many people to follow them.
Never heard of life coach, i dont watch other STS streamers. I want you to know i just like you and im sorry you are being bullied and targetted. People are shit. Just know i love your content and will contine to sub to your channel. I genuinely hope it gets better for you.
Edit: the further i get into this video im disgusted and feel terrible to even be in this community. Im so sorry this is happening. This validates my decision to never go on reddit or watch other streamers. i really feel bad for you here and dont know why people target you.
I got brain damage and after someone saying something mean I could feel like I would throw up for hours, even days.
Sometimes it's really hard to experience even just quick mean messages or chats, so hearing jorbs/Stephen talk about thousands of people seeing messages talking negatively about him and many people coming to continue that in his channel sounds pretty rough.
One thing I saw in your TH-cam comment here is that you feel bad plenty, on other people's behalf too. I see that as the beginnings of an intense and hopefully mesmerising journey for you.
People are never going to all have healthy ways of bringing themselves up, maybe non of us, but don't be afraid to branch out a little, there are some wonderful souls to be found out there.
Nobody is bullying him. He's being ignored.
@@LitolicIs he? Considering this has been happening to him for years,at least that’s what he said.
@Litolic you feel the need to comment how many times on this video?
@@Litolic Considering how LCs chat has been obsessed with him over the last 3 years and this is all because they wont stop. i would beg to differ
I think the first time i heard of Jorbs was when Hafu first played sts years ago now. I have watched since then, on and off, and have always enjoyed your content. I used to find the win streak videos very entertaining and fun. I just figured you became disinterested in them. Very sad to see the truth of it all. Goes to show how easy it is for this sort of the thing to get out of control. I'm sorry this has been happening for so long Jorbs. I always appreciate you and your content :)
I also found Jorbs through Hafu, and now I’ve watched way more Jorbs than Hafu. 😂
(Not dissing Hafu, still love her and enjoy her content. Just Jorbs has heavily been my jam.)
Ha, I found Hafu through Jorbs during their Among Us days back in 2020! Small Twitch world.
Been a long time fan of your long form chat content (eg spire side chats) and am really sad to learn this is why there are fewer of those now. Love your community and content Jorbs and hope you're able to keep finding joy in the things you do and doing what you enjoy.
I personally really appreciate the high-school AP statistic review since apparently it's been made necessary. That was one of my favorite classes back then. I'm just saddened that it's at-all required. I've only heard snippets of all this drama, but I find it incredibly irksome that someone priding themselves on running "good statistics" seems so intent on using bad statistics to egg on a flame war.
Stay strong, Jorbs. I can only hope that someday there's proper recourse for this sort of juvenile bullying. It's not likely with the modern internet, but it's a world I'd rather live in.
Proud to be a part of Jorb’s community. Great streamer, great people!
Jorbs, for the record, I've been following you for years now (I don't watch everything, obviously, but enough that I'd say I'm a "fan" lol) and you've done such a good job of ignoring this nonsense that I had no idea this streamer even existed up until this video.
I honestly had 0 idea this was happening. I somewhat recently found out about some bits of information through Reddit comments, but I didn't understand what was going on.
The only information I found was about LC being toxic on heartstone and him taking a long time for every single game. This is shocking to learn.
Ugh, holy crap, so sorry that this is still dragging on. One of the worst aspects of the internet is how it encourages this kind of bullying.
Sts is one of my favorite games of all time. You and baalor make it fun to watch!
On lifecoach:
He is a German streamer/player. Started out playing M:tG pretty successfully (in RL) until he was caught cheating and was banned for two or three years by the DCI. He then moved to playing poker (I think mostly online, but I'm just guessing on that) also pretty successfully and made quite some money. He then became a streamer.
First he was known for playing Hearthstone, where he quickly created memes because he always (!) roped. Meaning that every turn (even the first one doing nothing) he took the maximum of time for his turn before he passed to his opponent. He then went on to play GWENT (I don't know why) as one of few 'big' streamers. Seems he is playing STS now...
He is extremely competitive in everything, rash and dismissive, not a particularly agreeable personality. He attracts likehearted people to his channel...
On the other hand he is very analytic and has other good qualities. I always liked that he told his chat/viewers not to donate because he had enough money for example. But to be honest I wasn't part of his community for long.