Technology is Stealing Childhood - Sophie Windsor | Maiden Mother Matriarch 47
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2024
- My guest today is Sophie Windsor (née Winkleman), British actress, comedian, and star of the cult British TV classic 'Peep Show.' We spoke about Sophie's campaign to get screens out of schools, and for greater regulation of children's access to smartphones, and particularly online porn. In the extended version of the episode we also spoke about the effect that #MeToo has had on the acting industry, the awkwardness of working with intimacy coordinators, and why it's a bad thing that sex scenes in film and TV have become so much more explicit. To listen to the extended version go to louiseperry.substack.com
03:22 Banning smartphones
12:40 Tech in schools
22:02 Teaching children to be digitally literate
25:45 Katharine Birbalsingh
29:32 Regulating screen time
37:54 Porn & Sexual bullying on smartphones
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I homeschooled my kids that are now grown. I used Charlotte Mason through 5th grade with them. I read through all of her original books, which was quite a read for me at the time. It was a lovely way to educate. ❤
I love the myth about Scandinavia being "ahead of everyone else".
That's a big fat lie.
The reason Scandinavia is ahead, is because they try new stuff first. That means the tech-disaster has already destroyed people in Scandinavia before everyone else. Denmark is the most digitalized society when it comes to public health systems and services, which is quite effective, but also very flawed and difficult for especially old people to navigate.
The size of the countries are also a big factor in terms of how much damage we have taken, and the extreme uses of tech. But Scandinavia is just "ahead" in terms of destroying themselves, and the rest of the the modern world is following swiftly! We also have some resistance now and the danish government are looking into the disaster in schools.
Scandinavians also have a tendency to be socially avoidant, so that is part of the problem... maybe every extrovert in the gene pool left in the Viking age?
I'm in my mid 30s, and one of the things I've noticed about colleagues under the age of 30 is that so many are incapable of focusing or listening, unless they are the one doing the talking. That's all they can manage - project and talk AT you....but as soon as it's your turn, they switch off. They last up to 5 mins before their eyes dart down to their phone, with the occasional swipe of the finger to refresh their screen. Shortly after the usually totally break eye contact, and just start scrolling right in front of you.
These are not leisurely conversations on a sofa where two people are exchanging small talk, so I find it incredibly rude. There are times where I've just stopped talking and let there be silence. They get the message pretty quickly but often can't resist the impulse to check their screen even after that.
It occurred to me these people grew up in social groups where this is entirely normalised. Whole groups of children sitting at lunch, just scrolling their phones. I think it's sad that they may rarely have had the experience of someone closely listening to them, even if they are talking about something heartfelt or important, so they are unused to providing this for others. They may even have had to compete for their parents undivided attention in the same manner.
I'm Australian and I live across the road from a K-10 school. I never see kids on phones at lunch or after school. They do use tablets and laptops in the classroom sometimes but the government controlled school internet controls what they can search.
Thank you for sharing this! I felt like I was the only one observing these trends in anyone a decade younger than me (in their early to late 20s).
I am currently weaning myself off of social media and scrolling to prepare for motherhood. I'd like to avoid having my kids use smartphones or spend too much time on the internet. Hoping I can hold out with getting them just a kindle for as long as possible and instill a love of reading. One way my husband and I are cutting down our own screen time in preparation is to downgrade to having a shared "family iPhone" for use of GPS, banking apps, international calls, etc. and then just having flip phones for our personal use.
Such a brilliant idea! I did not go as far as to have a common phone but we rolled back on using the iPad for kids and its been about a year now and we haven't gone back to them. Its about limited screen time and more interaction through play/independent play and outdoors as much as possible. Yes it is a LOT of work for us but once you get into the mode of planning everything ahead it will fall into a routine. The challenge is succumbing to the urge when patience runs out but it can be countered with routine-like norms instilled into day-2-day activities. Good luck and Happy motherhood!
Great idea! I would even say better to go back to paperback books rather than a kindle :)
I am so grateful for beings like you questioning the aggressive pace of tech and the impact it’s already had on older kids with their widespread use and reliance on it by now! Yes we need to control their usage sooner and set boundaries. TikTok is banned in some countries. We need to lobby specific platforms to begin with.
Tiktok capcut slushy phub etc are banned here in my country too
Brilliant show!
It was the worst decision I've ever made to get our son a smart phone for high-school. We lost him for a few years there , but he's now better at controlling his usage in collaboration with us.
Luckily we've never let our children have tablets, and I insist that the primary school give paper based homework to our youngest two.
Thank you for sharing. Mine are in early primary school years and they recently introduced tablets to the older classes in primary which got me worried. Although they reassure parents that the time on tablets will be monitored in school, it is the time taken away from the children to do more engaging personable activities!
When they were talking about the British attitude to children it reminded me of a sign I'd seen on holiday in England. The sign was on a shop. It said children in strollers are not allowed but dogs are welcome. Which is the complete opposite of what would be accepted in my country.
I absolutely echo Sophie’s endorsement of Kate Birbalsingh and would encourage people to book a visit to Michaela. Regarding tech in schools, I’d recommend Daisy Cristadolou’s “Teachers versus Tech”
Love Charlotte Mason! Have the full set of her books and visited the Charlotte Mason library in Ambleside. Great to see her resurfacing for a new generation.
Really enjoyed this episode. Would recommend Robert Peal as a future guest who's book Progressively Worse is the best account i've read of progressive teaching methods in schools having detrimental effects on kids learning.
I will never forget, the year I first had a boyfriend, it was 2000 and I was 13, was the year that AOL instant messenger came out. I am only now really grieving for the intimacy that was unavailable to those my age and younger who have only been able to experience relationships in such a blunted way since that time. There is still time to turn this ship around, but the process is painful and lonely. Having voices like this is making it a little easier. I hope i am able to provide a life more beautiful for my children. Thank you both. ❤
I came on a little defensive but Sophie is so delightful that I completely understood her points of view. Thank you for this discussion. Your podcast, Louise, is one of my favourites, it’s very useful to listen to as a woman and mum.
Thank you, that was a great conversation.
I've watched the entire Peep Show series about 6 times. Deliciously dark humour.
I am so much in agreement with everything said here. Thank you for this interview.
Louise, I'm so glad wonderful women like you are still fighting the good fight. This is such an important topic.
A great interview and a very intelligent guest!
My experience of young people starting work at my company is that some expect a huge amount of support, avoid any work outside a small comfort zone, and have little ability to work something out for themselves or come up with an idea. I’ve worked with one person who was unable to put their phone down and was astonished at the idea of not messaging their Mum for four hours. I dread to think what things will be like over the next few years with the current cohort of teenagers, who seem so impoverished in terms of real social interaction and resilience.
I have notice young people in service industries are so clueless on how to interact with customers. I do believe it's from being on the phone and missing out on practicing how to interact in real life. It's very strange to behold and sad too. I love this woman. Thank you for saying it how it is.
Clifford Stoll, an early participant in DARPA NET (the precursor of the INTERNET), wrote a book in the 90s, Silicon Snake Oil, about how he thought technology would be detrimental to schools😢
My wife and I send our kids to a Waldorf/Steiner school to avoid the brain harm and drug like screen addiction that so many children have. The schools vary widely so I won't endorse every single one, but we love the one in our area.
Great episode! I'm even thinking of homeschooling because of the so much tech in the schools.
My cat got lost and facebook was how he was found and reconnected with us. That is the only upside I can think of.
Always a relief to hear from erudite people on this subject when the rest of the world seems so unquestioning about the impact of tech.
My Grandparents were all born between 1935 and 1937; none of them ever used The Internet and they only used old-school brick mobile phones, imagine them trying to work out how to regulate the internet.
this is the situation we are in.
Charlotte Mason mentioned!!!
Tech in education is ridiculous, and the kids are constantly doing games and have other windows open in the background. Kids also can find adult content on school-issued laptops.
Great podcast. They are so posh, i feel like i am overhearing two ladies catch up in waitrose
First saw her on Two and a half men, but love her on Peep Show, love British humor.
I have seen many children who grab a picture and attempt to "pinch zoom" it. Also, happened to my fully grown adult friend who is an intelligent investment guy.
Technology is designed to be user-friendly and it will only become more user-friendly with time. The argument that children need to use these devices when young so that they don't fall behind is such bollocks. In truth, children raised on this technology will never develop the skills that make people successful as adults, namely the capacity to put off short-term gratification in favour of achieving long-term goals.
It's not just that society doesn't care about children, really look at media, social media and listen to younger people talk, I know people round my age in their early 30s down to people in their early 20s and all in between who when they talk about children make it very very clear that it's not a lack of care for children, society is pretty openly hostile towards children, they treat children as if they're some inconvenient lower life form not the literal future of society.
8:40 been waiting for new season of Black Mirror. That show's so meta, what they did was, made new season your kids' actual lives, not on tv/streaming.
Big Suze 😍
This was a surprise. Can you get Erin Pizzey on next?
I've asked before; I'm not sure whether the reason why she isn't more prominent in the interview space is due to reasons on her side or other people's.
@@GodsOwnPrototype She's been on Pearl's (JustPearlyThings) show. I think because she's anti-feminist Louise probably wouldn't have her on.
Totally agree about not valuing children... But as obstacles to what adults want to do. This leads to poor parenting, then to badly mannered children... Ergo, children are a nuisance 😔
Charlotte Mason! Love The Commonplace podcast and YT channel for more.
My daughter’s secondary school can’t replace the maths teachers that they’ve lost, so they’re now using devices for some maths lessons, to replace the teaching expertise.
There's a wonderful book called The Shallows by Nicholas Carr that speaks about technology has affected us (re: the brain-flickering)
Was not expecting to see big suze
Yes Louise, as usual, I'm sure you're right that all parents' jobs would pretty much be done for them, if the 'ban everything State' were the parent instead.
Exposing children to terrible things is a specific problem, we have laws abt this kind of thing now, age restrictions on content might be difficult to enforce, but it's possible and most ppl agree that it should be done.
No way sophie windsor is from peepshow. Ive not caught up to her episodes yet.
wasnt expecting big suze
Misha petrov a genz political commentator also made the same video on her channel yesterday
35:50 Do you think adults aren’t doing the same things with the same tech?
I saw Peep Show a long time ago, I had to squint, from across the Atlantic.
I'm French, and I'm sorry to "debunk" what Sophie says, but even if there is indeed a law, passed on July 2020, that is supposed to require authentification for accessing porn sites, it has had no effect so far. The porn sites are just as accessible as they were before, and you only have to click on "I'm over 18" to enter. No proof or authentification is required. The sites have received a "formal notice", demanding that they comply, but they have appealed, and nothing is in place yet.
Also, as someone mentioned below, it's not that Scandinavia is way ahead of us, it's that they adopt liberal policies way before the rest of Europe, and therefore are also the "first ones" to backpedal when it goes wrong - as we've seen with gender transitioning.
" If it's trite, you can trust it. "
- Charlie Munger
14:19 What about the adults who have worked in offices for decades, who have been staring at screens for the sake of a career/wage?
The tech is in the workplace, that’s why it’s in the schools. Being familiar with tech/software has been a CV plus for over twenty years.
" Things should be as simple as possible, but no-more simple "
- Albert Einstein
The tech is mostly so intuitive, that there's really no need of long period of running in.
The smart one's - who'm can catch the job's with the tech - can catch-up anytime.
And the 'struggling one's' - they ain't going to land on the long-term career on tech, anyway's.
"Stay hard!"
@@mietonenpretty much this. Taught for a bit and it's pretty apparent which kid is which. Some (many) people just aren't cut out for the jobs that require sitting at a computer desk.
The people in the comment section here are in that group, but the vast majority of people aren't.
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Ouch, love hurts.
Hey it's big Suze.😆
This seems a pre-chat gbt conversation. The effect of AI on education looks potentially apocalyptic for the sector. We cant keep up with it all.
Not that I disagree wholeheartedly, but I think the biggest problem in education is the popular violence culture being ignored right now. Kids are learning more about how to dodge mob gangs than where Ireland is on the map. Schools look more like prisons without guards than places of education.
Unfortunately as a dumb American the only thing that comes to mind when they talk about British schools is Hogwarts. And hearing references to the state schools conjures up the image of Harry being told he won't be sent to private school.
28:28 not to all be self deprecating abt our own corners of the Anglosphere, but yeah, if market value of groundbreaking charter school company drops next fiscal quarter, we in US would prob just stop doing it, not great.
Ppl gotta check out today's James Lindsay episode on Fascism.
Edit: always remember, 2x speed is your friend.
Technology is only the vehicle for the content both good and bad. When the term society is used it really means women. Women are compelled to speak their mind regardless if it’s the truth. Pornography is not just the product of artistic expression, but the extension of commercial advertising. Sex sells so it is used to get the attention of potential buyers. There’s usually an attractive woman presenting the product. That is easily transitioned to porn which is selling sex too. Young females are influenced by the glamorous appearance of the women is the commercial advertisements so they strive to emulate them. As an extension to looking pretty what good is that if no one sees her. It’s like if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? It only makes a sound if there is an ear to hear it. Otherwise, it’s just a vibration. So what good is being pretty if no one sees her. She must exhibit her beauty so she can appreciate her efforts.
Also - Sophie comes across as a very intelligent, likable person. What is she doing these days? Sounds like she should be in education.
Why stop at banning the internet? Why not just put a chip is us all and make us ask permission from a civil servant before the we leave the house? Ridiculous.
Good interview, but "Sweden inspects things, rather than getting all excited and implementing it immediately"
I had to laugh, thinking about the Swedish immigration problem, and just how left wing it is overall
No women refusing to accept their natural role and abandoning the family is.
I absolutely adore hearing how frightened people are of nudity and sex, who also literally believe in the apocalypse and ritual blood demigod sacrifice…
All of the responsibility and blame is placed on young men by these women. All of it. Young women are the receptors and thus, seemingly, innocent. The real work doesn't work like this. It isn't this simple. You are shaming young men for the gross actions of some.