“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren’t going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. In a way, we we’re trying to make these films for him (Tolkien) not for ourselves.” - Peter Jackson
@@lordofthecringe3480 Nothing is happening to Tolkien’s work. It still exists as it always has. Ignore Amazon’s petty games for what they are. The series they’re making only exists if you let it.
@@lordofthecringe3480 Nothing is happening to it. Whatever the fuck Amazon is doing is fanfic bullshit, it has no effect on Tolkien's legitimate universe.
I was 5 years old and was in and out of the hospital. I was released for a short time before I was diagnosed with child hood leukemia and I was annoying my mother so she tossed me a book with all these ruins on it and I was fascinated. It had a map with a place called Lonely Mountain on it and a dragon. It was the Hobbit. From that day and through college and beyond I was a fan of Tolkien. I even wrote research papers on him and his works. When I heard of The Fellowship of The Ring coming out when I was a junior in college I was just thrilled. I had always dreamed of it being given a large movie of the Trilogy. So Tolkien's works have more meaning to me then just a franchise. His works inspired me and partly got me through all my treatments and to work hard to get into college and get my degrees. (Star Wars also came out when I was going through chemotherapy. ) Its just sad what they are doing with both of these works.
Jesus Christ. What an amazing/inspiring story. Tolkiens work means a load to me too and has got me through some tough times. Been with me through great times. But nothing compared to what what you've been through there. Thank you for sharing your tale.
So glad Voxis got an invitation to Happy Hour. He's been through a lot and has persevered. This says a lot about Drinker, that he sends the lift down to help out fellow creatives who could use a boost. On top of all that, a fab conversation.
Shit man, can you imagine the level of concentration to maintain a persona for 3 straight hours (and the Drinker to buy into the persona too). He needs to change his TH-cam channel to Professor Tosspot instead of Voxis Productions. The name doesn't exactly give an idea of what to expect, unlike The Critical Drinker which is a play on critical thinking, and being a Scottish alcoholic (also a persona).
Funny, I asked Drinker for this meeting just a couple of weeks ago. He said the Prof was a bit difficult to contact so I'm glad he managed it. Cheers Drinker and Voxis!
I love the Boromir character and the way he redeems himself and the next two movies give you context of why he was so desperate for any edge over Sauron’s army and how his father has put so much pressure on him to bring back the ring that he’s not thinking logically.
That's characterization at its finest. In the first movie, you can sense his desperation and understand why he did what he did, his remorse at what he had done and his burning desire to right what he had done wrong. That would have been enough. But then, in the flashbacks of the other two movies and the growing madness of Denethor, you can see WHERE Boromir had come from and why he even showed up in the first place, giving him even more depth. And it doesn't feel tacked on or an afterthought.
to be honest, I liked the book version more, Boromir and Aragon became good friends bt the time he died, he also was less of a "bad" guy from the get go. none the less, still an amazing portrait of him.
In the books it is shown that Faramir received the same dream that took Boromir to Rivendell. If Faramir had gone (and if it had been the Faramir from the books, not the guy who allows Smeagol to be beaten and who takes the ring right to the middle of a war zone) it would have been a very different story. But of course it is dramatically much more satisfying that Denethor sent his favourite son, who he judged as stronger and more capable of doing his own will.
My friend and I went to the movie props that was the LOTR tour when it was in Houston . Most amazing thing to see all of the trolls, armor, and of course weapons up close. It was packed out and you could only move forward, and had one hour to complete the exhibit. Then in one room, it had the tree and Boulder props displayed so you followed a path that led to a cliff. When I looked over, there was Boromir floating on the water with his sword. Amazing. I teared up, it was so real. I am so blessed to have seen that exhibit. Will never forget it.
The Drinker's massive grin as soon as the Blessed Pipeman starts talking is a powerful phenomenom indeed. My crops are watered, my skin is spotless and all is right with the world.
When Bilbo finally drops the ring into the floor, it lands flat with a deep thud...very unnatural. It underscores how weighty and evil it really is. That part really stood out to me.
Never heard of Voxis before but he is fantastic. Witty, knowledgable and a good story teller. A very entertaining episode. Just subscribed to Voxis and looking forward to his other videos.
I hope to hear Voxis on more and more streams... This was such a good discussion I'm watching The Fellowship tonight as I make dinner:) Thanks to the Drunkler for putting him on, and I can't wait for the day when Paul makes it on to Friday Night Tights! HAIL!
that rant by Voxis at 1hr58 hours is absolutely perfect - it quite literally sums up the ENTIRE issue with metrics and socmed and trying to translate it to sales and tickets and basically not caring at all about diversity - its just about money. Absolutely brilliant. Trim that clip out and put it on your channel. I've never heard about this guys channel at all till now, but he's utterly brilliant thankyou! ❤
If the Lord Of The Rings trilogy wasn’t a success, that would have been the end of New Line Cinema. It was probably the last time a studio took a huge risk like that.
What a lovely banter between these two. You really hear two seasoned artists, a writer and a previous instructor of film so this made the dialogue very intriguing. This was a very measured discussion which gives us great ideas to come up with better original stories.
There are many outstanding moments in LOTR by Peter Jackson. My favoritie part, when i get goosebumps and a lump in my throt is the Theoden speech at Pelenor Fields. Can't help it.. gets to me every time.
Gandalf and Théoden at Theodred's tomb. And when Théoden says no parent should have to bury their child makes me cry because I've had to do that IRL. It hits hard. Also, beginning scene of Two Towers when Gandalf takes the fight to Balrog...wow.
Absolutely love these films. I know they are not 100% true to the novels, but they are so close to my heart. Also, Voxis lol. We love this puppet! My husband and I love him!
I still have no idea how Voxis has such a low sub count. Same goes with 21Kiloton. They are two of the most hilarious TH-camrs (along with yourself), and you blew up nicely, but they are both having a slow build up. So it is nice to see you get Professor Tosspot on, I hope it boosts his channel. If you could though, get 21Kiloton on (although you will have to talk about gaming as he only does shitty games). I hope Voxis blows up after this, although I think he should rename his channel to Professor Tosspot, to make it more catchy. Voxis Productions almost sounds corporate.
I wonder why his subscribers are so relatively low as well, because he really deserves to be more popular - I think people that know about him, absolutely love him - but it seems that number is not as high as it should be, I can't help feeling the fact he doesn't monetise means youtube doesn't push his content, as there is nothing in it for them.
I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be excited about an adaptation of your favorite works. All it would take is trust their making faith to the source material their main goal, which is a bridge too far for the foreseeable future.
I absolutely love 21K and Voxis they are my yt hidden gems (i hope that changes soon and they both blow up as well they deserve it to be sure), the drinker was in that boat as well when I found him at 10k subs as an unknown but his growth over the last year and a half has been utterly insane, he simply can't be "hidden" gem anymore by any definition. He's def turned into a precisely cut diamond at this point. On the point of tosspot and his monetization, I think at 100k subs yt re-evaluates and becomes infinitely more apt to monetize channels. I've also thought about Voxis changing his name to Prof Tosspot or variation of that as it's simply more catchy and looks a ton better then the name of a production company. I think it would give him a bit more name recognition and fan awareness. I do admire that him and 21 seem to give zero fucks when it comes to outside influences and ALWAYS put their content first. U simply gotta give them so much credit and respect for that. I honestly hope they eventually get the respect and success they so richly deserve.
1:22:19 That was actually the best part of The Hobit. The talks, those long, clever, talks. Like Riddles in the dark, trying to persuade the stubborn dwarves not to declare war on everyone in middle Earth, and of course, chatting with a dragon! It was not about muscle size, it was about size of intellect, will, and wit. Loved it!
@@trevorthornley8835 yes. And I too am to blame for that. I didn't like them when I first watched them. Maybe we were spoiled by all the good series and movies in the 2000s and 2005s. Or maybe I got older, and wiser. But they are really good movies!
i still say the Balrog is one of the gold standards of CGI even to this day. The problem with most CGI is that the more of it you actually show a viewer, the easier it is to tell it's not really there. With the Balrog they kept it hidden as much as possible with darkness or smoke, letting the menace build in the mind of the audience and giving it an ethereal quality that helps the viewer get lost in the moment most CGI even today fails when it's overused to the point where it becomes obvious. The artist is so proud that they want to show you every pixel... which just gives you every chance to notice it's also fake....
I am a casual Tolkien fan & saw that movie in the theater with a relative who is a serious Tolkien fan. He was sad about some of the story that was left out of the first movie, but he loved the Balrog and said the movie HAD to get that right in order to succeed.
I think in the books the existence of Tom Bombadil does a lot to really sell how much history the world has. The fact that the ring has no effect on him and he's that old really establishes the idea that even the one ring and the war surrounding it is quite a small thing relative to the world and its history. I think the films accomplish something similar courtesy of all the landscapes, relics, and monuments to eras passed like Weathertop and the Argonath.
I wish bombadil wasn’t even in the books, it kills the pacing of the first act and makes it way too whimsical compared to the rest of the book. On my next read I’ll probably skip those chapters
After bingeing most of your vids in about a week, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. And the deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism have inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it. For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways. Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is. I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 22,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience. The tale is humbly posted, amidst countless others, on fanfiction.net, under the title “The Children of Rohan,” by WillDreamer.
Voxis and The Drinker, a thing of beauty! Edit:. You can tell where the Salikawood came from in ff12. Sent me down a trip to watch the first LOTR tonight. Brought me to tears nearly watching the movie. Time to read the trilogy again after being a squirt. Thanks guys!
The best part of the Arwen chase scene was that she was terrified, overwhelmed and outnumbered. At the end of her rope, there was nobody else that could help her, so she did what she had to do. That is the embodiment of feminine power and completely won me over on her character.
This movie was so good, I can pretty much remember most of day I saw it for the first time, such was the impact it had on me. And i will always remember the feeling I had when The Fellowship went through Moria and and my favourite scene in the trilogy... The Argonath! Long had Aragorn desired to see the kings of old...his kin.
A guy named Phil Dragash did a one man audio play of the books where he does all the voices based off the film portrayals, uses the film score, and uses sound effects and audio layering to make it immersive. He put it on TH-cam and of course got flagged and he had to remove it but it can be found online if you look hard enough and I couldn't recommend it more, he does an astounding job.
Call out to the professor for his knowledge on Jacksons Ww1 docs. Absolutely fantastic, and personally I feel his best work. While lotr is my favourite trilogy, they won't grow old is used as education material in Britain. That literally shapes whole new generations. What an achievement
I think this new thing of making any close male friendship marked down as "gay" actually makes men more aloof and distant because they don't want to be labelled as gay.
Watching this the week the Rings of Power releases. It’s been a palate cleanser. Voxis is one of my favs. I hope the Blessed Pipeman returns in future After Hours or Open Bars.
This was such a fascinating and entertaining discussion. Lots of ideas to ponder, reminders of powerful scenes with no images needed. We’ve all seen this movie trilogy multiple times, and most of us - at least the older ones - have read the books too. We don’t need a teensy video of the movie because the insights and rich conversation are everything. Thank you for sharing it, and thanks too to Voxis for his lively side of the exchange. I fear that too many young people and writers of TV series and movie dialog don’t realize how wonderful real conversation between interested friends can be.
May I ask why people are asking for a colab with Prof Tosspot and It'sAGundam? Absolutely no hate here, I'm just curious. I've been subscribed to Tosspot, but only recently started watching It'sAGundam, so I haven't made the connection. :)
Perfect! I was standing here looking for something to listen to when feeding the animals and this just popped into my notifications! Edit: Drinker and Rob Dahm's abrupt endings get me every time, haha!
Have just been watching « Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring Appendices», so this was fitting! Highly recommend watching the Appendices for all Tolkien and general movie fans. It really shows what insane amount of love, passion and talent that went into the movies!
Without watching the new barf of a show, we can still say they are less than the OT. At the very least the OT will always be the one who had the most time to form.
I never do that. A work stands on its own, and something inferior made later won’t impact that work as it has always been. The prequels are still garbage, regardless of what Disney has made, and The Hobbit will always be just the lesser of two Tolkien trilogies, regardless of that Amazon project I’ll refuse to watch or even acknowledge.
I’ve watched this a few times. I’m so happy with nostalgic banter about my favorite thing. And Voxis is so much cheekier than I thought he would be when he first came in :) I hope to see way more of you two together. Reminds me of Patrick Stewart when I first saw him as deputy director bullock. It’s a crime how he gets on nowadays.
I woke up early yesterday afternoon to this stream. What a great surprise. So glad to hear Drinker and the Blessed Pipeman discuss this film that I remember seeing it in theaters. Such a great stream. Hats off to both these awesome gents.
I neither a religious person nor am I conservative, I don't think I'd see eye to eye with him on many matters but when I watch these movies I can feel the passion and the calibre of writing, the years of experience and how simple messages about friendship, brotherhood, greed, loyalty, corruption hit so hard and hence we end up with such well rounded characters, good but flawed, some even pay for it dearly. They represent us by the color of their skin but by the hardships, difficulties, the losses they face and the feeling of elation after victory after a hard fought battle, that sense of betrayal or gratitude towards a comrade, this is what an audience can relate even if it's a set in a medieval fantasy. I can relate to someone like Boromir who is a good man, saddled with expectations of father, brother and people, burdened by deep pride and wanting fulfill those expectations, only to make him so much more easy to corrupt. So many of these characters are beloved because they are characters, not some representative of a political ideology or identity, they are people who's lives we watch through their perspective and overcome so much to grow and become so much more, inspiring stuff but Amazon is just gonna cuck us all.
"there are fielllds Drinker.. endless fields!" not gonna lie that murdered me 😂😂😂 regarding the actors like Willis taking a paycheck for utter tripe... my wife mentioned she read an article that if these guys aren't in some film within a number of years certain perks like home cinema (yknow.. rich peoples home cinema where they see the latest stuff at home prior to us knuckleheads)... and even private medical health care is actually taken from them. So they just need to turn up in some film and they can say "look i'm relevant" its kind of pitiful if this is indeed the case and you see/know how much they've earned on various films over the years.
for me it goes back well before the great Peter Jackson films, my father was a Tolkien and fantasy fan and as a child in the 70s my father took me to see the animated film in the theatre. at that time my father had retired and took me on a 2 or 3 year long road trip in a Volkswagen van with his savings, so for 2 or 3 years i was not exposed to other kids at all and i was seeing nature and the country rather than tv so i didnt even know Star Wars existed at the time. at the very end of the 70s we had settled down and i had started school and made friends and got star Wars mania as every kid of the time did, but at home mt father rented our spare room to his friend and co worker who was a college student and introduced us to D&D and i would role play with my father andhis friends and the shadow of Tolkien was always there. for my entire life "49 years" i have dreamed of this moment, and now they are going to absolutely ruin it. making a series that just didnt turn out great is one thing, but they are essentially deliberately sabotaging this series for the BlockRock agenda, for the message.
My Scottish dad loved the books. And I read them as a teen. And Tolkien grandson or possibly great grandson lived in my town in the black country. He ran a local bicycle shop in the late 90s. Not sure on the Tolkien family wealth before the 00s films cos he was definitely not wealthy at the time. Although he closed the shop and was not seen again shortly after the films were released. Mordor was indeed imo named after the industrial black country near Birmingham as Vois says at the start of the podcast. Tolkien could see the smoke and pollution coming from our area from Miles away. The industrial worker's covered in dirt and coal (the reason we're called the black country)were the inspiration for Orcs
Actually in the book Galadriel upon meeting Frodo tested him telepathically, and so after looking into the mirror, he tested her in revenge, offering her the Ring. As the ringbearer, he became very wise and perceptive, even to the point of discovering that Galadriel was the bearer of one of the three elven rings, while Sam didn't see anything. Furthermore, Sam didn't even understand what they were talking about near the mirror. So, Frodo wasn't like "I don't want to be ringbearer anymore, I'll give her the Ring".
Finally got around to watching a cooy of the Extended Edition of the Fellowship. First time watching this version, and first time ive watched fellowship in one sitting. Felt an inner warmth that I rarely feel from media and games. Favorite fight scene was the wizard duel between gandalf and saruman
This trilogy was nothing short of a miracle. Remember seeing Fellowship in one of those mini 'exclusive' expensive theatre, the seat was like £20, you were sitting in a giant lazy-chair with a subwoofer under it, and could get yourself a beer. Then the DVD, with IIRC six hours of mind-blowing extras. I have the three special editions, with the miniatures.
The other significance of the Old Forest / Bombadil / Barrow episode, is to establish Frodo as a brave and devoted friend, and not just an Elijah Wood plushie that gets carried from place to place, while suffering from increasing wear and tear.
Holy crap I ain't got got clue who his guest is but got tears in eyes from laughing , he reminds me of a voice from some program when I were a kid in the 80's.
“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren’t going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. In a way, we we’re trying to make these films for him (Tolkien) not for ourselves.” - Peter Jackson
It is so sad seeing whats happening to Tolkiens work
"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"
@@lordofthecringe3480 Nothing is happening to Tolkien’s work. It still exists as it always has. Ignore Amazon’s petty games for what they are. The series they’re making only exists if you let it.
(Has female elf recite frodo's line at the border of rivendell)
That said he did much better than most do in adapting books.
@@lordofthecringe3480 Nothing is happening to it. Whatever the fuck Amazon is doing is fanfic bullshit, it has no effect on Tolkien's legitimate universe.
I was 5 years old and was in and out of the hospital. I was released for a short time before I was diagnosed with child hood leukemia and I was annoying my mother so she tossed me a book with all these ruins on it and I was fascinated. It had a map with a place called Lonely Mountain on it and a dragon. It was the Hobbit. From that day and through college and beyond I was a fan of Tolkien. I even wrote research papers on him and his works. When I heard of The Fellowship of The Ring coming out when I was a junior in college I was just thrilled. I had always dreamed of it being given a large movie of the Trilogy. So Tolkien's works have more meaning to me then just a franchise. His works inspired me and partly got me through all my treatments and to work hard to get into college and get my degrees. (Star Wars also came out when I was going through chemotherapy. ) Its just sad what they are doing with both of these works.
Jesus Christ. What an amazing/inspiring story. Tolkiens work means a load to me too and has got me through some tough times. Been with me through great times. But nothing compared to what what you've been through there. Thank you for sharing your tale.
"treatments" lol
In my case I actually read the book after seeing the first movie, which made me hate the movies. A lot. :D
Ya man, feel that ❤
So glad Voxis got an invitation to Happy Hour. He's been through a lot and has persevered. This says a lot about Drinker, that he sends the lift down to help out fellow creatives who could use a boost. On top of all that, a fab conversation.
Yes, it was great seeing the Blessed Pipeman again.
I think you have it backwards, the professor is just sharing a little wisdom with his humble student.
What has he gone through? I don't know him.
Shit man, can you imagine the level of concentration to maintain a persona for 3 straight hours (and the Drinker to buy into the persona too). He needs to change his TH-cam channel to Professor Tosspot instead of Voxis Productions. The name doesn't exactly give an idea of what to expect, unlike The Critical Drinker which is a play on critical thinking, and being a Scottish alcoholic (also a persona).
Voxis is a fantastic chap and I wish him all the best. His channel has brought me so many laughs when I needed them.
this voxis guy knows what's up, based as hell. Drinker keeps introducing me to great new people to follow.
Agreed. Never heard of the guy but damn if I don't want to binge on his channel now.
you are in for a good time lol
@@inblackestnight9256 - I really like both of these guys… I’m hoping that you’ve heard of Friday Night Tights with Nerdarotic?
@@Borgforce Indeed I have! Never caught a livestream of it, but I've a some after the fact.
I highly recommend his Mulan video he did, really funny shit
Funny, I asked Drinker for this meeting just a couple of weeks ago. He said the Prof was a bit difficult to contact so I'm glad he managed it.
Cheers Drinker and Voxis!
He'e easier to pin down than E;R, at least.
He sounds like a character from Danger Mouse!
ooh crumbs
Not really, he was on efap a couple of times so I assume mauler got in touch with him
I love the Boromir character and the way he redeems himself and the next two movies give you context of why he was so desperate for any edge over Sauron’s army and how his father has put so much pressure on him to bring back the ring that he’s not thinking logically.
That's characterization at its finest. In the first movie, you can sense his desperation and understand why he did what he did, his remorse at what he had done and his burning desire to right what he had done wrong. That would have been enough.
But then, in the flashbacks of the other two movies and the growing madness of Denethor, you can see WHERE Boromir had come from and why he even showed up in the first place, giving him even more depth. And it doesn't feel tacked on or an afterthought.
to be honest, I liked the book version more, Boromir and Aragon became good friends bt the time he died, he also was less of a "bad" guy from the get go. none the less, still an amazing portrait of him.
He’s such a real character with legitimate faults that are so true to human beings and the nature of man. He’s masterfully written.
In the books it is shown that Faramir received the same dream that took Boromir to Rivendell. If Faramir had gone (and if it had been the Faramir from the books, not the guy who allows Smeagol to be beaten and who takes the ring right to the middle of a war zone) it would have been a very different story. But of course it is dramatically much more satisfying that Denethor sent his favourite son, who he judged as stronger and more capable of doing his own will.
An awesome guest! I hope Voxis gets more of the exposure he deserves.
the scene where Boromir dies gets me every time, I always tear up - it's such a tragedy and such great story telling.
My friend and I went to the movie props that was the LOTR tour when it was in Houston . Most amazing thing to see all of the trolls, armor, and of course weapons up close. It was packed out and you could only move forward, and had one hour to complete the exhibit. Then in one room, it had the tree and Boulder props displayed so you followed a path that led to a cliff. When I looked over, there was Boromir floating on the water with his sword. Amazing. I teared up, it was so real. I am so blessed to have seen that exhibit. Will never forget it.
@@brightspacebabe I don't get it: it's virtual reality?
THE LITTLE ONES
The Drinker's massive grin as soon as the Blessed Pipeman starts talking is a powerful phenomenom indeed. My crops are watered, my skin is spotless and all is right with the world.
'The Elvan council are essentially NATO, they'll give them the gear but not get involved'...
... This is the caliber of comedy I come for.
They sent them off with a backpack full of sandwiches. Pretty much…
Haha piggies go SUUEEEEY
Absolutely!
When Bilbo finally drops the ring into the floor, it lands flat with a deep thud...very unnatural. It underscores how weighty and evil it really is. That part really stood out to me.
Voxis is awesome! If possible he should be on the stream more often.
But as the muppet
Drinker smashing it with these team ups!
Never heard of Voxis before but he is fantastic. Witty, knowledgable and a good story teller. A very entertaining episode. Just subscribed to Voxis and looking forward to his other videos.
He has on many occasions narrated erotica on Efap and its glorious.
def check him out and sub! hilarious content!
Lucky bastard. Wish I could discover Tosspot for the first time all over again.
Just be careful watching his few live streams. They can be harmful 🤣🤣
"By the time you're through the second Conan film you've got your five-o'clock shadow and a taste for blood and girls." -- Professor Tosspot
It's about friendship... And good cardio 😂.
Prof Tosspot is the wittiest in the game
I hope to hear Voxis on more and more streams... This was such a good discussion I'm watching The Fellowship tonight as I make dinner:) Thanks to the Drunkler for putting him on, and I can't wait for the day when Paul makes it on to Friday Night Tights! HAIL!
I like that Gundams name slip up has stuck so long.
@@MediumRareOpinions I will do my part to keep it going. I'm sure Papa Gundam will too lol
@@MediumRareOpinions the drunkler and the nerdaholic.
The drinker and professor toss-pot! I am soooooo happy!
I like Voxis; very funny and looks like Mr. Moneybags from Monopoly.
I just love Voxis and his dry humour. Great guest and great discussion!
Two of TH-cam's finest in one place !
Voxis deserves so many more suscibers! So glad he´s getting noticed by the big ones.
He's been stuck at 92k for the last 12 months...
that rant by Voxis at 1hr58 hours is absolutely perfect - it quite literally sums up the ENTIRE issue with metrics and socmed and trying to translate it to sales and tickets and basically not caring at all about diversity - its just about money. Absolutely brilliant. Trim that clip out and put it on your channel. I've never heard about this guys channel at all till now, but he's utterly brilliant thankyou! ❤
If the Lord Of The Rings trilogy wasn’t a success, that would have been the end of New Line Cinema. It was probably the last time a studio took a huge risk like that.
What a lovely banter between these two. You really hear two seasoned artists, a writer and a previous instructor of film so this made the dialogue very intriguing. This was a very measured discussion which gives us great ideas to come up with better original stories.
Never heard of Voxis, but I love him. He's fantastic.
Honestly I think this is my favorite guest of Drinker. I hope to see him on more
There are many outstanding moments in LOTR by Peter Jackson. My favoritie part, when i get goosebumps and a lump in my throt is the Theoden speech at Pelenor Fields. Can't help it.. gets to me every time.
Gandalf and Théoden at Theodred's tomb. And when Théoden says no parent should have to bury their child makes me cry because I've had to do that IRL. It hits hard. Also, beginning scene of Two Towers when Gandalf takes the fight to Balrog...wow.
Also Aragorn's speech at the Gates of Mordor.
Aragorns is the better one - and prescient for us now one might say.
@@chrisramsey6725 The whole speech is amazing, but the line "this day we fight" gives me chills.
My Favorite moment
Voxis doing Fresh Prince is the highlight of my week.
Oh, I don't remember that. Time stamp? :)
@@FunZies. 2:46:07
Really happy about this stream, both the subject and the guest.
Awesome interview, it's great you finally got the professor on!
Absolutely love these films. I know they are not 100% true to the novels, but they are so close to my heart. Also, Voxis lol. We love this puppet! My husband and I love him!
So much wisdom in this Happy Hour.
"Water coming out of eyes ? What is that pussy shit?!"
- Professor Tosspot
I still have no idea how Voxis has such a low sub count. Same goes with 21Kiloton. They are two of the most hilarious TH-camrs (along with yourself), and you blew up nicely, but they are both having a slow build up. So it is nice to see you get Professor Tosspot on, I hope it boosts his channel.
If you could though, get 21Kiloton on (although you will have to talk about gaming as he only does shitty games). I hope Voxis blows up after this, although I think he should rename his channel to Professor Tosspot, to make it more catchy. Voxis Productions almost sounds corporate.
I wonder why his subscribers are so relatively low as well, because he really deserves to be more popular - I think people that know about him, absolutely love him - but it seems that number is not as high as it should be, I can't help feeling the fact he doesn't monetise means youtube doesn't push his content, as there is nothing in it for them.
I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be excited about an adaptation of your favorite works. All it would take is trust their making faith to the source material their main goal, which is a bridge too far for the foreseeable future.
I absolutely love 21K and Voxis they are my yt hidden gems (i hope that changes soon and they both blow up as well they deserve it to be sure), the drinker was in that boat as well when I found him at 10k subs as an unknown but his growth over the last year and a half has been utterly insane, he simply can't be "hidden" gem anymore by any definition. He's def turned into a precisely cut diamond at this point. On the point of tosspot and his monetization, I think at 100k subs yt re-evaluates and becomes infinitely more apt to monetize channels. I've also thought about Voxis changing his name to Prof Tosspot or variation of that as it's simply more catchy and looks a ton better then the name of a production company. I think it would give him a bit more name recognition and fan awareness. I do admire that him and 21 seem to give zero fucks when it comes to outside influences and ALWAYS put their content first. U simply gotta give them so much credit and respect for that. I honestly hope they eventually get the respect and success they so richly deserve.
Hadn’t come across Voxis before. Have subscribed. Brilliant stream.
1:22:19 That was actually the best part of The Hobit. The talks, those long, clever, talks. Like Riddles in the dark, trying to persuade the stubborn dwarves not to declare war on everyone in middle Earth, and of course, chatting with a dragon! It was not about muscle size, it was about size of intellect, will, and wit. Loved it!
Hobbit movies are underrated.
@@trevorthornley8835 yes. And I too am to blame for that. I didn't like them when I first watched them.
Maybe we were spoiled by all the good series and movies in the 2000s and 2005s.
Or maybe I got older, and wiser.
But they are really good movies!
This was a joy to listen to. Thank you both.
Love seeing Tosspot on here! Great job.
i still say the Balrog is one of the gold standards of CGI even to this day. The problem with most CGI is that the more of it you actually show a viewer, the easier it is to tell it's not really there. With the Balrog they kept it hidden as much as possible with darkness or smoke, letting the menace build in the mind of the audience and giving it an ethereal quality that helps the viewer get lost in the moment
most CGI even today fails when it's overused to the point where it becomes obvious. The artist is so proud that they want to show you every pixel... which just gives you every chance to notice it's also fake....
Agreed! I'd read the books repeatedly growing up, and that was one part where the film actually exceeded my imagination.
I am a casual Tolkien fan & saw that movie in the theater with a relative who is a serious Tolkien fan. He was sad about some of the story that was left out of the first movie, but he loved the Balrog and said the movie HAD to get that right in order to succeed.
This really is the channel at its best. All these interesting people with soo much knowledge about cinema.
They will be the Fellowship off the Drinker
I think in the books the existence of Tom Bombadil does a lot to really sell how much history the world has. The fact that the ring has no effect on him and he's that old really establishes the idea that even the one ring and the war surrounding it is quite a small thing relative to the world and its history.
I think the films accomplish something similar courtesy of all the landscapes, relics, and monuments to eras passed like Weathertop and the Argonath.
I read the trilogy so many times, I cried when the Argonath came on screen. It was so beautiful and so true to Tolkein.
I wish bombadil wasn’t even in the books, it kills the pacing of the first act and makes it way too whimsical compared to the rest of the book. On my next read I’ll probably skip those chapters
this one was fun to listen to, many thanks to the critical drinker and professor tosspot. love ya both
After bingeing most of your vids in about a week, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. And the deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism have inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it.
For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways.
Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is.
I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 22,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience.
The tale is humbly posted, amidst countless others, on fanfiction.net, under the title “The Children of Rohan,” by WillDreamer.
Brilliant and enlightening episode. Thank you Drinker and professor Tosspot. Such a please !
"The Elven council is essentially NATO" Lol I wasn't expecting that. I laughed so hard.
Shhhh....it's dangerous to mention NATO these days in the comments
Voxis and The Drinker, a thing of beauty!
Edit:.
You can tell where the Salikawood came from in ff12. Sent me down a trip to watch the first LOTR tonight. Brought me to tears nearly watching the movie. Time to read the trilogy again after being a squirt. Thanks guys!
The best part of the Arwen chase scene was that she was terrified, overwhelmed and outnumbered. At the end of her rope, there was nobody else that could help her, so she did what she had to do. That is the embodiment of feminine power and completely won me over on her character.
This is so therapeutic I've been listening to it all morning I'm so excited that it's 3 hours long
I'm a simple man. I see Professor Tosspot is part of a video, and so I click on that video.
Love Voxis. Been watching some of his old reviews. Found myself laughing out loud more than once. 😂
So many possible clips in this stream.
Voxi's rants and rendition of fresh prince
YES VOXIS! Been watching that blokes vids for years and years now absolute champion.
This movie was so good, I can pretty much remember most of day I saw it for the first time, such was the impact it had on me. And i will always remember the feeling I had when The Fellowship went through Moria and and my favourite scene in the trilogy... The Argonath! Long had Aragorn desired to see the kings of old...his kin.
Voxis...I LOVE THIS MAN/PUPPET!! 🤗
I dropped my prime subscription in part because of what they're doing to Tolkien.
I don't know who this voxis is but damn what a fantastic guest!!
Aw at 18:50 I lost it laughing 😂 Voxis needs to make another appearance
A guy named Phil Dragash did a one man audio play of the books where he does all the voices based off the film portrayals, uses the film score, and uses sound effects and audio layering to make it immersive. He put it on TH-cam and of course got flagged and he had to remove it but it can be found online if you look hard enough and I couldn't recommend it more, he does an astounding job.
Any hints about where to look?
Call out to the professor for his knowledge on Jacksons Ww1 docs. Absolutely fantastic, and personally I feel his best work. While lotr is my favourite trilogy, they won't grow old is used as education material in Britain. That literally shapes whole new generations. What an achievement
I think this new thing of making any close male friendship marked down as "gay" actually makes men more aloof and distant because they don't want to be labelled as gay.
Queue that new Bro movie...
Watching this the week the Rings of Power releases. It’s been a palate cleanser. Voxis is one of my favs. I hope the Blessed Pipeman returns in future After Hours or Open Bars.
Love Prof. Tosspot.. so great to listen to these two together
So awesome to see voxxis on this stream
This was such a fascinating and entertaining discussion. Lots of ideas to ponder, reminders of powerful scenes with no images needed. We’ve all seen this movie trilogy multiple times, and most of us - at least the older ones - have read the books too. We don’t need a teensy video of the movie because the insights and rich conversation are everything. Thank you for sharing it, and thanks too to Voxis for his lively side of the exchange. I fear that too many young people and writers of TV series and movie dialog don’t realize how wonderful real conversation between interested friends can be.
Drinker, great long stream! Hopefully we’ll get more Voxis Productions in the future.
This guy is hilarious. Get him on again soon drinker!
The day Professor Tosspot and Pappa Gundam team up is the day the internet breaks
Assuming Tosspot can handle a clique of Sweeties.
I have a feeling we will get to see it, in time.
May I ask why people are asking for a colab with Prof Tosspot and It'sAGundam? Absolutely no hate here, I'm just curious. I've been subscribed to Tosspot, but only recently started watching It'sAGundam, so I haven't made the connection. :)
@@FunZies. Gundam has made a few references to the Professor in his videos. And he also gave him a shout-out when he was on Friday Night Tights.
@@FunZies. He had his own puppet not sure he uses him as much anymore
"let me risk a little more light" most awesome reveal ever!
Perfect! I was standing here looking for something to listen to when feeding the animals and this just popped into my notifications!
Edit: Drinker and Rob Dahm's abrupt endings get me every time, haha!
Have just been watching « Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring Appendices», so this was fitting!
Highly recommend watching the Appendices for all Tolkien and general movie fans. It really shows what insane amount of love, passion and talent that went into the movies!
Never heard of Voxis before thanks Drinker for introducing me to a new channel
I've got the feeling we'll all start looking back on the Hobbit films in a more favourable light once the Amazon show comes out!
I’m calling that too.
Having seen the trilogy more than once, one thing that you can’t really accuse it of being is bad.
You bet
Without watching the new barf of a show, we can still say they are less than the OT. At the very least the OT will always be the one who had the most time to form.
I already am
I never do that. A work stands on its own, and something inferior made later won’t impact that work as it has always been. The prequels are still garbage, regardless of what Disney has made, and The Hobbit will always be just the lesser of two Tolkien trilogies, regardless of that Amazon project I’ll refuse to watch or even acknowledge.
"We're gonna need a big one." - Professor Tosspot
Great to hear the Prof again, cheers drinker
Definitely gonna check Voxis' channel. Love the episode.
Edit: Already subbed to his channel 😁
It's finally happened! You fellas picked a great topic for a first collaboration. Was an enjoyable listen. I hope you two do another stream.
I’ve watched this a few times. I’m so happy with nostalgic banter about my favorite thing. And Voxis is so much cheekier than I thought he would be when he first came in :) I hope to see way more of you two together. Reminds me of Patrick Stewart when I first saw him as deputy director bullock. It’s a crime how he gets on nowadays.
I didn't see them in the theatre but I rented all 3 extended editions and watched them in one day.
I woke up early yesterday afternoon to this stream. What a great surprise. So glad to hear Drinker and the Blessed Pipeman discuss this film that I remember seeing it in theaters. Such a great stream. Hats off to both these awesome gents.
This show is going to go through writers and directors like the drinker goes through bottles
Over time I think Fellowship of the Ring might be my favourite of the trilogy. For awhile it was The Two Towers.
I neither a religious person nor am I conservative, I don't think I'd see eye to eye with him on many matters but when I watch these movies I can feel the passion and the calibre of writing, the years of experience and how simple messages about friendship, brotherhood, greed, loyalty, corruption hit so hard and hence we end up with such well rounded characters, good but flawed, some even pay for it dearly. They represent us by the color of their skin but by the hardships, difficulties, the losses they face and the feeling of elation after victory after a hard fought battle, that sense of betrayal or gratitude towards a comrade, this is what an audience can relate even if it's a set in a medieval fantasy. I can relate to someone like Boromir who is a good man, saddled with expectations of father, brother and people, burdened by deep pride and wanting fulfill those expectations, only to make him so much more easy to corrupt. So many of these characters are beloved because they are characters, not some representative of a political ideology or identity, they are people who's lives we watch through their perspective and overcome so much to grow and become so much more, inspiring stuff but Amazon is just gonna cuck us all.
What A Treat!
Thank You For This...
💯💖💯
"there are fielllds Drinker.. endless fields!"
not gonna lie that murdered me 😂😂😂
regarding the actors like Willis taking a paycheck for utter tripe... my wife mentioned she read an article that if these guys aren't in some film within a number of years certain perks like home cinema (yknow.. rich peoples home cinema where they see the latest stuff at home prior to us knuckleheads)... and even private medical health care is actually taken from them. So they just need to turn up in some film and they can say "look i'm relevant"
its kind of pitiful if this is indeed the case and you see/know how much they've earned on various films over the years.
for me it goes back well before the great Peter Jackson films, my father was a Tolkien and fantasy fan and as a child in the 70s my father took me to see the animated film in the theatre. at that time my father had retired and took me on a 2 or 3 year long road trip in a Volkswagen van with his savings, so for 2 or 3 years i was not exposed to other kids at all and i was seeing nature and the country rather than tv so i didnt even know Star Wars existed at the time. at the very end of the 70s we had settled down and i had started school and made friends and got star Wars mania as every kid of the time did, but at home mt father rented our spare room to his friend and co worker who was a college student and introduced us to D&D and i would role play with my father andhis friends and the shadow of Tolkien was always there. for my entire life "49 years" i have dreamed of this moment, and now they are going to absolutely ruin it. making a series that just didnt turn out great is one thing, but they are essentially deliberately sabotaging this series for the BlockRock agenda, for the message.
My Scottish dad loved the books. And I read them as a teen. And Tolkien grandson or possibly great grandson lived in my town in the black country. He ran a local bicycle shop in the late 90s. Not sure on the Tolkien family wealth before the 00s films cos he was definitely not wealthy at the time. Although he closed the shop and was not seen again shortly after the films were released. Mordor was indeed imo named after the industrial black country near Birmingham as Vois says at the start of the podcast. Tolkien could see the smoke and pollution coming from our area from Miles away. The industrial worker's covered in dirt and coal (the reason we're called the black country)were the inspiration for Orcs
Actually in the book Galadriel upon meeting Frodo tested him telepathically, and so after looking into the mirror, he tested her in revenge, offering her the Ring. As the ringbearer, he became very wise and perceptive, even to the point of discovering that Galadriel was the bearer of one of the three elven rings, while Sam didn't see anything. Furthermore, Sam didn't even understand what they were talking about near the mirror. So, Frodo wasn't like "I don't want to be ringbearer anymore, I'll give her the Ring".
My god i never knew how badly that i missed the sound of Tosspot's voice until I heard it in this video
Voxis was magnificent. Please, please invite him back for another show. Introduce Voxis to your friends.
I’ve never wanted to like a video more than once… until now.
Amazon's LOTR references diversity so often that you'd swear Justin Trudeau was the executive producer.
"Northerner's don't cry" a common misconception... we shed a single manly tear.
Finally got around to watching a cooy of the Extended Edition of the Fellowship. First time watching this version, and first time ive watched fellowship in one sitting. Felt an inner warmth that I rarely feel from media and games. Favorite fight scene was the wizard duel between gandalf and saruman
Why is this man not on all your movie reviews?
Blessed is the Pipeman 🙌
This trilogy was nothing short of a miracle. Remember seeing Fellowship in one of those mini 'exclusive' expensive theatre, the seat was like £20, you were sitting in a giant lazy-chair with a subwoofer under it, and could get yourself a beer.
Then the DVD, with IIRC six hours of mind-blowing extras. I have the three special editions, with the miniatures.
The other significance of the Old Forest / Bombadil / Barrow episode, is to establish Frodo as a brave and devoted friend, and not just an Elijah Wood plushie that gets carried from place to place, while suffering from increasing wear and tear.
Voxis is always a 10. Bring him back please!
Holy crap I ain't got got clue who his guest is but got tears in eyes from laughing , he reminds me of a voice from some program when I were a kid in the 80's.
Fun coincidence that this discussion of a Lord of the Rings movie is as long as a Lord of the Rings movie. Well done!
Just watched "Fellowship" last night (extended edition), and I knew to come right here!