@brown_recidivist When THEY say "peace and safety", sudden destruction will come on THEM. But YOU Brethren are not in darkness, so that the DAY will overcome YOU like a thief. Pre Trib teaches that the *rapture* will come "like a thief". But here, it says the DAY comes like a thief over "them" that say "peace and security" - and contrasts it with "Brethren" who are "not in darkness".
That is the Law. Through Christ's sacrifice we forgive because he first forgave us. The 'Lord's Prayer' was Jesus instructing Jews under the Law how to pray and is not applicable to new covenant believers.
@OmgKyo In this the children of GOD and the children of the devil are manifest, whoever does not practice righteousness is not of GOD nor is he that does not love his brother. 1st John 3:10.
Im so glad that He at least gave us the season 'cause i totally did clean up my act out of fear at first but through giving everything to Him I've genuinely fallen in love with Him and im really mad at myself for not giving myself to Him decades ago 'cause this last year has been the best, most peaceful year of my entire life, all glory to Jesus, I was an absolute train wreck before this
it's not ambiguous. it's clear. We are not appointed to wrath, and all 7 years are wrath. I trust the Lord. I used to question the Rapture because i didn't TRUST the Lord as well. The more you know the Lord, the more you can Trust Him.
The only issue with that entire statement is that the wrath o God is not poured fully out until the second half. But trusting means nothing if you have no evidence. Back it up scripturally or don't mislead people. God judges thw earth even to this day. He judged it during Noah, during Israel's time in Egypt etc and he never removed a giant group of people from the earth to keep them from suffering or discomfort.
@ “fully?” So you are telling me that 1/4 of the population dying isn’t the Wrath? Do you read what you wrote? The Tribulation, all 7 years, is the wrath of God. All of it.
Where does the Bible say that there is a day when we will be raptured and another day after that when everything will be over? This is a sincere question.
Simple….2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that we are not gathered to be with Christ until the anti christ is revealed. It’s called exegesis and too many like to eisegesis the rapture. Dr Frank is a great teacher but he is right when he alluded that he is no expert on that subject matter. I could tell by using the thief in the night reference. If anyone is interested in more on the rapture topic, check out a book called “maybe everyone is wrong” by Terry Wolfe.
@@horseshoe804 I’m assuming, and correct me if I am wrong, but what @marinhusky8863 is saying is: you are either gonna meet him in the rapture or meet him when you die, which most people who are alive today will, more than likely, die in the next 100 years. So we should always be ready, because it can be at anytime! (Hope that helps) 😊
The tribulation will only be scary to the non believers. The Bible says that some people will die from fright. Believers will not be bothered by the tribulation because they will have nothing to worry about.
1. "The tribulation will only be scary to the non believers." - Let's talk serious here. What exactly do you think non-believers will witness (presumably soon and in horror) that all "true" believers will take delight in? What specifically? Cause that sounds wild...are you imaging a kind of left-behind scenario??? Like the actual movie? 2. "The Bible says that some people will die from fright." - Maybe you think the fear-mongering from COVID and the related deaths by stress associated with it could be a "sign"...but thats a stretch and the best I can do for your case. Otherwise, that sounds silly right? Moreover, needlessly terrible, no? 3. "Believers will not be bothered by the tribulation because they will have nothing to worry about." - This is equivalent to "Believers will no be bothered by the tribulation because they will no be bothered by the tribulation"..and must be false. If even ONE believer LOVES ONE non-believer, then they will have PLENTY to worry about. That's a fact. Please, don't forget too 1 Peter 3:15, the LOGOS isn't blind obedience, its LOGIC & REASON.
All of us who will see Jesus in the sky, that will not be the second coming! that will only be the rapture!, the second coming will be when he comes back to earth, his 2 feet on earth in Jerusalem, on the mount of olives!, after the rapture, and great tribulation!
That's the narrative that "Pre Trib" falsely paints. While Jesus Himself says that the rapture happens immediately AFTER the Tribulation - at His return.
Jesus only appears one time, and when He does every eye will see Him: Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds *_and every eye will see him,_* even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
@Joel-Serra You're wrong Joel. Jesus comes back twice but during the Rapture he comes in the air and no1 except believers will see him. Looks like you're gonna get left behind rightfully so lol
If you KNEW that vampires were coming, what would you change in your life? Would you put garlic by your front door? Well do that NOW! See how this is a ridiculous thing to say?
We know how JESUS returns 1st Thessalonians 4 the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of an archangel and the dead in CHRIST shall rise first then we which are still alive will follow. Every living soul will hear and see him it will not be a secret.
@@gordo191 at the Rapture only those born again will see the Lord. At the end of the tribulation all eyes of this left on the earth shall see the Lord coming with his Angels and Saints, saints refer to this taken in the Rapture
@gottieification The LORD returns takes us home the unsaved are cast upon the earth and arise a thousand years later this is the second ressurection then satan gathers all the generals and leaders they wage war against JESUS who has returned with the heavenly Jerusalem fire comes down from heaven and destroys them , Then JESUS will create a new heaven and earth. Read Mathew 24 this tells us we who are alive will go through tribulation in the last days. He tells us to flee into the mountains and pray that your flight does not take place in the winter or on the Sabbath day.
So the church in Philidelphia will be raptured but not the church in Smyrna? 10 Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will experience affliction for ten days. Be faithful to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. (Church in Smyrna). Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Re 2:10.
We'll know when it is near, just as Jesus teaches with the lesson of the fig tree: how we know summer is near when the branches are tender and start putting our leaves. We won't know the exaxt day or hour.
Do people not comprehend what they read Matthew 24, we will be in tribulation. Then JESUS returns with his amgels. The Angels reap the harvest ( saved people), then Jesus sets foot on earth and the day of the Lord begins.
Indeed, we shall go through the time of trouble, enduring to the end so as to be saved as he asked us to, at his personal, visible appearing. His promise in Jn 14:1-5 to take us from here to our new homes he is building for us already now, points us to leaving this sinful place, in company of all the angels, up to heaven, in sight of all the wicked, doesn't it? Anything about Jesus standing on the Mount of Olives can have its day later, after all. It's the New Jerusalem which he'll bring down with him and all the saints, when he goes to there, too. The Jews have today for their salvation, not any other option in the future....
Having heard and read the 'different' viewpoints, I decided to dig into it myself and figure out which one was 'right'. What I came to realize is the reason why there's conflict and differing viewpoints is because people are trying to fit all the scriptures about it into one single event. Everyone was right, but for the wrong reasons. The 3 viewpoints of pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation and post-tribulation are because there are actually 3 separate rapture events. The word "rapture" is from the Latin word rapturis, which was a translation from the original Greek word Harpazo. It means a sudden yanking up by force; a sudden grab and pulling up. There's also confusion over what the "tribulation" is. The tribulation the raptures are tied to, is a special time, and it's the last 7 years of this age we're in. The first age was the pre-flood world, the post-flood world which is ours, is the second age. Daniel the prophet wrote about our age (Daniel chapter 9) and it was divided up into seventy sevens, with the last 7 being the last 7 years of this age which would end with the return of Messiah, or Jesus, and that puts an end to our 2nd age. The tribulations that occur during that last 7 years are different from ordinary tribulation because they're coming from God. Ordinary tribulations are what comes from the world towards those who believe in God, which are both Israelites and those who believe in Jesus. Both groups believe in the Messiah, but the Israelites haven't yet recognized that Jesus is he. As a result, there's a special thread of historical events that happen to them specifically. Just as there was a difference between floods and the great flood, there is a difference between tribulation and the great tribulation. Both of those great events bring about the end of an age. The pre-tribulation rapture or harpazo event, is what I call the thief in the night event. It's a sudden stealth grab, without warning or fanfare. In fact it's so quiet, that it isn't until later that those who weren't taken realize something's happened. It's the one referred to by Jesus in the Parable of the 10 Wise and Foolish Virgins (Matthew 25). In the discussions of the rapture, there's also confusion over who is the bride of Christ. It's Israel. The believers in Jesus are part of him; he is the vine, we are the branches, and he is the bridegroom. We who believe in Jesus (the church) are the body of Christ, not the bride. This first harpazo event is for the faithful in Jesus. It's important to note that not everyone is taken; only those who believed and were ready. Just because you go to church or belong to a "Christian" religious group doesn't guarantee you'll be taken. You have to be doing what Jesus said and be ready. This first harpazo event starts the 7 year clock for the last 7 years, and it begins the time of the great tribulation. At the same time the first harpazo event happens, God seals 144,000 Israelites in Israel who will begin evangelizing to Israel there. They will be believers in Jesus as the Messiah. This first event however sparks a worldwide reaction, because people will be missing from all over the world. Satan and his rebellious brothers will panic, because they now know their time is short. That starts the global events like the one-world digital I.D., etc. The beast in Revelation that rises up out of the sea is actually a world economic system that all nations will embrace. The 144,000 in Israel will do their work for 3 1/2 years. During that time the leader of the one-world system who is the anti-Christ, will be moving to take Israel. He will succeed at the mid-point of the 7 years, and that's when he enters the holy of holies and sets up the abomination that causes desolation, whatever that is. It's this event that Jesus warns those IN JUDEA, to immediately flee to the hills. At that same time, the 144,000 are taken up (harpazo), and 2 witnesses suddenly appear in Jerusalem to take their place. We aren't told who they are, but they demonstrate power like some of the old testament prophets. Two harpazo events have happened (pre and mid-trib) and one is yet to come. The two witnesses work for the last 3 1/2 years until a beast that comes up from the abyss is able to overcome them. Their bodies are left there in the street in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, until they suddenly come back to life and stand up on their feet. This is when the 3rd harpazo event happens, and this is the one Paul refers to in 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18 "The dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." The "dead in Christ" are these 2 witnesses, and those who are still left are that remnant in the hills of Judea who believed Jesus and fled when the abomination was set up. At the same time, Jesus has appeared in the air, and calls these two (harpazo) up along with this remnant, as He is now coming down to the earth. This ends this age. There are those who claim the dead in Christ are all those who died who believed in Jesus, but that is not what the scripture says. It says to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord in heaven. In the context of what Paul wrote in 1st Thess. 4:18, he's talking about the return of Jesus. Those two witnesses who were from Jesus, are the ones referred to as the "dead in Christ".
Since you seem genuinely interested in this topic and clearly put real effort in, I suggest you google “John Nelson Darby” who is the first person to push the idea of a pre trib rapture in the 1800’s because he spoke to a heretical schismatic Catholic girl who had visions that he found interesting.
When he said that Christ can come tonight, he automatically subscribed to pre trib rapture. Only pre trib rapture admits the imminent coming of Christ.
Yes, and I feel he copped out. Because in America, Pre Trib "Surely, you shall not die" teaching, is the Camp with the most power, money and influence. - And with the least biblical support.
Serious questions about the doctrine of immanency The doctrine of immanency presuppose that the pretrib rapture can happen at anytime - nothing has to happen prophetically before the pretrib rapture of believers. Question When did it became a doctrine? Question Did the apostles / disciples of Jesus believed in the doctrine of immanency? Please read the following verses from John’s gospel. Peter knew he will die as an old man because Jesus told him so. Question Did Peter believe that his death at an old age will happen before or after the pretrib rapture? “Feed my sheep,” Jesus said. 18 “Truly I tell you, when you were younger, you would tie your belt and walk wherever you wanted. But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will tie you and carry you where you don’t want to go.” 19 He said this to indicate by what kind of death Peter would glorify God. After saying this, he told him, “Follow me.” 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Jn 21:17-19. 13 I think it is right, as long as I am in this bodily tent, to wake you up with a reminder, 14 since I know that I will soon lay aside my tent, as our Lord Jesus Christ has indeed made clear to me. 15 And I will also make every effort so that you are able to recall these things at any time after my departure. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Pe 1:13-15. Question Did Paul believe that he would be bound with his own belt by the Jews before or after the pretrib rapture? 10 After we had been there for several days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 He came to us, took Paul’s belt, tied his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews in Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him over to the Gentiles.’ ” 12 When we heard this, both we and the local people pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul replied, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14 Since he would not be persuaded, we said no more except, “The Lord’s will be done.” 1 1 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Ac 21:10-14 Question Paul knew he was going to die - did he believe he will die before or after the pretrib rapture? 10 My goal is to know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being conformed to his death, 11 assuming that I will somehow reach the resurrection from among the dead. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Php 3:10-11 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time for my departure is close.11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 4:6. Question Paul knew certain things will happen in the last days - did Paul believe that they will happen before or after the pretrib rapture? If after the pretrib rapture, why does he warn believers about the coming events when they wont experience them? But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 3:1-5. 3 For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, exercise self-control in everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 4:3-5
NO NO: The imminent return of Christ in SECRET is exclusive to the PRE-TRIBBERS,...or was this your suggestion, too? The visible, imminent return of Christ is hopefully his meaning, and that is taught by many, too, not least also the Seventh day Adventists.
It's like when you know your parents are coming over so you clean your house. But if they showed up whenever, you would want to keep your house tidy every day just in case they show up.
Except we know our parents exist, and they are capable of coming home. With Jesus, we have no reason to think he still exists, or that his return is even possible. It'd be like placing garlic cloves by your front door just in case vampires might be real - it's a waste of time.
That uncertainty and imminence is a part of what leads me to believe the pre trib view. To be fair, I too would lean towards other views if I conflated the rapture, the return, and the resurrection with one another.
Considering there's only one, second coming. That's impossible. There's no rapture anywhere in Rev. Which verse has that word? Revelation 22:18-19 is all I need to know to not use that word for anything involving the second coming of Christ.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ was very specific pertaining to his return date; he said it would occur in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached. He told this immediate audience that his return would usher in his kingdom and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled, in their lifetime. For your consideration: The rapture theory usually derives from 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. In both cases, Paul is simply telling the church members they are about to experience the resurrection (Pauls' term because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/revealing/revelation of Jesus Christ. He is very clear, that they will be alive, breathing, at the event. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses. Part of this law had feast days/convocations/practice rehearsals, all pointing to Messiah, the better resurrection. The following is a verse-by-verse breakdown for the Thessalonians; please note, Paul told these church members six (6) times they will witness, be breathing, at the revelation, chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.(Don't be ignorant about what happens when you physically/biologically die. Where do you go to reside? Heaven) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(The gathering, as prophesied, the final harvest, Sukkot, is about to happen. Your friends, although residing in heaven, are not going to miss, or not participate, in the gathering of the sons of God. This is the last feast, the last trumpet, the last day, that Christ told us about in John 6 four times, it is about to happen) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.("WE" are people breathing today, Thessalonian church members in the first century, to whom the letter was addressed. We will not go before, we will not precede, the believers who are already in heaven in the order of the resurrection event) 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:(Christ said he would return in our lifetime. Our friends, the dead in Christ, residing in heaven, will participate first in the gathering. There is an order to the event. Christ is being sent from heaven, for the final Yom Kippur (Hebrews 9), thus, if you reside in heaven, then you are considered first in line. Next, "we" who live on the earth will participate in the resurrection. Remember what I told the Ephesian church members: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. This is what is about to happen.) 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.("WE" that are breathing on the earth, will join them in the gathering. Remember Peter saying: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.) The New Jerusalem that Abraham sought, the heavenly city that Hebrews 11 & 12 said would come, is about to happen. John told us in Revelation that God and his Son will tabernacle/dwell with us in this heavenly city, where the gates are never shut; this is about to happen, fulfilling Sukkot, the final ingathering, the final harvest, it did.) this message is sent in love, your friend
@@MathiasVIKING0403 The RAPTURE is NOT the "Second Coming". That's conflating two separate events. Jesus was with the 3 Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, so how was the BIRTH the First Coming? Jesus is here, with me, right now. HE will appear in the sky. He will take his Bride before the wrath, just like He alluded to with Lot (Sodom was destroyed only AFTER Lot was snatched from it...not through it)
Tribulation is already happening in most parts of the world. The rapture is a very “rich comfortable American/European” worldview that makes no sense at all anywhere else in the world
The rapture theory usually derives from 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. In both cases, Paul is simply telling the church members they are about to experience the resurrection (Pauls' term because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/revealing/revelation of Jesus Christ. He is very clear, that they will be alive, breathing, at the event. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses. Part of this law had feast days/convocations/practice rehearsals, all pointing to Messiah, the better resurrection. The following is a verse-by-verse breakdown for the Thessalonians; please note, Paul told these church members six (6) times they will witness, be breathing, at the revelation, chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.(Don't be ignorant about what happens when you physically/biologically die. Where do you go to reside? Heaven) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(The gathering, as prophesied, the final harvest, Sukkot, is about to happen. Your friends, although residing in heaven, are not going to miss, or not participate, in the gathering of the sons of God. This is the last feast, the last trumpet, the last day, that Christ told us about in John 6 four times, it is about to happen) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.("WE" are people breathing today, Thessalonian church members in the first century, to whom the letter was addressed. We will not go before, we will not precede, the believers who are already in heaven in the order of the resurrection event) 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:(Christ said he would return in our lifetime. Our friends, the dead in Christ, residing in heaven, will participate first in the gathering. There is an order to the event. Christ is being sent from heaven, for the final Yom Kippur (Hebrews 9), thus, if you reside in heaven, then you are considered first in line. Next, "we" who live on the earth will participate in the resurrection. Remember what I told the Ephesian church members: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. This is what is about to happen.) 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.("WE" that are breathing on the earth, will join them in the gathering. Remember Peter saying: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.) The New Jerusalem that Abraham sought, the heavenly city that Hebrews 11 & 12 said would come, is about to happen. John told us in Revelation that God and his Son will tabernacle/dwell with us in this heavenly city, where the gates are never shut; this is about to happen, fulfilling Sukkot, the final ingathering, the final harvest, it did.) this message is sent in love, your friend
@@robertschmidt9296 Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ told the apostles he would return in their lifetime, Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. They were all martyred less John, who was alive at the revelation, read the end of his gospel, John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Christ told the priesthood directly to their face that they would witness his revelation, quoting Daniel, Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Every New Testament author told their immediate audience that they would witness the revelation/resurrection/restitution/reformation of Jesus Christ, without fail. How could they be so bold? Because Christ told everyone: Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Most of the original disciples were still alive at the revelation; 1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. Did Paul tell the Corinthian church members they would witness, be alive, be breathing, at the revelation? Emphatically yes, at the very beginning of their first letter; 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. What about Pauls' letter to the Thessalonians? How many times does Paul tell these church members in 5 chapters that they will witness the revelation? In every single chapter. chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23 What about James? James sent a letter out to every Hebrew/Jew on the planet, all 12 tribes would have read his letter. Here is what he told them: 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. If you invite someone to your house and they are standing at your door, how much closer can they get before entering your house? Christ was told by his Father to reveal himself in the first century. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.........no one knows the day or hour? that's a lie, God just told his son to reveal himself, almost 2,000 years ago, and to do it shortly, he did, it is finished. your friend
@@robertschmidt9296 1 Thessalonians 5: “16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” KJV 1 Corinthians 15: “51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
Matthew 16:27-28 NIV [27] For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. [28] “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
@@markd3250 I think a lot of them saw it. Jesus came into His kingdom when He was resurrected and seated at the right hand of power, receiving the glory He shared with the Father before the foundation of the world. He returns in the final chapter of Matthew and proclaims "all power" in Heaven and on Earth has been given unto Him. In Philippians 2, it explains the Father highly exalted Him and bestowed upon Him the name above all names, so that every knee shall bow before Him. Essentially He received the "crown" and became King of Kings receiving all the nations as His inheritance. He does not return to claim this inheritance until the 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11.
The rapture happens at Christs coming, after the tribulation. Believers in Christ will still be on earth when the tribulation happens. But those who have the Seal of God will endure the tribulation period, God will be with us during it. Those who do not endure the tribulation, do not have Christ and unfortunately are Marked by the beast. Even if those Sealed by God died during the tribulation, they will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" (John 3:10). People love to talk about Jesus, but they don't know much about him.
@@Es-ch3nn Yes I understand that the Word of God is prescriptive and descriptive. Cheese and rice dude you've copy/pasted that lame comment everywhere... Chill kid...
Best answer nobody knows , just wait on the LORD. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Tribulation is already happening in most parts of the world. The rapture is a very “rich comfortable American/European” worldview that makes no sense at all anywhere else in the world
"Always be ready" i could not have said it any better. Stay strong in your Faith, Trust and Love of our Savior Jesus Christ. He is the only worthy of being a Role Model to try your hardest to emulate. Not the flawed individuals that most people usually look too such as Movie Stars, Musicians, Athletes, Politicians etc.. Godbless
Are you always ready for every possible thing in life, including things that may not even be possible? Do you put garlic by your front door just in case vampires are real, for example?
@LifeAsALayman what are you talking about? Do you actually believe in vampires? What does always being ready for Christ's return have to do with garlic or your belief in vampires?
@ That's exactly the point. You don't bother to take cautionary measures against something that you don't think is even real, right? The idea that we need to "always be ready" for Jesus is pointless for the same reason.
Which denomination is Frank Turek in? Like most preachers, he knows more about the Scriptures than I do. I don't think I've ever heard him assess anything in the Bible contrary to my understanding of it. Well, unless he's a Calvinist. Denying the free will of man destroys accountability for sin, justness of punishing sin, and negates the Gospel.
If a repture happened and we would be sure it was saved ones going up or Christ coming back then that would actually be good evidence, I will say that.
Yeah, it will be called evidence for alien abduction, or evidence for mass viral deaths, or something silly... Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, but the majority... Still fools sad to say.
@@Es-ch3nn No I don't understand that Mathew 16:27 - 28 was not written to me because I didn't know who is was written to, I was just going off what I hear people say, but what does that have to do with what I am saying anyways?
@@gi169 Yes but not yeah that it would be called evidence for alien abduction or evidence for mass viral deaths or something silly. it is only referring to Christian's leaving and the Christian story. It would be weird if aliens were doing that. And a mass viral death for only them and not anyone else would be odd too, especially at the same time. I don't think it would be anything you call silly like that but maybe there is something, I am just not sure. Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, I think tons will though because it's true evidence, besides those that maybe didn't witness it and are really picky. But no it wouldn't be the majority... to say that then "but the majority, still fools sad to say" doesn't seem right unless there is some good theory of what it actually was or maybe if it didn't get confirmed, but then that would be reasonable and not to say.
Yes but not yeah that it would be called evidence for alien abduction or evidence for mass viral deaths or something silly. it is only referring to Christinats leaving and the Chrsitant story. It would be weird if aliens were doing that. And a mass viral death for only them and not anyone else would be odd too, especially at the same time. I don't think it would be anything you call silly like that but maybe there is something, I am just not sure. Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, I think tons will though because it's true evidence, besides those that maybe didn't witness it and are really picky. But it wouldn't be the majority... still fools sad to say doesn't seem right unless there is some good theory of what it actually was or maybe if it didn't get confirmed, but then that would be reasonable and not to say.
"We will be caught up", "we will be changed in the blink of an eye", the angels "will gather the Elect from the four winds", "our gathering unto Him". Matthew 24 "immediately AFTER the Tribulation".
Frank, you didn't answer the ladies' questions. It wasn't about when, the question was "do you believe in the rapture ". So, do you believe in the rapture?
Yikes David, you need to listen better. She asks him what is opinion on the rapture is....not whether he believes it. Obviously, he believes it if he says "always be ready."
There are some pre cursors. I’ll just drop one here. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 clearly says that there will be a great apostasy/falling away from the truth. People walking away from the faith. Not the world, the people who are within will walk away before he returns. It’s clear in that whole chapter then the restrainer will be removed. Now there is an opinion on whether that is the church or the spirit of God but when you read that chapter it looks like the restrainer is the church. That’s just one example. So when you start seeing more and more walking away you can rest assured that we are getting closer.
Being ready for Jesus to appear in glory to fetch us is the key, rather than us being removed from an anti-christ; not looking for a secret rapture, right?
Based on study and knowledge of what happens during the tribulation period, I can’t wrap my head around how the savior would allow his bride to go through 7 years of great suffering, persecution and judgement. That’s like a Groom beating his bride before he takes her home to live together forever. Essentially, I take the pretrib argument. Either way it goes, I just want to be ready!
Only a Westerner with no insight into Church history could believe in that false argument. The Church has been facing persecution and martyrdom ever since the stoning of Stephen. "If they have persecuted me, they *will" persecute you." In northern Nigeria, so many if our sisters have become widows, as their husbands, our brothers, are "beat up" and martyred for the Name of Christ. And you do know what happens to anyone caught with a Bible in North Korea? Pre Trib is a LIE, in line with the false prosperity gospel. I can hear the Serpent whisper "Surely, you shall not die..."
Being ready for his appearing is the true end we look to in hope, and his hand will protect us through any an all difficult times, too. It won't be 7 years of troubles - Jesus never taught that, for he said it would be shortened for our own sakes, amen. Small encouragements, PTL. There'll be trials for us but no judgements for we are delivered from divine wrath through Jesus, already and then too, as we persevere, amen.
@@Colin-to1nv That's right Jesus - and Daniel - never taught a seven year tribulation. Daniel wrote that the Abomination of Antichrist happens at the *midpoint* of the seven years. And Jesus says that the Abomination triggers the Great Tribulation. So there is no support for a seven year Great Tribulation.
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The Rapture and Resurrection of the dead takes place between the 6th and 7th Seals. This time is also the day of the Lord when God pours out His wrath which believers are not appointed to.
Matt24:27-31. He says he is coming back after the tribulation. This is the same description as seal 6 in rev. Which is called the Day of the Lord. Lots of verses on that.
@Es-ch3nn it was written to the generation that will see the cosmological signs mentioned in matt24:29-30. The sun is permanently darkened, the moon is permanently darkened. The stars fall to earth. This is the exact same signs spoken of in rev 6 called the sixth seal. Also called the Day of the Lord. That is who it is written to. The people that witness rev19:11-21. The return of Jesus as God Almighty. Go read it.
I marvel at the lack of understanding of many public ministries. I have yet to see a "smarter" than me person with an understanding of the second coming. Frank parrots what most of these men say who have pulled out of context verses such as "no one knows the day or hour"...Why does the word tell us that we are children of the day and that we are not to walk in darkness?
Our king and savior is coming back! Discussing details and interpretations makes me weary. Sometimes it will comfort me more if scolars say we just don’t know exactly. Especially when the book of revelations is being discussed
The one thing that's probably more imminent than the rapture is our own personal death. Live every day as if it's your last. We never know when the end will come. Our very own personal "end of time."
Maybe one day Turek will take the time to learn Jewish apocalyptic thought. After all, Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew. You understand that, you’ll understand the timing concern.
Bible is relatively clear he comes back after tribulation. But personally I am ready for everything. But be ready for the hard times allways. Where we are real tested
It is not clear that is says that, to me its quite clear he could come at any time for the church. It is clear the Second Coming is after the Tribulation.
@LifeAsALayman There’s always going to be disagreement. All that matters is what the Bible says and in my opinion, and millions of others opinion, there will be a Rapture. We are not appointed to God's wrath. Jesus said that he is going to prepare a place for us and will come for us, that where he is we will be also. Plus in 1 Corinthians 15: 51-58, it says there will be a "Mystery", where some will not sleep (die) as others do, that the dead will rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be "caught up" (Raptured) to be with the Lord.
When Jesus says He will return like a thief in the night, He is obviously not talking about the Second Coming, because everyone will see that, and the worldly will mourn. He is talking about the rapture. So the question is not IF the rapture, but when. And it doesn't make sense for it to be post trib, or else who will be the "Sheep" that enter the kingdom when the "Goats" are sent into eternal punishment? There are Tribulation Saints, and lots of them. So now the question is, Pre-Trib, or Mid-Trib? I think the fact the Church is not mentioned on earth after Rev 3, all the way till 19, in other words before the advent of antichrist, is the key. Conclusion: Pre-trib rapture, Pre-mill Second Coming.
Show me a bunch of men of God being spared? We never have been, why would be expect not to go through tribulations? Seems much more dangerous to assume we won’t be.
3 examples come to mind. Noah and his family. Moses and the Hebrews at the Red Sea. Lot in Sodom. Tribulations in life, yes. THE tribulation, no. The purpose of the tribulation is to deal with unbelieving Israel mostly. That is why its called Jacobs sorrows.
@lionheartmerrill1069 Mat 24:30 ISV Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all ‘the tribes of the land will mourn’ when they see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. Mat 24:34 ISV I tell all of you with certainty, this generation won’t disappear until these things happen. He told the apostles this generation wont disappear and that generation would see the son of man coming on the clouds!
The problem is the devil did not know that by Jesus's death people can be reconciled to God. He would think the same as the Jews would , that the Messiah would be a living saviour who would bring Israel to victory. The Jews eventually found that Jesus wouldn't do that, so they crucified him. The devil would think Jesus' death won't matter either, even if the devil knew he was the Son of God. So they killed him to later find out they're wrong.
Post trib is fact. I can agree to disagree with the pre trib crowd, but I don't consider post millennials and amillenials to be Bible believing Christians. Also, 1 Cor 2 : 8 says the "princes" didn't know Jesus was the Lord of Glory. But there's no possible way Satan didn't know exactly who Jesus is. Not only should he have known since he personally knew Jesus before his fall, and not only would he know every single one of the messianic prophecies better than mankind knows it, but there's several scriptures where Satan goes into people such as Judas and Peter in order to sabotage Christ's mission. Satan wouldn't bother doing any of that if he thought Jesus of Nazareth was just a man or a powerful prophet of God. In fact, this is one of the biggest mysteries of the Bible, why Satan would even allow Pilate to crucify Jesus knowing the Scriptures. Satan had to know Jesus was God's Holy One if even his underling demons knew it. The only rational conclusion I can come to is that Satan has an extremely explicit legal contract with God which spells out precisely what he is and is not allowed to do. But then that also leads into my number one mystery of the Bible: Why wouldn't Satan just fall on his face before God and beg for forgiveness rather than continue his plan to establish a one world government? What possible chance or loophole does he possibly think he can exploit to "win" over almighty God who sees the end from the beginning?
@ John 14 and 1 Thes was. You don't agree, fine. This isn't a salvation issue so I don't see why everyone is getting their little feathers ruffled. I think we should all follow Jesus' example of extending grace , even to the unlearned.
Frank, I am disappointed in your statement, "there are those who are smarter then me that have different views" - yet we find in the scriptures this very warning, that by being wise in our own eyes, you become fools. God's word is not meant to be hard, or difficult to understand, for those who truly seek to understand the word of God. 1 Thes 4:16-17 should give a very clear picture of what is going to happen, and knowing that this very passage is describing the rapture of the Church. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We aren't going to be taken up into the clouds and then immediately upon doing so, come right back down with Jesus, no, for we find other parts to the actual second coming of Jesus that is very different from the rapture. In this passage I quoted above from the word of God, it does not indicate anywhere before or after, that Jesus then comes down to the earth, but we do find in Revelation, that the saints return adorned in white garments as we follow Jesus on horseback from the clouds, and behold Jesus (the Lamb of God) destroying the armies that opposed Israel. We know Jesus prepared a place for all true believers, in John 14:2, and that we will be taken to be with him during the 7 year tribulation that happens on earth, as those who were caught up in the rapture will be celebrating with Jesus, as we are taken out of the way of the wrath of God. I do not understand how so many professing believers will argue this and even some proclaim it is a "false gospel" and people like me are going to hell for preaching a false gospel. I can only pray and trust in the Lord my God that he will open the eyes of more people before the rapture happens.
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” - Matthew 16:28. What does it mean to be "standing here"?
@jeffreyjdesir You must read the next part Jeffrey. What happens next in the Word of God? You need to read all around the places in the Bible that confuse you... Hint brother this is easily googled... When you don't understand something trust in Jesus...
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ was very clear. He told everyone that he would return in their lifetime. He told the apostles. He told the priesthood directly to their face that they would witness his revelation, quoting Daniel. He told them directly to their face that the kingdom would be taken from them, quoting Isaiah 5 in Matthew 21:33-45, word for word. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses and the prophets. He said he would do both before some of them died, tasted death. He told the apostles they wouldn't even finish going over the cities of Israel and he would be back. They were all martyred, less John, who was alive at the revelation (Peter & Johns' terms) resurrection (Pauls' term) coming of the Lord (James' term). He was, read the end of Johns' gospel. your friend
Not really with Frank on this, yes there are different interpretations, no people are not necessarily liars for reaching obviously wrong conclusions, but I don't believe the Lord intended this to be a mystery, and Frank does no one any favors by suggesting so.
@@kurtf4111 It doesn't matter how clearly the Bible teaches some doctrines, some people will say it's not in there. Same with people and their sins of preference, so everyone, and you and I too, should read carefully and with supplication to the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to us.
@@georgelugenalt200 So, you're somehow smarter than apologists, who've spent their entire lives and careers dedicated to this subject? Everyone should believe you, a random person online?
@@kurtf4111 Don't be silly, nothing to do with intelligence. I believe it's strategic in nature. No need to pick fight over specifics when the church needs unity in these last days. There are people who teach obviously wrong things, and many do it for their own purposes, God will judge. Not all of these arguments can realistically be won. Since eschatology is not a salvation issue, it's less important to dispute it, than other things. That far I can go, no problem. Focus on the saving Gospel, no problem. But, at least in my opinion, one could at least say "so I know many will disagree with me but this is how I see it" and let the hearer decide for themselves. This is what I think Frank should have done, but he does not answer to me, and perhaps he has hard data giving solid salvation based reasons why he answers how he does. No everyone should not believe me. They should read and pray and discern the word of God, who is not a God of confusion but of peace. And we will all find out shortly won't we? But as to the apologists who have "spent their lives", no they have probably not done so, they more likely just skim over it, and focus on other issues. A detailed, honest reading of all the scriptures related to the end times should logically conclude Pre Mil, and either Pre or Mid trib rapture. The A-mil or post mill folks, and the no- rapture folks, are just not paying attention, and the post Trib rapture folks are just leaving out a step of logic. Not something you go to hell for, so less of a problem than say, teaching a false Gospel. Ive given you more time than you've earned with your juvenile, non-scriptural questions. This is not a popularity contest or some high-school debate club "oh you think you're better than me??" challenge. This is scripture, treat it with the respect it deserves.
@@georgelugenalt200 church needs unity, but you spit off comments about how you're not with Frank on this? You are part of the problem. Frank stayed fairly neutral on the topic. But, you had to open your mouth. You are the exact kind of reason why there is divide.
Wacht our teachings about 2030. That year Jesús fullfill 2000 years. Also the kingdom of GOD was given to Salomon 3000 years ago. The profets spoke about the years BEFORE very IMPORTANT things to happen.
While at the same time Frank has said that Satan can read minds. Well satan knew the man was Jesus Christ. If Satan couldnt read the mind of Jesus, then satan would know there is something VERY intriguing with him. And just look at the powers and miracles that Jesus performed which satan witnessed, but yet Franks thinks that satan wasnt aware if it was really the Son of God?
@@tymz-r-achangin That was for you to think about. I'm not interested in a discussion with you. Besides silly person, this is the comment section not the discussion section.🤨🤔🧐
@@gi169 Right and so according to your self-serving definition, its just the comment section therefore you can throw out your blabber and then make up dumb excuses for your lack of ability to provide anything intelligent.
There are only two comings of Jesus Christ. The first is when He became man to redeem us 2000 years ago. The second is when He comes back to straighten out this fallen world for a millennium. The rapture is is Jesus calls His own to come to Him in the air. That particular time has no known time. Only The Father knows.
[2Pe 3:3-4 KJV] 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. There is nothing ambiguous about what Christ said, zero. Christ told the apostles, everyone, the priesthood, that he would return in their lifetime. He did. He established his kingdom exactly when he said he would. This is the reason no one has seen or heard from a prophet of God (not self-appointed) in 2,000 years. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses and the prophets. He did, all of them. The New Jerusalem, where the gates are never shut, has been a reality for 2,000 years and has no end. your friend
Of more importance than the timing of the rapture, is are you sure about your salvation, because Jesus Himself said MANY will (paraphrase) think they are saved and going to Heaven but HE DOES NOT KNOW THEM. It's not a matter of do you know Him, but does He know YOU? There are new-agers who think Jesus is an ascended master who think they know Jesus but the one they "know" is not Christ, the Word of God. Folks, make certain of your salvation. Ask yourself the hard questions and READ your Bible. Do not depend on others for your Bible knowledge because what if they are wrong? What if they are preaching a doctrine of salvation that is not the Gospel of Christ but is from the enemy? Will you know? Folks, make certain you are right with Christ and do it now. Like a young woman who went to sleep one night and did not wake up, you might not see tomorrow either. Don't wait. Your eternal destination hinges on Christ.
‘Rapturists’ just want to fly off into the air, but they miss the main point, RESURRECTION!!! Jesus is the first to have been resurrected, & he promised to come back to RESURRECT the dead & then the dead & the living will be taken up : the ‘sheep/ wheat’ Will be taken into heaven, the ‘goats/weeds’ Will be thrown into hell
Trust the Lord and do not lean on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5). Too many people twist Gods Word to suit what makes them feel comfortable or to fit with their understanding. Read it for what it is. The rapture and His second coming already occurred with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70AD. All His prophesies in Matthew have been fulfilled. Matthew 16: 27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, THERE ARE SOME STANDING HERE WHO WILL NOT TASTE DEATH until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Jesus is not talking to us, He is speaking to His disciples and some of them did not taste death until they saw Him coming in the glory of His Father. His second coming..
Nobody is more likely to be fooled by the anti christ than people who believe in the Rapture because they won’t believe the anti christ has truly come because they haven’t been raptured.
Conjectures everywhere. But explain to me how born again believers can be fooled by the devil? We have the Holy Spirit who leads us . We have God's word teaching us.
@kimwestwood8840 Thank you. I hear post tribulation believers saying that nonsense all the time as a way to guilt trip pre tribulation believers, and it literally makes no sense.
@@kimwestwood8840 if you have the Holy Spirit to lead you, why do you believe in the unScriptural pretrib rapture theory? The Holy Spirit will not contradict Scripture so you seriously need to examine who is really leading you.
@@robertschmidt9296 Why do people insist they are right, and pretribbers need to be led by the Holy Spirit cause they are wrong ? I find that terribly disheartening . Why don't you work on you . If this was 100% clear why do so many much smarter theologians disagree on this?
@kimwestwood8840 looks like both of our comments have been deleted. The Holy Spirit will lead you to the truth. The pretrib rapture theory conflicts with Scripture so the Holy Spirit will not confirm the pretrib rapture theory. Learn to read Scripture for what it actually says and not from the mindset of what you are taught that it says. Don't add your interpretation or anyone else's into it. Scripture interprets itself. It might be in the Torah or the prophets but it is there. Realize that the Bible isn't the past vs the present, it's all one. If a "smart" theologian can't agree with Scripture, it's because he is reading from the mindset of what he was taught that it says.
True we must be watchful & prayerful as written in St. Mark 13:32-37. But, The question is “What is your view ?” St. John 5:28&29, St. Matthew 24:27…There is only one second coming according to Holy Bible where rapture happens as written in 1 Thessalonians 14-18…if you are a true apologist, you must tell the listener very clearly and not cleverly…[not like our Lord taught in parables]…😊
😂 Frank Turek that is so smart he tells everyone what to believe but yet he can’t explain what he believes about the rapture because there are people so much smarter than he is that have differing opinions. 😳 this guy is screwy!
He explained it well. Just like in the OT time, people had no idea of Jesus coming the way He came and it was concealed deliberately, in the same way the end times are concealed and nobody actually knows how it will come to be precisely.
@ The Bible is clear that Jesus is coming for his bride, the church, all born-again believers, before the start of Daniel’s 70th week. Daniel chapter 9 verses 24 through 27 give the exact timeline of the coming of the Messiah. The Jews should have known that after 69 weeks, 69 7s, 483 years, Messiah would be cut off; die. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Many Christians are ignorant of what the Bible teaches because, they don’t read and study the scriptures, and because churches they attend don’t teach the scriptures. I know Jesus is coming in a pre-tribulation rapture because Daniel’s 70th week has nothing to do with the bride of Christ. The seven remaining years to be fulfilled in the 70 weeks that have been determined upon the nation of Israel and upon Jerusalem Will begin after the rapture. In the middle of that seven year period The beast will declare himself to be God in an event referred to as the abomination of desolation. It is all spelled out clearly in the Scriptures!
@ I am. Frank is not afraid to say what he thinks about anything but when it comes to the rapture he suddenly claims there are those who know better than him; well I am one of those! It’s pre-trib!
Why does anyone even care about whether the rapture is true or not? It probably isn't, because that would give away His return wouldn't it? To even put a date on it is plain dumb, even if they are scholars. And if you're one of those who have been throwing out prophetic words about all sorts of stuff and also about this, well you'll keep being wrong so everyone knows you're a quack. If you aren't 100% correct, well...
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Isaiah 13 was fulfilled in the 6th century BCE. The prophecy was against Babylon, who was destroyed by the Medes/Persians, per the scriptures. your friend
How many times did God come with clouds and glory in the old testament? And when he did, he always brought judgement on that nation. (Think Babylon, Egypt or Israel) God came with the same judgment in ad 70 just as Jesus predicted he would in Mathew 23-24..during that generation. Please brothers, atheists use this argument against us all the time.. pre-melininial dispensationalism is not biblical.
If the powers and principalities knew who Jesus was they would have never crucified the Lord of Glory?? Are you kidding me Frank?? There was nothing "ambiguous" about Jesus coming the first time, because all the prophets before him fortold of his coming, where it would be, and so on. The prophets of the Old Testament told us that Jesus own people would not know him, and would reject him, because they were expecting a Messiah that was going to free them from oppressions and guide them into victory over Rome and the rest of the world. His own people did not understand why their Messiah (which they rejected in the end), would not give them the victory at that time, but we know! We know Jesus had to come to save us first, before he could return to take the victory. Frank, I know you mean well, and have a lot of knowledge of the scriptures, but some of your line of thinking and professing other people with fancy titles and letters after their name in Biblical studies are somehow more right then what the Holy Spirit will testify to those who read, study, and meditate on the word themselves. This is why Paul speaks highly of the Bereans who tested everything Paul preached, by looking at the Old Testament scriptures they had available to them, to confirm the truth of the coming Messiah and how he would die for us, (Issiah 53). There should not be any confusion on this very subject, but one of hope and something we are all looking forward to.
Yikes, you need to listen better. She asks him what is opinion on the rapture is....not whether he believes it. Obviously, he believes it if he says "always be ready."
@kurtf4111 that not true be ready could mean cause you don't know the time and the hour of the Lord's return. Also the rapture is a 1800s invention never taught in the churchs till now .u shud study more.
"But YOU Brethren are NOT in darkness so that the DAY will overcome YOU like a thief."
Amen. ❤Looking up. Rescue is soon. We are not in darkness.
@ it's a double entendre.
AMEN! MARANATHA!!!
@brown_recidivist When THEY say "peace and safety", sudden destruction will come on THEM.
But YOU Brethren are not in darkness, so that the DAY will overcome YOU like a thief.
Pre Trib teaches that the *rapture* will come "like a thief".
But here, it says the DAY comes like a thief over "them" that say "peace and security" - and contrasts it with "Brethren" who are "not in darkness".
@ingela_injeela were not arguing about this anymore, end of discussion.
"...forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us..."
That is the Law. Through Christ's sacrifice we forgive because he first forgave us. The 'Lord's Prayer' was Jesus instructing Jews under the Law how to pray and is not applicable to new covenant believers.
'Looking for that Blessed hope, and the Glorious Appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.' - Titus 2:13
If you want to live wickedly right up until before the time of HIS return because you know the exact date HE'S returning, you're not born again.
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" - 1 John 5:1
@OmgKyo In this the children of GOD and the children of the devil are manifest, whoever does not practice righteousness is not of GOD nor is he that does not love his brother. 1st John 3:10.
@@stevehernandez1357 so what does this passage have to do with being born again lol.
@OmgKyo it's an evidence of it
@@stevehernandez1357 I hear you. I would personally hold to the evidence of being born again, due to the scripture telling us we are born again. Amen
Im so glad that He at least gave us the season 'cause i totally did clean up my act out of fear at first but through giving everything to Him I've genuinely fallen in love with Him and im really mad at myself for not giving myself to Him decades ago 'cause this last year has been the best, most peaceful year of my entire life, all glory to Jesus, I was an absolute train wreck before this
Even if you knew the day you don't know your last breath.
it's not ambiguous. it's clear. We are not appointed to wrath, and all 7 years are wrath. I trust the Lord. I used to question the Rapture because i didn't TRUST the Lord as well. The more you know the Lord, the more you can Trust Him.
Amen to that
Thank you Scott and I agree 100%
The only issue with that entire statement is that the wrath o God is not poured fully out until the second half. But trusting means nothing if you have no evidence. Back it up scripturally or don't mislead people. God judges thw earth even to this day. He judged it during Noah, during Israel's time in Egypt etc and he never removed a giant group of people from the earth to keep them from suffering or discomfort.
@ “fully?” So you are telling me that 1/4 of the population dying isn’t the Wrath? Do you read what you wrote? The Tribulation, all 7 years, is the wrath of God. All of it.
Where does the Bible say that there is a day when we will be raptured and another day after that when everything will be over? This is a sincere question.
Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call upon him while he is near;
✨🍂Isaiah 55.6
Watch and be ready...
Simple….2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that we are not gathered to be with Christ until the anti christ is revealed. It’s called exegesis and too many like to eisegesis the rapture. Dr Frank is a great teacher but he is right when he alluded that he is no expert on that subject matter. I could tell by using the thief in the night reference. If anyone is interested in more on the rapture topic, check out a book called “maybe everyone is wrong” by Terry Wolfe.
We in the Orthodox Church have a very clear position on the second coming of Christ...We are for it!!
No matter when He returns, you will see him in less than 100 years. Always be ready to meet Him.
@@marinhusky8863 True.
how do you know that?
@@horseshoe804 I’m assuming, and correct me if I am wrong, but what @marinhusky8863 is saying is: you are either gonna meet him in the rapture or meet him when you die, which most people who are alive today will, more than likely, die in the next 100 years. So we should always be ready, because it can be at anytime! (Hope that helps) 😊
@horseshoe804 They consider a human life span.
The tribulation will only be scary to the non believers. The Bible says that some people will die from fright. Believers will not be bothered by the tribulation because they will have nothing to worry about.
1. "The tribulation will only be scary to the non believers."
- Let's talk serious here. What exactly do you think non-believers will witness (presumably soon and in horror) that all "true" believers will take delight in? What specifically? Cause that sounds wild...are you imaging a kind of left-behind scenario??? Like the actual movie?
2. "The Bible says that some people will die from fright."
- Maybe you think the fear-mongering from COVID and the related deaths by stress associated with it could be a "sign"...but thats a stretch and the best I can do for your case. Otherwise, that sounds silly right? Moreover, needlessly terrible, no?
3. "Believers will not be bothered by the tribulation because they will have nothing to worry about."
- This is equivalent to "Believers will no be bothered by the tribulation because they will no be bothered by the tribulation"..and must be false. If even ONE believer LOVES ONE non-believer, then they will have PLENTY to worry about. That's a fact. Please, don't forget too 1 Peter 3:15, the LOGOS isn't blind obedience, its LOGIC & REASON.
All of us who will see Jesus in the sky, that will not be the second coming! that will only be the rapture!, the second coming will be when he comes back to earth, his 2 feet on earth in Jerusalem, on the mount of olives!, after the rapture, and great tribulation!
You're 100% right Thank you!
That's the narrative that "Pre Trib" falsely paints. While Jesus Himself says that the rapture happens immediately AFTER the Tribulation - at His return.
Jesus only appears one time, and when He does every eye will see Him:
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds *_and every eye will see him,_* even those who pierced him,
and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
@Joel-Serra You're wrong Joel. Jesus comes back twice but during the Rapture he comes in the air and no1 except believers will see him. Looks like you're gonna get left behind rightfully so lol
@@brown_recidivist that last sentence was an unkind reply to Joel
Mathew 24 29-31 explains it perfectly. The sky will turn black, and the stars will fall from heaven , THEN you will see Jesus
If you KNEW when the 2nd coming was, what would you change in your life? Well Do That NOW.
So wise!! Amen
Amen...
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A buddy of mine said that to me many many years ago.
@@stevenwiederholt7000
That was not a buddy, he was a brother... God bless...
If you KNEW that vampires were coming, what would you change in your life? Would you put garlic by your front door? Well do that NOW!
See how this is a ridiculous thing to say?
We know how JESUS returns 1st Thessalonians 4 the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of an archangel and the dead in CHRIST shall rise first then we which are still alive will follow. Every living soul will hear and see him it will not be a secret.
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@Es-ch3nn what do you mean ?
@@gordo191 at the Rapture only those born again will see the Lord. At the end of the tribulation all eyes of this left on the earth shall see the Lord coming with his Angels and Saints, saints refer to this taken in the Rapture
@gottieification The LORD returns takes us home the unsaved are cast upon the earth and arise a thousand years later this is the second ressurection then satan gathers all the generals and leaders they wage war against JESUS who has returned with the heavenly Jerusalem fire comes down from heaven and destroys them , Then JESUS will create a new heaven and earth. Read Mathew 24 this tells us we who are alive will go through tribulation in the last days. He tells us to flee into the mountains and pray that your flight does not take place in the winter or on the Sabbath day.
@@Es-ch3nn who do you think it is is written to then ?
Rev 3:10. Enough said. Thank you Jesus 👑🙏
So the church in Philidelphia will be raptured but not the church in Smyrna?
10 Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will experience affliction for ten days. Be faithful to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. (Church in Smyrna).
Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Re 2:10.
We'll know when it is near, just as Jesus teaches with the lesson of the fig tree: how we know summer is near when the branches are tender and start putting our leaves. We won't know the exaxt day or hour.
Do people not comprehend what they read
Matthew 24, we will be in tribulation. Then JESUS returns with his amgels. The Angels reap the harvest ( saved people), then Jesus sets foot on earth and the day of the Lord begins.
Yes you will be if you’re not saved…
They can't comprehend what they read because they read through the mindset of what they were mistakenly taught that it says.
Indeed, we shall go through the time of trouble, enduring to the end so as to be saved as he asked us to, at his personal, visible appearing. His promise in Jn 14:1-5 to take us from here to our new homes he is building for us already now, points us to leaving this sinful place, in company of all the angels, up to heaven, in sight of all the wicked, doesn't it? Anything about Jesus standing on the Mount of Olives can have its day later, after all. It's the New Jerusalem which he'll bring down with him and all the saints, when he goes to there, too. The Jews have today for their salvation, not any other option in the future....
Having heard and read the 'different' viewpoints, I decided to dig into it myself and figure out which one was 'right'. What I came to realize is the reason why there's conflict and differing viewpoints is because people are trying to fit all the scriptures about it into one single event. Everyone was right, but for the wrong reasons. The 3 viewpoints of pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation and post-tribulation are because there are actually 3 separate rapture events. The word "rapture" is from the Latin word rapturis, which was a translation from the original Greek word Harpazo. It means a sudden yanking up by force; a sudden grab and pulling up.
There's also confusion over what the "tribulation" is. The tribulation the raptures are tied to, is a special time, and it's the last 7 years of this age we're in. The first age was the pre-flood world, the post-flood world which is ours, is the second age. Daniel the prophet wrote about our age (Daniel chapter 9) and it was divided up into seventy sevens, with the last 7 being the last 7 years of this age which would end with the return of Messiah, or Jesus, and that puts an end to our 2nd age. The tribulations that occur during that last 7 years are different from ordinary tribulation because they're coming from God. Ordinary tribulations are what comes from the world towards those who believe in God, which are both Israelites and those who believe in Jesus. Both groups believe in the Messiah, but the Israelites haven't yet recognized that Jesus is he. As a result, there's a special thread of historical events that happen to them specifically. Just as there was a difference between floods and the great flood, there is a difference between tribulation and the great tribulation. Both of those great events bring about the end of an age.
The pre-tribulation rapture or harpazo event, is what I call the thief in the night event. It's a sudden stealth grab, without warning or fanfare. In fact it's so quiet, that it isn't until later that those who weren't taken realize something's happened. It's the one referred to by Jesus in the Parable of the 10 Wise and Foolish Virgins (Matthew 25). In the discussions of the rapture, there's also confusion over who is the bride of Christ. It's Israel. The believers in Jesus are part of him; he is the vine, we are the branches, and he is the bridegroom. We who believe in Jesus (the church) are the body of Christ, not the bride. This first harpazo event is for the faithful in Jesus. It's important to note that not everyone is taken; only those who believed and were ready. Just because you go to church or belong to a "Christian" religious group doesn't guarantee you'll be taken. You have to be doing what Jesus said and be ready. This first harpazo event starts the 7 year clock for the last 7 years, and it begins the time of the great tribulation.
At the same time the first harpazo event happens, God seals 144,000 Israelites in Israel who will begin evangelizing to Israel there. They will be believers in Jesus as the Messiah. This first event however sparks a worldwide reaction, because people will be missing from all over the world. Satan and his rebellious brothers will panic, because they now know their time is short. That starts the global events like the one-world digital I.D., etc. The beast in Revelation that rises up out of the sea is actually a world economic system that all nations will embrace. The 144,000 in Israel will do their work for 3 1/2 years. During that time the leader of the one-world system who is the anti-Christ, will be moving to take Israel. He will succeed at the mid-point of the 7 years, and that's when he enters the holy of holies and sets up the abomination that causes desolation, whatever that is. It's this event that Jesus warns those IN JUDEA, to immediately flee to the hills. At that same time, the 144,000 are taken up (harpazo), and 2 witnesses suddenly appear in Jerusalem to take their place. We aren't told who they are, but they demonstrate power like some of the old testament prophets.
Two harpazo events have happened (pre and mid-trib) and one is yet to come. The two witnesses work for the last 3 1/2 years until a beast that comes up from the abyss is able to overcome them. Their bodies are left there in the street in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, until they suddenly come back to life and stand up on their feet. This is when the 3rd harpazo event happens, and this is the one Paul refers to in 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18 "The dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to
meet the Lord in the air." The "dead in Christ" are these 2 witnesses, and those who are still left are that remnant in the hills of Judea who believed Jesus and fled when the abomination was set up. At the same time, Jesus has appeared in the air, and calls these two (harpazo) up along with this remnant, as He is now coming down to the earth. This ends this age.
There are those who claim the dead in Christ are all those who died who believed in Jesus, but that is not what the scripture says. It says to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord in heaven. In the context of what Paul wrote in 1st Thess. 4:18, he's talking about the return of Jesus. Those two witnesses who were from Jesus, are the ones referred to as the "dead in Christ".
Since you seem genuinely interested in this topic and clearly put real effort in, I suggest you google “John Nelson Darby” who is the first person to push the idea of a pre trib rapture in the 1800’s because he spoke to a heretical schismatic Catholic girl who had visions that he found interesting.
When he said that Christ can come tonight, he automatically subscribed to pre trib rapture. Only pre trib rapture admits the imminent coming of Christ.
Yes, and I feel he copped out.
Because in America, Pre Trib "Surely, you shall not die" teaching, is the Camp with the most power, money and influence.
- And with the least biblical support.
Serious questions about the doctrine of immanency
The doctrine of immanency presuppose that the pretrib rapture can happen at anytime - nothing has to happen prophetically before the pretrib rapture of believers.
Question
When did it became a doctrine?
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Did the apostles / disciples of Jesus believed in the doctrine of immanency?
Please read the following verses from John’s gospel. Peter knew he will die as an old man because Jesus told him so.
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Did Peter believe that his death at an old age will happen before or after the pretrib rapture?
“Feed my sheep,” Jesus said. 18 “Truly I tell you, when you were younger, you would tie your belt and walk wherever you wanted. But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will tie you and carry you where you don’t want to go.” 19 He said this to indicate by what kind of death Peter would glorify God. After saying this, he told him, “Follow me.” 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Jn 21:17-19.
13 I think it is right, as long as I am in this bodily tent, to wake you up with a reminder, 14 since I know that I will soon lay aside my tent, as our Lord Jesus Christ has indeed made clear to me. 15 And I will also make every effort so that you are able to recall these things at any time after my departure. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Pe 1:13-15.
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Did Paul believe that he would be bound with his own belt by the Jews before or after the pretrib rapture?
10 After we had been there for several days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 He came to us, took Paul’s belt, tied his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews in Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him over to the Gentiles.’ ” 12 When we heard this, both we and the local people pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem.
13 Then Paul replied, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”
14 Since he would not be persuaded, we said no more except, “The Lord’s will be done.” 1
1 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Ac 21:10-14
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Paul knew he was going to die - did he believe he will die before or after the pretrib rapture?
10 My goal is to know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being conformed to his death, 11 assuming that I will somehow reach the resurrection from among the dead. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. Php 3:10-11
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time for my departure is close.11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 4:6.
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Paul knew certain things will happen in the last days - did Paul believe that they will happen before or after the pretrib rapture?
If after the pretrib rapture, why does he warn believers about the coming events when they wont experience them?
But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people. 11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 3:1-5.
3 For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, exercise self-control in everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry11 Christian Standard Bible (2020). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, p. 2 Ti 4:3-5
NO NO: The imminent return of Christ in SECRET is exclusive to the PRE-TRIBBERS,...or was this your suggestion, too? The visible, imminent return of Christ is hopefully his meaning, and that is taught by many, too, not least also the Seventh day Adventists.
Excellent !
The days we live in, are already worse than the days of Noah. I will be surprised if we will still here in 10 years from now.
It's like when you know your parents are coming over so you clean your house. But if they showed up whenever, you would want to keep your house tidy every day just in case they show up.
I always keep my house tidy.
Except we know our parents exist, and they are capable of coming home. With Jesus, we have no reason to think he still exists, or that his return is even possible. It'd be like placing garlic cloves by your front door just in case vampires might be real - it's a waste of time.
Good analogy.
@@LifeAsALaymando you know of any time a vampire has crossed a garlic bedecked entryway?
@@Servant-u9z Good point. I mean, one supernatural story is as good as another! Could say, banana peppers keep Jesus out?
Very very good job buddy I am a ex jw and I love Jesus Christ so very much
That uncertainty and imminence is a part of what leads me to believe the pre trib view.
To be fair, I too would lean towards other views if I conflated the rapture, the return, and the resurrection with one another.
Considering there's only one, second coming. That's impossible. There's no rapture anywhere in Rev. Which verse has that word?
Revelation 22:18-19 is all I need to know to not use that word for anything involving the second coming of Christ.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ was very specific pertaining to his return date; he said it would occur in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached. He told this immediate audience that his return would usher in his kingdom and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled, in their lifetime. For your consideration: The rapture theory usually derives from 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. In both cases, Paul is simply telling the church members they are about to experience the resurrection (Pauls' term because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/revealing/revelation of Jesus Christ. He is very clear, that they will be alive, breathing, at the event. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses. Part of this law had feast days/convocations/practice rehearsals, all pointing to Messiah, the better resurrection. The following is a verse-by-verse breakdown for the Thessalonians; please note, Paul told these church members six (6) times they will witness, be breathing, at the revelation, chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.(Don't be ignorant about what happens when you physically/biologically die. Where do you go to reside? Heaven)
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(The gathering, as prophesied, the final harvest, Sukkot, is about to happen. Your friends, although residing in heaven, are not going to miss, or not participate, in the gathering of the sons of God. This is the last feast, the last trumpet, the last day, that Christ told us about in John 6 four times, it is about to happen)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.("WE" are people breathing today, Thessalonian church members in the first century, to whom the letter was addressed. We will not go before, we will not precede, the believers who are already in heaven in the order of the resurrection event)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:(Christ said he would return in our lifetime. Our friends, the dead in Christ, residing in heaven, will participate first in the gathering. There is an order to the event. Christ is being sent from heaven, for the final Yom Kippur (Hebrews 9), thus, if you reside in heaven, then you are considered first in line. Next, "we" who live on the earth will participate in the resurrection. Remember what I told the Ephesian church members: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. This is what is about to happen.)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.("WE" that are breathing on the earth, will join them in the gathering. Remember Peter saying: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.) The New Jerusalem that Abraham sought, the heavenly city that Hebrews 11 & 12 said would come, is about to happen. John told us in Revelation that God and his Son will tabernacle/dwell with us in this heavenly city, where the gates are never shut; this is about to happen, fulfilling Sukkot, the final ingathering, the final harvest, it did.)
this message is sent in love, your friend
Pre tribber here
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@@MathiasVIKING0403 The RAPTURE is NOT the "Second Coming". That's conflating two separate events. Jesus was with the 3 Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, so how was the BIRTH the First Coming? Jesus is here, with me, right now. HE will appear in the sky. He will take his Bride before the wrath, just like He alluded to with Lot (Sodom was destroyed only AFTER Lot was snatched from it...not through it)
The rapture isn't the second coming of christ we go to him in the air as his saints then the tribulation happens
Tribulation is already happening in most parts of the world. The rapture is a very “rich comfortable American/European” worldview that makes no sense at all anywhere else in the world
Exactly. They are two different events.
That's a cute little story you have there. Are you sure you got mummy's permission to use the internet?
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
The rapture theory usually derives from 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. In both cases, Paul is simply telling the church members they are about to experience the resurrection (Pauls' term because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/revealing/revelation of Jesus Christ. He is very clear, that they will be alive, breathing, at the event. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses. Part of this law had feast days/convocations/practice rehearsals, all pointing to Messiah, the better resurrection. The following is a verse-by-verse breakdown for the Thessalonians; please note, Paul told these church members six (6) times they will witness, be breathing, at the revelation, chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.(Don't be ignorant about what happens when you physically/biologically die. Where do you go to reside? Heaven)
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(The gathering, as prophesied, the final harvest, Sukkot, is about to happen. Your friends, although residing in heaven, are not going to miss, or not participate, in the gathering of the sons of God. This is the last feast, the last trumpet, the last day, that Christ told us about in John 6 four times, it is about to happen)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.("WE" are people breathing today, Thessalonian church members in the first century, to whom the letter was addressed. We will not go before, we will not precede, the believers who are already in heaven in the order of the resurrection event)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:(Christ said he would return in our lifetime. Our friends, the dead in Christ, residing in heaven, will participate first in the gathering. There is an order to the event. Christ is being sent from heaven, for the final Yom Kippur (Hebrews 9), thus, if you reside in heaven, then you are considered first in line. Next, "we" who live on the earth will participate in the resurrection. Remember what I told the Ephesian church members: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. This is what is about to happen.)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.("WE" that are breathing on the earth, will join them in the gathering. Remember Peter saying: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.) The New Jerusalem that Abraham sought, the heavenly city that Hebrews 11 & 12 said would come, is about to happen. John told us in Revelation that God and his Son will tabernacle/dwell with us in this heavenly city, where the gates are never shut; this is about to happen, fulfilling Sukkot, the final ingathering, the final harvest, it did.)
this message is sent in love, your friend
Scriptures make it abundantly clear about the Rapture. It will happen.
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
Can you give Scripture to prove it?
"The check is in the mail". 😀
@@robertschmidt9296 Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ told the apostles he would return in their lifetime, Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. They were all martyred less John, who was alive at the revelation, read the end of his gospel, John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Christ told the priesthood directly to their face that they would witness his revelation, quoting Daniel, Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Every New Testament author told their immediate audience that they would witness the revelation/resurrection/restitution/reformation of Jesus Christ, without fail. How could they be so bold? Because Christ told everyone: Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Most of the original disciples were still alive at the revelation; 1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
Did Paul tell the Corinthian church members they would witness, be alive, be breathing, at the revelation? Emphatically yes, at the very beginning of their first letter; 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
What about Pauls' letter to the Thessalonians? How many times does Paul tell these church members in 5 chapters that they will witness the revelation? In every single chapter. chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15,4:17,5:23
What about James? James sent a letter out to every Hebrew/Jew on the planet, all 12 tribes would have read his letter. Here is what he told them: 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
If you invite someone to your house and they are standing at your door, how much closer can they get before entering your house? Christ was told by his Father to reveal himself in the first century. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.........no one knows the day or hour? that's a lie, God just told his son to reveal himself, almost 2,000 years ago, and to do it shortly, he did, it is finished. your friend
@@robertschmidt9296 1 Thessalonians 5: “16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” KJV
1 Corinthians 15: “51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
His mother said to the servers,
“Do whatever he tells you.”
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
Matthew 16:27-28 NIV
[27] For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. [28] “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
@@blueraccoon1088 That "one" he was talking about was John the beloved, who did in fact see it; he wrote the Book of Revelation.
@@markd3250 I think a lot of them saw it. Jesus came into His kingdom when He was resurrected and seated at the right hand of power, receiving the glory He shared with the Father before the foundation of the world. He returns in the final chapter of Matthew and proclaims "all power" in Heaven and on Earth has been given unto Him. In Philippians 2, it explains the Father highly exalted Him and bestowed upon Him the name above all names, so that every knee shall bow before Him. Essentially He received the "crown" and became King of Kings receiving all the nations as His inheritance. He does not return to claim this inheritance until the 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11.
Now, now: v.27's judgement message is for everyone.... can't avoid that, as Solomon said so well, too.
Matthew chapter 24 Jesus Christ Clearly explain about His second coming
The rapture happens at Christs coming, after the tribulation. Believers in Christ will still be on earth when the tribulation happens. But those who have the Seal of God will endure the tribulation period, God will be with us during it. Those who do not endure the tribulation, do not have Christ and unfortunately are Marked by the beast. Even if those Sealed by God died during the tribulation, they will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" (John 3:10).
People love to talk about Jesus, but they don't know much about him.
I am also on the welcoming committee 🤓
Thank you CrossExamined
There he is! 👋
@canigetachannel
What is the haps in the claps bro hammy?
May the Lord bless and protect you brother...
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@@Es-ch3nn
His will, not mine, be done.
And your works?
May He know you.
@@Es-ch3nn
Yes I understand that the Word of God is prescriptive and descriptive. Cheese and rice dude you've copy/pasted that lame comment everywhere... Chill kid...
Best answer nobody knows , just wait on the LORD.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
there are alot of verses too that says only the wise will know and the wicked wont and would not even care
Amen✝️🕊️
God saved Noah before He judged the world. God saved Lot before He judged S&G. God will save His people before His final judgment.
He has prepared a place for us in the wilderness. There is no rapture.
@SimonRiley752 That wilderness is in Israel for them.
Tribulation is already happening in most parts of the world. The rapture is a very “rich comfortable American/European” worldview that makes no sense at all anywhere else in the world
Bad philosophy.
We'll be safe on earth, just like Noah, protected and serving. That's how I read the Bible...
"Always be ready" i could not have said it any better. Stay strong in your Faith, Trust and Love of our Savior Jesus Christ. He is the only worthy of being a Role Model to try your hardest to emulate. Not the flawed individuals that most people usually look too such as Movie Stars, Musicians, Athletes, Politicians etc..
Godbless
Are you always ready for every possible thing in life, including things that may not even be possible? Do you put garlic by your front door just in case vampires are real, for example?
@LifeAsALayman what are you talking about? Do you actually believe in vampires? What does always being ready for Christ's return have to do with garlic or your belief in vampires?
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@ That's exactly the point. You don't bother to take cautionary measures against something that you don't think is even real, right? The idea that we need to "always be ready" for Jesus is pointless for the same reason.
How do you reconcile 1 Corinthians 2:8 with the verse where the unclean spirit recognises Jesus as the son of God?
Which denomination is Frank Turek in?
Like most preachers, he knows more about the Scriptures than I do.
I don't think I've ever heard him assess anything in the Bible contrary to my understanding of it.
Well, unless he's a Calvinist. Denying the free will of man destroys accountability for sin, justness of punishing sin, and negates the Gospel.
If a repture happened and we would be sure it was saved ones going up or Christ coming back then that would actually be good evidence, I will say that.
Yeah, it will be called evidence for alien abduction, or evidence for mass viral deaths, or something silly... Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, but the majority... Still fools sad to say.
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@@Es-ch3nn No I don't understand that Mathew 16:27 - 28 was not written to me because I didn't know who is was written to, I was just going off what I hear people say, but what does that have to do with what I am saying anyways?
@@gi169 Yes but not yeah that it would be called evidence for alien abduction or evidence for mass viral deaths or something silly. it is only referring to Christian's leaving and the Christian story. It would be weird if aliens were doing that. And a mass viral death for only them and not anyone else would be odd too, especially at the same time. I don't think it would be anything you call silly like that but maybe there is something, I am just not sure. Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, I think tons will though because it's true evidence, besides those that maybe didn't witness it and are really picky. But no it wouldn't be the majority... to say that then "but the majority, still fools sad to say" doesn't seem right unless there is some good theory of what it actually was or maybe if it didn't get confirmed, but then that would be reasonable and not to say.
Yes but not yeah that it would be called evidence for alien abduction or evidence for mass viral deaths or something silly. it is only referring to Christinats leaving and the Chrsitant story. It would be weird if aliens were doing that. And a mass viral death for only them and not anyone else would be odd too, especially at the same time. I don't think it would be anything you call silly like that but maybe there is something, I am just not sure. Some people will get it and believe in Jesus Christ, I think tons will though because it's true evidence, besides those that maybe didn't witness it and are really picky. But it wouldn't be the majority... still fools sad to say doesn't seem right unless there is some good theory of what it actually was or maybe if it didn't get confirmed, but then that would be reasonable and not to say.
He didn't really answer the question which was about the rapture itself.
I think the Bible says we, Christians will know the season, but not the hour or the day… no?
Excellent advice from Frank. Always be ready. There is a lot of delusion in modern eschatology.
That was a good answer that really missed a piece of the question. Do you think the rapture is a thing? If so, why? If not, why not?
"We will be caught up", "we will be changed in the blink of an eye", the angels "will gather the Elect from the four winds", "our gathering unto Him".
Matthew 24 "immediately AFTER the Tribulation".
Live everyday as if Jesus is coming tomorrow; Life your life as if Jesus isn't coming back during your lifetime.
Frank, you didn't answer the ladies' questions. It wasn't about when, the question was "do you believe in the rapture ". So, do you believe in the rapture?
Yikes David, you need to listen better. She asks him what is opinion on the rapture is....not whether he believes it. Obviously, he believes it if he says "always be ready."
There are some pre cursors. I’ll just drop one here. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 clearly says that there will be a great apostasy/falling away from the truth. People walking away from the faith. Not the world, the people who are within will walk away before he returns. It’s clear in that whole chapter then the restrainer will be removed. Now there is an opinion on whether that is the church or the spirit of God but when you read that chapter it looks like the restrainer is the church. That’s just one example. So when you start seeing more and more walking away you can rest assured that we are getting closer.
Being ready for Jesus to appear in glory to fetch us is the key, rather than us being removed from an anti-christ; not looking for a secret rapture, right?
Based on study and knowledge of what happens during the tribulation period, I can’t wrap my head around how the savior would allow his bride to go through 7 years of great suffering, persecution and judgement. That’s like a Groom beating his bride before he takes her home to live together forever. Essentially, I take the pretrib argument. Either way it goes, I just want to be ready!
That is the key.
We do business until He comes.
Only a Westerner with no insight into Church history could believe in that false argument.
The Church has been facing persecution and martyrdom ever since the stoning of Stephen.
"If they have persecuted me, they *will" persecute you."
In northern Nigeria, so many if our sisters have become widows, as their husbands, our brothers, are "beat up" and martyred for the Name of Christ.
And you do know what happens to anyone caught with a Bible in North Korea?
Pre Trib is a LIE, in line with the false prosperity gospel.
I can hear the Serpent whisper "Surely, you shall not die..."
Being ready for his appearing is the true end we look to in hope, and his hand will protect us through any an all difficult times, too. It won't be 7 years of troubles - Jesus never taught that, for he said it would be shortened for our own sakes, amen. Small encouragements, PTL.
There'll be trials for us but no judgements for we are delivered from divine wrath through Jesus, already and then too, as we persevere, amen.
@@Colin-to1nv That's right Jesus - and Daniel - never taught a seven year tribulation.
Daniel wrote that the Abomination of Antichrist happens at the *midpoint* of the seven years.
And Jesus says that the Abomination triggers the Great Tribulation.
So there is no support for a seven year Great Tribulation.
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Amen.
The Rapture and Resurrection of the dead takes place between the 6th and 7th Seals.
This time is also the day of the Lord when God pours out His wrath which believers are not appointed to.
3:00 I have more time. Nor even close for nobody knows the day or the hour when a life is called to go and that doesn't include the rapture.
Matt24:27-31. He says he is coming back after the tribulation. This is the same description as seal 6 in rev. Which is called the Day of the Lord. Lots of verses on that.
coming back is NOT the Rapture. The rapture is the snatching away before the Tribulation. 2 separate events
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@Es-ch3nn it was written to the generation that will see the cosmological signs mentioned in matt24:29-30. The sun is permanently darkened, the moon is permanently darkened. The stars fall to earth. This is the exact same signs spoken of in rev 6 called the sixth seal. Also called the Day of the Lord. That is who it is written to. The people that witness rev19:11-21. The return of Jesus as God Almighty. Go read it.
@@Scotty-Z70not 1 verse of scripture says that. Where did you learn that from?
@@johnbmx4christ oh, you mean 1 Thessalonians isn’t in your Bible? You need a correct Bible, then
Frank, I am God, I don't want anyone to know when I'm coming back!
He's right about everything but the quote. 1 Cor 2:8 just says "the princes of this world", not powers and principalities.
I marvel at the lack of understanding of many public ministries. I have yet to see a "smarter" than me person with an understanding of the second coming. Frank parrots what most of these men say who have pulled out of context verses such as "no one knows the day or hour"...Why does the word tell us that we are children of the day and that we are not to walk in darkness?
Our king and savior is coming back! Discussing details and interpretations makes me weary. Sometimes it will comfort me more if scolars say we just don’t know exactly.
Especially when the book of revelations is being discussed
The one thing that's probably more imminent than the rapture is our own personal death. Live every day as if it's your last. We never know when the end will come. Our very own personal "end of time."
Maybe one day Turek will take the time to learn Jewish apocalyptic thought. After all, Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew. You understand that, you’ll understand the timing concern.
Bible is relatively clear he comes back after tribulation. But personally I am ready for everything. But be ready for the hard times allways. Where we are real tested
With the Lord, we are able to get through any tribulation
Scripture is very clear imo that Christs second coming and the rapture are two different events and they are described very differently.
It is not clear that is says that, to me its quite clear he could come at any time for the church. It is clear the Second Coming is after the Tribulation.
If it was clear, why is there so much disagreement?
@LifeAsALayman There’s always going to be disagreement. All that matters is what the Bible says and in my opinion, and millions of others opinion, there will be a Rapture. We are not appointed to God's wrath. Jesus said that he is going to prepare a place for us and will come for us, that where he is we will be also. Plus in 1 Corinthians 15: 51-58, it says there will be a "Mystery", where some will not sleep (die) as others do, that the dead will rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be "caught up" (Raptured) to be with the Lord.
I think it is both pre-tribulation and post-tribulation.
The devil, not knowing Jesus was the Messiah, doesn’t make any sense according to scripture.
When Jesus says He will return like a thief in the night, He is obviously not talking about the Second Coming, because everyone will see that, and the worldly will mourn. He is talking about the rapture. So the question is not IF the rapture, but when. And it doesn't make sense for it to be post trib, or else who will be the "Sheep" that enter the kingdom when the "Goats" are sent into eternal punishment? There are Tribulation Saints, and lots of them. So now the question is, Pre-Trib, or Mid-Trib? I think the fact the Church is not mentioned on earth after Rev 3, all the way till 19, in other words before the advent of antichrist, is the key. Conclusion: Pre-trib rapture, Pre-mill Second Coming.
Amen!
Well said brother!! I can just tell by your answer that you do believe in the rapture; & hopefully the pre-trib..🙌💕thank you & God bless you.🙂🙏
So he's saying he believes in the rapture but doesn't know the date🤷♂️
Show me a bunch of men of God being spared? We never have been, why would be expect not to go through tribulations? Seems much more dangerous to assume we won’t be.
Will you destroy the righteous with the wicked?
So Frank Turek better straighten and fly right, right now!
3 examples come to mind. Noah and his family. Moses and the Hebrews at the Red Sea. Lot in Sodom. Tribulations in life, yes. THE tribulation, no. The purpose of the tribulation is to deal with unbelieving Israel mostly. That is why its called Jacobs sorrows.
I was there with John when he witnessed the events mentioned in Revelation. We will be taken up before the 7 year tribulation. I'm an angel.
Lot and his daughters. Noah, and 7 others in his family. It's not "tribulations" it's "THE TRIBULATION" , the 7 years of wrath of God on the world.
"We all agree christ is coming back"
No we don't all agree with that statement!
Were is that statement in Scripture that says that?
Matthew 24 & Mark 13 KJV red letters, Immediately after the tribulation, the Son of man coming in the clouds
@lionheartmerrill1069 Mat 24:30 ISV Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all ‘the tribes of the land will mourn’ when they see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory.
Mat 24:34 ISV I tell all of you with certainty, this generation won’t disappear until these things happen.
He told the apostles this generation wont disappear and that generation would see the son of man coming on the clouds!
@@lionheartmerrill1069and Luke 21:7-28
Devil knew who Jesus was, he tempted him 3 times in the beginning of his ministry to start with.
The Devil said "if you are the Son of God" did he know, or did he suspect? Satan isnt all knowing.
If the accuser knew who Jesus was why bother tempting him?
@@gi169Checkmate 👍
The problem is the devil did not know that by Jesus's death people can be reconciled to God. He would think the same as the Jews would , that the Messiah would be a living saviour who would bring Israel to victory. The Jews eventually found that Jesus wouldn't do that, so they crucified him. The devil would think Jesus' death won't matter either, even if the devil knew he was the Son of God. So they killed him to later find out they're wrong.
@unholydanger
Amen...
He better. ❤
Why when it's not biblical?
Post trib is fact. I can agree to disagree with the pre trib crowd, but I don't consider post millennials and amillenials to be Bible believing Christians.
Also, 1 Cor 2 : 8 says the "princes" didn't know Jesus was the Lord of Glory. But there's no possible way Satan didn't know exactly who Jesus is. Not only should he have known since he personally knew Jesus before his fall, and not only would he know every single one of the messianic prophecies better than mankind knows it, but there's several scriptures where Satan goes into people such as Judas and Peter in order to sabotage Christ's mission. Satan wouldn't bother doing any of that if he thought Jesus of Nazareth was just a man or a powerful prophet of God.
In fact, this is one of the biggest mysteries of the Bible, why Satan would even allow Pilate to crucify Jesus knowing the Scriptures. Satan had to know Jesus was God's Holy One if even his underling demons knew it. The only rational conclusion I can come to is that Satan has an extremely explicit legal contract with God which spells out precisely what he is and is not allowed to do. But then that also leads into my number one mystery of the Bible: Why wouldn't Satan just fall on his face before God and beg for forgiveness rather than continue his plan to establish a one world government? What possible chance or loophole does he possibly think he can exploit to "win" over almighty God who sees the end from the beginning?
Great explanation. Pre tribber here though.
You do understand that Matthew 16:27-28 was not written to YOU ... RIGHT ??
@ John 14 and 1 Thes was. You don't agree, fine. This isn't a salvation issue so I don't see why everyone is getting their little feathers ruffled. I think we should all follow Jesus' example of extending grace , even to the unlearned.
This makes no sense. The devil came to tempt Jesus and demons knew who he was when they were sent into the heard of pigs...
Frank, I am disappointed in your statement, "there are those who are smarter then me that have different views" - yet we find in the scriptures this very warning, that by being wise in our own eyes, you become fools. God's word is not meant to be hard, or difficult to understand, for those who truly seek to understand the word of God.
1 Thes 4:16-17 should give a very clear picture of what is going to happen, and knowing that this very passage is describing the rapture of the Church.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
We aren't going to be taken up into the clouds and then immediately upon doing so, come right back down with Jesus, no, for we find other parts to the actual second coming of Jesus that is very different from the rapture. In this passage I quoted above from the word of God, it does not indicate anywhere before or after, that Jesus then comes down to the earth, but we do find in Revelation, that the saints return adorned in white garments as we follow Jesus on horseback from the clouds, and behold Jesus (the Lamb of God) destroying the armies that opposed Israel.
We know Jesus prepared a place for all true believers, in John 14:2, and that we will be taken to be with him during the 7 year tribulation that happens on earth, as those who were caught up in the rapture will be celebrating with Jesus, as we are taken out of the way of the wrath of God. I do not understand how so many professing believers will argue this and even some proclaim it is a "false gospel" and people like me are going to hell for preaching a false gospel. I can only pray and trust in the Lord my God that he will open the eyes of more people before the rapture happens.
I'm really glad you are not an apologist
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” - Matthew 16:28. What does it mean to be "standing here"?
Uh, Jesus was talking to his deciples who were standing...🤨🤔🧐
@@gi169 Standing...in maybe 28AD? In the past? Right? So, then where is he? Where was he since after the apostle tasted death?
@jeffreyjdesir
You must read the next part Jeffrey. What happens next in the Word of God? You need to read all around the places in the Bible that confuse you... Hint brother this is easily googled... When you don't understand something trust in Jesus...
@@gi169 ...the transfiguration? How does that make sense?
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ was very clear. He told everyone that he would return in their lifetime. He told the apostles. He told the priesthood directly to their face that they would witness his revelation, quoting Daniel. He told them directly to their face that the kingdom would be taken from them, quoting Isaiah 5 in Matthew 21:33-45, word for word. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses and the prophets. He said he would do both before some of them died, tasted death. He told the apostles they wouldn't even finish going over the cities of Israel and he would be back. They were all martyred, less John, who was alive at the revelation (Peter & Johns' terms) resurrection (Pauls' term) coming of the Lord (James' term). He was, read the end of Johns' gospel. your friend
Not really with Frank on this, yes there are different interpretations, no people are not necessarily liars for reaching obviously wrong conclusions, but I don't believe the Lord intended this to be a mystery, and Frank does no one any favors by suggesting so.
Thank goodness you're not an apologist.
@@kurtf4111 It doesn't matter how clearly the Bible teaches some doctrines, some people will say it's not in there. Same with people and their sins of preference, so everyone, and you and I too, should read carefully and with supplication to the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to us.
@@georgelugenalt200 So, you're somehow smarter than apologists, who've spent their entire lives and careers dedicated to this subject? Everyone should believe you, a random person online?
@@kurtf4111 Don't be silly, nothing to do with intelligence. I believe it's strategic in nature. No need to pick fight over specifics when the church needs unity in these last days. There are people who teach obviously wrong things, and many do it for their own purposes, God will judge. Not all of these arguments can realistically be won. Since eschatology is not a salvation issue, it's less important to dispute it, than other things. That far I can go, no problem. Focus on the saving Gospel, no problem.
But, at least in my opinion, one could at least say "so I know many will disagree with me but this is how I see it" and let the hearer decide for themselves. This is what I think Frank should have done, but he does not answer to me, and perhaps he has hard data giving solid salvation based reasons why he answers how he does.
No everyone should not believe me. They should read and pray and discern the word of God, who is not a God of confusion but of peace. And we will all find out shortly won't we? But as to the apologists who have "spent their lives", no they have probably not done so, they more likely just skim over it, and focus on other issues. A detailed, honest reading of all the scriptures related to the end times should logically conclude Pre Mil, and either Pre or Mid trib rapture. The A-mil or post mill folks, and the no- rapture folks, are just not paying attention, and the post Trib rapture folks are just leaving out a step of logic. Not something you go to hell for, so less of a problem than say, teaching a false Gospel.
Ive given you more time than you've earned with your juvenile, non-scriptural questions. This is not a popularity contest or some high-school debate club "oh you think you're better than me??" challenge. This is scripture, treat it with the respect it deserves.
@@georgelugenalt200 church needs unity, but you spit off comments about how you're not with Frank on this? You are part of the problem. Frank stayed fairly neutral on the topic. But, you had to open your mouth. You are the exact kind of reason why there is divide.
Wacht our teachings about 2030. That year Jesús fullfill 2000 years.
Also the kingdom of GOD was given to Salomon 3000 years ago. The profets spoke about the years BEFORE very IMPORTANT things to happen.
While at the same time Frank has said that Satan can read minds.
Well satan knew the man was Jesus Christ. If Satan couldnt read the mind of Jesus, then satan would know there is something VERY intriguing with him. And just look at the powers and miracles that Jesus performed which satan witnessed, but yet Franks thinks that satan wasnt aware if it was really the Son of God?
🤨🤔🧐 Have you thought your comment through, it doesn't seem like it.
@@gi169
I'm waiting for you to provide anything worth having a discussion. All you did was ask if I thought through my comment.
@@tymz-r-achangin
That was for you to think about. I'm not interested in a discussion with you. Besides silly person, this is the comment section not the discussion section.🤨🤔🧐
@@gi169
Right and so according to your self-serving definition, its just the comment section therefore you can throw out your blabber and then make up dumb excuses for your lack of ability to provide anything intelligent.
I don't think Frank believes or has said Satan can read our minds. He has said the devil can put thoughts in our minds.
There are only two comings of Jesus Christ. The first is when He became man to redeem us 2000 years ago. The second is when He comes back to straighten out this fallen world for a millennium. The rapture is is Jesus calls His own to come to Him in the air. That particular time has no known time. Only The Father knows.
"Any day now!"
- Christians for 2000 years.
[2Pe 3:3-4 KJV] 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
Does that automatically make the position incorrect?
Did you watch the video?? Frank literally answered why His return is ambiguous.
Scoffers have been scoffing for 2000 years, too.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. There is nothing ambiguous about what Christ said, zero. Christ told the apostles, everyone, the priesthood, that he would return in their lifetime. He did. He established his kingdom exactly when he said he would. This is the reason no one has seen or heard from a prophet of God (not self-appointed) in 2,000 years. Christ was sent to fulfill the laws of Moses and the prophets. He did, all of them. The New Jerusalem, where the gates are never shut, has been a reality for 2,000 years and has no end. your friend
28 seconds to get to the video. Do better.
Is this and other questions important? NO . When you believe in Jesus they are not important
Of more importance than the timing of the rapture, is are you sure about your salvation, because Jesus Himself said MANY will (paraphrase) think they are saved and going to Heaven but HE DOES NOT KNOW THEM. It's not a matter of do you know Him, but does He know YOU? There are new-agers who think Jesus is an ascended master who think they know Jesus but the one they "know" is not Christ, the Word of God.
Folks, make certain of your salvation. Ask yourself the hard questions and READ your Bible. Do not depend on others for your Bible knowledge because what if they are wrong? What if they are preaching a doctrine of salvation that is not the Gospel of Christ but is from the enemy? Will you know?
Folks, make certain you are right with Christ and do it now. Like a young woman who went to sleep one night and did not wake up, you might not see tomorrow either. Don't wait. Your eternal destination hinges on Christ.
‘Rapturists’ just want to fly off into the air, but they miss the main point, RESURRECTION!!! Jesus is the first to have been resurrected, & he promised to come back to RESURRECT the dead & then the dead & the living will be taken up : the ‘sheep/ wheat’ Will be taken into heaven, the ‘goats/weeds’ Will be thrown into hell
Does Frank believe in unconditional election?
Trust the Lord and do not lean on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5). Too many people twist Gods Word to suit what makes them feel comfortable or to fit with their understanding. Read it for what it is.
The rapture and His second coming already occurred with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70AD. All His prophesies in Matthew have been fulfilled.
Matthew 16: 27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, THERE ARE SOME STANDING HERE WHO WILL NOT TASTE DEATH until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Jesus is not talking to us, He is speaking to His disciples and some of them did not taste death until they saw Him coming in the glory of His Father. His second coming..
very disappointing answer Frank, giving us a run around answer that doesnt answer the question, scripture is pretty clear on this issue
Nobody is more likely to be fooled by the anti christ than people who believe in the Rapture because they won’t believe the anti christ has truly come because they haven’t been raptured.
Conjectures everywhere. But explain to me how born again believers can be fooled by the devil? We have the Holy Spirit who leads us . We have God's word teaching us.
@kimwestwood8840 Thank you. I hear post tribulation believers saying that nonsense all the time as a way to guilt trip pre tribulation believers, and it literally makes no sense.
@@kimwestwood8840 if you have the Holy Spirit to lead you, why do you believe in the unScriptural pretrib rapture theory? The Holy Spirit will not contradict Scripture so you seriously need to examine who is really leading you.
@@robertschmidt9296 Why do people insist they are right, and pretribbers need to be led by the Holy Spirit cause they are wrong ? I find that terribly disheartening . Why don't you work on you . If this was 100% clear why do so many much smarter theologians disagree on this?
@kimwestwood8840 looks like both of our comments have been deleted. The Holy Spirit will lead you to the truth. The pretrib rapture theory conflicts with Scripture so the Holy Spirit will not confirm the pretrib rapture theory. Learn to read Scripture for what it actually says and not from the mindset of what you are taught that it says. Don't add your interpretation or anyone else's into it. Scripture interprets itself. It might be in the Torah or the prophets but it is there. Realize that the Bible isn't the past vs the present, it's all one.
If a "smart" theologian can't agree with Scripture, it's because he is reading from the mindset of what he was taught that it says.
True we must be watchful & prayerful as written in St. Mark 13:32-37. But, The question is “What is your view ?” St. John 5:28&29, St. Matthew 24:27…There is only one second coming according to Holy Bible where rapture happens as written in 1 Thessalonians 14-18…if you are a true apologist, you must tell the listener very clearly and not cleverly…[not like our Lord taught in parables]…😊
😂 Frank Turek that is so smart he tells everyone what to believe but yet he can’t explain what he believes about the rapture because there are people so much smarter than he is that have differing opinions. 😳 this guy is screwy!
He explained it well. Just like in the OT time, people had no idea of Jesus coming the way He came and it was concealed deliberately, in the same way the end times are concealed and nobody actually knows how it will come to be precisely.
@ The Bible is clear that Jesus is coming for his bride, the church, all born-again believers, before the start of Daniel’s 70th week. Daniel chapter 9 verses 24 through 27 give the exact timeline of the coming of the Messiah. The Jews should have known that after 69 weeks, 69 7s, 483 years, Messiah would be cut off; die.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Many Christians are ignorant of what the Bible teaches because, they don’t read and study the scriptures, and because churches they attend don’t teach the scriptures.
I know Jesus is coming in a pre-tribulation rapture because Daniel’s 70th week has nothing to do with the bride of Christ. The seven remaining years to be fulfilled in the 70 weeks that have been determined upon the nation of Israel and upon Jerusalem Will begin after the rapture. In the middle of that seven year period The beast will declare himself to be God in an event referred to as the abomination of desolation. It is all spelled out clearly in the Scriptures!
Why don't you become an apologist, since you're obviously so much smarter than them? Every apologist has an area of focus.
@ I am. Frank is not afraid to say what he thinks about anything but when it comes to the rapture he suddenly claims there are those who know better than him; well I am one of those! It’s pre-trib!
@ When does your book come out?
Why does anyone even care about whether the rapture is true or not? It probably isn't, because that would give away His return wouldn't it? To even put a date on it is plain dumb, even if they are scholars. And if you're one of those who have been throwing out prophetic words about all sorts of stuff and also about this, well you'll keep being wrong so everyone knows you're a quack. If you aren't 100% correct, well...
He is going to come in 2026 Isaiah 13:9 kjv coming soon. Revelation 3:3kjv .not everyone will surprised
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Isaiah 13 was fulfilled in the 6th century BCE. The prophecy was against Babylon, who was destroyed by the Medes/Persians, per the scriptures. your friend
Prediction # 652.
How many times did God come with clouds and glory in the old testament? And when he did, he always brought judgement on that nation. (Think Babylon, Egypt or Israel) God came with the same judgment in ad 70 just as Jesus predicted he would in Mathew 23-24..during that generation. Please brothers, atheists use this argument against us all the time.. pre-melininial dispensationalism is not biblical.
If the powers and principalities knew who Jesus was they would have never crucified the Lord of Glory?? Are you kidding me Frank?? There was nothing "ambiguous" about Jesus coming the first time, because all the prophets before him fortold of his coming, where it would be, and so on. The prophets of the Old Testament told us that Jesus own people would not know him, and would reject him, because they were expecting a Messiah that was going to free them from oppressions and guide them into victory over Rome and the rest of the world.
His own people did not understand why their Messiah (which they rejected in the end), would not give them the victory at that time, but we know! We know Jesus had to come to save us first, before he could return to take the victory. Frank, I know you mean well, and have a lot of knowledge of the scriptures, but some of your line of thinking and professing other people with fancy titles and letters after their name in Biblical studies are somehow more right then what the Holy Spirit will testify to those who read, study, and meditate on the word themselves.
This is why Paul speaks highly of the Bereans who tested everything Paul preached, by looking at the Old Testament scriptures they had available to them, to confirm the truth of the coming Messiah and how he would die for us, (Issiah 53). There should not be any confusion on this very subject, but one of hope and something we are all looking forward to.
Frank didn't answer her question.
Yikes, you need to listen better. She asks him what is opinion on the rapture is....not whether he believes it. Obviously, he believes it if he says "always be ready."
@kurtf4111 that not true be ready could mean cause you don't know the time and the hour of the Lord's return. Also the rapture is a 1800s invention never taught in the churchs till now .u shud study more.
@@immortalwarrior2406 I'm so glad that noone cares about your opinion or reads your book. And again, she never asked that question.
@kurtf4111 hahaha stop using the Catholic bible and make ur own u lost sheep. U actually sound like a Muslim
lame answer. its not ambiguous. theres one rapture of the church. if you dont know just say you dont know. amen.