In 1985 Ariel Sharon declared that he and Israel made a mistake by not killing Arafat in 1983. He would maintain that position for the rest of his life.
this document is a simple head news for amateurs, it's missing dots and what was really happened. One of the supper powers didn't want to see Lebanon in a good relationship with isreal
Thats ok. Sharon was still able to slaughter innocent unarmed civilians with near-zero penalties by permitting the 3-day massacre in the Sabra-Shatila camps. You can freely visit the camps today and the people are very kind, but almost nothing has been rebuilt since the civil war, sadly.
The IDF wasn’t either, the main thing that can be pinned on them in regards to sabra and shatilla is that they were not as heavy handed in regulating the Maronite militias as they should have been when they entered the camp and carried out the massacre
@@khubza8999there’s no way you’re serious. The joke is that he had change a lot of the video to stock footage of puppies so it wouldn’t get demonetized.
Because they’re basically the same people, even if they’re artificially divided and stoked by waves of Jewish migration. By far my weird history that would have avoided all this shit in the Middle East is when America was looking into making Alaska the homeland of the Jewish people- and at the same time Britain was also looking into a homeland of the Jewish people, they seriously considered giving them Madagascar. (At least it’s better than Alaska 😅)
I would certainly like some context as to Bachir Gemayel's back and forth with the Israelis. Was this a common thing among the Maronites? Did he want to gain support among the Muslims?
The only reason Sheikh Bachir Gemayel was in contact with them was because the Lebanese Christians were the enemy of everyone in the region who were trying to take over our country. Also relations with our neighbors was better than having one more enemy against us. The isrealis never wanted to take over Lebanon all they were doing was getting rid of the mess that the Palestinians caused and spread into proxy militias that divided the Lebanese people.
I as a Christian Lebanese, would like and hope Isreal/America will do something very drastic and must be done if Lebanon and the Lebanese people want to live in peace..... from what I've been observing hizballshaytan/ hizballah.. shame on them using the name of God as a milita going to war against the Jewish which are the Children of God ... Anyway hizballshaytan is the biggest problem Lebanon has...... even our own president who himself ran away to France to escape death fighting his own people Christian against Christian... The delta Lebanese forces against the whole Lebanese Army who the General that is president now... though the army itself was also divided because it had a multi religion soldiers who swore to protect their country so it was a big mess and may God have mercy on all the innocent blood they both shed.... then Syria came swept us easily because we were busy killing each others.... So I would love for Israel and America to do something to change this extremely extremely corrupted government..... Our president is a puppet for hizballshaytan he goes against them he knows he's a dead man... like many others who stand in their way.... I certainly know now many Lebanese Christians won't agree with what I'm saying.... I tell them you people are blinded by politicians that are blinded because of the money they steal..... Lebanon needs a government not a mafia.... some who can oppose and not run with their schemes.... Just try to compare the Israeli government with the Lebanese it's not possible... because even with corruption in many countries like Israel, there's still a law that works and brings people to be judged in the courts... in Lebanon we don't have that they blame the paper boy who doesn't know a thing they're doing the poor people who they can take advantage of.... Israel is a very beautiful country and it was built around the same time as Lebanon... Israelis follow the law on the streets and have a very clean and safe cities... total opposite of Lebanon. We could have been there with them if we just stood with them strong because in the end Christians are very different from Islam we have the King of Peace Yesua al massih.... Jesus the Messiah the only true Savior... no other.. Muslims want to try and erase Israel and they call Israel the enemy..most or many many Lebanese then also call Israel the enemy because they don't know who the real threat is... they say if Israel is bombing Lebanon then that's it .. they're enemies... I personally love Isreal and Israelis especially the people who follow my Savior Jesus Christ the Messiah... Islam denies Jesus and his Father and Holy Spirit, the main three that are ONE body... and so we are a part of the trinity. I live in a building that is full of Muslims. Christians. Jews .Atheist. Hindus and all kinds of different religions and we are all living in peace... why is it that Islam still not stopping the killing 🤔. Because I believe and that's only my opinion... that Islam is a culture of kingship and ruling authorities with the sword... that's how Islam grew by shedding blood... In the Bible Jesus says killing for revenge as in eye for an eye and so on is not the way of life.. he said IAM the last sacrifice I will save you from death if you just listen and follow my footsteps and no one else's... I can keep going on and on .... I really enjoyed this documentary thank you and God bless 🙏
@@save179 Southern Lebanese here, I agree with you 100%. It baffles me that this foreign funded party and especially foreign lead, Nasrallah does nothing without Iran’s leaders permission, controls so much and is responsible for so much suffering and death, yet the south have so much support for them. I can’t wait to never see the yellow flags in my village again. Hopefully one day we will have peace with Israel, Lord knows Israel wants it and the only reason we don’t have it is because of Syria and Iran and their dogs.
The initial mission of the Marines was securing PLO withdrawal; that was accomplished. Upon the Marines Redeployment, the Marines were issued orders Not to return fire when fired upon. The Marines were ordered to patrol the streets of Beirut without magazines in their M16 ie advertising their vulnerability. When the Marines finally engaged, it was too little too late. The Marines’ sudden withdrawal after the barracks bombing, was a major moral defeat to US military image in the middle east and a turning point in history. Under these rules of engagement, Weinberger’s initial advice was on target.
When Muslims massacre Christians again and again it’s just brushed off in the video but when it happens to the PLO in camps is given sad music and an essay. Intresting
History of Lebanon shows overwhelmingly the massacre of Christians by Muslims being minimal compared to the other way around. Christian militants during the civil war were much more brutal especially with Palestinians, the Shabra/Shatila massacres were committed by Christians loyal to Syria to make Israel look bad and help force their exit from the country to also Syria to gain more control.
As usual, a very well researched summary of the events. Somewhat timely also, given the rumblings of war in Lebanon are getting louder these days, possibly leading to another civil war and/or another Israeli invasion.
Israel doesn't have any incentive to invade. The only thing Israel wants to see is that Lebanon acts as a free, independent state from the terrorists Hezbollah, which is exactly what the Lebanese people want too.
@@dl6860 ..........100% I call them hizballshaytan that's what they do they make you submit or you'll get it... Iran is the same thing... people want freedom though iblees Satan is in control.
@@dl6860 do the Shiite Lebanese want that? How about the Armenian Lebanese? And what about the Druze and Palestinian refugees. I’m sure a terror group like hezbollah is very unpopular for obvious reasons but Israel is far from popular in Lebanon. To understand why you should first understand why using a term like Lebanese is not a good description as there are dozens of different groups there with widely ranging opinions
@@christophewakim5545 Thanks Christophe. The only thing Israelis want to see is a free Lebanon, one where Hezbollah or any other organisation gets in the way of peace and free market economies. The best thing for Lebanon would be the best thing for the region - so much trust and peace that you could see a train from Tel Aviv to Beirut. We pray every day that the people of Lebanon could be free and independent, because only on that day will there be peace and open boarders. That said, it will be far easier to achieve with Lebanon than with the Palestinians. They still have a long way to go before their culture evolves into one that will be productive for Lebanese society and the rest of the world. It starts with stopping to teach hate... but even that may be a long ways away from them. Until now, we pray patiently...
This seems like a pretty pro-israeli take. They were the ones who surrounded the camps and "asked" the phelanges to go in. How can you say they were less responsible. Also, by most definitions, Zionism is a nationalistic ideology and calling any criticism of Zionism antisemitism is pretty much a biased right wing point of view. Zionism is a nationalistic ideology that advocates for a national home for the Jewish people. It's not related to Judaism as a religion in any way or form. Also, the Kahan report is less biased? So the Israelis writing a report about themselves and deciding that they were not responsible is not biased? That's like cops investigating themselves and always coming out clear
Really? more Lebanese were killed by other Lebanese and by the Syrians than the Israelis, directly and indirectly. The vast majority of the people who died in the Lebanese Civil War weren't killed by the Israelis. The Syrian Army killed a lot of Lebanese.
on the flip side, the islamic ideology is knee deep in arrival of their messiah and eradication of jews, if zionism is only a political one, jewish expslsion from Arab lands ........refusal of Any jewish immigration, Arabs siding with Hitler.... Anyway, Israel at most can be held liable for coordination, and not the actually massacre that occurred Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians are directly involved in what happened a year ago, backed by western leftists, celebrated by all Muslims
This seems pretty biased towards Israel. I don’t know how you can say Zionism doesn’t advocate for an ethnic state when that is the express goal of right wing israeli parties. It is also pretty suspect to compare IRA sympathies to nazi sympathies. The IRA certainly had racist members but the organization as a whole saw the struggle of Palestinians as similar to their own struggle against England. And your whole “the guy cleaning the toilets at the reichstag logic doesn’t make any sense and seems like you equate criticism against Israeli army actions as criticisms towards the entire citizenry of Israel. Also that logic is literally an extension of the Nuremberg defense which Jews themselves criticize
The definition of Zionism is that the Jews have a right to nation-state in the land of Israel/Palestine only the extreme right in Israel wants an ethnic state
McBride left the IRA in the late 30s becoming a prominent human rights lawyer, politician, academic, and diplomat. While he was a member of the IRA, it was actually sympathetic to Zionism. McBride himself was on the left wing of the army. The IRA's sympathies began to change following the Nakbah and the IRA's shift to the left in the 60s.
Yes , good information and video, appreciate your work, I was a marine sent over there as a back up awaiting on ship offshore for the marines already in Lebanon, and the first time in marine history this has ever happened, we were given blank ammunition and told we were a peace keeping mission came directly from president Reagan at the time, so many years later I find out the 2 marines on guard duty at the marine barracks that day had blank ammunition and had no way to stop the mad bomber, chew on this awhile , it never at the time got out to the public, always bothered me to this day, yes I would’ve thrown rocks and done whatever it takes to fight those evil people back then, those decisions never did sit right with me
We didn't have blanks. We had unloaded weapons. The 2 sentries did fire at the Mercedes dump truck that was set up to take small arms fire. Unfortunately, it was too late. I will say we were in a lot of firefights more than anyone has ever reported. To this day Casper Weinberger Is to blame for our withdrawal and Congress led by Tip O'Neil with their decision for us to have unloaded weapons was asinine and led to the death of our brothers. It was a massive sh!t show!!
@@jimsharp50441/8 Comm. You can talk about us, but you can’t talk without us. Blank ammo? I call bullsh*t. And it wasn’t the “barracks”, it was the BLT.
In the Spring of 1984, immediately after Marine Corps Basic Training, I was assigned to the USS Dwight D Eisenhower Nuclear aircraft carrier as the ship's MP guarding the ship's nuclear weapons. However, in the Fall of 1984, the Marines on the ship received emergency orders to get ready to be deployed to Beriut Lebanon, I think, because even late in 1984, Beirut Lebanon remained "a Hot Spot". Were there were more threats of terrorists or boomb.
Best researched documentary I have seen about this conflict, this series is top notch for an historian like me. Also I don't see where is the Israeli bias besides agreeing with his right to exist. I think all internal and external factions have a fair amount of criticism in this series.
he said Zionism can't be racist or pro-apartheid because (according to him) no one who expresses these beliefs is explicitly so. That's pretty clearly a biased analysis of the competing reports on what the Falangists did to Palestinian refugee camps.
it does not matter how much you try to absolve the blame off the Israelis, they were at the end of the day the main suppliers of arms, money, and training to the phalangist fascists. It's like trying to absolve America's involvement in Nicaragua with the Contras. Complete lack of material analysis and just idealistic conjectures with an unconditional bias.
I'm a longtime visitor to the region and lived in Lebanon for 2 years and Palestine for 6, I work in humanitarian aid. I must say I think you give a very good explanation and breakdown of the Sabra-Shatila massacre and how Israel just kind of, well, backed off and not cared (yet still controlled entry/exit and helped lighting at night). Journalist Robert Fisk was one of the first to make it in an his recounting is horrible (he also saw what the Syrians did in Hama in the same year - a much forgotten event). That said, the opening provides one bit of misinformation. "After a string of terror attacks, the IDF..." indeed in the past there had been attacks via organizaitons within the PLO (Fateh, PFLP-GC) from Lebanon. But the impetus for the final decision to invade was not at all related to the PLO or any member organization. It was an attack by the Abu Nidal group, a effectively, mercenary terrorist group that had its own agenda. It was the attempted assassination of Amb. Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador to the UK on June 3, 1982. It was found by investigators that the next target on their list in the UK was the PLO ambassador to the UK. The PLO at the time was courting Europe and America and had zero interest in such attacks - it had its own public offices well known in most European capitals. So why? Abu NIdal's group (ANO) attacked both Israeli and PLO almost equally. It tried to kill Yasser Arafat several times and Abbas once. In 1991, Abu NIdal assassinated in his home Arafat's #2, Abu Iyad and a few security chiefs in Tunis. He was definitely nuts, later claiming responsibility for IRA attacks, and even claimed credit for blowing up the US Space Shuttle Challenger! He was hired for a few years by Iraq in the 1970s-80s and then later by Libya, until he was kicked out in 1999 and fled back to Iraq (where he was eventually killed). I read in one place, he later sold his bombing services between Turkey and Greece during their conflict over Cyprus, but I cant find it now. Anyway, that was the excuse Min. of Defense Ariel Sharon wanted to use to invade, but had nothing to do at all with anyone in Lebanon.
Israelis destroyed Palestine and Displaced Palestinians. Palestinians in turn destroyed Lebanon and displaced Lebanese. If Israel didn't exist, at least most or some of these tragedies would have been avoided.
in Lebanon they dont teach us the history of Lebanese civil war. This is really a very good video Thank you very much , I hope you keep posting about it
The officers stationed outside the camp couldn't see what was going on? How about the screams of people being killed and raped 🤔 guess they couldn't hear either
Bit of a biast narration there, blaming Palestinians in a refugee camp for not keeping adequate records of casualties after a massacre committed by the phalangists under the supervision of a foreign army, and alleging the IDF earnestly believed this wouldn’t happen when the phalangists went into the camps is quite a strange interpretation especially without covering any of the Palestinian testimonies of the events. Just my honest opinion not trying to be insulting in any way.
@@CasualHistorian and do you think the Israeli military was so naive as to think this thing wouldn't happen as the Falangists went into the camps? the IDF offered some mealy mouthed justifications, not anything that would genuinely convince anyone that the Palestinians would be treated with any restraint.
I really tried to like these videos but the lack of neutrality is obvious for me as a native of the area being discussed I do encourage people to watch it to gain some idea about these historical events but when actions don't add up or whenever he's giving his opinion take it with a grain of salt as he sounds pro-israel
I'm sorry you feel that way but ah you missed his open criticism of Isreal & his even greater criticism of people being blindly pro Isreal over the course of his channel. consider please giving specific example he got wrong or bent.
@@BrorealeK I'm sorry? Which part is the tough guy talk. I asked him for an example of what he thinks he got wrong or bent to be pro Isreal. I don't understand how that is supposed to make me look tough. God this makes me feel old. Is this a new internet standard where examples or specifics are taboo or intimidating. Please unironically tell me what I did to be seen so aggressive?
@@zombieat thank you for elaborating. I do think he was trying to redefine it but in his haste to address the UN's inaccurate definition I can see how it could come across that way. Considering he has covered Isreals bad actions & major failings in other videos I think it's safe to assume he wasn't trying to covet for them.
How does General Seán McBride's role in the IRA discredit his report. He joined the IRA in the midst of Ireland's war of independence when it was the army of the democratically elected government of Ireland, Dáil Eireann. Upon leaving the IRA, he played a major role in human rights across the globe. Being a co-author of the ECHR and a co-founder of Amnesty.
Well done. You have peers on YT but I haven't found parity with your channel. I'm not even certain the State Department understands this topic clearly.
When know the massacre, a menber of the Knesset, a survivor of the holocaust, ask to Sharon if him want the "Final Solution" to the palestinian problem....
People who are getting their information from this video will not notice anything, but any expert would clearly see the bias here. I recommend anyone watching to look a number of sources if they are interested in the truth rather than cool novels
My sisters auntie is married to George Shultz great grand daughter. Bashir Al Assad is great vecause his name tells us where to bash. Get it? Bash here! Basheer?!? Bwahahahahw
You are completely unqualified to present your version of facts. I was an intelligence officer serving in Lebanon during that period from January 1982 to January 1984, and I can tell you for a fact that you have no clue of what you are talking about. Leave history to real historians .
there is one important piece of information that might help understand really what happened . after the plo withdrawal from west beirut, a peace keeping force of us, french, and italian troops landed . the were supposed to stay for 2 months i think to protect the remaining palestinians and insure all goes well ....keep in mind that the idf were still surrounding west beirut ... for some mysterious reason , the us and the others withdrew their troops after 2 weeks ! a few days later bachir gets wacked, the idf enters beirut against all promises, to maintain peace they claimed....2 days later sabra and chatila massacre take place under israeli supervision ...
STOP with defending Israeli murderers in every sentence. We are from Lebanon and lived this. My uncle was killed in Shatila ..and they were Israeli soldiers doing the killing of innocent civilians according to many eyewitnesses that survived, not just Lebanese working with Israeli killers Almost 5,000 people innocent people were murdered .women men children Same thing happened in Palestine by Israeli Jews from.1936 to 1948.
Zionism is apartheid, we can see that in the creation of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinian people the last 75 years. Zionism is not an ideology that is equivalent to Judaism.
a few notes about your comments on the sabra and shatila massacre: • on israel repeatedly asking the lebanese army to clear the camp out before the phalangists did: that is at best questionable and at worst misrepresentation on your end. the only source for israel repeatedly asking the lebanese army to come into the camp is Jillian Becker's 1984 "PLO: The Rise and Fall of the Palestine Liberation Organization" book. from wikipedia: "The PLO: The Rise and Fall of the Palestine Liberation Organization was commissioned by Weidenfeld & Nicolson and published in 1984. Becker spent months in Lebanon during the war in which Israel drove the PLO out of that country. She claimed to have retrieved secret documents from ruins of bombed PLO office buildings and to have interviewed Lebanese of all denominations and Palestinians who had experienced PLO oppression, as well as supporters, members and leaders of the PLO." so the source is practically "dude trust me" as she never presented said documents, ALSO the book itself distorts reality. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2307/2537028?journalCode=rpal20 see this. becker misrepresents the sale of palestinian lands to jewish people before 1948. hardly a source you should put in a video that aims to inform viewers on history without at least informing them about the source's issues you also neglected to mention that israel and lebanon being at war, had israel provably asked the lebanese army to clear out the camp before the phalangists did, they may have seen it as a trap. you neglected to mention israel's history with lebanon- nobody forget the hula massacre. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hula_massacre in case you weren't aware- the guy was brought to court but received a presidential retroactive amnesty. he even became director general of the jewish agency. why would the lebanese government trust an enemy of war that had previously committed a massacre against its population? • on the israeli government not intending for the massacre to happen, while you are entitled to your opinion, most of the witnesses' accounts go contrary to it. the IDF shelled sabra and shatila. there's also a lot of reports from israeli and phalangists sources that support the notion the IDF bombarded lebanese civilians without discrimination. General Mordecai Gur supported the notion with regards to the 1978 invasion of South Lebanon. source: David Hirst's Beware of Small States, which itself references an Israeli newspaper. • on your comment about how the phalangists could just have been joking, that's incredibly naive and disappointing as far as arguments go. their leader was assassinated by the PLO and the phalangists had committed MULTIPLE atrocities against palestinians and lebanese. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Lebanon for reference (tel al-zaatar, ehden, safra). you've neglected to mention that context, i doubt you did so willingly but there is no way they could have just been joking. also, "On 24 March 1970 a squad of Phalange militiamen led by Bashir Gemayel ambushed a PLO funeral cortege heading for Damascus when it passed through the Christian village of Kahale in the Aley District, killing ten people and wounding an even greater number, mostly Palestinians." there is absolutely no way the israelis just interpreted it as a joke. overall i feel quite disappointed with your representation of the sabra and shatila massacres. nobody is expecting you to pick sides and you are entitled to your opinion but it feels like you downplayed a LOT of things with regards to it.
some things i'd like to add: • i've conducted that research as impartially as i could. i believe in the right to a state where jewish people can live with full rights guaranteed to them, as well as palestinians, as equals. • i can provide a first-hand account on the IDF's behavior towards civilians. i lived in lebanon during the war of 2006 and lived in a poor, residential "neighborhood", in choueifat, beirut. i say "neighborhood" because it was four apartments and some shops in the middle of nowhere. but anyhow- we had to leave lebanon for syria when israel launched its invasion and when we came back there were huge holes all over our apartment. this isn't just anecdotal evidence however, there are tons of reports from israeli sources that support my claim. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War#Targeting_of_civilian_targets_by_Israel see this for reference HOWEVER it's not all bad- there were many in the IDF that avoided civilian casualties. "On 6 August 2008, Yonatan Shapiro, a former Blackhawk helicopter pilot dismissed from reserve duty after signing a 'refusnik' letter in 2004, said that some Israeli fighter pilots had deliberately missed targets in order to avoid harming civilians, as disquiet grew in the military about flawed intelligence" • david hirst is a controversial historian who has been banned in six arab states. however the sources he references are verifiable unlike your source for the israeli government asking the lebanese army to come into the camp.
The PLO didn't kill Bachir Gemayel you idiot. Tal Al Zaatar was a battle which lasted about a month or two. Not a massacre, check your own sources. Ehden and Safra were battles as well, Ahrar is a militia and so was Marada.
You are completely unqualified to present your version of facts. I was an intelligence officer serving in Lebanon during that period from January 1982 to January 1984, and I can tell you for a fact that you have no clue of what you are talking about. Leave history to real historians .
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In 1985 Ariel Sharon declared that he and Israel made a mistake by not killing Arafat in 1983. He would maintain that position for the rest of his life.
Well, he probably didn't change that position because Arafat kept supporting terrorism and order for the murder of Israeli civilians.
this document is a simple head news for amateurs, it's missing dots and what was really happened. One of the supper powers didn't want to see Lebanon in a good relationship with isreal
Thats ok. Sharon was still able to slaughter innocent unarmed civilians with near-zero penalties by permitting the 3-day massacre in the Sabra-Shatila camps. You can freely visit the camps today and the people are very kind, but almost nothing has been rebuilt since the civil war, sadly.
Sharon was not in Sabra and Shatilla and had no hand in the massacre
The IDF wasn’t either, the main thing that can be pinned on them in regards to sabra and shatilla is that they were not as heavy handed in regulating the Maronite militias as they should have been when they entered the camp and carried out the massacre
Good video. You have been the most authoritative source of info about the Lebanese Civil War I can find on TH-cam.
Puppy wars 4 is so cool
New Guinea has a good flag
Puppy wars sounds demeaning to the victims of these wars.
@@khubza8999there’s no way you’re serious. The joke is that he had change a lot of the video to stock footage of puppies so it wouldn’t get demonetized.
with all this, idk how it is called civil war when 4 nations are fighting each other
Because they’re basically the same people, even if they’re artificially divided and stoked by waves of Jewish migration.
By far my weird history that would have avoided all this shit in the Middle East is when America was looking into making Alaska the homeland of the Jewish people- and at the same time Britain was also looking into a homeland of the Jewish people, they seriously considered giving them Madagascar. (At least it’s better than Alaska 😅)
And if EITHER nation would have stepped up and given them simple citizenship prior to 1938-39, millions could have been saved.
I would certainly like some context as to Bachir Gemayel's back and forth with the Israelis. Was this a common thing among the Maronites? Did he want to gain support among the Muslims?
The only reason Sheikh Bachir Gemayel was in contact with them was because the Lebanese Christians were the enemy of everyone in the region who were trying to take over our country. Also relations with our neighbors was better than having one more enemy against us. The isrealis never wanted to take over Lebanon all they were doing was getting rid of the mess that the Palestinians caused and spread into proxy militias that divided the Lebanese people.
In talks with Israeli PM, Bachir said that a Peace Treaty would happen only if all foreign armies are expelled.
I as a Christian Lebanese, would like and hope Isreal/America will do something very drastic and must be done if Lebanon and the Lebanese people want to live in peace..... from what I've been observing hizballshaytan/ hizballah.. shame on them using the name of God as a milita going to war against the Jewish which are the Children of God ...
Anyway hizballshaytan is the biggest problem Lebanon has...... even our own president who himself ran away to France to escape death fighting his own people Christian against Christian...
The delta Lebanese forces against the whole Lebanese Army who the General that is president now... though the army itself was also divided because it had a multi religion soldiers who swore to protect their country so it was a big mess and may God have mercy on all the innocent blood they both shed.... then Syria came swept us easily because we were busy killing each others....
So I would love for Israel and America to do something to change this extremely extremely corrupted government.....
Our president is a puppet for hizballshaytan he goes against them he knows he's a dead man... like many others who stand in their way.... I certainly know now many Lebanese Christians won't agree with what I'm saying.... I tell them you people are blinded by politicians that are blinded because of the money they steal.....
Lebanon needs a government not a mafia.... some who can oppose and not run with their schemes....
Just try to compare the Israeli government with the Lebanese it's not possible... because even with corruption in many countries like Israel, there's still a law that works and brings people to be judged in the courts... in Lebanon we don't have that they blame the paper boy who doesn't know a thing they're doing the poor people who they can take advantage of.... Israel is a very beautiful country and it was built around the same time as Lebanon... Israelis follow the law on the streets and have a very clean and safe cities... total opposite of Lebanon.
We could have been there with them if we just stood with them strong because in the end Christians are very different from Islam we have the King of Peace Yesua al massih.... Jesus the Messiah the only true Savior... no other..
Muslims want to try and erase Israel and they call Israel the enemy..most or many many Lebanese then also call Israel the enemy because they don't know who the real threat is... they say if Israel is bombing Lebanon then that's it .. they're enemies... I personally love Isreal and Israelis especially the people who follow my Savior Jesus Christ the Messiah...
Islam denies Jesus and his Father and Holy Spirit, the main three that are ONE body... and so we are a part of the trinity.
I live in a building that is full of Muslims. Christians. Jews .Atheist. Hindus and all kinds of different religions and we are all living in peace... why is it that Islam still not stopping the killing 🤔.
Because I believe and that's only my opinion... that Islam is a culture of kingship and ruling authorities with the sword... that's how Islam grew by shedding blood... In the Bible Jesus says killing for revenge as in eye for an eye and so on is not the way of life.. he said
IAM the last sacrifice I will save you from death if you just listen and follow my footsteps and no one else's...
I can keep going on and on ....
I really enjoyed this documentary thank you and God bless 🙏
@@save179 Southern Lebanese here, I agree with you 100%. It baffles me that this foreign funded party and especially foreign lead, Nasrallah does nothing without Iran’s leaders permission, controls so much and is responsible for so much suffering and death, yet the south have so much support for them. I can’t wait to never see the yellow flags in my village again. Hopefully one day we will have peace with Israel, Lord knows Israel wants it and the only reason we don’t have it is because of Syria and Iran and their dogs.
it was common among all factions in lebanon, alliances were constantly shifting, and loyalty was nonexistent
If you say you did it on purpose, the puppy footage makes you a dadaist master.
Its kinda bad marketing. Why would i want to see the uncensored version and miss that puppy
The initial mission of the Marines was securing PLO withdrawal; that was accomplished.
Upon the Marines Redeployment, the Marines were issued orders Not to return fire when fired upon. The Marines were ordered to patrol the streets of Beirut without magazines in their M16 ie advertising their vulnerability.
When the Marines finally engaged, it was too little too late.
The Marines’ sudden withdrawal after the barracks bombing, was a major moral defeat to US military image in the middle east and a turning point in history.
Under these rules of engagement, Weinberger’s initial advice was on target.
I was there for the beginning and the end with Grenada in the middle. It was something.
Mission creep almost always ends doing more harm than good
When Muslims massacre Christians again and again it’s just brushed off in the video but when it happens to the PLO in camps is given sad music and an essay. Intresting
True.
Can you tell me an event when Muslims killed 1200-1500 Jews? Oh yeah maybe that’s why…
@@scuzzymcticklish199well that comment didn't age well...
@@TonySwaby212Didn’t age well at all
History of Lebanon shows overwhelmingly the massacre of Christians by Muslims being minimal compared to the other way around. Christian militants during the civil war were much more brutal especially with Palestinians, the Shabra/Shatila massacres were committed by Christians loyal to Syria to make Israel look bad and help force their exit from the country to also Syria to gain more control.
Long Live Lebanon 🇱🇧
thank you for another epic video of this series
Thanks for this summary. It's a valuable information.
It is refreshing to hear the actual facts without bias. Totally enjoy your videos.
As usual, a very well researched summary of the events. Somewhat timely also, given the rumblings of war in Lebanon are getting louder these days, possibly leading to another civil war and/or another Israeli invasion.
Israel doesn't have any incentive to invade. The only thing Israel wants to see is that Lebanon acts as a free, independent state from the terrorists Hezbollah, which is exactly what the Lebanese people want too.
Iraq is about to have a civil war and so is America too
@@dl6860 ..........100% I call them hizballshaytan that's what they do they make you submit or you'll get it... Iran is the same thing... people want freedom though iblees Satan is in control.
@@dl6860 do the Shiite Lebanese want that? How about the Armenian Lebanese? And what about the Druze and Palestinian refugees. I’m sure a terror group like hezbollah is very unpopular for obvious reasons but Israel is far from popular in Lebanon. To understand why you should first understand why using a term like Lebanese is not a good description as there are dozens of different groups there with widely ranging opinions
@@christophewakim5545 Thanks Christophe. The only thing Israelis want to see is a free Lebanon, one where Hezbollah or any other organisation gets in the way of peace and free market economies. The best thing for Lebanon would be the best thing for the region - so much trust and peace that you could see a train from Tel Aviv to Beirut. We pray every day that the people of Lebanon could be free and independent, because only on that day will there be peace and open boarders. That said, it will be far easier to achieve with Lebanon than with the Palestinians. They still have a long way to go before their culture evolves into one that will be productive for Lebanese society and the rest of the world. It starts with stopping to teach hate... but even that may be a long ways away from them. Until now, we pray patiently...
This seems like a pretty pro-israeli take. They were the ones who surrounded the camps and "asked" the phelanges to go in. How can you say they were less responsible. Also, by most definitions, Zionism is a nationalistic ideology and calling any criticism of Zionism antisemitism is pretty much a biased right wing point of view. Zionism is a nationalistic ideology that advocates for a national home for the Jewish people. It's not related to Judaism as a religion in any way or form.
Also, the Kahan report is less biased? So the Israelis writing a report about themselves and deciding that they were not responsible is not biased? That's like cops investigating themselves and always coming out clear
Really? more Lebanese were killed by other Lebanese and by the Syrians than the Israelis, directly and indirectly. The vast majority of the people who died in the Lebanese Civil War weren't killed by the Israelis. The Syrian Army killed a lot of Lebanese.
The Israelis do get tired of their citizens being attacked repeatedly, so they respond as they should.
on the flip side, the islamic ideology is knee deep in arrival of their messiah and eradication of jews,
if zionism is only a political one, jewish expslsion from Arab lands ........refusal of Any jewish immigration, Arabs siding with Hitler....
Anyway,
Israel at most can be held liable for coordination, and not the actually massacre that occurred
Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians are directly involved in what happened a year ago, backed by western leftists, celebrated by all Muslims
Cry about it.
Thanks
This seems pretty biased towards Israel. I don’t know how you can say Zionism doesn’t advocate for an ethnic state when that is the express goal of right wing israeli parties. It is also pretty suspect to compare IRA sympathies to nazi sympathies. The IRA certainly had racist members but the organization as a whole saw the struggle of Palestinians as similar to their own struggle against England. And your whole “the guy cleaning the toilets at the reichstag logic doesn’t make any sense and seems like you equate criticism against Israeli army actions as criticisms towards the entire citizenry of Israel. Also that logic is literally an extension of the Nuremberg defense which Jews themselves criticize
The definition of Zionism is that the Jews have a right to nation-state in the land of Israel/Palestine only the extreme right in Israel wants an ethnic state
McBride left the IRA in the late 30s becoming a prominent human rights lawyer, politician, academic, and diplomat. While he was a member of the IRA, it was actually sympathetic to Zionism.
McBride himself was on the left wing of the army.
The IRA's sympathies began to change following the Nakbah and the IRA's shift to the left in the 60s.
Discovered you channel and have fallen in love. I love history especially Cold War history. You have so many videos and they’re all so long! ❤❤❤
I liked how he mentioned Habib Shartouni
Yes , good information and video, appreciate your work, I was a marine sent over there as a back up awaiting on ship offshore for the marines already in Lebanon, and the first time in marine history this has ever happened, we were given blank ammunition and told we were a peace keeping mission came directly from president Reagan at the time, so many years later I find out the 2 marines on guard duty at the marine barracks that day had blank ammunition and had no way to stop the mad bomber, chew on this awhile , it never at the time got out to the public, always bothered me to this day, yes I would’ve thrown rocks and done whatever it takes to fight those evil people back then, those decisions never did sit right with me
We didn't have blanks. We had unloaded weapons. The 2 sentries did fire at the Mercedes dump truck that was set up to take small arms fire. Unfortunately, it was too late. I will say we were in a lot of firefights more than anyone has ever reported. To this day Casper Weinberger Is to blame for our withdrawal and Congress led by Tip O'Neil with their decision for us to have unloaded weapons was asinine and led to the death of our brothers. It was a massive sh!t show!!
You with 1/8?
@@jimsharp50441/8 Comm. You can talk about us, but you can’t talk without us. Blank ammo? I call bullsh*t. And it wasn’t the “barracks”, it was the BLT.
In the Spring of 1984, immediately after Marine Corps Basic Training, I was assigned to the USS Dwight D Eisenhower Nuclear aircraft carrier as the ship's MP guarding the ship's nuclear weapons. However, in the Fall of 1984, the Marines on the ship received emergency orders to get ready to be deployed to Beriut Lebanon, I think, because even late in 1984, Beirut Lebanon remained "a Hot Spot". Were there were more threats of terrorists or boomb.
Keep it coming
good job bro
Very important piece of history here and accurate telling
Best researched documentary I have seen about this conflict, this series is top notch for an historian like me. Also I don't see where is the Israeli bias besides agreeing with his right to exist. I think all internal and external factions have a fair amount of criticism in this series.
he said Zionism can't be racist or pro-apartheid because (according to him) no one who expresses these beliefs is explicitly so. That's pretty clearly a biased analysis of the competing reports on what the Falangists did to Palestinian refugee camps.
@@BrorealeK according to Torah there shall be no state of Jews
@@logical-reasoning that is wrong.
@@alonraigorodetsky1803 so you mean Torah is wrong?
@@logical-reasoning No I am saying that you are wrong. The Torah does not say that.
it does not matter how much you try to absolve the blame off the Israelis, they were at the end of the day the main suppliers of arms, money, and training to the phalangist fascists. It's like trying to absolve America's involvement in Nicaragua with the Contras.
Complete lack of material analysis and just idealistic conjectures with an unconditional bias.
Cope Arab
The wait is over.
I'm a longtime visitor to the region and lived in Lebanon for 2 years and Palestine for 6, I work in humanitarian aid. I must say I think you give a very good explanation and breakdown of the Sabra-Shatila massacre and how Israel just kind of, well, backed off and not cared (yet still controlled entry/exit and helped lighting at night). Journalist Robert Fisk was one of the first to make it in an his recounting is horrible (he also saw what the Syrians did in Hama in the same year - a much forgotten event).
That said, the opening provides one bit of misinformation. "After a string of terror attacks, the IDF..." indeed in the past there had been attacks via organizaitons within the PLO (Fateh, PFLP-GC) from Lebanon. But the impetus for the final decision to invade was not at all related to the PLO or any member organization. It was an attack by the Abu Nidal group, a effectively, mercenary terrorist group that had its own agenda.
It was the attempted assassination of Amb. Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador to the UK on June 3, 1982. It was found by investigators that the next target on their list in the UK was the PLO ambassador to the UK. The PLO at the time was courting Europe and America and had zero interest in such attacks - it had its own public offices well known in most European capitals. So why?
Abu NIdal's group (ANO) attacked both Israeli and PLO almost equally. It tried to kill Yasser Arafat several times and Abbas once. In 1991, Abu NIdal assassinated in his home Arafat's #2, Abu Iyad and a few security chiefs in Tunis. He was definitely nuts, later claiming responsibility for IRA attacks, and even claimed credit for blowing up the US Space Shuttle Challenger! He was hired for a few years by Iraq in the 1970s-80s and then later by Libya, until he was kicked out in 1999 and fled back to Iraq (where he was eventually killed). I read in one place, he later sold his bombing services between Turkey and Greece during their conflict over Cyprus, but I cant find it now.
Anyway, that was the excuse Min. of Defense Ariel Sharon wanted to use to invade, but had nothing to do at all with anyone in Lebanon.
Israelis destroyed Palestine and Displaced Palestinians. Palestinians in turn destroyed Lebanon and displaced Lebanese. If Israel didn't exist, at least most or some of these tragedies would have been avoided.
If Israel wouldn't exist, y'all 3r*bs would drive the Jews to the brink of extinction and would achieve your imperialist plot that is the Ummah
If Israel didnt exist, Jews would still be suffering
How did Israel destroyed palestine if palestine never existed? I'm serious - in 1948 there were no any palestine state so what are you talking about?
in Lebanon they dont teach us the history of Lebanese civil war.
This is really a very good video Thank you very much , I hope you keep posting about it
It's one side of the story
this is not history, this is propaganda.
Its super biased towards israel .
It's high time Lebanon formally changed its name to what it was described as being in the video "A Lost Cause".
I'd personally like to thank TH-cam for protecting us from reality. God Forbid I'd hear bad words.
This is the part of the war that has the most puppies.
The officers stationed outside the camp couldn't see what was going on? How about the screams of people being killed and raped 🤔 guess they couldn't hear either
Excellent video!
Bit of a biast narration there, blaming Palestinians in a refugee camp for not keeping adequate records of casualties after a massacre committed by the phalangists under the supervision of a foreign army, and alleging the IDF earnestly believed this wouldn’t happen when the phalangists went into the camps is quite a strange interpretation especially without covering any of the Palestinian testimonies of the events. Just my honest opinion not trying to be insulting in any way.
I didn't blame the Palestinians for not keeping records after the massacre. I was blaming the Lebanese government for not keeping records beforehand.
AGREE
@@CasualHistorian and do you think the Israeli military was so naive as to think this thing wouldn't happen as the Falangists went into the camps? the IDF offered some mealy mouthed justifications, not anything that would genuinely convince anyone that the Palestinians would be treated with any restraint.
@@CasualHistorian reading the comments I think know why TH-cam might have wanted to restrict this topic.
not that approve obviously.
@@BrorealeK No one could have expected what would have happened, captain hindsight.
Why don’t you mention Palestinian massacres of Lebanese please don’t defend them so much
I really tried to like these videos but the lack of neutrality is obvious for me as a native of the area being discussed I do encourage people to watch it to gain some idea about these historical events but when actions don't add up or whenever he's giving his opinion take it with a grain of salt as he sounds pro-israel
I'm sorry you feel that way but ah you missed his open criticism of Isreal & his even greater criticism of people being blindly pro Isreal over the course of his channel.
consider please giving specific example he got wrong or bent.
@@AspiringDevil I like how you pretended to be reasonable for half a second before raging out with internet tough guy talk.
@@BrorealeK I'm sorry?
Which part is the tough guy talk.
I asked him for an example of what he thinks he got wrong or bent to be pro Isreal.
I don't understand how that is supposed to make me look tough. God this makes me feel old. Is this a new internet standard where examples or specifics are taboo or intimidating.
Please unironically tell me what I did to be seen so aggressive?
@@AspiringDevil for me it's his redefinition of zionisim as if israel is not explicitly the very
@@zombieat thank you for elaborating. I do think he was trying to redefine it but in his haste to address the UN's inaccurate definition I can see how it could come across that way.
Considering he has covered Isreals bad actions & major failings in other videos I think it's safe to assume he wasn't trying to covet for them.
@36:18 See when americans decided to call it quits, they just left. No need for no stinkin' "off ramps".
You cannot absolve British of their actions in Ireland no matter how much you distort the facts
How does General Seán McBride's role in the IRA discredit his report. He joined the IRA in the midst of Ireland's war of independence when it was the army of the democratically elected government of Ireland, Dáil Eireann.
Upon leaving the IRA, he played a major role in human rights across the globe. Being a co-author of the ECHR and a co-founder of Amnesty.
Now with what's happening in Gaza, do you still believe the massacre was unintentional?
that definition of zionism isnt anti Semitic its just true
This doesn’t make sense
@@cl9615 they rarely do
@@cl9615 i meant zionsim sorry lol
@@revengeproductions9697 still doesn’t make sense lol
@@cl9615 he is trying to say anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitic, “It’s true”
Do one about Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹
Because Israel told them to.
Well done. You have peers on YT but I haven't found parity with your channel. I'm not even certain the State Department understands this topic clearly.
Yet again there was a high amount of cocaine and heroin addiction in the philangists. They were also war weary angry and ruthless.
US sent troops to Lebanon because US had moral commitment to help Israel? What the fuck...
US envoy for peace in Lebanon, Philip Habib back &forth in the middle east, how important of his visit ? Is USA have say for this mesenger
“Why not?”
GOP has Oct 83 Blood on their hands.
When know the massacre, a menber of the Knesset, a survivor of the holocaust, ask to Sharon if him want the "Final Solution" to the palestinian problem....
The christian lebanese "Phalangist" got fooled
Great
People who are getting their information from this video will not notice anything, but any expert would clearly see the bias here. I recommend anyone watching to look a number of sources if they are interested in the truth rather than cool novels
America intervene with every country
We did not intervene, we were invited in by the elected government. Big difference.
"Now or Never"............is never..........enjoy it!!!!
Defining zionism as a racist ideology is not antisemitic.
Israel was directly responsible for the massacre
Syrians killed more Lebanese than the Israelis.
terrorist attacks against an invader ?
hahahajaha
Thank you
This man who knows who butters his bread, the zionists couldn’t ever do something like that, huh?
Israel is beast
My sisters auntie is married to George Shultz great grand daughter.
Bashir Al Assad is great vecause his name tells us where to bash.
Get it? Bash here! Basheer?!? Bwahahahahw
Long live our martyrs. For every traitor there is Habib
For every ssnp , there is someone licking the shoe of el assad and iran
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for every snake there's Ettiene Saqr
For every 1,000 Lebanese Forces votes there is 1 SSNP vote, mabrouk.
@@donnyjoe123bold of you to assume that votes mean anything in a corrupt and dysfunctional state
You are completely unqualified to present your version of facts. I was an intelligence officer serving in Lebanon during that period from January 1982 to January 1984, and I can tell you for a fact that you have no clue of what you are talking about. Leave history to real historians
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Propaganda video. Thanks but no thanks.
there is one important piece of information that might help understand really what happened .
after the plo withdrawal from west beirut, a peace keeping force of us, french, and italian troops landed . the were supposed to stay for 2 months i think to protect the remaining palestinians and insure all goes well ....keep in mind that the idf were still surrounding west beirut ...
for some mysterious reason , the us and the others withdrew their troops after 2 weeks !
a few days later bachir gets wacked, the idf enters beirut against all promises, to maintain peace they claimed....2 days later sabra and chatila massacre take place under israeli supervision ...
O interesse dos EUA no libano é a fronteira com a Palestina. Kkkkk ele pensa que o povo é burro, gente???
STOP with defending Israeli murderers in every sentence. We are from Lebanon and lived this. My uncle was killed in Shatila ..and they were Israeli soldiers doing the killing of innocent civilians according to many eyewitnesses that survived, not just Lebanese working with Israeli killers
Almost 5,000 people innocent people were murdered
.women men children
Same thing happened in Palestine by Israeli Jews from.1936 to 1948.
You are delusional, Israel was created in 1948 and before it's the arabs who killed the Jews, like in 1929.
Very biased video in favor of israel.
Forgot to take his Alzheimer’s medication?
Zionism is apartheid, we can see that in the creation of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinian people the last 75 years. Zionism is not an ideology that is equivalent to Judaism.
a few notes about your comments on the sabra and shatila massacre:
• on israel repeatedly asking the lebanese army to clear the camp out before the phalangists did: that is at best questionable and at worst misrepresentation on your end. the only source for israel repeatedly asking the lebanese army to come into the camp is Jillian Becker's 1984 "PLO: The Rise and Fall of the Palestine Liberation Organization" book. from wikipedia:
"The PLO: The Rise and Fall of the Palestine Liberation Organization was commissioned by Weidenfeld & Nicolson and published in 1984. Becker spent months in Lebanon during the war in which Israel drove the PLO out of that country. She claimed to have retrieved secret documents from ruins of bombed PLO office buildings and to have interviewed Lebanese of all denominations and Palestinians who had experienced PLO oppression, as well as supporters, members and leaders of the PLO."
so the source is practically "dude trust me" as she never presented said documents, ALSO the book itself distorts reality. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2307/2537028?journalCode=rpal20 see this. becker misrepresents the sale of palestinian lands to jewish people before 1948. hardly a source you should put in a video that aims to inform viewers on history without at least informing them about the source's issues
you also neglected to mention that israel and lebanon being at war, had israel provably asked the lebanese army to clear out the camp before the phalangists did, they may have seen it as a trap. you neglected to mention israel's history with lebanon- nobody forget the hula massacre. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hula_massacre in case you weren't aware- the guy was brought to court but received a presidential retroactive amnesty. he even became director general of the jewish agency. why would the lebanese government trust an enemy of war that had previously committed a massacre against its population?
• on the israeli government not intending for the massacre to happen, while you are entitled to your opinion, most of the witnesses' accounts go contrary to it. the IDF shelled sabra and shatila. there's also a lot of reports from israeli and phalangists sources that support the notion the IDF bombarded lebanese civilians without discrimination. General Mordecai Gur supported the notion with regards to the 1978 invasion of South Lebanon. source: David Hirst's Beware of Small States, which itself references an Israeli newspaper.
• on your comment about how the phalangists could just have been joking, that's incredibly naive and disappointing as far as arguments go. their leader was assassinated by the PLO and the phalangists had committed MULTIPLE atrocities against palestinians and lebanese. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Lebanon for reference (tel al-zaatar, ehden, safra). you've neglected to mention that context, i doubt you did so willingly but there is no way they could have just been joking. also,
"On 24 March 1970 a squad of Phalange militiamen led by Bashir Gemayel ambushed a PLO funeral cortege heading for Damascus when it passed through the Christian village of Kahale in the Aley District, killing ten people and wounding an even greater number, mostly Palestinians."
there is absolutely no way the israelis just interpreted it as a joke.
overall i feel quite disappointed with your representation of the sabra and shatila massacres. nobody is expecting you to pick sides and you are entitled to your opinion but it feels like you downplayed a LOT of things with regards to it.
some things i'd like to add:
• i've conducted that research as impartially as i could. i believe in the right to a state where jewish people can live with full rights guaranteed to them, as well as palestinians, as equals.
• i can provide a first-hand account on the IDF's behavior towards civilians. i lived in lebanon during the war of 2006 and lived in a poor, residential "neighborhood", in choueifat, beirut. i say "neighborhood" because it was four apartments and some shops in the middle of nowhere. but anyhow- we had to leave lebanon for syria when israel launched its invasion and when we came back there were huge holes all over our apartment. this isn't just anecdotal evidence however, there are tons of reports from israeli sources that support my claim. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War#Targeting_of_civilian_targets_by_Israel see this for reference
HOWEVER it's not all bad- there were many in the IDF that avoided civilian casualties. "On 6 August 2008, Yonatan Shapiro, a former Blackhawk helicopter pilot dismissed from reserve duty after signing a 'refusnik' letter in 2004, said that some Israeli fighter pilots had deliberately missed targets in order to avoid harming civilians, as disquiet grew in the military about flawed intelligence"
• david hirst is a controversial historian who has been banned in six arab states. however the sources he references are verifiable unlike your source for the israeli government asking the lebanese army to come into the camp.
The PLO didn't kill Bachir Gemayel you idiot. Tal Al Zaatar was a battle which lasted about a month or two. Not a massacre, check your own sources. Ehden and Safra were battles as well, Ahrar is a militia and so was Marada.
You are completely unqualified to present your version of facts. I was an intelligence officer serving in Lebanon during that period from January 1982 to January 1984, and I can tell you for a fact that you have no clue of what you are talking about. Leave history to real historians
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What particularly do you take issue with?