Pastor Bill Hamon & family came to Santa Maria Four Square (when Pastor Roger was Pastor) quite often in the past…. It was always a stretch for many of us to step out in faith to prophesy to the one on the left or right of us… The Hamon family was so dearly loved!! What great memories for soo many of us …
preparation takes a really long time for the destiny you're going to do like Moses 80 years before he did his 40 years p and Jesus 30 years before he did his three and a half😅 we all need a long time of preparation before we do our final performance I really good performance so people that right away think they're ready they're not takes a long time took a David a long time before he was King
There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only one type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned). In contrast, the “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with. It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns, alliteration, assonance, and over-simplification of syllable structure. The "nail in the coffin", so-to-speak, is that _any and all_ phonological rules (rules governing how sounds are put together in a given language - what is allowed and what is disallowed) governing a speaker's native language, will _also_ govern their tongues-speech. That fact alone negates anything that can be construed as 'divine' in nature and cements that fact that it is a self-created phenomenon. Further, this subset of phonemes mentioned above typically contains only those sounds which are easiest to produce physiologically. Occasionally some speakers will use two or more subsets of phonemes to generate glossolalia, producing what, to them, sounds like two (or more) distinct “tongues languages”, thus claiming to be able to speak in “divers tongues”. There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot be explained in relatively simple linguistic terms. Conversely, when it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s), though it may not be the explanation you want to hear, and it may be one which is radically different from what you believe, or were taught. _Nowhere_ in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced. “Praying in the Spirit” does _not_ refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.
I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from. It is only in certain Christian denominations where is it construed as something it never was. “Tongues” is to some Christian believers a very real and spiritually meaningful experience but consisting of emotional release via non-linguistic ‘free vocalizations’ at best; non-cognitive non language utterance - the subconscious playing with sounds to create what is perceived and interpreted as actual, meaningful speech. In _some_ cases, I would argue that it is clearly a self/mass delusion prompted by such a strong desire to “experience God” that one creates that experience via “tongues”.
‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it modern tongues-speech. As a point of note, I’m a Linguist, and let me also add here that I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ - I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”.
I can assure you that speaking in tongues is genuine. My spiritual growth improved when I used the gifts privately. Things improved spiritually for me; I started to feel closer to God, and the things of God became more real. It's a real phenomenon. I believe you're talking about the gift of tongues utilized in the assembly. I have been present when this occurred; and yes, there is an interp. But there is a private prayer language that is also given. Try to have an open mind and listen.
@@lilacicecream As I mentioned, I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. It's production, however, is as described in my original post. The "nail in the coffin", so-to-speak, is that _any and all_ phonological rules (rules governing how sounds are put together in a given language - what is allowed and what is disallowed) governing a speaker's native language, will _also_ govern their tongues-speech. That fact alone negates anything that can be construed as 'divine' in nature and cements that fact that it is a self-created phenomenon. And, as also mentioned, a person's tongues-speech will only contain those sounds which exist in the speaker's native language (or any other language they may have had contact with). It should be noted that these same statements can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from. It is only in certain Christian denominations where is it construed as something it never was. When referring to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s). ‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God/Holy Spirit given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy (as many people incorrectly assume), nor is it the self-created non-cognitive non-language utterance of what certain Christian denominations are producing today (modern tongues-speech). I'm in no way doubting the gift; just its interpretation by some denominations today.
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 What u have posted looks like a sermon or "preach," Maybe even a college lecture..Im not interested.....You won't change my mind anyhow; the one thing that is hard to press through is what seems like in others what is called a "religious spirit" is at work. Something even Jesus was persecuted by ..One of the reasons Jesus was killed was because he did not fully fall in line with the religious beliefs of his day. The gatekeepers basically seemed to harass him.......U can believe what u want, but I know the absolute truth,,,,, Paul spoke in Tongues, and it was more than just an open assembly of utterances. Go back and study it again because u are missing g something; I speak in tongues and will again today PRIVATELY and will emerge spiritually charged and happier. That is a FACT. That is TRUTH. Go back and, with an open mind and heart, ask God where u are missing it and read the bible again on this subject, putting aside what u have been convinced of.... Private tongues are genuine spiritual phenomena that come from God. It's not 'in the head" of people, not from 'the devil."The devil and mental issues may produce something that SOUNDS like biblical tongues, but there is an authentic gift from heaven that man and believers are enjoying. Don't throw mud on something you don't understand or fear,... The subject is now closed..
@@lilacicecream Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles - it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job description”. It also stands to reason that he wished others were able to do the same - would make his job a lot easier and the message could be better spread to all corners of the known world. Paul is not speaking about, nor is he advocating here for, modern tongues-speech. Modern tongues-speech is what it is - non-cognitive non-language utterance - there's just no getting around that.
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Pastor Bill Hamon & family came to Santa Maria Four Square (when Pastor Roger was Pastor) quite often in the past….
It was always a stretch for many of us to step out in faith to prophesy to the one on the left or right of us… The Hamon family was so dearly loved!! What great memories for soo many of us …
Even if i speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am nothing
preparation takes a really long time for the destiny you're going to do like Moses 80 years before he did his 40 years p and Jesus 30 years before he did his three and a half😅 we all need a long time of preparation before we do our final performance I really good performance so people that right away think they're ready they're not takes a long time took a David a long time before he was King
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There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only one type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned).
In contrast, the “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with.
It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns, alliteration, assonance, and over-simplification of syllable structure. The "nail in the coffin", so-to-speak, is that _any and all_ phonological rules (rules governing how sounds are put together in a given language - what is allowed and what is disallowed) governing a speaker's native language, will _also_ govern their tongues-speech. That fact alone negates anything that can be construed as 'divine' in nature and cements that fact that it is a self-created phenomenon. Further, this subset of phonemes mentioned above typically contains only those sounds which are easiest to produce physiologically.
Occasionally some speakers will use two or more subsets of phonemes to generate glossolalia, producing what, to them, sounds like two (or more) distinct “tongues languages”, thus claiming to be able to speak in “divers tongues”.
There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot be explained in relatively simple linguistic terms.
Conversely, when it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s), though it may not be the explanation you want to hear, and it may be one which is radically different from what you believe, or were taught. _Nowhere_ in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced.
“Praying in the Spirit” does _not_ refer to the words one is saying. Rather, it refers to how one is praying. In the three places it is used (Corinthians, Ephesians, and Jude), there is absolutely zero reference to 'languages' in connection with this phrase. “Praying in the Spirit” should be understood as praying in the power of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, and according to His will.
I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from. It is only in certain Christian denominations where is it construed as something it never was.
“Tongues” is to some Christian believers a very real and spiritually meaningful experience but consisting of emotional release via non-linguistic ‘free vocalizations’ at best; non-cognitive non language utterance - the subconscious playing with sounds to create what is perceived and interpreted as actual, meaningful speech. In _some_ cases, I would argue that it is clearly a self/mass delusion prompted by such a strong desire to “experience God” that one creates that experience via “tongues”.
‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it modern tongues-speech.
As a point of note, I’m a Linguist, and let me also add here that I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ - I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”.
Even if I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love I am nothing
I can assure you that speaking in tongues is genuine. My spiritual growth improved when I used the gifts privately. Things improved spiritually for me; I started to feel closer to God, and the things of God became more real. It's a real phenomenon. I believe you're talking about the gift of tongues utilized in the assembly. I have been present when this occurred; and yes, there is an interp. But there is a private prayer language that is also given. Try to have an open mind and listen.
@@lilacicecream
As I mentioned, I'm not doubting or questioning the 'tongues experience'; glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented.
It's production, however, is as described in my original post.
The "nail in the coffin", so-to-speak, is that _any and all_ phonological rules (rules governing how sounds are put together in a given language - what is allowed and what is disallowed) governing a speaker's native language, will _also_ govern their tongues-speech. That fact alone negates anything that can be construed as 'divine' in nature and cements that fact that it is a self-created phenomenon. And, as also mentioned, a person's tongues-speech will only contain those sounds which exist in the speaker's native language (or any other language they may have had contact with).
It should be noted that these same statements can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from. It is only in certain Christian denominations where is it construed as something it never was.
When referring to something spoken, there are absolutely _no_ Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s).
‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God/Holy Spirit given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy (as many people incorrectly assume), nor is it the self-created non-cognitive non-language utterance of what certain Christian denominations are producing today (modern tongues-speech). I'm in no way doubting the gift; just its interpretation by some denominations today.
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 What u have posted looks like a sermon or "preach," Maybe even a college lecture..Im not interested.....You won't change my mind anyhow; the one thing that is hard to press through is what seems like in others what is called a "religious spirit" is at work. Something even Jesus was persecuted by ..One of the reasons Jesus was killed was because he did not fully fall in line with the religious beliefs of his day. The gatekeepers basically seemed to harass him.......U can believe what u want, but I know the absolute truth,,,,, Paul spoke in Tongues, and it was more than just an open assembly of utterances. Go back and study it again because u are missing g something; I speak in tongues and will again today PRIVATELY and will emerge spiritually charged and happier. That is a FACT. That is TRUTH. Go back and, with an open mind and heart, ask God where u are missing it and read the bible again on this subject, putting aside what u have been convinced of.... Private tongues are genuine spiritual phenomena that come from God. It's not 'in the head" of people, not from 'the devil."The devil and mental issues may produce something that SOUNDS like biblical tongues, but there is an authentic gift from heaven that man and believers are enjoying. Don't throw mud on something you don't understand or fear,... The subject is now closed..
@@lilacicecream
Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles - it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job description”.
It also stands to reason that he wished others were able to do the same - would make his job a lot easier and the message could be better spread to all corners of the known world. Paul is not speaking about, nor is he advocating here for, modern tongues-speech.
Modern tongues-speech is what it is - non-cognitive non-language utterance - there's just no getting around that.