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- As Ireland played Italy in the 1994 World Cup, armed gunmen burst into a bar in rural Northern Ireland - shooting six innocent men dead as they watched the game. For decades, the case was left unsolved, despite the fact that the Police had troves of forensic evidence.
When journalists Barry McCaffrey and Trevor Birney began investigating, they found evidence that the British state had colluded in the murders. When they released it in their documentary ‘No Stone Unturned’ - they were arrested and had their homes and offices raided by police.
This is the story of a fight for press freedom.
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I had no idea such a massacre even happened, you learn something everyday. RIP to the victims
Dozens on both sides occurred
@@jonathanwilson4016 "both sides" 🙄
@@jenniferhughes7520 yes armed conflicts usually have two opposing factions or two sides
@@jonathanwilson4016 -_-
@@jenniferhughes7520 what is your point
The man behind the massacre is called Ronnie Hawthorne. His wife was there when they planned the attack and she gave a statement to police. The police covered it up.
👍 Even though the police know this they can't prosecute him as they are under instruction from the British look at the evidence the guns that done the job the balaclavas the men wore and the boilersuits? Ther is 100% syliva of some sort ther
any address for this man
false. it was undercover irish police officers
proof??
Ronnie Scumbag Hawthorne who lives a few miles away, Gorman Mcmullan and Alan Taylor were the three responsible for the killings! May the rot in Hell!
Is this the same UK that lectures other countries around the world on press freedom?
Says Abdullah, how is press freedom in your country?
@@johnduddy2359 Same as yours, thanks.
@@johnduddy2359 there are Abdullah’s in every country on this earth, so what do you mean by that? If you’ve got something to say i suggest you grow some cajones and be explicit rather than implying your racism.
@@makslargu5799 it is spelt Abdullahs not Abdullah's 😁
@@johnduddy2359 oh that’s cute, you don’t know the difference between spelling and punctuation.
These two are heros who exposed cowards.
After spending a week learning about the plantations in history, it saddens me to see that the effects of British rules are still as strong as they are today. Why can’t everyone just accept the outcome and move on? Investigating the past should never be a crime and no judicial system should ever prosecute a journalist for doing their job.
Plantations? A week should be longer, you’d almost have to take an anthropological approach to understand
I meant 2. But you’re right.
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@J B who also controlled all affairs in ulster.
@J B which was also legal in certain places since O'Neil ceded parts of his land to 2 others following him being pardoned by Edward after accidentally killing a soldier. The rest took place after the flight of the earls.
Oh wow the British arming terrorists color me surprised
It's a bit more complex than that, the most valuable things leaked by the British to loyalists wasnt weapons , which was rare, it was information on the homes etc of suspected IRA members, enabling loyalist groups to target the "right people" ( from their point of view)
People linked to the US government armed the IRA aswell.
@@jimjones8808 not forgetting Libya
I’ve just spent two weeks learning about the plantations in history, so nothing really surprises me anymore…
@@swfcocs1 your comment would hold more weight if the loyalist paramilitaries killed more than 20 ira during the 30 years of the troubles. Helped them in a lot of massacres of innocent people tho (loughinisland sean grahams bookmakers mcgurks bar) is that the right people you speak of
My grandparents planned to go to the bar that night, this was 5 years before my birth but I still lost 2 blood relatives to premeditated murder by the British regime.
Rip Frosty and Patsy.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
Tiocfaidh ár lá brother, may they rest in peace.
It did 100 years ago
Just like the numerous civilians that lost their lives to the retched terrorist organisation Irish Republican Army
@@BirdsfromHuntingdon Steal another people's land and such things tend to happen. Ireland belongs to the Irish.
@@anti-fascistapachehelicopt8236 Northern Ireland isn't Ireland. The majority of people there want to be part of the UK accept democracy you clown
Oh my god...I am not at all familiar with the incident. I thought the video would be about Northern Ireland national team losing badly in the world cup 😩
This stuff happened all of the time back then. Not just loyalists but republicans did it too. It was how the tit for tat worked. Republicans would shoot up a protestant pub, loyalists will shoot up a catholic pub in revenge, Republicans would shoot up a protestant pub in revenge, loyalists would shoot up a catholic pub. Nothing came of it except from grieving families and friends.
Same, for a second i thought it was one of those random videos that vox does, thought it would be a breakdown of the game.
@@CaptainX2012 when did Republicans shoot up a
@@paulcronin3626 If you are asking what bar republicans shot up then an example would be the Bayardo bar attack in the Shankill area of Belfast. They murdered five people.
@@CaptainX2012 what you say maybe right. But what you seem to be implying because these happened it's acceptable or leave in the pass. Your conclusions are morally unacceptable. And is part of the problem in a sectarian state.
You can trace 90% of today’s geopolitical issues back to “Great” Britain
well, for a critical time in history, they were essentially the 'evil empire' from storybooks. not that the other imperial powers were better, but Britain was so much bigger.
No you can't. Don't talk nonsense.
Yeah I'm sure all of the geopolitical issues in the Balkans, Eastern Europe, East Asia (Japan's role in WW2 especially), the Rwandan Genocide, the holocaust's impact on Europe, the conquistadors and colonisation of South America, the lasting impact of the Belgian Congo and French Africa, the Killing fields of the Khmer Rouge etc just to name a few can all be chalked up to Britain.
@KEMITE GAMER Eh? Which member(s) of the royal family did that? And when?
@KEMITE GAMER We've had quite a few over the years. Which king and which queen 'killed more bodies than any other "empire"'? Let's say Stalin is the benchmark with about 15 million deaths. Which British king was responsible for a higher number?
Mighty big coverup GB, when do you stop the killing?
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj lol your so ill informed
When you all die or submit. RULE BRITANNIA!!!!
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj because it was irish american immigrants like the Fenian brotherhood who funded them and that was the earlier irb not the ira also the troubles is the doing of the uk they started the troubles thats not a lie the ruc and uvf are to blame for it sure the ira turned into terrorist scum but the uk started it the exact same way the americans turned the black panthers into terrorists but yeh you dont even know what ira you are talking about the provos got funding from libya
@@JustWilsonGood luck with that mate, can’t even beat Afghanistan.
We made Afghanistan. They'd be nothing without us@@tempejkl
Never heard of this massacre until now. Very interesting document. Thanks VICE.
Where are you from Angelo? Just a matter of interest
@@Jonathan-qo1ir the netherlands.. How about you Jonathan?
The gunman was Ronnie Hawthorn, ex UDR British Army, member of the Royal Black Preceptory, he is totally unrepentent and operates a coffee stand called The Thirsty Herd 6 miles from the site of the massacre in the village of Clough, he is still an active loyalist. The getaway driver was Gorman McMullan
@@goldycoia6944 Stop larping.
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@@BirdsfromHuntingdon what a loser 😂
Of course he would have been ex-UDR, The regiment was rife with terrorist collusing scumbags.
UDR? Well there's a shock. It was branch of the British Army that was working with loyalist terrorist groups. All bitter orange men.
I thought this was referring to the team getting massacred lol
Not only you. The title and thumbnail made us all think the same.
Me 2
Same
@@robertmacnaughton4190 You understand the title is confusing eh Lassie?
Same lol
Solidarity in journalism and integrity is key. Pretty sure the west would fall otherwise.
You think our journalists actually report facts and not straight up non stop liberal bullshit propaganda?
journalists ? Integrity ? Lol.
@@Edward.Rippett. depends which journalists. Independent journalists do a lot of very good work however they often don't get the credit they deserve
@@HC100_ that's a fact
@@Edward.Rippett. oh you’re one of those people
Much love and solidarity to my Irish (catholic) brothers and sisters. Muslims stand with you and against the injustice you suffer from!
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Thank you, brother.
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj which is controlled by collusion within our government.
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Pity party. We suffered plenty also. You would think this is the only massacre that took place.
Fantastic film. I recommend it to anyone intrigued by this report.
I must be very young, I was born and raised in London and live in London UK to this very day and I never knew about this incident. I wonder why 🤔
There is a lot the English try to keep quiet about their dealings with Ireland.
Mainstream media and general public outside Northern Ireland don’t care about bombings/shootings etc in Northern Ireland, we are expendable to them.
Because the media is propaganda.
@@Chubbstain completely true. One of the reasons it is called 'The Troubles' is because the British media wouldn't address what was actually going on in northern Ireland, instead just labelling it as troubles or trouble in NI.
Reunite Ireland right now, it's way too late already!
To a free & united Ireland. Let the Irish take care of themselves. Honestly, Protestants or Catholics? We haven't gotten past that yet? Northern Ireland & the Republic have way to many familiar & business ties to one another.
@@dustyking8851 The republic has many with the UK as well. We are just better being one nation as the British isles.
Reunite? Why, because dead people from history drew some maps you don't like? Fucking hell this bullshit never ends
@@offchance789 reunite because its the will of the people? Unionism is the minority opinion.
I know you probably don't like democracy though. Same as them WASPs in America
Mind your own business sheefat
I was brought up in Portadown, Northern Ireland as a staunch Protestant. When you grow up in the climate you think that "the other side is bad" and you're on the right side. Today I am in Brazil and when you get out of the country you see how stupid it is, the whole affair. Grown men in July walking with "hard men" looks on their faces, red cheeks, and banging drums with no real sense of what their history is.
The English don't care about us. Boris would get rid of us if he could. Yet people want to die for being "British". There is no more war, but people still live like there is.
I am a British citizen, and proud to be. But there is a very messy story in Northern Ireland and I can these days looks at it more objectively. I condemn how these 2 men were treated. People were killed and the document was rightfully leaked. Fair play to them and to the judge. May we see peace and harmony soon in my wee country and the death of violence and hatred!! 🙏
You fucked off to Brazil so don't use the word us in your comments
"No Stone Unturned" is their full documentary, it's on TH-cam. Truly excellent.
30 years and justice hasn’t been served
Britain leave Ireland!!!
@ConfusedOilPainter shush woman
So ethnically cleanse the thousands of Irish people who want to be part of the uk?
ONE IRELAND 🇮🇪
There is one
No surrender
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj but it will be in its future 🇮🇪🇮🇪
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj It's united right now, it's just your mob in the way. That will change soon enough.
@Jjdjdjd Jshshsj No idea what you’re trying to say 🧐🧐
"Are we the baddies?"
Courage and Conviction will always win.
Great work by both, and I’m sure more of the lies by the British state will come to light.
If there’s ever friction the English will be somewhere meddling
Eh? England hasn't been a political entity since 1707. What are you talking about?
@@Alan_Mac what has any date got to with anything? It's been going on for nearly forever
@@wesleyjohndelaney106 ok dude
@@wesleyjohndelaney106 Well how can ' the English will be somewhere meddling' if, politically and militarily, England has no representation? The date is crucial since 1707 was the last time for England to be involved in any 'meddling'.
@@undercoverfarts9741 Nonsense. Looking at, say, current conflict with high casualties (say over 20,000 deaths) such as Somalia, civil war in Syria, Tigray war in East Africa, the Myanmar shitshow, Boko Haram in West Africa, the decades-long conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Ituri and Kevu messes in DRC.
I could go on but you get the point. There are many - even current - conflicts that have nothing to do with the UK, US or Israel. You need to expand your horizons somewhat.
Brave people investigating these evil people 🙏
"Oy mate, you got a license for that Freedom of the Press?
very similar to the situation with jordan shanks and john barilaro/my state’s deputy premier at the moment. australia’s freedom of media and the ability to put politicians and establishments actions under scrutiny is on the line, and watching this video was a chilling reminder of that.
Barilaro (bruz) is a tyrant . Calling that police unit to turn up to his colleagues house was appalling. And the police raiding ABC is also sickening.
Aww! So sorry may their soul rest in peace.
To the person reading this: Even though I don’t know you, I wish you the best of what life has to offer.
God bless you too :)
Amen! Have a good day!! I love y’all and I hope y’all love yourselves too:)
RULE BRITANNIA!!!
Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. -Thomas A. Edison..
And, people run to . movies of fake super heroes flying around fighting bad guys....hahaha✌️🤗, u two guys are the REAL deal....real heroes,with balls of steel!
Wow insane to me that the police would investigate a documentary about a massacre more thoroughly then a literal massacre of innocent people, that should be a crime or atleast negligence from the higher ups in the police force!!
It’s called collusion my friend
@@gargle56 they need to be brought to justice, but im very quickly loosing faith that they won't be brought to justice because it seems as if only in the last 2 years but mainly since covid that we have seen a fundamental almost tyrannical shift in democracies pretty much world wide because all of these vague 'temporary' emergency powers started being abused after being made basically permanent in other countries, just to give context i live in Victoria, Australia where we have had the worlds longest lockdown with quite small case numbers compared to other parts of the world, and im not joking it literally looks like a warzone some times in the middle of the city especially because we just had that 5.8 earthquake the other day, but i fully support the protests and so does everyone i know because what Dan Andrews and the Victorian government is doing and has already done is just wrong, please look up Rebel News Australia his name is Avi Yemini and he is a very good journalist covering the Melbourne protests movement if your interested
@@guy_in_ashopping_cart-sfs967 When gunmen armed and incentivised by the Australian government walk into your local and spray the place with bullets, you might then be able to claim you live in a "tyrannical state". You're been asked to wear masks and limit your movement to save lives.
Grow up and keep your whining away from serious videos like this
I watched a really documentary awhile back, can't remember it's name exactly, but it was something along the lines of 'The Day the Music Died: The story of The Miami Showband Massacre".
I live round the corner from where this happened.
Any rumours who might have done it? What a terrible thing
@@andash123 One of the scumbags that done it now operates a coffee van in clough a village 5 minutes away from it. Disgusting.
@@ShAAnEc057 who?
@@andash123 all the locals know.
@@johnnyjr.b9015 Really, that's just mad... I'm surprised there was no retaliation then!
Britain’s dirty war in Ireland. #timefortruth
Definitely thought this was a massacre at a stadium or something, but I'm here for it
Brave. And integrity. Against a corrupt behemoth
I remember it well. God rest all who died
Aren't you an Ulster Loyalists troll😂
Hardly a soul ever gets prosecuted in these sorts of things. Not just in the U.K. but in other first world nations.
Probably Special Branch.
Their names are Trevor King, Colin Craig and David Hamilton
Yea they were the UVF terrorists that INLA killed and then typical for UVF they killed innocent civilians
Vice making good videos again? About my country?
was this happened after the Good Friday Agreement? hell...
No.
4 years before
@@plug007 alright, so does IRA retaliated?
@@cebispicis the attack was actually retaliation for an earlier attack by the INLA that killed 3 UVF members, the troubles were an endless cycle of revenge
So the INLA kill uvf members so the uvf retaliated against civilians. Same thing the black and tans done
@@United-Nations people can claim one side wasnt as "bad" as the other but at the end of the day it's still dead people , grieving families and more revenge getting planned...
I had no idea this was even a thing??? Wth
You've never heard of the troubles?
Hardly the only one that had collusion during the troubles
British divided Ireland and North Ireland
Not true. Britain granted Ireland its independence and the decent people of Northern Ireland opted out of it.
@ConfusedOilPainter those who chose to remain were not really Irish. They were just British settlers being let in by Britain to decimate local Irish population there.
@ConfusedOilPainter British indirectly divided both Ireland in name of religion. Both countries are same ethnicity, same culture but one is Catholic majority and other protestants.
@@rodrozil6544 no, ninja music is right, most loyalists are originally english, they’re settler colonialists and they weaponized the fact that Anglicans have the British monarch as the head of their religion. They tried to force the Irish to assimilate by banning the Irish language.
Northern Ireland chooses to remain with Britain.
What was the score
That's sick....I'm a nationalist but would never stoop to that level
United Ireland 🇮🇪
Rest in peace
I thought this video was about Ireland defeated in World cup by 10 points or something, not expecting a murder video
Nah, that happens to often to be note worthy
You do realise this was only a few years before we were in the quarter finals right?
@@memetopia5130 after. This was 1994, the q/f was 1990
People know it as the Loughinisland massacre. Why they used World Cup massacre? Who knows
Police officers or gang members?
Come fight me like a man!!! ! IRISH LAND BACK
Proceeds to lose every open engagement with the British army and resorts to nail bombing shopping centres
Fighting over imaginary lines, this never ends.
When did Ireland ever stand up and fight for all the people's freedom against Nazi Germany? You did NOTHING! You all owe this country for not being slaughtered by Nazi Germany, you low life pos, cowards that did nothing.
Fight like a man like all your lot did(n't) in both world wars!!!!!!!!!
There was huge amounts of Irish people in the English army in both world war you nationalist idiots do your research we didn't have a proper army we could send we have a fraction of London's population on our whole island and we're held back for years in progressing because of your nations grip on us
Yous wouldn't know cause your queen won't teach yous about the bad stuff you done to the world it's all nationalism
1:27 wow, a Triumph Acclaim HLS, these guys travelled in style! not top of the range CD trim level but still a HLS was pretty nice.
They call this a quiet Tuesday in Chicago.
@A B I'm not finding an iron clad consensus on the defition of Mass Shooting, I'm looking at it as an event where a shooter fires upon and/or kills 5 or more people. Happens all the time here.
More like a hanging in Mississippi
Blks killing blks, true lol
How can people be allowed to be named if they have never been charged
Because the journalist stole the documents they got a arrested why was the police who were involved not named @@jackietreehorn5561
@ Jackie treehorn she named him because they had a fallout but he was still never charged so he shouldn't have been named in the documentary
@@colinmurphy8298bullshit he's a sectarian bigot
Meanwhile, vice has close up footage of the robber shooting and running. How did they get that and dident even know who he was? Arent they supposed to get shotbat?
lmao that isn't real it's just a visual
@@akolyt ikik its a bait for non sense ppl so that we can bully them when they comment
The names of the murderers are all well known
9:04 So it turns out the British establishment wasn't against them, as it was precisely through the very British system of judicial review that they were released and compensated.
I wonder what they found under the Blarney Stone
Never heard of this story that happened just 4 years before the Good Friday Agreement., has there been a retaliation attack by the IRA?
INLA Irish national liberation army did an attack in Shankill road 16th of June killing 3 UVF members and this attack was in retaliation for that. Tit for tat was the name of the game back then. So no IRA didn’t retaliate and they declared cease fire august 31st 1994.
@@jackietreehorn5561 Yea that's what i gathered from the documentary that catholics and protestants lived in peace in Loughingisland. The fact that some of the UVF guys lived in the area and everyone knows who they are is just incredible
God bless Ireland! Brits out of Ireland!! 🇮🇪
brasil 1-7 germany is the only world cup massacre i know
Bad taste, man.
The troubles wasn’t just some conflict,it was a full on war. And no one was fighting on the side of the catholics,god rest their souls
The USSR and Libya gave us some support, but Libya was the only one to actually commit and give weapons (although the USSR gave loans and support during the war for independence)
@@jackietreehorn5561Some did but most did not The FBI stopped a lot of it.
I remember that game im from Bensonhurst Brooklyn born and raised 🇮🇹 💯% 🇮🇪 beat 🇮🇹 1-0 it was the first 🇮🇹 game in the 94 world cup and i remember that game very well and I remember Baggio missing his penalty in the final against 🇧🇷
Did u went to any of Italy matches at giants stadium
@@Frankieefootballmundial i wish that would have been a dream i watched that world cup with my Nonna and some cousins on the couch in my Nonnas house and all the food nonna could cook 😋
The World Cup is coming to the States again in 2026, hopefully you get to go this time.
As an ex policeman (not from a Northern Ireland) and a military veteran everything that i can say is....police was directly involved in this because a fu.king police knows everything, it gives the approval for everything, a licence to kill....my heart cracked in half when i saw that little girl at 3:20...i saw that situation a lot of times in my life....more than a lot.
All because independence was something GB never wanted to give to the Irish people. Disgusting how it could've been avoided if people weren't viewed as pawns.
The Irish got their independence on the 24th of April 1916. Hence the formation of the Irish free state, which later became the Republic of Ireland.
@@alanrobinson7891 😂😂😂😂😂😂 The "formation of the Irish free state" didn't happen until 1922, but then history isn't really a British thing unless it praises the "magnificent" empire.
Interesting enough in the election of 1918, 75% of All of Ireland's voters voted for pro independence parties, and in less than 4 years the British had partitioned Ireland.
@@jackdeegan3617 I'm not debating when the free state was formed. I'm debating that ireland got its independence, which it got. Either way the formation of the free state would not have occurred without result of said independence, so my comment still stands
@@alanrobinson7891 If you don't want to debate about when the Irish free state was formed, then don't write specific dates in your comment which aren't true.
@@jackdeegan3617 did I say the free state was formed in 1916, or did I say the Irish got their independence in 1916?
Wow
Wow….
This is what real journalism is about
Yes it is too bad Vice didn’t do anything
The fools, The fools, The fools, they have left us are patriot dead and wild ireland holds dose graves ireland unfree will never be at peace,
Surely the Good Friday agreement means they can’t be tried after the signing?
No, prisoners were released but there was no amnesty for crimes that had not been prosecuted at the time of the signing.
There's loads of murderers walking around Ireland free as a bird and it seems like a really bad idea to try and put these blokes in prison after all these years. Don't really know what these journalists are hoping to achieve.
dude said soccer
cuz we have our own football
Surprised comments turned on.
GTH Britain
Hmm big surprise the coppers
But the British Media wouldn't lie
More than 3,500 people were killed in the conflict, of whom 52% were civilians, 32% were members of the British security forces and 16% were members of paramilitary groups. Irish Republican paramilitaries were responsible for some 60% of the deaths, loyalists 30% and British security forces 10%.
The world leader have failed there people. Some leaders more then other, this corrupt world wide needs to stop.
Until this day, Northern Ireland still cannot escape the dreaded sectarian divide. No permanent solutions to solve the problem.
MORE NORTHERN IRELAND VIDEOS!
British Crown Forces with Ulster Defence Association
Tiocfaidh ár lá
God bless a United Ireland!! God bless the Roman Catholic Church! 🇮🇪 ⛪️
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After hearing uk citizens constantly repeat "the UK better than US," and "UK better cuz no guns"
I can confidently say England and its foreign workings are no better in any facet than the US.
That doesnt mean the US is better, im just done taking thought of the claims of inner-city privileged english teenagers who upon finishing reading history at school think they can constantly bash anybody with the "holier than thou" standpoint.
0:05 Ricki Gervais' cousin
You made a doccument about the game at The Greatest show on Earth ,and of all the people an Irish guy call it Soccer! Shame on ya'll.
We have our own type of football too so people often refer to it as soccer to avoid mix ups
@@RevivedPromotions Aye, pretty straight forward like. Its actually comparable to American football in terms of its connection to soccer.
Because we have gaelic football. It’s to avoid confusion between them
Up the UVF ✋🏻
Ur a right fud.
5 in the back isn’t healthy as you can imagine😂
Hi
Soccer championships?
yes we have our own football
i’m northern irish and this is the first time i’ve heard of this and i’m 20 years old :(
Riley I'm also Irish Belfast born and have bred mate what I've noticed is that the history of the last 40 years is not taught or talked about in 50% of the schools I am now a teacher in a school in Belfast and its so weird seeing how it is hidden in such a way although now days TH-cam is educating everybody so we all have a eye on what happened and as you can see it's not very humane
Really? How is that even possible? Don’t they teach history of the troubles in school?
@@Timo8.2.Not in Protestant schools I believe, I think some Protestant schools do a very brief breakdown but it’s all very biased on both sides usually.
They could use DNA samples to now find out who the killers were!
We do know who they are though. They haven’t been punished yet.
@@tempejkl there’s plenty of genetic heritage sites that have millions of people’s dna to look through
@@thearmchairjournalist566 I don’t think you get it mate. We know who the killers are. Name and all. But the police haven’t gone after them for some reason, they still live in the local area, unpunished.
@@tempejkl ok, fair enough. I see your point 😢
The DNA was destroyed @@thearmchairjournalist566
it was undercover irish police... its well known down here
Irish Dwight. Now you can't unsee it ;)
Uvf aren’t a gang
They are now. Drug gang now
Two Legends 🇮🇪
🏴🏴🏴🏴
Up the fuckin bingo bus
Yesss mate.
The IRA were terrorists, Freedom Fighters, and fanatics. How much of one or the other depends on your viewpoint. But the Protestant Paramilitaries, working in collusion with the government where the state already had the power of the courts, police, and military at their disposal, to carry out extra-judicial executions, revenge, or terror attacks - those were Death Squads. And these journalists were brave to risk them.
Whether it is Black & Tans (and the hero, or monster, Winston Churchill -- again, that pesky viewpoint bit), the Ulster Volunteer Force, or Guatemalan military and irregular forces, trained by the US, engaged in genocide that has since resulted in convictions - shows that it can happen in the "civilized" world, very easily in fact.
And then there is Shinzan and Tibet, where extermination is government sanctioned, and the Taliban when being a fanatic is something to be gloried in. But saying see how BAD these cases are should not provide cover for Death Squads...
‘Shinzan’? Do you mean Xinjiang? Anyway, look into how Tibet was before the PRC invaded (hint:awful)
But loughinsland was not a republican area with no paramilitary connection so why gun down innocent people there? Simple because the shooters were bigots like Nazis in the death camps
And the u.s.
Tiocfaidh ar la