Nam Doc Mai#4 - Close Up Review October California
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- This is Nam Doc Mai#4 on an Ataulfo rootstock that is around 20 years old that was been topworked at several different stages of it's life. Nam Doc Mai#4 produces ripe classical flavor Thai mangos that are very honey forward in taste finishing with strong floral notes. Green NDM#4 mangos are very sour and many consider it even too sour as a green mango but it has extemely superior crisp textures that not many mangos can match up with at the green stage. However, in California this not a beginners mango for 2 reasons. This strain blooms several times a year, 2 to 3 times. Great on an old tree, not so great on smaller younger trees as all the blooming will be detrimental to the health of the plant and may eventually kill. In addition, it is very prone to powder mildew not just on blooms but leaves and in my coastal area it seems like its susceptible 9 months out of the year. NDM#4 has a very dense growth canopy. If you have a NDM#4 you should NOT expect it to get very tall and will more dwarf like especially on the common Florida turpentine rootstock. All the blooming will keep most trees very small. My tree is very large and probably unique for it's size. I never seen another NDM#4 in my area that has came remotely close to the size of my tree.
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Love seeing your videos explaining mango varieties, how it grows, issues and stuff. I am having the same exact problems with my NDM#4 here in San Diego
Thanks John!
Nice Rich. I appreciate the history and stories of successes and failures. Really helpful info. Thank you.
My pleasure. I'm glad you like my rambling, ahah.
As I was watching you said eat them green and my mouth puckered up real quick lol. I found that Falan has a nice crispy texture, pin sen mun also good. Valencia Pride is a crispy texture also green. I like green mango also I just don't like them sour.
I enjoy them all ways. Sour green crunchy, sweet sour crunchy, and ripe. NDM is extremely sour and must have dipping sauce. Have not been fortunate enough to try falan or pim sen mun yet. Mangos in California grow extremely slow.
Will trimming the blooms off help the tree? Thanks for posting these videos.
It really depends the age and your location. Where are you at and how old/large is your tree? We are heading into Dec soon, trimming now you risk the chance that there's no vegetative growth till spring and then another bloom. However, smaller trees probably will not do well carrying flowers and fruits through winter. Unfortunately, I don't have one answer that applies to all.
I am growing mangos (neelum ndm4, Carrie) in north cal zone 9b. They all intend to flower and flower again even I cut off the panicles. They only have little vegetative growth in fall
Do not cut off those blooms. Wait until your night time temp is over 60F and then cut off any blooms/fruitlets until your tree establish more size. It will just rebloom in the cool weather. Try to minimize how many times it bloom as possible.
Wow. That's a nice mango tree.
Thank you!
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. What area of CA are you in, and zone? Thanks
I think NDM#4 is probably the most popular grafted variety here and most killed mango in california, lol.
I'm towards north Long Beach and about 15 miles from the coast. Zone 10b now these days.
Mine is attempting to fruit in fall also. Should I keep thr mangos into the fall or should I remove the fruitlets?
It really depends on what you want. Unless your area gets so cold it damages leaves and fruits, the fruitlets will eventually ripen in April or May. However, these are usually not as sweet as the earlier bloom sets in the year cause they ripen when we have very little heat. I bag the fruits also in case the extra heat provides a bit of help.
I live in Lakewood, CA and just planted a 2 year old Nam Dok Mai. I’ve managed to clip off the summer blooms but the plant is blooming again. Should I clip these off again?
I would prune it off as there's no need for it to take up needed energy during winter. We are late in the year so it shouldn't trigger another rebloom. However, come Spring next year you could likely be dealing with another bloom.
Hello am in California as well, can you please tell me where you got your Nam Doc Mai?
Hi-I bought mine from a nursery in Vista, CA. Depending on where in CA there’s a nursery in Long Beach that has Nam Dok Mai. Look up Ricardo Nursery off of the 91 and the 710 fwy.
I have one that blooms constantly. It blooms when it has mangos on it. They split though and haven't been able to eat one yet. Small 3 ft tree.
Unfortunately, most NDM4 blooms way too often even as a small tree. The splitting on most fruits here is due to being nubbins. NDM nubbins does not seem to make it to maturity before splitting.
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@@RichsTopGardening nubbins? Meaning young tree? I had one get close. It was big and we got a heavy rain and I think that split it. Now I have a skirt I put on it when rains are coming. Funny tree compared to my others.
In California, we get these tiny mango fruits that has no embryo. Most varieties will ripen fine just as tiny fruits but NDM4 will always split. Yours sound like more normal splitting which NDM is also known for. Seems like u may be in Florida?
Thanks, I think I’m probably in a similar climate. Mine is only a couple feet high and I think it’s blooming itself to death 😢
Did it bloom again once more this late? If it blooms in spring try to let any fruits hold to marble size and pick it off, this will prevent what is usually a 2nd bloom cause by the failed bloom. This will hopefully give it some time to add vegetative growth. This a bit different than the different seasonal blooms this variety produce. My oldest tree is a NDM#4 tree on Florida turpentine, it took it years and years to even get to 5 ft tall. And thought it was going to die several times when it was young.
No, not blooming now. I’m referring to it’s summer bloom that halted any new vegetative growth entirely. The blooms were as big as the whole little tree, lol. It was about 1’ and the blooms made it 2’. I pinched the majority of the fruitlets when they were BB size. Actually, it just started one new flush of leaves down by the base of where it branches off, but we’ll above the graft, and I can see about 3 buds starting to swell at the tips where the blooms have died back. So, there’s hope. It’s in the ground. Another issue is I may have planted it before it was ready. I bought it from a Florida nursery along with an Ice Cream and Cogs Hall. The ice cream, still in a pot, bounced back over the summer and looks good. The cogs hall immediately went into shock and died over about 4 months.
lol, I can picture the tree. I think you went with some challenging varieties. I never grown Cogshall. But I do have Ice Cream alone and grafted on several trees. It is a slooooow grow and one I would also not recommend due to being an extremely slow grower here and also highly fungal prone.. But it's suppose to be am amazing tasting fruit. I would highly recommend keeping that one in a pot, a 15 gallon pot is good size to get fruits. Use a good mix of mostly inorganic soil like peat, perlite, sand, pumice(check out Gary Matsuoka soil videos). Unfortunately, sounds like you went some of of these dwarf varieties because of it's Florida growing conditions you heard and it does not really quite work in California we need to grow more grafted varieties that are vigorous to do well here.
is NDM #4..a different vareity from Normal NDM.?
There are many strains of NDM. Number 4 is just one of them. Currently it is the most available strain in the u.s. although there has been other strains introduce in the past.
why did u allow your Nam Doc Mai#4 to get so high?? Do you have a cherry picker on your property to harvest your nam doc mai #4??? I keep my trees 10feet and under.
I would say due to a series of mistakes learning and growing mangos, lol. First off my grafts were way too high at 6 - 6.5 ft. imagine pruning this to try to maintain it at 10 ft it's almost impossible doing without losing most of the grafts. Another thing as younger plants we don't get continue vegetative flushes like in tropical climate or florida. When we do it's usually very late into the year and heading into winter. It makes it tougher to time some of the pruning without losing a season or concerns of cold weather effecting it. Especially when it was a younger tree. I still lopped off about 3-4ft each year now For most trees, i dont mind it being this tall however, mangos need some fungicide spraying and if trees are this large it is extremely difficult to spray. There are many things I would do differently that I am applying to my younger mango plants. Where are you located by the way?
Central FL
Thanks for tuning in your way on the other side of the coast 😀
What is the yield per tree?
Sorry I'm not a commercial grower. It's nothing I really keep track of. I get hundreds of off-season winter fruits as those are usually the only blloms/fruitlets I let keep these days on them.
Nam Doc Mai are polyembryonic, so if multiple flowerings are not what you like then simply don't graft the tree and it will wait until it's an adult to flower from the seedling which has the mother's DNA.
Unfortunately, finding quality seeds in California are rare. Most people will never get the chance. Most available seed are grocery store Ataulfo, Kents, and Tommy Atkins. It's a bit of a mango wasteland out here. With the occasionally irradiated imported seeds from Asia and India. Are you perhaps in the Florida?
@@RichsTopGardening You are correct! I do live in mango paradise, Florida. We have a lot of farms in the vicinity that sell fresh mangoes during the season so we can pretty much get anything here. I just drive around the city as people sell their mangoes to the neighbors for a decent price. Nobody grows from seeds either as you can get all the varieties in 3 gal pots for $40 close to South Florida. We even have a nursery here that will deliver the fruit trees to your house FOR FREE if you buy at least 2 trees from them. And land is cheap, so it's not hard for people to get an acre of land and plant a bunch of mango trees in it. I used to live in Chino Hills so I know how difficult it is in California to plant fruit trees without a lot of inexpensive land.
@MasterKenfucius oh wow from Chino Hills Cali to Florida. Definitely, a great transition for fruit lovers. Those same 3 gallon trees here sell for over $100. And most people's grafted mangos die within a couple of years. But Avocados, Citrus, and Cherimoya/Atemoya at least grow like weeds here ahaha.
@@RichsTopGardening Sad to hear about the mangoes! Is it the lack of humidity or the sun that is too strong for them in SoCal? All the other fruit you mentioned grows great here too, and with global warming we just got an upgrade at my area to cold hardiness zone 10a which is awesome for all my fruit trees, so I planted about 20 more mango trees. I like to follow Dr. Richard Campbell closely and his techniques. He's big on keeping mango trees like bushes instead of trees to optimize production and space usage. You may want to check him out on TH-cam one of these days. He's the top mango authority in the US. His premise is that you can get the same production from a 10 foot tree than you can get from a 30 foot tree if you educate the tree correctly.
@MasterKenfucius Yes, I am familiar with Dr. Campbell's work. Unfortunately, most of his advice will only apply to Florida and tropical climates. It does not work for California or more Mediterranean climates. Unfortunately it is even pretty harmful and actually will kill most mangos here like his pruning techniques. Pretty much in most part of California you need to do the opposite of most of Florida, ahaha. There's lots of theories on why mangos don't do as well here. But it comes down to mangos growing much more slowly here. From what i could tell, a year's growth in Florida equates to about 3 years growth in California. So our trees grows about 3 times slower. I would not tip prune to grow a bush, I would not choose dwarf varieties, I would not use turpentine rootstocks, and etc., etc.