Laminate, wood based and waterproof is an oxymoron. The vinyl plank stuff with rubber pre-attached underlayment is actually waterproof but I still wouldn’t use it in a bathroom as water can get underneath it through the seams.
You had vynil (plastic) floor planks. the joints on these will come apart if the floor is not perfectly flat and stable. Engineered wood flooring is a good compromise.
The store in my city has more employees than customers, and they are clueless about products. Good to know that they dont honor their warranty, unless you involve the news- and aint nobody got time for dat. Ill stick to Lowes and HD, their return policies are fairly straight forward. Floor and Decor may eventually go the way of Lumber Liquidators.
When we were shoping fior wood or laminate flooring. You have to take a good look, scratch at it . Some products at all stores cab be garbage. You get what you pay for and buyer beware. I feel like its hard for your average person to get a decebt product for a price that works for your budget.
Great video, Bob. There are several problems with this luxury vinyl product, the swelling up around the edges I’ve heard of from various companies that I know personally. Right now the LVP is extremely popular flooring option. Make no mistake about it. There are many factors that are pushing inferior product for profit, leaving the consumer or flooring installation service company holding the bag of poop while they are holding your hard earned money. F&D is potentially also a victim. They don’t want this kind of publicity. I’m sure they will be happy to have the line of product removed from their stores because I’m sure it’s not only this family dealing with a problem. That LVP is slightly designed to cut into the tile flooring market. My recommendation stay away from it mold grows underneath of it, solar bleaching, staining, if the wrong chemicals get to it. Surface delamination. To put it simply, you get what you pay for.
Agree 💯 with what you said. And for all the reasons you mentioned I would never have that stuff given a choice of tile..wood plank tile is best alternative
Laminate is the previous generation these type of opportunistic Flooring products that are looking to cut into the ceramic tile market. They have already proven to not hold up well. LVP( luxury vinyl plank) It’s just a marketing scheme. There’s absolutely nothing luxury about it. It’s just plastic.
The flooring floor and decor sells is their own. You can’t buy that brand at other stores. Just like glacier bay and ridgid are Home Depot only. Floor and decor will offer replacement because they are the manufacturers. All the lvp stuff is made in the same factory. Just rebranded for different corporations. Just like vitamins. Made same place. Different label.
wierd, porcelain doesn't seem to give me these problems :) nice video ive been horrified how many home owners i see spewing " but its waterproof! i saw it on Pinterest"
This floor was laminate, not vinyl. It is a wood based product and if the subfloor isn’t perfectly flat, water will get into the joints and it will swell. LVP doesn’t do that, but laminate does since laminate is wood based.
No such thing as perfectly flat. And if it existed, it would not magically make snap together joints waterproof. The manufacturer allows 3/16 over 10 feet. The manufacturer allows certain sound reduction underpayments which increase flex at the joints. The manufacturer only requires a moisture barrier over concrete which doesn't exist in second floor residential. Improper installation would lead to buckling or seam separation. End of the day, glued together sawdust is going to swell when it gets wet. No magic will make those seams watertight.
That bona stuff is terrible. It gets lots of buildup. We use a small amount of Lysol concentrate mixed with water and it works great. I also have the literal cheapest flooring from homedepot and it does not have any problems with liquids, as long as it isn't left to sit for long periods.
Exactly and for me that would be the issue... between the kitchen and the bathroom and laundry room there are so many ways for an accident to happen... it's not just a surface but it's between all the seams that water would stagnate
This is such an easy lawsuit. Take them to court. Place a plank in a bucket of plain water. Dismiss until the next day. Return and inspect results of “waterproof” flooring being introduced to water.
Been tiling and doing wood flooring for years this problem is not wrong installation or wrong underlayment who ever cleaned it used to much water and here lies the problem this laminate is not water proof period. Floor and Decor should have refunded their money and made them a happy customer but instead got themselves a lot of negative press. There is no laminate. water proof from my experience just as backerboard is not water proof . This is false advertising by the manufacture on this product these products can be cleaned with water , swiffer wet mops, cleaner that is for wood flooring but you can't use to much solution period they will buck up when they get to wet.
Made in China, but litigated in America. Floor and Decor should have known better. The lawyers are going to make them pay big time for this. My “water resistant” cell phone can take more abuse than this “water PROOF” flooring.
The materials that Floor and Decor are just boring and ugly tile. I found a couple pieces that I liked in there but overall pretty uninspired selection.
@@StarrTile Actually, if you pause the video at 14:57 where it shows the documents, it actually says you can use a steam mop on the lowest setting (5th bullet point) 😆
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They are really the only option. No one has the vast selection they do. Thanks for the video
Yeah they're kind of corner of the market
Merry Christmas Bob, thanks for another great year of tile and bathroom videos.
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed them! Merry Christmas to you too! 🎄
Laminate, wood based and waterproof is an oxymoron. The vinyl plank stuff with rubber pre-attached underlayment is actually waterproof but I still wouldn’t use it in a bathroom as water can get underneath it through the seams.
Agreed 100%
Merry Christmas, Bob!
Thank you ! And same to you, hope it was good
You had vynil (plastic) floor planks. the joints on these will come apart if the floor is not perfectly flat and stable. Engineered wood flooring is a good compromise.
Good to know...I'd still prefer plastic since it's truly waterproof
The store in my city has more employees than customers, and they are clueless about products. Good to know that they dont honor their warranty, unless you involve the news- and aint nobody got time for dat. Ill stick to Lowes and HD, their return policies are fairly straight forward. Floor and Decor may eventually go the way of Lumber Liquidators.
Thanks. Merry Christmas Won't be shoppingthere
Merry Christmas! 🎄
Merry Christmas Bob
Have a boom 💥 Xmas
Once that floors installed, you own it. After install- it's the installer or manufacturer that's responsible
When we were shoping fior wood or laminate flooring. You have to take a good look, scratch at it . Some products at all stores cab be garbage. You get what you pay for and buyer beware. I feel like its hard for your average person to get a decebt product for a price that works for your budget.
Great video, Bob.
There are several problems with this luxury vinyl product, the swelling up around the edges I’ve heard of from various companies that I know personally. Right now the LVP is extremely popular flooring option.
Make no mistake about it. There are many factors that are pushing inferior product for profit, leaving the consumer or flooring installation service company holding the bag of poop while they are holding your hard earned money.
F&D is potentially also a victim. They don’t want this kind of publicity. I’m sure they will be happy to have the line of product removed from their stores because I’m sure it’s not only this family dealing with a problem.
That LVP is slightly designed to cut into the tile flooring market. My recommendation stay away from it mold grows underneath of it, solar bleaching, staining, if the wrong chemicals get to it. Surface delamination.
To put it simply, you get what you pay for.
Agree 💯 with what you said. And for all the reasons you mentioned I would never have that stuff given a choice of tile..wood plank tile is best alternative
The floor is laminate, not vinyl/lvp.
Laminate is the previous generation these type of opportunistic Flooring products that are looking to cut into the ceramic tile market.
They have already proven to not hold up well.
LVP( luxury vinyl plank)
It’s just a marketing scheme. There’s absolutely nothing luxury about it. It’s just plastic.
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The flooring floor and decor sells is their own. You can’t buy that brand at other stores. Just like glacier bay and ridgid are Home Depot only. Floor and decor will offer replacement because they are the manufacturers. All the lvp stuff is made in the same factory. Just rebranded for different corporations. Just like vitamins. Made same place. Different label.
@@grantvanhalen interesting
wierd, porcelain doesn't seem to give me these problems :) nice video ive been horrified how many home owners i see spewing
" but its waterproof! i saw it on Pinterest"
Bahahahahahaha 🤣 👍🏻
Floor and Decor did not promise a refund. They just agreed to a full replacement.
But replace with what...same garbage ? My take is upselling something else
Laminate is NOT waterproof. They should of went with a LVP luxury vinyl plank
It is truly waterproof!
This floor was laminate, not vinyl. It is a wood based product and if the subfloor isn’t perfectly flat, water will get into the joints and it will swell. LVP doesn’t do that, but laminate does since laminate is wood based.
Yep !
No such thing as perfectly flat. And if it existed, it would not magically make snap together joints waterproof. The manufacturer allows 3/16 over 10 feet. The manufacturer allows certain sound reduction underpayments which increase flex at the joints. The manufacturer only requires a moisture barrier over concrete which doesn't exist in second floor residential. Improper installation would lead to buckling or seam separation.
End of the day, glued together sawdust is going to swell when it gets wet. No magic will make those seams watertight.
That bona stuff is terrible. It gets lots of buildup. We use a small amount of Lysol concentrate mixed with water and it works great. I also have the literal cheapest flooring from homedepot and it does not have any problems with liquids, as long as it isn't left to sit for long periods.
Exactly and for me that would be the issue... between the kitchen and the bathroom and laundry room there are so many ways for an accident to happen... it's not just a surface but it's between all the seams that water would stagnate
All that stuff printed on the box is all marketing. What wood is water proof? None.
That's disappointing, I send my customer base there also
Right, they have pretty much cornered the market
Laminate flooring is a scam.
Put a piece of the product in a bucket of water for 1 hour. That will tell you everything.
Agreed
That's a rite rug entity
There is nothing waterproof about that flooring.
This is such an easy lawsuit. Take them to court. Place a plank in a bucket of plain water. Dismiss until the next day. Return and inspect results of “waterproof” flooring being introduced to water.
Been tiling and doing wood flooring for years this problem is not wrong installation or wrong underlayment who ever cleaned it used to much water and here lies the problem this laminate is not water proof period.
Floor and Decor should have refunded their money and made them a happy customer but instead got themselves a lot of negative press.
There is no laminate. water proof from my experience just as backerboard is not water proof . This is false advertising by the manufacture on this product these products can be cleaned with water , swiffer wet mops, cleaner that is for wood flooring but you can't use to much solution period they will buck up when they get to wet.
I agree. If they are going to print “waterproof” on the box, you should be able to install it on the floor of a swimming pool if you wanted to.
@@MoneyManHolmes Exactly right.
Made in china what did you expect ?
Made in China, but litigated in America. Floor and Decor should have known better. The lawyers are going to make them pay big time for this. My “water resistant” cell phone can take more abuse than this “water PROOF” flooring.
The materials that Floor and Decor are just boring and ugly tile. I found a couple pieces that I liked in there but overall pretty uninspired selection.
@@lukejones7366 agreed but there isn't any other chain store that only sells flooring
They’ll carry one trendy piece for a year or so then flood the entire market with the same shit 🤣
Bob is a third party installer
That I am but I don't do laminate flooring or even wood flooring.. too many issues
Don’t use steam
And there's probably a lot of people that never read the instructions or warnings
Ironically their care instructions say you can use a steam mop
@@StarrTile Actually, if you pause the video at 14:57 where it shows the documents, it actually says you can use a steam mop on the lowest setting (5th bullet point) 😆
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@ Merry Christmas Bob! I love your work!
@@carnaud Merry Christmas to you as well, and thank you