Paul... You're bringing back memories of the old five & dime road trips... I remember back in the mid-1960s going with dad to the Ben Franklin five & dime store. Real wood floor and 50 gal. wood barrels of products. Then we'd get back into dad's giant all steel all American made car with a big block V8. Stop at the gas station on the way home and tell the pump jockey to filler up, check the oil and check the air in those old bias-ply tires. Hand the guy $5 bucks and be on our way.................
Mine all fall out of the back of my cabinet. I try to shove the speaker connects to one side and the power to the other but it moves when I turn it around to face out. I used to be crazy about every wire being tied to the same length and nothing over lapping but imho I never heard the difference, it just looked good.
nice question - I read your comment, scrolled back up to refresh my memory of it, I too have admired it in the past - wouldn't mind at all owning one myself.
Thanks a lot for this very interesting video Imho the audio cable most critical are the one of the turntable because they have to carry the weakest signal So maybe using a shielded power cable for the turntable could be a wise decision A wire carrying ac can generate a field To act as antenna the wire should be connected to an amplification device imho For this reason shielded speaker cables have little to no sense because speakers are passive
I have about $800 or so total invested in cables in my system, I got my speaker cables on sale for $300 they listed for $800. Get the best cables you can afford. Your correct, they can make or break a system. A $4000 cable in a $50,000 system isn’t out of line, but we aren’t at that level of the hobby.
The amount of deleted posts is well above 50% never disrespectful... Makes me look at my then $500 PS audio power conditioner. Since it's 800 now, any takers lol
Cables and interconnects are the backbone of any great system. Don’t sell yourself cheap. Have never regretted paying big cake on cables and interconnects.
With shielded cables, be they power, interconnect or speaker. The shield should only be connected at the source end. So with power cables connect the shielding to the wall socket end, not the end that plugs into your equipment. Simples.😊
The only cables that I would shield is the power cables and the interconnects. It starts with the power for me. Shield the power cables. And then the interconnects shield them. Being as though I shield them both. I noticed a difference with the sound structure. Start with them two first. And you should not have any problems. Yes your power and your interconnects as well as your speaker wires separate. For best results.
Real question is price of your system. You have the internal power supply of the amp and it's components, the power cable out to the outlet, the outlet itself, a dedicated copper romex run to it's own curcuit breaker and then the breaker box down into the rod into the earth. How far you want to take it depends on the level and class of your system. If you have 100 dollar system then good cables are really not going to do that much for it. If you have 400k system then you are wringing out every last drop of system improvement you can. Higher end systems reveal more detail but can also reveal more noise floor in a system. I run dedicated power outlets to their own breakers with 10 gage copper romex. Yes there are external power supply regulators but I find on high end systems those can hamper the sound in a negative way by over regulation. WHY do people buy power supplies then to plug gear into? Sometimes they do not have extra room on a circuit panel to give dedicated breakers. Other times it might not be allowed if living in a rental versus owning or too complex even if owning a unit in a complex for condo versus a stand alone house. Also finding electricians that specialize in that type of work are not as common. For all those reasons some just want a plug and play solution to regulate and clean up the power source some. I have ran tests before and dedicated lines blow away any power conditioner. I would put my system up against any regulated power supply system. The high end gear have good enough regulators in them to not need external regulation. The dedicated power lines simply take noise out of a shared circuit ( example 4 outlets in a room sharing the wiring to the panel versus one just for the amps). It only cost me a few k to run the dedicated lines. Costs involved often depend on length of the runs and how difficult to get the wires ran because of beams etc.
All of my hi-fi components are housed in a very low, very long, purpose built media cabinet. All mains cables, interconnects, speaker cables, Etc. Hang out the back and drape across the floor to the mains supply sockets. Mixed in with that cocktail of cables are HDMI cables connecting my tv to my dvd player and satelite box, plus RF cables running to the aerial socket and Ethernet cables running from my Wi-Fi router to just about everything. It is a veritable, wiring nightmare. My class-AV amps supply almost a kilowatt of musical power to each speaker. Vut I can say that with the volume turned up and no music playing, those speakers are totally silent. Even if you put your against them, absolutely nothing. No hint of interference, not electrical, EMF or RF. I’m not an advocate of exotic cables, so I don’t invest in them. I do lean toward more price appropriate cabling. If you’ve invested $399 in your amplification and $499 in your speakers, there is little benefit to spending $150 per meter on speaker cables. But, if you’ve invested $5000 in amplification and similarly on speakers, then, maybe? It would be appropriate to invest $15.99 per meter om speakers. I could tidy up that spaghetti junction of cables behind my media cabinet. But to do so would mean investing in much longer cables and I’m a staunch believer in keeping cables as short as possible. Well, that’s my experience. I hope it’s of help. I’m not claiming that my cables don’t pick up unwanted EMF or RF interference, I’m just remarking that it does not manifest itself in the 20hz to 20khz audio frequency band, so doesn’t concern me. Enjoy the music.
Paul is a bit ambiguous..."I don't hear a whole lot of difference" should have been "I don't hear any difference". We can get rid of a lot of this snake oil nonsense by being crystal clear. Even a topic like "cable burn-in" has believers nowadays because nobody debunks it or firmly ridicule it.
Don't knock it until you try it. My good friend bought a cable cooker that burns in cables. In blind tests we picked out the cooked cables (interconnects and mains) as sounding better every time. Rather than knocking things you don't understand as BS try them. One day someone will work out why different cables and burn in makes such a big difference. Just because we don't know something today doesn't mean we will never know. It's called scientific advancement.
@@nathanevans6277They’ll never try it, they’ve already got in their one tract minds that it’s snake oil and deep down too afraid to try it because if they did notice a change it would bruise their egos. Best to just do you and know that there is a difference with both cables and burn in and enjoy the music!
well Paul is wrong and doesn't understand and doesn't know what he's talking about, you shield it on both ends then you don't have a problem what gender it is.
@@antonyharding5360 on what basis do you put that? hes not a power supply engineer and he's definitely not an expert in EMI or other types of interference.
no you're wrong you don't shield it at the male end no you shield it at both ends or if it has to be at one end the female end not the male end to block EMI.
@hoobsgroove If that's the case, how do you drain the shield? Stands to reason you would want to drain into the receptacle and not back through the component. Male end is at the receptacle.
@@stever7638 no he's right you are shielding, I'm not sure what you mean by draining it is going back to Earth electricity interference will want to go back to ground not the other way around it takes the lowest resistance possible.
Connecting it at both ends is bad, as then it will carry current, and as such be a radiator, rather than a shield. Yes the shield ideally covers both ends, but should be tied to earth only at the source end.
@@paulstubbs7678 it's not going to carry any current and it is covered anyway there's no benefit of connecting it to the wall socket only thing you're doing is shielding the cable in the wall and not in the device.! if it's not shielded to the device you're allowing EMI to penetrate into the device and you need metal sockets and metal plugs to be truly emi resistant. You have to look at EMI interference as water they work in the same way it flows in the same way ENI will find any route possible to get in it needs to be water tight EMI tight.
Anyone who believes in the term ‘system integrity’ will try to route their cables to keep power cables away from interconnects and speaker cables the best that we can and cross different types of cables at a 90° angle to each other. Even if there is no audible difference, why be a slob.
Ok. Shielding a cable that has ac .the same ac thats in all the walls and coming from the pole to your house and everybodys house? Nonsense. The noise in the room is from class D switching and from your appliances and your neighbors lithium chargers and and any noise induced in the power cable...wait ...theres 2 wires in your power cable at ground potential wrapped around the 1 wire thats 120..if rf is in the power..then turn off your beer sign thats in your sound room..haha..hope that helps
What “noise” are you talking about? The only thing coming out of an AC power cable is 60Hz. A shielded power cable is pointless and a waste of money. It does nothing at this frequency. In sever cases where you could have AC pickup because of interconnects (especially phono) you can purchase IEC connector line cords with twisted conductors. That will minimize the the 60Hz field. They’re available for less than $20. Even better, and cheaper, would be (as stated other comments) to simply separate your AC power cables from your interconnects by more than three (3) inches. And no, you won’t pick up noise on your speakers cables (Danny Ritchie’s stunt “proof” notwithstanding) because the impedance in that circuit is too low and the signals are too high.
We're not trying to keep 60Hz in (you're right, that would be silly) but we're trying to keep all the high frequency crap riding on the line out. There's a great deal of switching noise from diode bridges etc. when the power cable is feeding the unit.
Paul, how do we know which end of the cable is male or female? Maybe they don't identify as male of female? What if they are gender neutral, or trans-gender, or two-spirit, or Peter Pan Sexual? And we know how they will react if we mis-gender them. How do we know the cable's pronouns?
Love your videos Paul! You have taught me so much about stereo. Someday I'm going to make it out to Colorado to hear your kit in person! Thank you!
Paul... You're bringing back memories of the old five & dime road trips...
I remember back in the mid-1960s going with dad to the Ben Franklin five & dime store. Real wood floor and 50 gal. wood barrels of products.
Then we'd get back into dad's giant all steel all American made car with a big block V8.
Stop at the gas station on the way home and tell the pump jockey to filler up, check the oil and check the air in those old bias-ply tires. Hand the guy $5 bucks and be on our way.................
Mine all fall out of the back of my cabinet. I try to shove the speaker connects to one side and the power to the other but it moves when I turn it around to face out. I used to be crazy about every wire being tied to the same length and nothing over lapping but imho I never heard the difference, it just looked good.
I have to ask a offtopic question is that PS AUDIO rug for sale?
nice question - I read your comment, scrolled back up to refresh my memory of it, I too have admired it in the past - wouldn't mind at all owning one myself.
I would love to have one also 👍
Me as well
But if you got on your device first pi filter ,than transformer and rectifier an a lot of condensers,what noise can you get with simple ac cable?
Thanks a lot for this very interesting video
Imho the audio cable most critical are the one of the turntable because they have to carry the weakest signal
So maybe using a shielded power cable for the turntable could be a wise decision A wire carrying ac can generate a field
To act as antenna the wire should be connected to an amplification device imho
For this reason shielded speaker cables have little to no sense because speakers are passive
Cables DO make a difference but at what cost ? That's always been my challenge. My limit is maybe $100.... I've seen $4K cables that is just NUTS...
I have about $800 or so total invested in cables in my system, I got my speaker cables on sale for $300 they listed for $800. Get the best cables you can afford. Your correct, they can make or break a system. A $4000 cable in a $50,000 system isn’t out of line, but we aren’t at that level of the hobby.
But all the wiring in your house doesnt?
This goes back to my thought, you can tell the difference in water taste from a glass and a garden hose 😊@@garyharper2943
Depends on your system
The amount of deleted posts is well above 50% never disrespectful... Makes me look at my then $500 PS audio power conditioner. Since it's 800 now, any takers lol
Cables and interconnects are the backbone of any great system. Don’t sell yourself cheap. Have never regretted paying big cake on cables and interconnects.
With shielded cables, be they power, interconnect or speaker. The shield should only be connected at the source end. So with power cables connect the shielding to the wall socket end, not the end that plugs into your equipment. Simples.😊
How can I incorporate this into car audio?
Paul for king 🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
Grüße aus Ludwigsburg.
The only cables that I would shield is the power cables and the interconnects. It starts with the power for me. Shield the power cables. And then the interconnects shield them. Being as though I shield them both. I noticed a difference with the sound structure. Start with them two first. And you should not have any problems. Yes your power and your interconnects as well as your speaker wires separate. For best results.
Also,greatest noise generators,ac motor inverters are conected with motors with shield on source side,not on motor
I have so many separates on my wrack that you can't separate all of the cables.
Cables, I have no money, I just try to put the thickest I can.
All power cables are made by me. Shield is connected on the wall side only.
Have you ever made or have thoughts on car audio
@@Gym-t3l Sorry, I'm not interested in car audio. I dont drive much, therefore it does not make not sense to invest money in car audio.
@@PH-gm2qe I can understand that. Since you mentioned about making power cables, I was curious about shielding ideas ect. No worries
Real question is price of your system. You have the internal power supply of the amp and it's components, the power cable out to the outlet, the outlet itself, a dedicated copper romex run to it's own curcuit breaker and then the breaker box down into the rod into the earth. How far you want to take it depends on the level and class of your system. If you have 100 dollar system then good cables are really not going to do that much for it. If you have 400k system then you are wringing out every last drop of system improvement you can. Higher end systems reveal more detail but can also reveal more noise floor in a system. I run dedicated power outlets to their own breakers with 10 gage copper romex. Yes there are external power supply regulators but I find on high end systems those can hamper the sound in a negative way by over regulation. WHY do people buy power supplies then to plug gear into? Sometimes they do not have extra room on a circuit panel to give dedicated breakers. Other times it might not be allowed if living in a rental versus owning or too complex even if owning a unit in a complex for condo versus a stand alone house. Also finding electricians that specialize in that type of work are not as common. For all those reasons some just want a plug and play solution to regulate and clean up the power source some. I have ran tests before and dedicated lines blow away any power conditioner. I would put my system up against any regulated power supply system. The high end gear have good enough regulators in them to not need external regulation. The dedicated power lines simply take noise out of a shared circuit ( example 4 outlets in a room sharing the wiring to the panel versus one just for the amps). It only cost me a few k to run the dedicated lines. Costs involved often depend on length of the runs and how difficult to get the wires ran because of beams etc.
AFN stars of jazz
The more it cost, the better it sounds. It's called audiophile science, not to confused with science.
All of my hi-fi components are housed in a very low, very long, purpose built media cabinet. All mains cables, interconnects, speaker cables, Etc. Hang out the back and drape across the floor to the mains supply sockets. Mixed in with that cocktail of cables are HDMI cables connecting my tv to my dvd player and satelite box, plus RF cables running to the aerial socket and Ethernet cables running from my Wi-Fi router to just about everything. It is a veritable, wiring nightmare. My class-AV amps supply almost a kilowatt of musical power to each speaker. Vut I can say that with the volume turned up and no music playing, those speakers are totally silent. Even if you put your against them, absolutely nothing. No hint of interference, not electrical, EMF or RF.
I’m not an advocate of exotic cables, so I don’t invest in them. I do lean toward more price appropriate cabling. If you’ve invested $399 in your amplification and $499 in your speakers, there is little benefit to spending $150 per meter on speaker cables. But, if you’ve invested $5000 in amplification and similarly on speakers, then, maybe? It would be appropriate to invest $15.99 per meter om speakers.
I could tidy up that spaghetti junction of cables behind my media cabinet. But to do so would mean investing in much longer cables and I’m a staunch believer in keeping cables as short as possible.
Well, that’s my experience. I hope it’s of help. I’m not claiming that my cables don’t pick up unwanted EMF or RF interference, I’m just remarking that it does not manifest itself in the 20hz to 20khz audio frequency band, so doesn’t concern me.
Enjoy the music.
I love my iFi Silentpower Supanova power cable (active noise cancellation). I have 2: DAC and preamp
Apple Music
But what do I do, my cables identify as non-binary.
Paul is a bit ambiguous..."I don't hear a whole lot of difference" should have been "I don't hear any difference". We can get rid of a lot of this snake oil nonsense by being crystal clear. Even a topic like "cable burn-in" has believers nowadays because nobody debunks it or firmly ridicule it.
Hence the old adage, money talks, B.S. walks.
Don't knock it until you try it. My good friend bought a cable cooker that burns in cables. In blind tests we picked out the cooked cables (interconnects and mains) as sounding better every time. Rather than knocking things you don't understand as BS try them. One day someone will work out why different cables and burn in makes such a big difference. Just because we don't know something today doesn't mean we will never know. It's called scientific advancement.
@@nathanevans6277They’ll never try it, they’ve already got in their one tract minds that it’s snake oil and deep down too afraid to try it because if they did notice a change it would bruise their egos. Best to just do you and know that there is a difference with both cables and burn in and enjoy the music!
Just because it can't be explained currently, doesn't mean the difference isn't there. There's a lot we don't understand.
@@nathanevans6277 I must have been asleep during my physics and engineering studies. I ought to reenroll.
I separate all my cables and I also keep them from touching the floor.
But I am using transgender cables , how can I know which one is male and which one is female ?
These days those cables are so in fashion !
well Paul is wrong and doesn't understand and doesn't know what he's talking about, you shield it on both ends then you don't have a problem what gender it is.
Paul is right ❤❤❤
@@hoobsgrooveBut he makes em!
I use all Audioquest Dragon PCs. 2 HC for my ARC Ref 750s and 2 Source for my ARC Ref 6Se and Ref CD9.
@@antonyharding5360 on what basis do you put that? hes not a power supply engineer and he's definitely not an expert in EMI or other types of interference.
no you're wrong you don't shield it at the male end no you shield it at both ends or if it has to be at one end the female end not the male end to block EMI.
@hoobsgroove
If that's the case, how do you drain the shield? Stands to reason you would want to drain into the receptacle and not back through the component.
Male end is at the receptacle.
no you're wrong you don't do that you do something else entirely in order to block the wtf.
@@stever7638 no he's right you are shielding, I'm not sure what you mean by draining it is going back to Earth electricity interference will want to go back to ground not the other way around it takes the lowest resistance possible.
Connecting it at both ends is bad, as then it will carry current, and as such be a radiator, rather than a shield.
Yes the shield ideally covers both ends, but should be tied to earth only at the source end.
@@paulstubbs7678 it's not going to carry any current and it is covered anyway there's no benefit of connecting it to the wall socket only thing you're doing is shielding the cable in the wall and not in the device.! if it's not shielded to the device you're allowing EMI to penetrate into the device and you need metal sockets and metal plugs to be truly emi resistant. You have to look at EMI interference as water they work in the same way it flows in the same way ENI will find any route possible to get in it needs to be water tight EMI tight.
Anyone who believes in the term ‘system integrity’ will try to route their cables to keep power cables away from interconnects and speaker cables the best that we can and cross different types of cables at a 90° angle to each other. Even if there is no audible difference, why be a slob.
Ok. Shielding a cable that has ac .the same ac thats in all the walls and coming from the pole to your house and everybodys house? Nonsense. The noise in the room is from class D switching and from your appliances and your neighbors lithium chargers and and any noise induced in the power cable...wait ...theres 2 wires in your power cable at ground potential wrapped around the 1 wire thats 120..if rf is in the power..then turn off your beer sign thats in your sound room..haha..hope that helps
What “noise” are you talking about? The only thing coming out of an AC power cable is 60Hz. A shielded power cable is pointless and a waste of money. It does nothing at this frequency. In sever cases where you could have AC pickup because of interconnects (especially phono) you can purchase IEC connector line cords with twisted conductors. That will minimize the the 60Hz field. They’re available for less than $20.
Even better, and cheaper, would be (as stated other comments) to simply separate your AC power cables from your interconnects by more than three (3) inches.
And no, you won’t pick up noise on your speakers cables (Danny Ritchie’s stunt “proof” notwithstanding) because the impedance in that circuit is too low and the signals are too high.
We're not trying to keep 60Hz in (you're right, that would be silly) but we're trying to keep all the high frequency crap riding on the line out. There's a great deal of switching noise from diode bridges etc. when the power cable is feeding the unit.
Paul, how do we know which end of the cable is male or female?
Maybe they don't identify as male of female? What if they are gender neutral, or trans-gender, or two-spirit, or Peter Pan Sexual? And we know how they will react if we mis-gender them.
How do we know the cable's pronouns?
Put your willy in it and wiggle your body...
5th place ... in less than a minute!
Male and female? What if the power cord is non binary?