1:04:30 as a Christian, I was literally told by an HR department that I must “believe” something that completely went against my faith in order to work at that company. The leftist political ever changing religious views DOES make Christians feel unwelcome at companies today. I felt morally obligated to quit that job because I wasn’t willing to lie about what I believed.
The discussion around the power of HR in shaping company culture and employee dynamics is crucial, especially in the context of building startups post-COVID. It's fascinating to think about how strategies like Operation Warp Speed can inspire future innovations in other sectors, showing the potential for rapid development and deployment when necessity drives action. 🚀
I worked from home one day because it snowed, and I was SHOCKED at how productive I was. I told my boss, and he didn't believe me. And from that day on I stopped doing any work, because I knew this idiot had NO IDEA what I was even doing all day, so why bother?
Great discussion, made me think about your portfolio company Databricks. Two of its founders and one board member sold $32M shares each in December 2023. Amy thoughts on how this reflects re: culture and startup building?
I'd be interested to hear your guy's take on how Silicon Valley changed American capitalism and whether or not it's making the wealth gap wider than ever before.
“It’s mainly teenagers working in fast food.” How can teenagers, on a student schedule, constrained to one or two shifts a week, constitute each of the open hours of a fast food chain/franchise? It’s not possible, and this is common rhetoric from Ben Horowitz. I’ve met these fast food workers, few are students, and main demographic are immigrants in their 30s-50s.
Yes, a 40 hour work week is a government-imposes structure. Do you know why? Because if you'd leave it to capitalism, we'd all be working 60+ hours and if you don't you wouldn't make a living wage. There are (quite a few) times when we actually do need the government to save us from capitalism's flaws
When Ben mentions his friend being the ceo of McDonald’s it shows he has a dog in the fight and an incentive to back him up, regardless of whether he believes in the truth
I resent the thought that one doesn’t get their bang for a buck from government services, I worked for the Social Security Administration for 28 years and I worked my butt off for a federal agency that despite its issues, works.
I’m all cool with tech innovation. But those greedy billionaires think 40 hours a week is such terrible to the mankind, and with all the tech development, they want people to work 60 to 80 hours a week. If the tech suppose to improve our lives, why the tech workers can’t enjoy it?
Nice point guys. Institutions think things are good, the citizens don’t. Do you think that has to do with citizens live in a world of cumulative inflation and then institutions just look a few key indicators? Clearly their indicators are not relevant to how the citizens experience life. My guess is they are not indexing for cumulative inflation and they are looking at models that do not actually represent the true life experience for 95% of people.
Please increase publishing frequency. Quite impressed by Ben’s insight into the lower classes’ experience. This has obviously been a priority for him that was obvious from reading his book The Hard Things about Hard Things. Doesn’t normally impress or convince me but it does here.
"the fact that higher ed has more administrators than students." What the what?!?! In the US there are approximately 218k admin jobs in higher ed and nearly 20 million students. Student to admin ratio is ~ 90:1
One thing that's important when consuming content like this is to take in the useful stuff and leave out the things that aren't aligned with your values or you straight up don't agree with. I've taken up a lot of useful information from these guys, but hearing them say that the 40h work week is now a government-imposed structure? Cmon now, that's absolute bullcrap. Also, in today's society people already are starting to see through the ridiculous ideas of "working hard" for 60+ hours a week, it's no longer the glorified hustler culture that's dominating people's day-to-day living. Unless you own a start-up, family business or you're in very specific circumstances, you ARE NOT moving towards success working that many hours, only towards burnout, resentment, declining physical and mental health, atrophying interpersonal relationships and a ton of other negative side-effects. Keep the hustle culture contained for the start-up founders, 99% of people should strive to do more while working less hours, and spend their free time in more humane ways. And especially, keep this nonsense away from the kids, they should not be working at age of 13, especially not when that automatically leads them to subscribe to ideas that say unless they are working 80h a week they cannot make it
LOL, what are you talking about? In 1869 President Grant made the 8 hour work day the norm for federal employees, which set the standard for private work. Then built up over time with more companies, including Ford, adopting a 40 hour work week. In 1938 the US mandated a max 44 hour work week, and in 1940 amended that to 40 hours.
40 to 50 hours per week is the norm among almost everyone i know that is middle class, slightly getting ahead or atleist avoiding high debt. This is in upstate NY
What is this nonsense about working 70-80 hours? If i do the maths, 8 hour sleep is very important for a healthy body so that takes already 40 hours from a week, which then leaves 80 hours from the week, thus there is essentially no time left to do any but work. Everyone should have the option the work longer if work environment is equitable but most of the time it isnt so it makes sense for the government to regulate some basic rules otherwise companies can abuse their power.
HOLY SH!T IT'S NOT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO WORK 40 HRS A WEEK, IT'S WHEN IS THAT NOT GOING TO BE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOURS ONE HAS TO WORK TO AFFORD TO LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Warp speed created / creates perverse incentives; possibly root of issues some people are seeing. 2. Amazon's culture is the worst i've personally experienced, I can't image worse, at least in this day and age.
You two seem out of touch and seem to promote ideas motivated by self interest. It doesn’t sound like you’ve been to a fast food restaurant in the past decade and talking in general about adolescence when your only experience is likely in the context of the upper middle class.
Plastic is biodegradable. The problem is the board members of greenpeace who make $300,000 a year have a vested interest in lying to you and saying plastic is a huge problem and you need to keep donating to them to "solve" it.
Regarding the economy: I think we have to make a distinction between those invested in stocks. And people in the mid to low income tier who can't invest in stocks. The stock market has been fantastic, made people a lot of money. But those other "tiers" are being hit hard by inflation, so their money is going down in value and that value buys less and less stuff which is a fundamental problem. By the way also one that I see in AI: Most AI products come with a subscription. You need quite some fun money to play around with it which is going to widen the gap.
One thing I think Ben could improve on is acknowledging the motivations behind the decision’s made, particularly evident in this videos examples: restorative justice practices, defund the police, and affordable care act. Otherwise, it seems like he’s alluding to a specific point without inheriting the responsibility of that stance. Restorative justice has lead to a decrease in violent crime, and was the basis of the “an apple to steal, or an apple to survive.” Defund the police, albeit, I was not in favor of this idea, considering that criminal justice reform at a local level does require hefty investment, was motivated by consecutive years of budget inefficiencies, and COVID was an inflection point as to how to get the optimal outcome. The affordable care act is unanimously regarded a conservative legislative bill. Why do I mention conservative? At this point, Congress is becoming increasingly concerned with the predominant outlook of the party despite having an alternative perspective causing a lack of acceptance within their own political party, meaning you can’t say no otherwise you won’t receive the support to see out another term. Barack Obama figured that based on the instances of previous democrat administrations, that it was unlikely to get any of the policies they wanted passed with republicans, but came to the right so much so that lobbying groups were in favor of it. However, this outcome was better than no government funded healthcare system at all, based on the cards that were dealt.
It might lend clarity to the question of faith in institutions for us to phrase it as “trust in organized groups of people who aren’t me to consistently do and say what I want with the power they got by winning the tribal conflict.” From this perspective, it’s easier to realize that changing the groups of humans might not have the effect we hope. It’s humans all the way down. Humans + industrialization = shenanigans. Humans + telephony = shenanigans. Humans + the internet = … same. Humans + web3 = yep…same but * 100 (humans * money) Humans + AI = …hmmm. That’s interesting.
1:01:30 -> Exactly it's what is happening. And whether you believe in Jesus or God... or not at all - if you are honest/sane person you have to admit what Jesus was talking about - what values he represented by his life and teaching, they were good and good for our society. And you can (and should) look and them independently of churches(especially catholic one) as they are governed by people, who are faulty by their nature. And then you have to notice one thing: most current "religions" -> ideologies or politics movements are against those. So no wonder they have bad outcomes....
What Ben says is common rhetoric with many other media personalities, bunching two or three different neighborhoods in San Francisco to encompass the entirety. The behaviors of downtown S.F. is distinct from the Marina, Richmond, and Pacific/Presidio heights. You won’t see the looting culture in these areas and the activity proclaimed is not highly accurate
Do people highly educated in thermodynamic physics know of a higher consideration of nature that overrides accepting that diodes can rectify Johnson - Nyquest thermal noise power and, given the orderliness of consistent orientation in parallel, aggregate a DC residue from each diode into electrical power at any scale coproduced with refrigeration of equivalent thermal energy absorbtion?
Hi Marc, you should consider joining a local Toastmasters. You speak so fast with so many “you know” in between that I can hardly follow. On the other hand, in the current form you have a good shot as a mumble rapper. Just talk and add a beat to it. I’ll buy the album!
No startup neither tech talk here, almost all political. Funny to see they sound very right wing but are making lots of positive comments about educational policies used by some very successful left centrist European countries apparently without giving proper political credit. Two very intelligent people who would help the world much more by sharing their intelligence rather than political tendencies.
I can finally do my chores
Every stops hahaha
😂
Literally
Dig the towers of books in the background, Marc! :)
1:04:30 as a Christian, I was literally told by an HR department that I must “believe” something that completely went against my faith in order to work at that company.
The leftist political ever changing religious views DOES make Christians feel unwelcome at companies today. I felt morally obligated to quit that job because I wasn’t willing to lie about what I believed.
The discussion around the power of HR in shaping company culture and employee dynamics is crucial, especially in the context of building startups post-COVID. It's fascinating to think about how strategies like Operation Warp Speed can inspire future innovations in other sectors, showing the potential for rapid development and deployment when necessity drives action. 🚀
I worked from home one day because it snowed, and I was SHOCKED at how productive I was. I told my boss, and he didn't believe me. And from that day on I stopped doing any work, because I knew this idiot had NO IDEA what I was even doing all day, so why bother?
Love it! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
LETS GO!
Great episode 😅
All of my mentors are wise and wealthy. None of them know I exist.
At times I felt like the intention was to see how close Ben and Marc could get to having the video banned on TH-cam 😂. Overall, very entertaining.
I love it my bros
is that schrödinger’s cat emoji? so cute!
And the dopest intro music goes to…
Great discussion, made me think about your portfolio company Databricks. Two of its founders and one board member sold $32M shares each in December 2023. Amy thoughts on how this reflects re: culture and startup building?
Where can we ask questions to be answered in the show?
I'd be interested to hear your guy's take on how Silicon Valley changed American capitalism and whether or not it's making the wealth gap wider than ever before.
did marc get a straw to match his can?
🤘
“It’s mainly teenagers working in fast food.” How can teenagers, on a student schedule, constrained to one or two shifts a week, constitute each of the open hours of a fast food chain/franchise? It’s not possible, and this is common rhetoric from Ben Horowitz. I’ve met these fast food workers, few are students, and main demographic are immigrants in their 30s-50s.
Yes, a 40 hour work week is a government-imposes structure. Do you know why? Because if you'd leave it to capitalism, we'd all be working 60+ hours and if you don't you wouldn't make a living wage. There are (quite a few) times when we actually do need the government to save us from capitalism's flaws
Wow. THAT is Ben's takeaway on warp speed? Is this an AI spoof?
ok peter griffin
Whats the beef chicken
When Ben mentions his friend being the ceo of McDonald’s it shows he has a dog in the fight and an incentive to back him up, regardless of whether he believes in the truth
I resent the thought that one doesn’t get their bang for a buck from government services, I worked for the Social Security Administration for 28 years and I worked my butt off for a federal agency that despite its issues, works.
Late...
I’m all cool with tech innovation. But those greedy billionaires think 40 hours a week is such terrible to the mankind, and with all the tech development, they want people to work 60 to 80 hours a week. If the tech suppose to improve our lives, why the tech workers can’t enjoy it?
wow look at his cone head
Y’all are both billionaires. Can you tell us how to make millions instead of droning over a life you’re not apart of 😢
Invest in private businesses. Oh wait you can't.
Thank you Marc and Ben for this entertaining show on technology & culture.
Nice point guys. Institutions think things are good, the citizens don’t. Do you think that has to do with citizens live in a world of cumulative inflation and then institutions just look a few key indicators? Clearly their indicators are not relevant to how the citizens experience life. My guess is they are not indexing for cumulative inflation and they are looking at models that do not actually represent the true life experience for 95% of people.
Please increase publishing frequency. Quite impressed by Ben’s insight into the lower classes’ experience. This has obviously been a priority for him that was obvious from reading his book The Hard Things about Hard Things. Doesn’t normally impress or convince me but it does here.
"the fact that higher ed has more administrators than students." What the what?!?! In the US there are approximately 218k admin jobs in higher ed and nearly 20 million students. Student to admin ratio is ~ 90:1
Thank you for that data. His comment caught my attention as well.
It's true at Stanford. Look it up
@@ryankane971 😳
they make up shit all the time. remember that adam neumann is marc's favorite entrepreneur. criminals the lot of them
Yes Stanford has about 16k students to 18k admin and faculty. The 18k is 15k admin and far less than 3k faculty. Wow!
Question: Can some one ask Ben what his thoughts are on Diddy and the impact to Rap Entrepreneurship?
Free Ralo
One thing that's important when consuming content like this is to take in the useful stuff and leave out the things that aren't aligned with your values or you straight up don't agree with. I've taken up a lot of useful information from these guys, but hearing them say that the 40h work week is now a government-imposed structure? Cmon now, that's absolute bullcrap. Also, in today's society people already are starting to see through the ridiculous ideas of "working hard" for 60+ hours a week, it's no longer the glorified hustler culture that's dominating people's day-to-day living. Unless you own a start-up, family business or you're in very specific circumstances, you ARE NOT moving towards success working that many hours, only towards burnout, resentment, declining physical and mental health, atrophying interpersonal relationships and a ton of other negative side-effects. Keep the hustle culture contained for the start-up founders, 99% of people should strive to do more while working less hours, and spend their free time in more humane ways. And especially, keep this nonsense away from the kids, they should not be working at age of 13, especially not when that automatically leads them to subscribe to ideas that say unless they are working 80h a week they cannot make it
Yeah they’ve been rich for so long they forget what it’s like to be middle class, most people work because they have bills to pay
LOL, what are you talking about? In 1869 President Grant made the 8 hour work day the norm for federal employees, which set the standard for private work. Then built up over time with more companies, including Ford, adopting a 40 hour work week. In 1938 the US mandated a max 44 hour work week, and in 1940 amended that to 40 hours.
40 to 50 hours per week is the norm among almost everyone i know that is middle class, slightly getting ahead or atleist avoiding high debt. This is in upstate NY
4 super interesting topics thanks 🙏
AZ pulling out the heavy trap
Lovely conversation.
Fantastic conversation, as always.
It’s awesome to see you two chat
How refreshing, thanks guys
What is this nonsense about working 70-80 hours? If i do the maths, 8 hour sleep is very important for a healthy body so that takes already 40 hours from a week, which then leaves 80 hours from the week, thus there is essentially no time left to do any but work. Everyone should have the option the work longer if work environment is equitable but most of the time it isnt so it makes sense for the government to regulate some basic rules otherwise companies can abuse their power.
which camera r u all using . its crystal clear😀
Amazing discourse on HR as de facto thought police and unaccountable power centers in large organizations
You can afford a bookcase
HOLY SH!T IT'S NOT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO WORK 40 HRS A WEEK, IT'S WHEN IS THAT NOT GOING TO BE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOURS ONE HAS TO WORK TO AFFORD TO LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Annnndddd break time
ben look young
1. Warp speed created / creates perverse incentives; possibly root of issues some people are seeing. 2. Amazon's culture is the worst i've personally experienced, I can't image worse, at least in this day and age.
You two seem out of touch and seem to promote ideas motivated by self interest. It doesn’t sound like you’ve been to a fast food restaurant in the past decade and talking in general about adolescence when your only experience is likely in the context of the upper middle class.
Hey don't hate on plastic too much, the next 100x bagger is Origin Materials. $ORGN
Plastic is biodegradable. The problem is the board members of greenpeace who make $300,000 a year have a vested interest in lying to you and saying plastic is a huge problem and you need to keep donating to them to "solve" it.
Regarding the economy: I think we have to make a distinction between those invested in stocks. And people in the mid to low income tier who can't invest in stocks. The stock market has been fantastic, made people a lot of money. But those other "tiers" are being hit hard by inflation, so their money is going down in value and that value buys less and less stuff which is a fundamental problem.
By the way also one that I see in AI: Most AI products come with a subscription. You need quite some fun money to play around with it which is going to widen the gap.
One thing I think Ben could improve on is acknowledging the motivations behind the decision’s made, particularly evident in this videos examples: restorative justice practices, defund the police, and affordable care act. Otherwise, it seems like he’s alluding to a specific point without inheriting the responsibility of that stance. Restorative justice has lead to a decrease in violent crime, and was the basis of the “an apple to steal, or an apple to survive.” Defund the police, albeit, I was not in favor of this idea, considering that criminal justice reform at a local level does require hefty investment, was motivated by consecutive years of budget inefficiencies, and COVID was an inflection point as to how to get the optimal outcome. The affordable care act is unanimously regarded a conservative legislative bill. Why do I mention conservative? At this point, Congress is becoming increasingly concerned with the predominant outlook of the party despite having an alternative perspective causing a lack of acceptance within their own political party, meaning you can’t say no otherwise you won’t receive the support to see out another term. Barack Obama figured that based on the instances of previous democrat administrations, that it was unlikely to get any of the policies they wanted passed with republicans, but came to the right so much so that lobbying groups were in favor of it. However, this outcome was better than no government funded healthcare system at all, based on the cards that were dealt.
To continue learning, this also depends on who will teach. Who will teach in this new world? Artificial Intelligences?
Thank you for bringing this show to us. Much appreciated.
Marc. Clearly you guys have the best mics, however, sound terrible. Sorry.
It might lend clarity to the question of faith in institutions for us to phrase it as “trust in organized groups of people who aren’t me to consistently do and say what I want with the power they got by winning the tribal conflict.”
From this perspective, it’s easier to realize that changing the groups of humans might not have the effect we hope. It’s humans all the way down.
Humans + industrialization = shenanigans.
Humans + telephony = shenanigans.
Humans + the internet = … same.
Humans + web3 = yep…same but * 100 (humans * money)
Humans + AI = …hmmm. That’s interesting.
1:01:30 -> Exactly it's what is happening. And whether you believe in Jesus or God... or not at all - if you are honest/sane person you have to admit what Jesus was talking about - what values he represented by his life and teaching, they were good and good for our society. And you can (and should) look and them independently of churches(especially catholic one) as they are governed by people, who are faulty by their nature. And then you have to notice one thing: most current "religions" -> ideologies or politics movements are against those. So no wonder they have bad outcomes....
What Ben says is common rhetoric with many other media personalities, bunching two or three different neighborhoods in San Francisco to encompass the entirety. The behaviors of downtown S.F. is distinct from the Marina, Richmond, and Pacific/Presidio heights. You won’t see the looting culture in these areas and the activity proclaimed is not highly accurate
Do people highly educated in thermodynamic physics know of a higher consideration of nature that overrides accepting that diodes can rectify Johnson - Nyquest thermal noise power and, given the orderliness of consistent orientation in parallel, aggregate a DC residue from each diode into electrical power at any scale coproduced with refrigeration of equivalent thermal energy absorbtion?
I'm so glad I turned down that job offer from Google and live in poverty instead. It's way less stressful.
sub based on the intro ......knew it was gonna be good
Half way through and not heard the keyword AI yet
NVKE hr instead
First comment?
Hi Marc, you should consider joining a local Toastmasters. You speak so fast with so many “you know” in between that I can hardly follow. On the other hand, in the current form you have a good shot as a mumble rapper. Just talk and add a beat to it. I’ll buy the album!
Yep, first TH-cam where I don’t need to speed it up to 1.75
1:01:19 💡
i cant help but think the lack of respect for hr in this conversation stems from it being predominantly a women led sector
Intro goes too hard
No startup neither tech talk here, almost all political.
Funny to see they sound very right wing but are making lots of positive comments about educational policies used by some very successful left centrist European countries apparently without giving proper political credit.
Two very intelligent people who would help the world much more by sharing their intelligence rather than political tendencies.