I apologize lol. I know we share a lot of subscribers. If people are giving you the most questions about a model 610, it's more than likely my fault. You have valid points, I mostly got mine because I was worried about getting even a single malfunction if I picked up a new 10mm pistol, which I would never hear the end of it how I "limp wrist". I can definitely see how someone would be like "you paid what? For THAT! - WHY??". I used to have that same model 629 with the half lug, I traded it in 12 years ago and I regret it.
Tons of people will fling a blanket over these decisions, time after time - based on their own personal circumstances - and everyone else should adhere to those & those only. When it's really pretty nuanced and situational...and comes down to probabilities. What are the odds? of: 1. an attack 2. being able to even draw 3. getting ANY hits 4. needing multiple hits - and being able to make them, quickly enough 5. needing to reload 6. having a malfunction 7. having time to clear a malfunction 8. others (one more caliber, availability, serviceability, etc, etc.) The same guy could benefit sometimes to have his .44 mag revolver in a chest holster, or other times instead having a 10mm with 16 rds on his hip. Being out by himself along the foggy, rocky coast standing over a partially broken-down elk and unable to see around the bend 20 yards away, isn't the same as being with 3 other armed defenders who all also have rifles and looking every direction all able to see 300 yards clearly. I'd personally carry two; a revolver & semi-auto if I ever thought a grizzly attack is even somewhat possible. If extremely likely, I doubt I'd ever go it alone. Gun Sam _Auto-loader Aficionado_ ....has a ring to it. Maybe a 2nd channel?
@@GunSam I've seen your videos with your converted Glock 41 & I've seen enough problems with the 41 with factory 45acp ammo to know that gun wasn't a good choice from the beginning. I have a Glock 40 that doesn't have problems but it was made with a heavier slide specifically for 10mm. Those who understand that don't "diagnose" your 41's reliability issue because we know it's actually a design problem. I suggest not letting the comments get to you so much but I also get why you do.
Don't you hate it when people misinterpret what you say, then accuse you of gaslighting them or believe you're implying they're an emotional wreak? 🙄 It usually involves the .38 Special, specifically. 😏
I value your opinion, but I have multiple 10mm semi autos and the 610in 4.5 and 6 inch. I love the consistency of my 10mm covering both my semi and wheel gun without having multiple cartridges. I do have a 40S&W semi auto so this makes it nice to have the practice ammo for the wheel gun. I also like using the moon clips for quick reloads rather than the speed loaders. My preference and opinion.
I would just point out that Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt exist, which are cut for 45ACP moonclips. Or Blackhawk in 45 Colt combo with 45ACP cylinders. And they can take the spicy 45 Colt +P.
I was in grizz country 2 years ago off the denali highway in alaska. Everyone had G 20 autos in camp. I had a 5" GP100 357 mag. with my own handload of a 160gr. Hardcast over 18gr. Of H110 .they all made sport of me saying the 357 was inadequate compared to their 10mm. I pointed out that my 357 had more ft.lb. of energy than their 10's but they just gave me a hard time.
Hey, I, too, am a 10mm fan. I first became interested in the 10mm in the early 1980's. That is when the gun mags were writing about the Bren Ten. Produced by Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises. The company faced production problems and was short-lived. Jeff Cooper and Whit Collins were credited with developing the 10mm auto cartridge concept. I was hooked and wanted one but never got a glimpse of one. The Colt Delta Elite came out in mid to late 80s, and i got my first 10mm a year after they came out. Yes, I still have it. Plus, another one, ot two.... I eventually saw a gun smith boring out 10mm auto chambers to a 10mm magnum length on revolvers, of course. I bought a Ruger GP 101 in 10mm, the match champion, and quickly made arrangements to have it bored out. The only company I know of that loaded ammo for the 10mm mag was Doubletap Ammunition. I see they still list it but I haven't seen it in stock in a log time. Nowadays, when I see a review or article comparing the 10mm auto to the .357 magnum, I feel it's a little slighted. I agree, the 10mm magnum is difficult to find ammo for unless you reload. The last time I looked, Doubletap was still selling it. I have someballistic data from Doubletap's website plus some from an online ballistics chart. Just for fun, I compared data from the 10mm mag to like weight. 357 mag data. I'll run through this real quick. 10mm 135gr 1900 fps 1080 energy / 357 125gr 1500 and 625. 10mm 155gr 1400 and 683 / 357 158gr 1250 and 538. 10mm 180gr 1150 and 529 / 357 180gr 1400 and 783. 10mm 200gr hardcast 1450 and 933 / 357 200gr 1200 and 640. Both are bringing the heat for sure. I have both. I like both. Still, the 10mm is my favorite handgun cartridge. The .40 S&W, 10mm auto, and the 10mm magnum. I think a more fair comparison would be .40 vs 38 special / 10mm auto vs 38 special + P+ / 10mm mag va .357 mag. And as far as the .357 maximum, uncle already !! I do enjoy your channel and your content. Plus, you keep it ad free, thx. I ended up getting a RugerLC Carbune in, of course, 10mm auto, lol. Ruger got part of the LC claim right, it is Compact, but I wouldn't call it Light. Later Turkey.
Well i got my S&W model 610 10.mm 5 inch barre in 1989 and i gor my Ruger GP 100 10.mm blue 5 inch barre in 2018 i love both of them, my S&W 610 stop a bore in 1995 i got jump by the bore why i was hiking it did a very good job stoping it and i reload the 40 S&W 10.mm 45 ACP / 45 LC,
I've always been on the fence about 10mm revolvers, for one I love the .40 and 10mm but to me, a revolver should also be chambered in a, you know, REVOLVER cartridge. That said, I do have a 4" S&W 610 that shoots very good and I like it despite my OCD complaining about it a little...semi auto cartridges in a revolver?? What are ya thinking?!!! Haahaaa.... I love the .357 Mag too, it and the 44 Mag (and 500 Mag) are without question some of my favorite cartridges of all time.
As I have noted before... Your channel deserves to be in the handful of best gun channels on U-tube! Thanks for another great video! You should try the Underwood .38 Special+P with ~150 grain SWC versus a section of 6x6 pressure treated pine like that used on Banana Ballistics out of an air-weight +P S&W snub-nosed revolver! Oh yeah, you might want to be ready for ~ the same level of recoil as a .357 Magnum out of that gun. I spoke with the people at Underwood and they essentially confirmed that they used the same reasoning to choose the high muzzle energy lower pressure propellants as can be found in the Hodgdon Annual manuals (check highest ME versus lowest MAP for the various powders). Keep up the excellent work!
I shot a Ithaca 357 carbine lever action at some steel,slightly over 1/4”thick at 50 yards,with 158 grain buffalo bore. It blew right thru the metal plate. Then í compared from same distance and same target,hipoint 1095 10mm carbine,using 180grain buffalo bore. I’m sure I gained higher fps with the longer barrels.10mm didn’t penetrate metal plate,it wanted to,but didn’t. 357 mag still the king in my pistol calibers. Love my ruger GP100,but I still daily carry my G40 10mm instead. Great video,keep them rolling. Happy new year’s!
So i love your videos and I'm mostly going to agree would you, I do have a few comments. I may also be biased so bear that in mind. I own multiple s&w 357s, 627 v-comp, model 60, 342 pd ( ouch) and a 686. I also own (2) 610s 4" and 6.5" and a 310 nightguard. I handload both cartridges. I am not telling anyone to do this but a 10mm can be loaded significantly hotter than spec if running in a revolver. With blue dot in my 6.5 " 610 I can get 800 ft/lbs without blowing primers. You have to push 357 very hard to hit that also. I wouldn't run them in any semi-auto but you cannot physically put enough powder in a 10mm case to hurt a 610. Again I am not telling anyone to try it unless they really know what they are doing. The biggest reason I choose my 610 is accuracy. The 6.5" 610 is widely regarded for it's accuracy. I have never found another revolver that can match a 610s 100 yd group including my 460. None of my 357s come close and my 627 is a great gun. If you do some looking around you will find a lot of guys who love the 610 accuracy. Thanks for the great videos
My friend has a 10mm G20 4.60" barrel & a Ruger 10mm GP100 4.25" when we put them through the chrono we got pretty much the same velocities with both guns & we were expecting the revolver to be slower because of the cylinder gap & shorter barrel but it wasn't. Very surprising results.
Thought I over slept this morning and it was April 1st .. Turkey says 357 Mag over 10mm! Ohh, in revolvers. That's why you watch until the end. Happy New Year to all. U4
Actually the .38 S&W shouldn't chamber in a .357 handgun. The bullet is .004” larger and the case is larger in diameter. I would be shocked and amazed if it will fit into any .357 revolver.
@ I did, that's why I posted. The projectile is several thousandths larger in diameter. I am 100% sure you are correct about it fitting in your gun, but several sources I've seen indicate that it is not a good idea to do it. Just trying to pass along some information, so that somebody else doesn't run into trouble. Gun tolerances can vary quite a bit.
Do Not Shoot 38 S&W in any 357 Magnum or 38 Special revolver period! It has a .361 diameter bullet and a larger case as well. It is not interchangeable! The 38 Long Colt and 38 Short Colt will work just fine.
Amen to that! I get so tired of people talking about the ten mm as if is the sem-auto equivalent of a 41 or even 44 magnum. A properly loaded 357 will best the 10mm every time. Sometimes by as nuch as 200 ft/lbs. And it's not far behind in bullet diameter either. The 357 uses .357 snd .358 diameter bullets, in essence it a 36 magnum. The only advantage the 10 has capacity.
Yup talking almost 1500fps from a 158 grain bullet from a 4" barrel with buffalo bores loading. And their 180 grain hard cast does 1375fps from a 4" barrel. Faster than their 10mm 180 grain loading from a 5" barrel.
You read my mind. I was having a long drawn-out conversation of this very topic with some guys I know who gun enthusiasts, but do not reload, and pretty much just shoot guns. I bring up reloading because generally, those who do seem to understand ballistics, pressures, and minimum/maximum capabilities better. I give this video 2 thumbs up!! I never got into 10mm, though it is a great cartridge. I have used handguns for hunting much of my life. The 357mag, 41mag 44mag, and 45LC have done well. I do not live in bear country so I do not need something for that. In semi-auto guns, I have 9mm, 45acp, and 22LR. I suppose it really comes down to what you want. If you like a wheel gun in 10mm, life is short, get one.
I also LOVE my 10mm's and the cartridge!! I also do not feel its a candidate as a dedicated Revolver cartridge. Buy a 41 Mag or as you point out, the 357 Mag is a good replacement. I was very tempted in a "Wiley Capp" GP100 as well as the late great Jeff Quinn commemorative GP100 Revolvers. I dont agree that the 357 Trumps 10mm but also as you point out its (both actually) are under loaded. The 10mm as diameter and weight advantage. A .400 bullet @ 1200+ isn't a thing in a 357 Mag revolver. A 180 and 1200 ish is 357 Mag preformance. Handloaded longer bbls might exceed that but the 10mm is doing that in a sub 6". The 357 would need 8" CW
On a .357 revolver you can also shoot .38 super ammo (semi rimmed) which is more powerful than the .38 special or .38 special +p . And that is a fast ammo. I’ve heard that it doesn’t fit on some revolvers but I have Rugers , S&W, mahurin and korth and at least in the models I have I haven’t have any problems.
Also some 357 Mag revolvers, such as the new Pietta Triple King for example, have extra cylinders which can be easily switched in, chambered for 38 Super and 9mm Parabellum. This just adds to the 357 Mag platforms versatility even more.
One other comment, I know I already made 3. I never understood the point but I saw a few of these at competitions. This and the 45 ACP one. The reasoning was that it’s faster to reload a moon clip than one with a speed loader. I’m sure people like Jerry would prove me wrong but that what they’d tell me when I’d ask why not a 357 mag and that was their answer, they liked the moon clips for speed reloads. 🤷♂️
I hear you. The only reason I have some 9mm revolvers is due to the cheaper price of 9mm for going to the range. If 10mm were priced like 9mm, then a 10 wheelie would make better sense.
If you have a 610 S&W, you can move up to the 10mm Magnum!! It’s near the 41mag. I just did this and it’s amazing. Just needed to lengthen the cylinder bored about a 1/4” and Starline has the brass in 10mm mag
Just something most people don't know about the the .357mag is actually 9mm so it is a whole mm smaller than the the 10mm and the .40s&w is 10mm. Not important but still nice to know.
There is one very serious issue with the use of 10mm ammo in a revolver, bullet creep. Automatic ammo is taped crimped which is fine for automatics. The lack of a good roll crimp as used in revolver ammo the bullets can creep out enough to alter ballistics and accuracy and can tie the cylinder, not good and especially happens with hard cast high performance ammo typically used for dangerous game. Having a gun jam up solid before you can empty the cylinder say into a big bear isn’t my idea of fun. If you want 10mm plus performance in a revolver find a .41 mag.
I have a 610 , the recoil even with underwood or Buffalo bore ammo is not enough to produce bullet creep. Gun weighs over 40 0z. Much more than my glock 10's
I have a Redhawk 45colt/45acp that's only had one cylinder of acp thru it to see if it worked. Yes it was fine & very low recoil but pointless for me. I bought it for 45colt. I agree, leave the auto rounds in autos & revolver rounds in revolvers.
The point of 45acp in Redhawk is more about less cost of factory ammo to keep it running vs the factory 45 Colt. Its just a way of keeping a 45 Redhawk running for less if you dont reload.
I own three 10mm revolvers and one dedicated .40 S&W revolver. The 610 can have the cylinder bored to fit 10mm Magnum cartridges while still being able to shoot the shorter 10 and 40. 40 ammunition is still cheaper than .38 Special. I do own two .357s and a .38, all are Colts. They're fine guns, but I can find .40 ammunition easier than I can find .38 right now. Moon clips are fine, they fit in some speed loader holders.
.357 is, as far as I am concerned, the best pistol caliber ever invented. One of the things I think about with revolvers using semi auto calibers, is the very possible crimp jump. The tapered crimp of an auto round is not as strong as the positive crimp into the cannelure of a revolver round, plus the recoil in a revolver is more complete without the slide/spring action of the auto soaking up a lot of it. I am not saying it WILL happen, but it CAN happen a lot easier than standard revolver loads. And if it does, your cylinder will not turn and you have a paper weight till you get it back to the shop and fix it.
I do not consider revolvers to have unquestioned reliability, but they are so perfect for rimmed cartridges. It may be possible to fire a rimless round without the moon clip, but it’s possible to have been pushed forward, and the case stretched on firing, where revolvers are also so perfect for handloaders, unless the brass is damaged. I’m tickled that it works for some people, but moon clip are just not for me, durn hard to find out in the field if dropped and far easier to damage than a mag. Too bad rimmed revolver cartridges seem to be fading out of favor, and getting pricey.
BUT, the revolver can be rechambered to 10mm Mag, and loaded by DoubleTap it is one Bad Baby. Plus you can still shoot regular 10mm and 40 with moon clips.
No half moon clips for me. It's just something else to lose. If you have the money for expensive novelties, or a giant pile of 10mm auto ammo, go for it! I think we are in agreement. Or similarly.... "frugal". How about 44 mag necked down to .40? Or .45 long colt down to .40? They have rims and are revolver ready. They make more sense to me than half moon clips and in between performance. Mated with a nice lever gun, ,. Oooh buddy. Nice dreams.
I have the ruger Blackhawk convertible 10mm/40s&w which is not made anymore, what do you think of converting it to 10mm magnum also? I’ve thought about it
I was looking for the same pistol kit you have but settled on the Ruger SRH in 6.5". I had mine reamed out to 10mm Magnum and it puts the 10mm/.357 Mag to shame! If I were you, I would ream out the 40 S&W cylinder to 10mm Mag. Most gunsmiths only ream out Ruger SBH & SRH to 10mm Mag due to their heavy construction. I bought the Ruger GP100 10mm and NO gunsmith would ream it out because its not made to handle the pressure/recoil of the 10mm magnum.
Not really sure why people get so attached to a name that they want to force it to work in platforms it's not designed for. Semi-autos have certain advantages over revolvers, one of them is NOT bullet versatility. They can only be so big because they have to fit into a mag and that mag can only be so big because it has to fit in your grip. No reason to add that limitation to a revolver that already has limitations of its own.
I may have the wrong information, but dont modern smith revolvers have to HAVE moon clips to head space/function correctly? Unlike the old 1917 which used moon clips and the case mouth to head space. Can the 610 fire reliably without moon clips?
First of all I have nothing against the 10 mm. It's a great cartridge. A lot of people probably won't agree with this but, .357" diameter bullets have better sectional density than .400" diameter. Will probably penetrate better than .400" bullets. A .357" 158 gr. has .177 sc, and a .400" 200gr. has .179 sc. I know a lot of people like big bullet diameter, so whatever floats your boat.
I would never buy a 10mm revolver either, the whole appeal with 10mm is that you get near 357 performance but with a higher capacity, if you want a revolver take advantage of the power and get a 44 mag or something more powerful.
Most 10mm fanboys think their lil 10mm pistols will vaporize a grizzly or anything bigger when semi auto calibers are not suitable for grizzly defense. For that you need 44mag, minimum.
My own view is that you are missing out. For the reasons of ammo cost, logistics, versatility, shootability and recoil. Ammo cost: in my state online ordering is illegal. There is an effective 20% tax on all gun and ammo purchases. Thus the only way to keep shooting is through reloading. Even during shortages I can occasionally get large pistol primers, forget the small pistol primers. So keeping my brass is a no brainer. Win for the revolver. [Even with the Graco Brass Catcher I loose lots of brass]. Logistics: even the most expensive of the four moon clip providers for the 610: TK Customs at $8 a moon clip, is far cheaper than even a Glock 20 Mag. Let alone proprietary Sig, or Springfield or Smith mags. Magazines like moon clips are a consumable item. They will wear out, faster the more you shoot. Magazine lips spread, the tube cracks, etc. Besides TK Custom there is Smith of course, Ranch Products, and EZ Moonclips "RIMZ" which are polymer and very sturdy. Both Safariland and Simply Rugged make great moonclip / speedloader holders. They don't scream gun to most people. Versatility: Unlike a 1911 (must balance recoil spring, firing pin spring, main hammer spring, and firing pin stop flat or round) or a Glock (must change recoil spring strengths) when you go from mild to wild, a revolver just works. You can carry mild self defense loads with hollow points, or more robust hard cast loads for animal defense, without lengthy and costly futzing around to determine the exact balance of set up that will run with that ammo. Shootability: Semi autos are great on the one way flat range. As Daryll Bolke (well known trainer, Colt had him roll out the new Python Blued models for selected shooters) notes, police body cams are filled with video of shooter induced malfunctions which tracks with the late Paul Harrell's view that shooter induced malfunctions are much more common in auto loaders under stress. A 10mm revolver will function if held loosely, upside down, sideways, not an issue even if you slip on wet ground. The same can not be said for Autos in any caliber. Gun Sam Revolver who I see posted here, has long noted that there is a big gap in revolver calibers. From the .357 you go to the rare and seldom seen .41 magnum, which is great but has nearly the recoil of the .44 magnum, to the latter. There is no in-between caliber of about .40 with a 200 grain bullet doing 1200 feet or so from the muzzle. But the 10mm will do that all day, very very comfortably in the N Frame 610, whereas that same frame in .44 Magnum is uncomfortable to shoot to the point where R. Lee Ermey declined to shoot a second cylinder in "Mail Call." And that is the biggest selling point -- that big N Frame is very easy to shoot with 10mm. Obviously, your situation is different from mine but I think you would change your mind if you shot the 610 for a while.
Rimless Cartridges in a Revolver Just Suck!... The ENTIRE REASON the Daggone 10mm is Rimless is so it'll work in a Semi Automatic Platform!... The Hell with Screwing Around with Moon Clips!... They're nothing but a Big Pain In The Rear End!.... I'm sure that you are aware that Moon Clips came about out of Necessity during WW2 so that .45 Auto Cartridges could be Shot in The .45 Colt S&W and Colt Revolvers... That cut out a lot of Supply Chain Issues and Confusion... If I needed a Big, Powerful Semi Auto, I'd go right out and get a Glock 20 in 10mm... Definitely Not a Revolver in 10mm.... That would be a Very Poor Decision in my opinion... GREAT VIDEO!...
If you are on the fence about a 10MM revolver do not listen to this TURKEY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seriously they both 357Mag and 10MM has their place I believe in revolvers. The 357Mag will usually penetrate deeper and the 10MM will cut a wider wound channel. I believe that moonclips load quicker than the speed loader you displayed. Good video as usual.
I had a 9 mm revolver with moon clips. Got rid of it after a year. Ended up getting another 9 mm semi. Personally I simply love a 357 revolver as well as the 44 mag. When I do decide to get a 10 mm it will definitely be a semi auto.
10mm revolvers are awesome! I have a 4.2" Ruger GP100 and 6.5" Ruger SRH in 10mm and get amazing velocity/accuracy with my reloads. I had the SRH reamed out to 10mm Magnum for $200 and easily get 200gr bullets @1650-1700fps.
A large concern;with a 10MM revolver,is BULLET CREEP!! Semi-auto type cartridges;are prone to that effect,given they're TAPER CRIMPED;not ROLL CRIMPED!! Often semi type cartridges will JAM a revolver,due that condition. The 10MM will ASSUREDLY do so,in it's proper loading! .40S/W is about the max intensity,to use ,RELIABILY in revolvers! Just a friendly heads up!
Colt 1917, S&W 25 and may be a few others. These are all old guns and I don't think anything newer is made, other than maybe Charter Arms. I have a old S&W Model 25 Target in .45acp and it is a tack driver.
10mm revolvers IMHO are pointless😂. Defeats the purpose having more capacity than 357...from crimp jump to moonclips to bullet profiles...10mm ina a revolver is a nogo for me
@DR676767 im sure id like it too just because its a firearm alone 😂 not to mention a revolver...but from my point of view its pointless. Just get the 357 mag...use your 40 and 10 ammo in a semi auto. im sure you can get conversion barrels to use one gun for both
10mm and 357mag are neck and neck across the board on power factors. The hottest loaded of each from companies like Underwood and Buffalo Bore produce identical ft lbs of energy for both. Yes, the draw for 10mm is that power factor out of a high capacity semi auto definitely agreed on that
10mm isnt weaker or stronger than 357. disreguard the velocities and look at the max case volume and max pressure for each. 10mm has 10% less case capacity but 10% more max pressure than a 357 mag they are ballistically a wash. so no a 357 is not more powerful but 10mm is generally loaded weak
Why I won't buy a 9mm revolver..even though I'm a 9mm guy. 1. Bullet creep or sometimes call Bullet jumping. There's a chance that the other bullets might jump a little forward when shooting. That will be dangerous. Semi auto cartridges design are not like like revolver cartridges. If you're re-loader you'll know what I mean and will see the difference between a semi auto and a revolver bullet. 2. Moon clips. They will bent, get damaged and you have to be more careful with them. They are also a pain in the ass to load and strip the rounds off. Again if you're not careful you might damage or bend that moon clip and if you want to avoid or reduce the damage you kind of have to consider getting another tool device. 3. The point of a semi auto pistol is to have more rounds than a revolver. If you want to carry a small gun? Wouldn't make sense to carry a 38 special or a compact pistol like Shield? If you want a big revolver...well wouldn't it make sense to stick with .357 mag or something? I know I know..There's that Pitbull 9mm revolver that doesn't need moon clip to reload. You carry a spare magazine like a Glock mag or whatever mag. You reload your Pitbull using that mag. Hold the cylinder open with your left hand, hold that spare loaded mag with your right hand and thumb the rounds into that cylinder.
You said it. It's not practical. We were able to rent one from our local shooting range. Great Gun accurate easy to control recoil. Moon Clips suck. I'll stick to the semi-auto thank you for my 10 mm kicks
I feel like the copious comparisons of energy and velocity create illusions in the non-shooting crowd, or those who shoot very little. Even from this comparison, and this is not a critique of the video, I agree 100% with the content, but someone's going to decide that 40S&W is more like 38 Special of the 40 bore world :) I watch lots of these videos to learn, and I've caught myself thinking (or rather "feeling", to be more accurate) that one caliber or another is "anemic", when in reality it continues to be very effective, without the need to eclipse something else. 38 Special is one such round. I've even heard buddy hunters talk this way of 308 Winchester, just because it's not like 30-06, 270 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor. We're talking about people who never shoot past 200 yards, probably not even 100. It's our psychology, everything starts seeming inadequate when compared to something else. In reality most of these things perform very well in their standard range, without the need to go to extremes. And when you do need "more", you go to that next/other caliber. Some people make it sound like you can't defend against bears without 500S&W. How did our ancestors cope? :) Enjoy your videos, Turkey.
The real problem with a 10mm Auto revolver is the size of handguns made available thus far. The S&W 610 and Ruger GP100 are chunks that make a great range gun but are not practical when compared to other options that weigh the same. If S&W would chamber a six shot "L frame" without an underlug barrel I would jump on it.
@@Rivercane22 Too heavy with that huge underlug barrel. The Model 69 is a perfect example of what I envision a 10mm revolver could be. The GP100 is just too chunky.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 I think that would work. Should be about the same size as a model 686 Plus. Six rounds of 10mm VS 7 rounds of .357 Mag should fit in nearly identical cylinders.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 Kinda like a .41 Mag "mountain gun", perhaps?... I have a 6" 686 with a full underlug barrel, and it suits it very well - but it is kinda big, lol (and weighs 45 ounces).
@@carlosmorris4510 Nah, the N frame is fine for chest or shoulder rigs in the wilderness but far too large for "EDC". Ruger could have had a winner a few years ago when they offered the limited edition GP100 in 10mm Auto but they got it wrong for my purposes. They supplied it with a five inch barrel, a square butt and blued finish. It ended up at over 40 ounces. The 10mm Auto, like the .357 Magnum, is first and foremost a combat round and should be chambered in a combat style revolver to be of maximum use.
Hmmmmm 🤔 interesting everybody's different it's true. Inside the box and those outside the box🤔 . Me the only 10mm I own is a revolver. And the only true reason I do is to test specifically 🐻 defense loads, and have some big test loads planned, if you seen my video. This month payday is slated to order custom bullet mold or two for said test. I must admit that there is one thing I do take specific issue with, however I have it as a video topic coming up. It's important to note that I'm all about versitality , that being said the first center fire revolver I ever shot was a colt 1917. Designed originally chambered for 45ACP. That seems like a century ago. My dad's however was chambered for 45 colt, that happened to except half 🌙 clips for ACP. Mountain man
In the 1950s S&W made the Model 25 in .45acp using Moon clips as a Bullseye Target revolver. I own one made in 1951 with a 6.5' barrel and it is an absolute tack driver. Funny story, I used my Model 25 two years ago for my CCL shooting qualification in Illinois. Had to shoot 60 rounds at a man size target. The instructor had to count all the rounds in everyones target. Mine had one ragged hole about the size of silver dollar. He said that must be 60 shots, laughing. I told him I brought the old .45 N frame to show off, since it is the most accurate gun I own. I do also have a S&W 24 in .44spl that is just as accurate as the S&W 25. All my Smiths are more accurate than me as a shooter. I love revolvers, especially Smiths over Colts and I own both. I prefer the older pinned barrel guns in Blue.
Man I found a winner in 10mm today.🫡 180 Grain Grizzly JHP, 1326 fps from the 3.8" XDmE, 1474 fps from the 8" Banshee, and 1580 fps from the 16.25" LC Carbine.💥💥💥
I agree, 357 are wheelgun, and 10 is semi auto
I apologize lol. I know we share a lot of subscribers. If people are giving you the most questions about a model 610, it's more than likely my fault. You have valid points, I mostly got mine because I was worried about getting even a single malfunction if I picked up a new 10mm pistol, which I would never hear the end of it how I "limp wrist". I can definitely see how someone would be like "you paid what? For THAT! - WHY??". I used to have that same model 629 with the half lug, I traded it in 12 years ago and I regret it.
Tons of people will fling a blanket over these decisions, time after time - based on their own personal circumstances - and everyone else should adhere to those & those only.
When it's really pretty nuanced and situational...and comes down to probabilities.
What are the odds? of:
1. an attack
2. being able to even draw
3. getting ANY hits
4. needing multiple hits - and being able to make them, quickly enough
5. needing to reload
6. having a malfunction
7. having time to clear a malfunction
8. others (one more caliber, availability, serviceability, etc, etc.)
The same guy could benefit sometimes to have his .44 mag revolver in a chest holster, or other times instead having a 10mm with 16 rds on his hip.
Being out by himself along the foggy, rocky coast standing over a partially broken-down elk and unable to see around the bend 20 yards away, isn't the same as being with 3 other armed defenders who all also have rifles and looking every direction all able to see 300 yards clearly.
I'd personally carry two; a revolver & semi-auto if I ever thought a grizzly attack is even somewhat possible. If extremely likely, I doubt I'd ever go it alone.
Gun Sam _Auto-loader Aficionado_ ....has a ring to it. Maybe a 2nd channel?
Man my two favorite YT'ers! Nice seeing you here Sam! Well GunBlue490 and HRFUNK too!
As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I said GunSam would need to chime in on this, lol.
@@GunSam I've seen your videos with your converted Glock 41 & I've seen enough problems with the 41 with factory 45acp ammo to know that gun wasn't a good choice from the beginning. I have a Glock 40 that doesn't have problems but it was made with a heavier slide specifically for 10mm. Those who understand that don't "diagnose" your 41's reliability issue because we know it's actually a design problem. I suggest not letting the comments get to you so much but I also get why you do.
Don't you hate it when people misinterpret what you say, then accuse you of gaslighting them or believe you're implying they're an emotional wreak? 🙄 It usually involves the .38 Special, specifically. 😏
I value your opinion, but I have multiple 10mm semi autos and the 610in 4.5 and 6 inch. I love the consistency of my 10mm covering both my semi and wheel gun without having multiple cartridges. I do have a 40S&W semi auto so this makes it nice to have the practice ammo for the wheel gun. I also like using the moon clips for quick reloads rather than the speed loaders. My preference and opinion.
Not confusing at all. Totally makes sense. Thank you for your opinion!!
357mag will always be the king of self defense revolvers. Also the Remington UMC 125gr SJHP 357mag is the way.
Yup the 125 sjhp has the highest one shot stop percentage! Over 90% I believe.
I wonder what Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ would have to say about this one. Great video!
😂 i love his channel but to me 10mm revolver is pointless.
It works for him 👍😊.
@chrisgabbert658 That's all that matters... But we all have our opinions...
Gun Sam is a doucebag, one of those "actually" know it all guys with limited information. Living in mommy's basement is gross
@@sparky_-mf2csIMO revolver people, usually, are the best people to share dialog with that rarely gets out of hand.
Revolver cartridges in revolvers and auto cartridges in autos is pretty good rule to follow.
Yeah, I agree. 9 mm revolvers rub some people the wrong way too.
I would just point out that Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt exist, which are cut for 45ACP moonclips. Or Blackhawk in 45 Colt combo with 45ACP cylinders. And they can take the spicy 45 Colt +P.
I was in grizz country 2 years ago off the denali highway in alaska.
Everyone had G 20 autos in camp. I had a 5" GP100 357 mag. with my own handload of a 160gr. Hardcast over 18gr. Of H110 .they all made sport of me saying the 357 was inadequate compared to their 10mm.
I pointed out that my 357 had more ft.lb. of energy than their 10's but they just gave me a hard time.
Hey, I, too, am a 10mm fan. I first became interested in the 10mm in the early 1980's. That is when the gun mags were writing about the Bren Ten. Produced by Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises. The company faced production problems and was short-lived. Jeff Cooper and Whit Collins were credited with developing the 10mm auto cartridge concept. I was hooked and wanted one but never got a glimpse of one.
The Colt Delta Elite came out in mid to late 80s, and i got my first 10mm a year after they came out. Yes, I still have it. Plus, another one, ot two....
I eventually saw a gun smith boring out 10mm auto chambers to a 10mm magnum length on revolvers, of course. I bought a Ruger GP 101 in 10mm, the match champion, and quickly made arrangements to have it bored out. The only company I know of that loaded ammo for the 10mm mag was Doubletap Ammunition. I see they still list it but I haven't seen it in stock in a log time.
Nowadays, when I see a review or article comparing the 10mm auto to the .357 magnum, I feel it's a little slighted. I agree, the 10mm magnum is difficult to find ammo for unless you reload. The last time I looked, Doubletap was still selling it. I have someballistic data from Doubletap's website plus some from an online ballistics chart. Just for fun, I compared data from the 10mm mag to like weight. 357 mag data. I'll run through this real quick. 10mm 135gr 1900 fps 1080 energy / 357 125gr 1500 and 625. 10mm 155gr 1400 and 683 / 357 158gr 1250 and 538. 10mm 180gr 1150 and 529 / 357 180gr 1400 and 783. 10mm 200gr hardcast 1450 and 933 / 357 200gr 1200 and 640. Both are bringing the heat for sure. I have both. I like both. Still, the 10mm is my favorite handgun cartridge. The .40 S&W, 10mm auto, and the 10mm magnum. I think a more fair comparison would be .40 vs 38 special / 10mm auto vs 38 special + P+ / 10mm mag va .357 mag. And as far as the .357 maximum, uncle already !!
I do enjoy your channel and your content. Plus, you keep it ad free, thx. I ended up getting a RugerLC Carbune in, of course, 10mm auto, lol. Ruger got part of the LC claim right, it is Compact, but I wouldn't call it Light. Later Turkey.
Well i got my S&W model 610 10.mm 5 inch barre in 1989 and i gor my Ruger GP 100 10.mm blue 5 inch barre in 2018 i love both of them, my S&W 610 stop a bore in 1995 i got jump by the bore why i was hiking it did a very good job stoping it and i reload the 40 S&W 10.mm 45 ACP / 45 LC,
I've always been on the fence about 10mm revolvers, for one I love the .40 and 10mm but to me, a revolver should also be chambered in a, you know, REVOLVER cartridge. That said, I do have a 4" S&W 610 that shoots very good and I like it despite my OCD complaining about it a little...semi auto cartridges in a revolver?? What are ya thinking?!!! Haahaaa.... I love the .357 Mag too, it and the 44 Mag (and 500 Mag) are without question some of my favorite cartridges of all time.
I own both the 357 & the 10mm. They are both the Ruger GP100 Match Champions! Outstanding revolvers!
I had Aria Ballistic Engineering chamber a Ruger GP100 for 10mm magnum. It's on par with the .41 mag and I can shoot 10mm and. 40S&W.
Outstanding idea. I've ordered from Aria multiple times.
As I have noted before...
Your channel deserves to be in the handful of best gun channels on U-tube! Thanks for another great video! You should try the Underwood .38 Special+P with ~150 grain SWC versus a section of 6x6 pressure treated pine like that used on Banana Ballistics out of an air-weight +P S&W snub-nosed revolver! Oh yeah, you might want to be ready for ~ the same level of recoil as a .357 Magnum out of that gun. I spoke with the people at Underwood and they essentially confirmed that they used the same
reasoning to choose the high muzzle energy lower pressure propellants as can be found in the Hodgdon Annual manuals (check highest ME versus lowest MAP for the various powders). Keep up the excellent work!
I shot a Ithaca 357 carbine lever action at some steel,slightly over 1/4”thick at 50 yards,with 158 grain buffalo bore. It blew right thru the metal plate. Then í compared from same distance and same target,hipoint 1095 10mm carbine,using 180grain buffalo bore. I’m sure I gained higher fps with the longer barrels.10mm didn’t penetrate metal plate,it wanted to,but didn’t. 357 mag still the king in my pistol calibers. Love my ruger GP100,but I still daily carry my G40 10mm instead. Great video,keep them rolling. Happy new year’s!
So i love your videos and I'm mostly going to agree would you, I do have a few comments. I may also be biased so bear that in mind. I own multiple s&w 357s, 627 v-comp, model 60, 342 pd ( ouch) and a 686. I also own (2) 610s 4" and 6.5" and a 310 nightguard. I handload both cartridges. I am not telling anyone to do this but a 10mm can be loaded significantly hotter than spec if running in a revolver. With blue dot in my 6.5 " 610 I can get 800 ft/lbs without blowing primers. You have to push 357 very hard to hit that also. I wouldn't run them in any semi-auto but you cannot physically put enough powder in a 10mm case to hurt a 610. Again I am not telling anyone to try it unless they really know what they are doing. The biggest reason I choose my 610 is accuracy. The 6.5" 610 is widely regarded for it's accuracy. I have never found another revolver that can match a 610s 100 yd group including my 460. None of my 357s come close and my 627 is a great gun. If you do some looking around you will find a lot of guys who love the 610 accuracy. Thanks for the great videos
The 10mm revolvers are only for people with 10mm and no revolvers
My friend has a 10mm G20 4.60" barrel & a Ruger 10mm GP100 4.25" when we put them through the chrono we got pretty much the same velocities with both guns & we were expecting the revolver to be slower because of the cylinder gap & shorter barrel but it wasn't. Very surprising results.
A 610 reamed to 10mm magnum is awesome! Moon clips are a huge plus over rimmed cartridges, quicker reloads and easier to police your brass.
Thought I over slept this morning and it was April 1st .. Turkey says 357 Mag over 10mm! Ohh, in revolvers. That's why you watch until the end. Happy New Year to all. U4
Actually the .38 S&W shouldn't chamber in a .357 handgun. The bullet is .004” larger and the case is larger in diameter. I would be shocked and amazed if it will fit into any .357 revolver.
Well, it does🤷♂️ I did it right before the video and have shot it multiple times. Look it up🦃👍👊
@ I did, that's why I posted. The projectile is several thousandths larger in diameter. I am 100% sure you are correct about it fitting in your gun, but several sources I've seen indicate that it is not a good idea to do it. Just trying to pass along some information, so that somebody else doesn't run into trouble. Gun tolerances can vary quite a bit.
@@Mbartel500I have a 357 mag and a 38 s&w and the 38 s&w definitely won’t fit in my Ruger gp 100…you are 100% right it won’t work
Just posted a video from Paul. Interesting topic. I was just speaking from personal experience. I will have to follow up. 👍👊🦃
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Moon clips and bullet creep are my main reasons not to own a 10mm revolver.
Do Not Shoot 38 S&W in any 357 Magnum or 38 Special revolver period! It has a .361 diameter bullet and a larger case as well. It is not interchangeable! The 38 Long Colt and 38 Short Colt will work just fine.
Was looking for this comment!
357 depending on the loading can be much more powerful ...
Amen to that! I get so tired of people talking about the ten mm as if is the sem-auto equivalent of a 41 or even 44 magnum. A properly loaded 357 will best the 10mm every time. Sometimes by as nuch as 200 ft/lbs. And it's not far behind in bullet diameter either. The 357 uses .357 snd .358 diameter bullets, in essence it a 36 magnum. The only advantage the 10 has capacity.
Yup talking almost 1500fps from a 158 grain bullet from a 4" barrel with buffalo bores loading.
And their 180 grain hard cast does 1375fps from a 4" barrel. Faster than their 10mm 180 grain loading from a 5" barrel.
You read my mind. I was having a long drawn-out conversation of this very topic with some guys I know who gun enthusiasts, but do not reload, and pretty much just shoot guns. I bring up reloading because generally, those who do seem to understand ballistics, pressures, and minimum/maximum capabilities better. I give this video 2 thumbs up!! I never got into 10mm, though it is a great cartridge. I have used handguns for hunting much of my life. The 357mag, 41mag 44mag, and 45LC have done well. I do not live in bear country so I do not need something for that. In semi-auto guns, I have 9mm, 45acp, and 22LR. I suppose it really comes down to what you want. If you like a wheel gun in 10mm, life is short, get one.
I also LOVE my 10mm's and the cartridge!!
I also do not feel its a candidate as a dedicated Revolver cartridge.
Buy a 41 Mag or as you point out, the 357 Mag is a good replacement.
I was very tempted in a "Wiley Capp" GP100 as well as the late great Jeff Quinn commemorative GP100 Revolvers.
I dont agree that the 357 Trumps 10mm but also as you point out its (both actually) are under loaded. The 10mm as diameter and weight advantage. A .400 bullet @ 1200+ isn't a thing in a 357 Mag revolver. A 180 and 1200 ish is 357 Mag preformance. Handloaded longer bbls might exceed that but the 10mm is doing that in a sub 6". The 357 would need 8"
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I'm a 40 fan, but never saw a use for the 10mm. Especially not in a revolver.
On a .357 revolver you can also shoot .38 super ammo (semi rimmed) which is more powerful than the .38 special or .38 special +p . And that is a fast ammo. I’ve heard that it doesn’t fit on some revolvers but I have Rugers , S&W, mahurin and korth and at least in the models I have I haven’t have any problems.
Also some 357 Mag revolvers, such as the new Pietta Triple King for example, have extra cylinders which can be easily switched in, chambered for 38 Super and 9mm Parabellum. This just adds to the 357 Mag platforms versatility even more.
I own that same gp 357. Been solid so far.
One other comment, I know I already made 3. I never understood the point but I saw a few of these at competitions. This and the 45 ACP one. The reasoning was that it’s faster to reload a moon clip than one with a speed loader. I’m sure people like Jerry would prove me wrong but that what they’d tell me when I’d ask why not a 357 mag and that was their answer, they liked the moon clips for speed reloads. 🤷♂️
I hear you. The only reason I have some 9mm revolvers is due to the cheaper price of 9mm for going to the range. If 10mm were priced like 9mm, then a 10 wheelie would make better sense.
If you have a 610 S&W, you can move up to the 10mm Magnum!! It’s near the 41mag. I just did this and it’s amazing. Just needed to lengthen the cylinder bored about a 1/4” and Starline has the brass in 10mm mag
Just something most people don't know about the the .357mag is actually 9mm so it is a whole mm smaller than the the 10mm and the .40s&w is 10mm. Not important but still nice to know.
There is one very serious issue with the use of 10mm ammo in a revolver, bullet creep. Automatic ammo is taped crimped which is fine for automatics. The lack of a good roll crimp as used in revolver ammo the bullets can creep out enough to alter ballistics and accuracy and can tie the cylinder, not good and especially happens with hard cast high performance ammo typically used for dangerous game. Having a gun jam up solid before you can empty the cylinder say into a big bear isn’t my idea of fun. If you want 10mm plus performance in a revolver find a .41 mag.
I have a 610 , the recoil even with underwood or Buffalo bore ammo is not enough to produce bullet creep. Gun weighs over 40 0z. Much more than my glock 10's
Need 10mm auto rim brass. I need another 610 to ream out to 10mm magnum also..
I have a Redhawk 45colt/45acp that's only had one cylinder of acp thru it to see if it worked. Yes it was fine & very low recoil but pointless for me. I bought it for 45colt. I agree, leave the auto rounds in autos & revolver rounds in revolvers.
The point of 45acp in Redhawk is more about less cost of factory ammo to keep it running vs the factory 45 Colt. Its just a way of keeping a 45 Redhawk running for less if you dont reload.
@aaronwilcox6417 since I have a Dillon 550 it's pointless for me.
What about a gun chambered in three fifty seven maximum. Could you shoot all those variety cartridges in your three fifty seven maximum revolver.
Yes.
Well, not the 10mm and .40 if that's what you are referring to
some people shoot 45acp & 9mm in revolvers. 38 s&w is wider than 38 special. i know desert eagle 357 magnum is expensive.
I own three 10mm revolvers and one dedicated .40 S&W revolver. The 610 can have the cylinder bored to fit 10mm Magnum cartridges while still being able to shoot the shorter 10 and 40. 40 ammunition is still cheaper than .38 Special. I do own two .357s and a .38, all are Colts. They're fine guns, but I can find .40 ammunition easier than I can find .38 right now. Moon clips are fine, they fit in some speed loader holders.
"You gotta keep'em separated" 🎶🙃
Have you tested 357 with copper slugs ?
.357 is, as far as I am concerned, the best pistol caliber ever invented.
One of the things I think about with revolvers using semi auto calibers, is the very possible crimp jump. The tapered crimp of an auto round is not as strong as the positive crimp into the cannelure of a revolver round, plus the recoil in a revolver is more complete without the slide/spring action of the auto soaking up a lot of it. I am not saying it WILL happen, but it CAN happen a lot easier than standard revolver loads. And if it does, your cylinder will not turn and you have a paper weight till you get it back to the shop and fix it.
I do not consider revolvers to have unquestioned reliability, but they are so perfect for rimmed cartridges.
It may be possible to fire a rimless round without the moon clip, but it’s possible to have been pushed forward, and the case stretched on firing, where revolvers are also so perfect for handloaders, unless the brass is damaged.
I’m tickled that it works for some people, but moon clip are just not for me, durn hard to find out in the field if dropped and far easier to damage than a mag. Too bad rimmed revolver cartridges seem to be fading out of favor, and getting pricey.
BUT, the revolver can be rechambered to 10mm Mag, and loaded by DoubleTap it is one Bad Baby.
Plus you can still shoot regular 10mm and 40 with moon clips.
No half moon clips for me. It's just something else to lose.
If you have the money for expensive novelties, or a giant pile of 10mm auto ammo, go for it!
I think we are in agreement. Or similarly.... "frugal".
How about 44 mag necked down to .40? Or .45 long colt down to .40? They have rims and are revolver ready. They make more sense to me than half moon clips and in between performance.
Mated with a nice lever gun, ,. Oooh buddy. Nice dreams.
I have the ruger Blackhawk convertible 10mm/40s&w which is not made anymore, what do you think of converting it to 10mm magnum also? I’ve thought about it
I was looking for the same pistol kit you have but settled on the Ruger SRH in 6.5". I had mine reamed out to 10mm Magnum and it puts the 10mm/.357 Mag to shame! If I were you, I would ream out the 40 S&W cylinder to 10mm Mag. Most gunsmiths only ream out Ruger SBH & SRH to 10mm Mag due to their heavy construction. I bought the Ruger GP100 10mm and NO gunsmith would ream it out because its not made to handle the pressure/recoil of the 10mm magnum.
@ yeah, I wish it wasnt such a wild cat round and more recognized as say 41 mag
@ let me guess, arrow precision converted yours?
@@DR676767 No, Mike Ryan Gunsmith in Rogersville, TN.
Not really sure why people get so attached to a name that they want to force it to work in platforms it's not designed for. Semi-autos have certain advantages over revolvers, one of them is NOT bullet versatility. They can only be so big because they have to fit into a mag and that mag can only be so big because it has to fit in your grip. No reason to add that limitation to a revolver that already has limitations of its own.
I may have the wrong information, but dont modern smith revolvers have to HAVE moon clips to head space/function correctly? Unlike the old 1917 which used moon clips and the case mouth to head space. Can the 610 fire reliably without moon clips?
I have 3 factory loaded 10mm rounds that hit over 900 ft lbs of energy out of a 6" barrel.
All good reasons. To each his own, I say.👍
First of all I have nothing against the 10 mm. It's a great cartridge. A lot of people probably won't agree with this but, .357" diameter bullets have better sectional density than .400" diameter. Will probably penetrate better than .400" bullets. A .357" 158 gr. has .177 sc, and a .400" 200gr. has .179 sc. I know a lot of people like big bullet diameter, so whatever floats your boat.
I can’t even find any 38 long colt.
I like a 10mm revolver over a .357 because .357 has too much recoil for me; even out of an L-Frame. 10mm is not bad at all.
I would never buy a 10mm revolver either, the whole appeal with 10mm is that you get near 357 performance but with a higher capacity, if you want a revolver take advantage of the power and get a 44 mag or something more powerful.
Most 10mm fanboys think their lil 10mm pistols will vaporize a grizzly or anything bigger when semi auto calibers are not suitable for grizzly defense. For that you need 44mag, minimum.
My own view is that you are missing out. For the reasons of ammo cost, logistics, versatility, shootability and recoil.
Ammo cost: in my state online ordering is illegal. There is an effective 20% tax on all gun and ammo purchases. Thus the only way to keep shooting is through reloading. Even during shortages I can occasionally get large pistol primers, forget the small pistol primers. So keeping my brass is a no brainer. Win for the revolver. [Even with the Graco Brass Catcher I loose lots of brass].
Logistics: even the most expensive of the four moon clip providers for the 610: TK Customs at $8 a moon clip, is far cheaper than even a Glock 20 Mag. Let alone proprietary Sig, or Springfield or Smith mags. Magazines like moon clips are a consumable item. They will wear out, faster the more you shoot. Magazine lips spread, the tube cracks, etc. Besides TK Custom there is Smith of course, Ranch Products, and EZ Moonclips "RIMZ" which are polymer and very sturdy. Both Safariland and Simply Rugged make great moonclip / speedloader holders. They don't scream gun to most people.
Versatility: Unlike a 1911 (must balance recoil spring, firing pin spring, main hammer spring, and firing pin stop flat or round) or a Glock (must change recoil spring strengths) when you go from mild to wild, a revolver just works. You can carry mild self defense loads with hollow points, or more robust hard cast loads for animal defense, without lengthy and costly futzing around to determine the exact balance of set up that will run with that ammo.
Shootability: Semi autos are great on the one way flat range. As Daryll Bolke (well known trainer, Colt had him roll out the new Python Blued models for selected shooters) notes, police body cams are filled with video of shooter induced malfunctions which tracks with the late Paul Harrell's view that shooter induced malfunctions are much more common in auto loaders under stress. A 10mm revolver will function if held loosely, upside down, sideways, not an issue even if you slip on wet ground. The same can not be said for Autos in any caliber.
Gun Sam Revolver who I see posted here, has long noted that there is a big gap in revolver calibers. From the .357 you go to the rare and seldom seen .41 magnum, which is great but has nearly the recoil of the .44 magnum, to the latter. There is no in-between caliber of about .40 with a 200 grain bullet doing 1200 feet or so from the muzzle. But the 10mm will do that all day, very very comfortably in the N Frame 610, whereas that same frame in .44 Magnum is uncomfortable to shoot to the point where R. Lee Ermey declined to shoot a second cylinder in "Mail Call." And that is the biggest selling point -- that big N Frame is very easy to shoot with 10mm.
Obviously, your situation is different from mine but I think you would change your mind if you shot the 610 for a while.
Rimless Cartridges in a Revolver Just Suck!... The ENTIRE REASON the Daggone 10mm is Rimless is so it'll work in a Semi Automatic Platform!... The Hell with Screwing Around with Moon Clips!... They're nothing but a Big Pain In The Rear End!.... I'm sure that you are aware that Moon Clips came about out of Necessity during WW2 so that .45 Auto Cartridges could be Shot in The .45 Colt S&W and Colt Revolvers... That cut out a lot of Supply Chain Issues and Confusion... If I needed a Big, Powerful Semi Auto, I'd go right out and get a Glock 20 in 10mm... Definitely Not a Revolver in 10mm.... That would be a Very Poor Decision in my opinion...
GREAT VIDEO!...
If you are on the fence about a 10MM revolver do not listen to this TURKEY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seriously they both 357Mag and 10MM has their place I believe in revolvers. The 357Mag will usually penetrate deeper and the 10MM will cut a wider wound channel. I believe that moonclips load quicker than the speed loader you displayed. Good video as usual.
I had a 9 mm revolver with moon clips. Got rid of it after a year. Ended up getting another 9 mm semi. Personally I simply love a 357 revolver as well as the 44 mag. When I do decide to get a 10 mm it will definitely be a semi auto.
@@tonyrebel63 awesome go for it keep that 10MM alive. Both are a joy.
10mm revolvers are awesome! I have a 4.2" Ruger GP100 and 6.5" Ruger SRH in 10mm and get amazing velocity/accuracy with my reloads. I had the SRH reamed out to 10mm Magnum for $200 and easily get 200gr bullets @1650-1700fps.
A large concern;with a 10MM revolver,is BULLET CREEP!! Semi-auto type cartridges;are prone to that effect,given they're TAPER CRIMPED;not ROLL CRIMPED!! Often semi type cartridges will JAM a revolver,due that condition. The 10MM will ASSUREDLY do so,in it's proper loading! .40S/W is about the max intensity,to use ,RELIABILY in revolvers! Just a friendly heads up!
recoil in 10mm underwood 220 grain feels like 👍 40 s&w . Plus alot cheaper in 40 s&w and 10mm then 357 magnum
Isn’t there a revolver that can shoot .45acp? I thought I saw that somewhere.
Colt 1917, S&W 25 and may be a few others. These are all old guns and I don't think anything newer is made, other than maybe Charter Arms. I have a old S&W Model 25 Target in .45acp and it is a tack driver.
10mm revolvers IMHO are pointless😂. Defeats the purpose having more capacity than 357...from crimp jump to moonclips to bullet profiles...10mm ina a revolver is a nogo for me
Unless you got a convertible like mine that don’t use moon clips and you got a ton of 40s&w laying around, I like mine
@DR676767 im sure id like it too just because its a firearm alone 😂 not to mention a revolver...but from my point of view its pointless. Just get the 357 mag...use your 40 and 10 ammo in a semi auto. im sure you can get conversion barrels to use one gun for both
@ I personally prefer heavier fatter bullets over velocity, personal preference
@DR676767 if thats the case id get a 45LC not a 10mm
10mm and 357mag are neck and neck across the board on power factors. The hottest loaded of each from companies like Underwood and Buffalo Bore produce identical ft lbs of energy for both. Yes, the draw for 10mm is that power factor out of a high capacity semi auto definitely agreed on that
Heavy 10mm Ammo - 180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.)
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Better check again.
BUFFALO BORE HEAVY 357 MAG
180 gr. JHP (1,500fps/M.E. 899 ft. lbs.)
You might get away with shooting .38 Super ACP out of a .357 too although it's very ammo/gun fussy in that department and it won't work in all guns .
Turkey, check out John Taffin's article on the 10mm Magnum. That might might pique your interest!
I always thought that 38s&w was a .38 bullet not a .357
Any of my 357’s will not chamber a 38 s+w cartridge
10mm isnt weaker or stronger than 357.
disreguard the velocities and look at the max case volume and max pressure for each.
10mm has 10% less case capacity but 10% more max pressure than a 357 mag
they are ballistically a wash. so no a 357 is not more powerful but 10mm is generally loaded weak
Why I won't buy a 9mm revolver..even though I'm a 9mm guy.
1. Bullet creep or sometimes call Bullet jumping. There's a chance that the other bullets might jump a little forward when shooting. That will be dangerous. Semi auto cartridges design are not like like revolver cartridges. If you're re-loader you'll know what I mean and will see the difference between a semi auto and a revolver bullet.
2. Moon clips. They will bent, get damaged and you have to be more careful with them. They are also a pain in the ass to load and strip the rounds off. Again if you're not careful you might damage or bend that moon clip and if you want to avoid or reduce the damage you kind of have to consider getting another tool device.
3. The point of a semi auto pistol is to have more rounds than a revolver. If you want to carry a small gun? Wouldn't make sense to carry a 38 special or a compact pistol like Shield? If you want a big revolver...well wouldn't it make sense to stick with .357 mag or something?
I know I know..There's that Pitbull 9mm revolver that doesn't need moon clip to reload. You carry a spare magazine like a Glock mag or whatever mag. You reload your Pitbull using that mag. Hold the cylinder open with your left hand, hold that spare loaded mag with your right hand and thumb the rounds into that cylinder.
*Gets 357 Coonan so you have a 357 Magnum 1911.
You said it. It's not practical. We were able to rent one from our local shooting range. Great Gun accurate easy to control recoil. Moon Clips suck. I'll stick to the semi-auto thank you for my 10 mm kicks
Do you have a .41 rem mag?
41 mag is way more powerful than a 10mm. But 41 mag isn't always easy to find.
You cannot shoot 38 S&W in a 357 or 38 Special revolver. It's too large to chamber.
Well then you should check out the video we just put out.🤷♂️
I would consider it if it were in a Blackhawk.
I feel like the copious comparisons of energy and velocity create illusions in the non-shooting crowd, or those who shoot very little. Even from this comparison, and this is not a critique of the video, I agree 100% with the content, but someone's going to decide that 40S&W is more like 38 Special of the 40 bore world :)
I watch lots of these videos to learn, and I've caught myself thinking (or rather "feeling", to be more accurate) that one caliber or another is "anemic", when in reality it continues to be very effective, without the need to eclipse something else. 38 Special is one such round. I've even heard buddy hunters talk this way of 308 Winchester, just because it's not like 30-06, 270 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor. We're talking about people who never shoot past 200 yards, probably not even 100. It's our psychology, everything starts seeming inadequate when compared to something else.
In reality most of these things perform very well in their standard range, without the need to go to extremes. And when you do need "more", you go to that next/other caliber.
Some people make it sound like you can't defend against bears without 500S&W. How did our ancestors cope? :) Enjoy your videos, Turkey.
The real problem with a 10mm Auto revolver is the size of handguns made available thus far. The S&W 610 and Ruger GP100 are chunks that make a great range gun but are not practical when compared to other options that weigh the same. If S&W would chamber a six shot "L frame" without an underlug barrel I would jump on it.
The GP100 is about the same size as an L-Frame.
@@Rivercane22 Too heavy with that huge underlug barrel. The Model 69 is a perfect example of what I envision a 10mm revolver could be. The GP100 is just too chunky.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 I think that would work. Should be about the same size as a model 686 Plus. Six rounds of 10mm VS 7 rounds of .357 Mag should fit in nearly identical cylinders.
@@hillbillyscholar8126 Kinda like a .41 Mag "mountain gun", perhaps?... I have a 6" 686 with a full underlug barrel, and it suits it very well - but it is kinda big, lol (and weighs 45 ounces).
@@carlosmorris4510 Nah, the N frame is fine for chest or shoulder rigs in the wilderness but far too large for "EDC". Ruger could have had a winner a few years ago when they offered the limited edition GP100 in 10mm Auto but they got it wrong for my purposes. They supplied it with a five inch barrel, a square butt and blued finish. It ended up at over 40 ounces. The 10mm Auto, like the .357 Magnum, is first and foremost a combat round and should be chambered in a combat style revolver to be of maximum use.
Did you get that 629 on that deal? Dang you…
Hmmmmm 🤔 interesting everybody's different it's true. Inside the box and those outside the box🤔 . Me the only 10mm I own is a revolver. And the only true reason I do is to test specifically 🐻 defense loads, and have some big test loads planned, if you seen my video. This month payday is slated to order custom bullet mold or two for said test. I must admit that there is one thing I do take specific issue with, however I have it as a video topic coming up. It's important to note that I'm all about versitality , that being said the first center fire revolver I ever shot was a colt 1917. Designed originally chambered for 45ACP. That seems like a century ago. My dad's however was chambered for 45 colt, that happened to except half 🌙 clips for ACP.
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In the 1950s S&W made the Model 25 in .45acp using Moon clips as a Bullseye Target revolver. I own one made in 1951 with a 6.5' barrel and it is an absolute tack driver. Funny story, I used my Model 25 two years ago for my CCL shooting qualification in Illinois. Had to shoot 60 rounds at a man size target. The instructor had to count all the rounds in everyones target. Mine had one ragged hole about the size of silver dollar. He said that must be 60 shots, laughing. I told him I brought the old .45 N frame to show off, since it is the most accurate gun I own. I do also have a S&W 24 in .44spl that is just as accurate as the S&W 25. All my Smiths are more accurate than me as a shooter. I love revolvers, especially Smiths over Colts and I own both. I prefer the older pinned barrel guns in Blue.
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10mm was never meant to be revolver cartridge.
M1917 sniffs in disdain.
An interest in 10mm Magnum is the biggest reason for getting a 10mm revolver. Can also use 30-30 family brass for a rimmed version.
Old beliefs you are missing out
I thought 38 S&W was a heeled bullet that was too big to chamber in 357 magnum?
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A 10mm revolver is just a gay as a 9mm revolver
They should just stop making 10mms altogether
Maybe just make them illegal
Like a Saturday night special
The simple reality that 357 is the best revolver cartridge and 10mm is the best semi auto pistol cartridge.
Man I found a winner in 10mm today.🫡
180 Grain Grizzly JHP, 1326 fps from the 3.8" XDmE, 1474 fps from the 8" Banshee, and 1580 fps from the 16.25" LC Carbine.💥💥💥
10mm in a wheel gun is some kind of sacrilege...