Big shout out to Don Veinot of Midwest Christian Outreach & EMNR! Also, another shout out to Dr. Don Williams, Professor emeritus of Taccoa Falls College and a former president of ISCA! Thank God they are still making inroads into the culture.
@DrBillRoach I wish you could have given more specific examples. Like clips showing what they've said to show these scholars obsessed with the latest trendy ideas. Could you show us the difference ? Yeah you have to name names but I'm honestly curious .... what scholars do you believe are doing anything in order to get a "place at the table?" I feel I can through the Holy Spirit discern this for myself so I'd be very interested to see who is doing this so I can see it and be aware.
Like I listen to Voddie Vauchum ....Ken Hamm , and the others associated with him, .... James White.... along those lines. And yes my thoughts exactly about these speakers , pastors, who also have a local church.... they are rarely even there. And I don't think they should do both. Steve Lawson, perfect example.
I think that the genuine heart of apologetics has sort of gone underground, to an extent. Lay people seem to be the ones who are holding on to biblically sound apologetics, seeking sound teaching, and proper discipleship. I think that the world of celebrity apologists forgets that apologetics is a tool for belief and discipleship. Lay people are grasping this concept. Those that care are invested in serving and edifying the church, not weakening, and tearing it down.
Apologists have forgotten the true purpose of apologetics. It isn't to make yourself sound more intelligent to those who listen to you. It's to find ways to explain the gospel in a simple way for those who have not heard it before. Ask most people how they became a Christian. And most will say they were invited to a church and felt moved by the sermon. Some will say they went to church and were moved by the music. Some will say that they began to read a Bible. Some will say that they were going through a rough time and broke down before God and sought his help. Apologetics often timea sounds lifeless and lacks emotion. Like giving a lecture in a math class. We have turned Christianity into formulas and doctrines, and removed the power of the holy Spirit. The preaching of the gospel must involve not only conveying knowledge, but also stirring up the emotions of the heart.
@nerychristian The Holy Spirit used apologetics to draw me out of what Christians call 'New Age' beliefs & false teachings in Word of Faith and the New Apostolic Reformation. Much of what I had gauged my spirituality by was based on experience that was emotionally driven and charged. The Lord knows how best to draw each person and for me it wasn't necessarily going to be through contrived or unGodly experiences. The Lord did in fact use lectures to get my attention. However, my husband came to the faith via an experience and later became interested in apologetics. So there is a place for both a God honoring emotional approach to the faith and a God honoring apologetic approach to the faith. Both can be rich in the knowledge of the Lord depending on our approach and our heart. There really needs to be a better balance between the two in the celebrity apologist world. However, I do think that lay people have a better grasp on this concept or practice, more so then folks who are waving their PhDs in apologetics.
I think this may be due to the fact that a lot of what is now called apologetics is very much into philosophical apologetics. Unfortunately, many of the apologists these days have watered down their responses to make sure they are more measured. This often results in the view of those who do not understand this approach that the provided those answers do not offer any confidence in the answers provided. I wish more people would be like Norman Geisler, where you had a great deal of confidence in straight talking and clear answers.
I wouldn't say it's died but people are becoming more specialized with what they are addressing as threats and that results in niche groups forming which lack the broad appeal a "movement" needs to sustain itself.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
This is an interesting video. I appreciate your perspective. I have always enjoyed studying the different methods of Apologetics. Do you have a perspective on the infighting between different apologists and how that has affected the realm of Christian Apologetics? Specifically, I believe the point in time when I thought that Apologetics was damaged was when Brannon Howse and Sam Shamoun began attacking Dr. James White very, very publically over his discussion of Islam with Yasir Qadhi. Since that period of time the amount of people attacking each other is almost overwhelming. If you have stood back and watched we have seen seemingly everyone from David Woods attacking James White to the fellow on TH-cam by the handle of ServusChristi attacking everyone solid to Julie Roys constantly attacking Dr. John MacArthur. And, everyone in-between these. What are your thoughts on this? PS: I don't remember you discussing this point. I am sorry if you covered it. I watched the video when it first came out...
Apologists and apologetics ministries will draw conflict by their very nature. Some of the conflict is warranted and others not. Some of the means are righteous and others are not. I stand with James White and John MacArthur.
I also think the physical sciences are still highly relevant in the 21st century. I think Genesis is hugely important. Great work being done on that right now by in archeology (Steven Collins), geology (Tim Clarey and Andrew Snelling), biology (Robert Carter and Nathaniel Jeanson) and others. I’m getting ready to publish a book showing that all of Asia and the Pacific have traditions of the global Flood. You're absolutely right: we need to publish new stuff and not just be recycling.
My favorite apologetics ministry is Boo-Ray's Better Believe! They specialize in debates while rasslin' (wrestling) alligators. There are no atheists in foxholes or in the mouth of a gator!
What qualifications for a pastor do these people lack? Do you have any examples? I don't follow any of these people. This is one of the reasons I appreciate your videos.
@@paramountcleanedfloorsandm1299 it varies depending on the person. I don’t want to publicly give examples. I’ll just say read the relevant passages and keep your eyes open as you listen to these figures.
Lydia McGrew is excellent. Much better alternative to Licona. In 2024, I think Christians and non-Christians both are so thoroughly postmodernized that truth claims don't matter so much anymore. It's all about picking the worldview that makes you feel good. Which makes me think New Atheism was kind of the wrong enemy for evangelicals in the '90s and early 2000s. Dawkins at least believes in objective truth. The much bigger problem is the people who believe truth is socially constructed.
I’m sorry I just don’t agree that everybody was doing apologetics so obviously I can’t agree that people quit doing apologetics. It still isn’t being taught in many churches.
You shouldn't call him "Dr" James White is he is ThD is not legitimate. Degrees don't qualify anyone, but claiming he has one is a disrespect to all the PhD's and ThD's who worked hard to get theirs, not to mention further qualifications than a habilitationsschrift
apologetics is not a biblical practice and it should go away. apologists give men facts and arguments in substitute for the gospel. geisler operated on atheistic premises: christianity is only true because i can prove that it's true not because God chose me, saved me, or loves me.
Good point about the virtues from which the apologetics movement was birthed.
Pray that i will be supported in starting an apolgetics class at my church
Big shout out to Don Veinot of Midwest Christian Outreach & EMNR! Also, another shout out to Dr. Don Williams, Professor emeritus of Taccoa Falls College and a former president of ISCA! Thank God they are still making inroads into the culture.
@@jameslopez2156 they are great guys! True warriors
My favorite is the Answers in Genesis channel... Ken Hamm is great. 😊
@DrBillRoach I wish you could have given more specific examples. Like clips showing what they've said to show these scholars obsessed with the latest trendy ideas. Could you show us the difference ? Yeah you have to name names but I'm honestly curious .... what scholars do you believe are doing anything in order to get a "place at the table?" I feel I can through the Holy Spirit discern this for myself so I'd be very interested to see who is doing this so I can see it and be aware.
Like I listen to Voddie Vauchum ....Ken Hamm , and the others associated with him, .... James White.... along those lines.
And yes my thoughts exactly about these speakers , pastors, who also have a local church.... they are rarely even there. And I don't think they should do both. Steve Lawson, perfect example.
Oh okay LoL you did name an example, James White, so yes Good I can see that definitely
@@CarrieLaffsWas Lawson rarely at church?
(Asking because I don't know)
@Tim.Foster123 from what I've heard .. yes
I think that the genuine heart of apologetics has sort of gone underground, to an extent. Lay people seem to be the ones who are holding on to biblically sound apologetics, seeking sound teaching, and proper discipleship. I think that the world of celebrity apologists forgets that apologetics is a tool for belief and discipleship. Lay people are grasping this concept. Those that care are invested in serving and edifying the church, not weakening, and tearing it down.
@@CaffeinatedChrista great observations!
Apologists have forgotten the true purpose of apologetics. It isn't to make yourself sound more intelligent to those who listen to you. It's to find ways to explain the gospel in a simple way for those who have not heard it before. Ask most people how they became a Christian. And most will say they were invited to a church and felt moved by the sermon. Some will say they went to church and were moved by the music. Some will say that they began to read a Bible. Some will say that they were going through a rough time and broke down before God and sought his help. Apologetics often timea sounds lifeless and lacks emotion. Like giving a lecture in a math class. We have turned Christianity into formulas and doctrines, and removed the power of the holy Spirit. The preaching of the gospel must involve not only conveying knowledge, but also stirring up the emotions of the heart.
@nerychristian The Holy Spirit used apologetics to draw me out of what Christians call 'New Age' beliefs & false teachings in Word of Faith and the New Apostolic Reformation. Much of what I had gauged my spirituality by was based on experience that was emotionally driven and charged. The Lord knows how best to draw each person and for me it wasn't necessarily going to be through contrived or unGodly experiences. The Lord did in fact use lectures to get my attention. However, my husband came to the faith via an experience and later became interested in apologetics. So there is a place for both a God honoring emotional approach to the faith and a God honoring apologetic approach to the faith. Both can be rich in the knowledge of the Lord depending on our approach and our heart. There really needs to be a better balance between the two in the celebrity apologist world. However, I do think that lay people have a better grasp on this concept or practice, more so then folks who are waving their PhDs in apologetics.
Ken Hamm , Answers in Genesis , also does great work ...
Very interesting and well-done. Thanks for addressing. And keep fighting for biblical inerrancy. You are Sproul and Geisler now.
19:00 "less influence" is difficult to judge. Conference attendance isn't a bad metric, but "influence" is super hard to measure.
26:00 great point! Status is more important to us than sex. :)
I think this may be due to the fact that a lot of what is now called apologetics is very much into philosophical apologetics. Unfortunately, many of the apologists these days have watered down their responses to make sure they are more measured. This often results in the view of those who do not understand this approach that the provided those answers do not offer any confidence in the answers provided. I wish more people would be like Norman Geisler, where you had a great deal of confidence in straight talking and clear answers.
Amen! Very important topics raised!
@@vladimirsylenok789 thanks!
I wouldn't say it's died but people are becoming more specialized with what they are addressing as threats and that results in niche groups forming which lack the broad appeal a "movement" needs to sustain itself.
22:30, the culture has changed. "Recession of modernity" or "counter-enlightenment" which is how JBP frames it.
14:30 technological enabling and disruption
23:30 in other words corruption and the problem of the derivative.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
I wonder what the effect on apologetics in moving into Aaron Renn's negative world.
@@Bob-be2pj good question. I’ve thought about addressing it for quite some time but I just haven’t gotten around to it
BTW Bethel McGrew sent me. I listen to her. :)
This is an interesting video. I appreciate your perspective. I have always enjoyed studying the different methods of Apologetics. Do you have a perspective on the infighting between different apologists and how that has affected the realm of Christian Apologetics? Specifically, I believe the point in time when I thought that Apologetics was damaged was when Brannon Howse and Sam Shamoun began attacking Dr. James White very, very publically over his discussion of Islam with Yasir Qadhi. Since that period of time the amount of people attacking each other is almost overwhelming. If you have stood back and watched we have seen seemingly everyone from David Woods attacking James White to the fellow on TH-cam by the handle of ServusChristi attacking everyone solid to Julie Roys constantly attacking Dr. John MacArthur. And, everyone in-between these.
What are your thoughts on this?
PS: I don't remember you discussing this point. I am sorry if you covered it. I watched the video when it first came out...
Apologists and apologetics ministries will draw conflict by their very nature. Some of the conflict is warranted and others not. Some of the means are righteous and others are not. I stand with James White and John MacArthur.
@@DrBillRoach Of course, and I would agree with you. Take care.
Thank you for not saying "Like and Subscribe". :))))
I also think the physical sciences are still highly relevant in the 21st century. I think Genesis is hugely important. Great work being done on that right now by in archeology (Steven Collins), geology (Tim Clarey and Andrew Snelling), biology (Robert Carter and Nathaniel Jeanson) and others. I’m getting ready to publish a book showing that all of Asia and the Pacific have traditions of the global Flood. You're absolutely right: we need to publish new stuff and not just be recycling.
Ken Hamm Answers in Genesis... they have scientists of all kinds also 😊
My favorite apologetics ministry is Boo-Ray's Better Believe! They specialize in debates while rasslin' (wrestling) alligators. There are no atheists in foxholes or in the mouth of a gator!
That apologetics ministry will never die. Well, unless Booray loses a wrestling match with an alligator!!!
What qualifications for a pastor do these people lack? Do you have any examples? I don't follow any of these people. This is one of the reasons I appreciate your videos.
@@paramountcleanedfloorsandm1299 it varies depending on the person. I don’t want to publicly give examples. I’ll just say read the relevant passages and keep your eyes open as you listen to these figures.
Misspelled “apologetics” in thumbnail
@@michaelx5070 haha… I’ll fix that! Thanks!
13:00 decadence
Lydia McGrew is excellent. Much better alternative to Licona.
In 2024, I think Christians and non-Christians both are so thoroughly postmodernized that truth claims don't matter so much anymore. It's all about picking the worldview that makes you feel good. Which makes me think New Atheism was kind of the wrong enemy for evangelicals in the '90s and early 2000s. Dawkins at least believes in objective truth. The much bigger problem is the people who believe truth is socially constructed.
Lydia does a great job. She is excellent in every sense of the term.
Licona is the key example of what I warn about.
I’m sorry I just don’t agree that everybody was doing apologetics so obviously I can’t agree that people quit doing apologetics. It still isn’t being taught in many churches.
One reason is a fear of christians confronting false teaching especialy DEI/Woke doctrine. Confronting other over fasle teachering is painful.
@@tanks1945 very true
20:00 the rise of the auto-didacts.
Bill, dude……… too many ads.
You shouldn't call him "Dr" James White is he is ThD is not legitimate. Degrees don't qualify anyone, but claiming he has one is a disrespect to all the PhD's and ThD's who worked hard to get theirs, not to mention further qualifications than a habilitationsschrift
apologetics is not a biblical practice and it should go away. apologists give men facts and arguments in substitute for the gospel. geisler operated on atheistic premises: christianity is only true because i can prove that it's true not because God chose me, saved me, or loves me.