@@PeaceManBro *July 2020 with Corona Virus, Swine Flu 2.0, political chaos, social upheavals and riots, economic collapse and increase in global tensions with countries having boarder spats* "I'm gonna ruin everyones whole career!!!"
@@Tuberuser187 Yeah you can make anything seem worse than it is, its still not that bad, Id rather live in this recession than the one a hundred years ago.
@@PeaceManBro I never made anything worse than it it is, there was no editorial effort from me to exaggerate or amplify the issues. I just listed some, not even all of the more serious issues going on right now. I missed things out even, I do agree I would rather live through this economic crisis than the Great depression though.
Not to make light of your content, I like it, but my favorite moment was the enhanced audio of the sound your sling made as you braced it off to shoot from bended knee
I really liked the video. 1 thing i think is funny how most AR folks preach BUIS on all rifles but when it comes to practical bolt guns hardly anyone wants them. I think the likelihood of damaging a scope or losing zero while hiking, hunting or scouting is far more likely than a optic going down during a gun fight for 99% of us. I think BUIS have a place on all rifles. Modern optics while very good, reliable and robust can and do still fail sometimes. I realize irons can too but definitely not as often. I also think people don't like to take the time to learn to be efficient and quick with irons and that is why they gravitate to red dots. At the end of the day this is just one persons opinion and people should use what works for them. Long live iron sights!!!!
I learned to shoot over irons, and I've never really made friends with scope shooting. I can never seem to get a good picture with a scope unless I'm so close that it smacks me in the eye pro, (And sometimes even then the picture is sub par.) After shooting old mil surps like Swiss K31s that will go sub-MOA at 300 yards with irons, I'm mystified why more modern rifles don't come with good, usable iron sights.
I agree it's annoying how few rifles come with irons these days. Ruger Gunsite Scout, Savage Hog Hunter, CZ 527 (and other CZs) are good. Zastava makes Mauser clones and others that are good especially for price. Mossberg Patriot, Winchester M70, and Ruger M77 are good options if you want 30-06 or larger but I prefer .308 at the biggest personally. There's always single shots and lever guns (Henry, Marlin, etc). I'd like to get a straight-walled cartridge model of Henry's Single Shot but I haven't been able to find one yet.
i shot ars and bolt guns in a competition style manner, i just feel more confident with a bolt rather than an ar. i would trust a bolt gun for getting an effective first shot off.
My dad has been hunting with iron sights on his pump 7600 rem in 308. He said (and I believe him) he has never missed a deer. Most of his shots were under 50 yards (some out to 100). I remember my second year out with him we were stalking through some brush. Came out to a small clearing and jumped a buck. Watched my dad drop a buck in it's track running full speed from 40 yards. That is a shot that require iron sights or something similar.
@@LuckyGunner why not run a 45 degree mount for the Red Dot? so you won't need to remove your scope and have a red dot back up. what if dirt got on your main scope and you just needed to clean it but are in battle, you don't have time to remove it and install a red dot, but with 45 degree mount you have a red dot.. then after engagement you can clean the scope and keep a reliable zero.
I've never cared for bolt-action rifles; being a southpaw all milsurps and most commercial rifles are backwards for me. That said, I totally agree with you on lever and pump rifles.
The lever action is superior to the bolt action rifle under the practical rifle guidelines presented. You can mount optics and scopes on lever action and they have cartridges effective in that close to 400 yard. Lever come even in 6.5 creedmoor if you want more range, and got artillery shells like 45 70. The lever action is much faster cycle mechanism than the bolt, if you are good you can almost get firing rates close to semi-auto rifles. And also the lever has side loading capabilities like a shotgun and dont require magazines. The bolt action rifle will always be what it was designed for a long range precision sniper rifle. This is the area the bolt action rifle excels at the most than any other rifle in existence.
I have a Tikka T3 Battue that is my pseudo scout rifle. The scope is mounted over the receiver, since you can't top or clip load a Tikka. The rear sight is mounted on the barrel, and the open sights are very useable and accurate. The 3 and 5 round box magazines carry easily and are quick to change. It'll do.
Such a high quality production. Really amazing intro footage. I've watched some of your videos now, and this may be my new favorite gun-related channel. You've earned my subscribtion, thats for sure.
Man I would love to try this drill. Don't have a bolt rifle or anywhere to do this drill, but it something to look forward to if I get a house with property!
Great video, and I like the points on the dot vs backup sights. Cooper was very smart, but you also have to look at the context of his times. He died in 2006, but likely had most of his adventures that formed his opinions mainly in the 1940's-1960's. At that point of course reliable, reliable, tough, long battery life red dots did not really exist, and the top end scopes were not as good as something you would buy at Walmart for $40 these days.
I enjoy a few youtube gun guys. But I don't believe anyone combines the knowledge and preparation this young man does. No wasted time. All logic and well planned. It makes viewing very enjoyable and informative.
+ACE Tactical A handgun or shotgun would be a far better choice for a dedicated home defense gun. I'd only rely on a bolt action if I had no other choice.
For a Canadian practical rifle I've done the following build: Remington 7600, 18.6" barrel .308, threaded to 1/2" x 28 with a drilled out Vortex flash hider. I know that the pump is inferior for prone shooting but in Canada, with it's ever more onerous gun laws, there is a certain practicality in a generalist pump rifle. I've kept the OEM irons and zeroed them at 25 yards and run a Primary Arms 1-8X SFP illuminated scope with a .308 ACSS reticle in low Leupold QD rings zeroed at 100 yards. Sling is a Browning Xcellerator two point attached to a barrel band at the front and the OEM stud at the rear. I'm running a Mambamag 10 round magazine plus a bunch of Remington 4 rounders. All feed fine. I've shimmed and screwed on a picatinny rail on the left side of the forend for an Olight white/IR light and will probably do the same on the right side for an IR laser.
Wow, very well done video! Topic is really on target but also kudos for the video technical aspects. You hit two points that I think a lot of people overlook - one, that "scout rifle" is so narrowly defined that things like a dot sight backup are overlooked, and more importantly the topic of SKILLS. You can buy/build anything, but you should really consider TRAINING with it too. Great job. Thanks for taking the time to produce and share.
The video and audio production values on this channel are just incredible. Anyway, for a scout rifle, just get the Scout Squad M1A from Springfield Armory. :-)
wow such a great video. I love the approach your taking on exploring other firearms concepts. I live in California so AR15 and Aks just don't seem worth the hassle. I have been thinking of this same build. GPR rifle bolt or lever action. ruger American ranch with a nice 1X4 scope and nice sling. budget build with 5 round mags I think it could get the job done. can't wait to see the next video ur awesome man. keep it up. thanks for not just repeating all the same carbine and glock talk as every other channel.
If you live in CA and like the scout rifle idea in a semi auto the mini 14 is a solid bet. if you live in CA, the M1A, M1 Garand, Mini-14/Mini-30, SKS and others are all good options and since they don't have pistol grips you don't need a bullet button.
That was really well done shaky cam! Somebody please make the editors of the Bourne series watch the first minute of this. Great Foley work with the breathing and footfalls
Your point about the backup red dot sight is well taken. A small, light weight sight with extra batteries would fit easily in your kit and any pic rail would allow you to swap it out quickly. The 308 is the right choice because if ammunition became scarce, military ammunition will be available. Thanks 🙏🏻
Finally! A source of information that isn't tainted by all the marketing BS driving the "tactical" trendy crowd! A real guy talking about viable and practical options within a community that is more about the latest and greatest than real skills. Thank you sir. Subscribed.
Nice, my thoughts as well. Just picked up a short barrel Ruger in 5.56 NATO for coyote. It borrows from Scout concept but is practical for chosen purpose. Love it. 😎
I was a recon scout on the ground and in armored personnel carriers and also later I became an aero scout flying helicopters both in the Army. A good scout shouldn’t have to use his weapon because he should be able to gather information and exit the area unseen. Also we were told that In actual combat we had a very short life expectancy. Compact and lightweight would be the option of choice unless you are also filling the role of a sniper and that’s another can of worms.
I think Lee Enfield No 5 Carbine was the first scout rifle, not .308. The British .303 is if my memory is correct the .303 has a bullet is .311 diameter. It has a an aperture sight, cheap and easy to mount a forward scope and has been battle tested also came fitted with a flash suppresser. The concept came about in 1942 and went into production in 1944 and was produced until 1947. If your interested check out check out Forgotten Weapons.
You should think about making a short film . This was a great video that had the feel of a large budget movie or drama trailer . Maybe do a film on the bundy standoff . I sure what ever project you might consider . After doing a casting call throughout the gun community .There would be no shortage of volunteers for actors and or extras. Since somehow I ended up on this subject . Knowing that 80 + percent of movies if not having gun's as almost a character themselves . They have guns in them . And with the high number of military and action movies . Such as good guys bad guys like Lethal Weapon, Strike Back , Twd , The UNIT , And a plethora of similar movies . I think it would be optimal for a gun oriented company with the knowledge of firearms . As well as all the right connections in the firearms community . To make a movie label or what ever they call them ? Production company . This way the actors could be knowledgeable shooters and the stories made would consist of topics the gun community wants to see . I will sum up what I am trying to say Guns and movies go together like cornflakes & milk . So to me it only makes sense that gun people make the movies and get it right . And another up side to this . Could be firearms as a whole will be seen in a positive light . Rather than Hollywood's mostly negative portrayal and misdirection .
I so love the VXR rifle scopes! I like the Savage Hog hunter for the purposes here. Something about a 20 inch heavy barrel that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Real nice video production, congrats. Contents very interesting, is a plus info from your first rifle video. Thanks, I enjoy it and learn. Just one question if you can... what is your opinion on CZ 527M Carbine 7.63x39, as all purpose use?. Thanks again, take care and stay safe.
I really like the CZ 527 a lot, and the 7.62x39 has the benefit of being very affordable to practice with. However, the range of that cartridge is limited and it doesn't deliver much power for a bolt action. The limited range may not be an issue for you depending on where you plan on taking the rifle. As for the caliber, if I'm going to be limited to a bolt action for a "do it all" kind of rifle, I would prefer a caliber that is more likely to take down the animal/threat quickly with one hit. I have more confidence that the .308 will do that over the 7.62x39.
My very first meaningful shot, ever, with a .308; I took down a deer at 400 yards with a shot through the heart. If you dial it in before you use it practically, it is a phenomenal round.
Very good video. I am a proponent of scout rifle concepts, and made it reality with a CZ-527 in 7.62x39, NECG peep sight and no scope, although I have rings and a 1x3 Weaver that will work great. I am happy and I think Jeff would agree its good. If not, I think its good and shoot sub 1 " at 100 yards with cheap ammo all day.
Might sound stupid. But it never even occurred to me to carry a red dot in my back pack. Until now, I have been adamant that my next bolt gun have irons. Well, not anymore. What a simple idea. I cannot believe I didn't think of it before. That's why I like your videos LGA. Keep em coming.
Personally, I like to have backup iron sights as back up for scopes. They have been used back up iron sights twice in 40 years of hunting when scopes do not work. So I now have rifles with or without iron sights. So my vote is it is good to have the iron sights...
I’m also thinking about grabbing a Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39. Cheap ammo, and from what research I’ve done, great accuracy. It would also pair well with my recently bought Leupold 1.5x4 scope. No irons though...
this is a timely video for me, I have been using a 2 MOA on my AR rifles out to 200 yards no problem at all, off the bench, emphasizing off the bench, I was even getting 3 plus inch groups with wolf and brown bear out of my DPMS sweet 16. Therefore, I was really thinking hard about just putting my Sparc 2 on my grendel taking off the variable scope, thus lightening the rifle by over 1/2 lb, and also for my Tikka T3 lite 308. I had watched numerous videos where the hunter was also using a 2moa Aimpoint quite successfully out to 200 plus yards. And, a nice purchase of a standard rifle 243/308/7mm-08 that has rifle sights along with the red dot. Thoughts?
I think the 6.5 Grendel or the 6mm ARC would be a better cartridge for a scout rifle. Yes, I totally ignored the ammo availability factor, but just saying...
7mm 08 is superior to 308, Jeff Cooper liked 7mm 08 better but they already had 7.62 x 51 in many weapons. My scout rifle is Ruger American compact 20 inch barrel 7mm x 08 Burris 3x9x40 with a British ww2 sling. It is simple light cheap shoots 1 MOA and I can use it. Nuff said.
Fabulous editing, truly dramatic illistration of that drill. Would probably choose a "scout" if I had to choose one firearm to bug out with when S.H.F.T. happens. A decent Shitty would probably be my second choice, followed by a moderately high powerd semi-auto pistol... Funny how in a grid-down or otherwise scenario bereft of infrastructure and services, the least practical might just be the AR...but then again, maybe not. Thanks for bringing up the topic.
Good Video. Have you ever tried working the bolt with the palm of your hand rather than your thumb and index finger ? Works for me......more fluid with only 2 moves rather than 4 using thumb and index finger. Thanks.
In my opinion, any bolt action rifle without iron sights fails the scout rifle test - period! Jeff Cooper’s specs were not meant for interpretation, even though many manufacturers have done just that.
300 to 400 yards. If you play with 3 or 8 for any appreciable amount of time. Regular hits out to 600 yards should be well within any decent Shooters capability. As for using a red. Instead of iron sights, although sounds intriguing, the Marine Corps is having real problems getting new recruits to be able to hit a Target using a Red Dot site. And that's it only 100 yards. What I believe the Marines are failing to understand is that shooting a rifle without understanding iron sights may very well be a fundamental flaw and short-circuiting mindset where it comes to the understanding of ballistics. I'm not sure that that's the problem, I'm still trying to figure out what the issue might be but that's the first one that came to mind. Your final point is key. If you're going to build a battery of rifles your very first rifle should be a good solid 308 bolt rifle. Not only are they ubiquitous, with practice, they are as capable or more capable than almost any other rifle you will add to your collection. There is a huge caveat here, it requires practice. Buying a firearm to defend oneself is no better than buying a piano and claiming you now a musician.
if choosing for a red dot then one with drop comp markings cause batteries will run out when you need it and during good light conditions you do not need the illumination
Paul watches Lucky Gunner too, I've seen his comments on several older videos. Most recent one I remember was the Lucky Gunner's "9th pellet flyer phenomenon" video. which paul also made a video on & talked good about their work.
I see the value of a scout rifle... but there’s something about a “trapper” or “guide gun” short lever action .45-70 or .30-30... all being dependent on what your doing... most of time I’m either getting in and out of vehicles or walking through the woods... with shots ranging from 25-150 yards.. with shorter lighter rifles, chambered in intermediate or “big bore” calibers is probably the best general purpose guns you can get..
I’ll do you one better; semi automatic rifles in your caliber of choosing, particularly if they have detachable magazines or the ability to be fed stripper clips.
Well a number of years ago I bought a Remington Model 7, Caliber 308 ,Bolt gun with iron sights, 18 inch barrel, I put a decent Leoupld Scope on it. If I had to have one center fire rifle forever in North AmericaI this would be it. It is very light, handy, reasonably accurate. I have sucessfully killed deer at 200 and 250 yards with one shot kills. You do not see used Model 7 in .308 for sale very often. If you see one buy it.
My only dissent from your idea of the practical rifle is your idea of having a back up optic, if the first fails. That's what Iron sights are perfect for, they don't take batteries, they cant be as subject to zeroing issues. What happens if both optics go down? Your still in the same boat. Now i'm not a slave to ghost ring sights at all, most military style rifles of older eras had a simple v notch rear sight blade. I am toying with a general purpose rifle concept of my own. I have a Savage Hog Hunter in .223. Now .308 is no doubt stouter and better for long range shooting, but .223 is cheaper, more available, and at the distances that the vast majority of shots I will be taking, .223 fits the bill just fine. The hog hunter has a threaded barrel, which will be sporting an A2 birdcage soon. (Suppressors are neat, but the NFA rigmarole is annoying) It has built in "Safari" style express sights which can be augmented with Williams firesight fiber optic sights. These are fine for a backup on a .223 rifle. The primary optic is a burris fastfire 3 on a QR mount on the front ring of the receiver. Now on to the hog hunters greatest flaw, it has a flush, non detachable magazine. But even this can be overcome. Highpower shooters of yesteryear had bolt on stripper clip guides that would mount to the rear receiver ring of remington700's and winchester 70's. I will fashion one out of a spare piece of weaver rail. I will also need to modify a lot of .223 stripper clips to be the correct length for the number of rounds the hog hunter holds (the factory says 4 in the mag, but 5 fits in just fine without compromising its ability to feed thus far.) This should make for a more than capable "carry rifle" that would suit a lot of needs. Really, one of the firearm manufactures needs to come up with a .223 and .308 caliber version of the Madsen M47 rifle, with $20 detachable mags and optic mounts. That's what most people are looking for.
HumanRobotPunk +++ Agreed. Saying that red dot sights are superior to irons in almost every way is a stretch. Irons don't quit, they don't run on batteries and they rarely have to be zeroed once they're in. Also, you don't just throw on a red dot and your ready to go. Usually at the very least, you need to lollipop your red dot to get some sort of accuracy.
Hateful Hermit you’d be dumb to do that. Your rifle should always be treated as gold because it’s going to save your life. If that did happen though you’d go from offensive straight into defensive with a pistol.
Forgive me if I missed it, but what is the importance in having a forward mounted optic? The only real advantage I can conclude is correcting a malfunction may be easier without an optic over the bolt. But then again bolt guns rarely malfunction.
It's been a while since I read Cooper's reasoning behind the forward mounted scope, but if I remember correctly, theoretically, it allows you to maintain awareness of your immediate surroundings, and I guess some people find them to be quicker than traditionally mounted scopes. Also, some Scout advocates like the fact that the forward mounted scope allows for the use of stripper clips, but with so many rifles available with detachable box magazines, this seems like a bit of a silly reason to use a sub-optimal scope mount. I think they upset the overall balance of the rifle, and they're not terribly easy to use. They are unforgiving of a less than perfect cheek weld -- your eye has to be in just the right spot to see through them. At least the ones I've used. My take on it is that the forward mounted scope idea was conceived in a time when variable power scopes were considered unreliable. Fixed power was the way to go (and even those were not considered to be especially rugged, hence the emphasis on backup iron sights). With a fixed power 4x or 6x optic mounted over the action, I suppose you'd theoretically risk getting "lost" in the scope and miss what's going on right in front of you. But today, even budget-level low power variable scopes are generally very reliable, and the forward mounted optic seems to be a bit of an anachronism. That said, I'm not hunting dangerous game on the African plains, which is what Cooper liked these rifles for, so what do I know?
Lucky Gunner Ammo also you can carry the rifle balanced with one hand at the action, and you are able to use military bolt actions that use stripper clips, i.e Mauser, etc. The forward mount low powered scope let you keep both eyes open as you shoot, and believe me, it’s just as fast as iron sights. The forward mounted scope allows you to shoot any position quickly without getting “scope eye”
the best practical scout rifle ever i think would be the sks rifle with a PU mosin nagant scope you get the best of all worlds you have irons you have a scope and you can quickly feed the rifle with stripper clips hands down probly one of the best scout/ practical/ dmr set ups out there not to mention un like most scout rifles its semi auto as well maybe not quite as accurate as a bolt action gun but still a good set up
if i had to go with a bolt action tho i would probly go with a yugo mauser or m38 mosin nagant in a scout set up with a long eye relief scope both have quick reloads with stripper clips thats the key to any scout set up having the ability to reload quickly
Nice video. I been thinking about adding a nice bolt action to my collection.
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OK i've got a question so the scout rifle being a bolt action or what you would consider low maintenance with all of the technology that has come out in semi auto rifles as a general purpose rifle wouldn't an A.R. 10 of good quality for a or an affordable price say $799-$1000 be a better all purpose rifle since they are reliable and if you clean them they are low maintenance? Wouldn't it be better to own a lightweight A.R. 10 with a 16 inch barrel chambered in 308-7 .62 x 51? As an X combat veteran even a small encounter with one or two aggressors and you're not a sniper you do not want a bolt action rifle to go against those individuals since you're on a scout op or a patrol....??
That looks like a lot of fun mate, I shot something similar at a service rifle comp. once.. What were the ranges for each shot? Is that a standard format from a match?
Hi Chris: If my memory is accurate, neither your Practical Rifle nor LtCol Cooper’s Scout Rifle “loose” definitions mention capacity. Isn’t that an important attribute, which should be considered? To illustrate this, I’m reasonably sure (but with no quantitative data) that a 3+1 or a 4+1 capacity might be inadequate for some reasonable scenarios; similarly, I’m not personally convinced that loading >20 rounds is necessary (or even desirable). Should capacity be included in the “loose” definition and, if so, what is your recommendation? Thank you!
I suppose that depends on the intended application. I don't think of capacity as being particularly important for the things I would use a practical rifle for. Furthermore, the majority of the rifles that fit the "practical rifle" criteria don't have a capacity greater than 4 or 5+1. And for the few that do, the larger magazines tend to disrupt the handling characteristics that make these rifles attractive in the first place. But if you have need for more rounds on board, then of course that will change your priorities when you're considering what rifle works best for your situation.
Wait! You mean to tell me that I have to have skills with the stuff I buy? So, that rifle isn't going to make me a great shooter just because I own it? Internet heresy! Burn him! Real talk though, excellent point.
man thats exactly what i was thinking .... i actually told the lady i bought my ammo from to let the guys know how awesome the production and how great the content is ... YES ... i started buying ammo from Lucky Gunner... great price on Federal this month
Back in the 70s when I was an Army Ranger, I remember running 5 miles from the barracks to the range for platoon competition. I carried an M60 Machine Gun. So I had an advantage with the tracers. Since I carried the heaviest weapon, I led the way. We rarely lost.
There is a passage in Coopers book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" where he writes "specialization is for insects", and that goal for Men should be to become proficient across the widest range of endeavors. He often preached against "Dogma" and gave credit to guns such as Winchester's 94 lever action as being prototypical of the scout concept and placed a premium on the "handiness" of a rifle. Much along the lines of modern concealed carry philosophy. In other words, what good is having a tricked out 1911 for defense if its not with you when the red flag goes up? I think Jeff Cooper would very much approve of how this Tikka was set up and said as much while still living, when he praised many examples of rifles that incorporated what he considered the most important elements of his Scout Concept, while not actually being "Specialized" around the parameters he set forth. Under a Meter, Light, handi, powerful enough, sling, low power magnification for fast engagement of targets, and BUIS.. I agree with you that the latter is not the most important aspect of a scout rifle and its good to remember that the conference laying out these parameters was held in the early 80's and low powered optics and red dots have made "GIANT" leaps forward since Cooper built his Remington 600 in the early 70's. Which incidentally, did not have back up Iron sights.
Great points. Well rounded skill set is of primary importance. Even Deadly Army Snipers go through all the training to be excellent infantrymen first. Ruger's Scout rifle is a great rifle at a fair price. That maybe next on my list. For now a Springfield M1A SOCOM fits the bill for me.
I have two main rifles, a lightweight AR and a Remington 7600 in .270. They both get carried in the desert and mountains, so balance and ease of carry were prioritized when setting them up. I've carried Marlin 336s a fair bit in the past, and Jeff Cooper was certainly onto something with his fondness for .30-30 leverguns.
I had a Browning BLR in .308. It had a 5 round detachable box magazine. A 2-7x Burris scope and a sling. It was fast, short, light, incredibly accurate and looked very non tactical... I think the lever action rifle is under rated in this category of firearms.
The Wife has an irons-only Winchester 94 in 30-30. I was thinking of getting a Marlin 336 to mount a scope while shooting the same caliber. I handload using a Lee Classic Loader so brass interchangability with a setup that only resizes the neck might be an issue.
Joel Lopez My Marlin is a 1964 JM 336 30-30 my Win 94 30-30 is a 1975 they are both older than me... love my marlin use it hunting each yr for Deer and in summer ground hogs to keep my shooting sharp... greetings from nc tim ps how old is your marlin?
Benedict Benjo i love both of them... scope for longer range open sights for closer work, i have all the stuff to reload, i just need the press... i'm savings for a rock chucker (rbcs) i have the dies for .38spl. .357 mag .308 win and .30-30 win... if' you get a marlin the older ones before 1982 didn't have a safety (mines a 1964) just the hammer, and the Remington made marlins do have some issues... buy a JM when you can find one... greetings from NC tim
Excellent idea regarding using a red dot in place of back up iron sights. It really makes sense when you think of it. I am going to build my "practical rifle" around the Ruger American Ranch rifle in 7.62x39. It is light, compact, and the accuracy tests that I have seen on TH-cam tell me that it is accurate enough (even with Tula ammo) for ranges up to 400 yards.
Great video. At my age if you see me running like that, you know the laxative is working.
Mike Campbell now that's funny right there
What he said! Seriously...an awesome motion picture right here. Such a beautiful intro!
Mike Campbell lmao
Amen
Lmfao this one literally made me spit out my drink
Lucky Gunner: "I'm not predicting an end of the world scenario for this rifle..."
2020: "I'm gonna ruin this man's whole career!!!"
The zombies are here and they are after our toilet paper, Kpow, chunkchink, Kpow
Except its not that bad.
@@PeaceManBro *July 2020 with Corona Virus, Swine Flu 2.0, political chaos, social upheavals and riots, economic collapse and increase in global tensions with countries having boarder spats*
"I'm gonna ruin everyones whole career!!!"
@@Tuberuser187 Yeah you can make anything seem worse than it is, its still not that bad, Id rather live in this recession than the one a hundred years ago.
@@PeaceManBro I never made anything worse than it it is, there was no editorial effort from me to exaggerate or amplify the issues. I just listed some, not even all of the more serious issues going on right now. I missed things out even, I do agree I would rather live through this economic crisis than the Great depression though.
Not to make light of your content, I like it, but my favorite moment was the enhanced audio of the sound your sling made as you braced it off to shoot from bended knee
Yeah, I was struck by that as well.
That wasn't his sling but his ab and glutes flexing and it stretched the elastic in his tighty whities. Tighty whitie elastic sound.
I really liked the video. 1 thing i think is funny how most AR folks preach BUIS on all rifles but when it comes to practical bolt guns hardly anyone wants them. I think the likelihood of damaging a scope or losing zero while hiking, hunting or scouting is far more likely than a optic going down during a gun fight for 99% of us. I think BUIS have a place on all rifles. Modern optics while very good, reliable and robust can and do still fail sometimes. I realize irons can too but definitely not as often. I also think people don't like to take the time to learn to be efficient and quick with irons and that is why they gravitate to red dots. At the end of the day this is just one persons opinion and people should use what works for them. Long live iron sights!!!!
I learned to shoot over irons, and I've never really made friends with scope shooting. I can never seem to get a good picture with a scope unless I'm so close that it smacks me in the eye pro, (And sometimes even then the picture is sub par.) After shooting old mil surps like Swiss K31s that will go sub-MOA at 300 yards with irons, I'm mystified why more modern rifles don't come with good, usable iron sights.
I agree it's annoying how few rifles come with irons these days. Ruger Gunsite Scout, Savage Hog Hunter, CZ 527 (and other CZs) are good. Zastava makes Mauser clones and others that are good especially for price. Mossberg Patriot, Winchester M70, and Ruger M77 are good options if you want 30-06 or larger but I prefer .308 at the biggest personally. There's always single shots and lever guns (Henry, Marlin, etc). I'd like to get a straight-walled cartridge model of Henry's Single Shot but I haven't been able to find one yet.
i shot ars and bolt guns in a competition style manner, i just feel more confident with a bolt rather than an ar. i would trust a bolt gun for getting an effective first shot off.
My dad has been hunting with iron sights on his pump 7600 rem in 308. He said (and I believe him) he has never missed a deer. Most of his shots were under 50 yards (some out to 100). I remember my second year out with him we were stalking through some brush. Came out to a small clearing and jumped a buck. Watched my dad drop a buck in it's track running full speed from 40 yards. That is a shot that require iron sights or something similar.
This was well produced. Good job guys
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Shot for Shot of Band of Brothers... I dig it..
+Miles Hanson Glad somebody noticed :)
@@LuckyGunner what about Ruger American Ranch in 556?
@@LuckyGunner why not run a 45 degree mount for the Red Dot? so you won't need to remove your scope and have a red dot back up. what if dirt got on your main scope and you just needed to clean it but are in battle, you don't have time to remove it and install a red dot, but with 45 degree mount you have a red dot.. then after engagement you can clean the scope and keep a reliable zero.
I really like Bolt Action, probably for the same reason I like lever action or pump action rifles. Manually loading that round is a great feeling.
I've never cared for bolt-action rifles; being a southpaw all milsurps and most commercial rifles are backwards for me. That said, I totally agree with you on lever and pump rifles.
The lever action is superior to the bolt action rifle under the practical rifle guidelines presented. You can mount optics and scopes on lever action and they have cartridges effective in that close to 400 yard. Lever come even in 6.5 creedmoor if you want more range, and got artillery shells like 45 70. The lever action is much faster cycle mechanism than the bolt, if you are good you can almost get firing rates close to semi-auto rifles. And also the lever has side loading capabilities like a shotgun and dont require magazines.
The bolt action rifle will always be what it was designed for a long range precision sniper rifle. This is the area the bolt action rifle excels at the most than any other rifle in existence.
By far, the most anxiously awaited videos on my subscription list. Well done, Chris.
I have a Tikka T3 Battue that is my pseudo scout rifle. The scope is mounted over the receiver, since you can't top or clip load a Tikka. The rear sight is mounted on the barrel, and the open sights are very useable and accurate. The 3 and 5 round box magazines carry easily and are quick to change. It'll do.
First off the edits of this video are sick. 2nd nice rifle. 3rd must of been awesome time shooting that thing. Good work brother.
A perfect Asian Squat?! You can do that? I'm impressed.
Honestly, one of the best openings to any video. Very well done!
6:37 that's the first time I've seen anybody else use that technique. My dad taught me that almost four decades ago. Best way to carry a rifle.
Basic hunting rifles like these are my favorite ones!
I was just made aware of this video. Nice job!
Your editing and production skills are superb.
+Randy Cain Thanks, Randy!
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@@LuckyGunner
What about 6.5 Grendel for a practical rifle?
The definition of a scout rifle is the one that is most accurate when jumping.
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Such a high quality production. Really amazing intro footage. I've watched some of your videos now, and this may be my new favorite gun-related channel. You've earned my subscribtion, thats for sure.
Man I would love to try this drill. Don't have a bolt rifle or anywhere to do this drill, but it something to look forward to if I get a house with property!
Great video, and I like the points on the dot vs backup sights. Cooper was very smart, but you also have to look at the context of his times. He died in 2006, but likely had most of his adventures that formed his opinions mainly in the 1940's-1960's. At that point of course reliable, reliable, tough, long battery life red dots did not really exist, and the top end scopes were not as good as something you would buy at Walmart for $40 these days.
I enjoy a few youtube gun guys. But I don't believe anyone combines the knowledge and preparation this young man does. No wasted time. All logic and well planned. It makes viewing very enjoyable and informative.
I have a Californian friend who's considering a bolt-action/Scout rifle for home defense, so this is very helpful. Thank you.
+ACE Tactical A handgun or shotgun would be a far better choice for a dedicated home defense gun. I'd only rely on a bolt action if I had no other choice.
He would be better served with a lever action carbine chambered in .357 magnum then a bolt action.
To echo what others have already said, the production and "cool-ness" factor of this video is top notch. Great job! Keep up the good work.
For a Canadian practical rifle I've done the following build: Remington 7600, 18.6" barrel .308, threaded to 1/2" x 28 with a drilled out Vortex flash hider. I know that the pump is inferior for prone shooting but in Canada, with it's ever more onerous gun laws, there is a certain practicality in a generalist pump rifle.
I've kept the OEM irons and zeroed them at 25 yards and run a Primary Arms 1-8X SFP illuminated scope with a .308 ACSS reticle in low Leupold QD rings zeroed at 100 yards.
Sling is a Browning Xcellerator two point attached to a barrel band at the front and the OEM stud at the rear.
I'm running a Mambamag 10 round magazine plus a bunch of Remington 4 rounders. All feed fine.
I've shimmed and screwed on a picatinny rail on the left side of the forend for an Olight white/IR light and will probably do the same on the right side for an IR laser.
Yah given that semi autos are still obtainable in Canada there’s real no point to go with a pump.
What an amazing introduction!!!! Making bolt action great again!!!
Of all the things I miss, I miss being able to run above losing my mind.
Wow, very well done video! Topic is really on target but also kudos for the video technical aspects. You hit two points that I think a lot of people overlook - one, that "scout rifle" is so narrowly defined that things like a dot sight backup are overlooked, and more importantly the topic of SKILLS. You can buy/build anything, but you should really consider TRAINING with it too.
Great job. Thanks for taking the time to produce and share.
The video and audio production values on this channel are just incredible. Anyway, for a scout rifle, just get the Scout Squad M1A from Springfield Armory. :-)
I'm late to the party, but I love the way you channeled your inner Maj. Winters BoA moment at the beginning there. Love your channel, Chris!
Awesome introduction! Had a Walking Dead feel to it. Very interested in the next video. Don't make me wait so long for the next one!
Remington XP-100 in 308 with a 14.5 inch barrel works pretty damn good.
wow such a great video. I love the approach your taking on exploring other firearms concepts. I live in California so AR15 and Aks just don't seem worth the hassle. I have been thinking of this same build. GPR rifle bolt or lever action. ruger American ranch with a nice 1X4 scope and nice sling. budget build with 5 round mags I think it could get the job done. can't wait to see the next video ur awesome man. keep it up. thanks for not just repeating all the same carbine and glock talk as every other channel.
beau shelton Sounds like a good choice for a practical rifle, if you like bolt guns.
If you live in CA and like the scout rifle idea in a semi auto the mini 14 is a solid bet. if you live in CA, the M1A, M1 Garand, Mini-14/Mini-30, SKS and others are all good options and since they don't have pistol grips you don't need a bullet button.
You make some really well thought out videos, good job.
That was really well done shaky cam! Somebody please make the editors of the Bourne series watch the first minute of this. Great Foley work with the breathing and footfalls
Your point about the backup red dot sight is well taken. A small, light weight sight with extra batteries would fit easily in your kit and any pic rail would allow you to swap it out quickly. The 308 is the right choice because if ammunition became scarce, military ammunition will be available. Thanks 🙏🏻
Lever gun in 44 Mag or 30-30. Both have plenty of power at short range, along with pretty good mag capacity.
Finally! A source of information that isn't tainted by all the marketing BS driving the "tactical" trendy crowd! A real guy talking about viable and practical options within a community that is more about the latest and greatest than real skills. Thank you sir. Subscribed.
Nice, my thoughts as well. Just picked up a short barrel Ruger in 5.56 NATO for coyote. It borrows from Scout concept but is practical for chosen purpose. Love it. 😎
I was a recon scout on the ground and in armored personnel carriers and also later I became an aero scout flying helicopters both in the Army. A good scout shouldn’t have to use his weapon because he should be able to gather information and exit the area unseen. Also we were told that In actual combat we had a very short life expectancy. Compact and lightweight would be the option of choice unless you are also filling the role of a sniper and that’s another can of worms.
I think Lee Enfield No 5 Carbine was the first scout rifle, not .308. The British .303 is if my memory is correct the .303 has a bullet is .311 diameter. It has a an aperture sight, cheap and easy to mount a forward scope and has been battle tested also came fitted with a flash suppresser. The concept came about in 1942 and went into production in 1944 and was produced until 1947. If your interested check out check out Forgotten Weapons.
Can we all agree these came shots can be achieved with a lightweight freefloated ar-10 with a 10rd magazine
True but probably more bulky and hard to get as light. Depends on which part of the "general purpose" you emphasize I guess
@@borkwoof696 they make ar-10 pistols with lightweight profle barrels i'm pretty sure... look it up
You should think about making a short film . This was a great video that had the feel of a large budget movie or drama trailer . Maybe do a film on the bundy standoff . I sure what ever project you might consider . After doing a casting call throughout the gun community .There would be no shortage of volunteers for actors and or extras.
Since somehow I ended up on this subject . Knowing that 80 + percent of movies if not having gun's as almost a character themselves . They have guns in them . And with the high number of military and action movies . Such as good guys bad guys like Lethal Weapon, Strike Back , Twd , The UNIT , And a plethora of similar movies . I think it would be optimal for a gun oriented company with the knowledge of firearms . As well as all the right connections in the firearms community . To make a movie label or what ever they call them ? Production company . This way the actors could be knowledgeable shooters and the stories made would consist of topics the gun community wants to see .
I will sum up what I am trying to say Guns and movies go together like cornflakes & milk . So to me it only makes sense that gun people make the movies and get it right . And another up side to this . Could be firearms as a whole will be seen in a positive light . Rather than Hollywood's mostly negative portrayal and misdirection .
I so love the VXR rifle scopes! I like the Savage Hog hunter for the purposes here. Something about a 20 inch heavy barrel that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Now that Ruger has purchased Marlin, I'm thinking of getting a Marlin 1895SBL and slapping a forward-mounted, low-power scope on it.
Well done on the intro, good sir.
Brother in Beard, I must compliment your mane. 'Tis "on point".
Great production quality too.
Real nice video production, congrats. Contents very interesting, is a plus info from your first rifle video. Thanks, I enjoy it and learn. Just one question if you can... what is your opinion on CZ 527M Carbine 7.63x39, as all purpose use?. Thanks again, take care and stay safe.
I really like the CZ 527 a lot, and the 7.62x39 has the benefit of being very affordable to practice with. However, the range of that cartridge is limited and it doesn't deliver much power for a bolt action. The limited range may not be an issue for you depending on where you plan on taking the rifle. As for the caliber, if I'm going to be limited to a bolt action for a "do it all" kind of rifle, I would prefer a caliber that is more likely to take down the animal/threat quickly with one hit. I have more confidence that the .308 will do that over the 7.62x39.
Thank you Chris again. I will look into .308
My very first meaningful shot, ever, with a .308; I took down a deer at 400 yards with a shot through the heart. If you dial it in before you use it practically, it is a phenomenal round.
That was exactly what I was thinking.
Player Review You know, I've seen you all around TH-cam, mostly on Nicks channel, May I ask how long you've been a knife enthusiast?
Dude, the sound quality is top notch!
Very good video. I am a proponent of scout rifle concepts, and made it reality with a CZ-527 in 7.62x39, NECG peep sight and no scope, although I have rings and a 1x3 Weaver that will work great. I am happy and I think Jeff would agree its good. If not, I think its good and shoot sub 1 " at 100 yards with cheap ammo all day.
Might sound stupid. But it never even occurred to me to carry a red dot in my back pack.
Until now, I have been adamant that my next bolt gun have irons. Well, not anymore. What a simple idea. I cannot believe I didn't think of it before. That's why I like your videos LGA. Keep em coming.
Greg MacDonald I have a Barska red dot on my Savage Axis .223 and love it. it's fun.
why not just carry a back up scope.
Get a quality red dot and have it zeroed.
wow
footage and cinematics are phenomenal
Personally, I like to have backup iron sights as back up for scopes. They have been used back up iron sights twice in 40 years of hunting when scopes do not work. So I now have rifles with or without iron sights. So my vote is it is good to have the iron sights...
I’m also thinking about grabbing a Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39. Cheap ammo, and from what research I’ve done, great accuracy. It would also pair well with my recently bought Leupold 1.5x4 scope. No irons though...
this is a timely video for me, I have been using a 2 MOA on my AR rifles out to 200 yards no problem at all, off the bench, emphasizing off the bench, I was even getting 3 plus inch groups with wolf and brown bear out of my DPMS sweet 16. Therefore, I was really thinking hard about just putting my Sparc 2 on my grendel taking off the variable scope, thus lightening the rifle by over 1/2 lb, and also for my Tikka T3 lite 308. I had watched numerous videos where the hunter was also using a 2moa Aimpoint quite successfully out to 200 plus yards. And, a nice purchase of a standard rifle 243/308/7mm-08 that has rifle sights along with the red dot. Thoughts?
I think the 6.5 Grendel or the 6mm ARC would be a better cartridge for a scout rifle. Yes, I totally ignored the ammo availability factor, but just saying...
308 works well on any large game or large human!!
7mm 08 is superior to 308, Jeff Cooper liked 7mm 08 better but they already had 7.62 x 51 in many weapons. My scout rifle is Ruger American compact 20 inch barrel 7mm x 08 Burris 3x9x40 with a British ww2 sling. It is simple light cheap shoots 1 MOA and I can use it. Nuff said.
Fabulous editing, truly dramatic illistration of that drill.
Would probably choose a "scout" if I had to choose one firearm to bug out with when S.H.F.T. happens. A decent Shitty would probably be my second choice, followed by a moderately high powerd semi-auto pistol...
Funny how in a grid-down or otherwise scenario bereft of infrastructure and services, the least practical might just be the AR...but then again, maybe not.
Thanks for bringing up the topic.
Very thoughtful analysis, practical, use oriented and we'll made video.
Great video! Randy is an excellent instructor.
Good Video. Have you ever tried working the bolt with the palm of your hand rather than your thumb and index finger ? Works for me......more fluid with only 2 moves rather than 4 using thumb and index finger. Thanks.
In my opinion, any bolt action rifle without iron sights fails the scout rifle test - period! Jeff Cooper’s specs were not meant for interpretation, even though many manufacturers have done just that.
300 to 400 yards. If you play with 3 or 8 for any appreciable amount of time. Regular hits out to 600 yards should be well within any decent Shooters capability. As for using a red. Instead of iron sights, although sounds intriguing, the Marine Corps is having real problems getting new recruits to be able to hit a Target using a Red Dot site. And that's it only 100 yards. What I believe the Marines are failing to understand is that shooting a rifle without understanding iron sights may very well be a fundamental flaw and short-circuiting mindset where it comes to the understanding of ballistics. I'm not sure that that's the problem, I'm still trying to figure out what the issue might be but that's the first one that came to mind. Your final point is key. If you're going to build a battery of rifles your very first rifle should be a good solid 308 bolt rifle. Not only are they ubiquitous, with practice, they are as capable or more capable than almost any other rifle you will add to your collection. There is a huge caveat here, it requires practice. Buying a firearm to defend oneself is no better than buying a piano and claiming you now a musician.
Did Jeff Cooper have available the OPTION of a red-dot sight? Maybe not. Maybe he'd have even preferred one to the "ghost-ring" backup option...
if choosing for a red dot then one with drop comp markings cause batteries will run out when you need it and during good light conditions you do not need the illumination
Which must be why militaries use them over red dots, oh wait.
@@baneofbanes true but don't forget that the military has a supply line behind them. in case of an outside its fixed. a survival scout rifle...
@@Robin6512 good thing you can buy batteries at basically any convince store.
You could buy a milsurp mauser in .308 like the Brazilian or Norwegian ones that come with iron sights.
WTF is this opening? This is why I like Paul Harrell.
Paul watches Lucky Gunner too, I've seen his comments on several older videos. Most recent one I remember was the Lucky Gunner's "9th pellet flyer phenomenon" video. which paul also made a video on & talked good about their work.
I would love to know what cameras/mic/software setup you guys use. Really excellent production quality and content.
These videos are great. Really well done. Thanks!
Nice!
Where can I get one of these bad boys, was set on a mvp patrol in 308 but idk now tikkas have a really smooth action.
I see the value of a scout rifle... but there’s something about a “trapper” or “guide gun” short lever action .45-70 or .30-30... all being dependent on what your doing... most of time I’m either getting in and out of vehicles or walking through the woods... with shots ranging from 25-150 yards.. with shorter lighter rifles, chambered in intermediate or “big bore” calibers is probably the best general purpose guns you can get..
I’ll do you one better; semi automatic rifles in your caliber of choosing, particularly if they have detachable magazines or the ability to be fed stripper clips.
Well a number of years ago I bought a Remington Model 7, Caliber 308 ,Bolt gun with iron sights, 18 inch barrel, I put a decent Leoupld Scope on it. If I had to have one center fire rifle forever in North AmericaI this would be it. It is very light, handy, reasonably accurate. I have sucessfully killed deer at 200 and 250 yards with one shot kills. You do not see used Model 7 in .308 for sale very often. If you see one buy it.
thinking about building something similar. 308 16" bergara HMR with a 1-8x PA and irons. a little heavy ~10lbs but could be a good goof ~$1400 total
Just get a Steyr Tactical Elite is awesome but expensive! Now if they can make it in a straight pull action.
Excellent quality into, guys! 10/10
Great video! I like your videos a lot. very entertaining, very informative. Thanks for the Channel!
My only dissent from your idea of the practical rifle is your idea of having a back up optic, if the first fails. That's what Iron sights are perfect for, they don't take batteries, they cant be as subject to zeroing issues. What happens if both optics go down? Your still in the same boat. Now i'm not a slave to ghost ring sights at all, most military style rifles of older eras had a simple v notch rear sight blade.
I am toying with a general purpose rifle concept of my own.
I have a Savage Hog Hunter in .223. Now .308 is no doubt stouter and better for long range shooting, but .223 is cheaper, more available, and at the distances that the vast majority of shots I will be taking, .223 fits the bill just fine.
The hog hunter has a threaded barrel, which will be sporting an A2 birdcage soon. (Suppressors are neat, but the NFA rigmarole is annoying) It has built in "Safari" style express sights which can be augmented with Williams firesight fiber optic sights. These are fine for a backup on a .223 rifle.
The primary optic is a burris fastfire 3 on a QR mount on the front ring of the receiver.
Now on to the hog hunters greatest flaw, it has a flush, non detachable magazine. But even this can be overcome. Highpower shooters of yesteryear had bolt on stripper clip guides that would mount to the rear receiver ring of remington700's and winchester 70's. I will fashion one out of a spare piece of weaver rail. I will also need to modify a lot of .223 stripper clips to be the correct length for the number of rounds the hog hunter holds (the factory says 4 in the mag, but 5 fits in just fine without compromising its ability to feed thus far.) This should make for a more than capable "carry rifle" that would suit a lot of needs.
Really, one of the firearm manufactures needs to come up with a .223 and .308 caliber version of the Madsen M47 rifle, with $20 detachable mags and optic mounts. That's what most people are looking for.
HumanRobotPunk +++ Agreed. Saying that red dot sights are superior to irons in almost every way is a stretch. Irons don't quit, they don't run on batteries and they rarely have to be zeroed once they're in. Also, you don't just throw on a red dot and your ready to go. Usually at the very least, you need to lollipop your red dot to get some sort of accuracy.
Until you break off the front sight...
Hateful Hermit you’d be dumb to do that. Your rifle should always be treated as gold because it’s going to save your life. If that did happen though you’d go from offensive straight into defensive with a pistol.
Great Video, That was excellent Shooting, With Your Heart Rate up like that from running.
Forgive me if I missed it, but what is the importance in having a forward mounted optic? The only real advantage I can conclude is correcting a malfunction may be easier without an optic over the bolt. But then again bolt guns rarely malfunction.
It's been a while since I read Cooper's reasoning behind the forward mounted scope, but if I remember correctly, theoretically, it allows you to maintain awareness of your immediate surroundings, and I guess some people find them to be quicker than traditionally mounted scopes. Also, some Scout advocates like the fact that the forward mounted scope allows for the use of stripper clips, but with so many rifles available with detachable box magazines, this seems like a bit of a silly reason to use a sub-optimal scope mount. I think they upset the overall balance of the rifle, and they're not terribly easy to use. They are unforgiving of a less than perfect cheek weld -- your eye has to be in just the right spot to see through them. At least the ones I've used.
My take on it is that the forward mounted scope idea was conceived in a time when variable power scopes were considered unreliable. Fixed power was the way to go (and even those were not considered to be especially rugged, hence the emphasis on backup iron sights). With a fixed power 4x or 6x optic mounted over the action, I suppose you'd theoretically risk getting "lost" in the scope and miss what's going on right in front of you. But today, even budget-level low power variable scopes are generally very reliable, and the forward mounted optic seems to be a bit of an anachronism. That said, I'm not hunting dangerous game on the African plains, which is what Cooper liked these rifles for, so what do I know?
Lucky Gunner Ammo also you can carry the rifle balanced with one hand at the action, and you are able to use military bolt actions that use stripper clips, i.e Mauser, etc.
The forward mount low powered scope let you keep both eyes open as you shoot, and believe me, it’s just as fast as iron sights. The forward mounted scope allows you to shoot any position quickly without getting “scope eye”
the best practical scout rifle ever i think would be the sks rifle with a PU mosin nagant scope you get the best of all worlds you have irons you have a scope and you can quickly feed the rifle with stripper clips hands down probly one of the best scout/ practical/ dmr set ups out there not to mention un like most scout rifles its semi auto as well maybe not quite as accurate as a bolt action gun but still a good set up
if i had to go with a bolt action tho i would probly go with a yugo mauser or m38 mosin nagant in a scout set up with a long eye relief scope both have quick reloads with stripper clips thats the key to any scout set up having the ability to reload quickly
This is coming close to heresy. They burn heretics at the stake. (Sorry, I meant they burn steaks at The Heretic, a local tavern.)
I have one 19 inch barrel, bolt action rifle on 30-06.
Great production on the video!
Nice video. I been thinking about adding a nice bolt action to my collection.
OK i've got a question so the scout rifle being a bolt action or what you would consider low maintenance with all of the technology that has come out in semi auto rifles as a general purpose rifle wouldn't an A.R. 10 of good quality for a or an affordable price say $799-$1000 be a better all purpose rifle since they are reliable and if you clean them they are low maintenance? Wouldn't it be better to own a lightweight A.R. 10 with a 16 inch barrel chambered in 308-7 .62 x 51? As an X combat veteran even a small encounter with one or two aggressors and you're not a sniper you do not want a bolt action rifle to go against those individuals since you're on a scout op or a patrol....??
WHY SO FEW VIEWS?
Baker is boss.
>”just pop it off and stick a red dot on there”
On my bolt action 2 moa rifle
Please no
Thanks. Can't wait to watch Riflecraft :)
Sounds like my model '94 Winchester
That looks like a lot of fun mate, I shot something similar at a service rifle comp. once.. What were the ranges for each shot? Is that a standard format from a match?
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Thanks mate, great videos. I've been looking for the inspiration to get back into Field Class comp. and this has definitely given me a push.
Hi Chris: If my memory is accurate, neither your Practical Rifle nor LtCol Cooper’s Scout Rifle “loose” definitions mention capacity. Isn’t that an important attribute, which should be considered? To illustrate this, I’m reasonably sure (but with no quantitative data) that a 3+1 or a 4+1 capacity might be inadequate for some reasonable scenarios; similarly, I’m not personally convinced that loading >20 rounds is necessary (or even desirable). Should capacity be included in the “loose” definition and, if so, what is your recommendation? Thank you!
I suppose that depends on the intended application. I don't think of capacity as being particularly important for the things I would use a practical rifle for. Furthermore, the majority of the rifles that fit the "practical rifle" criteria don't have a capacity greater than 4 or 5+1. And for the few that do, the larger magazines tend to disrupt the handling characteristics that make these rifles attractive in the first place. But if you have need for more rounds on board, then of course that will change your priorities when you're considering what rifle works best for your situation.
Wait! You mean to tell me that I have to have skills with the stuff I buy? So, that rifle isn't going to make me a great shooter just because I own it? Internet heresy! Burn him!
Real talk though, excellent point.
@David and so is your comment ha
I thought the same way when I picked up my first guitar. :)
You just need to spend more to be better Lol
I just bought my first AR-15. Just shot off my front tow! Owe! But hey, that's how ya learn.
@@bobgunner3086 did you really?
you really deserve more subscribers... the quality of production is fantastic!
agreed
pipsqueak87 came here to say the same. really well done
pipsqueak87 agreed
Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.
man thats exactly what i was thinking .... i actually told the lady i bought my ammo from to let the guys know how awesome the production and how great the content is ... YES ... i started buying ammo from Lucky Gunner... great price on Federal this month
I feel so much validation now for having muttered "I'd probably just buy a Tikka T3..." during every scout rifle video.
Had one. There “ok” unfortunately there’s no true short action bolt. I disliked the safety set up. Went back to my model 7
Bro I'm sayin. I'm glad I did my research when I was buying
Back in the 70s when I was an Army Ranger, I remember running 5 miles from the barracks to the range for platoon competition. I carried an M60 Machine Gun. So I had an advantage with the tracers. Since I carried the heaviest weapon, I led the way. We rarely lost.
Well, good to hear. How does that have much to do with a modern light mountain rifle sporting a pistol scope?
There is a passage in Coopers book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" where he writes "specialization is for insects", and that goal for Men should be to become proficient across the widest range of endeavors. He often preached against "Dogma" and gave credit to guns such as Winchester's 94 lever action as being prototypical of the scout concept and placed a premium on the "handiness" of a rifle. Much along the lines of modern concealed carry philosophy. In other words, what good is having a tricked out 1911 for defense if its not with you when the red flag goes up? I think Jeff Cooper would very much approve of how this Tikka was set up and said as much while still living, when he praised many examples of rifles that incorporated what he considered the most important elements of his Scout Concept, while not actually being "Specialized" around the parameters he set forth. Under a Meter, Light, handi, powerful enough, sling, low power magnification for fast engagement of targets, and BUIS.. I agree with you that the latter is not the most important aspect of a scout rifle and its good to remember that the conference laying out these parameters was held in the early 80's and low powered optics and red dots have made "GIANT" leaps forward since Cooper built his Remington 600 in the early 70's. Which incidentally, did not have back up Iron sights.
That passage you speak of is a quote from Robert A. Heinlein
Great points.
Well rounded skill set is of primary importance.
Even Deadly Army Snipers go through all the training to be excellent infantrymen first.
Ruger's Scout rifle is a great rifle at a fair price.
That maybe next on my list.
For now a Springfield M1A SOCOM fits the bill for me.
I have two main rifles, a lightweight AR and a Remington 7600 in .270. They both get carried in the desert and mountains, so balance and ease of carry were prioritized when setting them up. I've carried Marlin 336s a fair bit in the past, and Jeff Cooper was certainly onto something with his fondness for .30-30 leverguns.
Very well said thank you
I had a Browning BLR in .308. It had a 5 round detachable box magazine. A 2-7x Burris scope and a sling. It was fast, short, light, incredibly accurate and looked very non tactical... I think the lever action rifle is under rated in this category of firearms.
Steve Miller Did you have your scope mounted over the receiver or forward mounted?
Not really, since only a handful of lever actions come in .308 or similar
If anyone sees me running like that, stand and wait for what's chasing me.
My Marlin 336 in 30-30 is my "Practical Rifle". It does everything I need it to do.
i got a Marlin 336 30-30 w/ a leupold VX2 3-9-40 and a Win 94 30-30 w/ open sights they are my go too guns..
The Wife has an irons-only Winchester 94 in 30-30. I was thinking of getting a Marlin 336 to mount a scope while shooting the same caliber. I handload using a Lee Classic Loader so brass interchangability with a setup that only resizes the neck might be an issue.
If you want a Marlin, make sure it's one made before the Remington buyout. A lot of the newer Marlins have quality issues because of it.
Joel Lopez My Marlin is a 1964 JM 336 30-30 my Win 94 30-30 is a 1975 they are both older than me... love my marlin use it hunting each yr for Deer and in summer ground hogs to keep my shooting sharp... greetings from nc tim
ps how old is your marlin?
Benedict Benjo i love both of them... scope for longer range open sights for closer work, i have all the stuff to reload, i just need the press... i'm savings for a rock chucker (rbcs) i have the dies for .38spl. .357 mag .308 win and .30-30 win...
if' you get a marlin the older ones before 1982 didn't have a safety (mines a 1964) just the hammer, and the Remington made marlins do have some issues... buy a JM when you can find one...
greetings from NC tim
Excellent idea regarding using a red dot in place of back up iron sights. It really makes sense when you think of it. I am going to build my "practical rifle" around the Ruger American Ranch rifle in 7.62x39. It is light, compact, and the accuracy tests that I have seen on TH-cam tell me that it is accurate enough (even with Tula ammo) for ranges up to 400 yards.
And you can shoot a lot on this because the ammunition is affordable.
I come back to this video once and a while because of that intro. So damn good.
Me too
same