@@DefensiveQueen not really, everyone was mad Ulthan was not Beast like advertised, Omega has no team, Goku was god awful on release like it is facts not nitpicking 💀
i feel like people care about phy ulthan not being able to transform so much that it overshadows his overall animations which are still very good till this day. His active skill is still the best overall animation in the game imo.
also the fact his kit wasn't the greatest is important, especially compared to Piccolo at the time, but the fact remains is he was advertised as a Beast Gohan and he was not a Beast Gohan.
I was so sad when Super 17 released. His passive was so bad, but his active skill with the jp dub was so great which is still one of the best in the game
LR Turles Movie Goku is most definitely the single worst release of 2023. Maybe even in the game’s 9 and a half years history. Edit: As for the AGL Blue duo, i like to call them the Super Spastic Blues 😂😂
I’d say int treeku was worse then lr bluegito 1: if you do actually get vegito on the field, it’s superbly “satisfying” 2: at the time, the last major vegito unit was str super vegito from 3 years prior Meanwhile int treeku, wasn’t just yet another base goku, he’s not even “satisfying” to try and use properly either
It’s a sad state of affairs when a hyped and decently good unit is held back by god awful transformation conditions. It’s either a health threshold you never want to be in/are never in, or needing a specific ally/enemy present (and I mean enemy, not a category).
@@legendaryred24 yeah, a busted transformation shouldn’t warrant an awful base form. Imo, the base version needs to work into its transformed version while still being capable of holding its own. Agl VB just makes me sad, like you said they’re not horrible, just absolutely wonky, but seeing a hyped card hitting for 4-5 mil attack a and that can’t tank for crap before transforming doesn’t give me high hopes. The risk shouldn’t heavily outweigh the reward.
@@windrider2190 they CAN tank though, even as of the most recent red zone stage on global being Golden Frieza, they can Tank Pre-transformation, they literally only need one turn to get set up, and with the units you usually run him with, that condition isn’t hard to do.
I mean an EZA could certainly save Treeku, Trunks, 17, and Omega with enough time. Let's hope GT bosses gets some help. 17 and Omega if they had nice EZAs could have some good synergy. Good video Red!
@@legendaryred24 and with how wonky their base form was, needing to work for that condition to get activated was one of the most nerve wracking things I’ve ever had to do. Something goes wrong like half the time
I find the Blue Bois tend to work better on the harder red zones that last much longer than 5-8 turns. The real reason they were such a problem, I think, is because at the time, we really didn't have a stage where they could truly shine. You'd either win before they were able to transform or they'd get you nuked at turn 5. I do think their base form is underpowered, especially losing any defensive capabilities they have (aside from dodge) after their 5th turn, and their transformation conditions are insanely strange, but they're not nearly as bad as people make them.out to be. I think the biggest problem is that they're too squishy to wanna leave out where they could get caught, meaning they end up as slot 2 or 3 fighters so you can stack their buffs, but then the passive runs out and by that late in the stage, they can get nuked almost instantly, even by normals. Obviously, the idea the devs were running with is that you want them to take damage after turn 5 so you can transform, but they can't transform until turn 7 at the earliest if they take damage in turn 5, meaning that even *if* they survive turn 5, you're in such a massive disadvantage that you may not even survive until turn 7. Their kit has the exact same problem as LR AGL UI Goku's revival skill pre-EZA. He was too squishy if he didn't dodge, so you put him in slots to avoid as many attacks as possible, but to meet his revival conditions, he *had* to be in slots with lots of attacks so he could get hit a few times. Even worse, the revival skill can't activate in the same turn the conditions were met, so if RNJesus wasn't on your side, he could get you nuked before you knew it. That didn't make UI Goku bad, but it did make him far less runnable than INT SSBE Vegeta purely because Vegeta's revival skill was so much easier to proc, and he was tankier than Goku. I think the Blue Bois are in the same position. With just a few minor tweaks, they could be so much better, but as it stands, they're too lopsided to be meta.
For sure again I like the Blue Boys especially in this longer meta since it is easier to see VB, but this is moreso off of what I see in the comments and how people are disappointed in the unit and the wonky transformation condition especially on release
I'm glad you opened up with omegalul midron. He was announced when I was on my way to work (at around 4 am). _Imagine my dissapointment when I saw his kit_
I can say that now ultihan, because yes, I still playing with him in my team, is different. Sometimes with right links charges a lot. With him I finished all the last events that came out
Honestly for the upcoming wwc im mostly hoping for part one to have a transformation gt ssj goku dokkan fest and for part 2 maybe a transformation gt baby that leads gt bosses while having a good kit there given gt bosses can be good it's just even the devs them selfs feel like they don't know what to do with that category in question.
Dokkan devs on their way to give a unit 200% lead to a worse category and make it restricted towards it. This reminds me of AGL LR super buu who was released with no apparent help to it's team with all it's allies being old and outdated. Only now did it get some good units. Very nice video analysis.
Not only Beastless gohan was... beastless, but as a Teq Gohan Enjoyer I'm BEYOND disappointed that blud here doesn't have dmg reduction support and don't worry guys, that would have been a perfectly reasonable buff
Great video as always, this is what I think of em in short: Omega -> Was super hyped, godly animations and ost but man the team SUCKSSSS. They need new units man. Tree Goku -> Disappointing, easy skip. Ill say one good about him, his Ultra SA being an aoe came in clutch some events due to having very good damage otherwise dreadful Vegito Blue -> Vegito is GODLY but getting to him is the biggest issue. As powercreep gets worse and worse this unit will get worse. But at least the leaderskill is pretty decent/good atm. Trunks -> Super disappointing hopefully eza fixes the kit so can be used. Fake Beast -> This was pretty good on release and I use him a bit BUT piccolo was MILES better and not beast was such a letdown. At least the active skill ost is one of the best in game. Raditz -> What a joke. I was hyped for this unit and was speechless. How Dokkan. At least like tree goku, being aoe helps in some events otherwise one of the worst units. Super 17 -> I enjoyed using him on release but he was defnitely lacking. The fact that the agl version is still better after all these years is insane. I wonder if SEZA will beat this unit's eza.
I wasn't playing Dokkan when Omega Shenron arrived, but when I returned and learned about him I was like: *again an awful kit? Ugh* But seriously great top, I agree. That whole Gohan situation will hardly ever be forgotten.
I remember I was on discord release night of AGL Vegito Blue. Me and a friend were talking about him and he said AGL Blues could hit 10mil no support. I kept proving him wrong, especially when he brought Bulma. I was never more annoyed to be right.
I feel like if LR ultimate gohan had the exact same kit and active skill, only changing his animations to be a standalone beast gohan, people would never consider him baf
Yeah, that's why I run full Dodge>AA on my AGL Blue duos and use them purely as a dodge tank. Their damage and horrible tankiness does not warrant building crit on them for hopes of getting Vegito Blue.
The thing with lr omega is that his he’s actually really good, but his kit rely’s on gt bosses which isn’t a good team. Once they add more good gt bosses characters, I see omega instantly jumping up to being a top unit
@@legendaryred24Doesn’t help that his banner unit (Heart Virus Goku) was far superior. I heard he could even handle the God of Destruction event when it was the hardest event in the game, too.
AGL trunks has it for me, AS WELL as STR super vegeta..... Looked so forward to building a team, and the animations were soooo amazing. Im glad SV got a really nice eza, and I'm patiently waiting for one of my favorite duos to be ran on a team finally
2:50 Disclaimer: This is not a AGL Fraudbois glaze session, this is just my observations as of recent I’ll be honest, I still sometimes use the glassbois on occasion, and as of recent, they have held up very well, and I’ve reliably managed to get their active conditions without too much stress or worry. I mean their still garbage before they fuse, that’s obvious, but I’ve seen them do pretty well in the buu saga red zone and the Dbs blue zone
for me LR Super Î Shinron isn't disappointing... because, ok, his team really sucks, but he can carry and he allowed GT Boss to get through some very tough events ! I don't call that disappointing
Just want to share my thought that LR STR Super Vegito doesn’t have a bad condition since most endgame content will do a lot of damage, imo 70% or less at turn 4 isn’t that bad as needing specific units to trigger, and if you can’t go below 70% health they will indeed stack their defense through the roof (And their aren’t half bad when they aren’t in Super Vegito state so it’s not a huge loss)
I don’t know if someone already asked the question. But Red, do you think that LR Phy Gohan is runnable alongside with the Beasthan? Even though there are flaws in his passive (I.e. no ki?) been running beast and phy and imo they work well together. But what are your thoughts?
9th year gogeta blue and Broly are little disappointing too imo cuz these two characters are the headliners of 9th anni but they hardly feel like it beast and 6th year EZAs are tier above
If WWDC is gt themed then let their be at least 2 or 3 gt bosses characters the last couple of big celebrations has had more super characters then extreme this will help the catagories so much and can be a cool way to get characters we haven't gotten in years
I pray for omega shenron to get a passive buff to remove the restrictions of his damage reduction for gt bosses and replace it with extreme class units, and for super class units to increase his dodge rate.
I still like AGL Trunks. Fire animations, idc if he's not very good, I just like running whatever characters I like for whatever team I feel like. For god's sake I'm probably the only person out here unironically running that SR PHY Supreme Kai of Time on my Time Travelers team. She's cute, don't judge me.
How to fix AGL goku and Vegeta: Activates the Entrance Animation (once only) and ATK&DEF +100% and guards all attacks for 7 turns from start of turn when there is another "Future Saga" or “Realm of Gods” Category ally on the team at start of character's attacking turn; Ki +3 and ATK & DEF +150%; plus an additional Ki +2 per Type Ki Sphere obtained; plus an additional ATK & DEF +50% and attacks effective against all Types when there is a "Realm of Gods" Category enemy; plus an additional DEF +150% and great chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 1st attacker in a turn; plus an additional ATK and DEF +100% and launches an 2 additional attacks that have a great chance of becoming a Super Attack as the 2nd or 3rd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack when Ki is 18 or more 12ki: Greatly Raises Atk, Raises def for 1 turn 18ki: Greatly Raises Def, Raises Atk for 1 turn Performs Potara Fusion; Can be activated when HP is 70% or less starting from the 3rd turn from the start of turn when there is another "Future Saga" or “Realm of Gods” Category ally attacking in the same turn or a "Future Saga" or “Space Traveling warriors” Category enemy starting from the 5th turn from the start of turn (once only) Ki +7 and ATK & DEF +250%; plus an additional Ki +2 per Ki Sphere obtained; attacks effective against all Types; reduces damage received by 40% before attacking; reduces damage received by 30%, great chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) and launches an additional attack that has a great chance of becoming a Super Attack as the 1st attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack and high chance of launching another additional Super Attack as the 2nd or 3rd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack when activating the Active Skill or when Ki is 18 or more; ATK&DEF +15% to all Allie’s when Ki is 24. 12Ki: Greatly Raises ATK&DEF for 1 turn 18Ki: Greatly Raises ATK&DEF for 3 turns Active: Can be activated when HP is 50% or less, or when an enemy, whose HP is 50% or less (once only)
@@YhwachTheAlmighty. All the fixes are great buff I think we can agree the biggest buff is the guard for 7 turns. Literally all he needs is the ability to guard until the 2nd part of their transformation can proc. Would be so much better
it would be awsome in the future that they release a transforming LR TEG SSJG Vegeta from the future saga in the manga that transforms into Super Saiyan Blue
For units in general with the passive of 'Attacks effective against all types' (Before LR PHYS Super Gogeta atleast), the damage is lacking. Especially for the harder content in the game imo. I'd rather they change this to the units guaranteed to crit, like with AGL Super Gogeta after he transformed. After certain conditions, crits rather than Effective Against All Types. But that's just me, I guess🤷🏽♂️
This is true, this is because Super Effective against all types is only a 1.5x multiplier and does not ignore defense, Crit is a 1.9x multiplier and ignores DEF
Sooner or later a gt celebration must be released. With so many units that still need to EZA are from gt. Teq syn shenron (who is actually lr omegas perfect partner when he EZA), ss4 gogeta, int ss vegeta, gt ss goku, str rildo, lr super 17. And alot more units. So imo wwc looks more likely to be gt. Preferably a baby unit with artificial lifeform lead just so i can run my goats majin buu on it.
for me the worst unit is definitely that 17, reading his kit gave me fucking whiplash the first time like someone was trying him make him awful on purpose, Omega could have been helped by other releases, Treeku being bad is whatever because there will be 1000 other Gokus but nothing was gonna help that 17 on release...CHANCE to get ki on hit really?!
No I definitely agree for sure, like I mentioned in the video like it is Goku who cares but the fact it was a Goku with 0 rep is kinda crazy lol. Omega yeah he can still be saved if WWDC isn’t GT then GG
I think you are missing the point here, this is not to say VB sucked especially on release. He was great, but his transformation condition and restrictions made it to where people were upset about him since he was very limited. People actually wanted to use Vegito Blue
@@legendaryred24 it is legit astonishing that teq transforming Vegeta wound up as Busted as he did. Like THAT’S a transformation that would make sense if the conditions were lame
I’ve recently gotten AGL Vegeta & Goku blue and my god what are people talking about. They are amazing! Have made so many more events way easier for me to clear and are a perfect partner for PHY Blue EvoKen & Teq Gods duo which whom will get an EZA on 10th anniversary. First things first I’m glad they have low DMG cause it allows us to stack a bit even tho I wish he stacked DEF on 12ki but is good for the Teq Gods who do way too much DMG for their own good to get the 3 stacks of def per a turn. I like these guys are a slot 1 50% dodge with 100% extra def. Works for units like the Teq gods & PHY EvoKen LR since they are slot 2s. Thus to maximize efficiency is full dodge and balance additional cause let’s be real you ain’t seeing Vegito that often so you build them with the blue duo in mind. Also since they only stack DEF on 18Ki no need to make additional a priority, make it dodge to improve the usages on slot 1 and don’t give crit for the earlier reason. Cause if your just one shotting the foes you gonna get blown out by the boss quicker in their harder phases, better to stall out and stack up def on your other units.
@@legendaryred24 Mhm, they are very good but not perfect. If I had it may way they would stack ATK & DEF, lower enemies ATK on 12Ki and do Greatly Raise DEF on 18Ki. That would help in so many other fights in the blue zone. I agree with everyone else in regards list. PHY Gohan is a little better now since he can hide behind STR Beast Gohan but I’ve haven’t got him still so I’ll reserve final judgement on him if I get him on WWC.
With Omega Shenron, I would agree that the unit is fantastic, until you realize he needs to be run on GT Bosses, which people could argue is the worst category in the game.
Dokkan really went you know whatd be great? a HIGH CHANCE TO OBTAIN KI WHEN HIT. they missed the mark so bad they accidentally shot themselves in the head
@@legendaryred24 its also sad how revolved omega is with gt bosses. if they wanted to restrict some of it then give him higher damage reduction with lower restricted damage reduction, albeit I can't think of a good gt bosses unit at the top of my head but at least he'd be runable on other teams
@@kiranikib42 exactly he should be carrying that team while also not having to rely on them. Omega would’ve been so much better if he wasn’t locked to that team
Omega Shenron has to be the worst offender of this. He took up baby's slot that year, and that made me mad, but... HE'S JUST SO GODDAMN COOL!!! WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GIVE HIM SUCH COOL AESTHETICS JUST FOR HIM TO BE SO ASS??? HE LITERALLY BECOMES THE AVATAR FOR HIS 18 KI, IT'S SO COOLLLLL HIS REVIVE BUFF AND HIS REVIVE IN GENERAL REVOLVES AROUND *HIM* DYING* AND THAT'S JUST SO FUCKING STUPID BECAUSE OF HOW HE'S DESIGNED TO BE THE BEST GT BOSS LEADER I honestly feel for the GT Worldwide Celebration copers.
Honestly... i dont even think an Eza would save the AGL VB the transformation condition is so bad lord knows what they would have to do to make them Viable
List is pretty much spot on. Omega man they screwed himHARD kn release. Released a pretty solid unit that has oh ya know probably the worst team in dokkan and must be run with them. Sometimes i wonder if the ones working on the release for these units is on heavy amounts of drugs.
@@legendaryred24 same. A couple good ezas and dfes would really help him out. Too bad they don't care about small categories like gt bosses otherworld warriors etc.
I genuinely think that Treeku might be the worst unit in the game. I know there are units that are objectively worse kit wise,but he has so much other determining factors that make him the worst. Hes recent,only being a year old,hes a dokkan fest LR and hes on movie heros,a really good team atm. He has all these things going for him,yet hes horrible in every way. He barely has a built in additional,he has no defense,the way he stacks damage sucks,and his leader skill is fodder. The only time you would ever use this dissapointment is on world tournament. I seriously dont know what dokkan was thinking. Who thought it was a good idea to have him buff his own defense and damage every time he ko's an opponet?? That is so horrendously bad. 3/10 unit because his animations are fire and i like the turles movie.
Hopefully we get new lr super baby vegeta /super 17 this WWC because this two really need and then super eza for gt bosses and eza for teq lr super 17 (I don't know if this guy can be saved with his eza but what we can do? There too little gt bosses) and the team will be good to go for a while with lr omega shenron
Real talk you could add another gt bosses character because str super 17 has always been mid and on dogshit teams with a shitty condition ill still love them tho but this category is actually a catastrophe
@@legendaryred24 nah I know just had to say the achievement 💪 though jokes aside really hoping WWDC is GT because imagine all the GT BOSSES ezas there's a LR a SEZA a bunch of sub ezas and countless other nicknacks even full out dual ezas like destined rivals again
I don’t get the hate on blue boys, imo they are amazing and find a place in every team I have. They dodge,reduce damage and stack….maybe cause I have them rainbowed I have a different experience but I love them and vegito is insane
There was never nothing wrong with Leasthan. They couldn’t say anything bad about him other than no transformation. Hell, his Ost alone makes up for than imo
Ight lemme clear this up about LR AGL VB, even if you manage to transform him, he still gets cooked. It’s crazy how much people cope for him to be as good as people think when he literally only has an atk/def stat of 250% in his passive. 50% damage reduction would be useful, but before transforming, def only stacks on 18 ki, and you would preferably float them so you don’t get blitzed. That alone already misses more def stacks, and by the time you transform, VB’s def stat is going to be really low. High chance to evade as the first attacker is a liability unless you have a whis active, but you can only use two of em in difficult events anyways, meaning you run out, VB gets cooked unless he evaded all attacks going to him. You basically have to be extra careful. Please stop defending AGL LR VB cuz he’s garbage.
AgL Vb is GaRbAgE even if you transform him source: I made it up. You know he can hit for 21 mil and have 2 mil defense spot super right? Bud can tank a good majority of the game just like that😂😂. Base form sure they suck, but saying AGL VB sucks is absolute copium lol. 50% DR and 50% slot 1 (make sure to build full dodge) then he supers 4 times and bam 2 mil defense. Like this is just your feelings taking over this ain’t facts chief
@@legendaryred24 Bro what? He barely gets to 500k defense before he gains 50% defense 6 times, where are you getting 2 mil defense from? Best he can do is eat normals but he gets cooked to a super. Just to test him out, he got cooked to blue zone beasthan’s super even being at slot 1 at 700k defense with his damage reduction. You’re literally coping at the fact that LR AGL Vegito blue is ass. Horrible ass take you got over this unit💀
@@legendaryred24 really not tho, the only way that trash ass LR is gonna hit those numbers you claim to get is by taking him to the rose Dokkan event and have the blue boys stack long enough for you to get to that acquired stat with TEQ UI’s domain, STR spirit bomb duo, lr bulma and STR Bardock/Gine. Stop coping for how that trash LR AGL VB is cuz by that logic of yours, INT SSJ4 Goku is godly still.
@@variations- ight buddy lol. Pushing SSJ4 agenda is the same thing as pushing VB💀. Bro just hates VB for no reason 😭. Can already tell my the way you talk about VB that you don’t know how to use him which is fine lol.
@@NekoinaBox2000 You mean beating the Boss who can be debuffed that’s crazy lol. Lets see how he and GT Bosses does against Beast💀. Literally cherry pick one fight that is super optimal for Omega and call it good when in every other fight he and GT Bosses get charbroiled
Sorry to ask that but i REALLY don't understand why Treeku is considered "bad". Like for real he does good damage and tanks well on the right type, so what's wrong with him? His name (base goku) can't be why he is bad right? He isn't top tier for sure but bad? I can't believe it.
You can’t run him in any top tier fights wdym lol. He had okay damage and can get caught super easily especially in fights with AOE’s. He won’t be able to tank any super from pretty much any of the new red zone bosses and he can’t even survive Gogeta’s post super normals but yeah he is definitely runnable…
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i swear dokkan fan worst fear is seeing amazing animations amazing ost then see the kit sucks the rest is history
@@JACQUEZ23 fr😭
Then there's the fear of bad eza's
@@Assadar5402 That is the worst fear as well because they are stuck like that for awhile as well
@@Assadar5402 Oh! Bardock's eza released, let's see what his new kit is!
Oh........
Good thing that Ezas in 2024 are significantly better than last year
“Reality is often disappointing”
These units are perfect examples of that statement
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Most of this is nitpicking if I’m being honest.
@@DefensiveQueen not really, everyone was mad Ulthan was not Beast like advertised, Omega has no team, Goku was god awful on release like it is facts not nitpicking 💀
High chance of Ki +1 with each attack received is truly the passive of all time
So bad
Who had that ability?
@@Gogeta_EditZ_123 LR Super 17
@@legendaryred24 thanks
i feel like people care about phy ulthan not being able to transform so much that it overshadows his overall animations which are still very good till this day. His active skill is still the best overall animation in the game imo.
@@Vegitoblue24 fr
also the fact his kit wasn't the greatest is important, especially compared to Piccolo at the time, but the fact remains is he was advertised as a Beast Gohan and he was not a Beast Gohan.
Yea but god I hate that he needs ki to get stronger but he has no way to get ki
@@kvab24 yeah that is fair
He gets hit by a super... and dies let alone some normals nuke him... he isn't good
I was so sad when Super 17 released. His passive was so bad, but his active skill with the jp dub was so great which is still one of the best in the game
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LR Turles Movie Goku is most definitely the single worst release of 2023. Maybe even in the game’s 9 and a half years history.
Edit: As for the AGL Blue duo, i like to call them the Super Spastic Blues 😂😂
He is so bad lol, Treeku that is
I’d say int treeku was worse then lr bluegito
1: if you do actually get vegito on the field, it’s superbly “satisfying”
2: at the time, the last major vegito unit was str super vegito from 3 years prior
Meanwhile int treeku, wasn’t just yet another base goku, he’s not even “satisfying” to try and use properly either
@@nachozacho1407 exactly
What about str jiren
No he's not you guys just suck at the game so u make him
0:19 bro gave us time to discuss with the person next to us
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Got that lr turles movie goku from 0% to 90% straight from gogetas banner with all that shaft.. i hate my life 😢
So much paiin
@@legendaryred24 😫
"I can make reality whatever i want it to be" someone working on omega prop
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It’s a sad state of affairs when a hyped and decently good unit is held back by god awful transformation conditions. It’s either a health threshold you never want to be in/are never in, or needing a specific ally/enemy present (and I mean enemy, not a category).
@@windrider2190 Just ruins the moment when they get revealed because everything is hyped until it all comes crashing down
@@legendaryred24 yeah, a busted transformation shouldn’t warrant an awful base form. Imo, the base version needs to work into its transformed version while still being capable of holding its own. Agl VB just makes me sad, like you said they’re not horrible, just absolutely wonky, but seeing a hyped card hitting for 4-5 mil attack a and that can’t tank for crap before transforming doesn’t give me high hopes. The risk shouldn’t heavily outweigh the reward.
@@windrider2190 exactly, I mention it all the time if Vegito Blue released as a standalone unit he would’ve been a top 10 unit before Tanabata
@@windrider2190 they CAN tank though, even as of the most recent red zone stage on global being Golden Frieza, they can Tank Pre-transformation, they literally only need one turn to get set up, and with the units you usually run him with, that condition isn’t hard to do.
6:51 the song😭😭💀
@@Aykapp 🤣
The stuff of nightmares
I mean an EZA could certainly save Treeku, Trunks, 17, and Omega with enough time. Let's hope GT bosses gets some help. 17 and Omega if they had nice EZAs could have some good synergy. Good video Red!
Fr, and thanks!
I mean… I DID beat *almost* every single red zone in the game using the blueberry boys… they can’t be THAT bad
@@NotFidy They aren’t but in most people’s eyes they were disappointing because you had to work for VB unlike most of the meta units
@@legendaryred24 and with how wonky their base form was, needing to work for that condition to get activated was one of the most nerve wracking things I’ve ever had to do. Something goes wrong like half the time
Ok, but which ones? SDBH RZ would be a lot less impressive than Future RZ, I need a bit of clarity on that statement
@@isaacwright6522 every single red zone fight besides kid buu (had to use items on dismal future red zone 3, 4 and 5)
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I find the Blue Bois tend to work better on the harder red zones that last much longer than 5-8 turns. The real reason they were such a problem, I think, is because at the time, we really didn't have a stage where they could truly shine. You'd either win before they were able to transform or they'd get you nuked at turn 5.
I do think their base form is underpowered, especially losing any defensive capabilities they have (aside from dodge) after their 5th turn, and their transformation conditions are insanely strange, but they're not nearly as bad as people make them.out to be.
I think the biggest problem is that they're too squishy to wanna leave out where they could get caught, meaning they end up as slot 2 or 3 fighters so you can stack their buffs, but then the passive runs out and by that late in the stage, they can get nuked almost instantly, even by normals.
Obviously, the idea the devs were running with is that you want them to take damage after turn 5 so you can transform, but they can't transform until turn 7 at the earliest if they take damage in turn 5, meaning that even *if* they survive turn 5, you're in such a massive disadvantage that you may not even survive until turn 7.
Their kit has the exact same problem as LR AGL UI Goku's revival skill pre-EZA. He was too squishy if he didn't dodge, so you put him in slots to avoid as many attacks as possible, but to meet his revival conditions, he *had* to be in slots with lots of attacks so he could get hit a few times. Even worse, the revival skill can't activate in the same turn the conditions were met, so if RNJesus wasn't on your side, he could get you nuked before you knew it. That didn't make UI Goku bad, but it did make him far less runnable than INT SSBE Vegeta purely because Vegeta's revival skill was so much easier to proc, and he was tankier than Goku. I think the Blue Bois are in the same position. With just a few minor tweaks, they could be so much better, but as it stands, they're too lopsided to be meta.
For sure again I like the Blue Boys especially in this longer meta since it is easier to see VB, but this is moreso off of what I see in the comments and how people are disappointed in the unit and the wonky transformation condition especially on release
@@legendaryred24also the animation is kinda bad if you compare them to other characters ( i can’t do better ) it’s a bit disappointing.
@@Imcool-qp7nb Nah I don’t mind the animations tbh
6:51 the goat himself
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I only pulled the fraud LR Agl duo only because of the versatile 150% super type leader skill
@@cloroxbleach5413 Such an underrated leader skill
Str hell fighter 17 and android 17 that go into super 17 should also get a mention
For sure
WE SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS!
I'm glad you opened up with omegalul midron. He was announced when I was on my way to work (at around 4 am).
_Imagine my dissapointment when I saw his kit_
So much pain... he has a chance to be redeemed but no GT for WWDC will be the end of Omega
Raditz is a unit that needed an EZA as soon as he was created
@@pikaandpizza lol fr
I can say that now ultihan, because yes, I still playing with him in my team, is different. Sometimes with right links charges a lot. With him I finished all the last events that came out
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It’s unfortunate that in both Dokkan and Legends the Saiyan Saga really doesn’t get the love that the other ones do.
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Honestly for the upcoming wwc im mostly hoping for part one to have a transformation gt ssj goku dokkan fest and for part 2 maybe a transformation gt baby that leads gt bosses while having a good kit there given gt bosses can be good it's just even the devs them selfs feel like they don't know what to do with that category in question.
Dokkan devs on their way to give a unit 200% lead to a worse category and make it restricted towards it.
This reminds me of AGL LR super buu who was released with no apparent help to it's team with all it's allies being old and outdated. Only now did it get some good units.
Very nice video analysis.
For real, Super Buu probably could’ve been on here as well but he was actually a decent unit on release even with no team. Thanks!
Not only Beastless gohan was... beastless, but as a Teq Gohan Enjoyer I'm BEYOND disappointed that blud here doesn't have dmg reduction support and don't worry guys, that would have been a perfectly reasonable buff
Fr
2:53 “we saiyans have limits”
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Great video as always, this is what I think of em in short:
Omega -> Was super hyped, godly animations and ost but man the team SUCKSSSS. They need new units man.
Tree Goku -> Disappointing, easy skip. Ill say one good about him, his Ultra SA being an aoe came in clutch some events due to having very good damage otherwise dreadful
Vegito Blue -> Vegito is GODLY but getting to him is the biggest issue. As powercreep gets worse and worse this unit will get worse. But at least the leaderskill is pretty decent/good atm.
Trunks -> Super disappointing hopefully eza fixes the kit so can be used.
Fake Beast -> This was pretty good on release and I use him a bit BUT piccolo was MILES better and not beast was such a letdown. At least the active skill ost is one of the best in game.
Raditz -> What a joke. I was hyped for this unit and was speechless. How Dokkan. At least like tree goku, being aoe helps in some events otherwise one of the worst units.
Super 17 -> I enjoyed using him on release but he was defnitely lacking. The fact that the agl version is still better after all these years is insane. I wonder if SEZA will beat this unit's eza.
I agree
I wasn't playing Dokkan when Omega Shenron arrived, but when I returned and learned about him I was like: *again an awful kit? Ugh*
But seriously great top, I agree. That whole Gohan situation will hardly ever be forgotten.
All of these guys truly deserve to get the EZA+Super EZA forms someday
Fr
I remember I was on discord release night of AGL Vegito Blue. Me and a friend were talking about him and he said AGL Blues could hit 10mil no support. I kept proving him wrong, especially when he brought Bulma. I was never more annoyed to be right.
@@JazzyDK5000 lol
I feel like if LR ultimate gohan had the exact same kit and active skill, only changing his animations to be a standalone beast gohan, people would never consider him baf
Yeah, that's why I run full Dodge>AA on my AGL Blue duos and use them purely as a dodge tank. Their damage and horrible tankiness does not warrant building crit on them for hopes of getting Vegito Blue.
Yeah I run the same build
Blue goku and Vegeta became such frauds that it's just became it's own meme.
Truly SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS 🗣️🔥
Man, phy raditz makes me so sad bc his anims and his OST are so good
Fr
Agl Vb is he bad yeah
But is he my legend yeah 🔥
@@androidgames6965 Lol
The thing with lr omega is that his he’s actually really good, but his kit rely’s on gt bosses which isn’t a good team. Once they add more good gt bosses characters, I see omega instantly jumping up to being a top unit
He is good, that’s what I was saying but he can’t be good unless he can be on a GT Bosses team that does not destroyed by a flee
Also btw agl trunks was actually amazing on realese its just esbr was to short for his transformation to happen
@@JustBagon He was good on release but no one liked how bad his SSJ form was. Even tho you could debuff the enemies he still was so restricted
@@legendaryred24Doesn’t help that his banner unit (Heart Virus Goku) was far superior.
I heard he could even handle the God of Destruction event when it was the hardest event in the game, too.
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 I still use Heart Virus Goku to this day, he’s that good lol
@@legendaryred24Damn even a goku with probably stage 4 heart cancer is better than broly’s princess.
LR int Goku is definitely the unit of all time. He’s able to beat the hardest event in the game, the quest mode
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@@legendaryred24 I mean he also kinda works in the train with saibamen event but that events extremely easy
@@doomiseternal201 Yeah… I mean if you are saying his peak is that event then he is beyond trash😭
@@legendaryred24 basically💀🙏
The problem with lr omega agl: HE DONT HAVE A TEAM
@@r0dr4r fr
AGL trunks has it for me, AS WELL as STR super vegeta..... Looked so forward to building a team, and the animations were soooo amazing. Im glad SV got a really nice eza, and I'm patiently waiting for one of my favorite duos to be ran on a team finally
Holy beasthan was something else
The biggest gripe with the agl blue bros/ vegito is that they don’t heal when the fuse AND IT TAKES WAY TOO LONG to transform
The no heal is a huge L won’t lie
2:50 Disclaimer: This is not a AGL Fraudbois glaze session, this is just my observations as of recent
I’ll be honest, I still sometimes use the glassbois on occasion, and as of recent, they have held up very well, and I’ve reliably managed to get their active conditions without too much stress or worry. I mean their still garbage before they fuse, that’s obvious, but I’ve seen them do pretty well in the buu saga red zone and the Dbs blue zone
@@Armored_Bro I agree for sure, they are much better than people give them credit for but they are fairly wonky due how bad the base form is
I usually put them on Future teams, that seams to work the best for me.
for me LR Super Î Shinron isn't disappointing... because, ok, his team really sucks, but he can carry and he allowed GT Boss to get through some very tough events ! I don't call that disappointing
He is when he does not have a team. He’s a great unit but no one can use him…
I don't feel bad for the villans cause i root against them every day, but the hero's not being op low-key hurts me 😢
Bro got the raditz theme off temu dawg💀
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Watch phy Raditz eza hit like 10 mln views or something that will be wild
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Just want to share my thought that LR STR Super Vegito doesn’t have a bad condition since most endgame content will do a lot of damage, imo 70% or less at turn 4 isn’t that bad as needing specific units to trigger, and if you can’t go below 70% health they will indeed stack their defense through the roof (And their aren’t half bad when they aren’t in Super Vegito state so it’s not a huge loss)
Hot take Lr agl omega has the best intro theme
Nah I think that is a correct take, both the theme and the actual intro is so fire.
I don’t know if someone already asked the question. But Red, do you think that LR Phy Gohan is runnable alongside with the Beasthan? Even though there are flaws in his passive (I.e. no ki?) been running beast and phy and imo they work well together. But what are your thoughts?
@@ZeroArcSnow absolutely he can still get caught but he is so much better next to him
@@legendaryred24I mean I ran him with the Hybrid Saiyans mission and he did fine.
I’m glad beastless Gohan was a flop because I don’t think beast would be as overpowered as he is without ultimate Gohan getting the backlash
9th year gogeta blue and Broly are little disappointing too imo cuz these two characters are the headliners of 9th anni but they hardly feel like it beast and 6th year EZAs are tier above
@@Aloviya fr
If WWDC is gt themed then let their be at least 2 or 3 gt bosses characters the last couple of big celebrations has had more super characters then extreme this will help the catagories so much and can be a cool way to get characters we haven't gotten in years
Exactly
Lr phy gohan is actually doing pretty well with some 9yr anniversary content.
For sure, but this referring to on release
I pray for omega shenron to get a passive buff to remove the restrictions of his damage reduction for gt bosses and replace it with extreme class units, and for super class units to increase his dodge rate.
Would have to be on EZA
@@legendaryred24srsly though, omega shenron is one of my favorite dbz characters, they better not mess up his Eza sometime in the 2026 or 2027
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I still like AGL Trunks. Fire animations, idc if he's not very good, I just like running whatever characters I like for whatever team I feel like. For god's sake I'm probably the only person out here unironically running that SR PHY Supreme Kai of Time on my Time Travelers team.
She's cute, don't judge me.
How to fix AGL goku and Vegeta:
Activates the Entrance Animation (once only) and ATK&DEF +100% and guards all attacks for 7 turns from start of turn when there is another "Future Saga" or “Realm of Gods” Category ally on the team at start of character's attacking turn; Ki +3 and ATK & DEF +150%; plus an additional Ki +2 per Type Ki Sphere obtained; plus an additional ATK & DEF +50% and attacks effective against all Types when there is a "Realm of Gods" Category enemy; plus an additional DEF +150% and great chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 1st attacker in a turn; plus an additional ATK and DEF +100% and launches an 2 additional attacks that have a great chance of becoming a Super Attack as the 2nd or 3rd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack when Ki is 18 or more
12ki: Greatly Raises Atk, Raises def for 1 turn
18ki: Greatly Raises Def, Raises Atk for 1 turn
Performs Potara Fusion; Can be activated when HP is 70% or less starting from the 3rd turn from the start of turn when there is another "Future Saga" or “Realm of Gods” Category ally attacking in the same turn or a "Future Saga" or “Space Traveling warriors” Category enemy starting from the 5th turn from the start of turn (once only)
Ki +7 and ATK & DEF +250%; plus an additional Ki +2 per Ki Sphere obtained; attacks effective against all Types; reduces damage received by 40% before attacking; reduces damage received by 30%, great chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) and launches an additional attack that has a great chance of becoming a Super Attack as the 1st attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack and high chance of launching another additional Super Attack as the 2nd or 3rd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack when activating the Active Skill or when Ki is 18 or more; ATK&DEF +15% to all Allie’s when Ki is 24.
12Ki: Greatly Raises ATK&DEF for 1 turn
18Ki: Greatly Raises ATK&DEF for 3 turns
Active: Can be activated when HP is 50% or less, or when an enemy, whose HP is 50% or less (once only)
@@YhwachTheAlmighty. All the fixes are great buff I think we can agree the biggest buff is the guard for 7 turns. Literally all he needs is the ability to guard until the 2nd part of their transformation can proc. Would be so much better
The worst part about vb is that he has a very good lead it’s a shame that couldn’t give him better conditions
Fr
it would be awsome in the future that they release a transforming LR TEG SSJG Vegeta from the future saga in the manga that transforms into Super Saiyan Blue
Fr
I always loved Gohan LR end
@@Wunde lol fr
For units in general with the passive of 'Attacks effective against all types' (Before LR PHYS Super Gogeta atleast), the damage is lacking. Especially for the harder content in the game imo. I'd rather they change this to the units guaranteed to crit, like with AGL Super Gogeta after he transformed. After certain conditions, crits rather than Effective Against All Types. But that's just me, I guess🤷🏽♂️
This is true, this is because Super Effective against all types is only a 1.5x multiplier and does not ignore defense, Crit is a 1.9x multiplier and ignores DEF
WE SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS 🗣️
Yessirrrr
Sooner or later a gt celebration must be released. With so many units that still need to EZA are from gt. Teq syn shenron (who is actually lr omegas perfect partner when he EZA), ss4 gogeta, int ss vegeta, gt ss goku, str rildo, lr super 17. And alot more units. So imo wwc looks more likely to be gt. Preferably a baby unit with artificial lifeform lead just so i can run my goats majin buu on it.
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for me the worst unit is definitely that 17, reading his kit gave me fucking whiplash the first time like someone was trying him make him awful on purpose, Omega could have been helped by other releases, Treeku being bad is whatever because there will be 1000 other Gokus but nothing was gonna help that 17 on release...CHANCE to get ki on hit really?!
No I definitely agree for sure, like I mentioned in the video like it is Goku who cares but the fact it was a Goku with 0 rep is kinda crazy lol. Omega yeah he can still be saved if WWDC isn’t GT then GG
3:08 lr agl vb is op lots of cry but got them i have them at 55% and i have defeat every single difficult event in game with them
I think you are missing the point here, this is not to say VB sucked especially on release. He was great, but his transformation condition and restrictions made it to where people were upset about him since he was very limited. People actually wanted to use Vegito Blue
@@legendaryred24 holy shit he actually read my comment
At least Super 17 left us a legendary quote
@@connorst184 😭
While I will once more say Corrupt Zamasu’s transform condition is fair. Dokkan treats dang near every transformation is so funky
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@@legendaryred24 it is legit astonishing that teq transforming Vegeta wound up as Busted as he did. Like THAT’S a transformation that would make sense if the conditions were lame
@@sharifrowe7812 fr
I’ve recently gotten AGL Vegeta & Goku blue and my god what are people talking about. They are amazing! Have made so many more events way easier for me to clear and are a perfect partner for PHY Blue EvoKen & Teq Gods duo which whom will get an EZA on 10th anniversary. First things first I’m glad they have low DMG cause it allows us to stack a bit even tho I wish he stacked DEF on 12ki but is good for the Teq Gods who do way too much DMG for their own good to get the 3 stacks of def per a turn. I like these guys are a slot 1 50% dodge with 100% extra def. Works for units like the Teq gods & PHY EvoKen LR since they are slot 2s. Thus to maximize efficiency is full dodge and balance additional cause let’s be real you ain’t seeing Vegito that often so you build them with the blue duo in mind. Also since they only stack DEF on 18Ki no need to make additional a priority, make it dodge to improve the usages on slot 1 and don’t give crit for the earlier reason. Cause if your just one shotting the foes you gonna get blown out by the boss quicker in their harder phases, better to stall out and stack up def on your other units.
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 I agree, they are much better than people say they are, but most are disappointed
@@legendaryred24 Mhm, they are very good but not perfect. If I had it may way they would stack ATK & DEF, lower enemies ATK on 12Ki and do Greatly Raise DEF on 18Ki. That would help in so many other fights in the blue zone. I agree with everyone else in regards list. PHY Gohan is a little better now since he can hide behind STR Beast Gohan but I’ve haven’t got him still so I’ll reserve final judgement on him if I get him on WWC.
@@alastorthedemonslayer4257 for sure
5:23 missed opportunity to call him fraudhan
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With Omega Shenron, I would agree that the unit is fantastic, until you realize he needs to be run on GT Bosses, which people could argue is the worst category in the game.
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I guess many people though we got beast gohan when bandie post beast and orange pickle
@@iamminh0519 😭
What suck for lr vegito blue is the damage, he can do a lot of super but low damage
Not in VB, but in base sure
Omega honestly isn't bad, he's amazing even, completely indestructible, hits like a truck, good links, just his team sucks...
@@CainDB yeah, that’s the most disappointing thing tbh. The fact that he is very good but is held back by an awful team 💀
Dokkan really went you know whatd be great? a HIGH CHANCE TO OBTAIN KI WHEN HIT. they missed the mark so bad they accidentally shot themselves in the head
Honestly insane how bad that ability is lol.
@@legendaryred24 its also sad how revolved omega is with gt bosses. if they wanted to restrict some of it then give him higher damage reduction with lower restricted damage reduction, albeit I can't think of a good gt bosses unit at the top of my head but at least he'd be runable on other teams
@@kiranikib42 exactly he should be carrying that team while also not having to rely on them. Omega would’ve been so much better if he wasn’t locked to that team
@@legendaryred24 yup and now he will probably not be usable until his eza on september 23 2027
@@kiranikib42 😭
1:20 is super 17 not on there???
He is but he came out before Omega
fun fact omega when wwc and we have gt bosses he will be good in all events and tank almost all super and all basic
@@metal99010 exactly which is why I hope it is GT, otherwise… he’s cooked
Bardock AGL eza and Goku Black (not the LR) INT eza are very good. :)
Huh💀
Omega Shenron has to be the worst offender of this.
He took up baby's slot that year, and that made me mad, but...
HE'S JUST SO GODDAMN COOL!!! WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GIVE HIM SUCH COOL AESTHETICS JUST FOR HIM TO BE SO ASS??? HE LITERALLY BECOMES THE AVATAR FOR HIS 18 KI, IT'S SO COOLLLLL
HIS REVIVE BUFF AND HIS REVIVE IN GENERAL REVOLVES AROUND *HIM* DYING* AND THAT'S JUST SO FUCKING STUPID BECAUSE OF HOW HE'S DESIGNED TO BE THE BEST GT BOSS LEADER
I honestly feel for the GT Worldwide Celebration copers.
Omega Shenron had so much potential man, if GT is WWDC Omega is saved
You did my suggestion :D
@@Mintplayz-m8gYessirrrr🫡
Honestly... i dont even think an Eza would save the AGL VB the transformation condition is so bad lord knows what they would have to do to make them Viable
@@macnologia3884 well yeah they can’t fix the condition but they can buff the intro
The Revive animation ☠️
@@goldendestiny_ 😭
Man, TUR Super #17 was a fumble, his animations were goated, the card design, but he was so mid its aad
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List is pretty much spot on. Omega man they screwed himHARD kn release. Released a pretty solid unit that has oh ya know probably the worst team in dokkan and must be run with them. Sometimes i wonder if the ones working on the release for these units is on heavy amounts of drugs.
Fr, just wish he had a proper team to go on
@@legendaryred24 same. A couple good ezas and dfes would really help him out. Too bad they don't care about small categories like gt bosses otherworld warriors etc.
I dont think Super Vegito has that bad of a transformation requirement, but i will agree that other unit has some pretty terrible ones
We are talking about Vegito Blue not Super Vegito
@@legendaryred24 I thought you mentioned him in the section where you were complaining about the transformation conditions for worldwide.
I genuinely think that Treeku might be the worst unit in the game. I know there are units that are objectively worse kit wise,but he has so much other determining factors that make him the worst. Hes recent,only being a year old,hes a dokkan fest LR and hes on movie heros,a really good team atm. He has all these things going for him,yet hes horrible in every way. He barely has a built in additional,he has no defense,the way he stacks damage sucks,and his leader skill is fodder. The only time you would ever use this dissapointment is on world tournament. I seriously dont know what dokkan was thinking. Who thought it was a good idea to have him buff his own defense and damage every time he ko's an opponet?? That is so horrendously bad. 3/10 unit because his animations are fire and i like the turles movie.
@@Dr.Loudpack fr the worst part is they wasted good animations on a card like this while we have TEQ MUI who is very good but has mid animations 😭
To be fair omega wasnt a disappointment he just got hoed becausevthry gave him no team to run around judt like agl frieza this year
Yeah and that’s exactly the point made, Omega himself is very good, but the disappointing factor is him being locked exclusively to GT Bosses
this kinda out of topic but when the hell will they eza lr teq gogeta
He came out late year 6 so sometime later this year or most likely 10th anniversary
Hopefully we get new lr super baby vegeta /super 17 this WWC because this two really need and then super eza for gt bosses and eza for teq lr super 17 (I don't know if this guy can be saved with his eza but what we can do? There too little gt bosses) and the team will be good to go for a while with lr omega shenron
It would be very needed
Real talk you could add another gt bosses character because str super 17 has always been mid and on dogshit teams with a shitty condition ill still love them tho but this category is actually a catastrophe
@@thecoomer6574 true
I hate they give that amazing active skill animation to the ultimate gohan and not Beast
Ikr😭
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Ay yo wtf?
How is PHY Raditz bad, the Chad fought the farmer and surrender when he knew he was beat.
@@YhwachTheAlmighty. true you right 😤. Won’t do it again🫡
Damn so you was just not gonna tell us why INT LR Spirit Bomb Goku is bad? 💀
@@bben9-kun597 it is moreso to be inferred tbh. But he just could not handle any of the hard content
Just destroyed str gogeta with omega shenron 55% no items my goat is NOT WASHED
Never said he was washed I said he will be if he doesn’t get a team soon
@@legendaryred24 nah I know just had to say the achievement 💪 though jokes aside really hoping WWDC is GT because imagine all the GT BOSSES ezas there's a LR a SEZA a bunch of sub ezas and countless other nicknacks even full out dual ezas like destined rivals again
@@alimabdo5157 GT Bosses would be on🔝
I don’t get the hate on blue boys, imo they are amazing and find a place in every team I have. They dodge,reduce damage and stack….maybe cause I have them rainbowed I have a different experience but I love them and vegito is insane
@@Josepht1993 fr
lr phy ultimate gohan isnt even that bad, he can tank some attacks and links well with beast so i use him ALOT actually
Oh no for sure I agree, but moreso now. Beast helps him out way more, but on release he was meh
There was never nothing wrong with Leasthan. They couldn’t say anything bad about him other than no transformation. Hell, his Ost alone makes up for than imo
Don't think OST makes up for a unit that had horrible weaknesses
Ight lemme clear this up about LR AGL VB, even if you manage to transform him, he still gets cooked. It’s crazy how much people cope for him to be as good as people think when he literally only has an atk/def stat of 250% in his passive. 50% damage reduction would be useful, but before transforming, def only stacks on 18 ki, and you would preferably float them so you don’t get blitzed. That alone already misses more def stacks, and by the time you transform, VB’s def stat is going to be really low. High chance to evade as the first attacker is a liability unless you have a whis active, but you can only use two of em in difficult events anyways, meaning you run out, VB gets cooked unless he evaded all attacks going to him. You basically have to be extra careful. Please stop defending AGL LR VB cuz he’s garbage.
AgL Vb is GaRbAgE even if you transform him source: I made it up. You know he can hit for 21 mil and have 2 mil defense spot super right? Bud can tank a good majority of the game just like that😂😂. Base form sure they suck, but saying AGL VB sucks is absolute copium lol. 50% DR and 50% slot 1 (make sure to build full dodge) then he supers 4 times and bam 2 mil defense. Like this is just your feelings taking over this ain’t facts chief
@@legendaryred24 Bro what? He barely gets to 500k defense before he gains 50% defense 6 times, where are you getting 2 mil defense from? Best he can do is eat normals but he gets cooked to a super. Just to test him out, he got cooked to blue zone beasthan’s super even being at slot 1 at 700k defense with his damage reduction. You’re literally coping at the fact that LR AGL Vegito blue is ass. Horrible ass take you got over this unit💀
@@variations- Bro is not running the optimal team😭, guarantee you are running no domain, no support and an awful partner
@@legendaryred24 really not tho, the only way that trash ass LR is gonna hit those numbers you claim to get is by taking him to the rose Dokkan event and have the blue boys stack long enough for you to get to that acquired stat with TEQ UI’s domain, STR spirit bomb duo, lr bulma and STR Bardock/Gine. Stop coping for how that trash LR AGL VB is cuz by that logic of yours, INT SSJ4 Goku is godly still.
@@variations- ight buddy lol. Pushing SSJ4 agenda is the same thing as pushing VB💀. Bro just hates VB for no reason 😭. Can already tell my the way you talk about VB that you don’t know how to use him which is fine lol.
Huh. Beating the hardest events thanks to omega says otherwise.
@@NekoinaBox2000 You mean beating the Boss who can be debuffed that’s crazy lol. Lets see how he and GT Bosses does against Beast💀. Literally cherry pick one fight that is super optimal for Omega and call it good when in every other fight he and GT Bosses get charbroiled
Sorry to ask that but i REALLY don't understand why Treeku is considered "bad". Like for real he does good damage and tanks well on the right type, so what's wrong with him? His name (base goku) can't be why he is bad right? He isn't top tier for sure but bad? I can't believe it.
You can’t run him in any top tier fights wdym lol. He had okay damage and can get caught super easily especially in fights with AOE’s. He won’t be able to tank any super from pretty much any of the new red zone bosses and he can’t even survive Gogeta’s post super normals but yeah he is definitely runnable…
@@legendaryred24 Yea sure i get he is bad NOW but was he on release? I played him sometimes and he was ok at least.
@@nexyosama8824 He could not handle Red Zone Syn, or Cell Max or Red Zone Broly so yes
@@legendaryred24 Oh ok i see. Thanks for answering me then :) I guess i was biaised because i like the card a lot lol. Have a nice day :D
@@nexyosama8824 you too! Also yeah he is a fun card don’t get me wrong but so many things went wrong for this card
Alg vegito blue used be at 69 then rainbow this anniversary no red coins 3:54
Niceee