Okay, I’m going to have to rewatch this video, as I was totally distracted at the 5:30 minute mark when your dog dropped a deuce in the background. Lol 😆 😂
I have had my Kubota L3031 with the 3 cylinder diesel since 2004 and it is still going strong. I run it full on when snow blowing all winter and that is 3 hours each time at 2 to 3 times a week for 4 months and sometimes more. That is just winter, there is the rest of the year as well. It has never let me down and it is now 23 years old.
As an AG tech of 35 years Kubota ,Yanmar & shibaura ( used in older ford /newholland compact tractors)very simmaler to a kubota in design , make the best small diesel tractor engines in my opinion. Many companies make a great engine but these i mentioned I have seen with massive hours and little to no internal problems.
My brother was a master mechanic for New Holland for years, he said the Shibaura made tractors were basically bulletproof, just don’t put a 3 point hitch backhoe on it.
A buddy of mine has been a John Deere heavy equipment salesman for 35 years. He sold a new end loader to a paper mill in northern Wisconsin. 10 years later the paper mill wanted to trade that loader in on a new machine. That loader had 46,000 hours on it without a rebuild. The most hours my buddy has ever seen on a machine.
A similar topic for tractor transmissions and types of transmissions would be great too ! Your videos are awesome, I recommend your channel to all the new tractor folks.
I really like the Kukje (Now Branson/TYM) A-series engine, that was built for Cummins by Kukje Machinery. Still with Tier 4 they use mechanical injection with no common rail ECU, mine is a A2300N4 and a really pleasant engine.
Mike, I’m a weekend farmer like you said. I have a 2020 Massey 2706E 60 HP. I use it for food plots and some maintenance around my farm. I have 115 hours on it so I think your right about having it for a long time. I was told the Shibaura engine was a very reliable Japanese engine. So far so good , but I’m no expert. NO REGEN which is awesome. I don’t know why… my 34 HP Massey did!
I'd agree though i'd add to always keep good tabs on Air Filters and Heat. Don't let them get overheated, these little engines usually don't handle it. ( head damage or worse ), keep the radiator and air filter clean, make sure air cleaner hose never gets any cracks/holes. 3 quickest ways to destroy an engine, Oil, Dirt ingest, overheat.
I have a 5310 4WD with 541 Front end Loader. Bought new in 2000. I have plowed, disced, mowed, cleared land, pushed pretty good size trees, dug stock tanks, dug post holes, pushed and carried dirt. Pushed miles of snow during the winter, carried round bells through radiator deep snow to feed my cows. I have kept the oil changed always on schedule. I make sure i use good fuel and change fuel filters regularly. I wash out the radiator always after mowing. Always grease it up when i am going to work it hard all day. Kept good air pressure in the tires. Just tred real hard to take care of it and i have never had a mechanical problem with it. I changed out the belt and radiator hoses at 20 years old. Couldn't be happier with a tractor.
I really enjoy your videos ! I am a retired home builder and bought a 4520 JD utility tractor back in 2005 ( 53 hp power reverser, loader ) I now have about 1800 hrs on it and have only put a starter and belt on it since It was bought. I use a 90" woods finish mower on about 15 acres hobby place in northeast Arkansas . I regularly grease and change oil every year. This has be a really good tractor for me while using it to do finish grading around homes built and slab preparation work. I have seen comments on other forums which say that an engine might last 6-8000 hrs but am kinda skeptical about that. I guess it all depends on use and maintenance and care. I have a friend who bought same tractor same time I did and his tractor looks like an antique, beat up, faded, bent, cracked fenders, etc. I always believed in being good stewards of whatever you own and it makes them last and look good for many more years. Anyway really enjoy all your videos. They have really helped me to think about safety and maintencance on my tractor. I have watched many of them several times
Never thought about why my BRAND NEW 3039R cab loaded with every option available has the regen where diesel fuel is pumped into a catalyst I guess where all the suit is held ? And the first season using this Machine it "burned" just over two quarts of engine oil ! And had 6 regeneration throughout the summer ! I know about 10 acres with it. Split wood maintain my gravel driveway etc. Just over 300 hours first year ! Second Year ONLY 1 regen and NOT any oil needed !! Not burning any oil ! So never thought for a second about break in time on a new tractor engine !! And not one word from my dealer about this break in time ! Great video Mike !
Liked your comment on the Shibaura engine. I have a 2011 Case cvt 45 with the Shibaura engine. Runs great and start good in the winter!I live in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
I have a 1988 White Field Boss 37 that still runs strong. The only issue is the injector pump leaks fuel due to failed o-rings. I have had no luck finding parts or someone willing to rebuild to fix issue. Great tractor for my uses.
I love my Shibaura made New Holland TC29D with 1425 hours. Great engines, still made and sold as Cat C0.5 through C2.2 and the Perkins 400 series. hard to beat them.
My older NH TC-40 had a 4 cylinder Shibaura engine in it.I recently sold it an accuired a NH Workmaster 40 with a LS LC-319 3 cylinder in it,so far no problems.Shibaura makes great engines.
The 2 cylinder Shibaura LE892 engine in my 1981 Ford 1700 is rock solid. It’s been through a water pump and set of injectors, plus routine valve adjustment, but that’s it in 40+ years. The only thing I dislike about it is the vibration compared to a 3 cylinder of the same horsepower. However, that 2 cylinder has a unique sound compared to a 3 cylinder engine, and it makes me smile every time I fire it up. My grandfather bought the tractor new in early 1982, so I grew up with it. He passed away last year, and I may never be able to part with that tractor. Lots of memories with it, plus I learned how to operate a tractor from him on that Ford 1700.
I can't speak for new equipment but in my experience from the old days two best engines I ever ran was a three cylinder Perkins that was in Ford tractors had a couple of them over the years. The other was the 2/71 GM diesel in a old Alis Chalmers HD 5 dozer . That little engine just screamed with power and toughest engine I have ever encountered in a lifetime of running heavy equipment.
I don't have experience with maintenance or longevity of GM (Detroit) diesels, but from my interest and researching them, they are awesome engines. Their torque fits in a narrow band of RPM, but rev them up, keep them oiled, and adjust the mechanical rack throttle system and it explains why engines made 50-60 years ago are still in operation. The 2-71 is of particular interest because it powered the decommissioned gensets from reefer rail cars, and were resold by a company out of Pocatello, ID for gensets in industry, homesteads, etc. Sadly, the EPA, and diminishing supplies of rebuildable stock makes the 2-71, and other pre-emission GMs, forced into obsolescence. All to "save the planet." Gimme a break. Some of the best, most reliable diesels have GM on them...simple, mechanical, no fancy electronics, exactly what ruins the reliability and ability to DIY today's industrial engines. Sorry, a bit of a soapbox, but we are squeezing out our options for reasons made up.
I know that my cousin's Case 2870 does not fit your horsepower but that Swedish 300 horsepower engine with 18000+ hours without a rebuild is still running strong. He also maintains every thing
I recently did a first 50hr service on on my Kioti D4210. I was amazed at how clean the oil was when I drained it. It looked practically new and clean. It was completely different with both my Kubota BX and RTV X1100C. These engines turned the oil black after a hours use. I attributed this to the tolerances of the Teir 4 engine in the Kioti,
I have seen diesels of every power size that have lived long lives My 1957 Farmall 350 diesel has around 17,000 hours on its 3rd rebuild. I know Rail yards running Kubota RTVs getting 6000 hours, and some Deutz irrigator units going 8000 hours . With good upkeep and parts there is a good chance to keep any engine running . Most people with compact tractors might get 1500 hours over a decent time of years
There are certain vehicles that advertise a specific break-in routine (Polaris UTV/ATV's come to mind, but that's probably more for belt wear than engine). I made the mistake of driving a brand new 1973 Audi 100LS from Homestead AFB to Atlanta almost non-stop at a constant interstate speed, and that rascal burn oil like a locomotive for its lifetime. However the engines of today, as you alluded to, are designed and manufactured to much higher tolerances. I've owned three new Kubota products, and in each case when I asked about a break-in I was advised to "drive it like you stole it."
Just add some variability to the dialog... I have an International 284 that has British, Canadian, US, and Japanese major components. The 28hp +/- Mazda gas engine has been running trouble free for 42+ years. So far, if I go out to start it, no matter the season, it goes. I think you're right Mike, a reasonably operated, well maintained engine will probably out last many of us.😊
We had a Massey Ferguson with a Perkins in it. That tractor really took a beating from day one. 10000 hours change the oil every 2 years weather it needed it or not
We have two generators powered by Perkins engines at our electrical test lab. We work them hard and they just keep chugging. They are loud and the vibrate but they just keep working.
Running a 1999 Volvo wheel loader with Perkins motor on our dairy farm currently 21000 hours on it, overhauled the motor when it had around 11000 hours on it!
I think you’re probably right for the vast majority if not all current production tractor engines. One thing I would like to add is the fact that engines today are manufactured to much tighter tolerances because of the advent of CNC machines where it’s possible to hold tolerances to a few ten-thousandths of an inch. That certainly keeps them well balanced and vibration free and probably adds greatly to their service life.
As a tractor and diesel equipment tech for 40 years I can say without reserve that the sisu engines offered in the older Valtra tractors were the very best diesel engines ever made! While I have never owned one these machines,I have seen two of these tractors with 25000+ hours with 0 engine downtime.they were truly the Toyota of farm tractors!they are now part of the Agco stable and have Perkins engines.A good reliable power source but not in the same league as the Sisu engine!
I have a very interesting and funny story for you. So, I own a brand new 2022 John Deere 3046R. Get this...I just took it in to get a back hoe installed and they found a leak. Now, it was close to the drive shaft so they said no big deal, lets order the seals and replace those under warranty. Turns out, it was a one in ten-thousand pin hole in the aluminum casting of the engine transmission pan. Now, not a big deal and I am really glad they found it. What the dealer did tell me was there was a popular brand out there, not JG, that had the same issue with their engines...but it turned out to be 1 in 100. There were about 14 of this other brand tractor, in this province alone, where the whole tractor split right in half as the owner was driving it. The funny thing is, yes you're correct they do make incredibly great engines now except nowadays they are also efficient and finding ways to cut costs.
Thanks, Mike, for the info. I'll be curious as to the longer term reliability and performance of the engine in my tractor. I have a 2018 LS 3 cylinder L3C19, made by LS. Just prior to this model, LS was using Shibaura diesels, which regened every 5 hours. The LS is an unknown entity to me, unlike Yanmar, Kubota, Deutz, Perkins, etc. We'll see. Up till now, 300hrs, it's been flawless!!
In the past I've had a Kubota DT305. I must say that I was impressed with the power & dependability of the Kubota diesel engine. I currently have a John Deere 4600 with a Yanmar diesel engine in it. Yet another diesel compact tractor engine that I've been impressed with. You're right, as the so called "Hobby Farmer" that I am, we don't really put a lot of hours on a tractor each year. After having a compact tractor with a loader on it, I wouldn't want to be without one now days.
My 1998 Massey Ferguson 1215 subcompact has an 18hp Iseki engine. Engine still runs great and actually still looks almost new visually, only filter and oil changes.
I think your appraisals are spot on . Todays engines are all good . Although I think regulators need to look beyond their statistics and understand that agricultural engines are not the main polluters even though they are low tech . Loose tolerance agri engines are a good thing . And we don’t fix what ain’t broke.
I had a John Deere 950 started ticking and threw a rod clean through the block just a few seconds after the ticking started fresh oil and up to level it had 2,000 hrs on it ... Neighbor had a John Deere 850 it blew a head gasket at 450 hours I've got a Mitsubishi 1801D what 10,000 hours on it still goin' strong
When I first got my tractor from the dealer (McCormick) I wanted to baby it so much. But after seeing some of Mikes other videos about needing to work and wear in a new engine, I decided against it. I went right to work bush hogging my field, and then right into winter with moving snow. My tractor sits for a month or so at a time just because between winter and summer, grounds too soft to drive on, and in the fall there is less to do with the tractor. Makes me feel better to know I put a load on it and worked it from the start, I should be in good shape for many years to come.
I needed a compact tractor to run a flail mower for my small acreage. I could not invest 20k + for a new one so I impulse bought a NHTC 29 at an auction. It has 400 hrs and all services received and cataloged. I was worried at first because I never heard of Shibaura. I hope my buy is solid because it was well taken care of and you speak well of this . Pats easy hitch is my next purchase and flail. Thx
In my opinion, the hands down winner is a 3 Cyl Canadian Perkins Diesel Engine. They started making them in the 50's and they still make them today. Fuel efficient, good power ratio, easy to service and inexpensive to maintain. They may not be made in Canada anymore but the basic engine design is still making the grade on the world markets.
In older engines, it’s hard to beat the AD3.152 out of the 135 massey Ferguson or the old air cooled deutz engines out of the 62xx series deutz tractors. For newer stuff, I’m pretty partial to the kubotas. The small engines in the compact tractors and the ones in the skid steers will last a long time with out right abuse
I live in a JD and Kubota heavy area and I never hear of engine issues from those neighbors. My Mahindra owning brethren on the other hand frequently have breakdowns but they seem more like electrical gremlins than anything.
I really love your wisdom on tractors as well as other stuff like implements and such. I appreciate your kind words the other day you gave me when adking about my bx1880nin regards to using the pto for first time with my brand new tiller I just bought. I just wsnt to thank you so much. You along with Neil Messicks, Paul Short, lucas Peek, along with countless other share all their wisdom about tractor use and safety for the first time owners or in my case, 2nd tractor, but still learning. Always something new everytime I or my lil brother use my baby tractor. I am well aware how easy a tractor is to top/flip. This nearly happened to my lil bx with my brother behind the wheel. He under estimated the garden and hit a hole/ditch that was a little derper than we both thought. Lesson learned. Just be careful out there, no matter your experience level. GOD Bless.
My dad bought a new John Deere 2640 in the 1980. He put a loader on it and we used it as a utility tractor on our dairy farm. General field work, plowing disking cultivating and harvesting. We ground our own feed from the corn and hay we harvested. It came to the point that the transmission became loose. The clutch could be let out in a gear and there was a pause with engagement. It was the worst out of 4 utility tractors he owned. A 2030, 2750, 2755 and 2940. All purchased new. Have you heard of this problem before with the 2640. We still Use the 2750, 2755 and 2940 for hay and general farm maintenance. Just thought I’d ask. Thanks.
My situation is different, maybe not implicitly related. When I sold my truck 07 KW C 15 Acert engine it had 1,128,000 miles on it and we’d never been inside the engine. Maintenance is key. My pick up now, the plan is for my heirs to sell it
Still beating the crap out of my TC18. Owned since new and man has it been a good tractor. Just wish I had flushed and cleaned the radiator out before it turned 20 years old.
1954 Farmall 100 - 17 HP. Runs every time I ask it to. If the battery is dead I push it down a hill and pop the clutch in 2nd gear and it runs! Since 1978 it's never not started when I've asked it to.
Look at the engines used in refrigeration units in rail cars. Small diesels that run continuously to run the cooling units. I think most are Kubota or Yanmar and get crazy high hours. I’m partial to Kubota myself
I too will never know how long my 2014 will last, but sure I will not care when it stops if it’s after I do🤔 I sold my 53’ Ford four banger and it was still running strong after 67 years when I sold it. It had a cracked block that I repaired before I ran it for 20 years and never dripped a drop.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what's the best engine, but I had a Kubota B2150 that ran like a top for 25 years. Needed a larger machine and traded up to a B2650. Add to that a 25 year old T1600 lawn tractor, which got traded into a Kubota zero-turn, which ran just as well.
One potentially disturbing (to me) trend is to combine small engines with turbochargers in order to achieve higher performance numbers. Based on my experiences (and stories told to me by others) with car engines (both gas and diesel), the weaker link is almost always the turbo system. That is the reason I opted to buy a a tractor with a somewhat larger normally-aspirated engine than one with a smaller engine whose output is artificially goosed by a turbocharger. Obviously, this is purely subjective opinion on my part, but IMO is one factor to take into account in the evaluation process when considering overall reliability.
There are 18 wheelers with millions of miles on them using turbos. Not arguing your point, but having a turbo doesn’t mean imminent failure. It just means better maintenance practices and understanding them to make them last.
Some equipment models are different just based on hp alone, Turbo or N/A. Of course you can over do it, lots of times you get a cleaner running engine w/turbo. 10-15 hp, you should be fine, like everything though, some types don't like it.
@@barryrhoads2206 Agree that a turbo doesn't necessarily mean imminent failure, but it adds just one more (unnecessary, IMO) link into any potential failure scenario.
The problem most typical of turbo car engines is the fact that they're tuned incorrectly. Kids are finding that they can slap a turbo on an engine that wasn't built for it, or crank up boost on an engine that was built for mild boost. Most of the tractors in the compact range are very low boost, and many don't even have intercoolers.
@@javabean215 this point can’t be stressed enough. If the turbo is stock, there really isn’t that much to worry about. It’s not like bigger pistons don’t weigh more and stress the rotating assembly more. It’s a trade off, no matter what.
Mike, good answer to the ? The engines today are built with better technology, and the lubricants are being improved continuously. That being said the enemies of engine life remain the same. Keep the air, oil and fuel clean and don’t overheat it. These little diesels are not very forgiving to an overheat. Older engines would fail a head gasket, where many of these will crack a head!
I agree with you Mike. I am not a mechanical engineer by any stretch of the imagination but i do believe that with the proper maintenance, most any machine in general will last a long time. I also agree that any manufacturer of any machine, engine or whatever can let a faulty product slip out every now and then. It happens.
I agree that they are all pretty good nowadays. There is that 1 in a thousand that can happen to any of them, kind of like that AGCO you mentioned. I had a '98 Dodge Cummins that dropped a piston cooler at 105,000 miles and burn up number 6 cylinder that cost me $6,000 to replace. Now most people get at least 300,000 miles on these engines without major trouble, but it was just one of those freak things that can happen to any mechanical device.
My dad bought a kubota B3200 brand new bake in 2012 ish and it's got I think 3000 plus hour's on it and most of those hour's have been hard on that little tractor and it's got dents and srachis to prove it and we had no engine problems
Hi Mike, I bought a used Agco-Allis 4650 MFWD from S&H in (I think) Lockwood, Mo in about 2003. I have often wondered if I bought it from you personally? It has been an outstanding tractor that I still own and has required zero drivetrain or engine repairs the past 20 years. Have to check the air tunnel for mice nests every spring though… lol.
JP, no, it wasn't me, I was at the S & H Springfield store at that time, but I'm sure I knew the guy you bought it from. I probably was involved with the sale when it was sold new, but was out of the picture by 2003.
@@TractorMike They make two tractor motors. John Deere and Kubota. Only ones I see around here in my neck of the woods. Only other tractors that I’ve heard of are ones you have mentioned. I’ve never heard of a lemon in Deere or Kubota around here.
I worked on a golf cart that had the same problem (oil coming out muffler). Replaced engine. New engine smoked profusely after it warmed up. Had to replace the muffler.
My 1 series John deere is 8 years old with 145 hours. I change the oil because I feel bad it sitting in the garage. Warm it up than snow push 6 of the neighbors, it's biggest job.
This would be the best, if someone built a Tractor around it: "Gardner straight six", indestructible! The Perkins 152, used in the MF-35X. There are many more!
The reliability issues with modern Diesel engines nowadays are more related with control emissions systems. So it's worse to the engine not to run it hard. Know plenty of cases that the most reliable Diesel engines with DPF systems, are the ones being used hard.
Mike, I've owned 3 Kubota's and had absolutely no problem with any of them. I've bought another piece of property and I've heard nothing but bad things about the local Kubota dealership. There is a Mahindra / LS tractor dealership in the area. The dealership said they liked the LS tractors more than the Mahindra. I have no experience with LS tractors, barely even hear of them. They are very reasonably priced. There is a John Deere dealership very close, but as you know they are proud of their equipment. Would you consider an LS tractor? I don't want to buy a problem. Thanks.
My little 790 JD has a Yanmar, it's 30 hp.....i bought it new in 2001.....ain't had a prollum yet. They use Yanmar engines in those high dollar yachts. Now the loader on my tractor is a different story, i've rebuilt every hydralic cylinder on it an had new lines built.
Interesting video. I wondered about compact tractor engines, until I was shopping at a Deere distributor. Seems JD uses Yanmar engines in their compact tractors - always have. Of course, Deere competes with Yanmar. Why would Deere use their competitors engines I wondered? I bought two Yanmar tractors, and I now know why.
I think the simple pushrod OHV engines common on small tractors are generally fine but I am troubled about the life of engines with electronic injection, if the electronics goes bad generally you don't fix it you replace it, who knows if ten years down the road if you can still get that part. Mechanical pumps can be rebuilt by third party operators and done right will be just as good as new. I don't see any benefit to using overhead cams on slow turning tractor engines and if it isn't slow turning it ain't a tractor engine. Overhead cams are also associated with rubber timing belts and interference engines, another thing to avoid.
Australian here, 95% of small trucks and 4WD’s on our roads are turbo diesels. Most problems with the the recent diesels are due to EGR’s carboning up the intake valves and DPF’s smoking and blocking. The electronics and injectors hardy fail. 3.0 Toyota diesels have the easiest rubber timing belt to change, like a 10 min job. 🦘🇦🇺
I think the point was missed, yes engine's do last longer but it's everything else tied to the engine that keeps failing, last year year I replaced 6 instrument clusters on different case and new holland skidsteers and without out it engine won't run, and I can go on
I don't think I could possibly disagree more with that because I've bought some small tractors I bought a 30 horse tractor😊 and I put 600 on it before most people. I was working a couple of projects at the time and clearing up 30 acres also trying to just keep the property cleaned up I don't even work it commercially or anyting but. That was only in the first few months. So I'm actually thought about getting a 45 horse tractor just because I'd like to have more power so that I can go faster and not have to spend as much time doing the stuff that I've actually had to do. Here's the main problem with having such a small it's going to take you much longer. If you're thinking about a 30 horse tractor I would suggest go at least 45
Okay, I’m going to have to rewatch this video, as I was totally distracted at the 5:30 minute mark when your dog dropped a deuce in the background. Lol 😆 😂
I have had my Kubota L3031 with the 3 cylinder diesel since 2004 and it is still going strong.
I run it full on when snow blowing all winter and that is 3 hours each time at 2 to 3 times a week for 4 months and sometimes more. That is just winter, there is the rest of the year as well. It has never let me down and it is now 23 years old.
As an AG tech of 35 years Kubota ,Yanmar & shibaura ( used in older ford /newholland compact tractors)very simmaler to a kubota in design , make the best small diesel tractor engines in my opinion. Many companies make a great engine but these i mentioned I have seen with massive hours and little to no internal problems.
Totally agree
My brother was a master mechanic for New Holland for years, he said the Shibaura made tractors were basically bulletproof, just don’t put a 3 point hitch backhoe on it.
A buddy of mine has been a John Deere heavy equipment salesman for 35 years. He sold a new end loader to a paper mill in northern Wisconsin. 10 years later the paper mill wanted to trade that loader in on a new machine. That loader had 46,000 hours on it without a rebuild. The most hours my buddy has ever seen on a machine.
A similar topic for tractor transmissions and types of transmissions would be great too ! Your videos are awesome, I recommend your channel to all the new tractor folks.
I really like the Kukje (Now Branson/TYM) A-series engine, that was built for Cummins by Kukje Machinery. Still with Tier 4 they use mechanical injection with no common rail ECU, mine is a A2300N4 and a really pleasant engine.
Mike, I’m a weekend farmer like you said. I have a 2020 Massey 2706E 60 HP. I use it for food plots and some maintenance around my farm. I have 115 hours on it so I think your right about having it for a long time. I was told the Shibaura engine was a very reliable Japanese engine. So far so good , but I’m no expert. NO REGEN which is awesome. I don’t know why… my 34 HP Massey did!
I'd agree though i'd add to always keep good tabs on Air Filters and Heat. Don't let them get overheated, these little engines usually don't handle it. ( head damage or worse ), keep the radiator and air filter clean, make sure air cleaner hose never gets any cracks/holes.
3 quickest ways to destroy an engine, Oil, Dirt ingest, overheat.
I have a 5310 4WD with 541 Front end Loader. Bought new in 2000. I have plowed, disced, mowed, cleared land, pushed pretty good size trees, dug stock tanks, dug post holes, pushed and carried dirt. Pushed miles of snow during the winter, carried round bells through radiator deep snow to feed my cows. I have kept the oil changed always on schedule. I make sure i use good fuel and change fuel filters regularly. I wash out the radiator always after mowing. Always grease it up when i am going to work it hard all day. Kept good air pressure in the tires. Just tred real hard to take care of it and i have never had a mechanical problem with it. I changed out the belt and radiator hoses at 20 years old. Couldn't be happier with a tractor.
I really enjoy your videos ! I am a retired home builder and bought a 4520 JD utility tractor back in 2005 ( 53 hp power reverser, loader ) I now have about 1800 hrs on it and have only put a starter and belt on it since It was bought. I use a 90" woods finish mower on about 15 acres hobby place in northeast Arkansas . I regularly grease and change oil every year. This has be a really good tractor for me while using it to do finish grading around homes built and slab preparation work. I have seen comments on other forums which say that an engine might last 6-8000 hrs but am kinda skeptical about that. I guess it all depends on use and maintenance and care. I have a friend who bought same tractor same time I did and his tractor looks like an antique, beat up, faded, bent, cracked fenders, etc. I always believed in being good stewards of whatever you own and it makes them last and look good for many more years. Anyway really enjoy all your videos. They have really helped me to think about safety and maintencance on my tractor. I have watched many of them several times
Haha. Had to laugh at the dog taking a dump behind you while you’re talking.
Good info. Thanks.
Never thought about why my BRAND NEW 3039R cab loaded with every option available has the regen where diesel fuel is pumped into a catalyst I guess where all the suit is held ? And the first season using this Machine it "burned" just over two quarts of engine oil !
And had 6 regeneration throughout the summer !
I know about 10 acres with it. Split wood maintain my gravel driveway etc.
Just over 300 hours first year !
Second Year ONLY 1 regen and NOT any oil needed !!
Not burning any oil !
So never thought for a second about break in time on a new tractor engine !!
And not one word from my dealer about this break in time !
Great video Mike !
Shibaura engine in my Newholland boomer 41 . Quietest / smoothest / clean running diesel I have ever seen . 👍
Ha! The dog brings new meaning to the term “photobomb!” 😂
Hey Mike, my favorite part of this video is the dog that took a giant poop in the background at 5 minutes 40 seconds in! Thats hilarious!!!
Liked your comment on the Shibaura engine. I have a 2011 Case cvt 45 with the Shibaura engine. Runs great and start good in the winter!I live in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
I have a 1988 White Field Boss 37 that still runs strong. The only issue is the injector pump leaks fuel due to failed o-rings. I have had no luck finding parts or someone willing to rebuild to fix issue. Great tractor for my uses.
I love my Shibaura made New Holland TC29D with 1425 hours. Great engines, still made and sold as Cat C0.5 through C2.2 and the Perkins 400 series. hard to beat them.
My older NH TC-40 had a 4 cylinder Shibaura engine in it.I recently sold it an accuired a NH Workmaster 40 with a LS LC-319 3 cylinder in it,so far no problems.Shibaura makes great engines.
The 2 cylinder Shibaura LE892 engine in my 1981 Ford 1700 is rock solid. It’s been through a water pump and set of injectors, plus routine valve adjustment, but that’s it in 40+ years. The only thing I dislike about it is the vibration compared to a 3 cylinder of the same horsepower. However, that 2 cylinder has a unique sound compared to a 3 cylinder engine, and it makes me smile every time I fire it up. My grandfather bought the tractor new in early 1982, so I grew up with it. He passed away last year, and I may never be able to part with that tractor. Lots of memories with it, plus I learned how to operate a tractor from him on that Ford 1700.
I can't speak for new equipment but in my experience from the old days two best engines I ever ran was a three cylinder Perkins that was in Ford tractors had a couple of them over the years. The other was the 2/71 GM diesel in a old Alis Chalmers HD 5 dozer . That little engine just screamed with power and toughest engine I have ever encountered in a lifetime of running heavy equipment.
I don't have experience with maintenance or longevity of GM (Detroit) diesels, but from my interest and researching them, they are awesome engines. Their torque fits in a narrow band of RPM, but rev them up, keep them oiled, and adjust the mechanical rack throttle system and it explains why engines made 50-60 years ago are still in operation. The 2-71 is of particular interest because it powered the decommissioned gensets from reefer rail cars, and were resold by a company out of Pocatello, ID for gensets in industry, homesteads, etc. Sadly, the EPA, and diminishing supplies of rebuildable stock makes the 2-71, and other pre-emission GMs, forced into obsolescence. All to "save the planet." Gimme a break. Some of the best, most reliable diesels have GM on them...simple, mechanical, no fancy electronics, exactly what ruins the reliability and ability to DIY today's industrial engines. Sorry, a bit of a soapbox, but we are squeezing out our options for reasons made up.
I know that my cousin's Case 2870 does not fit your horsepower but that Swedish 300 horsepower engine with 18000+ hours without a rebuild is still running strong. He also maintains every thing
I recently did a first 50hr service on on my Kioti D4210. I was amazed at how clean the oil was when I drained it. It looked practically new and clean. It was completely different with both my Kubota BX and RTV X1100C. These engines turned the oil black after a hours use. I attributed this to the tolerances of the Teir 4 engine in the Kioti,
I have seen diesels of every power size that have lived long lives My 1957 Farmall 350 diesel has around 17,000 hours on its 3rd rebuild. I know Rail yards running Kubota RTVs getting 6000 hours, and some Deutz irrigator units going 8000 hours . With good upkeep and parts there is a good chance to keep any engine running . Most people with compact tractors might get 1500 hours over a decent time of years
I've had 3 tractors all with Yanmar...ran them LOTS of hours...never an issue , It is my opinion, that they make a very good product .
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There are certain vehicles that advertise a specific break-in routine (Polaris UTV/ATV's come to mind, but that's probably more for belt wear than engine). I made the mistake of driving a brand new 1973 Audi 100LS from Homestead AFB to Atlanta almost non-stop at a constant interstate speed, and that rascal burn oil like a locomotive for its lifetime. However the engines of today, as you alluded to, are designed and manufactured to much higher tolerances. I've owned three new Kubota products, and in each case when I asked about a break-in I was advised to "drive it like you stole it."
Just add some variability to the dialog... I have an International 284 that has British, Canadian, US, and Japanese major components. The 28hp +/- Mazda gas engine has been running trouble free for 42+ years. So far, if I go out to start it, no matter the season, it goes. I think you're right Mike, a reasonably operated, well maintained engine will probably out last many of us.😊
I'll always have a soft spot for the old John Deere two cylinders, both for sound and for toughness of the engine.
We had a Massey Ferguson with a Perkins in it. That tractor really took a beating from day one. 10000 hours change the oil every 2 years weather it needed it or not
We have two generators powered by Perkins engines at our electrical test lab. We work them hard and they just keep chugging. They are loud and the vibrate but they just keep working.
Running a 1999 Volvo wheel loader with Perkins motor on our dairy farm currently 21000 hours on it, overhauled the motor when it had around 11000 hours on it!
Perkins back in the day, 1600 RPM stump pulling torque machine’s with 2000 hours non detergent oil change intervals.
My McCormick has a Perkins engine in it. I agree with you. I also have a McCormick with a Deutz engine in it that is a work horse as well.
I think you’re probably right for the vast majority if not all current production tractor engines. One thing I would like to add is the fact that engines today are manufactured to much tighter tolerances because of the advent of CNC machines where it’s possible to hold tolerances to a few ten-thousandths of an inch. That certainly keeps them well balanced and vibration free and probably adds greatly to their service life.
As a tractor and diesel equipment tech for 40 years I can say without reserve that the sisu engines offered in the older Valtra tractors were the very best diesel engines ever made! While I have never owned one these machines,I have seen two of these tractors with 25000+ hours with 0 engine downtime.they were truly the Toyota of farm tractors!they are now part of the Agco stable and have Perkins engines.A good reliable power source but not in the same league as the Sisu engine!
Hi Mike. Thanks for covering my question in depth. Good information...Michigan
I have a very interesting and funny story for you. So, I own a brand new 2022 John Deere 3046R. Get this...I just took it in to get a back hoe installed and they found a leak. Now, it was close to the drive shaft so they said no big deal, lets order the seals and replace those under warranty. Turns out, it was a one in ten-thousand pin hole in the aluminum casting of the engine transmission pan. Now, not a big deal and I am really glad they found it. What the dealer did tell me was there was a popular brand out there, not JG, that had the same issue with their engines...but it turned out to be 1 in 100. There were about 14 of this other brand tractor, in this province alone, where the whole tractor split right in half as the owner was driving it. The funny thing is, yes you're correct they do make incredibly great engines now except nowadays they are also efficient and finding ways to cut costs.
Thanks, Mike, for the info. I'll be curious as to the longer term reliability and performance of the engine in my tractor. I have a 2018 LS 3 cylinder L3C19, made by LS. Just prior to this model, LS was using Shibaura diesels, which regened every 5 hours. The LS is an unknown entity to me, unlike Yanmar, Kubota, Deutz, Perkins, etc. We'll see. Up till now, 300hrs, it's been flawless!!
In the past I've had a Kubota DT305. I must say that I was impressed with the power & dependability of the Kubota diesel engine. I currently have a John Deere 4600 with a Yanmar diesel engine in it. Yet another diesel compact tractor engine that I've been impressed with. You're right, as the so called "Hobby Farmer" that I am, we don't really put a lot of hours on a tractor each year. After having a compact tractor with a loader on it, I wouldn't want to be without one now days.
My 1998 Massey Ferguson 1215 subcompact has an 18hp Iseki engine. Engine still runs great and actually still looks almost new visually, only filter and oil changes.
I think your appraisals are spot on .
Todays engines are all good .
Although I think regulators need to look beyond their statistics and understand that agricultural engines are not the main polluters even though they are low tech .
Loose tolerance agri engines
are a good thing .
And we don’t fix what ain’t broke.
I had a John Deere 950 started ticking and threw a rod clean through the block just a few seconds after the ticking started fresh oil and up to level it had 2,000 hrs on it ... Neighbor had a John Deere 850 it blew a head gasket at 450 hours I've got a Mitsubishi 1801D what 10,000 hours on it still goin' strong
When I first got my tractor from the dealer (McCormick) I wanted to baby it so much. But after seeing some of Mikes other videos about needing to work and wear in a new engine, I decided against it. I went right to work bush hogging my field, and then right into winter with moving snow. My tractor sits for a month or so at a time just because between winter and summer, grounds too soft to drive on, and in the fall there is less to do with the tractor. Makes me feel better to know I put a load on it and worked it from the start, I should be in good shape for many years to come.
I needed a compact tractor to run a flail mower for my small acreage.
I could not invest 20k + for a new one so I impulse bought a NHTC 29 at an auction.
It has 400 hrs and all services received and cataloged.
I was worried at first because I never heard of Shibaura.
I hope my buy is solid because it was well taken care of and you speak well of this . Pats easy hitch is my next purchase and flail.
Thx
In my opinion, the hands down winner is a 3 Cyl Canadian Perkins Diesel Engine. They started making them in the 50's and they still make them today. Fuel efficient, good power ratio, easy to service and inexpensive to maintain. They may not be made in Canada anymore but the basic engine design is still making the grade on the world markets.
Boy, I really hope I get 11,000 hours out of my engine. If I do, that will last three lifetimes. Thanks Mike.
Good video Mike. Don't know if you are aware of it, but your dog photo bombed you... and it was truly a bombing run.
Thanks, Mike, for all your information!!
In older engines, it’s hard to beat the AD3.152 out of the 135 massey Ferguson or the old air cooled deutz engines out of the 62xx series deutz tractors.
For newer stuff, I’m pretty partial to the kubotas. The small engines in the compact tractors and the ones in the skid steers will last a long time with out right abuse
one of the beat engines ever built was the John Deere tow cylinderGood fuel econmy, excellent torque. and last forever with maintance.
I live in a JD and Kubota heavy area and I never hear of engine issues from those neighbors. My Mahindra owning brethren on the other hand frequently have breakdowns but they seem more like electrical gremlins than anything.
They’re from India Lol
I am concerned about the longevity of computerized common rail injection systems. Love you pooch,,, I mean your videos.
I really love your wisdom on tractors as well as other stuff like implements and such. I appreciate your kind words the other day you gave me when adking about my bx1880nin regards to using the pto for first time with my brand new tiller I just bought. I just wsnt to thank you so much. You along with Neil Messicks, Paul Short, lucas Peek, along with countless other share all their wisdom about tractor use and safety for the first time owners or in my case, 2nd tractor, but still learning. Always something new everytime I or my lil brother use my baby tractor. I am well aware how easy a tractor is to top/flip. This nearly happened to my lil bx with my brother behind the wheel. He under estimated the garden and hit a hole/ditch that was a little derper than we both thought. Lesson learned. Just be careful out there, no matter your experience level. GOD Bless.
My dad bought a new John Deere 2640 in the 1980. He put a loader on it and we used it as a utility tractor on our dairy farm. General field work, plowing disking cultivating and harvesting. We ground our own feed from the corn and hay we harvested.
It came to the point that the transmission became loose. The clutch could be let out in a gear and there was a pause with engagement. It was the worst out of 4 utility tractors he owned. A 2030, 2750, 2755 and 2940. All purchased new.
Have you heard of this problem before with the 2640. We still
Use the 2750, 2755 and 2940 for hay and general farm maintenance.
Just thought I’d ask.
Thanks.
Thanks for the info Mike! That was a really neat set up on that train. You should do a whole video on that train and how it works.
My situation is different, maybe not implicitly related.
When I sold my truck 07 KW C 15 Acert engine it had 1,128,000 miles on it and we’d never been inside the engine. Maintenance is key.
My pick up now, the plan is for my heirs to sell it
I think you are spot on on your thoughts.
Oh Mike, sleep takes me away when I listen to your dealership stories.
Still beating the crap out of my TC18. Owned since new and man has it been a good tractor. Just wish I had flushed and cleaned the radiator out before it turned 20 years old.
1954 Farmall 100 - 17 HP. Runs every time I ask it to. If the battery is dead I push it down a hill and pop the clutch in 2nd gear and it runs! Since 1978 it's never not started when I've asked it to.
A shame we cannot buy something like the AGCO Allis 4650 today.
Look at the engines used in refrigeration units in rail cars. Small diesels that run continuously to run the cooling units. I think most are Kubota or Yanmar and get crazy high hours. I’m partial to Kubota myself
I too will never know how long my 2014 will last, but sure I will not care when it stops if it’s after I do🤔
I sold my 53’ Ford four banger and it was still running strong after 67 years when I sold it. It had a cracked block that I repaired before I ran it for 20 years and never dripped a drop.
Dad had a 30 hp gas Wisconsin engine on a grain sweater, ran and started perfectly.
My 03 New Holland tc35d with a na yanmar still works great.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what's the best engine, but I had a Kubota B2150 that ran like a top for 25 years. Needed a larger machine and traded up to a B2650. Add to that a 25 year old T1600 lawn tractor, which got traded into a Kubota zero-turn, which ran just as well.
Talking about different engines but my semi has over 36,000 hours and the valve cover has never been off, take care of it and it should treat you fine
One potentially disturbing (to me) trend is to combine small engines with turbochargers in order to achieve higher performance numbers. Based on my experiences (and stories told to me by others) with car engines (both gas and diesel), the weaker link is almost always the turbo system. That is the reason I opted to buy a a tractor with a somewhat larger normally-aspirated engine than one with a smaller engine whose output is artificially goosed by a turbocharger. Obviously, this is purely subjective opinion on my part, but IMO is one factor to take into account in the evaluation process when considering overall reliability.
There are 18 wheelers with millions of miles on them using turbos. Not arguing your point, but having a turbo doesn’t mean imminent failure. It just means better maintenance practices and understanding them to make them last.
Some equipment models are different just based on hp alone, Turbo or N/A. Of course you can over do it, lots of times you get a cleaner running engine w/turbo. 10-15 hp, you should be fine, like everything though, some types don't like it.
@@barryrhoads2206 Agree that a turbo doesn't necessarily mean imminent failure, but it adds just one more (unnecessary, IMO) link into any potential failure scenario.
The problem most typical of turbo car engines is the fact that they're tuned incorrectly. Kids are finding that they can slap a turbo on an engine that wasn't built for it, or crank up boost on an engine that was built for mild boost. Most of the tractors in the compact range are very low boost, and many don't even have intercoolers.
@@javabean215 this point can’t be stressed enough. If the turbo is stock, there really isn’t that much to worry about. It’s not like bigger pistons don’t weigh more and stress the rotating assembly more. It’s a trade off, no matter what.
Mike, good answer to the ? The engines today are built with better technology, and the lubricants are being improved continuously.
That being said the enemies of engine life remain the same. Keep the air, oil and fuel clean and don’t overheat it. These little diesels are not very forgiving to an overheat. Older engines would fail a head gasket, where many of these will crack a head!
I agree with you Mike. I am not a mechanical engineer by any stretch of the imagination but i do believe that with the proper maintenance, most any machine in general will last a long time. I also agree that any manufacturer of any machine, engine or whatever can let a faulty product slip out every now and then. It happens.
I agree that they are all pretty good nowadays. There is that 1 in a thousand that can happen to any of them, kind of like that AGCO you mentioned.
I had a '98 Dodge Cummins that dropped a piston cooler at 105,000 miles and burn up number 6 cylinder that cost me $6,000 to replace. Now most people get at least 300,000 miles on these engines without major trouble, but it was just one of those freak things that can happen to any mechanical device.
Just about died laughing when at the 0815 point your dog photo bombs you by taking a huge dump on the lawn while you're talking!
Mike's opinions are good. His dog video-bombing @ 05:33 is priceless 😂
My dad bought a kubota B3200 brand new bake in 2012 ish and it's got I think 3000 plus hour's on it and most of those hour's have been hard on that little tractor and it's got dents and srachis to prove it and we had no engine problems
I’m a Kansas wheat farmer and I personally know many outfits that run big 200hp+ tractors with over 10,000 hours on them.
Awesome video !!
Perkins 3 cylinder Diesel
Have a Yanmar 3 cylinder diesel on my JD compact. Flawless after 10 years of hard labor.
Have the same on my 850 John Deere. 20 years of Bush hogging ,mowing and planting food plots on my12 acres.
I don't think you will find a better diesel engine than Perkins, believe they've been around since 1932 and still producing engines on 4 continents.
Hi Mike, I bought a used Agco-Allis 4650 MFWD from S&H in (I think) Lockwood, Mo in
about 2003. I have often wondered if I bought it from you personally? It has been an outstanding tractor that I still
own and has required zero drivetrain or engine repairs the past 20 years. Have to check the air tunnel for mice nests every spring though… lol.
JP, no, it wasn't me, I was at the S & H Springfield store at that time, but I'm sure I knew the guy you bought it from. I probably was involved with the sale when it was sold new, but was out of the picture by 2003.
@@TractorMike
They make two tractor motors. John Deere and Kubota. Only ones I see around here in my neck of the woods. Only other tractors that I’ve heard of are ones you have mentioned. I’ve never heard of a lemon in Deere or Kubota around here.
Ok thanks for the reply
Tractor engines, just like a car, will go a very long time, depending how they’re maintained. Maintenance is the key.
I have a 1995 Ford 1720 with about 1200 hours. Shibaro engine runs like new. Never had a problem.
Spelled it wrong 😂
Great talk!!
I worked on a golf cart that had the same problem (oil coming out muffler). Replaced engine. New engine smoked profusely after it warmed up. Had to replace the muffler.
I vote for kutje motors. They to this day have the simplest, most reliable motors.
My 1 series John deere is 8 years old with 145 hours. I change the oil because I feel bad it sitting in the garage. Warm it up than snow push 6 of the neighbors, it's biggest job.
This would be the best, if someone built a Tractor around it: "Gardner straight six", indestructible!
The Perkins 152, used in the MF-35X. There are many more!
A good one is one you don’t have a problem with and a good dealer to help you if it does
The reliability issues with modern Diesel engines nowadays are more related with control emissions systems. So it's worse to the engine not to run it hard. Know plenty of cases that the most reliable Diesel engines with DPF systems, are the ones being used hard.
That’s the reason I went with the L2501 kubota, just a simple tractor that can idle all day if needed. No dpf! 😊
Mike, I've owned 3 Kubota's and had absolutely no problem with any of them. I've bought another piece of property and I've heard nothing but bad things about the local Kubota dealership. There is a Mahindra / LS tractor dealership in the area. The dealership said they liked the LS tractors more than the Mahindra. I have no experience with LS tractors, barely even hear of them. They are very reasonably priced. There is a John Deere dealership very close, but as you know they are proud of their equipment. Would you consider an LS tractor? I don't want to buy a problem. Thanks.
Gosh Mike, it won't take me 8 minutes to tell everyone what the best engine is. It's simply the one that runs. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😀
My little 790 JD has a Yanmar, it's 30 hp.....i bought it new in 2001.....ain't had a prollum yet. They use Yanmar engines in those high dollar yachts. Now the loader on my tractor is a different story, i've rebuilt every hydralic cylinder on it an had new lines built.
Interesting video. I wondered about compact tractor engines, until I was shopping at a Deere distributor. Seems JD uses Yanmar engines in their compact tractors - always have. Of course, Deere competes with Yanmar. Why would Deere use their competitors engines I wondered? I bought two Yanmar tractors, and I now know why.
YOU SIR ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, and 29 years & running fine on 2 Shiburu? Fords.
I have a Pasquale Tractor. Load as heck but runs well.
I was a JD field service guy and seen many JD with 20000+ hours on them and a few didn’t make 100 hours.
So sorry but your dog got my attention at 5:30 when it had to do it's business! Leave it to pets and children to embarrass! 🤣
I think the simple pushrod OHV engines common on small tractors are generally fine but I am troubled about the life of engines with electronic injection, if the electronics goes bad generally you don't fix it you replace it, who knows if ten years down the road if you can still get that part. Mechanical pumps can be rebuilt by third party operators and done right will be just as good as new. I don't see any benefit to using overhead cams on slow turning tractor engines and if it isn't slow turning it ain't a tractor engine. Overhead cams are also associated with rubber timing belts and interference engines, another thing to avoid.
Australian here, 95% of small trucks and 4WD’s on our roads are turbo diesels. Most problems with the the recent diesels are due to EGR’s carboning up the intake valves and DPF’s smoking and blocking. The electronics and injectors hardy fail. 3.0 Toyota diesels have the easiest rubber timing belt to change, like a 10 min job. 🦘🇦🇺
Kubota,Yanmar,Iseki.Thats why most small compact heavy equipment run one of the three.All Japanese design.Proven design for decades.
My 1952 Ford 8N has the original flat head 4 cylinder engine in it.
Pasquali tractor RULE ALL! RUGGERINI ENGINES ROCK!
I think the point was missed, yes engine's do last longer but it's everything else tied to the engine that keeps failing, last year year I replaced 6 instrument clusters on different case and new holland skidsteers and without out it engine won't run, and I can go on
Continental Z-134. It has kept the Massey Harris 50 running since the mid 50’s.
I don't think I could possibly disagree more with that because I've bought some small tractors I bought a 30 horse tractor😊 and I put 600 on it before most people. I was working a couple of projects at the time and clearing up 30 acres also trying to just keep the property cleaned up I don't even work it commercially or anyting but. That was only in the first few months. So I'm actually thought about getting a 45 horse tractor just because I'd like to have more power so that I can go faster and not have to spend as much time doing the stuff that I've actually had to do. Here's the main problem with having such a small it's going to take you much longer. If you're thinking about a 30 horse tractor I would suggest go at least 45
Air and oil cooled, sounds good....
No antifreeze