Guys, does replacing the Jackson bridge and nut with Original Floyd Rose work? Asking because I m from India. The JS32 is available here ans there are some great deals available too. Unfortunately King Vs with the original FR are not. Even if they are they are stupidly expensive. Getting an original FR set up through a friend in the states sounds like it is easier than actually importing a king v with the original FR set up. Requesting your advice pls!
Hey hey! Sorry, I missed this comment. I honestly am not sure about sourcing an FR from the US instead of India. I pinned the comment to the top to see if someone has some experience or knowledge of this topic. Keep shredding 🤘
I'd say get the JS32 and block it. Despite the trem its a quality guitar. Glue a piece of wood in the back of it so it goes down only (Look up blocking a Floyd for a better description of what to do) It's just as fun as a fully floating trem but MUCH easier to live with. Can turn a guitar with a questionable quality trem into something that stay in tune, give you no trouble restringing, and you can change tunings all you want.... While being just as fun
Maybe you should get some stainless steel saddles from aliexpress. From what I can tell, this is a floyd rose 1000 series baseplate with the floyd rose special saddles. I believe many guitar companies are branding floyd rose bridge with their own names, including also LTD and Schecter. If I am correct, the baseplate should be hardened, so the weak link are the saddles. You would save so much money by doing that... you also can change your block to a bigger size or a different material, change the screws, change the inserts. It most likely will outperform a stock floyd rose original for much less money.
Just show the in-consistency of a chromoly trwm pivit points,.....it's not blocked so it was originally knocker off kilter,...then knockec back into place,......actually show even if set up correctly,...the cheap Floyd shoot stay in tune,.......people give them a bad rap,......just go out out and buy a replacement with it become f.u.b.r.,.....if it bothers you,...replace it with a $300 Floyd at that point,......No point in crying when the guitar only cost $330.
I think it happened @4:06/4:07 ! Glitch in the Matrix?! The one I just bought has a screw in the claw piece crooked sticking out at a 45degree angle. But it sounds perfect the way it is…but I don’t think mines gonna sound good after it slips!🧨💔♿️🔇
More time is required in setup for cheap floydish systems.for any needing advice, a good place to start would be to adjust your spring tension. Maybe even remove/add one. Or angle them.it depends on your gauge and tuning. Just because the bridge is in the right position and in tune, doesn't mean it will stay that way. Try to get it to stay in tune with a fair amount of tremolo use BEFORE locking the nut. Also make sure your strings are stretched considerably before you lock them.
it was the locking nut for me, for straight a year i thought my floyd was broken and i blocked it it turned out the locking nuts required more force to clamp probably because they have worn out. i apply excessive pressure using my allen key with screwdriver tightening it more and it doesnt go out of tune now
@@HassHeater33 I think you loaned me a couple extra chromosomes with this poorly written garbage. Or maybe you’re just too intelligent for me to understand. Why don’t you explain what the fuck you meant?
Quick tip: if you replace the nut with an authentic FR nut it stays in tune almost perfectly. The metal they use for cheaper nuts is not strong enough to really lock down the strings, so it slips a little here and there. But if you put a high quality nut on there it can really make all the difference.
When you said “I felt it slip a little bit” and it was suddenly in tune again, my jaw dropped, because that’s exactly what it’s like on mine. If I bend it up too far, it doesn’t sit right when it comes back down and the guitar goes out of tune. But if I bring it down slightly after, I feel it slip just a little bit, so it goes into place and it’s back in tune.
prob don't help your playing the 3rd interval in the chords with that much distortion it will automatically sound out of tune due to the harmonics of the 3rd interval clashing with tons of distortion
I had a similar set up Jackdon guitar. The trem was terrible as your video. It looked like the baseplate was made out of a soft material such as brass as it had a brassy look on the knife edges. I also experienced the guitar going back to near in tune. It was the whole stud and serrated edge bush moving up and down in the wood
Dunno if there's anyone here that has tuning instability problems. It could stem from the triangular orientation of the springs. If it persists, try one of these methods Change the orientation of the springs, so they're all going vertically in parallel. You can also add a spring at the bass side of the strings. This one worked for me on a JS32 Kelly Alternative option is tightening the springs at the bass strings side.
I’m about to install a Bill Lawrence L500xl in the bridge of my JS32. Not a BL USA. An old Bill and Becky XL. It turned my $99 Washburn into a beast. Can’t wait to hear it In The Jackson. The trem stays in tune Pretty well. The only Problem I had with the Guitar is the wiring. I had to replace it.
It sounded like you streched them into tune. I just bought one maple glossy black. It seems like a solid guitar. Thanks for reassuring me with this test.
I have a JS32 in natural. I beat the piss out of the Jackson Floyd and replaced it with a 1000. It's a beast! I have had to do that with an Ibanez as well. I put an Edge Pro in my RG4somethingorother and again, like a new guitar! I picked up a new Kelly KEX a few months back. It has a Special in it. I haven't had any problems with the Specials so far, when I've bought them new.
Really good information! Thanks, man! Yeah, I don't have a big tuning problem with my Jackson King V with a real floyd rose. Good to know that replacing it will help out. Keep shredding!
Nice. Mine's arriving on Saturday. First guitar I've bought for this price, and easily the highest quality one I'll have had to date. 24 jumbo frets, double locking trem and sweet pickups for that price is crazy.
I'm sure I would have but the company delivering it messed up and it never arrived. I got a full refund but I'm probably gonna wait before trying to get a new one.
Hahahahahaah at 4:27, I made the same face you did, I was like wtf did it just tune correct itself LOLOL. Awesome Video, I'm getting this V, for the looks, it sounds pretty good for the price. Hope you're still doing well man, looking forward to a new video.
Haha. Yeah that was definitely a funny surprise. I’m doing alright. Thanks for asking. Had a setback with my battle against cancer so I have been very exhausted as my treatment continues. So hopefully I beat this shit soon and can get back soon.
Thanks, man! I have been battling cancer the past few months but I am coming back. I had a few videos shot that I was going to have released over the holiday but the drive took a shit. So I’m building a new PC tomorrow. So look out for more content soon!
It's how dimebag achieved those high pitched harmonic squeals. It is a little hard to describe what is going on through text but I could make a video on how to grab those harmonics without picking. It's tricky because it requires a ton of gain. You can do the same thing by just picking the natural harmonic and using the whammy bar.
I don’t care that guitar is out of tune, that guitar playing with kick ass! I love a lot of the contact that I got coming to me from your channel so I know but I love it!
I make sure to stretch my new strings before playing my Jackson JS32 and it keeps it in tune even after some abuse. Good video though, you absolutely rock.🤘
I'm thinking about buying a js32 Kelly and putting a ton of upgrades (like more that the guitar is worth) in it, lol. a $300 guitar with $200 worth of tuners, an original Floyd Rose ($200), high end locking tuners, a locking nut, and, of course, strap locks... It's going to be... epic!
It’s a great value guitar for what it is. I drop tune to d on my fine tuner and I replaced the pickups. I think like he said, if you do insane floyd rose abuse stuff it’ll slip.
Got myself Warrior JS32 and the bridge is rock solid on that one. It ofc won't hold up well with new strings, they need some time of playing till they get properly stretched. I had issues only with low E, so I just tighetened the screw holding the string in the bridge a bit, went completely crazy on the whammy bar for whole minute, retuned, and the problem was gone. I didn't have to adjust the tension of the bridge springs at all though and since then, the entire guitar is snapping exactly into tune. Also, playing open G or any open chord for the matter on heavy distortion is sacriledge and a terrible choice for trying to judge how in tune it is. Play couple of power chords on different strings or use tuner, open chord will always sound like trash even when in tune. Last but not least, after just letting go of the whammy bar, the bridge may need a bit of help to get back to the neutral position, and a single bend or touch in the opposite direction of the previous movement helps with that. Which is probably heavily accented on a new bridge on a cheap guitar, and it just needs some work and wear before it actually does what it's supposed to. Probably what happened to you at 4:25.
I heard the licensed Floyd rose on the js models is "cheap". Totally agree with everything you said about Jackson guitars, including the js king. They do look incomplete w/o the neck/headstock binding!
i have a cheap jackson warrior, same thing as this just a different body, and have learned that if i leave the nuts off the locking nut it stays in tune better also if i adjust the bridge screws and stuff like that i have to let it sit for quite a while for the strings to settle in, but i have always used somewhat heavy strings, i plan on using lighter ones and maybe it wont be as much of an issue then i have had the strings on for a long time and as long as the locking nuts arent on i have no problem keeping it in tune regardless of how much i use the whammy, even if the bridge isnt perfectly flat so basically if you are having trouble tuning, try removing the locking nuts
Very interesting. It seems counterintuitive to remove the locking nuts since they’re part of the system that is supposed to keep the strings in tune. Lol. I’ll have to give this a try. Thanks for the info, Mishkin! 🤘
I’ve had a few cheap copy Floyd’s and I once had an Ibanez RG with the Ibanez version locking tremolo which until now was probably the best overall quality and performance trem I’d ever played. Then last year I bought a pre owned ESP off an online seller, it was dirt cheap because it had some chunks and chips in the body, it was supposed to be fitted from new with a Floyd Rose Special but the seller had taken it out and put a cheap £30 piece of crap that had to be locked off permanently as it was just really poorly made. Then a few weeks back I got a JS32 arch top with the Jackson Floyd for £100, like new condition. It’s by far the nicest thing I’ve ever played, and considering the tremolos I’ve had in the past, this thing is so nice to be able to use properly at last, I’d say the fine tuners are a little bit roughly threaded and I might look into loobing them a bit to make them smoother to turn, but the tremolo itself just feels so good, smooth and responsive, and i finally have confidence that I can use it, then let it go and it’s back in tune, I haven’t really abused it though to be fair I’m still learning to use it, but it’s easily the best locking tremolo I’ve had/played. I am worried it might wear and tear over time though so I am thinking of either splashing out on a Original Floyd Rose, not the special the better one, or I’ve read the Gotoh ones are really decent for around a similar price as the ofr. I want to put a dime bucker in my bridge position too. I feel like this guitar is a good base point to upgrade and is definitely worthy of some better parts. I absolutely love my dinky
Dinky’s are good guitars. I’m glad you’re enjoying the axe! I still love the JS32 King V. It’s sitting to my right as we speak. Haha. Great guitars for the money. Keep shredding! 🤘
I could make the same or torture it even harder with my guitar (got the same but black) and I'll keep almost perfectly tuned. As some other comments mentioned, it's not just all about the bridge, if your guitar is not properly calibrated you'll get untuned even with the most expensive original floyd rose. And by "calibrated" I don't mean only bridge stuff but calibration in all the means. And yes, most of the cheap/mid-price guitars come not well calibrated at all because it's "manual" work to do and they're built with CNCs. Gonna upload a similar test later if you wanna come to check it and my other just-starting content. Thanks for sharing it!! And nice amp over there ;)
I got a Jackson JS32 Warrior with the same FR bridge and I balanced the springs inside and it doesn't go out of tune anymore even when I do divebombs and other whammy bar stuff.
I guarantee you that your Floyd Rose mounting studs are just worn out. I've noticed that especially with license under Floyd Rose trems. If anyone is reading this comment the trick to licensed Floyd Rose trems is not because of your tuners or your Floyd Rose it typically just is the material on the mounting studs if that doesn't work replace the base plate of the trem not the whole entire thing gives you time to wait until you can fully replace the trem (if you wanna upgrade) do be sure to lubricate with some chapstick or other lubrication tools that way when you are abusing the trem it won't wear the knife edges of the Floyd :)
My JS32 is even worse. If you touch the bar you blow it completely out o tune. I’ve never had a Floyd this bad and I don’t know where to start to fix it.
That’s weird. Maybe having a pro set it up might help a little bit. The JS series use the “licensed” Floyd rose systems. Which is a different way of saying “cheap” haha. Hopefully something helps out but I am personally never buying a Floyd rose guitar again. Most of my guitars are FRs and I’m getting tired of it.
I just about crapped my pants laughing at 4 minutes and 30 seconds!!! Yes it did sound better! ( instant miraculous tune healing! ) One of the less known secret features of the cheap Jackson Floyd Rose knock off!
Tommy J Kelley Jr Lol. Yeah I was definitely surprised by that. Out of tune? Just go nuts and snap it back in tune! I don’t know why Jackson doesn’t advertise that feature more. Haha
What if i would like to change floyd in my js32 king ? im about to buy a schaller locking tremolo but i dont know if it would ever work ? could someone give me an opinion on this ? im also worried about jackson locking nut, i should order r2 or r3 ?
I was looking into upgrading my Floyd rose but quickly ran into the same questions and concerns that you have. I’m going to get together with a guy who has been a luthier longer than I’ve been alive and have him do the upgrades and let me know what was needed. Then I’m going to do an updated video and have all the correct parts in a list. It will just take some time.
If I remember correctly, that color configuration is not available on the hard tail models. You can get King Vs without the Floyd Rose but I’m pretty sure you would have to pick different paint jobs. Good question.
Yeah, it is a decent first Floyd Rose guitar. I would caution you if you plan on doing big dive bombs and Kerry King style craziness. It will not hold a tuning under that much abuse. Keep shredding🤘🤘
I’d recommend the Adrian smith SDX signature Jackson. HSS pickup configuration which makes it versatile and from what I’ve heard that floyd is really good. And it’s only £450
I appreciate the honesty. Do you think it is the guitar model that is the problem or the floyd rose system itself? or a combination? when you say you take out the floyd rose and put in a real floyd rose, what does that mean?
uglijimus I believe the issue is with the Floyd Rose. Since it’s a cheaper guitar it comes with what is called a “licensed” Floyd Rose. It’s not made by the Floyd Rose company but another company has been given the rights to make a Floyd Rose like locking system. I’ll look into the cost of replacing the “licensed” system with a real system and do an update video. Thanks for the question!
My question is this. Have you changed the strings, or are these the original set ? And, I'm asking because I have the JS32 Rhoads with the licensed Floyd Rose, which I've had for about a year and a half, now, and I've only recently began having some issue with the G string going slightly out of tune, as it still has its' original strings on, which need replacing badly. Could this possibly be the only thing wrong with yours as well ? It's worth a shot, if they haven't been replaced with a quality set.
500erider man, a year and a half is so tiring for a set of strings. You definitely need to change them ASAP. And no, just like already pointed out, it's the problem with the mechanism of the bridge. These licensed FR systems are just because of the budget. The type of material and the design is all that matters here.
it sounded better towards the end because the bridge didn't go back to the exact spot where it was supposed to be in a few of the previous attempts. you could always block the trem so it only divebombs.
Was the Floyd set up? The bridge should be level with the body. And it's possible the mounting studs are garbage, which is like a $15 fix. BTW, I found the mounting studs on the cheaper Floyds, the one's with the cross bar are terrible.
Yeah, it was completely setup by my luthier so it was in the best condition it was going to be in for a torture test. I'll look into the mounting studs and see if it helps but I wanted to show how the guitar would perform stock.
True. It doesn’t hold up well when you go crazy on it but it still does the job, I guess. I just wanted it to be clear with people that it is NOT a real Floyd Rose and will not hold tuning like one. Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld I totally agree my Kelly has already started to go flat from using mine so much. But not wildly out of tune. I mainly use mine for vibrato, flutters, and dives
If i just go easy on it it is great but without standing up and playing it its stupid to try and hold i love V shapes but it will be the last one i buy
Well... I couldnt afford a decent guitar so I bought a second-hand Ibanez Gio GRG 06 ltd with an awesome cammo finish and installed Gotoh tuners and floating bridge. I did the same torture test and it passed all the way through.
Thanks for the question! I go straight into the amp from the guitar. No effects or pedals. My amp EQ is generally Bass at about 1 o’clock. Mids around 10-11 o’clock. And treble is generally turned all the way up. I also keep my gain very high as it helps with harmonics.
I bought a JS 32 Soloist and I can tell you that the JS stands for "Just Shitty". It's really more like "Just Fucking Shitty". The allen screws for the nut wouldn't stay screwed in, it sounded like crap, played even worse. My wife said it "Sounds like a toy". I laughed cuz she doesn't know about guitars at all but even she knew it was garbage. Really the only decent Jacksons are the USA Select series, but they cost a fortune anymore.
I’m no fancy scientist....but it sounds like you are definitely not a fan of the JS line. Hahaha. It is definitely not a guitar I recommend for experienced guitarists as a main that have the cash flow to get more expensive guitars.
Hi Stu. I'd like to ask if you could spare a couple minutes of your time and give me some advice please. I'm in the market for a new HH solid body Git. I can only spend 300 max on it and an amp. Since I live in an apartment im going with the vox amplug for the amp leaving me about 250 for the guitar. I've narrowed it down to 3 brands possibly 4, and what I like to know is which guitar will be most playable/dependable right out of the box along with reasonable sound and tone. If you were stuck in my shoes which would you chose: 1. Squier H H Strat or Tele standard/deluxe. 2. Epi les Paul or SG specials. 3. Ibanez gio rg120 or rga121 (archtop). *possible 4th. Harley Benton. The problem with HB is shipping is $35 bux. 10% of my available funds. I know you're a busy person so if you can I'd appreciate your opinion. But if you can't reply I totally understand. Either way thanks for the video/ upload. Ps. Classic rock is my primary choice of songs to play. Just an FYI in case that helps.
No joke. Bought a really shitty squier a few years ago, Was doing some playing… the goddamn bar broke off! I wasn’t even really going hard on it! Bridge was ruined.
You should also bring it to a pro to have the guitar setup. That’s what I always do. Tell them you need a full setup and you can tell them how high or low you want the bridge. You can set the bridges position when it is restrung.
If you aren’t planning on going nuts with the whammy bar then I think it’s a good buy. Great looking guitar, fun to play, a solid buy. I still have mine stock (I put my strings on there) but it is stock otherwise.
Hi, I don't do dive bomb but I am curious about your comment related to the replacement of the original machine heads. You find the tuners to be pretty useless and I bought a JS32 myself so it begs the question, what would you replace them with? Because of the locking nut, is there any point replacing the machine heads with brand new locking tuners for instance? I hear most people who buy locking tuners for their guitar usually replace the original nut with a graphite nut, but I also understand locking nuts are hard to replace. So if you were to leave the locking nut on, is there a point getting locking tuners is my question I guess? I had a guitar with locking nut a long time ago but I never really bothered to wonder whether these are just designed to prevent the strings to pop out or whether you are supposed to screw them tight to keep them tuned. Locking tuner and locking nut serve the same purpose, don't they?
Hi Bonux! Thanks for the question. The locking nut is designed to tighten on the strings in conjunction with the Floyd rose bridge. With a “licensed” Floyd rose, you get lower quality parts so they don’t hold as well. Adding locking tuners can be a cheaper/easier fix to add some tightness to the strings and help keep it in tune without having to replace the “licensed” Floyd rose. Replacing the “licensed” FR with an original one would be the best option, but there are many things you can do to a locking system. (Redo springs in many ways, locking nuts, switching to a different locking system, etc). Hope that answered your question.
@@StusWorld Thanks for your comprehensive reply, it makes complete sense now. So presumably a "licensed" FR should be the exact same dimensions as an original one if you were to go for the option of replacing it... hopefully. I think I will go for the cheaper option (locking tuners) for now but it is useful to know. Thanks again. Great video.
Yeah, it’s a decent FR but I wouldn’t recommend it if you’re planning on using it a lot. I don’t personally use the whammy bar a lot so it works for me. Let me know what you think when you get it. Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld thanks , but i think i Will get a Harley benton fusión ii with Floyd Rose . I Will play a Floyd Rose for the first time, that means i Will use It regulary. Anyway thanks for your answer.
A pure wild guess but did the bridge move on the pivot point? Rumor has it the lower cost FR's are made from a lower hardness steel and wear easily there. The knife edge on the tremolo or the posts might show something if inspected.
Good info. It did feel like it slipped at the pivot point. Which luckily helped out the tuning. Haha. I’ll have to inspect it to see if I can see any wear. Thanks for the tip! 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld You might be able to get better quality steel post and do a upgrade if you can find them the same thread size. If the metal on the bridge edge is bad that is not as easy a upgrade. The copy Floyd Roses should work well if the metal quality is up to the job. The Ibanez versions are pretty good.
Always worth nothing is they’re new strings they’ll go out of tune quicker cuz they’re yet to stretch like they would if they been on there a few weeks or so
Thanks for the informative video! Should I get a JS32 and change the Floyd Rose or should I pick one from the X series? I really got into Pantera recently and I really wanna try some Dimebag style dive bombs(I have never owned a Floyd Rose guitar).
Floyd Roses are amazing. Honestly an underrated FR machine is the BC Rich Beast (the model with the licensed floyd obviously) you can pull on that bridge until the strings get magnatized to the pickups and SHWOOP back to right where you were playing... its a sweet as guitar.
Do you think replacing the springs would help with the tuning? I know with the Jackson Indo Adrian Smith sigs that made a huge difference in stability for the guys who tried it
It might but the amount of slipping that happened was surprisingly high. I’ll look into getting some new springs and see if that would help. Thanks for the suggestion!!
My i banez bridge goes out of tune when i dive down but when i pull up i can bring it back to pitch! Anyone have any idea whats going on .....cause i dont know
My Ibanez Prestige RG3570Z does the same thing because it has the edge zero point mechanism added to the Floyd Rose tremolo system. So I always have to pull up a little bit at the end to get it back into pitch. The zero point thing is nice because it will always return the bridge back to “zero” but doesn’t allow for the strings to “snap” back fully since the zero mechanism doesn’t really allow for it. Hopefully your guitar has the same thing and answers your question. Or else I’ve just wasted your time. Lol
Stu's World. I do have a guitar with zr system and its fantastic i love it but the guitar im haveing issus with is the edge 3 i think thats what it is its similar to the one on my Jem jr and that one works fine as well ......im starting to think the problem is with the knife edes...any ideas bud?
Thanks for this specific abuse test. U just saved me $300. Floyd Rose or not the whole floating system has always been a pain. In your opinion does the higher price model name a difference really or will this still be a daily problem?
Ahem. Sorry. Just one of my favorite albums of all time. The “Floyd Rose” that comes on the JS32 line is a licensed product and is of lower quality compared to an actual Floyd Rose. I have a Jackson KVMG (~$900) that has a real Floyd Rose and it is MUCH better. But that’s given an idea for a video. A shootout between the JS32 and KVMG. BRILLIANT! Thank you
Yes. That is a higher end guitar than the JS32. So it shouldn’t be too much of an issue. However, any guitar will start slipping after awhile of wailing on the whammy. Great choice in guitar. I think it’s one of the best looking signature guitars ever. Which color scheme did you go with?
so this is an very affordable guitar and i kinda want one, maybe to play for a song or two. maybe if i buy one and upgrade it a little it should be fine. i mostly need it just so i have a floyd rose in a different tuning. seems good enough for that. Thanks
@@aaebsssb9914 Yes. That would be a very fine guitar. But you also have to weigh the cost of the floyd rose and pickups against just buying a guitar of that value that may already have those features.
Do you recommend putting these JS32 guitar an Original Floyd Rose? Or if is it actually possible to do it, I just bought a Js32 and wanted to change the bridge but I don't know if it's possible
I do believe that you can put a regular Floyd Rose on it. You just have to make sure you get the correct one. I’m not sure what model that is but I am pretty sure it can be done. Keep shredding 🤘🤘
question: what about intonation? i got 2 ibanez (gio and rg) both with problems on the higher frets, they go flat no matter if you set it properly, level the frets, etc. So i wonder if i should go with this jackson or a schecter omen elite... or a cheap ltd. I need good fret work and good intonation, i already have good pick ups and a floyd rose
Hello Stu! So, I’ve played this guitar (the non-tremolo version JS32T) in white and I quite liked it except for getting used to sit with it on the guitar. I’m planning to buy the Pro Series RR24Q in Transparent Purple now, what do you think, should I go for it or the Schecter C-1 FR SLS Elite? I liked the sound of the guitar, but, the main problems are still the Licensed Floyd-Rose. :)
Hey Sapphire! The Jackson Pro series comes with a legit Floyd Rose 1000 Series. So it should be perfectly fine. I have a Pro series King V and it the FR is great. Schecter makes real good guitars. I have a White Hellraiser V from them and I absolutely love it. It is hard tail so I can’t speak to their locking system but either guitar you get will be a solid purchase. That transparent purple is sick, though.
Stu's World yes brother, so, I discussed about buying the C-1 FR SLS Elite with my guitar instructor, and he told me not to buy it, he says the guitar isn’t worth $1,260 according to him because it used Swamp Ash and he said that I will not get good clean tones from that guitar. I really like that guitar from the finish to the pickups, man, there are so many options like the Jackson SL2Q MAH that I’m going crazy. Another good option is the ESP LTD KH-602 Kirk Hammett Signature, the only guitar at this price point that comes with a case. I’m stuck, I like the classyness of the RR but the comfortable playability of the rest. Help please! :(
Amazing video Stu! I love Floyd-Roses even though I don’t own an electric guitar and never played one except for a Squire Stratocaster HSS in the store. I’m looking to buy my first electric guitar and i want it to be the Jackson Made in Japan White with Black Bevels RR24. These guitars are ultra rare but if the price is right they are worth every penny. I’m choosing it because it has EMG-81, and i love EMG-81s and 85s and it has a Floyd-Rose Original which is guaranteed to survive the hardest of the squeals if it is set-up properly. Plus, 24 frets and that design! I want a little help from you. Can you help me find one? There is the one on Reverb but it costs $1900. I have to live in the streets if i but it. It originally costed maximum $1200 and used ones could be found as low as $600-$700 in mint conditions. But, this one man, they’re asking too much. If it was below $1000 then i would’ve bought it in a heartbeat. Plus, i also have to buy a decent amp and a guitar cable and strap. So, it will be a big buy. :)
Thanks for the question! My advice would be to wait until you find the deal you are looking for or have more money saved up. Do not make any purchase to the detriment of your life. It might take awhile but you can find yourself in the position to get what you want with some patience. I've been playing guitar for 20 years and still haven't been able to buy my dream guitar. Hopefully a good deal pops up on craigslist, facebook marketplace, reverb or ebay. Keep on checking. In the meantime, go out and get an amp, strap and cable to get you going. That way you can save back up for the guitar and not have to buy everything all at once. Hope that helps
Man, you really don't need that... if you live in the states, you have access to amazing gear for cheap prices. There are very few guitars that worth more than 800 bucks, and almost none of them have some brand logo stamped on the headstock. These instruments are priced based on the brand, paying that high amount just for the brand is some gucci buyer level of stupidity. Specially considering you are a beginner , it is not worth at all. If you're all about having that specific model, you can always go to a luthier or some custom guitar shop and pay him/them to custom build a replica, to the highest grade specs of your liking. Most likely will come cheaper, and definitely way better.
Guys, does replacing the Jackson bridge and nut with Original Floyd Rose work?
Asking because I m from India. The JS32 is available here ans there are some great deals available too. Unfortunately King Vs with the original FR are not. Even if they are they are stupidly expensive.
Getting an original FR set up through a friend in the states sounds like it is easier than actually importing a king v with the original FR set up.
Requesting your advice pls!
Hey hey! Sorry, I missed this comment. I honestly am not sure about sourcing an FR from the US instead of India. I pinned the comment to the top to see if someone has some experience or knowledge of this topic.
Keep shredding 🤘
@@StusWorld Thank you very much Stu. Appreciate your help.
I'd say get the JS32 and block it. Despite the trem its a quality guitar. Glue a piece of wood in the back of it so it goes down only (Look up blocking a Floyd for a better description of what to do) It's just as fun as a fully floating trem but MUCH easier to live with. Can turn a guitar with a questionable quality trem into something that stay in tune, give you no trouble restringing, and you can change tunings all you want.... While being just as fun
@@tk4x431 I am definitely going to look into this. Thanks!
Maybe you should get some stainless steel saddles from aliexpress. From what I can tell, this is a floyd rose 1000 series baseplate with the floyd rose special saddles. I believe many guitar companies are branding floyd rose bridge with their own names, including also LTD and Schecter. If I am correct, the baseplate should be hardened, so the weak link are the saddles. You would save so much money by doing that... you also can change your block to a bigger size or a different material, change the screws, change the inserts. It most likely will outperform a stock floyd rose original for much less money.
This is the only time I’ve ever seen a guitar abused back in tune!
lol. The beatings will continue until my tuning improves. New motto. hahahaha
That was Jimi's secret for the vintage strat trem - you can "pull" them back into tune
Just show the in-consistency of a chromoly trwm pivit points,.....it's not blocked so it was originally knocker off kilter,...then knockec back into place,......actually show even if set up correctly,...the cheap Floyd shoot stay in tune,.......people give them a bad rap,......just go out out and buy a replacement with it become f.u.b.r.,.....if it bothers you,...replace it with a $300 Floyd at that point,......No point in crying when the guitar only cost $330.
It's actually happened to me before
I think it happened @4:06/4:07 ! Glitch in the Matrix?! The one I just bought has a screw in the claw piece crooked sticking out at a 45degree angle. But it sounds perfect the way it is…but I don’t think mines gonna sound good after it slips!🧨💔♿️🔇
Jackson Licensed Floyd timestamp list
Control: 0:40
Steve Vai 0:50
Eddie Van Halen 1:51
Dimebag Darrell 2:25
Kerry King 3:43
Thanks! Pinning this to the top. 🤘
More time is required in setup for cheap floydish systems.for any needing advice, a good place to start would be to adjust your spring tension. Maybe even remove/add one. Or angle them.it depends on your gauge and tuning. Just because the bridge is in the right position and in tune, doesn't mean it will stay that way. Try to get it to stay in tune with a fair amount of tremolo use BEFORE locking the nut. Also make sure your strings are stretched considerably before you lock them.
Good information here. Pinning this to the top. Thanks Trenton!
Yea I got mine setup professionally and it holds tune super super well. Very satisfied with my tremblo system.
it was the locking nut for me, for straight a year i thought my floyd was broken and i blocked it it turned out the locking nuts required more force to clamp probably because they have worn out. i apply excessive pressure using my allen key with screwdriver tightening it more and it doesnt go out of tune now
3:40 Kerry King who
Haha. Just go ham on that wham!
No one:
Kerry King: 0-0-0-0
4:26 that reaction was hilarious!
Haha. Yeah that was definitely unexpected!
How the fuck in any way was that funny?
@@HassHeater33 How can you understand a joke if you have no brain
@@DonHichot if you think that shit was funny, you probably have enough extra chromosomes to make a friend to laugh at that with
@@HassHeater33 I think you loaned me a couple extra chromosomes with this poorly written garbage. Or maybe you’re just too intelligent for me to understand. Why don’t you explain what the fuck you meant?
Quick tip: if you replace the nut with an authentic FR nut it stays in tune almost perfectly. The metal they use for cheaper nuts is not strong enough to really lock down the strings, so it slips a little here and there. But if you put a high quality nut on there it can really make all the difference.
Good tip! Thank you.
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
What's the size of these jackson locking nuts? R2 or r3? Are they all the same?
Are you talking about the nut in its entirety, all parts included, or the locking clamps specifically?
its not about nut, its string retainer what it needs....and sustain block and springs and better studds and knife edges
When you said “I felt it slip a little bit” and it was suddenly in tune again, my jaw dropped, because that’s exactly what it’s like on mine. If I bend it up too far, it doesn’t sit right when it comes back down and the guitar goes out of tune. But if I bring it down slightly after, I feel it slip just a little bit, so it goes into place and it’s back in tune.
prob don't help your playing the 3rd interval in the chords with that much distortion it will automatically sound out of tune due to the harmonics of the 3rd interval clashing with tons of distortion
Make sure your strings are properly stretched. Sometimes it takes a long time to break strings in.
I had a similar set up Jackdon guitar. The trem was terrible as your video. It looked like the baseplate was made out of a soft material such as brass as it had a brassy look on the knife edges. I also experienced the guitar going back to near in tune. It was the whole stud and serrated edge bush moving up and down in the wood
Guitar was out of tune when u started. Restarted.
Yes
Came here to say the same thing 😂
My face and his matched at 4 32, all of a sudden Its sounding better and in perfect tune ahahaha
Haha. Yeah, man. It was perplexing. The performance of that Floyd rose was disappointing and unexpected. lol
@@StusWorld What cheap alternative would be better & would stay in tune ?
It's because you can bend the strings back in tune by pulling up on the bar and then back and you subtle get the string Backh in tune.
So beat the shit of it and its outa tune.. Beat it some more and it's in tune? Haha that ams some Metalocalypse shit dude.
Thats what’s we expects from grandpas guitars. Haha
Js32 series great guitar for the price and could gig with it fine. With a solid amp
Totally agree. Don’t regret buying it at all. I highly recommended buying in my review of the guitar.
I hardtailed floyd in mine, now it is absolutely lovely
the perfect conjuring tone
Dunno if there's anyone here that has tuning instability problems. It could stem from the triangular orientation of the springs. If it persists, try one of these methods
Change the orientation of the springs, so they're all going vertically in parallel. You can also add a spring at the bass side of the strings. This one worked for me on a JS32 Kelly
Alternative option is tightening the springs at the bass strings side.
You use the same as me! Randall and Jackson hell yeah! Papa Dime rules!
Fuck yeah, man! Getcha pull!!
I’m about to install a Bill Lawrence L500xl in the bridge of my JS32.
Not a BL USA. An old Bill and Becky XL.
It turned my $99 Washburn into a beast. Can’t wait to hear it In The Jackson.
The trem stays in tune
Pretty well. The only
Problem I had with the Guitar is the wiring. I had to replace it.
It sounded like you streched them into tune. I just bought one maple glossy black. It seems like a solid guitar. Thanks for reassuring me with this test.
I have a JS32 in natural. I beat the piss out of the Jackson Floyd and replaced it with a 1000. It's a beast!
I have had to do that with an Ibanez as well. I put an Edge Pro in my RG4somethingorother and again, like a new guitar!
I picked up a new Kelly KEX a few months back. It has a Special in it. I haven't had any problems with the Specials so far, when I've bought them new.
Really good information! Thanks, man! Yeah, I don't have a big tuning problem with my Jackson King V with a real floyd rose. Good to know that replacing it will help out. Keep shredding!
I hope people weren't expecting gig quality for $300. More like best option for that price imo.
Pretty much. It’s a solid guitar for only $300. I’m glad I took the chance on it. Matches my KVMG Pro.
Nice. Mine's arriving on Saturday. First guitar I've bought for this price, and easily the highest quality one I'll have had to date. 24 jumbo frets, double locking trem and sweet pickups for that price is crazy.
Nice! That’s exciting. How are you liking it so far?
I'm sure I would have but the company delivering it messed up and it never arrived. I got a full refund but I'm probably gonna wait before trying to get a new one.
I got one with emgs in it for 250 would an actual ofr be a direct fit?
Went from King V to Queen B real quick
Hahahahahaah at 4:27, I made the same face you did, I was like wtf did it just tune correct itself LOLOL. Awesome Video, I'm getting this V, for the looks, it sounds pretty good for the price. Hope you're still doing well man, looking forward to a new video.
Haha. Yeah that was definitely a funny surprise.
I’m doing alright. Thanks for asking. Had a setback with my battle against cancer so I have been very exhausted as my treatment continues. So hopefully I beat this shit soon and can get back soon.
You should do more videos man. Informative and you seem comfy in front of a camera.
Thanks, man! I have been battling cancer the past few months but I am coming back. I had a few videos shot that I was going to have released over the holiday but the drive took a shit. So I’m building a new PC tomorrow. So look out for more content soon!
@@StusWorld Man I'm sorry to hear that. Hope all is going well, beat that shit. Looking forward to the vids!
@@StusWorld hope you’re recovering well man
What is he doing around 2:37 I mean, how, what technique is this
It's how dimebag achieved those high pitched harmonic squeals. It is a little hard to describe what is going on through text but I could make a video on how to grab those harmonics without picking. It's tricky because it requires a ton of gain. You can do the same thing by just picking the natural harmonic and using the whammy bar.
Stu's World well if you have the time and don't mind, Id appreciate it buddy
Ask and you shall receive! Just uploaded
Dimebag signature harmonic squeals 🤘
Pinch Harmonics. Plenty of TH-cam videos on the technique.
I don’t care that guitar is out of tune, that guitar playing with kick ass! I love a lot of the contact that I got coming to me from your channel so I know but I love it!
Wow! Thanks for the kind word, man! 🤘
I dont know what kinda guitar you got, but i have the js32 king v with the floyd as well and i've done dimebag screams and it holds tune just fine
Me too, i bought back in 2014, it keeps the tune fine 😎
Perfect video. I was looking at buying this guitar and wondering how well the bridge would handle torture. Thanks man :-)
I make sure to stretch my new strings before playing my Jackson JS32 and it keeps it in tune even after some abuse. Good video though, you absolutely rock.🤘
4:26 Hahaha! Self retuning floyd.
Haha. Strange things can happen! 🤘🤘
I'm thinking about buying a js32 Kelly and putting a ton of upgrades (like more that the guitar is worth) in it, lol. a $300 guitar with $200 worth of tuners, an original Floyd Rose ($200), high end locking tuners, a locking nut, and, of course, strap locks...
It's going to be... epic!
It’s a great value guitar for what it is. I drop tune to d on my fine tuner and I replaced the pickups. I think like he said, if you do insane floyd rose abuse stuff it’ll slip.
Got myself Warrior JS32 and the bridge is rock solid on that one. It ofc won't hold up well with new strings, they need some time of playing till they get properly stretched. I had issues only with low E, so I just tighetened the screw holding the string in the bridge a bit, went completely crazy on the whammy bar for whole minute, retuned, and the problem was gone. I didn't have to adjust the tension of the bridge springs at all though and since then, the entire guitar is snapping exactly into tune. Also, playing open G or any open chord for the matter on heavy distortion is sacriledge and a terrible choice for trying to judge how in tune it is. Play couple of power chords on different strings or use tuner, open chord will always sound like trash even when in tune. Last but not least, after just letting go of the whammy bar, the bridge may need a bit of help to get back to the neutral position, and a single bend or touch in the opposite direction of the previous movement helps with that. Which is probably heavily accented on a new bridge on a cheap guitar, and it just needs some work and wear before it actually does what it's supposed to. Probably what happened to you at 4:25.
I heard the licensed Floyd rose on the js models is "cheap". Totally agree with everything you said about Jackson guitars, including the js king. They do look incomplete w/o the neck/headstock binding!
i have a cheap jackson warrior, same thing as this just a different body, and have learned that if i leave the nuts off the locking nut it stays in tune better
also if i adjust the bridge screws and stuff like that i have to let it sit for quite a while for the strings to settle in, but i have always used somewhat heavy strings, i plan on using lighter ones and maybe it wont be as much of an issue then
i have had the strings on for a long time and as long as the locking nuts arent on i have no problem keeping it in tune regardless of how much i use the whammy, even if the bridge isnt perfectly flat
so basically if you are having trouble tuning, try removing the locking nuts
Very interesting. It seems counterintuitive to remove the locking nuts since they’re part of the system that is supposed to keep the strings in tune. Lol. I’ll have to give this a try. Thanks for the info, Mishkin! 🤘
I’ve had a few cheap copy Floyd’s and I once had an Ibanez RG with the Ibanez version locking tremolo which until now was probably the best overall quality and performance trem I’d ever played. Then last year I bought a pre owned ESP off an online seller, it was dirt cheap because it had some chunks and chips in the body, it was supposed to be fitted from new with a Floyd Rose Special but the seller had taken it out and put a cheap £30 piece of crap that had to be locked off permanently as it was just really poorly made. Then a few weeks back I got a JS32 arch top with the Jackson Floyd for £100, like new condition. It’s by far the nicest thing I’ve ever played, and considering the tremolos I’ve had in the past, this thing is so nice to be able to use properly at last, I’d say the fine tuners are a little bit roughly threaded and I might look into loobing them a bit to make them smoother to turn, but the tremolo itself just feels so good, smooth and responsive, and i finally have confidence that I can use it, then let it go and it’s back in tune, I haven’t really abused it though to be fair I’m still learning to use it, but it’s easily the best locking tremolo I’ve had/played. I am worried it might wear and tear over time though so I am thinking of either splashing out on a Original Floyd Rose, not the special the better one, or I’ve read the Gotoh ones are really decent for around a similar price as the ofr. I want to put a dime bucker in my bridge position too. I feel like this guitar is a good base point to upgrade and is definitely worthy of some better parts. I absolutely love my dinky
Dinky’s are good guitars. I’m glad you’re enjoying the axe! I still love the JS32 King V. It’s sitting to my right as we speak. Haha. Great guitars for the money.
Keep shredding! 🤘
I have a Ibanez gio and it stays right in tune no matter what
I could make the same or torture it even harder with my guitar (got the same but black) and I'll keep almost perfectly tuned. As some other comments mentioned, it's not just all about the bridge, if your guitar is not properly calibrated you'll get untuned even with the most expensive original floyd rose. And by "calibrated" I don't mean only bridge stuff but calibration in all the means. And yes, most of the cheap/mid-price guitars come not well calibrated at all because it's "manual" work to do and they're built with CNCs. Gonna upload a similar test later if you wanna come to check it and my other just-starting content. Thanks for sharing it!! And nice amp over there ;)
Thanks! I will check out the video. Keep shredding!
I got a Jackson JS32 Warrior with the same FR bridge and I balanced the springs inside and it doesn't go out of tune anymore even when I do divebombs and other whammy bar stuff.
“Maybe if it slips a little bit, you have to beat the shit out of it and it goes back in tune” 😂
Lol. Yeah, that was an unexpected outcome. Haha
Great showing dude have this guitar and really great messed with the trem but cool alright.
In all fair honesty Jackson somewhat disregarded the Floyd rose requirement of a locking nut which is not a feature in the description.
This man made it cry
3:50 slayer mode ON
Lol. You’re damn right!! 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld If You say so, thanks 😁 And greetings from Poland
I guarantee you that your Floyd Rose mounting studs are just worn out. I've noticed that especially with license under Floyd Rose trems. If anyone is reading this comment the trick to licensed Floyd Rose trems is not because of your tuners or your Floyd Rose it typically just is the material on the mounting studs if that doesn't work replace the base plate of the trem not the whole entire thing gives you time to wait until you can fully replace the trem (if you wanna upgrade) do be sure to lubricate with some chapstick or other lubrication tools that way when you are abusing the trem it won't wear the knife edges of the Floyd :)
Very good info! Thank you for sharing 🤘
My JS32 is even worse. If you touch the bar you blow it completely out o tune. I’ve never had a Floyd this bad and I don’t know where to start to fix it.
That’s weird. Maybe having a pro set it up might help a little bit. The JS series use the “licensed” Floyd rose systems. Which is a different way of saying “cheap” haha. Hopefully something helps out but I am personally never buying a Floyd rose guitar again. Most of my guitars are FRs and I’m getting tired of it.
Great playing and amp
Upgrade the floyd rose/pickups and you're golden. This is a great guitar for the price!
Yes, it is. I still love it!
I just about crapped my pants laughing at 4 minutes and 30 seconds!!! Yes it did sound better! ( instant miraculous tune healing! ) One of the less known secret features of the cheap Jackson Floyd Rose knock off!
Tommy J Kelley Jr Lol. Yeah I was definitely surprised by that. Out of tune? Just go nuts and snap it back in tune! I don’t know why Jackson doesn’t advertise that feature more. Haha
What if i would like to change floyd in my js32 king ? im about to buy a schaller locking tremolo but i dont know if it would ever work ? could someone give me an opinion on this ? im also worried about jackson locking nut, i should order r2 or r3 ?
I was looking into upgrading my Floyd rose but quickly ran into the same questions and concerns that you have. I’m going to get together with a guy who has been a luthier longer than I’ve been alive and have him do the upgrades and let me know what was needed. Then I’m going to do an updated video and have all the correct parts in a list. It will just take some time.
Hmmmm, odd. I have this exact model and it stays in tune fine. Replace the nut maybe?
Can I get the guitar but without the Floyd Rose or does it only come the Floyd Rose?
If I remember correctly, that color configuration is not available on the hard tail models. You can get King Vs without the Floyd Rose but I’m pretty sure you would have to pick different paint jobs. Good question.
that model is js 32T without floyd rose
Is it still a decent first floyd rose guitar, and if not any alternative for under 500 ?
Yeah, it is a decent first Floyd Rose guitar. I would caution you if you plan on doing big dive bombs and Kerry King style craziness. It will not hold a tuning under that much abuse.
Keep shredding🤘🤘
I’d recommend the Adrian smith SDX signature Jackson. HSS pickup configuration which makes it versatile and from what I’ve heard that floyd is really good. And it’s only £450
I appreciate the honesty. Do you think it is the guitar model that is the problem or the floyd rose system itself? or a combination?
when you say you take out the floyd rose and put in a real floyd rose, what does that mean?
uglijimus I believe the issue is with the Floyd Rose. Since it’s a cheaper guitar it comes with what is called a “licensed” Floyd Rose. It’s not made by the Floyd Rose company but another company has been given the rights to make a Floyd Rose like locking system. I’ll look into the cost of replacing the “licensed” system with a real system and do an update video.
Thanks for the question!
My question is this. Have you changed the strings, or are these the original set ? And, I'm asking because I have the JS32 Rhoads with the licensed Floyd Rose, which I've had for about a year and a half, now, and I've only recently began having some issue with the G string going slightly out of tune, as it still has its' original strings on, which need replacing badly. Could this possibly be the only thing wrong with yours as well ? It's worth a shot, if they haven't been replaced with a quality set.
500erider man, a year and a half is so tiring for a set of strings. You definitely need to change them ASAP. And no, just like already pointed out, it's the problem with the mechanism of the bridge. These licensed FR systems are just because of the budget. The type of material and the design is all that matters here.
Stu's World if i block it, will it remain in tune? or are the blocks and the steel weak?
uglijimus I found that the flyod itself was the problem and I had a spare lying around and I put it on and it was just like playing a kv pro
it sounded better towards the end because the bridge didn't go back to the exact spot where it was supposed to be in a few of the previous attempts. you could always block the trem so it only divebombs.
Get a hipshot tremsetter, that's what I use with my licensed floyd and with dimebag Squeals and divebombs never, ever goes outs tune.
Please provide a tip for the maintenance of floyd rose for this guitar
How well was the guitar set up tho? if things are tight ,it won't loose tune,I promise
When illustrate the dimebag dive bombs what are you play are you just pluck the string with your left hand ?
Was the Floyd set up? The bridge should be level with the body. And it's possible the mounting studs are garbage, which is like a $15 fix. BTW, I found the mounting studs on the cheaper Floyds, the one's with the cross bar are terrible.
Yeah, it was completely setup by my luthier so it was in the best condition it was going to be in for a torture test. I'll look into the mounting studs and see if it helps but I wanted to show how the guitar would perform stock.
Can I get rid of this by upgrading the bridge
I have a JS32 Kelly and love it but I do agree the FR could’ve been made better but it’s still not bad for being a licensed version
True. It doesn’t hold up well when you go crazy on it but it still does the job, I guess. I just wanted it to be clear with people that it is NOT a real Floyd Rose and will not hold tuning like one.
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld I totally agree my Kelly has already started to go flat from using mine so much. But not wildly out of tune. I mainly use mine for vibrato, flutters, and dives
Starting at the 3:34 mark it's like Kerry King took over
Haha. I guess I look more like Kerry than I thought.
I think the screws on these are weak or something because if i pull the trem a little after i let it back to center it will lose tune
Yeah it is definitely something to watch out for. How do you like the guitar overall, though?
If i just go easy on it it is great but without standing up and playing it its stupid to try and hold i love V shapes but it will be the last one i buy
The actions awesome the neck is straight and it comes with nice pickups and for 200 dollars it only has a few minor scratches
Mine is black with chrome hardware. But i bet if you replaced the screws where the trem floats it would be a whole new guitar
Did that thing just retuned itself? dafaq
Haha. Weird, right?
Well... I couldnt afford a decent guitar so I bought a second-hand Ibanez Gio GRG 06 ltd with an awesome cammo finish and installed Gotoh tuners and floating bridge. I did the same torture test and it passed all the way through.
Nice! I’ve been thinking of having it set up again and giving a second chance. The slippage was too high.
i almost sold mine. Good thing I didn't, now I'm saving for Dimarzios.
if you upgrade it, post the comparison test :)
I have a £120 pound Squier Strat. It failed...
I may never know the answer as to why...
Absolutely. Just spent money on better audio equipment so I have to put off the upgrades. But it is for the greater good.
Hi!! I have the same amp (Randall) and guitar, but my effects are shit, could you please tell me your ecualization or your pedals? Thx
Thanks for the question!
I go straight into the amp from the guitar. No effects or pedals. My amp EQ is generally Bass at about 1 o’clock. Mids around 10-11 o’clock. And treble is generally turned all the way up. I also keep my gain very high as it helps with harmonics.
I bought a JS 32 Soloist and I can tell you that the JS stands for "Just Shitty". It's really more like "Just Fucking Shitty". The allen screws for the nut wouldn't stay screwed in, it sounded like crap, played even worse. My wife said it "Sounds like a toy". I laughed cuz she doesn't know about guitars at all but even she knew it was garbage. Really the only decent Jacksons are the USA Select series, but they cost a fortune anymore.
I’m no fancy scientist....but it sounds like you are definitely not a fan of the JS line. Hahaha. It is definitely not a guitar I recommend for experienced guitarists as a main that have the cash flow to get more expensive guitars.
Hi Stu. I'd like to ask if you could spare a couple minutes of your time and give me some advice please.
I'm in the market for a new HH solid body Git. I can only spend 300 max on it and an amp. Since I live in an apartment im going with the vox amplug for the amp leaving me about 250 for the guitar. I've narrowed it down to 3 brands possibly 4, and what I like to know is which guitar will be most playable/dependable right out of the box along with reasonable sound and tone. If you were stuck in my shoes which would you chose:
1. Squier H H Strat
or Tele standard/deluxe.
2. Epi les Paul or SG specials.
3. Ibanez gio rg120 or rga121 (archtop).
*possible 4th. Harley Benton. The problem with HB is shipping is $35 bux. 10% of my available funds.
I know you're a busy person so if you can I'd appreciate your opinion. But if you can't reply I totally understand. Either way thanks for the video/ upload.
Ps. Classic rock is my primary choice of songs to play. Just an FYI in case that helps.
Phil C. Honestly the Squier Tele would be the best I think
Jackson JS32 dinky....got mine for $250 at guitar center. Get a set up!
Hey, is your guitar heavily stained? Can you make a new clip for me to see?
No joke. Bought a really shitty squier a few years ago, Was doing some playing… the goddamn bar broke off! I wasn’t even really going hard on it! Bridge was ruined.
my squier does can hold tune like nobody’s business. i only have to tune it maybe 2-3 times a month of daily use and abuse
Sir I just got my guitar it’s a used one the bridge has gone down and I don’t know how to tune the guitar
What would be your suggestion sir
turn the guitar over, open the cover behind the bridge and loosen the two screws holding the spring plate (both at the same rate).
You should also bring it to a pro to have the guitar setup. That’s what I always do. Tell them you need a full setup and you can tell them how high or low you want the bridge. You can set the bridges position when it is restrung.
I’m about to get this guitar sir what do you suggest should I take this?
If you aren’t planning on going nuts with the whammy bar then I think it’s a good buy. Great looking guitar, fun to play, a solid buy. I still have mine stock (I put my strings on there) but it is stock otherwise.
@@StusWorld thank you so much sir.
Sir you are really a great TH-camr who gives reply too all the comments
Thank you for your suggestion 😊😃
Hi, I don't do dive bomb but I am curious about your comment related to the replacement of the original machine heads. You find the tuners to be pretty useless and I bought a JS32 myself so it begs the question, what would you replace them with? Because of the locking nut, is there any point replacing the machine heads with brand new locking tuners for instance? I hear most people who buy locking tuners for their guitar usually replace the original nut with a graphite nut, but I also understand locking nuts are hard to replace. So if you were to leave the locking nut on, is there a point getting locking tuners is my question I guess? I had a guitar with locking nut a long time ago but I never really bothered to wonder whether these are just designed to prevent the strings to pop out or whether you are supposed to screw them tight to keep them tuned. Locking tuner and locking nut serve the same purpose, don't they?
Hi Bonux! Thanks for the question.
The locking nut is designed to tighten on the strings in conjunction with the Floyd rose bridge. With a “licensed” Floyd rose, you get lower quality parts so they don’t hold as well. Adding locking tuners can be a cheaper/easier fix to add some tightness to the strings and help keep it in tune without having to replace the “licensed” Floyd rose.
Replacing the “licensed” FR with an original one would be the best option, but there are many things you can do to a locking system. (Redo springs in many ways, locking nuts, switching to a different locking system, etc).
Hope that answered your question.
@@StusWorld Thanks for your comprehensive reply, it makes complete sense now. So presumably a "licensed" FR should be the exact same dimensions as an original one if you were to go for the option of replacing it... hopefully. I think I will go for the cheaper option (locking tuners) for now but it is useful to know. Thanks again. Great video.
I will buy a jackson js 32 dinky ,is this floyd rose at least OK( i mean, if it is decent)???
Yeah, it’s a decent FR but I wouldn’t recommend it if you’re planning on using it a lot. I don’t personally use the whammy bar a lot so it works for me. Let me know what you think when you get it.
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld thanks , but i think i Will get a Harley benton fusión ii with Floyd Rose . I Will play a Floyd Rose for the first time, that means i Will use It regulary. Anyway thanks for your answer.
No problem. Let me know how you like the Harley Benton. I’ve been looking at their explorer model.
@@StusWorld 2 months ago i bought the Harley benton fusión 2 FR and i think its a decente guitar for the price, the Floyd 1000 works ok.
A pure wild guess but did the bridge move on the pivot point? Rumor has it the lower cost FR's are made from a lower hardness steel and wear easily there. The knife edge on the tremolo or the posts might show something if inspected.
Good info. It did feel like it slipped at the pivot point. Which luckily helped out the tuning. Haha. I’ll have to inspect it to see if I can see any wear. Thanks for the tip! 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld You might be able to get better quality steel post and do a upgrade if you can find them the same thread size. If the metal on the bridge edge is bad that is not as easy a upgrade. The copy Floyd Roses should work well if the metal quality is up to the job. The Ibanez versions are pretty good.
Amazing thing happens, dime bombs „fixed” tunning a little. I think there is a little caviat ton how to setup all these fr bridges :)
my js32 stays tuned better then in the video🤷🏻♂️
Will this guitar be able to stay in tune to like low tunings such as d standard or c# standard
To be honest the guitar was pretty gun it stayed in tune pretty well or its that you can extremely precise ears
Always worth nothing is they’re new strings they’ll go out of tune quicker cuz they’re yet to stretch like they would if they been on there a few weeks or so
Any budget recommendations on keeping it in tune
Thanks for the informative video! Should I get a JS32 and change the Floyd Rose or should I pick one from the X series? I really got into Pantera recently and I really wanna try some Dimebag style dive bombs(I have never owned a Floyd Rose guitar).
Floyd Roses are amazing.
Honestly an underrated FR machine is the BC Rich Beast (the model with the licensed floyd obviously) you can pull on that bridge until the strings get magnatized to the pickups and SHWOOP back to right where you were playing... its a sweet as guitar.
If you replaced the Floyd rose with a more expensive one would it still go out of tune when playing ?
That is the idea. I do not have a tuning problem with my Jackson King V that has a real floyd rose.
Do you think replacing the springs would help with the tuning? I know with the Jackson Indo Adrian Smith sigs that made a huge difference in stability for the guys who tried it
It might but the amount of slipping that happened was surprisingly high. I’ll look into getting some new springs and see if that would help. Thanks for the suggestion!!
In my opinion Jackson’s under 300 are great but any higher and you start waisting money
So you like the js32? Im thinking i. Getting the ivory rhoads js32 with floyd. I just want a rhoads jackson :(
My i banez bridge goes out of tune when i dive down but when i pull up i can bring it back to pitch! Anyone have any idea whats going on .....cause i dont know
My Ibanez Prestige RG3570Z does the same thing because it has the edge zero point mechanism added to the Floyd Rose tremolo system. So I always have to pull up a little bit at the end to get it back into pitch. The zero point thing is nice because it will always return the bridge back to “zero” but doesn’t allow for the strings to “snap” back fully since the zero mechanism doesn’t really allow for it. Hopefully your guitar has the same thing and answers your question. Or else I’ve just wasted your time. Lol
Stu's World. I do have a guitar with zr system and its fantastic i love it but the guitar im haveing issus with is the edge 3 i think thats what it is its similar to the one on my Jem jr and that one works fine as well ......im starting to think the problem is with the knife edes...any ideas bud?
McNasty thanks for the advise bud🤘
Thanks for this specific abuse test. U just saved me $300. Floyd Rose or not the whole floating system has always been a pain. In your opinion does the higher price model name a difference really or will this still be a daily problem?
LIFE, BIRTH, BLOOD, DOOM. THE HOLE IN THE GROUND IS COMING ‘ROUND SOON!!
Ahem. Sorry. Just one of my favorite albums of all time. The “Floyd Rose” that comes on the JS32 line is a licensed product and is of lower quality compared to an actual Floyd Rose. I have a Jackson KVMG (~$900) that has a real Floyd Rose and it is MUCH better. But that’s given an idea for a video. A shootout between the JS32 and KVMG. BRILLIANT! Thank you
@@StusWorld Haha Yes Sir! Merry Christmas.
just getting a jackson demmelition at a local pawn shop, i'm guessing it would stay in tune after dimebag dive bombs?
Yes. That is a higher end guitar than the JS32. So it shouldn’t be too much of an issue. However, any guitar will start slipping after awhile of wailing on the whammy.
Great choice in guitar. I think it’s one of the best looking signature guitars ever. Which color scheme did you go with?
Stu's World it’s the black version, and is cheaper because someone took out the active pickups
Were the strings stretched?
Miss Piggy no
Im not planning on using the bar pretty much at all, how well does this bridge hold out for just normal playing?
For just normal playing it’s fine. I don’t have issues when not hammering the whammy bar.
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld Good good, no more getting pissed at my g string then 😂
Thanks 🤘🤘
Lol. Well I don’t know if I would go that far. There’s ALWAYS an issue with a g string. Lol
@@StusWorld Yeah good point, the g string exists only to annoy guitarists and for nothing more 😂
so this is an very affordable guitar and i kinda want one, maybe to play for a song or two. maybe if i buy one and upgrade it a little it should be fine. i mostly need it just so i have a floyd rose in a different tuning. seems good enough for that. Thanks
Glad I could help make your decision!
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
@@StusWorld Do you think its a good idea to buy one and put some duncans in it and maybe a floud rose
@@aaebsssb9914 Yes. That would be a very fine guitar. But you also have to weigh the cost of the floyd rose and pickups against just buying a guitar of that value that may already have those features.
yes
2:12 that face says it all
3:45 STOP IT PATRICK, YOU'RE *TORTURING* HIM
Stop! Stop! He’s already dead! Haha
Do you recommend putting these JS32 guitar an Original Floyd Rose? Or if is it actually possible to do it, I just bought a Js32 and wanted to change the bridge but I don't know if it's possible
I do believe that you can put a regular Floyd Rose on it. You just have to make sure you get the correct one. I’m not sure what model that is but I am pretty sure it can be done.
Keep shredding 🤘🤘
Am I tone deaf or something, because even after the dimebag test, it sounded pretty good to me
Not tone deaf. There’s a point where I feel the bridge slip while I’m going nuts and it seems to throw it back in tune. Really weird.
question: what about intonation? i got 2 ibanez (gio and rg) both with problems on the higher frets, they go flat no matter if you set it properly, level the frets, etc. So i wonder if i should go with this jackson or a schecter omen elite... or a cheap ltd. I need good fret work and good intonation, i already have good pick ups and a floyd rose
Hello Stu! So, I’ve played this guitar (the non-tremolo version JS32T) in white and I quite liked it except for getting used to sit with it on the guitar. I’m planning to buy the Pro Series RR24Q in Transparent Purple now, what do you think, should I go for it or the Schecter C-1 FR SLS Elite? I liked the sound of the guitar, but, the main problems are still the Licensed Floyd-Rose. :)
Hey Sapphire! The Jackson Pro series comes with a legit Floyd Rose 1000 Series. So it should be perfectly fine. I have a Pro series King V and it the FR is great. Schecter makes real good guitars. I have a White Hellraiser V from them and I absolutely love it. It is hard tail so I can’t speak to their locking system but either guitar you get will be a solid purchase. That transparent purple is sick, though.
Stu's World yes brother, so, I discussed about buying the C-1 FR SLS Elite with my guitar instructor, and he told me not to buy it, he says the guitar isn’t worth $1,260 according to him because it used Swamp Ash and he said that I will not get good clean tones from that guitar. I really like that guitar from the finish to the pickups, man, there are so many options like the Jackson SL2Q MAH that I’m going crazy. Another good option is the ESP LTD KH-602 Kirk Hammett Signature, the only guitar at this price point that comes with a case. I’m stuck, I like the classyness of the RR but the comfortable playability of the rest. Help please! :(
Amazing video Stu! I love Floyd-Roses even though I don’t own an electric guitar and never played one except for a Squire Stratocaster HSS in the store. I’m looking to buy my first electric guitar and i want it to be the Jackson Made in Japan White with Black Bevels RR24. These guitars are ultra rare but if the price is right they are worth every penny. I’m choosing it because it has EMG-81, and i love EMG-81s and 85s and it has a Floyd-Rose Original which is guaranteed to survive the hardest of the squeals if it is set-up properly. Plus, 24 frets and that design! I want a little help from you. Can you help me find one? There is the one on Reverb but it costs $1900. I have to live in the streets if i but it. It originally costed maximum $1200 and used ones could be found as low as $600-$700 in mint conditions. But, this one man, they’re asking too much. If it was below $1000 then i would’ve bought it in a heartbeat. Plus, i also have to buy a decent amp and a guitar cable and strap. So, it will be a big buy. :)
Thanks for the question! My advice would be to wait until you find the deal you are looking for or have more money saved up. Do not make any purchase to the detriment of your life. It might take awhile but you can find yourself in the position to get what you want with some patience. I've been playing guitar for 20 years and still haven't been able to buy my dream guitar. Hopefully a good deal pops up on craigslist, facebook marketplace, reverb or ebay. Keep on checking. In the meantime, go out and get an amp, strap and cable to get you going. That way you can save back up for the guitar and not have to buy everything all at once.
Hope that helps
Man, you really don't need that... if you live in the states, you have access to amazing gear for cheap prices. There are very few guitars that worth more than 800 bucks, and almost none of them have some brand logo stamped on the headstock. These instruments are priced based on the brand, paying that high amount just for the brand is some gucci buyer level of stupidity.
Specially considering you are a beginner , it is not worth at all. If you're all about having that specific model, you can always go to a luthier or some custom guitar shop and pay him/them to custom build a replica, to the highest grade specs of your liking. Most likely will come cheaper, and definitely way better.