Sweet! Nothing like the sweet sounding roots blown 567 engine. Here in the US, that sweet sounding chant of the 567 engine is rarely heard on the mainlines. It's mostly heard on industrial rail systems such as grain elevators, food processing plants, and waste management plants. Sadly can no longer be heard on major class 1 Rail carriers in North America except for CN in Canada, they still operate EMD "chopped nose" GP9 diesel locomotives.
I'm not sure which locomotives you are referring to - the oldest that are still in "regular service" _i.e._ trains that primarily run a scheduled service for passengers or frieght, are diesel-electrics probably dating from no earlier than the late 1950's. But there are preserved locomotives in the UK that are far older than 100 years - the Severn Valley Railway has an operational steam locomotive built in 1900, and the North Yorkshire Moors Railway has a British locomotive that is still operational that was built in 1904, and one imported from Belgium that was built in 1890. I am sure there are others that are still operational - during a quick trawl through the wikipedia pages I found that the Ribble Steam Railway has one built in 1894, the Great Central Railway has one built in 1911, and the Bluebell Railway has one built in 1896 and another built in 1905.
Based mechanically on the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end. The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7. No E unit mechanical based locomotives in Australia but lots of F7 based classes.
Just a question. When these diesels had their bogies exchanged at the Army Base at Bandiana, what did they use to lift them. Wodonga wasnt huge in those days days, although there was always work being done on the Hume Weir wall & Bethanga Bridge.
Hi from Green Bay Wisconsin USA. Go Packers!!! N.F.L. lol. WOW!!! Loco S303 with slings under coupler looks like the Whale on a hook, lol. Question? What is top speed of S303, on wide guage in M.P.H. and K.P.H. then also on new Standard guage mph/kph? Here in USA, E.M.D. E8A in 1946 on the Chicago and North-Western RR., with "400" streamliners from Chicago to Milwaukee, Wi., then Minneapolis/Saint Paul Minnesota, raced by at 117 M.P.H.!!!!! But sadly the u.s. govt. forced to go slower at only 79 mph. This also is for Amtrak, now 50 years old, from 1971 to 2021 A.D. Steam locos with coal were much faster like New York Central RR Class J3A 4-6-4 Hudson Numbers 5450 to 5459, Alco-1938, with Streamlined Bullet nose in Art Deco Style, that pulled THE 20th Century Limited from Chicago, East to New York, at 120 M.P H.!!!!! Plus special wheel spin test on greasy slip track got to high speed of estimated 164 M.P.H.!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Day!!
An EMD E unit was quite different from an SD series or an F unit! The E units had two 12 cylinder 567 prime movers, each powering one of the A1A trucks ("bogies"). The center axle on each truck was an idler wheelset, for weight distribution purposes. An SD series locomotive had a single prime mover, and they rode on C type trucks, where all three axles on the truck have traction motors. It looks like this one might have the longer carbody of an E unit, but I would be very surprised if anyone outside of North American passenger operators was interested in the E unit. Some US freight railroads attempted to use E units in freight service after passenger services were discontinued, but it seems that it was disastrously bad in freight service . F units could simply be re-geared for freight service.
@@brentboswell1294 Erie-Lackawanna converted a number of E units to freight service by making a number of changes to make them more suitable for that service. They were regeared and the steam generators removed and the water tanks repurposed to hold additional fuel. They ran for a number of years.
Based mechanically on the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end. The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7. No E unit based locomotives in Australia. The complications ot two prime movers and having centre axles not contributing to pulling power ruled them out as did the extra length.
Nothing as pretty as the freshly painted Victorian Railways blue and gold livery. As a friend of mine used to say, "As flash as a rat with a gold tooth" Sleeper replacement needed at 13:55?
The S class is one I have fond memories of. I've never been to Australia, but they're awesome to run with in Trainz Simulator Android 1, good stand ins for E units, or as themselves.
Once when I was coming home from Albury to Melbourne on the Intercapital Daylight it came to a stand at Moonee Ponds crossing loop because the NSW loco had developed a flat spot and was going bumpity-bumpity-bumpity. As I understand it, the procedure is to attach another locomotive in front of it so we waited about 45 minutes. Eventually an S class arrived, but it attached to our train by it's nose which meant it was leading the train from the hostlers end, supposedly a big no-no. Normally done for shunting and perhaps it was deemed that the ten odd kilometeters was a shunting move? Surely the S wasn't the only spare loco on SG that night? Sorry I forget which S.
hi daryl that would have been classed as an emergency movement allowing the noisy and quite uncomfortable hostler end to lead which was never any fun cheers
Before the X diesels were introduced, there were only the S class on standard gauge. Apart from one or two W class diesel hydraulic low power shunting locomotives.
Excellent coverage of the bogie swap. What are you filming with? The loco's come out as black and not Royal Blue as they should be, nice and sharp but colours not true. Nice to see 4905 still sitting there in the background too. Great video, thank you.
Awsome! There are a bunch of german Ludmillas on stock for boggie transplant on Ukrains counterparts. Ukraine will swift to standard gauge in some lines.
I think I saw something about it came back from somewhere on a Perth to Melbourne Service a few weeks before this It probably up there for maintenance and a clean up because when I saw it passing Sunshine North it looked very beaten up
Victoria had broad gauge of 5foot 3 inches. New South Wales has Standard Gauge 4 foot 8.5 inches . In 1961 a track was extended from Albury in NSW to Melbourne. but it was until recently the only Std Gauge line in Victoria about 200 miles of it. The Locomotive shown here S303 has been on Broad Gauge bogies since its delivery run in the late 1950’s . The Standard gauge has had a number of loco’s that have ran on the track since new . Since privatisation there has been an effort to Standardise Gauges but that is a slow process.
Interesting you say since privatisation given the track is owned and operated by the respective state governments and both standard gauge projects in Vic we're government jobs.
NSW and NT Standard Gauge, Victoria is Irish broad gauge and Queensland and South Australia are narrow gauge. WA is a mixture of narrow and standard gauge. The interstate railways are standard gauge. It started when Victoria and New South Wales hired an Irish rail engineer - only to replace him with an English rail engineer after Victoria had taken delivery of their first locomotives...
Hello. I had to re-watch a couple of times to spot it too, but yes, it looks like they have a third rail. Nearer the camera at about 1:44 is as good a view as any.
Like just about all diesel locomotives built for use in Victoria some form of EMD. The B and S class , being from the fifties, were mainly some form of EMD 567 , unless rebuilt. Wikipedia on the Victorian Railways S class should tell you what series of 567 was used to give the S 1800 hp.
Based mechanically in the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end. The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7.
13:56 look at how much they bounced wow, I knew Victoria’s track isn’t perfect, but I’ve never seen that much bounce (maybe apart from an xtrap XD)
Yeah lol, its like the british class 142 pacer
That's not Vic track, it's ARTC, and it was then typical.
Sweet! Nothing like the sweet sounding roots blown 567 engine. Here in the US, that sweet sounding chant of the 567 engine is rarely heard on the mainlines. It's mostly heard on industrial rail systems such as grain elevators, food processing plants, and waste management plants. Sadly can no longer be heard on major class 1 Rail carriers in North America except for CN in Canada, they still operate EMD "chopped nose" GP9 diesel locomotives.
THOSE ENGINES HAVE Massive power.🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃
That was good. Time to convert all of Australia to Standard Gauge.
Brilliant footage. You covered every aspect. Great work!
Funny how at 1:32 S303 is technically on two different Gauges at the same time.
trainz are pretty poggers if u ask me
wow man thanks for such a great opinion on the current topic at hand
Awesome video friend bless you it's takes men power to lift the big locomotive 63 years long time now must run on the track
Fascinating!! I had no idea what was involved changing a loco from standard gauge to broad gauge
And now we're all waiting for GM36's first run on BG in 17 years
Well done for catching that, I am british and our trains are upto 100 years old and are still running but our newest one was made this year
I'm not sure which locomotives you are referring to - the oldest that are still in "regular service" _i.e._ trains that primarily run a scheduled service for passengers or frieght, are diesel-electrics probably dating from no earlier than the late 1950's. But there are preserved locomotives in the UK that are far older than 100 years - the Severn Valley Railway has an operational steam locomotive built in 1900, and the North Yorkshire Moors Railway has a British locomotive that is still operational that was built in 1904, and one imported from Belgium that was built in 1890. I am sure there are others that are still operational - during a quick trawl through the wikipedia pages I found that the Ribble Steam Railway has one built in 1894, the Great Central Railway has one built in 1911, and the Bluebell Railway has one built in 1896 and another built in 1905.
Reminds me of the Erie E8 sitting in Port Jervis, NY! Had to be North American inspired I'm guessing.
Clyde Engineering is an Australian contractor for EMD.
, g Vincent
Based mechanically on the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end.
The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7.
No E unit mechanical based locomotives in Australia but lots of F7 based classes.
Just a question. When these diesels had their bogies exchanged at the Army Base at Bandiana, what did they use to lift them. Wodonga wasnt huge in those days days, although there was always work being done on the Hume Weir wall & Bethanga Bridge.
13:51 dat bounce
They wanna be just like the Xtraps!
Waterhole ?
SCT Laverton is just across the rail line from my house I can see them shunting and moving vans daily.
Hi from Green Bay Wisconsin USA. Go Packers!!! N.F.L. lol. WOW!!! Loco S303 with slings under coupler looks like the Whale on a hook, lol. Question? What is top speed of S303, on wide guage in M.P.H. and K.P.H. then also on new Standard guage mph/kph? Here in USA, E.M.D. E8A in 1946 on the Chicago and North-Western RR., with "400" streamliners from Chicago to Milwaukee, Wi., then Minneapolis/Saint Paul Minnesota, raced by at 117 M.P.H.!!!!! But sadly the u.s. govt. forced to go slower at only 79 mph. This also is for Amtrak, now 50 years old, from 1971 to 2021 A.D. Steam locos with coal were much faster like New York Central RR Class J3A 4-6-4 Hudson Numbers 5450 to 5459, Alco-1938, with Streamlined Bullet nose in Art Deco Style, that pulled THE 20th Century Limited from Chicago, East to New York, at 120 M.P H.!!!!! Plus special wheel spin test on greasy slip track got to high speed of estimated 164 M.P.H.!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Day!!
Whale oil, Beef hooked
115 kilometers per hour both broad and standard gauge
@@bigman4225 thank u from GBW. USA!!
@@stevensolway1054 no problem hello from benalla australia retired loco driver of 30 years
@@bigman4225 Wow, fantastic!! Do you yourself work on steam at museums, or excursions? Or live steamers? Or electric models??
This is basically a EMD F-9 with 3 axle bogies similar to what would be under an EMD "SD" or E unit loco...
An EMD E unit was quite different from an SD series or an F unit! The E units had two 12 cylinder 567 prime movers, each powering one of the A1A trucks ("bogies"). The center axle on each truck was an idler wheelset, for weight distribution purposes. An SD series locomotive had a single prime mover, and they rode on C type trucks, where all three axles on the truck have traction motors. It looks like this one might have the longer carbody of an E unit, but I would be very surprised if anyone outside of North American passenger operators was interested in the E unit. Some US freight railroads attempted to use E units in freight service after passenger services were discontinued, but it seems that it was disastrously bad in freight service . F units could simply be re-geared for freight service.
@@brentboswell1294 Erie-Lackawanna converted a number of E units to freight service by making a number of changes to make them more suitable for that service. They were regeared and the steam generators removed and the water tanks repurposed to hold additional fuel. They ran for a number of years.
The Australian built EMD Bulldogs started out as locally modified F7s, built by EMD licensee Clyde Engineering.
Based mechanically on the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end.
The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7.
No E unit based locomotives in Australia. The complications ot two prime movers and having centre axles not contributing to pulling power ruled them out as did the extra length.
Nothing as pretty as the freshly painted Victorian Railways blue and gold livery. As a friend of mine used to say, "As flash as a rat with a gold tooth" Sleeper replacement needed at 13:55?
Wow, i actually saw S303 at Seymour on 14/4 afternoon but didnt realise what was going on.
Great to watch enjoyed it
Fantastic video my friend 👏👏👏😉
Nice capture...👍👍
Proper livery, that.
The S class is one I have fond memories of. I've never been to Australia, but they're awesome to run with in Trainz Simulator Android 1, good stand ins for E units, or as themselves.
Why weren't the standard gauge trucked cleaned prior to being installed on the locomotive?
Once when I was coming home from Albury to Melbourne on the Intercapital Daylight it came to a stand at Moonee Ponds crossing loop because the NSW loco had developed a flat spot and was going bumpity-bumpity-bumpity.
As I understand it, the procedure is to attach another locomotive in front of it so we waited about 45 minutes.
Eventually an S class arrived, but it attached to our train by it's nose which meant it was leading the train from the hostlers end, supposedly a big no-no. Normally done for shunting and perhaps it was deemed that the ten odd kilometeters was a shunting move?
Surely the S wasn't the only spare loco on SG that night? Sorry I forget which S.
hi daryl that would have been classed as an emergency movement allowing the noisy and quite uncomfortable hostler end to lead which was never any fun cheers
Before the X diesels were introduced, there were only the S class on standard gauge. Apart from one or two W class diesel hydraulic low power shunting locomotives.
Nice capture.
Really nice video !! Great Stuff !!
3:21 and pause the video you know the rusty steam locomotive corpse in the backround are they gonna restore the old girl?
That would be a spare boiler they have lying around if they ever need it.
Excellent coverage of the bogie swap. What are you filming with? The loco's come out as black and not Royal Blue as they should be, nice and sharp but colours not true. Nice to see 4905 still sitting there in the background too. Great video, thank you.
Those new bogeys installed must be a higher voltage then the ones removed. Can enough power be generated to work the new ones?
They're the same traction equipment, just that the wheels are spaced at 4' 8.5" rather than 5' 3".
lovely indeed, should have painted the bogies though! lol.
Awsome! There are a bunch of german Ludmillas on stock for boggie transplant on Ukrains counterparts. Ukraine will swift to standard gauge in some lines.
Why did T414 get taken up to Seymour?
I think I saw something about it came back from somewhere on a Perth to Melbourne Service a few weeks before this
It probably up there for maintenance and a clean up because when I saw it passing Sunshine North it looked very beaten up
@@victoriantransportvideos aha
I’ve always wanted to know how it was done, that’s incredible.
Why has S303 switched bogies?
Victoria had broad gauge of 5foot 3 inches. New South Wales has Standard Gauge 4 foot 8.5 inches . In 1961 a track was extended from Albury in NSW to Melbourne. but it was until recently the only Std Gauge line in Victoria about 200 miles of it. The Locomotive shown here S303 has been on Broad Gauge bogies since its delivery run in the late 1950’s . The Standard gauge has had a number of loco’s that have ran on the track since new . Since privatisation there has been an effort to Standardise Gauges but that is a slow process.
Interesting you say since privatisation given the track is owned and operated by the respective state governments and both standard gauge projects in Vic we're government jobs.
A very nice loco. A bit similar to ours in UK only more powerful....
What livery is that T class In
T357 is in VR blue & gold, T414 is in SCT while, black and red
Is the majority of Australia Standard Gauge? Or are some parts still broad gauge?
NSW and NT Standard Gauge, Victoria is Irish broad gauge and Queensland and South Australia are narrow gauge. WA is a mixture of narrow and standard gauge.
The interstate railways are standard gauge.
It started when Victoria and New South Wales hired an Irish rail engineer - only to replace him with an English rail engineer after Victoria had taken delivery of their first locomotives...
Why is T414 at Seymour
May be I missed something, but how are you able to draw out broad gauge bogies and roll in standard on the same track? Is the track dual gauge?
Hello. I had to re-watch a couple of times to spot it too, but yes, it looks like they have a third rail. Nearer the camera at about 1:44 is as good a view as any.
I think you can see it on the turntable as well?
A few holes in the track at 14.00
What are the extra windows in the back of the Loco for? Brakeman?
Hostler
As stated, holster controls which are VERY basic controls for moving the loco around yards and stations.
@@WeldinMike27 The only thing you don’t have in the Hostlers end is Dynamic braking
@@terrymanning1556 thanks, I mean basic in the layout and seating
@@WeldinMike27 calling it basic is being kind. It was dirty, noisy and the fumes would kill a brown dog
And was this filmed in the u.s or no?
No..the lift was carried out at Seymour Rail Heritage site in Victoria. The run was from Seymour to Altona and return
Since S303 is back on standard gauge is there any chance that Sydney will see it.
Probably won't travel up to Sydney
T357 looks a bit funny for me.
cool
Nice video mate do you know what's going to happen to T414?
More than likely repairs as SCT don’t have their own workshop in VIC
Plug n’ play.
What engine does S303 have?
Like just about all diesel locomotives built for use in Victoria some form of EMD.
The B and S class , being from the fifties, were mainly some form of EMD 567 , unless rebuilt.
Wikipedia on the Victorian Railways S class should tell you what series of 567 was used to give the S 1800 hp.
EMD 16-567C
American crossings?!
Awesome . . .
S class bogies wouldn’t be just hanging around where did they get them .
Swapped bogies with GM36
they look like f7s
Based mechanically in the F7, but twelve inches lower, ten inches narrower but 122 inches longer to fit the three axle trucks and low speed basic control cab at the B end.
The three axle trucks are all powered after early on the Victorian Railways here insisted they did not want E unit type trucks with idler axles not contributing to the pulling task. This is where EMD may have got the idea of developing the SD truck for the SD7.
A P in VR ....... really