I've been using a Finis Tempo Trainer after watching an Effortless Swimming video. Brenton Ford gets faster as his stoke rate increases, whereas being fairly new to swimming I actually start to slow down. I'm only a 2:05 per 100m at best so I've been trying to find the spm at which I start slowing down to figure out what I'm doing wrong in order to get faster. 62spm is best with no pool aides but 64 spm with a pull buoy
I checked my stats and my stroke rate is 25. Yes we are all different. My goal in the water is endurance. Actually not to drown. I have got it to the point now in swimming to stay calm and can do continuous swim for 2500 meters. I try to concentrate more on the pull but I guess it will have to change for open water. At 64 I am not looking to win, just complete. Thanks for the Info Heather.
As a non-elite swimmer I've found that varying my stroke rate is best because while a slow rate is more efficient, it causes me to become oxygen-deficient, at which point I increase my stroke rate to breath faster. Then once I feel good again I slow my rate down. I suspect that one reason elite swimmers have a fast stroke rate is because their cardio is so good that it's worth it for them to have a less efficient stroke if it makes them go faster without depleting themselves.
My stroke rate is low and once I have got my catch and stroke as best I can I will try and increase the rate. I would suggest the best way to get the stroke rate count is in a long pool, 50 metres if possible. The person timing you should wait until after your push off, dolphin kick etc and then count so many strokes until you approach the wall and repeat to get an average.
I do some mindfulness on my long easy runs. Basically just being in the moment, being aware of the feeling of the ground under my feet, the movement of air in/out of my lungs, the sound of the wind blowing through the trees, birds singing etc. It's hard to maintain and I easily drift into daydreaming, but it's a great feeling while it lasts.
I have discovered that some times, with the strokes I swim, (freestyle, backstroke, fly, and overarm side stroke) that too slow of a cadence seems to tame more energy than a some what higher stroke rate. Finding that ideal rate takes a lot of experimenting. I have never understood the concept of 'hip driven'. Mechanically impossible as far as I am concerned. Land based sports that use spiral/rotational energy require an anchor on the ground, either feet planted like with golf or throwing a karate punch, or stepping into the rotation like a baseball pitcher. With swimming, there is nothing to anchor your feet on to generate rotation, so rotation can't come from the hips. Without exception, anyone who has properly timed kick to arm pull timing, the pulling arm engages first and gets to about 1/4 of the way through that 180 degree arc of the arm pull, then the hips rotate, than the kick on that side happens, then the recover arm completes the shoulder rotation. Getting your arm to that t/4 point gives you some thing to leverage against.
It's alway been a generic term to describe the difference in the timing of the arms. Whether the stroke is actually 'hip-driven' doesn't really matter. The change in timing that it does represent is relevant to triathletes, and different strategies may be more or less appropriate for different people in different situations.
Well, I guess that depends on what changes in the stroke occur. I am a swimmer only. As near as I can tell, there seems to be 2 different arm stroke patterns. One is the gallop style, which has a quick 1, 2 stroke, and then a short pause. The other is the symmetrical stroke where the arms go at the same cadence. For some, this is breathing every 3rd stroke or more often a 2, 2, 3, or 2, 2, 4 breathing pattern. The gallop style is far more common with male swimmers, and less common with women swimmers. Katie Ledecky is one woman who uses the gallop style. The triathletes do the sighting stroke, which is more like how the water polo swimmers swim because they have to see where they are going. I look at things like an engineer. If it ain't broke, take it apart and fix it anyway. Mechanically, I can't get behind the 'hip driven' stroke. I have heard the terms hip driven, and shoulder driven, but that just doesn't translate to me. Those that use these terms call the gallop style 'hybrid' style which is kind of a combination of hip driven and shoulder driven.
@@robohippy Think about it this way. The 'shoulder-driven' is typically used be sprinters and the arms tend to be in opposite positions. The 'hip-driven' stroke is typically used over longer time periods and the arms tend to overlap a bit in the front of the body. Regardless of whether it's accurate to say the stroke is driven by the hips or shoulders, the timing of the arms relative to each other is different.
Well, the 'windmill' style used by the 50 meter sprinters is different for sure. Only other strokes where the arms work opposite of each other is back stroke, and the over arm side stroke which is my favorite. I am probably the only person in the world who swims it any more. Some thing about the term 'hip driven' just doesn't translate to me, mostly because the hips can't drive anything without input from shoulders or feet. To me, the shoulder rotation powers the kick, similar to how the dolphin kick is powered by the body wave action. Only real difference is one uses rotational energy, and the other used wave energy. Both are kind of a 'crack the whip' action. Not a rope or leather type of crack the whip, but spring steel ruler type of whip for dolphin kick, and twisting up a spring coil for the flutter kick. One lap pal told me I overanalyze things....Shoulders rotate independently from each other, other than the windmill style. Pulling arm initiates shoulder rotation, hips rotate, then recover arm completes shoulder rotation. Hips have to rotate as a single unit since they are fused bone all the way across.
@@robohippy I wouldn't worry about the term. When people say 'hip driven', that generally means more patience in the front of the stroke when pulling. It's the arm timing that's different, and that's what's most important.
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I've been using a Finis Tempo Trainer after watching an Effortless Swimming video. Brenton Ford gets faster as his stoke rate increases, whereas being fairly new to swimming I actually start to slow down. I'm only a 2:05 per 100m at best so I've been trying to find the spm at which I start slowing down to figure out what I'm doing wrong in order to get faster. 62spm is best with no pool aides but 64 spm with a pull buoy
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I checked my stats and my stroke rate is 25. Yes we are all different. My goal in the water is endurance. Actually not to drown. I have got it to the point now in swimming to stay calm and can do continuous swim for 2500 meters. I try to concentrate more on the pull but I guess it will have to change for open water. At 64 I am not looking to win, just complete. Thanks for the Info Heather.
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As a non-elite swimmer I've found that varying my stroke rate is best because while a slow rate is more efficient, it causes me to become oxygen-deficient, at which point I increase my stroke rate to breath faster. Then once I feel good again I slow my rate down.
I suspect that one reason elite swimmers have a fast stroke rate is because their cardio is so good that it's worth it for them to have a less efficient stroke if it makes them go faster without depleting themselves.
My stroke rate is low and once I have got my catch and stroke as best I can I will try and increase the rate. I would suggest the best way to get the stroke rate count is in a long pool, 50 metres if possible. The person timing you should wait until after your push off, dolphin kick etc and then count so many strokes until you approach the wall and repeat to get an average.
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I do some mindfulness on my long easy runs. Basically just being in the moment, being aware of the feeling of the ground under my feet, the movement of air in/out of my lungs, the sound of the wind blowing through the trees, birds singing etc. It's hard to maintain and I easily drift into daydreaming, but it's a great feeling while it lasts.
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I have discovered that some times, with the strokes I swim, (freestyle, backstroke, fly, and overarm side stroke) that too slow of a cadence seems to tame more energy than a some what higher stroke rate. Finding that ideal rate takes a lot of experimenting.
I have never understood the concept of 'hip driven'. Mechanically impossible as far as I am concerned. Land based sports that use spiral/rotational energy require an anchor on the ground, either feet planted like with golf or throwing a karate punch, or stepping into the rotation like a baseball pitcher. With swimming, there is nothing to anchor your feet on to generate rotation, so rotation can't come from the hips. Without exception, anyone who has properly timed kick to arm pull timing, the pulling arm engages first and gets to about 1/4 of the way through that 180 degree arc of the arm pull, then the hips rotate, than the kick on that side happens, then the recover arm completes the shoulder rotation. Getting your arm to that t/4 point gives you some thing to leverage against.
It's alway been a generic term to describe the difference in the timing of the arms. Whether the stroke is actually 'hip-driven' doesn't really matter. The change in timing that it does represent is relevant to triathletes, and different strategies may be more or less appropriate for different people in different situations.
Well, I guess that depends on what changes in the stroke occur. I am a swimmer only. As near as I can tell, there seems to be 2 different arm stroke patterns. One is the gallop style, which has a quick 1, 2 stroke, and then a short pause. The other is the symmetrical stroke where the arms go at the same cadence. For some, this is breathing every 3rd stroke or more often a 2, 2, 3, or 2, 2, 4 breathing pattern. The gallop style is far more common with male swimmers, and less common with women swimmers. Katie Ledecky is one woman who uses the gallop style. The triathletes do the sighting stroke, which is more like how the water polo swimmers swim because they have to see where they are going. I look at things like an engineer. If it ain't broke, take it apart and fix it anyway. Mechanically, I can't get behind the 'hip driven' stroke. I have heard the terms hip driven, and shoulder driven, but that just doesn't translate to me. Those that use these terms call the gallop style 'hybrid' style which is kind of a combination of hip driven and shoulder driven.
@@robohippy Think about it this way. The 'shoulder-driven' is typically used be sprinters and the arms tend to be in opposite positions. The 'hip-driven' stroke is typically used over longer time periods and the arms tend to overlap a bit in the front of the body. Regardless of whether it's accurate to say the stroke is driven by the hips or shoulders, the timing of the arms relative to each other is different.
Well, the 'windmill' style used by the 50 meter sprinters is different for sure. Only other strokes where the arms work opposite of each other is back stroke, and the over arm side stroke which is my favorite. I am probably the only person in the world who swims it any more. Some thing about the term 'hip driven' just doesn't translate to me, mostly because the hips can't drive anything without input from shoulders or feet. To me, the shoulder rotation powers the kick, similar to how the dolphin kick is powered by the body wave action. Only real difference is one uses rotational energy, and the other used wave energy. Both are kind of a 'crack the whip' action. Not a rope or leather type of crack the whip, but spring steel ruler type of whip for dolphin kick, and twisting up a spring coil for the flutter kick. One lap pal told me I overanalyze things....Shoulders rotate independently from each other, other than the windmill style. Pulling arm initiates shoulder rotation, hips rotate, then recover arm completes shoulder rotation. Hips have to rotate as a single unit since they are fused bone all the way across.
@@robohippy I wouldn't worry about the term. When people say 'hip driven', that generally means more patience in the front of the stroke when pulling. It's the arm timing that's different, and that's what's most important.
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