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You guys really dropped the ball on this one. I'm an American and I'm an archaeologist so let me explain. The intro alone is nothing less than an error and an embarrassment to us all. This just demonstrates our military neither knows nor understands friend and foe alike. First of all the Joseon Dynasty of Korea lasted approximately 500 years not the close to 1000 like the first speaker states. Additionally this intro entirely ignores the fact that for most of human history that Korea has actually been 2-3 separate political entities. Completely ignoring this doesn't just create a disservice to something like history, this does a disservice to our friends and our allies and most of all our boots on the ground. If our young men don't understand the real hows and whys, if they don't understand simple concepts such as human geography, then what can we expect them to do? There's no need to bend or break the truth for propaganda on this one. This serves us in no way shape or form. Please don't be so negligent with our tax dollars and our image at large on the international arena in the future.
My father was there: Twice wounded (20 July and 27 July) he and his comrades helped buy the time MacArthur needed for Operation Chromite. Thanks for this excellent video.
The goal of the U.N. army was never to simply reunite Korea. MacArthur had written in his diaries that he always intended to invade China. All the western occupying powers which had been in China for close to a century, including the U.S., were all represented in the U.N. army. They had just lost all their preferential rights and concessions under the unequal treaties and been forced out of China less than a year prior, and now they were back to reinvade China. Unfortunately, the U.S. government chose to ignore the two letters from the Chinese government; the first stating that they might get involved if they crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded North Korea, and the second explaining that China would allow the two Koreas to be unified, so long as an invasion army wasn't placed alongside the Yalu River. Both of these warnings were ignored, and not one, or two, but three invasion armies were placed along the Yalu River before the Chinese fully entered the war and pushed the U.N. army back into South Korea, keeping them contained there until they called for an armistice. These are the reasons why all western nations agreed to not teach about the Korean War widely in their own countries and it has become known as "the forgotten war".
First, thank you for this video. It will be helpful in educating my children about their history. While Professor Kalic says that US/UN intervention makes little logical sense, I would like to present a different perspective. My father was a toddler on the Busan Perimeter. My mother was born in Seoul towards the end of the war. As a result of the U.S. defense, they remained relatively free and were able to immigrate to the US in the 1970s. I was born in the US and my PhD was majority funded by DARPA (the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, for those unfamiliar). One of the biggest consumers of my research is the DoE, specifically the part that works on nuclear weapons. My father worked as a doctor for the VA at the end of his career. It took decades for us to start paying the debt back, but we are and will continue to do so. The Republic of Korea (South) is now one of the leading providers of civilian technology and is a growing supplier of military hardware to our allies. All this is saying that while US intervention on behalf of other countries may not make much sense at the time, it's not only about the immediate gain and loss. And it's not only about countable things. One of the biggest things that gets me going in the morning is the knowledge that I could have been born in the hellhole that is the DPRK, but wasn't. I've met a lot of Vietnamese, some of whom escaped during that war. And most recently, my wife was treating an Afghani patient whose husband was an interpreter for our troops there. Freedom is not free, and some of us remember that our personal freedom was bought with spilled American blood.
@user-ou9qd9no5n did you talk to 300+ million Americans? Or are you speaking for a couple hundred million different people 🤔? Just stick to yourself instead of what other people do or don't do.
@@Crashed131963 you're right, though I am a little worried about the nukes they possess (allegedly) I know that, conventionally, the allied US forces will fly in and surgically strike every single artillery peace on the border simultaneously, cruiser-fired missiles will be timed to land on every NK officer ranked higher than a sergeant at the same time, and an endless squad of f35s are going to blot out the sun above any suspected nuke facilities, but you never know, right?
You don’t really understand how horrible conflict generally is unless you have someone close in your family who was directly in it, or maybe it’s just my stupidity to not understand. God bless my ROKN grandfather who enlisted when he was 16 and became a communications officer on his minesweeper later. He survived but never made it home, and had a destructive life style until the early 2000s when he seemed to become amiable for the sake of me and my family’s younger generation. He hopes to one day try cold noodles in Pyongyang, and deeply regrets his actions during the war. I don’t know if theres any other ROKN minesweeper vets left from the Korean War since my grandfather seems to be the only one. He lives in Oklahoma today, thankfully full of spirit and health.
This take on the Korean War, and many others like it on TH-cam, gloss over very important details. According to James Bradley, in his book "The China Mirage", the Chinese government had sent two letters to the U.S. government: one when the U.N. troops passed the 38th Parallel, informing them that they might need to get involved if their army invades North Korea. The second was after the army invaded North Korea, stating that China will become involved in the fighting if the U.N. army places an invasion army on the Yalu River. We know from MacArthur's diaries that he had every intention of invading China during this war, which explains why he kept placing invasion armies on the Yalu River, rather than destroying the North Korean army. What is also overlooked was the timing. Yes, the People's Republic of China had just been established roughly a year before China became involved in the Korean War. However, what isn't discussed is that all the western colonial powers, which had forced unequal treaties on China, gaining colonies, as well as concessions, across China, had been thrown out of China in 1949, losing everything. Now all these colonists were back, draped in the U.N. flag, ready to reinvade China and get back their colonial holdings and to again impose unequal treaties on the Chinese. This was why the U.S. took a sudden interest in "Korea", because shortly after asking the question "how did we lose China?", they were hoping to use the Korean War as a pretext to reinvade China. When this tactic failed utterly, the U.N. forces eventually called for an armistice and collectively agreed to never widely teach about the Korean War to their citizens, thereby attempting to hide their duplicity. This led the Korean War to become "The Forgotten War".
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@@notmyself2533 two of these people teach at Army schools at Fort Leavenworth Kansas. I am not in the Army, but the best/easiest way to get there is being an officer in the Army. There are also a few civilians that come through that are associated with other parts of government.
@@notmyself2533 they also regularly give talks at places like KU if you study history there, and TH-cam channels like this and war history podcasts regularly host them for fantastic discussions
MacArthur was brilliant. If anybody wonders why he became insubordinate and combative towards Truman and the Washington group, it was because of how his father - Gen. Arthur MacArthur - was treated by the U.S. government. Douglas MacArthur never forgot it and vowed never to be treated the same way. He has stated "sometimes I feel that my enemies are behind me, back in Washington".
People in The Philippines 🇵🇭 and Japan love this man as the savior of their country. The common American loved Mac, Douglas MacArthur always had paranoia that his "enemies" in Washington/Pershing Staff were out to destroy him. Obviously that is delusional persecution complex but it does seem if you go back in history, for all this extremely egotistical but brilliant man had a point. The prophet is honored in each nation but his own. He got alot accomplished, the highest of highs but the lowest of lows.
@@Kruppt808 MacArthur was a loser and a failure with good PR. He is responsible for the greatest defeats America suffered in its history. His notions were all bad. His soldiers died for his ego.
Why didn't the Soviets veto the Korean War the UN? The Soviet Union was boycotting the Security Council because the permanent seat held by China was then occupied by the anti-communist government in Taiwan rather than the communist mainland government. As a result, the Soviet Union failed to exercise its veto. During the Soviet boycott, the Security Council adopted a resolution that allowed for the deployment of UN troops to the Korean War in defense of South Korea against the attacking communist North Korean forces.
I understand the need for brevity on this medium but there are some important facts that are missing. For example the south korean government was unpopular because of its widespread corruption and also because of how many in the upper class and police force had collaborated with the japanese before. The Korean war was not a conflict between a democracy and a dictatorship, rather a conflict between two dictators. Furthermore the video seems to leave out that the Chinese repeatedly told the US that they would not intervene if only south korean troops advanced north of the 38th parallel, but that they would intervene if US forces took north korea. This warning was ignored.
I wish/hope you talk about the involvment of the other nations such as one of the most important one the Turkish Brigade who hold off the Chinese Army in Kunu-Ri to allow 8th Army to retreat or breaking through the Chinese Lines in Kumyangjang-Ni with little casualties and finally Nevada Complex, stalling the one last Chinese offensive together with Americans.
That is an operational level overlook, this video talks about strategic level so they don't have to talk about individual divisions or brigades, but corps and fronts, specially that it's not only the Turks who fought ferociously but other UN countries.
@@fritzvenezia9338 "Specially that it's not only the Turks who fought ferociously but other UN countries." Oh I'm aware of that, Turkish Brigade was just a example.
@@Amoore-vv9wx First of all my Grandfather was a Lieutenant in the Turkish Brigade who participated in almost every battle with the Brigade. Now, Turkish Brigade never got crippled even after the Kunu-Ri not scattered, before I begin I need to point out one thing and that is; COs of the Brigade were all war veterans from WW1 to Turkish War of Independence so the soldiers were not being led by ‘green’ officers, yeah there was soldiers who were Green like many of the other soldiers in the UN forces. Okay, first when the Chinese attacked, Turkish Brigade wasn’t on the flank duty but the opposite, it was in the center and its flanks were being ‘protected’ by the U.S Inf. Division, but when the U.S division got actually ‘scattered’ they did not inform their situation to the Turks so, Turks continued to hold their positions around Wavon. When the Chinese finally hit the Turks and Americans in the center, they were pushed back into the village of Kunu-Ri and there they regrouped and set up another defensive line to protect the retreat of 8th Army elements. But the same night when they settled in Kunu-Ri, Chinese continued to push and eventually surrounded the village the Turkish Brigade and a small number of American soldiers who were part of the armored support to the brigade were in. Chinese sent out surrender calls to them but the Turks refused with a laugh and held their ground and continued to fight against the Chinese attacks on the village which they repelled many times until they ran out of ammo, stalling an important amount of Chinese troops, preventing them from closing the escape route of the 8th Army. Two days Turks held their ground until their ammunition ran out and when ammo ran out they fixed bayonets, even my grandfather told me that as he couldn’t attach a bayonet to his Thompson, he made a makeshift bayonet hold with bandages and joined the charge. When scouts found a weak spot in the Chinese circlement around the village, Americans directed an air strike on that position and when the planes hit that area Turks went out on their first bayonet charge in the war, breaking through the Chinese lines. They gave heavy casualties in the Battle of Wavon, especially during the breakthrough in Kunu-Ri but they still managed to retreat back into the UN lines in an orderly fashion after regrouping on the other side of the river. My grandfather told me that when they managed to return back to the nearest UN camp, everyone was looking at them like they were seeing a ghost as Turks were mostly covered with blood and thought to be surrendered or wiped out by the Chinese. After this battle General Douglas MacArthur, described the Turkish Brigade's contribution to the war: The military situation in Korea is being followed with concern by the whole American public. But in these concerned days, the heroism shown by the Turks has given hope to the American nation. It has inculcated them with courage. The American public fully appreciates the value of the services rendered by the Turkish Brigade and knows that because of them the Eighth American Army could withdraw without disarray. The American public understands that the United Nations Forces in Korea were saved from encirclement and from falling into the hands of the communists by the heroism shown by the Turks. This is just the story of Kunu-Ri and there are many stories like this, there is a reason why Brigade received Presidential Unit Citation from both the U.S and ROK. Finally about the Kunu-Ri there was a diary of a American officer with the Turkish Brigade during that battle, describing the situation and how Turks reacted to being encircled, I've tried to find it again but couldn't so, I strongly advise you to take a look at it.
The turks performance was poor and kunu ri was its only real highlight. They were more or less decimated and incapable of any meaningful contribution for the remainder of the war. Chinese records also indicated that they did not consider turkish forces to be a major threat
MacArthur was an aging narcissist and going all in with an aging narcissist, counting on him to deliver is generally an unwise strategy, the kind of mistake people make even to this very day, but I digress. Truman is the one who blew it. Harry was all about accountability, and I like that quality. He was also decisive, almost to a fault. But he kept waffling with MacArthur. Granted, he was getting hammered, along with Acheson and Marshall, by the "Who lost China" crowd but he was getting warnings through backchannels, serious warnings, that if he went North the Chinese would come in. The problem is everyone saw the communists as some monolith controlled by Stalin, and Truman thought Stalin wouldn't pick Korea as the hill to die on. But China saw things differently and they were feeling their oats. Truman also got caught up in victory fever and once he gave MacArthur the green-light it was too late to call the fight off. The Joint Chiefs, especially Bradley, weren't much help but Harry knew better, and he did it anyway. That said, at the end of the day a prosperous South Korea did eventually emerge and millions of lives that would have been taken by the butchers in the North were saved. That makes the fight a worthy effort, one the Americans deserve credit for. The problem is, the powers-that-be thought the same war of containment could be fought in Southeast Asia. Tragically, they learned the hard way that not all Asian countries are alike and that Vietnam and Korea were two distinctly different situations.
There are easy dots which can be connected when looking at the Korean War. Why did the U.S. think that Korea was worth fighting over when the U.S. hadn't even bothered to properly arm the South Koreans and had just discounted them from their defensive line? It's because the Korean War was never really about unifying the two Koreas. It was a pretext to reinvade China. MacArthur's own diaries show that he had every intention of invading China, and he place three separate invasion armies along the Yalu River, long before he had come close to eradicating the North Korean army. The People's Republic of China in 1950 was less than one year old, and they had nullified the unequal treaties, cancelled at the rights and concessions associated with them, and tossed the colonial powers out of China. Now here they were, less than a year later, draped in the U.N. flag and ready to reinvade China, right about the time the U.S.'s "how did we lose China?" crowd had caused the Red Scare in the U.S. Watching old documentaries made by the U.S. military shortly after the Korean War clearly shows how MacArthur placed an invasion army on the Yalu River, which was pushed back by Chinese forces, who then immediately crossed back to the Chinese side of the border. These events happened again shortly afterwards, but by the third time MacArthur placed a large invasion army on the Yalu River, the Chinese had had enough and pushed the army, which was obviously intent on invading China rather than uniting the Koreas, back into South Korea. The remaining two years of the Korean War was Chinese troops keeping the U.N. troops bottled-up in South Korea until they were finally tired of fighting and called for an armistice. This interpretation of events is supported by the collective agreement by western countries to not widely teach about the Korean War afterwards, leading it to become known as "The Forgotten War".
Germany started and lost WWII in Europe and Germany was divided in half. Japanese started and lost WWII in Asia and Korea was divided in half. Go figure...
4:35 During this time of skirmishes, South Korean units usually won. And I understand the engagements were small to fairly large, up to company/battalion sized engagements. Before 1950, US Chiefs of Staff made statement that they believed ROK Army was ready to defend itself and this was not some made up fantasy stories. ROK Army had been prevailing in the small sized engagements up until before 1950. The reason for ROK Army winning the small engagements before 1950 is I believe due to superior command structure taught by US Military Advisors, which encourages local independent command, while the Soviet structure (which N Korean army followed) discouraged such freer thinking. At least that's what I read.
Maybe in according to korean propaganda. The south korean troops were poorly trained and lacked experience and the Americans rarely trusted them with significant missions. Chinese records also indicate that they found korean troops to be far inferior to the other UN and US forces they encountered
@@janusjones6519 korean soldiers were not poorly trained. Most of them knew how to fight because they were mobilized and trained by the Japanese during ww2. And thats why Korean soldiers knew how to deal with the tanks. The Korean soldiers had suicidal attacks on the North Korean tanks. Koreans knew how to fight at least.
@@janusjones6519 a Korean division abolished three Chinese divisions in the battle of youngmunsan. What do u think about this? More than 60k chinese soldiers were K.I.A.
@@seoul_9584 most western literature on the subject tended to rate south korean soldiers as poor in their combat abilities. Read some real books, not bs from your government
Imagine being on the losing side of WW2, and NOT getting divided. (Japan was part of Axis forces) And imagine being on the winning side of WW2, and STILL getting divided. (Korean provisional government was recognized by Kuomintang China and declared war on Japan) Irony is real. Japan should have been divided by the US, UK, Chinese and Soviet forces.
The Japanese Empire was divided. China got Japanese occupied China, the USSR got Sakhalin, Manchuria, the Kyril islands, and NK, while the US got the home islands and SK.
@@pacificblue5461The 700000 Kwantung Army in Northeast China was annihilated by the Soviet Union, and the number of Japanese troops annihilated by the United States and the Soviet Union was roughly the same
McArthur’s military brilliance? In clear hindsight he was a pretty bad commander. Dugout Doug was responsible for the loss of the Philippines in 42. The only reason he remained in command of anything was because of the political consequences of dismissing him. Regardless of his military track record, any commander that subverts the civilian control of our armed forces, deserves our scorn and not our admiration
From the Director: Thank you for your comment. Trust me, I struggled with using the term “Military brilliance”. But I chose it because Inchon was one of the US’s greatest military victories and like it or not, MacArthur was directly responsible for it. I am not a fan of MacArthur, he is a flawed person in many ways, but his actions must be recognized, both good and bad. Since this film was designed to educate military professionals, we can learn from both his flaws (which I also presented) and his victories.
Without MacArthur's Inchon plan their may be no South Korea today . just one large Sh#thole North Korea. Also MacArthur's occupation of japan was generous to the people of Japan vs if someone else was in charge . It's Why Japan does not totally hate the US today .
When North Korean tanks invaded South Korea, the Korean soldiers tried the best they can do. There were a lots of sacrifices. There were suicidal attacks on North Korean tanks. The soldiers grabbed grenades and ran into the North Korean tanks. The Koreans fought savagely. Unlike Vietnam, Koreans were very anti-communist. And the US was a liberator that has defeated the Japanese empire. Koreans love Freedom. Koreans love America.
That’s hard to believe given there are no records of South Koreans performing such suicidal attacks. In fact that sounds like it was lifted from actions of Chinese ‘dare to die’ units in WW2 against Japanese armour
@@janusjones6519 Everything is censored in China. Do not disrespect our veterans. U think Korean soldiers just ran away and refused to fight? Lol this proves that how brainwashed u r. U dont even know how korean people felt when communists attacked Korea.
Macarthur underestimated the Soviet Union,in the 1950s the Soviet Union had complete control over the ccp. Without the Soviets, Manchuria, like Korea, would be beyond Chinese control, so Zhou Enlai had to support the war.
Wrong. The soviets weren’t keen on conflict in korea at all as they were focused on europe. The north koreans basically forced the issue. China was more supportive and asked the soviets for assistance when the KPA were being pushed back. Even then the soviets were reluctant until the saw the success of the Chinese counter offensive and began to provide meaningful support
@@janusjones6519 Can you Chinese learn some history? The so-called Chinese army, the 13th Army of which was the Manchurian Communist Army sent to Lin Biao by the Soviets in Manchuria. The Northeast People's Autonomous Government of Manchuria existed until 1954. The weapons they used were Japanese equipment after the Soviet occupation of Manchukuo, and the Chinese were the objects of stability maintenance. Because most of you are Sinocrists, the Communist Party must suppress Sinocrists in order to rule China
@@janusjones6519 The Korean war was the product of the Soviet revolution in east Asia and the hope that the United States would hold back in Asia. The soviets still maintained 6 million troops, but the military readiness of the Soviet union was inadequate, many of their military personnel were symbolic, and there were great logistical problems, the Korean war was the war of the United States and the Soviet union, Stalin's orders and Soviet advisers ran through the war, so that without the Soviet union, Chinese troops could not even rely on manchurian railways to transport supplies
@@powergrassp7769 Not really, the korean war, just like the vietnam war that followed and the Chinese civil war that preceded it, had far more to do with their desire to achieve unification and independence than wholly ideological or some product of communist machination. What you described there is based on the outdated domino theory that have now largely proven to be false or at lease inadequate to provide a holistic explanation. New documents that have become available from both Russian and Chinese archives also exposed the fact that the soviet were not that interested in supporting the DPRK and only began to support the war after the PVA entered Korea. Even then, its support was restricted to largely materiel and air supper that did not go much beyond the Chinese border, AKA mig alley. the korean war was essentially a war between the United States and the PRC.
@@powergrassp7769 Lmao, I'm not even Chinese bro. I just like facts when it comes to history. and wtf is a sinocrist? wtf are you even talking about? it pretty obvious you are clueless because your response is to label me a 'Chinese' as if that's sufficient to back up the rubbish you a spewing.
n fact, it needs to be pointed out that Mao Zedong was not the CCP leader at that time, he was only the public opinion, and the real leaders were Zhou Enlai and Liu Shaoqi
@@Shadowless_Kick Mao Zedong usurped the throne of Zhang Wentian.But he is a warlord and emperor.It was the Communist Party cadres of the Soviet Union who really played a role in the small circle.Mao Zedong played a role in uniting poor and lower-middle peasant cadres.This is something you don't see on Wikipedia.
😂 In short, the US lost, and have lost every war since. Also, the Russians defeated the Nazis in WW2, 80% of fighting was on eastern front, we arrived at tail end of war & took credit. Today, S, Korea is nothing but a US military base, a occupied US colony, like Japan.
0:54 not ture Korea was not run independently, not totally at least. Korea kings need Chinese emperor‘s certification, Korea needs China to fight Japanese back for them. Exactly the same relation as us and SK today.
Would you say that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are not independent countries since they still seek approval from the monarch of the UK? It's the same relationship, it largely was a cultural tradition in recognition of shared values and continued cooperation between the two states that had no real influence. Especially by the time the Qing Dynasty was in power.
@@channeldud they are NOT independent, they follow what the Yankees say. There are only four and half major countries who are independent, the us, Russia, China, India,and France can be count as a half.
The big boss of the communist alliance at that time was Soviet Union, not China. Both South and North Koreans wanted to defeat the other half and unify the country. Kim Joon un’s grandfather needed Stalin’s approval, not China’s certificate, although Kim did consult with Mao about his plan. China was dragged into the war because USSR’s pressure and the US’s threat
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You guys really dropped the ball on this one. I'm an American and I'm an archaeologist so let me explain. The intro alone is nothing less than an error and an embarrassment to us all. This just demonstrates our military neither knows nor understands friend and foe alike. First of all the Joseon Dynasty of Korea lasted approximately 500 years not the close to 1000 like the first speaker states. Additionally this intro entirely ignores the fact that for most of human history that Korea has actually been 2-3 separate political entities. Completely ignoring this doesn't just create a disservice to something like history, this does a disservice to our friends and our allies and most of all our boots on the ground. If our young men don't understand the real hows and whys, if they don't understand simple concepts such as human geography, then what can we expect them to do? There's no need to bend or break the truth for propaganda on this one. This serves us in no way shape or form. Please don't be so negligent with our tax dollars and our image at large on the international arena in the future.
Don’t forget the fighting Filipinos
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Alright!!!! I’m excited for this series!!!!!! I love the Korean War vids the channel does!!!!!
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My father was there: Twice wounded (20 July and 27 July) he and his comrades helped buy the time MacArthur needed for Operation Chromite. Thanks for this excellent video.
We must remember and honor the endeavours of people like your father 🙏
Lets go, I have been waiting for this! Great stuff AU Films!!!!!
I hope the AUP will cover Operation Just Cause after this. This channel is gold for me.
If only MacArthur would have consolidated a defensive position at PyongYang before moving to the Yalu River, maybe Korea is united today 🤔
Very much so...
MacArthur was a fool
UN only authorized expulsion of dprk from rok, so they didn't go to Baghdad
I always think about that Back To School scene with Rodney Dangerfield and Sam Kinison.
The goal of the U.N. army was never to simply reunite Korea. MacArthur had written in his diaries that he always intended to invade China. All the western occupying powers which had been in China for close to a century, including the U.S., were all represented in the U.N. army. They had just lost all their preferential rights and concessions under the unequal treaties and been forced out of China less than a year prior, and now they were back to reinvade China. Unfortunately, the U.S. government chose to ignore the two letters from the Chinese government; the first stating that they might get involved if they crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded North Korea, and the second explaining that China would allow the two Koreas to be unified, so long as an invasion army wasn't placed alongside the Yalu River. Both of these warnings were ignored, and not one, or two, but three invasion armies were placed along the Yalu River before the Chinese fully entered the war and pushed the U.N. army back into South Korea, keeping them contained there until they called for an armistice.
These are the reasons why all western nations agreed to not teach about the Korean War widely in their own countries and it has become known as "the forgotten war".
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Alright!!!! I’m excited for this series!!!!!! I love the Korean War vids the channel does!!!!!
Good Job AUP!!!!! 5 Stars!!!!!
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BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL AND VERY CHARMING DOCUMENTARY
First, thank you for this video. It will be helpful in educating my children about their history.
While Professor Kalic says that US/UN intervention makes little logical sense, I would like to present a different perspective. My father was a toddler on the Busan Perimeter. My mother was born in Seoul towards the end of the war. As a result of the U.S. defense, they remained relatively free and were able to immigrate to the US in the 1970s. I was born in the US and my PhD was majority funded by DARPA (the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, for those unfamiliar). One of the biggest consumers of my research is the DoE, specifically the part that works on nuclear weapons. My father worked as a doctor for the VA at the end of his career. It took decades for us to start paying the debt back, but we are and will continue to do so.
The Republic of Korea (South) is now one of the leading providers of civilian technology and is a growing supplier of military hardware to our allies.
All this is saying that while US intervention on behalf of other countries may not make much sense at the time, it's not only about the immediate gain and loss.
And it's not only about countable things. One of the biggest things that gets me going in the morning is the knowledge that I could have been born in the hellhole that is the DPRK, but wasn't. I've met a lot of Vietnamese, some of whom escaped during that war. And most recently, my wife was treating an Afghani patient whose husband was an interpreter for our troops there. Freedom is not free, and some of us remember that our personal freedom was bought with spilled American blood.
Unfortunately, many Americans have forgotten this today
Indeed,@@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю . It was very obvious growing up in middle America.
That's a fascinating story. Thanks for your work with DoE!
@user-ou9qd9no5n did you talk to 300+ million Americans?
Or are you speaking for a couple hundred million different people 🤔?
Just stick to yourself instead of what other people do or don't do.
@@Kruppt808 So, number of Trampists dangerously high
Heck of a time to release this
It might be very relevant soon, I'm just saying
No surprise attack from North Korea this time .
South Korea has almost twice as many people as NK.
@@Crashed131963 you're right, though I am a little worried about the nukes they possess (allegedly)
I know that, conventionally, the allied US forces will fly in and surgically strike every single artillery peace on the border simultaneously, cruiser-fired missiles will be timed to land on every NK officer ranked higher than a sergeant at the same time, and an endless squad of f35s are going to blot out the sun above any suspected nuke facilities, but you never know, right?
@@Crashed131963and the firepower this time around also
You don’t really understand how horrible conflict generally is unless you have someone close in your family who was directly in it, or maybe it’s just my stupidity to not understand. God bless my ROKN grandfather who enlisted when he was 16 and became a communications officer on his minesweeper later. He survived but never made it home, and had a destructive life style until the early 2000s when he seemed to become amiable for the sake of me and my family’s younger generation. He hopes to one day try cold noodles in Pyongyang, and deeply regrets his actions during the war. I don’t know if theres any other ROKN minesweeper vets left from the Korean War since my grandfather seems to be the only one. He lives in Oklahoma today, thankfully full of spirit and health.
This take on the Korean War, and many others like it on TH-cam, gloss over very important details. According to James Bradley, in his book "The China Mirage", the Chinese government had sent two letters to the U.S. government: one when the U.N. troops passed the 38th Parallel, informing them that they might need to get involved if their army invades North Korea. The second was after the army invaded North Korea, stating that China will become involved in the fighting if the U.N. army places an invasion army on the Yalu River. We know from MacArthur's diaries that he had every intention of invading China during this war, which explains why he kept placing invasion armies on the Yalu River, rather than destroying the North Korean army.
What is also overlooked was the timing. Yes, the People's Republic of China had just been established roughly a year before China became involved in the Korean War. However, what isn't discussed is that all the western colonial powers, which had forced unequal treaties on China, gaining colonies, as well as concessions, across China, had been thrown out of China in 1949, losing everything. Now all these colonists were back, draped in the U.N. flag, ready to reinvade China and get back their colonial holdings and to again impose unequal treaties on the Chinese. This was why the U.S. took a sudden interest in "Korea", because shortly after asking the question "how did we lose China?", they were hoping to use the Korean War as a pretext to reinvade China. When this tactic failed utterly, the U.N. forces eventually called for an armistice and collectively agreed to never widely teach about the Korean War to their citizens, thereby attempting to hide their duplicity. This led the Korean War to become "The Forgotten War".
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Excellent video. I would have liked to see some mention of Chesty Puller!!!!!
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I know 2 of those people! They are fantastic instructors, as demonstrated here!
Who are you and how do get into these types of war schools? War history hobby of mine. Do u have to b military?
@@notmyself2533 two of these people teach at Army schools at Fort Leavenworth Kansas. I am not in the Army, but the best/easiest way to get there is being an officer in the Army. There are also a few civilians that come through that are associated with other parts of government.
@@notmyself2533 they also regularly give talks at places like KU if you study history there, and TH-cam channels like this and war history podcasts regularly host them for fantastic discussions
Well there was two Germany's and two Vietnam's .
Lucky FDR died. He promised Stalin North Japan (Hokkaido) after the war.
Trurman scrapped the deal when he took over .
@@Crashed131963 and I think there are even more.
There was once two Americas too😏
USA + south korea + UK + France + 14 other nations
Vs China + north korea.................
And it was fought to a standstill ???????? WTF !!!
MacArthur was brilliant. If anybody wonders why he became insubordinate and combative towards Truman and the Washington group, it was because of how his father - Gen. Arthur MacArthur - was treated by the U.S. government. Douglas MacArthur never forgot it and vowed never to be treated the same way. He has stated "sometimes I feel that my enemies are behind me, back in Washington".
People in The Philippines 🇵🇭 and Japan love this man as the savior of their country. The common American loved Mac, Douglas MacArthur always had paranoia that his "enemies" in Washington/Pershing Staff were out to destroy him.
Obviously that is delusional persecution complex but it does seem if you go back in history, for all this extremely egotistical but brilliant man had a point.
The prophet is honored in each nation but his own. He got alot accomplished, the highest of highs but the lowest of lows.
@@Kruppt808 MacArthur was a loser and a failure with good PR. He is responsible for the greatest defeats America suffered in its history. His notions were all bad. His soldiers died for his ego.
The essence of the problem is that without Japan's invasion, Korea would not have been divided. The Korean War was a sequelae of Japanese aggression
Japan is not at war with Korea, you are sophistry.
Australia stepped in first, flying from its bases in Japan while the rest of the world was still talking about what to do.
Why didn't the Soviets veto the Korean War the UN?
The Soviet Union was boycotting the Security Council because the permanent seat held by China was then occupied by the anti-communist government in Taiwan rather than the communist mainland government. As a result, the Soviet Union failed to exercise its veto. During the Soviet boycott, the Security Council adopted a resolution that allowed for the deployment of UN troops to the Korean War in defense of South Korea against the attacking communist North Korean forces.
I understand the need for brevity on this medium but there are some important facts that are missing. For example the south korean government was unpopular because of its widespread corruption and also because of how many in the upper class and police force had collaborated with the japanese before. The Korean war was not a conflict between a democracy and a dictatorship, rather a conflict between two dictators. Furthermore the video seems to leave out that the Chinese repeatedly told the US that they would not intervene if only south korean troops advanced north of the 38th parallel, but that they would intervene if US forces took north korea. This warning was ignored.
I like the quotes Truman let them have it
USA are making the same mistake again. Here in Ukraine, by not giving them full support. Ukraine will be split in two just like Korea.
America liberated Korea from Japan
America liberated Korea from the Communist
Thank you so much 🇰🇷🤝🇺🇸
I wish/hope you talk about the involvment of the other nations such as one of the most important one the Turkish Brigade who hold off the Chinese Army in Kunu-Ri to allow 8th Army to retreat or breaking through the Chinese Lines in Kumyangjang-Ni with little casualties and finally Nevada Complex, stalling the one last Chinese offensive together with Americans.
yea this just kinda seemed like a overview of the korean war that everyone knew
That is an operational level overlook, this video talks about strategic level so they don't have to talk about individual divisions or brigades, but corps and fronts, specially that it's not only the Turks who fought ferociously but other UN countries.
@@fritzvenezia9338 "Specially that it's not only the Turks who fought ferociously but other UN countries." Oh I'm aware of that, Turkish Brigade was just a example.
@@Amoore-vv9wx First of all my Grandfather was a Lieutenant in the Turkish Brigade who participated in almost every battle with the Brigade.
Now, Turkish Brigade never got crippled even after the Kunu-Ri not scattered, before I begin I need to point out one thing and that is; COs of the Brigade were all war veterans from WW1 to Turkish War of Independence so the soldiers were not being led by ‘green’ officers, yeah there was soldiers who were Green like many of the other soldiers in the UN forces.
Okay, first when the Chinese attacked, Turkish Brigade wasn’t on the flank duty but the opposite, it was in the center and its flanks were being ‘protected’ by the U.S Inf. Division, but when the U.S division got actually ‘scattered’ they did not inform their situation to the Turks so, Turks continued to hold their positions around Wavon. When the Chinese finally hit the Turks and Americans in the center, they were pushed back into the village of Kunu-Ri and there they regrouped and set up another defensive line to protect the retreat of 8th Army elements.
But the same night when they settled in Kunu-Ri, Chinese continued to push and eventually surrounded the village the Turkish Brigade and a small number of American soldiers who were part of the armored support to the brigade were in. Chinese sent out surrender calls to them but the Turks refused with a laugh and held their ground and continued to fight against the Chinese attacks on the village which they repelled many times until they ran out of ammo, stalling an important amount of Chinese troops, preventing them from closing the escape route of the 8th Army.
Two days Turks held their ground until their ammunition ran out and when ammo ran out they fixed bayonets, even my grandfather told me that as he couldn’t attach a bayonet to his Thompson, he made a makeshift bayonet hold with bandages and joined the charge. When scouts found a weak spot in the Chinese circlement around the village, Americans directed an air strike on that position and when the planes hit that area Turks went out on their first bayonet charge in the war, breaking through the Chinese lines.
They gave heavy casualties in the Battle of Wavon, especially during the breakthrough in Kunu-Ri but they still managed to retreat back into the UN lines in an orderly fashion after regrouping on the other side of the river. My grandfather told me that when they managed to return back to the nearest UN camp, everyone was looking at them like they were seeing a ghost as Turks were mostly covered with blood and thought to be surrendered or wiped out by the Chinese.
After this battle General Douglas MacArthur, described the Turkish Brigade's contribution to the war:
The military situation in Korea is being followed with concern by the whole American public. But in these concerned days, the heroism shown by the Turks has given hope to the American nation. It has inculcated them with courage. The American public fully appreciates the value of the services rendered by the Turkish Brigade and knows that because of them the Eighth American Army could withdraw without disarray. The American public understands that the United Nations Forces in Korea were saved from encirclement and from falling into the hands of the communists by the heroism shown by the Turks.
This is just the story of Kunu-Ri and there are many stories like this, there is a reason why Brigade received Presidential Unit Citation from both the U.S and ROK.
Finally about the Kunu-Ri there was a diary of a American officer with the Turkish Brigade during that battle, describing the situation and how Turks reacted to being encircled, I've tried to find it again but couldn't so, I strongly advise you to take a look at it.
The turks performance was poor and kunu ri was its only real highlight. They were more or less decimated and incapable of any meaningful contribution for the remainder of the war. Chinese records also indicated that they did not consider turkish forces to be a major threat
Didnt even mention the battle of yultong??.. as expected.. even names of simple soldiers are forgotten
MacArthur was an aging narcissist and going all in with an aging narcissist, counting on him to deliver is generally an unwise strategy, the kind of mistake people make even to this very day, but I digress. Truman is the one who blew it. Harry was all about accountability, and I like that quality. He was also decisive, almost to a fault. But he kept waffling with MacArthur. Granted, he was getting hammered, along with Acheson and Marshall, by the "Who lost China" crowd but he was getting warnings through backchannels, serious warnings, that if he went North the Chinese would come in. The problem is everyone saw the communists as some monolith controlled by Stalin, and Truman thought Stalin wouldn't pick Korea as the hill to die on. But China saw things differently and they were feeling their oats. Truman also got caught up in victory fever and once he gave MacArthur the green-light it was too late to call the fight off. The Joint Chiefs, especially Bradley, weren't much help but Harry knew better, and he did it anyway.
That said, at the end of the day a prosperous South Korea did eventually emerge and millions of lives that would have been taken by the butchers in the North were saved. That makes the fight a worthy effort, one the Americans deserve credit for. The problem is, the powers-that-be thought the same war of containment could be fought in Southeast Asia. Tragically, they learned the hard way that not all Asian countries are alike and that Vietnam and Korea were two distinctly different situations.
There are easy dots which can be connected when looking at the Korean War. Why did the U.S. think that Korea was worth fighting over when the U.S. hadn't even bothered to properly arm the South Koreans and had just discounted them from their defensive line? It's because the Korean War was never really about unifying the two Koreas. It was a pretext to reinvade China. MacArthur's own diaries show that he had every intention of invading China, and he place three separate invasion armies along the Yalu River, long before he had come close to eradicating the North Korean army.
The People's Republic of China in 1950 was less than one year old, and they had nullified the unequal treaties, cancelled at the rights and concessions associated with them, and tossed the colonial powers out of China. Now here they were, less than a year later, draped in the U.N. flag and ready to reinvade China, right about the time the U.S.'s "how did we lose China?" crowd had caused the Red Scare in the U.S.
Watching old documentaries made by the U.S. military shortly after the Korean War clearly shows how MacArthur placed an invasion army on the Yalu River, which was pushed back by Chinese forces, who then immediately crossed back to the Chinese side of the border. These events happened again shortly afterwards, but by the third time MacArthur placed a large invasion army on the Yalu River, the Chinese had had enough and pushed the army, which was obviously intent on invading China rather than uniting the Koreas, back into South Korea. The remaining two years of the Korean War was Chinese troops keeping the U.N. troops bottled-up in South Korea until they were finally tired of fighting and called for an armistice. This interpretation of events is supported by the collective agreement by western countries to not widely teach about the Korean War afterwards, leading it to become known as "The Forgotten War".
This official army video well made 1:15
Down sizing after WW-2 was one of our greatest mistakes.
How far we’ve fallen
Germany started and lost WWII in Europe and Germany was divided in half.
Japanese started and lost WWII in Asia and Korea was divided in half.
Go figure...
4:35 During this time of skirmishes, South Korean units usually won. And I understand the engagements were small to fairly large, up to company/battalion sized engagements.
Before 1950, US Chiefs of Staff made statement that they believed ROK Army was ready to defend itself and this was not some made up fantasy stories. ROK Army had been prevailing in the small sized engagements up until before 1950.
The reason for ROK Army winning the small engagements before 1950 is I believe due to superior command structure taught by US Military Advisors, which encourages local independent command, while the Soviet structure (which N Korean army followed) discouraged such freer thinking. At least that's what I read.
Maybe in according to korean propaganda. The south korean troops were poorly trained and lacked experience and the Americans rarely trusted them with significant missions. Chinese records also indicate that they found korean troops to be far inferior to the other UN and US forces they encountered
@@janusjones6519 korean soldiers were not poorly trained. Most of them knew how to fight because they were mobilized and trained by the Japanese during ww2. And thats why Korean soldiers knew how to deal with the tanks. The Korean soldiers had suicidal attacks on the North Korean tanks. Koreans knew how to fight at least.
@@janusjones6519 a Korean division abolished three Chinese divisions in the battle of youngmunsan. What do u think about this?
More than 60k chinese soldiers were K.I.A.
@@seoul_9584 The US estimated that the PVA suffered around 1k casualty. Maybe do your research based on facts, not korean propaganda.
@@seoul_9584 most western literature on the subject tended to rate south korean soldiers as poor in their combat abilities. Read some real books, not bs from your government
A shame the current political leaders haven't studied the Korean War.
Doesn't even mention that south Korea doesn't want to have free election on entire korea😅😅😅
Troll….
How could airpower close a frozen river?
Bridges can support heavy equipment, a frozen river may not.
@@bassplayersayer And bombs can make a frozen River unsafe very fast .
Look at the Napoleon movie trailer .
Why is there multiple china?
Imagine being on the losing side of WW2, and NOT getting divided. (Japan was part of Axis forces)
And imagine being on the winning side of WW2, and STILL getting divided. (Korean provisional government was recognized by Kuomintang China and declared war on Japan)
Irony is real. Japan should have been divided by the US, UK, Chinese and Soviet forces.
Soviets did almost nothing to defeat Japan. Why should they claim half of it to make into a communist hellhole? Tell Stalin to back off!
The Japanese Empire was divided. China got Japanese occupied China, the USSR got Sakhalin, Manchuria, the Kyril islands, and NK, while the US got the home islands and SK.
@@pacificblue5461The 700000 Kwantung Army in Northeast China was annihilated by the Soviet Union, and the number of Japanese troops annihilated by the United States and the Soviet Union was roughly the same
@@EspinosaEdelia Japan lost 23,000 troops to the Soviets. Its tiny fraction of their losses during the war.
McArthur’s military brilliance?
In clear hindsight he was a pretty bad commander.
Dugout Doug was responsible for the loss of the Philippines in 42. The only reason he remained in command of anything was because of the political consequences of dismissing him.
Regardless of his military track record, any commander that subverts the civilian control of our armed forces, deserves our scorn and not our admiration
From the Director: Thank you for your comment. Trust me, I struggled with using the term “Military brilliance”. But I chose it because Inchon was one of the US’s greatest military victories and like it or not, MacArthur was directly responsible for it. I am not a fan of MacArthur, he is a flawed person in many ways, but his actions must be recognized, both good and bad. Since this film was designed to educate military professionals, we can learn from both his flaws (which I also presented) and his victories.
@@ArmyUniversityPresswell said!
@@ArmyUniversityPressThank you for the reply and thank you for the great channel!
Without MacArthur's Inchon plan their may be no South Korea today . just one large Sh#thole North Korea.
Also MacArthur's occupation of japan was generous to the people of Japan vs if someone else was in charge .
It's Why Japan does not totally hate the US today .
When North Korean tanks invaded South Korea, the Korean soldiers tried the best they can do. There were a lots of sacrifices. There were suicidal attacks on North Korean tanks. The soldiers grabbed grenades and ran into the North Korean tanks. The Koreans fought savagely. Unlike Vietnam, Koreans were very anti-communist. And the US was a liberator that has defeated the Japanese empire. Koreans love Freedom. Koreans love America.
That’s hard to believe given there are no records of South Koreans performing such suicidal attacks. In fact that sounds like it was lifted from actions of Chinese ‘dare to die’ units in WW2 against Japanese armour
@@janusjones6519 there are a lots of records. U dont know because u r foreigner.
@@seoul_9584 yea maybe lots of record invented by your government
@@janusjones6519 Everything is censored in China. Do not disrespect our veterans. U think Korean soldiers just ran away and refused to fight? Lol this proves that how brainwashed u r.
U dont even know how korean people felt when communists attacked Korea.
@@janusjones6519 you only see the history u want to believe.
History helps when my morale is low tc
What if Pyongyang decides to unify Korea ?
When you [show a Kim some structure], he wants more.
This channel is bizarrely underexposed. Filter bubble.
What crazy USA strategy was attrition
I have the USA Battle Orders 24th Infantry Division ... date and time cut out. Classified Declassified
and mash it 11 years. of.
Also known as the forgottan war, but it shouldnt be
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Macarthur underestimated the Soviet Union,in the 1950s the Soviet Union had complete control over the ccp. Without the Soviets, Manchuria, like Korea, would be beyond Chinese control, so Zhou Enlai had to support the war.
Wrong. The soviets weren’t keen on conflict in korea at all as they were focused on europe. The north koreans basically forced the issue. China was more supportive and asked the soviets for assistance when the KPA were being pushed back. Even then the soviets were reluctant until the saw the success of the Chinese counter offensive and began to provide meaningful support
@@janusjones6519 Can you Chinese learn some history? The so-called Chinese army, the 13th Army of which was the Manchurian Communist Army sent to Lin Biao by the Soviets in Manchuria. The Northeast People's Autonomous Government of Manchuria existed until 1954. The weapons they used were Japanese equipment after the Soviet occupation of Manchukuo, and the Chinese were the objects of stability maintenance. Because most of you are Sinocrists, the Communist Party must suppress Sinocrists in order to rule China
@@janusjones6519 The Korean war was the product of the Soviet revolution in east Asia and the hope that the United States would hold back in Asia. The soviets still maintained 6 million troops, but the military readiness of the Soviet union was inadequate, many of their military personnel were symbolic, and there were great logistical problems, the Korean war was the war of the United States and the Soviet union, Stalin's orders and Soviet advisers ran through the war, so that without the Soviet union, Chinese troops could not even rely on manchurian railways to transport supplies
@@powergrassp7769 Not really, the korean war, just like the vietnam war that followed and the Chinese civil war that preceded it, had far more to do with their desire to achieve unification and independence than wholly ideological or some product of communist machination. What you described there is based on the outdated domino theory that have now largely proven to be false or at lease inadequate to provide a holistic explanation. New documents that have become available from both Russian and Chinese archives also exposed the fact that the soviet were not that interested in supporting the DPRK and only began to support the war after the PVA entered Korea. Even then, its support was restricted to largely materiel and air supper that did not go much beyond the Chinese border, AKA mig alley. the korean war was essentially a war between the United States and the PRC.
@@powergrassp7769 Lmao, I'm not even Chinese bro. I just like facts when it comes to history. and wtf is a sinocrist? wtf are you even talking about? it pretty obvious you are clueless because your response is to label me a 'Chinese' as if that's sufficient to back up the rubbish you a spewing.
That war was wine….. Macarthurs ego pushed it to far and caused the death of millions and the threat of Nuclear War until today.
原因就是苏联与美国
n fact, it needs to be pointed out that Mao Zedong was not the CCP leader at that time, he was only the public opinion, and the real leaders were Zhou Enlai and Liu Shaoqi
Wrong! Mao was like a king from 1943 until he died in 1976. He was a dictator and China’s Stalin
@@Shadowless_Kick Mao Zedong usurped the throne of Zhang Wentian.But he is a warlord and emperor.It was the Communist Party cadres of the Soviet Union who really played a role in the small circle.Mao Zedong played a role in uniting poor and lower-middle peasant cadres.This is something you don't see on Wikipedia.
@@Shadowless_Kick 如果他是中国斯大林，他就不会发动文化大革命才打倒苏联黄俄干部，而是直接可以利用kgb去消灭他们，这个湖南人让你们中国贫下中农可以变成像你这样的白区党
If Mao wasn’t the leader by then then why was he the one proclaiming the establishment of the PRC in 49? Wtf?
Hard to believe China supports Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
The Russians stole lots of Chinese land in Manchuria .
😂 In short, the US lost, and have lost every war since. Also, the Russians defeated the Nazis in WW2, 80% of fighting was on eastern front, we arrived at tail end of war & took credit. Today, S, Korea is nothing but a US military base, a occupied US colony, like Japan.
0:54 not ture
Korea was not run independently, not totally at least.
Korea kings need Chinese emperor‘s certification, Korea needs China to fight Japanese back for them.
Exactly the same relation as us and SK today.
Would you say that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are not independent countries since they still seek approval from the monarch of the UK? It's the same relationship, it largely was a cultural tradition in recognition of shared values and continued cooperation between the two states that had no real influence. Especially by the time the Qing Dynasty was in power.
@@channeldud they are NOT independent, they follow what the Yankees say. There are only four and half major countries who are independent, the us, Russia, China, India,and France can be count as a half.
The big boss of the communist alliance at that time was Soviet Union, not China. Both South and North Koreans wanted to defeat the other half and unify the country. Kim Joon un’s grandfather needed Stalin’s approval, not China’s certificate, although Kim did consult with Mao about his plan. China was dragged into the war because USSR’s pressure and the US’s threat
lol. You two must be from 중공. Trolls
This film just skipped many facts….