I’m surprised they didn’t acknowledge that Matthias Wandel designed the original pantorouter and that he sells plans to build one much more affordably from wood.
The aluminium version is licensed from Matthias, not sure if its a one time deal or a cut, but they have a good relation, Matthias did some design work recently to make additional addons for the aluminium version
Well, Companies (when are use inventors); they don't tell the inventor. For, they are scared the inventor; will want the buyer, to sell his! And I believe, Matthias would do it. (Not Sure)
Not a single word about Matthias Wandel, man who designed and made the 1st ever pantorouter out of wood. He even sells plans for it and has step by step videos on how to build it.
Matthais actually worked with PantoRouter to help them develop the tool. No one is trying to cover up his significant contributions. www.pantorouter.com/about
Built mine years ago, and it's my most used tool still to this day. It costs less that the Festool Domino mortiser, and makes better Domino slots. As well as everything else.
I love how this fast tracks mortise and tenon joinery, no buying biscuits or dowels, not to mention the endless other things that could be done, even half blind dovetails could be expedited with this.
I will put in my two cents here. This is a very high quality machine with great people behind it. The improvements made to it are also worthy of attention. I like that there is nothing digital about it which makes its simple operation open to a lot of different ways of using it etc. With custom jigs for unique wood challenges it goes beyond the mortise and tenon which it does very well. Maybe the most appreciated aspect for me is the intuitive nature of setting up a part and its cut with whatever I end up noting on the wood itself, then, matching it to the router and cutter. If the machine relied more on settings then it wouldn't feel as intuitive. The Domino is also great but it has many more limitations and can sometimes feel less intuitive but again it is quite good on large sheet goods but not so much for furniture parts. The Panto in my shop will probably continue to evolve along with various jigs and custom applications.
Thanks for your input, I am using it and yes it now has great value in my shop. I two have made different jigs and very happy with results. again thank you for your help
If I recall correctly, Matthias built his own panto-router long before they offered to give him one. For the kinds of easily repeatable joinery he likes, it's a great tool. Not everyone wants to knock out a sturdy cabinet or shelving system with a zillion mortised joints in an afternoon. But if you do, it's well worth considering either the money to buy one or the time to build one.
Woodsmith's parent company purchased Popular Woodworking in 2019. We're still separate publications but we share a lot of resources. We'll be moving into a new, independent shop in 2023 so be sure and check out the updates on that as we get underway.
It's worth the splurge. In terms of flexibility of usage and expanded design possibilities, it's the Erector Set of the woodworking world. Very well made and supported well by Mac Sheldon.
An interesting tool but at $1400 I'm not sure of the cost effectiveness. Probably OK for a shop doing production work. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I think 1400 is about right. Considering how much you can spend or have spent on everything else in a workshop. Depends on what you’re making but any domino or joinery tools cost about as much and are less flexible. I get the cost/use relation but it’s a drop in the bucket even if you’re frugal.
You can make them from wood. :) They are worth it. I mean, the production model is great, but it is pricey. But once you take into consideration the price of extruded slotted aluminum alone, it starts to become more understandable. People spend more than this on silly Domino mortisers. (And they don't do them as good as the pantorouter.)
Great machine, I hope China makes one and puts them out of business. The people who sell it are jerks beyond belief. If you get defective parts like I did you play hell getting replacements. It took me 8 months to get replacement parts. And ever since then. they cancel my accessory purchases still.
Absolutely. Of course there are far cheaper ways to make these joints. As far as work? The pantorouter is far faster and easier than any other method I have ever used or seen. It also has accuracy to within a few thousands of an inch, which is difficult to replicate. Did I mention it’s insanely fast? It’s an absolutely perfect machine and it is so intuitive to use. It also lends itself to a lot of creativity, and the owners/community are only starting to scratch the surface of what this thing can do.
My PantoRouter sits in the box in the corner of my garage just collecting dust, no Router to fit in Australia. it went from $2300 dollar by the time it was delivered to my home $5000 dollars later useless
Bosch and others have routers for your AUS power - soft-start too. I built a rolling stand for mine including a place for s centrifugal dust separator. Set it up and play with it. You should find endless uses and pleasure from it. I can run mine on a generator when the power is frequently out in CA, too.
I’m surprised they didn’t acknowledge that Matthias Wandel designed the original pantorouter and that he sells plans to build one much more affordably from wood.
The aluminium version is licensed from Matthias, not sure if its a one time deal or a cut, but they have a good relation, Matthias did some design work recently to make additional addons for the aluminium version
Do you have a source by chance I can follow?
@@hypersonichobo4263 sorry didnt get a notification, he talks about is in a bunch of videos on his second channel
Well, Companies (when are use inventors); they don't tell the inventor. For, they are scared the inventor; will want the buyer, to sell his! And I believe, Matthias would do it. (Not Sure)
Not a single word about Matthias Wandel, man who designed and made the 1st ever pantorouter out of wood. He even sells plans for it and has step by step videos on how to build it.
Matthais actually worked with PantoRouter to help them develop the tool. No one is trying to cover up his significant contributions. www.pantorouter.com/about
Built mine years ago, and it's my most used tool still to this day. It costs less that the Festool Domino mortiser, and makes better Domino slots. As well as everything else.
I love how this fast tracks mortise and tenon joinery, no buying biscuits or dowels, not to mention the endless other things that could be done, even half blind dovetails could be expedited with this.
I will put in my two cents here. This is a very high quality machine with great people behind it. The improvements made to it are also worthy of attention. I like that there is nothing digital about it which makes its simple operation open to a lot of different ways of using it etc. With custom jigs for unique wood challenges it goes beyond the mortise and tenon which it does very well. Maybe the most appreciated aspect for me is the intuitive nature of setting up a part and its cut with whatever I end up noting on the wood itself, then, matching it to the router and cutter. If the machine relied more on settings then it wouldn't feel as intuitive. The Domino is also great but it has many more limitations and can sometimes feel less intuitive but again it is quite good on large sheet goods but not so much for furniture parts. The Panto in my shop will probably continue to evolve along with various jigs and custom applications.
Thanks for your input, I am using it and yes it now has great value in my shop. I two have made different jigs and very happy with results. again thank you for your help
Matthias is the Elon musk of woodworking. Without the insanity.
That still feels like an insult to Matthias tbh
Matthias is far smarter.
If I recall correctly, Matthias built his own panto-router long before they offered to give him one. For the kinds of easily repeatable joinery he likes, it's a great tool. Not everyone wants to knock out a sturdy cabinet or shelving system with a zillion mortised joints in an afternoon. But if you do, it's well worth considering either the money to buy one or the time to build one.
I don't think I'll get one. I already have the Panty Router. I have had it for a very long time and I still enjoy using it,
Hahahaha
Have I just not been paying attention, but when did Woodsmith and PW merge?
Woodsmith's parent company purchased Popular Woodworking in 2019. We're still separate publications but we share a lot of resources. We'll be moving into a new, independent shop in 2023 so be sure and check out the updates on that as we get underway.
I wanted to ask you if it is sold online
Where to buy this?
It's worth the splurge. In terms of flexibility of usage and expanded design possibilities, it's the Erector Set of the woodworking world. Very well made and supported well by Mac Sheldon.
That's entirely subjective.
@@NBGTFO cool. 'Splain please why you feel you aren't able to extract $2400 worth of value from this machine
Excellent review, i just can't afford it. I have a very small shop.
Make one. I have 1 arm/leg, and made mine years ago thanks to Mathias's plans.
@@carterscustomrods do you have a link to the plans
Search for matthias wandel pantorouter videos @@bigsparky65
An interesting tool but at $1400 I'm not sure of the cost effectiveness. Probably OK for a shop doing production work. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I think 1400 is about right. Considering how much you can spend or have spent on everything else in a workshop. Depends on what you’re making but any domino or joinery tools cost about as much and are less flexible. I get the cost/use relation but it’s a drop in the bucket even if you’re frugal.
exelente herramienta
Seems like a nice tool, but wow, I have sticker shock!
You can make them from wood. :)
They are worth it. I mean, the production model is great, but it is pricey. But once you take into consideration the price of extruded slotted aluminum alone, it starts to become more understandable.
People spend more than this on silly Domino mortisers. (And they don't do them as good as the pantorouter.)
Hi You are making an add for Pantorouter, why all the add's in the add??
This is not a sponsored video from pantorouter. This is a video that I chose to make because I really enjoy the tool.
Great machine, I hope China makes one and puts them out of business. The people who sell it are jerks beyond belief. If you get defective parts like I did you play hell getting replacements. It took me 8 months to get replacement parts. And ever since then. they cancel my accessory purchases still.
I’ve found them to be absolutely wonderful to deal with. My first machine was lost by the shipping company and the customer service was 10/10.
Why do they cancel orders and send your money back? They’ve done this four times to me since my machine purchase!
Just buy domino , faster and lot easier to setup!
Big cost and a lot of work. I think there are easier ways to make mortise and tenon joinery, dovetail joinery, etc.
I made mine years ago, and it's so much more than that. Every form of joinery can be done with this, and with extreme precision.
Absolutely. Of course there are far cheaper ways to make these joints.
As far as work? The pantorouter is far faster and easier than any other method I have ever used or seen. It also has accuracy to within a few thousands of an inch, which is difficult to replicate.
Did I mention it’s insanely fast?
It’s an absolutely perfect machine and it is so intuitive to use. It also lends itself to a lot of creativity, and the owners/community are only starting to scratch the surface of what this thing can do.
But can it make me a sandwich 🥪 I’m hungry 😋
My PantoRouter sits in the box in the corner of my garage just collecting dust, no Router to fit in Australia. it went from $2300 dollar by the time it was delivered to my home $5000 dollars later useless
Bosch and others have routers for your AUS power - soft-start too. I built a rolling stand for mine including a place for s centrifugal dust separator. Set it up and play with it. You should find endless uses and pleasure from it. I can run mine on a generator when the power is frequently out in CA, too.