It is super nice to do and play around together. We didn't get where we are now by coincidence by the ways. Lots of years of very diverse and consistent training! We think about every detail.
I can do that by breaking later and thus also deeper into the turn (past halve way through the turn) . The reduction in speed gives a reduction in turning radius. If I were to break earlyer I would have to release the break sooner and not have the pressure on the front to rotate so fast. Also I whold have to get on the throttle equally sooner running wider. Lieneke gets on the throttle a bit to soon here. Tight turns are front wheel grip limited. So you need to decelerate in the turn to generate the grip to do this. Pressure on the rear wheel is wasted on it.
@@IamLaR1 hey, thanks! Interesting question. I try and think lots about these things but also feel and figure out what works. I would not say this is a universal rule that applies to all bikes. But, in general: you want to break very hard in a straight line, sit far backwards (as much weight backwards as you can) since you are not grip limmeted. You are grip limited if you add quite a bit of lean, extreme steering angle or when grip levels get low, in these cases try and get pressure off the rear wheel and on the front wheel (where you want as much grip as you can get). This because the rear isn't doing much. So on most bikes and especially in tight turns we sit against the fuel tank. In faster turns I do what I need to be able to still move my weight around a bit to be able to make corrections to the balance. This is a very advanced technique. Something that is very hard to learn on a big bike like a cbr600. You learn this if you ride pitbike or a supermoto. There you have lots of space to move around and the bike is very light. So sitting forward 10cm makes a massive difference to the pressure distribution between front and rear tire.
In that case you are very much like me the first time I saw the at that time EU champion ride (@Moto Gymkhana by Kristian Eekhof). It took me just under two years after that to become EU champion myself. It takes training and not listening to the BS others sell. Only learn from the best!
This is the simplified version of the course at which we raced that morning. The race course is more complex and without guiding markers. We get 30 minutes to learn the course by foot before we get two attempts at setting the fastest time!
What break I use: both, the amount of each depends on the situation (I also use the rear lots usually). Front break I always use when slowing down (I do not if the required change is minute). There is very rare to not use the throttle, usually only for a very short amount of time (couple of tenths of a second is long).
@@preylist6419 I never use the throttle in combination with the front break. Only exception is on the supermoto when the clutch is pulled completely to prevent it from stalling. This so that when I release the break I do not have to wait to let the engine spin up before starting to release the clutch. This is not a relevant technique for 99.99% of riders. Also FYI we do not drag the rear break a lot. It would get to hot, I only stab it shortly to make small corrections. The engine break is enough to not really need it on the supermoto. Even on the gsxr we only drag it while breaking from high speed. When doing tight manoeuvres we stab it.
@@bobstopler can u explain what you mean by stab? also when you are braking so much is ur clutch engaged or released? what gears are you on, how do you prevent it from stalling
No need to if you want to go fast. I only see that as a valid technique if you ar in the dirt or sometimes when the handlebar is far away like on the bike I ride here following Lieneke where sometimes my arms are to short to reach the outside arm. While rotating at full lock I do sit off the bike to the inside but my shoulders rotate towards the outer handlebar just because of ergonomics (otherwise I cant reach the throttle)
Where can I sign up for this training and course?!?!
Awesome! I have watched so many rides and this must be the coolest.
Skills! !m so far away from being able to do this!!
It is super nice to do and play around together. We didn't get where we are now by coincidence by the ways. Lots of years of very diverse and consistent training! We think about every detail.
02:11 I love the tap
amazing, got to be world class contender.
Lieneke several times EU women's champion and I was in 2017. In this video we are just screwing around. It can be done much quicker.
Super impressive, and I need this. Bad.
1:25 how did he manage to close his line so much?
I can do that by breaking later and thus also deeper into the turn (past halve way through the turn) . The reduction in speed gives a reduction in turning radius. If I were to break earlyer I would have to release the break sooner and not have the pressure on the front to rotate so fast. Also I whold have to get on the throttle equally sooner running wider. Lieneke gets on the throttle a bit to soon here. Tight turns are front wheel grip limited. So you need to decelerate in the turn to generate the grip to do this. Pressure on the rear wheel is wasted on it.
@@bobstopler ... what a great and detailed response...so would you say to be forward in your seat is better, entering a turn and through the turn???
@@IamLaR1 hey, thanks! Interesting question. I try and think lots about these things but also feel and figure out what works. I would not say this is a universal rule that applies to all bikes. But, in general: you want to break very hard in a straight line, sit far backwards (as much weight backwards as you can) since you are not grip limmeted. You are grip limited if you add quite a bit of lean, extreme steering angle or when grip levels get low, in these cases try and get pressure off the rear wheel and on the front wheel (where you want as much grip as you can get). This because the rear isn't doing much. So on most bikes and especially in tight turns we sit against the fuel tank. In faster turns I do what I need to be able to still move my weight around a bit to be able to make corrections to the balance. This is a very advanced technique. Something that is very hard to learn on a big bike like a cbr600. You learn this if you ride pitbike or a supermoto. There you have lots of space to move around and the bike is very light. So sitting forward 10cm makes a massive difference to the pressure distribution between front and rear tire.
Poser le genou...belle demo !!
DAMN I ALWAYS DREAMING I CAN DO THAT SHIT THUMBS UP!
In that case you are very much like me the first time I saw the at that time EU champion ride (@Moto Gymkhana by Kristian Eekhof). It took me just under two years after that to become EU champion myself. It takes training and not listening to the BS others sell. Only learn from the best!
This is awesome
Motogymkhana is awesome!
That's awesome. Love it
How the hell do you remember the route through that?
This is the simplified version of the course at which we raced that morning. The race course is more complex and without guiding markers. We get 30 minutes to learn the course by foot before we get two attempts at setting the fastest time!
Lean-eke
Scarier to try knee down going slow, but a lot safer. Gotta get over instict..
Very nice....
are you only using front brake? when you are using the front brake, is there throttle at all during more sweeping turns
What break I use: both, the amount of each depends on the situation (I also use the rear lots usually). Front break I always use when slowing down (I do not if the required change is minute). There is very rare to not use the throttle, usually only for a very short amount of time (couple of tenths of a second is long).
@@bobstopler so when ur slowing down and turning, ur still on the throttle? i understand with rear braking, but with front brake also?
@@preylist6419 I never use the throttle in combination with the front break. Only exception is on the supermoto when the clutch is pulled completely to prevent it from stalling. This so that when I release the break I do not have to wait to let the engine spin up before starting to release the clutch. This is not a relevant technique for 99.99% of riders. Also FYI we do not drag the rear break a lot. It would get to hot, I only stab it shortly to make small corrections. The engine break is enough to not really need it on the supermoto. Even on the gsxr we only drag it while breaking from high speed. When doing tight manoeuvres we stab it.
@@bobstopler can u explain what you mean by stab? also when you are braking so much is ur clutch engaged or released? what gears are you on, how do you prevent it from stalling
I think using the front brake at low speed when leaning happens to the front to close and drop the bike
I’m dizzy
Haha, wait until you do this on the bike. This is till taking it slow. We have techniques to prevent us from getting dizzy FYI.
Why not just counterweight at that speed?
I wonder if Greg Widmar aka fast Eddie from Motojitsu has done that?
No need to if you want to go fast. I only see that as a valid technique if you ar in the dirt or sometimes when the handlebar is far away like on the bike I ride here following Lieneke where sometimes my arms are to short to reach the outside arm. While rotating at full lock I do sit off the bike to the inside but my shoulders rotate towards the outer handlebar just because of ergonomics (otherwise I cant reach the throttle)
@@motoryzen I do not know or understand why he teaches like that. I have never seen someone go fast using that technique.
@@bobstopler well it works. Every single thing ( as far as beginner level stuff goes) that Greg has taught that I've tried...works
@@motoryzen true. It is possible. Keep in mind that in motogp in the 90s they also were fast using a goon riding style. Stil it wasn't ideal.
eyy is gewoon op de tippe in staphorst. lol
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