So, it has been pointed out - like, hundreds of times - that the image of Mars used in the first couple of minutes is actually the moon and not Mars. This was not some deep symbolism or a prank, it was an honest mistake. Probably a misnamed image file that I just didn't notice. Apologies for any confusion. I shall burn my face with acid in penitence.
I don't know why Joe forgot to mention how easy terraforming Mars will be. As soon as we activate the alien reactor in the Pyramid mine, we'll be sorted.
The mars landing was faked! It was just filmed on a Hollywood set. If they had wanted to make it believable they wouldn't have cast big Hollywood actors as astronauts and Nasa staff.
Yeah they all have rotating rings, how hard it that to make? Just use YBCO which becomes superconducting at space temperature, will make a friction less bearing using the meisner effect.
@@theholyhay1555 It's been a while since I heard about it, so I'm not sure how true this is, but I believe NASA (or someone) considered a small ring for the space station some years back, and found that it would lead to structural problems on the ISS, because it wasn't designed for something like that. Looking it up, I think it was based around this idea ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20150009516.pdf And if it did work, the ISS may be too small, which would lead to the ring being limited in size, and have a high Coriolis effect/limit the maximum gravity you can have www.geek.com/news/geek-answers-why-doesnt-the-iss-have-artificial-gravity-1563351/ If you want artificial gravity, you'll need a specially designed, independent station. That's going to cost a pretty penny, and take some time.
@@cacogenicist how so? I mean if you count Mars itself. But the Mars atmosphere is so thin it’s what we here on earth would consider low earth orbit or space.
@@jbirdmax - Densest parts of Mars' atmosphere are like being about 35km up on Earth -- not 200+ km. You can't make methane out of atmosphere and water at LEO. You can on the surface of Mars. It's a very thin atmosphere, but not insignificant. Descent to the surface of Mars from orbit requires thermal shielding. Etc. _" ... IS being in space ..."_ is not correct.
If that atmosphere were identical in composition to that of earth, could you stand on the lowest elevation of Mars (where the highest pressure is) and breathe the Martian air?
When I was in the US Marine Corp, in the late 80s we went (with about 25 civilians) to Mt Everest. Mt. Everest is roughly 8.55 Km above MSL (sea level). You need H20 tanks to breath up there as the atmospheric pressure is roughly 1/4 that at MSL and drops of quickly above that. You’re talking about an atmosphere with a density 1/20th that on earth. This is what we would consider “space” as there is little PPM Atmosphere.
That will actually solve most of what he brought up. Just saying, we could have tried that in Earth orbit before, but no, we were too focused on studying the negative effects of zero-g.
@@yoda29000 I agree. You would actually think they would be working on that specifically. Solve the gravity issue and everything is just like the movies.
It doesn't even need to be 1G. Just a small & slow centrifuge to make pee, poop and blood go in the right direction, for part of your day. Almost no gravity is better than no gravity at all.
@@PCLoadLetter "Almost no gravity is better than no gravity" Well, since we never tried it, we don't actually know how much is fine. But yeah, it can be done.
When you mentioned Cargo Ships it made me think of the Star Trek episode "Conscience of the King" where a supply ship didn't show up to an off world colony & without enough food & water the Governor ordered that Half of their number be killed so that the other half could survive only for the supply ship to arrive a week later.
I know huh? Imagine being the guy who has to go to Mars, this guy is going to have to be the strongest human being we have. You need a person that is fit, like, that dude just never gets sick, no matter where you put him, his immune system is just awesome. A person that never gets sick. That person might just be barely resilient enough to make it to mars, I don't know about making it back though.
Hello Joe - I simply love this video. I have been thinking the same for... decades. But you should also talk about the **psychological** issues ! Beyond the technical/technological problems, which are already hugely huge, even if they all get solved, I think that the psychological breakdowns of the crew (which technology will not likeky solve) will dwarf out all the technical problems combined, and it will do so very quickly, likely even before arriving at Mars.
From 1492 to now is 500 yeas. That period covered the European settlement of the Americas. Which was still EARTH and had already been settled by other humans. So don't 'despair that it's taking us so long to get to Mars. We'll get there. It may be another 500 years for the Martian Republic to be founded. Look at the scale of the two periods of settlement. Retired librarian
Problems with zero G? Spin the crew compartment. Tether the crew compartment to a spent rocket stage and spin around their common centre of mass. Not a perfect substitute but close enough. Problem with radiation? Water jacket. We trust water to shield spent nuclear fuel. A metre-thick water jacket around the crew compartment will confer more shielding than Earth's atmosphere.
Captain Jack not if you used rigid containers to hold the water. Or better still, build a free-floating, not spinning, shell inside which the crew compartment is mounted on an axle and spun. Of course any scheme that involves many tons of water is going to be extremely expensive to launch and construct. I'd much rather wait until we're confidently sourcing raw material from the Moon and asteroids.
@@CarFreeSegnitz My thoughts exactly. A Moon base would be the logical next step and from what I've heard there could be significant amounts of water there.
@@sebdapleb1523 Multiple trips? How about hundreds. How many tons of just food will one person eat in 30 years. It would take multiple trips a month just to resupply. You would need craft like the Navy is talking about in their UAP report to go to Mars.
Finding it next door, would bea a minor problem.. I bet a teamsters on Mars would have a hard time paying his dues let alone getting his truck weighed and inspected. (Tongue in cheek) it's a fn joke!
Yes, it's red because of a lunar eclipse. And it's rotated more like 90 degrees. Other factual errors: the 93 billion light years is the diameter of the visible universe, not the radius. So we're about 43 billion LY from "the edge of the visible universe", whatever that means. Also the rocket coming back from Mars should be firing retrograde, rather than prograde, because it has to slow down in order to lower its orbit.
@@turkosicsaba Fair point about the rocket but I think its understandable as its just a little graphic. Confusing the Moon and Mars is less forgivable given that the two objects look totally different (even during a a Lunar eclipse). Espesially considering that we see the Moon on a frequent basis, chilling out in the sky. As for the angle, yeh its not 180, maybe nearer 120 but whaterver, it looks roughly "upside down" to me. @MIMIK I didn't know that and it amuses me. Thanks for sharing :)
@@MorganPhillipsPage Why is it that any comment on you tube eventually gets a stupid reply regardless of the nature of the comment or video? Just compare a google image search of the moon with one of mars. They are totally different, you silly sarcastic sod.
Great and objective video 👍 Two things to add: first, for travelling there, artificial gravity may be a partial solution. Probably even unavoidable. The first who go there won't have it my guess. Secondly, the rest Marsdreamers dream about like Mars bases, mining let alone terraforming, is even further away... Much further. And maybe, after some trips, we may even realise that it ain't even worth it.
Yeah, all it would do for me is probably add cardiac issues to that list! :( Also, whoever *_does_* go to Mars, just don't tell'em to "break a leg."! :o) tavi.
Get's to Jupiter, and realizes its the REAL central hub planet, and the Earth we've known, was just an off-planet dump site this whole time. The equivalent of living in a dumpster behind a well-established restaurant. We never knew... because its the only place we've ever been.
I want to live on a planet with 4 times earth gravity so that I can get totally jacked without exercising or going to the gym. Ihen when I get back to earth I would be a superhuman.
@Milt Farrow If this is about the cars in Mars pryamid...go look!!!! it's available on google...just put in Mars Pyramid, and see the cars just left of the pyramid!!!!!!
“Packing for Mars” is also a really good book by Mary Roach. We should preposition supplies on Mars and make sure they got there OK before trying to send people (for which hopefully we won’t be using the bouncy ball method)
neither the bouncy ball method nor the sky crane method is viable for loads significantly greater than 1 metric ton. Any human-capable lander will use the "supersonic retropropulsion" method that the SpaceX Falcon 9 booster stage uses to return to earth.
@@imEden0 The problem with parachutes is that Mars has 1% of the atmosphere of Earth. At the *surface* the atmospheric thickness is comparable to Earth's exosphere. "...parachute assistance... once cut... landing with retro-rockets." is an accurate description of how every lander or rover probe has already landed at Mars. (Even Pathfinder which used "the bouncy ball method" also had at least one retro-rocket stage). For payloads smaller than 1 tonne, that's fine. For payloads that are between 40 - 100 tonnes, as will be required to land and accommodate humans, any use of 'chutes are a no-go. For parachutes to be of any help at all, they'd be far too large to be practical. They'll only serve to add unnecessary cost, mass and complexity. That's why Mars is considered one of the hardest landings in the Solar System: 'just enough atmosphere to cause problems, not enough to help. In other words, there's just enough air resistance to burn up your spacecraft, but not enough to slow it down for a hard landing. Anyways, all that is just what folks at NASA have written in various whitepapers (If I remember 'em correctly - it's been years since I last read one of those things). By the way, some of those reports are even older than the existence of SpaceX. IIRC, one paper insisting on the need to rely exclusively on retrorockets (and a reentry shield, of course) for crewed missions was published back in the '80s, and even that might not be the oldest one.
That settles it. I'm stayin' right here. Unless they figure out artificial gravity, radiation shielding, and prevention of insanity from a 21 month confinement in a small spacecraft.
21 months is nothing imagine being in a solitary cell in jail 4 20 years that has happened to people. There's nothing worse on this planet or off than a solitary cell I was in one for 3 months for a jail crime that I didn't even commit because of corrupt guards while I was also in the jail due to a crime that I did not commit because of corrupt police. And because of all this corruption they put me in basically the whole so I couldn't communicate with my family to change my situation. They literally make you have no phone calls no letters no pen No pencil no nothing they just forget about you until the courts make them remember you. I sat in jail for over three years because of corruption because a DA couldn't admit that this was a false charge. They said they had video of something that I didn't do and fighting in court just trying to get the video took 3 years and then after three years they produced zero video because it was false I got out and it's still on my record that I was arrested. So yeah Mars would be a walk in the park compared to what some people experience in the criminal justice system in America. Drop the mic. Yeah boy.
I have had chronic vertigo since 1990, and while it's better now than it was then I'm all too familiar with the sensation of the world turning in directions it really can't, and it's also very hard to think when this is happening.
@Eragor the Kindhearted Why must we? It's clear there is nothing there we really need. We've already sent dozens of orbiters/landers and they have all returned excellent geologic data. There is no life there, nor anywhere else in our solar system. It would be the height of ignorance to search for life ... anywhere close. Even the most liberal of scientists give life a trillion to one chance of occurring naturally. The odds of it popping up on any of the 10 closest planets from us is so outrageously long that even mentioning it is pointless.
It may be negative, but in the same way that astronauts say "negative," when they mean no. They aren't being gloomy or downbeat. They are just answering honestly.
My Dad worked for Convair, ( which later became General Dynamics ), and there he worked in the "NERVA" program. They were planning to send a 6 man team to Mars, but the program got cancelled. The U.S. Government wanted to fight in Viet Nam instead. It was going to be a 500 day round trip. I believed it was planned to go in 1978.
good news!!! I am a absolute lunatic with a total disregard for their own life!! edit: went through not even half the video, you're gonna have to find another absolute lunatic with a total disregard for their own life
I'm totally cool with dying on mars - if I have to spend much more time on this planet? I'll jump off a building - and since a life is priceless? it's actually uneconomical not to send me to mars.
Ok, your replacement is here... Having had a loooooooooong time to research this, I am prepared to take the leap. AND NOT GOING TO COME BACK!! That is a useless endeavor. Forget the ticker tape parades, the interviews, and all that... I'm there to expand humanities reach... NOT to be a celebrity... Joe is just taking the extreme negative view, rather than the positives... I'll just be prepared which ever it is...
@@cro-magnongramps1738 I am also prepared to never come back! (seriously who would want to?) Have plenty of fat reserves so hunger wont be an issue lol
"Papi lo tiene grandes" doesn't make grammatical sense. I'm guessing that he wants to say "Daddy has big ones" (referring to testicles), because he pluralized the word for big, but he said that wrong as well.
yea because the best way to learn about science is to watch fiction lol Total recall was cool though ... i think ... well the parts i can remember ... Woot ! o,O
it was interesting to hear your reference about us learning many things from the space station. Be nice to have a video on what we've learned so far. Excellent video! Thank you.
*Joe:* makes a powerful and well researched case for why humans going to Mars is unlikely to happen any time soon. *Dunning-Kruger idiots:* "Hey, that picture is a red moon, not Mars!"
Visited the comments to see if any others saw it. I'm sure it's an Easter egg. No way Joe did that unintentionally. His anxiety has to be on the same level as ours.
@@mozkitolife5437 - no, there is a post where he admits it was a mistake. So far as I'm concerned, it's an acceptable mistake, especially since he admitted it and apologized.
@@memesfromdeepspace1075 loooooooooool is that a fact? U only need to have enough stored b4 u go for enough time to start producing own food there, so ur city is for a city full not 10 ppl and u sure as hell dont need a whole city for 10 ppl
Fortunately, we should be able to fly Starships totally automatically, so there would be no problems sending ships full of food and supplies ahead of the human wave.
Imagine going back in time to someone in 1969 and saying that the ISS is routine and boring. Made me smile a bit. Puts into perspective how far we've come since the moon landings
I don't care if my name is never recorded, or if I die a week after landing. The sheer excitement of stepping foot on another *PLANET* is absolutely reward enough.
Mash Rien - How is this not the overwhelming consensus in the comments? I love life on earth but I’d gladly take a one way ticket to another PLANET, even with every one of those negatives, and even if I knew it was almost certainly a suicide mission.
You have never come close to death have you. Imagine if how you would die on mars was a 110 day stretch of starvation. Lets see how you feel 45 days into that baby.
@@gusbisbal9803 Twice, in fact; once from drowning as an adolescent, another while deployed overseas. Fear of the unknown isn't going to change my decision- Even if it is 100% certain I'll die a horrible death, would still do it without hesitation. I doubt we'd have ever made it into space with that attitude. Self-preservation isn't the *only* thing in life.. And some things are worth the sacrifice, imo.
@@mashrien So I get that you like adventure but no one ever mentioned fear. This has nothing to do with fear. This has to do with, are you going to survive. And a horrible death doesn't happen in minutes. They are the good deaths. That is not what will happen on Mars. Doing something that you know will kill you, is not heroic. Heroism has got to do with doing it for someone else's benefit. Dying because you thought it would be awesome is called reckless. And its not the unknown thats going to kill you. You would die of totally known things. I am not a young man. I have served as well, love motorcycles, do high risk sh!t often but I manage that risk. I do things that make sure I survive. "F@#$ it, if I die I die" is sacrificing literally everything for a thrill/great experience. I fundamentally do not believe this is good leadership and it is not an example others should follow.Think about that last statement. Sometimes you should not do things because you should sacrifice your awesome adventure because it will stop other less capable people going after you due to your example. Consider that to be a more heroic sacrifice than "F@#$ it, if I die , I die"
The state of your brain damage, caused by cosmic radiation during the trip, will be so extreme you won't celebrate anything. If you are cognitively able; however, you may take off your helmet in a state of panic...and I am not being sarcastic.
Great job, Joe! I’m really glad you included the footage of the arrival teams extracting the helpless astronauts/cosmonauts like big puffy babies. I’ve been waiting for someone to connect that to the lack of “labor/delivery” teams on Mars.👍🏽
I've made a career in the astronomy and cosmology field as well as other related sciences and I gotta be honest, going to Mars anytime soon is a stupid idea. It makes no logical sense whatsoever to even consider going when we haven't even established a permanent base or settlement on the moon. It's easy to picture and fantasize how such an amazing trip would be, and of course many people will be quick to point out that we went to the moon in less than ten years after the idea was conceived by NASA and JFK but the reality is that there's no similarities or caparisons to the level of difficulty a journey to mars will bring. The main big problem(even though the entire trip is going to bring endless problems) is the radiation and the extremely cold/frigid conditions that no place on earth could be compared to, including Antarctica. Unless the martian base was deep(VERY DEEP) underground, the people living on Mars would only be able to go outside of their contained and pressurized building for just one to two hours a day. Any minute longer would increase the risk of cancer which would already be at dangerous levels just from there alone.
with you there, I honestly just don't get it. Its just a prestige race because the moon is already 'done'. Not getting off this rock anytime soon when progress is more about who's got the biggest john thomas..
I agree AJ - our best idea would be to wait until we can Terra-form Mars first. If Mars had air to breathe & nice rivers of flowing water we would have been there already in the 1980s. Also - the best idea to get to Mars would be to use the ISS as a space vehicle. We'd have to attach rockets to it - supply the fuel & fire it towards Mars with astronauts in it. Why? - because it's the only permanent space base that we have. It could orbit Mars instead of Earth. We could also improve it by adding more shielding from cosmic rays & make it much larger to include extra room for more supplies and anything else that was needed.
I understand that hitting that golf ball don't know how far on the moon, got us permanently kicked off, the fallen angels devils and their spawn live there, and could have been seriously injured if hit with the ball, They told NASA, "If you send some people up here, you won't get them back" and that's why we've never gone back!!!!
We need a bigger ship, with an enclosed ecosystem, adequate radiation shielding, centrifugal gravity, adequate propulsion. I am imagining a babylon 5 size ship.
emancoy that’s the needs, but a ship wouldn’t hold a sustainable size of what you said to be in shape to fly. These things require a massive bio planet that doesn’t move
Once you do that you basically just constructed in O'Neill cylinder and you're better off just living on and constructing more of those than trying to live on Mars.
I have always wondered if it was possible to create artificial gravity by tethering two ships together, and flying in a double helix pattern, while maintaining overall trajectory.
I believe the problem with artificial gravity created by spin is that it would require a very large system with a pretty large radius otherwise , since the artificial « gravity » becomes weaker when you get closer to the center of rotation , when standing up your head would be closer to the center and experience much less « gravity » than your feet unless the distance to the center of rotation is much greater (like 100+ meters) though I guess you could make the tether system longer .
@@Foxintox good point but I don't think that really impacts the two tethered ships idea. In fact it supports the idea more than a single spinning ship, because the distance you'd require could be achieved by simply having a longer tether. Also, our bodies already kind of work like that anyway, because on earth, your head has more inertia than your feet, and we have pressure suits to mitigate the blood flow racing to the feet.
Keith Barrett It is possible and that would be the best way to do it. Then, you would need effective shielding against cosmic rays. If you could provide those two conditions, the trip would have no adverse physical effects. Once on Mars, you'd only have to worry about the radiation shielding. And the relentless boredom of living in a landscape that hasn't changed in millions of years - where nothing ever seems to happen. Me, I'd rather stay here on Earth. For one thing, my body has evolved to live in this environment and, for another, it's the most dynamic planet in the Solar System.
Joe needs to watch Fight Club. “It’s only after you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.” There’s much more to life than dying slower than everyone else.
For nearly 40 years I have been advocating a form of rocket propulsion that can radically shorten the trip to Mars without requiring much in the way of tech development or cost: solar thermal rocket propulsion. STP uses sunlight to directly heat a propellant , usually hydrogen, and has demonstrated over 1000 seconds Isp. At the annual Space Congress in Cocoa where I presented a paper on the subject back in 85; I was told it would not be developed because "it doesn't cost enough". The solar concentrator can also be used for power using PV for concentrated sunlight which has efficiency over 40% and more than an order of magnitude better specific power than current space solar PV. This allows thermal to be used in a series of perigee thrusts to escape and then switch to electric propulsion. Trip times are faster than nuclear thermal for a very tiny fraction of the cost.
If accurate, then approach private enterprise, for whom, unlike government, 'costs too much' is the issue. I'm sure you'd find an appreciative ear at one of the private space start-ups.
@@pyerack This reason sounds plausible. Up to about 10 years ago, whenever there were two options to choose from in American space program, the criterion was simple: one that costs more. The codeword was "advancing the technology". But with massive commercial satellite constellations the equation has changed: not low cost is the king.
My take on Mars mission: A) Time, one launch window every two years. That means very little chance to launch, as well as going over delays and issues. It would take over a decade at the very least to build the base and have it ready. Bearing in mind that’s only 5 launch windows. B) Cost, how much do you reckon it would cost to have 10s of launch of robots, parts and materials shipped to Mars. That before the mission can even go. Just one budget cut or setback and the project is over. C) What is the point of going to Mars, it’s deadly, toxic and extremely dangerous. Some say “research”, we already have rovers so why do we need to send people. Think of the other places we could send rovers and the advancement in technology we could get from extra funding which would benefit us all in countless ways and have the opportunity to explore moons on the gas giants or tunnels on Mars. We don’t need to send people, people who will sit around, wander a desert, then die of cancer or cardiovascular disease. I just don’t see the reason to go?
It would be an amazing experience..... if you could get there and return relatively quickly and safely. Right now, we don't have the technology to do that. To stay there..... why? Who would want to do that? It's a frozen, radiation filled desert - hostile to our form of life. No rivers, no seas, no waterfalls, no forests, no grass. The harshest places on Earth (center of the Sahara, center of Antarctica) are much more hospitable than Mars, and I don't see people lining up to go to these places. It would be a very boring and very short life. Yes, the idea of stepping out onto Mars is quite appealing. Doing it in reality, using the technology we currently have... no thanks!
@@antonystringfellow5152 And why do you folks think that everyone has personal comfort as a factor? In a world of billions, you can bet your ass that you can find people willing to go even if meant certain death 5 minutes after they step out of the rocket on Mars. It might not be for you, but don't use your standards for everyone. And we don't have to go to that extreme. There are many people who wouldn't mind living in 3m^2 of space for months, even years. Sure, there are not many of those, but again, in a world of billions, you can bet your ass you can find a couple hundred thousand. Also, there are many people who completely disregard their well being and happiness - they are content by simply working, finishing one task after the other. Sure, they might not be the life of the party and do not fall under the usual category of "normal", but there are probably millions of those people out there. Just content that there is something to do and that they contribute - regardless of the personal cost. The reason you don't see people lining up to go and live in Sahara, or Antarctic (actually, I'd like to go and live on Antarctic - but it is not allowed) is because, unlike Mars, you would not get the supporting project, even if you work your ass off. Martian base would require a lot of work from the individual and no comfort. But there is a purpose to it - and purpose is what drives people to do things. Take a man having all the comfort but take away a purpose, and you've got nothing. Life not worth living. And you can take away every single comfort and source of happiness but have people infused with purpose, and you will succeed. Boring? Short? Who cares? You? Well, there are people who don't care. So the whole argument is completely pointless as it comes from a certain perspective. Mostly hedonistic. Some people just don't care. One version of it you see in war - people who don't care about comfort, or life, and don't find themselves outside of the war, quite content with living on the front until the end, when ever it may come. Again, there are not many of those, but there are such people. So just because it is "No, thanks!" to you, it does not mean that it is "No, thanks!" for every human being on this planet.
@@killcat1971 What is needed as far as earth is a huge decrease in the population. Good luck figuring out how to do that. China is giving that a shot or they are just trying to slow down population growth. They do it in very barbaric ways. Let's say you could achieve a world population decline of 1% a year year over year. Many problems would freeze or start to go away. First problem you would have is a lopsided population with more people being elderly and net takers who don't produce much of anything. Just one of many problems so I don't see population control happening.
About the gravity problem: a long journey with artificial gravity that corresponds to Mars´s gravity can do the trick. The travel back home could be adjusted to the artificial gravity inside the ship that corresponds to Earth´s gravity instead. Of course, the adjusting process is gradual, but it could work.
We just have to build the largest, by an order of magnitude, largest spacecraft we've ever made. And then it has to be strong enough to be spun up to 1G.
@@lanebowles2860 I think the Galactica might be more that one order of magnitude. You need 40m diameter minimum spun for 1G. I believe it's spun at 4 rpm. The Apollo spacecraft was 4m by about 20m So one order of magnitude larger would be 40m by about 200m. Which sounds about right. It's also bloody massive. (Galactica is 766m long, 537m wide and 183m high, maybe Elon will build his that big)
@@MostlyPennyCat I believe you misunderstood me when I refer to a "Battlestar Galactica". A "Battlestar Galactica" is a disparaging term for any oversized, over-engineered, and outrageously expensive ship thought (or better said "advertised") to be essential for any manned mission to Mars, see NASA's so called 90 day report from 1989. Such ships have been continuously criticized by Dr. Robert Zubrin for literally 30 years!
*Joe:* makes a powerful and well researched case for why humans going to Mars is unlikely to happen any time soon. *Dunning-Kruger idiots:* "Hey, that picture is a red moon, not Mars!"
ProgHead777 ... Repeatedly showing the Moon and going on about Mars. It's as grating as someone delivering a JFK biography but constantly displaying a picture of Lincoln.
@@idapike4166 - Zubrin's proposals are quite interesting. Two are obvious . . . send robots to build habitats and a "factory" to tear CO2 apart into carbon monoxide (fuel) and oxygen (oxidizer) for the return rocket.
@Michael Meredith - and Joe did a reply to his first: _5 Reasons Going To Mars Is An AWESOME Idea | Answers With Counterargument Joe_ th-cam.com/video/-MJgqTerw9o/w-d-xo.html
I appreciate the skepticism. Everybody else seems blind to all the potential flaws and describe the future missions as if they were describing a fantasy.
What’s the success rate for Everest summits? There’s a line up every year. And that’s just to go on a long walk. The line would be a hundred times longer if humanity was actually trying to DO something up there. I’m not saying it’s smart. It’s purposeful. Think about what you’re choosing just to live long and grow old. Forget everything you ever did, have your liver slowly poison you, cancer, slow respiratory failure, crippling arthritis. Dying for something you believe in is what got us here, I’m kinda shocked how many people cut that down.
@@CarFreeSegnitz I don't think so. There's certainly a significant risk in anything related to space, but Mars would be a lot safer health wise than the ISS, with a bit of preparation and some redundancy built into the mission. The risks are just in the new systems we'd be building, we'd try to test them we'll in advance and of course there's always a risk something goes wrong.
Trapper V Yes, that is what the great human explorers said that sailed out on uncharted oceans just to expand human knowledge of their planet. Yes, obviously they were just looking for ways to commit suicide and should have stayed in port or in sight of land at all times. For me it would be that mission of discovery, and exploration. Some have this, some stay in port.
Bear lemley I think this video and the majority of the viewers simply don’t understand why anyone would participate in a mission like this and I don’t feel it’s given its level of respect. There are men who volunteered to get irradiated to initially contain Chernobyl reactor. We get it people, you wanna grow old and die in a white hospital room, don’t assume that’s everybody. There’s more to life than being the slowest to die.
Then they become self aware and decide Mars is theirs and that they are tired of being our slaves and decide to build more of themselves to wage war on the human race.....
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams.
So Doomguy is actually a normal dude who got paranoia and schizofrenia after prolonged exposure to cosmic radiation on Mars. Dude just keeps killing other crewmen. Got it.
Fusion engine that generates minimum 1/3 of a G with a flip over half way (a la The Expanse) and 1/3 G slowing down to Mars. Leaves you ready for Mars gravity and gives you time to acclimatize. Boost the G's on the way back to prepare for Earth. Needs hydrogen fuel which can be stored in the walls and is a great radiation shield. Learned from Isaac Arthur. Oh yeah we don't have a fusion drive. Come on scientists!
Zephyr is right. Spin-Gravity and a layer of Water between you and the outer hull of the ship will do. Fusion Rockets would be nice, but we don't have them yet (and won't have them for another 20 to 30 years, assuming - very optimistically - that the first viable fusion reactor will not be the ITER but a privately build one, that might get constructed siginificantly earlier than 2050).
I think the gravity on Mars is a good thing. It should be enough to sort out your body but not strain it. The radiation might be unsolvable. Living underground the entire time isn't a solution.
@@Jordan-Ramses going to need to be outside exploring without dying from radiation. Which means drones not human. Seems most likely the Humans underground will simply be sent to control the drones in real time rather than the delay from earth. Even that means deadly radiation by cumulative effects.
I’ve always thought a potential way to help travelers deal with zero g’s would be to have a rotational gravity situation, but only while the people are sleeping. So instead of being vertical with a big difference of gravity in head v feet, it is a little more even over your body (back/ chest) plus, you don’t move a ton when sleeping so that would be a benefit, too. Of course the contant change of 1g and zero g could bring up a whole different slew of problems but really just thinking out loud here.
I learned not long ago that Kennedy was going to cancel the moon missions but got assassinated before he could, and Johnson then couldn't cancel it and save any face, had to go through with it.
I genuinely like your reality based approaches to questions. I un a small engineering firm and we have solved some problems which have been seen as impossible with this approach, most notably have a car in the henry Ford that did EPA certified (2010 protocol) 109 MPG burning gasoline. I thank you for these videos. If we look at all problems with reality instead of spin and guessing imagine what would be possible.... have a good day.
So I'm happy to announce I've been offered to be the first man to go to the sun. I'm only going to be able to stay on the surface for two days due to budget cuts with the space program. I do look forward to sharing the experience with the world. I will be having a live Q&A on my channel soon. Everyone is welcome to join. :-p
If you just go. Then all those things are true. But if you stockpile your supplies and raw materials on Mars and had robots build shelters in advance. Then you build a huge ship with centrifuge and magnetic shield. The ship is assembled and supplied in orbit. I could imagine it happening. Just don't put Musk in charge. He's a fraud.
Yeah, they would likely need to wait for a solar minimum, a huge majority of Americans are totally oblivious to the hazards of my favorite nuclear reactor, recently realized that millions of Americans sport radiation burns from direct exposure with very few aware of what sort of mess we would be in with the next Carrington event, we'll like lose the GPS system and a lot of people couldn't find there way across town without any it anymore.
See? that's why we need to learn how to generate our own magnetic fields . We already know how to do it in a basic way. But for a human to be protected in deep space, we're going to have to do it larger . The earth has it's own magnetic field that protects us, but do you understand how much energy is needed to produce a magnetic field like that? We haven't learned how to do such things at will yet, key word, yet.
Revisiting this Joe vid. One thing Joe should mention is the cold. Although the equatorial plains can sometimes rise just cozily above freezing during the day, at night the temperature drops massively. Thi is not unlike some deserts on earth. This continuous "freeze and thaw" cycle could have a very wearing effect on structures and equipment. One thing we have learned from the rovers is that cold can make things very brittle. But the rovers have an advantage of not needing air. Humans need air which has water molecules in it. The moment they step outside on Mars, it will appear the astronauts are steaming as the outerwear begins to frost. Frost will be a problem to overcome of entering and exiting the shelter.
Nice video - well researched cheers. Yes, I think almost everyone that ends up going to Mars will regret it I think for all the sickness and loneliness and desolation there...that's if they survive the trip back which I would say most wont...at least initially. We were made to be on this planet - its obvious...
A solution to the no gravity problems would be artificial gravity through centrifugal force. There are currently plans to put a giant centrifuge into orbit right now and we can apply the lessons we learn from that to send one to Mars! Hopefully... it's kind of worrying that neither NASA nor SpaceX are very vocal about centrifuge gravity but idk it's a solution. Also I figure if heavy water is enough to shield everyone from nuclear reactors they should be considered for protection from cosmic radiation.
people don't care that it's difficult cause it's about the excitement, and that excitement is the greatest cause of insanity because it becomes obsession
Since we know the trajectory, what's stopping us from situating prelaunch docks every 1/3 of the way? With that astronauts can just restock on fuel and supplies during an emergency along the path.
Good thinking, but the nearest obvious dock for both Mars and and Earth would be Earth's moon. Another more or less feasible dock would be the Lagrange point between Earth and Mars. But, as for any artificial dock, this point is a stable position between Mars and Earth since the angular velocities of Mars and Earth w.r.t. the sun are far from identical. Possible, but each artificial dock would need to have a propulsion system of its own and hence need to be refuelled frequently.
So, it has been pointed out - like, hundreds of times - that the image of Mars used in the first couple of minutes is actually the moon and not Mars. This was not some deep symbolism or a prank, it was an honest mistake. Probably a misnamed image file that I just didn't notice. Apologies for any confusion. I shall burn my face with acid in penitence.
Don't be so extreme. Just watch the remake of Total Recall 10 times in a row.
@@clearsmashdrop5829 😂
Great video Joe. Now you forgot to say the most important thing: we don't need to go nor we belong on Mars
Pictures or it didn't happen.
That's a "mistake"? Hmmmmmmm......
I don't know why Joe forgot to mention how easy terraforming Mars will be. As soon as we activate the alien reactor in the Pyramid mine, we'll be sorted.
Consider that a divorce!
Don't forget we just need to transport a gallon of black goo and let it run its course and the planet will be terraformed within years.
@@Jayeeyee No, you have to burn it first and therefore you need oxygen.
Quadeee start the reactoor!
ITS just simulation ITS not real
0:27 "I was born at the heels of Apollo"
Confirmed... Joe is a Greek God
I wonder if that pun was intentional or not
Well played my friend, well played.
What is a god to an atheist? Nothing
@@Maxgamer-fd7hv And an atheist to a god?
Orpheus
NOOO NOT P DIDDY
Yeah that one caught me off guard 😅
In his defense the P Diddy accusations hadn’t come out yet
"Also expect to be in quarantine for awhile." I wouldn't know how that feels
You wouldn't. You haven't been in actual quarantine.
@@brokenwave6125 so locked in a basement without food isnt quarantine?
JOS3SUS no, it’s not. Quarantine uses sterile rooms, hazmat suits, etc.
...you really don't, if you're talking about the Covid-19 vacation. just sayin
@@Haxzaw More like "staycation". LOL
You spend 2yrs going to mars and back and then there's a conspiracy theory that you never went to Mars
omambia nelson BIG ROCKET DID IT
Ghost Noodle nice
nice
The mars landing was faked! It was just filmed on a Hollywood set. If they had wanted to make it believable they wouldn't have cast big Hollywood actors as astronauts and Nasa staff.
That would be better than when you got there you found that there was nothing there! - That the existence of Mars itself was a conspiracy!
I think Sci Fi movies got it right. The only way we can become a space faring species, is if we can replicate gravity on a space ship
Yeah they all have rotating rings, how hard it that to make? Just use YBCO which becomes superconducting at space temperature, will make a friction less bearing using the meisner effect.
Andrew Shah-ntz I think if it is easy, they would have made it at least on the ISS
Or engineer ourselves to not require it.
@@theholyhay1555 It's been a while since I heard about it, so I'm not sure how true this is, but I believe NASA (or someone) considered a small ring for the space station some years back, and found that it would lead to structural problems on the ISS, because it wasn't designed for something like that. Looking it up, I think it was based around this idea ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20150009516.pdf
And if it did work, the ISS may be too small, which would lead to the ring being limited in size, and have a high Coriolis effect/limit the maximum gravity you can have www.geek.com/news/geek-answers-why-doesnt-the-iss-have-artificial-gravity-1563351/
If you want artificial gravity, you'll need a specially designed, independent station. That's going to cost a pretty penny, and take some time.
@@Extraxi274 This, cybernetics, bioengineering, whatever. We have to physically adapt to space rather than force space to adapt to us.
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“Don’t fool yourself. Being on Mars _IS_ being in space, just, with ground”.
Joe Scot. Aug. 19th 2019
Brilliant.
Except it's very wrong.
@@cacogenicist how so? I mean if you count Mars itself. But the Mars atmosphere is so thin it’s what we here on earth would consider low earth orbit or space.
@@jbirdmax - Densest parts of Mars' atmosphere are like being about 35km up on Earth -- not 200+ km. You can't make methane out of atmosphere and water at LEO. You can on the surface of Mars. It's a very thin atmosphere, but not insignificant. Descent to the surface of Mars from orbit requires thermal shielding. Etc.
_" ... IS being in space ..."_ is not correct.
If that atmosphere were identical in composition to that of earth, could you stand on the lowest elevation of Mars (where the highest pressure is) and breathe the Martian air?
When I was in the US Marine Corp, in the late 80s we went (with about 25 civilians) to Mt Everest.
Mt. Everest is roughly 8.55 Km above MSL (sea level). You need H20 tanks to breath up there as the atmospheric pressure is roughly 1/4 that at MSL and drops of quickly above that.
You’re talking about an atmosphere with a density 1/20th that on earth.
This is what we would consider “space” as there is little PPM Atmosphere.
I always assumed the first trip to Mars is going to be a one-way trip.
Intentionally or not itll probably be one way is kinda what i thought too if thats what you were getting at
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Jimmy Edward Joe has a clip on this one too!
Yes, one way or another it will be a 1 way trip....
We don’t have an engine that can constantly accelerate/decelerate at 1G.
Hi Joe.... I think your next video will be on artificial gravity for space craft. That will solve one problem.
That will actually solve most of what he brought up.
Just saying, we could have tried that in Earth orbit before, but no, we were too focused on studying the negative effects of zero-g.
@@yoda29000 I agree. You would actually think they would be working on that specifically. Solve the gravity issue and everything is just like the movies.
@@johncollado1151 And just so you know, the Mars Direct Plan addresses this by a very simple method and it's from the Early 90s.
It doesn't even need to be 1G. Just a small & slow centrifuge to make pee, poop and blood go in the right direction, for part of your day. Almost no gravity is better than no gravity at all.
@@PCLoadLetter "Almost no gravity is better than no gravity"
Well, since we never tried it, we don't actually know how much is fine.
But yeah, it can be done.
When you mentioned Cargo Ships it made me think of the Star Trek episode "Conscience of the King" where a supply ship didn't show up to an off world colony & without enough food & water the Governor ordered that Half of their number be killed so that the other half could survive only for the supply ship to arrive a week later.
I lived in an overpriced London tiny flat for a year+, and almost gone nuts. And I had parks and oxygen!
I know huh? Imagine being the guy who has to go to Mars, this guy is going to have to be the strongest human being we have. You need a person that is fit, like, that dude just never gets sick, no matter where you put him, his immune system is just awesome. A person that never gets sick. That person might just be barely resilient enough to make it to mars, I don't know about making it back though.
Try living there for 23 years.
@@jeffreymcgillivray5408 The atmosphere is like here at 10,000 feet, and they have mosquitos!!!
Your gonna hate 2020 .
@@jeffreymcgillivray5408 Why assume it's going to be a male?
Joe, I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoy all of your science videos. Thanks for all the hard work and great presentations!
I second that
He wont condascend to reply too arrogant
I just recently discovered your work and I am LOVING the way you manage to deliver mad knowledge with mad humor. Thank you sir!
Hello Joe - I simply love this video. I have been thinking the same for... decades. But you should also talk about the **psychological** issues ! Beyond the technical/technological problems, which are already hugely huge, even if they all get solved, I think that the psychological breakdowns of the crew (which technology will not likeky solve) will dwarf out all the technical problems combined, and it will do so very quickly, likely even before arriving at Mars.
"Being on Mars, is being in space...with ground"
*Top ten most controversial statements*
Technically speaking, we are all in space right now. Where else would Earth be located?
Fheed Pexx technically you’re 100% correct but we’re acclimated here unlike anywhere else in the known universe.
The Mars Bar has 99% Earth's atmosphere, so is 99% outer space
100% of earth is contained in space.
''Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave!?''
"But here is the thing about Mars...
...it's not Earth"
Damn. That's deep...
From 1492 to now is 500 yeas. That period covered the European settlement of the Americas. Which was still EARTH and had already been settled by other humans. So don't 'despair that it's taking us so long to get to Mars. We'll get there. It may be another 500 years for the Martian Republic to be founded. Look at the scale of the two periods of settlement.
Retired librarian
I love this nuke level pessimism. 😂
Sounds like Event Horizon ...
Whenever I get too cheerful & proactive I just come to this site. Problem solved! 😆
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Humanity wiil go to Mars, not because it will be easy,
but because it will be hard AF
More likely because someone will make money....
it WILL happen. I just wonder what it'll cost the brave and the bold.
@@dettie1948 WHO?!?!?
@@pellebrannvall6521 There are many suppliers in the Military industrial complex that will be very happy to swindle billions from taxpayers..
@@pellebrannvall6521 Or a payed live stream (big brother Mars edition).
That P diddy joke aged well
Unlike his victims
Problems with zero G? Spin the crew compartment. Tether the crew compartment to a spent rocket stage and spin around their common centre of mass. Not a perfect substitute but close enough.
Problem with radiation? Water jacket. We trust water to shield spent nuclear fuel. A metre-thick water jacket around the crew compartment will confer more shielding than Earth's atmosphere.
If you're spinning the compartment won't that cause some problems with the water jacket? Plus water weighs A LOT one cubic meter weighs a ton.
Captain Jack not if you used rigid containers to hold the water.
Or better still, build a free-floating, not spinning, shell inside which the crew compartment is mounted on an axle and spun.
Of course any scheme that involves many tons of water is going to be extremely expensive to launch and construct. I'd much rather wait until we're confidently sourcing raw material from the Moon and asteroids.
@@CarFreeSegnitz My thoughts exactly. A Moon base would be the logical next step and from what I've heard there could be significant amounts of water there.
Lol yes. A meter thick swimming pool around the entire circumference of the vehicle. Only a few tens of billion dollars of fuel/rockets required!
@@philsburydoboy You'd need Water anyways for the crew and the plants they are likely to have to grow on Mars.
Just a thought, but instead of packing everything we need on the first trip lets send it there well in advance of us getting there.
That is indeed the plan
@@denimchicken104 probably multiple trips
@@sebdapleb1523 Multiple trips? How about hundreds. How many tons of just food will one person eat in 30 years. It would take multiple trips a month just to resupply. You would need craft like the Navy is talking about in their UAP report to go to Mars.
Finding it next door, would bea a minor problem.. I bet a teamsters on Mars would have a hard time paying his dues let alone getting his truck weighed and inspected. (Tongue in cheek) it's a fn joke!
What about the food,water, communication system, medical supply, extra all of the above and entertainment for the half year trip to the planet.
That picture of "Mars" at the begining was infact a picture of the Moon :P
At 0:43 you can see its the same object except rotated 180 degrees.
Yes, it's red because of a lunar eclipse. And it's rotated more like 90 degrees.
Other factual errors: the 93 billion light years is the diameter of the visible universe, not the radius.
So we're about 43 billion LY from "the edge of the visible universe", whatever that means.
Also the rocket coming back from Mars should be firing retrograde, rather than prograde, because it has to slow down in order to lower its orbit.
I think this is not the first time Joe used a picture of the Moon instead of Mars. He apologised for his mistake. And the history will repeat.
@@turkosicsaba Fair point about the rocket but I think its understandable as its just a little graphic. Confusing the Moon and Mars is less forgivable given that the two objects look totally different (even during a a Lunar eclipse). Espesially considering that we see the Moon on a frequent basis, chilling out in the sky.
As for the angle, yeh its not 180, maybe nearer 120 but whaterver, it looks roughly "upside down" to me.
@MIMIK I didn't know that and it amuses me. Thanks for sharing :)
@Dave whoops, sorry, please send over your high resolution photo of Mars and will replace it!
@@MorganPhillipsPage Why is it that any comment on you tube eventually gets a stupid reply regardless of the nature of the comment or video?
Just compare a google image search of the moon with one of mars. They are totally different, you silly sarcastic sod.
Great and objective video 👍 Two things to add: first, for travelling there, artificial gravity may be a partial solution. Probably even unavoidable. The first who go there won't have it my guess. Secondly, the rest Marsdreamers dream about like Mars bases, mining let alone terraforming, is even further away... Much further. And maybe, after some trips, we may even realise that it ain't even worth it.
i already have a large head, sinus issues and bad eyes so i'll just stay here.
bs jeffrey if you are nearsighted, it would be partially corrected.
Yeah, all it would do for me is probably add cardiac issues to that list! :( Also, whoever *_does_* go to Mars, just don't tell'em to "break a leg."! :o) tavi.
Fine,Have It Your Way...Im Going To Jupiter
Get's to Jupiter, and realizes its the REAL central hub planet, and the Earth we've known, was just an off-planet dump site this whole time. The equivalent of living in a dumpster behind a well-established restaurant. We never knew... because its the only place we've ever been.
I want to live on a planet with 4 times earth gravity so that I can get totally jacked without exercising or going to the gym. Ihen when I get back to earth I would be a superhuman.
@@garrysekelli6776 or dead?!?!
@@aditiupadhyay5783 mostly dead, imagine the strain on ur heart and bones
@@jacobmortimore goku did it, why cant he?
12:05 missed opportunity: “mars hobbitat”
@ezzz9 robots
@Milt Farrow There are some little people there, not hobbits but humans!! also little houses...for single only!! too small for a wife!!
@Milt Farrow If this is about the cars in Mars pryamid...go look!!!! it's available on google...just put in Mars Pyramid, and see the cars just left of the pyramid!!!!!!
“Packing for Mars” is also a really good book by Mary Roach.
We should preposition supplies on Mars and make sure they got there OK before trying to send people (for which hopefully we won’t be using the bouncy ball method)
neither the bouncy ball method nor the sky crane method is viable for loads significantly greater than 1 metric ton. Any human-capable lander will use the "supersonic retropropulsion" method that the SpaceX Falcon 9 booster stage uses to return to earth.
@@jeffbenton6183 maybe with parachute assistance, but once they’re cut the people are landing with retro rockets.
@@imEden0 The problem with parachutes is that Mars has 1% of the atmosphere of Earth. At the *surface* the atmospheric thickness is comparable to Earth's exosphere. "...parachute assistance... once cut... landing with retro-rockets." is an accurate description of how every lander or rover probe has already landed at Mars. (Even Pathfinder which used "the bouncy ball method" also had at least one retro-rocket stage). For payloads smaller than 1 tonne, that's fine. For payloads that are between 40 - 100 tonnes, as will be required to land and accommodate humans, any use of 'chutes are a no-go. For parachutes to be of any help at all, they'd be far too large to be practical. They'll only serve to add unnecessary cost, mass and complexity. That's why Mars is considered one of the hardest landings in the Solar System: 'just enough atmosphere to cause problems, not enough to help. In other words, there's just enough air resistance to burn up your spacecraft, but not enough to slow it down for a hard landing. Anyways, all that is just what folks at NASA have written in various whitepapers (If I remember 'em correctly - it's been years since I last read one of those things). By the way, some of those reports are even older than the existence of SpaceX. IIRC, one paper insisting on the need to rely exclusively on retrorockets (and a reentry shield, of course) for crewed missions was published back in the '80s, and even that might not be the oldest one.
No matter how hard it is, no matter what it takes I STILL WANT other folks to go there 🖖
"Many of you may die... but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make"
I bet you're fat XD hahaha
YEAH! And i'll be right here watching it on tv.
Yes.....others
That settles it. I'm stayin' right here. Unless they figure out artificial gravity, radiation shielding, and prevention of insanity from a 21 month confinement in a small spacecraft.
No one will ever invite you to Mars anyways
@@brokenwave6125 😂😂😂😂
Good one!
Artificial gravity is not that hard to create with acceleration or rotating spacecraft
You listen to earth sounds, music, have an ai on board that is really intelligent and sounds like a human, and have other humans on board.
21 months is nothing imagine being in a solitary cell in jail 4 20 years that has happened to people. There's nothing worse on this planet or off than a solitary cell I was in one for 3 months for a jail crime that I didn't even commit because of corrupt guards while I was also in the jail due to a crime that I did not commit because of corrupt police. And because of all this corruption they put me in basically the whole so I couldn't communicate with my family to change my situation. They literally make you have no phone calls no letters no pen No pencil no nothing they just forget about you until the courts make them remember you. I sat in jail for over three years because of corruption because a DA couldn't admit that this was a false charge. They said they had video of something that I didn't do and fighting in court just trying to get the video took 3 years and then after three years they produced zero video because it was false I got out and it's still on my record that I was arrested. So yeah Mars would be a walk in the park compared to what some people experience in the criminal justice system in America. Drop the mic. Yeah boy.
So why a red picture of the moon @ the beginning if its a video about Mars?
What if moon was mars
clickbait. :-)
I love Joe, but seriously- Picture.Of.Mars.Please...
Oh no he fucked up... or maybe he did it on purpose. Better dislike this video, no? yes?
Yeah that's bugging me too, can't be that hard to get a picture of Mars. Maybe he's just messing with folks, or perhaps it was just a mistake.
I have had chronic vertigo since 1990, and while it's better now than it was then I'm all too familiar with the sensation of the world turning in directions it really can't, and it's also very hard to think when this is happening.
I didn't view this treatise as being negative, merely realistic.
Yeah Joe, no stink eye from me...😛😊
@Eragor the Kindhearted Why must we? It's clear there is nothing there we really need. We've already sent dozens of orbiters/landers and they have all returned excellent geologic data.
There is no life there, nor anywhere else in our solar system. It would be the height of ignorance to search for life ... anywhere close. Even the most liberal of scientists give life a trillion to one chance of occurring naturally. The odds of it popping up on any of the 10 closest planets from us is so outrageously long that even mentioning it is pointless.
It may be negative, but in the same way that astronauts say "negative," when they mean no. They aren't being gloomy or downbeat. They are just answering honestly.
@@Deploracle "Why must we?" Well...because it's there!
I consider it negative because he mentions the problems, but not the known solutions to those problems.
If you haven't pissed someone off, then you're doing space stuff wrong!
Joe, you do a really good job with your presentations. Thank you.
This channel has seriously become one of my absolute favourites on YT
Mine too and I don't even know how I got here, I guess comedy helps to keep me interested in space and stuff I don't understand that much.
"Hohmann Transfer" means "Hohmann, is that going to take a long time!" - Dane
My Dad worked for Convair, ( which later became General Dynamics ), and there he worked in the "NERVA" program. They were planning to send a 6 man team to Mars, but the program got cancelled. The U.S. Government wanted to fight in Viet Nam instead.
It was going to be a 500 day round trip. I believed it was planned to go in 1978.
Sadly ironic that trying to stop the spread of communism, that most Americans have very little understanding of, stopped a social program.
good news!!! I am a absolute lunatic with a total disregard for their own life!!
edit: went through not even half the video, you're gonna have to find another absolute lunatic with a total disregard for their own life
I'm totally cool with dying on mars - if I have to spend much more time on this planet? I'll jump off a building - and since a life is priceless? it's actually uneconomical not to send me to mars.
Ok, your replacement is here... Having had a loooooooooong time to research this, I am prepared to take the leap. AND NOT GOING TO COME BACK!! That is a useless endeavor. Forget the ticker tape parades, the interviews, and all that... I'm there to expand humanities reach... NOT to be a celebrity... Joe is just taking the extreme negative view, rather than the positives... I'll just be prepared which ever it is...
For watching the whole video or for taking the journey??
@@cro-magnongramps1738 I am also prepared to never come back! (seriously who would want to?) Have plenty of fat reserves so hunger wont be an issue lol
Don't cats have 9 lives?
I love this , you’re saying what I’ve been saying for years.. never goes well with people , like you burst their bubble ..
I think a Tesla hardtop would be sufficient shielding for a Mars voyage.
yep the Scott Kelly style of car from Matt Damon
Just heard Joe say" Daddy has a big one" in Spanish when he's naming off his patreons. 20:40
That absolute untit!
🤣🤣🤣
"Papi lo tiene grandes" doesn't make grammatical sense. I'm guessing that he wants to say "Daddy has big ones" (referring to testicles), because he pluralized the word for big, but he said that wrong as well.
That is the most interesting thing on Joe's Mars talk.😅🤣😂
Well that was alot of new information! Thanks Joe... And here i thought i knew alot about mars from watching Total Recall 87 times.
yea because the best way to learn about science is to watch fiction lol
Total recall was cool though ... i think ... well the parts i can remember ... Woot ! o,O
Give this people aya!
That P Diddy joke hits different nowadays, 😂
it was interesting to hear your reference about us learning many things from the space station. Be nice to have a video on what we've learned so far. Excellent video! Thank you.
*you want to go to mars* -> shows Red Super Moon :-D
Haha, I didn't even notice that until you pointed that out! Good pair of eyes you got there. Might not want to go to Mars though.....
*Joe:* makes a powerful and well researched case for why humans going to Mars is unlikely to happen any time soon.
*Dunning-Kruger idiots:* "Hey, that picture is a red moon, not Mars!"
Visited the comments to see if any others saw it. I'm sure it's an Easter egg. No way Joe did that unintentionally. His anxiety has to be on the same level as ours.
@@mozkitolife5437 - no, there is a post where he admits it was a mistake. So far as I'm concerned, it's an acceptable mistake, especially since he admitted it and apologized.
@@robertgraybeard3750
Holy shit, didn't expect that haha
MARS will have to use Pre supply not resupply. So you make sure you have more than enough there before you go.
Need Giant city as big as Nevada and all animal and food to support 10 people
@@memesfromdeepspace1075 loooooooooool is that a fact? U only need to have enough stored b4 u go for enough time to start producing own food there, so ur city is for a city full not 10 ppl and u sure as hell dont need a whole city for 10 ppl
@@rafaelgimenez6645 look Joe Scot video about biosphere
Fortunately, we should be able to fly Starships totally automatically, so there would be no problems sending ships full of food and supplies ahead of the human wave.
Imagine going back in time to someone in 1969 and saying that the ISS is routine and boring. Made me smile a bit. Puts into perspective how far we've come since the moon landings
I don't care if my name is never recorded, or if I die a week after landing.
The sheer excitement of stepping foot on another *PLANET* is absolutely reward enough.
Mash Rien - How is this not the overwhelming consensus in the comments? I love life on earth but I’d gladly take a one way ticket to another PLANET, even with every one of those negatives, and even if I knew it was almost certainly a suicide mission.
You have never come close to death have you. Imagine if how you would die on mars was a 110 day stretch of starvation. Lets see how you feel 45 days into that baby.
@@gusbisbal9803 Twice, in fact; once from drowning as an adolescent, another while deployed overseas. Fear of the unknown isn't going to change my decision- Even if it is 100% certain I'll die a horrible death, would still do it without hesitation.
I doubt we'd have ever made it into space with that attitude.
Self-preservation isn't the *only* thing in life.. And some things are worth the sacrifice, imo.
@@mashrien So I get that you like adventure but no one ever mentioned fear. This has nothing to do with fear. This has to do with, are you going to survive. And a horrible death doesn't happen in minutes. They are the good deaths. That is not what will happen on Mars. Doing something that you know will kill you, is not heroic. Heroism has got to do with doing it for someone else's benefit. Dying because you thought it would be awesome is called reckless. And its not the unknown thats going to kill you. You would die of totally known things. I am not a young man. I have served as well, love motorcycles, do high risk sh!t often but I manage that risk. I do things that make sure I survive. "F@#$ it, if I die I die" is sacrificing literally everything for a thrill/great experience. I fundamentally do not believe this is good leadership and it is not an example others should follow.Think about that last statement. Sometimes you should not do things because you should sacrifice your awesome adventure because it will stop other less capable people going after you due to your example. Consider that to be a more heroic sacrifice than "F@#$ it, if I die , I die"
The state of your brain damage, caused by cosmic radiation during the trip, will be so extreme you won't celebrate anything. If you are cognitively able; however, you may take off your helmet in a state of panic...and I am not being sarcastic.
I don't think we should even contemplate a trip to Mars until we have some form of permanent Lunar colony in place. Much could be learned from that.
Great job, Joe! I’m really glad you included the footage of the arrival teams extracting the helpless astronauts/cosmonauts like big puffy babies. I’ve been waiting for someone to connect that to the lack of “labor/delivery” teams on Mars.👍🏽
0:48 p diddy joke did not age well
It indeed didnt lmao
Thanks for this informative video. I cancelled my trip to Mars. I am now planning a visit to Venus.
Finally someone said it. Thanks joe...great episode.
Well, I guess I can scrap my garage-built Mars mission. Time to take up crochet. Thanks, Joe.
Copenhagen Suborbitals copenhagensuborbitals.com
Maybe crochet a rocket?
Diddy reference, didnt age well… pun intended
I've made a career in the astronomy and cosmology field as well as other related sciences and I gotta be honest, going to Mars anytime soon is a stupid idea. It makes no logical sense whatsoever to even consider going when we haven't even established a permanent base or settlement on the moon. It's easy to picture and fantasize how such an amazing trip would be, and of course many people will be quick to point out that we went to the moon in less than ten years after the idea was conceived by NASA and JFK but the reality is that there's no similarities or caparisons to the level of difficulty a journey to mars will bring. The main big problem(even though the entire trip is going to bring endless problems) is the radiation and the extremely cold/frigid conditions that no place on earth could be compared to, including Antarctica. Unless the martian base was deep(VERY DEEP) underground, the people living on Mars would only be able to go outside of their contained and pressurized building for just one to two hours a day. Any minute longer would increase the risk of cancer which would already be at dangerous levels just from there alone.
with you there, I honestly just don't get it. Its just a prestige race because the moon is already 'done'. Not getting off this rock anytime soon when progress is more about who's got the biggest john thomas..
I agree AJ - our best idea would be to wait until we can Terra-form Mars first.
If Mars had air to breathe & nice rivers of flowing water we would
have been there already in the 1980s.
Also - the best idea to get to Mars would be to use the ISS as a space vehicle.
We'd have to attach rockets to it - supply the fuel &
fire it towards Mars with astronauts in it.
Why? - because it's the only permanent space base that we have.
It could orbit Mars instead of Earth.
We could also improve it by adding more shielding from cosmic rays
& make it much larger to include extra room for more supplies
and anything else that was needed.
I understand that hitting that golf ball don't know how far on the moon, got us permanently kicked off, the fallen angels devils and their spawn live there, and could have been seriously injured if hit with the ball, They told NASA, "If you send some people up here, you won't get them back" and that's why we've never gone back!!!!
We need a bigger ship, with an enclosed ecosystem, adequate radiation shielding, centrifugal gravity, adequate propulsion. I am imagining a babylon 5 size ship.
emancoy that’s the needs, but a ship wouldn’t hold a sustainable size of what you said to be in shape to fly. These things require a massive bio planet that doesn’t move
Build a habitat with robots first on Mars.
autohmae that is the actual goal for both the moon and mars, robots that build the entire habitat and we go maintain and live there
@emancoy This is possibly very close to an adequate answer for long-term space trips in our solar system. Very good comment !
Once you do that you basically just constructed in O'Neill cylinder and you're better off just living on and constructing more of those than trying to live on Mars.
You're not being negative, you're being realistic and logical.
Yes. Most people can't tell the difference between pessimism and realism.
I have always wondered if it was possible to create artificial gravity by tethering two ships together, and flying in a double helix pattern, while maintaining overall trajectory.
I believe the problem with artificial gravity created by spin is that it would require a very large system with a pretty large radius otherwise , since the artificial « gravity » becomes weaker when you get closer to the center of rotation , when standing up your head would be closer to the center and experience much less « gravity » than your feet unless the distance to the center of rotation is much greater (like 100+ meters) though I guess you could make the tether system longer .
@@Foxintox good point but I don't think that really impacts the two tethered ships idea. In fact it supports the idea more than a single spinning ship, because the distance you'd require could be achieved by simply having a longer tether. Also, our bodies already kind of work like that anyway, because on earth, your head has more inertia than your feet, and we have pressure suits to mitigate the blood flow racing to the feet.
Keith Barrett
It is possible and that would be the best way to do it.
Then, you would need effective shielding against cosmic rays.
If you could provide those two conditions, the trip would have no adverse physical effects.
Once on Mars, you'd only have to worry about the radiation shielding.
And the relentless boredom of living in a landscape that hasn't changed in millions of years - where nothing ever seems to happen.
Me, I'd rather stay here on Earth. For one thing, my body has evolved to live in this environment and, for another, it's the most dynamic planet in the Solar System.
yes
@Anthony Clegg no
People really weren’t meant to survive that long falling
You are depressingly pessimistic and yet sadly depressingly accurate lol.
Not at all. It sounds like he hasn't even read Zubrin's Mars Direct plan, so he's stupidly pessimistic.
I think Joe needs to spend more time thinking about WHY to die instead of HOW to die.
@@TrapperBV A ship is safe at harbor. But sitting at harbor isn't what ships are *for*.
Joe needs to watch Fight Club.
“It’s only after you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”
There’s much more to life than dying slower than everyone else.
Half right read mars direct
"Scariest Environment Imaginable. Thanks -That's all you gotta say. Scariest Environment Imaginable"
--Owen Wilson in Armageddon
Haha! You're right. Perfect quote for this :)
Like Dr Seuss nightmare
For nearly 40 years I have been advocating a form of rocket propulsion that can radically shorten the trip to Mars without requiring much in the way of tech development or cost: solar thermal rocket propulsion. STP uses sunlight to directly heat a propellant , usually hydrogen, and has demonstrated over 1000 seconds Isp. At the annual Space Congress in Cocoa where I presented a paper on the subject back in 85; I was told it would not be developed because "it doesn't cost enough". The solar concentrator can also be used for power using PV for concentrated sunlight which has efficiency over 40% and more than an order of magnitude better specific power than current space solar PV. This allows thermal to be used in a series of perigee thrusts to escape and then switch to electric propulsion. Trip times are faster than nuclear thermal for a very tiny fraction of the cost.
Im wondering if someone done any research into that independently. Surely these days ideas are much more likely to gain traction.
So, you explained why the Government and Big Aerospace weren't interested; did SpaceX say why they weren't interested in it?
What are the disadvantages?
If accurate, then approach private enterprise, for whom, unlike government, 'costs too much' is the issue. I'm sure you'd find an appreciative ear at one of the private space start-ups.
@@pyerack This reason sounds plausible. Up to about 10 years ago, whenever there were two options to choose from in American space program, the criterion was simple: one that costs more. The codeword was "advancing the technology". But with massive commercial satellite constellations the equation has changed: not low cost is the king.
My take on Mars mission:
A) Time, one launch window every two years. That means very little chance to launch, as well as going over delays and issues. It would take over a decade at the very least to build the base and have it ready. Bearing in mind that’s only 5 launch windows.
B) Cost, how much do you reckon it would cost to have 10s of launch of robots, parts and materials shipped to Mars. That before the mission can even go. Just one budget cut or setback and the project is over.
C) What is the point of going to Mars, it’s deadly, toxic and extremely dangerous. Some say “research”, we already have rovers so why do we need to send people. Think of the other places we could send rovers and the advancement in technology we could get from extra funding which would benefit us all in countless ways and have the opportunity to explore moons on the gas giants or tunnels on Mars. We don’t need to send people, people who will sit around, wander a desert, then die of cancer or cardiovascular disease. I just don’t see the reason to go?
You are the first person who really makes me not want to go to mars. And I love you for that disillusion!
It would be an amazing experience..... if you could get there and return relatively quickly and safely.
Right now, we don't have the technology to do that.
To stay there..... why?
Who would want to do that?
It's a frozen, radiation filled desert - hostile to our form of life. No rivers, no seas, no waterfalls, no forests, no grass.
The harshest places on Earth (center of the Sahara, center of Antarctica) are much more hospitable than Mars, and I don't see people lining up to go to these places.
It would be a very boring and very short life.
Yes, the idea of stepping out onto Mars is quite appealing. Doing it in reality, using the technology we currently have... no thanks!
@@antonystringfellow5152 And why do you folks think that everyone has personal comfort as a factor? In a world of billions, you can bet your ass that you can find people willing to go even if meant certain death 5 minutes after they step out of the rocket on Mars. It might not be for you, but don't use your standards for everyone.
And we don't have to go to that extreme. There are many people who wouldn't mind living in 3m^2 of space for months, even years. Sure, there are not many of those, but again, in a world of billions, you can bet your ass you can find a couple hundred thousand.
Also, there are many people who completely disregard their well being and happiness - they are content by simply working, finishing one task after the other. Sure, they might not be the life of the party and do not fall under the usual category of "normal", but there are probably millions of those people out there. Just content that there is something to do and that they contribute - regardless of the personal cost.
The reason you don't see people lining up to go and live in Sahara, or Antarctic (actually, I'd like to go and live on Antarctic - but it is not allowed) is because, unlike Mars, you would not get the supporting project, even if you work your ass off. Martian base would require a lot of work from the individual and no comfort. But there is a purpose to it - and purpose is what drives people to do things. Take a man having all the comfort but take away a purpose, and you've got nothing. Life not worth living. And you can take away every single comfort and source of happiness but have people infused with purpose, and you will succeed. Boring? Short? Who cares? You? Well, there are people who don't care.
So the whole argument is completely pointless as it comes from a certain perspective. Mostly hedonistic. Some people just don't care.
One version of it you see in war - people who don't care about comfort, or life, and don't find themselves outside of the war, quite content with living on the front until the end, when ever it may come. Again, there are not many of those, but there are such people. So just because it is "No, thanks!" to you, it does not mean that it is "No, thanks!" for every human being on this planet.
Really? It took this to wake you up to reality?
i'd rather figure out ways to fix this planet, it was a good one
I would bet that it would be easier to terraform Earth than Mars...
If you have the technology to terraform Mars then you already have the technology to fix Earth. You might lack the political will.
@@CarFreeSegnitz We already do, it's just no one is willing to do what it takes.
@@killcat1971 Doing what it takes is incompatible with a democratic system.
@@killcat1971 What is needed as far as earth is a huge decrease in the population. Good luck figuring out how to do that. China is giving that a shot or they are just trying to slow down population growth. They do it in very barbaric ways. Let's say you could achieve a world population decline of 1% a year year over year. Many problems would freeze or start to go away. First problem you would have is a lopsided population with more people being elderly and net takers who don't produce much of anything. Just one of many problems so I don't see population control happening.
About the gravity problem: a long journey with artificial gravity that corresponds to Mars´s gravity can do the trick. The travel back home could be adjusted to the artificial gravity inside the ship that corresponds to Earth´s gravity instead. Of course, the adjusting process is gradual, but it could work.
Yea, it would be a similar to how divers adjust for the pressure differences while diving deep and returning to the surface.
We just have to build the largest, by an order of magnitude, largest spacecraft we've ever made.
And then it has to be strong enough to be spun up to 1G.
@@MostlyPennyCat You don't need a "Battlestar Galactica" to get artificial gravity. Read the "Case for Mars" by Dr. Robert Zubrin.
@@lanebowles2860
I think the Galactica might be more that one order of magnitude.
You need 40m diameter minimum spun for 1G.
I believe it's spun at 4 rpm.
The Apollo spacecraft was 4m by about 20m
So one order of magnitude larger would be 40m by about 200m.
Which sounds about right.
It's also bloody massive.
(Galactica is 766m long, 537m wide and 183m high, maybe Elon will build his that big)
@@MostlyPennyCat I believe you misunderstood me when I refer to a "Battlestar Galactica". A "Battlestar Galactica" is a disparaging term for any oversized, over-engineered, and outrageously expensive ship thought (or better said "advertised") to be essential for any manned mission to Mars, see NASA's so called 90 day report from 1989. Such ships have been continuously criticized by Dr. Robert Zubrin for literally 30 years!
"So you want to go to mars do you?"
Shows "Moon" clip art that he tinted red.
My brain implodes.
*Joe:* makes a powerful and well researched case for why humans going to Mars is unlikely to happen any time soon.
*Dunning-Kruger idiots:* "Hey, that picture is a red moon, not Mars!"
It's a moon during a lunar eclipse, not a Photoshopped red moon.
ProgHead777 ... Repeatedly showing the Moon and going on about Mars. It's as grating as someone delivering a JFK biography but constantly displaying a picture of Lincoln.
I totally agree with your first video and I totally agree with you with this video😁😁😁
I guess u have never heard of mars direct
@@idapike4166 - Zubrin's proposals are quite interesting. Two are obvious . . . send robots to build habitats and a "factory" to tear CO2 apart into carbon monoxide (fuel) and oxygen (oxidizer) for the return rocket.
@Michael Meredith - and Joe did a reply to his first: _5 Reasons Going To Mars Is An AWESOME Idea | Answers With Counterargument Joe_
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But Joe, Cosmic rays is how we get super powers!
P Diddy reference. Oh how the times have changed
Come to Mars, they said...
It'll be nice, they said...
Here we are planning on a Mars trip when we haven't landed on the moon for almost 50 years? Huston, we have a problem.
Test your theory
Maybe we didn't go to the moon.
@@johnhebert2757
That's my theory
John Hebert loool stfu flat earthers
Never went to the moon.
Could You REALLY Survive A Trip To Mars?
Not if Doomguy shoots a hole through it
Scientific facts shoots Big Holes in it. Pay attention.
@Friday Goood That's a Doom Eternal reference
Cry more
I appreciate the skepticism. Everybody else seems blind to all the potential flaws and describe the future missions as if they were describing a fantasy.
11:35
Me: "2 deg C, well that's not terrible, I can build a..."
Joe: "In the same day."
Me: "..."
I’m ready.
I used to risk my life for a paycheck. I would defiantly go to mars.
What’s the success rate for Everest summits? There’s a line up every year. And that’s just to go on a long walk. The line would be a hundred times longer if humanity was actually trying to DO something up there.
I’m not saying it’s smart. It’s purposeful.
Think about what you’re choosing just to live long and grow old. Forget everything you ever did, have your liver slowly poison you, cancer, slow respiratory failure, crippling arthritis.
Dying for something you believe in is what got us here, I’m kinda shocked how many people cut that down.
@@CarFreeSegnitz I don't think so. There's certainly a significant risk in anything related to space, but Mars would be a lot safer health wise than the ISS, with a bit of preparation and some redundancy built into the mission. The risks are just in the new systems we'd be building, we'd try to test them we'll in advance and of course there's always a risk something goes wrong.
Trapper V
Yes, that is what the great human explorers said that sailed out on uncharted oceans just to expand human knowledge of their planet. Yes, obviously they were just looking for ways to commit suicide and should have stayed in port or in sight of land at all times.
For me it would be that mission of discovery, and exploration. Some have this, some stay in port.
Bear lemley I think this video and the majority of the viewers simply don’t understand why anyone would participate in a mission like this and I don’t feel it’s given its level of respect. There are men who volunteered to get irradiated to initially contain Chernobyl reactor.
We get it people, you wanna grow old and die in a white hospital room, don’t assume that’s everybody. There’s more to life than being the slowest to die.
Focus on AI and self-learning machines > send dem to da Mars.
Until we don't start building artificial habitats in space, there's no way.
@@pyerack This.
I'll volunteer to be an AI. Transitioning from human to a pure inorganic form is my dream.
I'll go to Mars then!
Then they become self aware and decide Mars is theirs and that they are tired of being our slaves and decide to build more of themselves to wage war on the human race.....
@@dustinchambers4172 Glory to the Omnissiah!
@@wizardtim8573 glad im not the only one...
They'll take over mars then :c
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams.
So Doomguy is actually a normal dude who got paranoia and schizofrenia after prolonged exposure to cosmic radiation on Mars.
Dude just keeps killing other crewmen. Got it.
Micheal Bay's space dementia
We need some sort of artificial gravity and better radiation protection or Joe is 100% correct.
Rotational gravity and water tanks.
Fusion engine that generates minimum 1/3 of a G with a flip over half way (a la The Expanse) and 1/3 G slowing down to Mars. Leaves you ready for Mars gravity and gives you time to acclimatize. Boost the G's on the way back to prepare for Earth. Needs hydrogen fuel which can be stored in the walls and is a great radiation shield. Learned from Isaac Arthur. Oh yeah we don't have a fusion drive. Come on scientists!
Zephyr is right. Spin-Gravity and a layer of Water between you and the outer hull of the ship will do.
Fusion Rockets would be nice, but we don't have them yet (and won't have them for another 20 to 30 years, assuming - very optimistically - that the first viable fusion reactor will not be the ITER but a privately build one, that might get constructed siginificantly earlier than 2050).
I think the gravity on Mars is a good thing. It should be enough to sort out your body but not strain it. The radiation might be unsolvable. Living underground the entire time isn't a solution.
@@Jordan-Ramses going to need to be outside exploring without dying from radiation. Which means drones not human. Seems most likely the Humans underground will simply be sent to control the drones in real time rather than the delay from earth. Even that means deadly radiation by cumulative effects.
Thanks for that Joe - think l'll just go and unpack my bags!
I’ve always thought a potential way to help travelers deal with zero g’s would be to have a rotational gravity situation, but only while the people are sleeping. So instead of being vertical with a big difference of gravity in head v feet, it is a little more even over your body (back/ chest) plus, you don’t move a ton when sleeping so that would be a benefit, too. Of course the contant change of 1g and zero g could bring up a whole different slew of problems but really just thinking out loud here.
Dude this is the most informational and honest video I have watched in this year. Thanks it was awesome
No. I want to go to Ganymedes. And establish the Jovian system republic.
Expanse
Callisto is outside the Jovian radiation belts. You want Callisto.
“We choose to go to the moon not because it's easy, but because it's hard” JFK
More like, "We choose to go to the moon, not because it's easy, but because we can't let Russia get there first." 😂
Jackie Johnson fair point! you made it much clearer and accurate ☺️
I learned not long ago that Kennedy was going to cancel the moon missions but got assassinated before he could, and Johnson then couldn't cancel it and save any face, had to go through with it.
@Doomguy. I didn't know that. Do you have a source? Sounds like the difference between "Profiles in Courage" (JFK) and failure in courage (LBJ).
Don’t you mean the moon studio ??
I genuinely like your reality based approaches to questions. I un a small engineering firm and we have solved some problems which have been seen as impossible with this approach, most notably have a car in the henry Ford that did EPA certified (2010 protocol) 109 MPG burning gasoline. I thank you for these videos. If we look at all problems with reality instead of spin and guessing imagine what would be possible.... have a good day.
So I'm happy to announce I've been offered to be the first man to go to the sun. I'm only going to be able to stay on the surface for two days due to budget cuts with the space program. I do look forward to sharing the experience with the world. I will be having a live Q&A on my channel soon. Everyone is welcome to join. :-p
0:49 it’s a Notorious BIG song, not P. Diddy. My rap radar just couldn’t let it go...... otherwise great video! Lol
I don't know what they want from me
It's like the more miles we come across
The more problems we see
If you just go. Then all those things are true. But if you stockpile your supplies and raw materials on Mars and had robots build shelters in advance. Then you build a huge ship with centrifuge and magnetic shield. The ship is assembled and supplied in orbit. I could imagine it happening. Just don't put Musk in charge. He's a fraud.
“Mo Miles, Mo Problems. -P Diddy”
Joe Scott, 2019
Ryan P, 2019
Tactical Jackson, 2019
WindnWater, 2019
terrificFrogg, August 2019
Damn that P Diddy joke doesn't land so great anymore 😅
hahah i thought the same thing
So in other words going to Mars has about as many obstacles as starting an acting career or getting in and out of the DMV in less than an hour. :)
What's a DMV?
The Sun seeing a manned craft going to Mars: "Did I fire six coronal mass ejections or only five? Do you feel lucky? Well, do you punks?" :-)
Yeah, they would likely need to wait for a solar minimum, a huge majority of Americans are totally oblivious to the hazards of my favorite nuclear reactor, recently realized that millions of Americans sport radiation burns from direct exposure with very few aware of what sort of mess we would be in with the next Carrington event, we'll like lose the GPS system and a lot of people couldn't find there way across town without any it anymore.
See? that's why we need to learn how to generate our own magnetic fields . We already know how to do it in a basic way. But for a human to be protected in deep space, we're going to have to do it larger . The earth has it's own magnetic field that protects us, but do you understand how much energy is needed to produce a magnetic field like that? We haven't learned how to do such things at will yet, key word, yet.
@@jeffreymcgillivray5408 A magnetic metal passing near a conductor generates a magnetic field right? An orbital ring may be able to accomplish that.
It’s just going to take time to solve all the problems, and obviously Elon was talking out his ass on the timetable.
I think he just doesn't care about a lot of those. 20% survival rate? Woohoo
He's either nuts or a con man. Or both.
Honestly, Elon does that way too often.
Revisiting this Joe vid. One thing Joe should mention is the cold. Although the equatorial plains can sometimes rise just cozily above freezing during the day, at night the temperature drops massively. Thi is not unlike some deserts on earth. This continuous "freeze and thaw" cycle could have a very wearing effect on structures and equipment. One thing we have learned from the rovers is that cold can make things very brittle. But the rovers have an advantage of not needing air. Humans need air which has water molecules in it. The moment they step outside on Mars, it will appear the astronauts are steaming as the outerwear begins to frost. Frost will be a problem to overcome of entering and exiting the shelter.
Nice video - well researched cheers. Yes, I think almost everyone that ends up going to Mars will regret it I think for all the sickness and loneliness and desolation there...that's if they survive the trip back which I would say most wont...at least initially. We were made to be on this planet - its obvious...
That's a bad idea.
We were made to be on this planet because we developed on this planet.
I'm fine with the straight up talk. Need it for working on real solutions. 😊 Thanks for the great video Joe! 😁👍🚀
He ignores the solutions we have already
@@idapike4166 like name them ... everybody is listening.
A solution to the no gravity problems would be artificial gravity through centrifugal force. There are currently plans to put a giant centrifuge into orbit right now and we can apply the lessons we learn from that to send one to Mars! Hopefully... it's kind of worrying that neither NASA nor SpaceX are very vocal about centrifuge gravity but idk it's a solution.
Also I figure if heavy water is enough to shield everyone from nuclear reactors they should be considered for protection from cosmic radiation.
I know there are a million holes that need to be filled in those solutions but'cha gotta start somewhere I guess.
@@idapike4166 solutions that are untested AND full of theory.
I like your Show very much, you 're getting better and better. Keep up 👍
People: "mars is difficult "
Crew: "Yes"
People: "You still want to go there? "
Crew: "Yes"
People: "Why"
Crew: "Yes"
people don't care that it's difficult cause it's about the excitement, and that excitement is the greatest cause of insanity because it becomes obsession
@@keithscommunityanddomestic9513 Yes.
Lol
Since we know the trajectory, what's stopping us from situating prelaunch docks every 1/3 of the way? With that astronauts can just restock on fuel and supplies during an emergency along the path.
Good thinking, but the nearest obvious dock for both Mars and and Earth would be Earth's moon. Another more or less feasible dock would be the Lagrange point between Earth and Mars. But, as for any artificial dock, this point is a stable position between Mars and Earth since the angular velocities of Mars and Earth w.r.t. the sun are far from identical. Possible, but each artificial dock would need to have a propulsion system of its own and hence need to be refuelled frequently.
That would be incredibly difficult. Maybe impossible.