The WW2 Plane with the Most Bizarre Killing Technique

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  • As the Battle of Britain raged in the skies above the English Channel throughout the Summer and Fall of 1940, RAF Pilot Officer D.H. “Nobby” Clarke was ready to play his part in fighting off the Nazi invasion of his homeland, the last Allied hope in Europe. Day after day, British Hurricanes and Spitfires bravely dueled with German Messerschmitt Bf 109s, but Pilot Officer Clarke, prepared to serve King and country, was given a different kind of mission in a very different kind of aircraft.
    At 5:30pm on September 26, Clarke was already airborne in his unwieldy Blackburn Roc, which had shown itself to be ineffective as a fighter but made for a trusty search and rescue aircraft, when he received a report of British airmen being shot down off the coast of the Isle of Wight. With intrepid gunner Sergeant Hunt in tow, Clarke bounded towards the search area, determined to arrive on time to rescue his countrymen from the chilly waters below.
    Arriving on the scene, the pair desperately scanned the ocean for survivors, their eyes straining against the rapidly encroaching darkness. 45 minutes passed, with no luck. The only other sign of life was the faint outline of a friendly Swordfish seaplane in the distance, probably engaged in a similar search and rescue mission.
    But as the two aircraft drew nearer, Clarke noticed something was amiss. The size, the markings-it just didn't add up. Going in for a closer look, his suspicions were confirmed: they had stumbled upon a German Heinkel He 59 seaplane, out to save its own downed comrades.
    Clarke’s awkward and slow-moving Roc was all he had, and he was about to put it to the test in what would become one of World War 2’s most bizarre showdowns.
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  • @eddiebruv
    @eddiebruv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    I’m highly sceptical of the claim that these aircraft carried out bombing missions in 1946. They were slow, but not THAT slow! 😂

    • @lancerevell5979
      @lancerevell5979 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      1946? A year after war's end!? 😮

    • @TRHARTAmericanArtist
      @TRHARTAmericanArtist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I caught that too but figured Nah, I heard it wrong. 😆

    • @thewatcher5271
      @thewatcher5271 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, He's One Of Those A**holes Who Deliberately Does That To Increase The Comment Count.

    • @kevinohalloran7164
      @kevinohalloran7164 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @eddiebruv Yes, at approx 8:02 the voice says, "June 1946."

    • @steverichardson6920
      @steverichardson6920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They left on the mission before the war in Europe finished but couldn’t be called back 🤷🏼 entirely plausible………….

  • @daveanderson3805
    @daveanderson3805 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The Roc could have been the world's best fighter. If only they had thought of it back in 1918

    • @chrismayer3919
      @chrismayer3919 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I admit, I never heard of the Roc…

  • @eddiebruv
    @eddiebruv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    How many incorrect aircraft types can YOU see in this video? 😂

    • @stuarthannay3370
      @stuarthannay3370 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I spotted a Pterodactyl, a Tie fighter, Icarus, Superman and Airwolf amongst the footage

    • @HorsleyLandy88
      @HorsleyLandy88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I thought it was a competition, spot the wrong aeroplane :)

    • @ninjalanternshark1508
      @ninjalanternshark1508 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Video editing and proofreading is not one of Dark Skies strengths

    • @pete1250a
      @pete1250a 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Hurricane, Defiant, Vulcan, wheelbarrow, no.122 bus to Lewisham, ham sandwich, Marilyn Monroe...

    • @frostyfrost4094
      @frostyfrost4094 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Well after seeing the Mustang I gave up

  • @RICHARDSIMMONS.tRICKy
    @RICHARDSIMMONS.tRICKy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The Blackburne Roc, the Boulton-Paul Defiant and other "upward firing" aircraft were a product of early thirties design, when engine power was quite limited, and interception times, to altitude, were quite abysmal. The bombers would be landing back at base by the time challengers could rise to confront (Zeppelin days?), so, we fire upwards! The Germans ended up using the same technique themselves, no turrets, before the party was over! Can't recall if the pilots here had access to guns also, if not, how frustrating, having to maneuver the aircraft for another to shoot with these turreted ones! tRICKy!

    • @philiphumphrey1548
      @philiphumphrey1548 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      IIRC the upward firing cannons in a German night fighter were activated by the pilot using a clever optical device to aim.

  • @WarblesOnALot
    @WarblesOnALot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    G'day,
    You got the Bristol Fighter & Hawker Hart & Demon backwards.
    The RFC tried to fly the Brisfit to use the Rear-Gunner offensively and they were shot to ribbons of bleeding burning mincemeat.
    So they started flying it as a fixed Forward-firing Fighter - with a Rear-Gunner to protect against attack from behind ; and the Bristol F-2b then BEGAN to be known as the
    Bristol Fighter.., because that worked.
    The Hart & Demon were
    Light Day Reconnaissance Bombers, with a Vickers K- Gun on a Scarff Mounting on the Observer/Gunner's Cockpit.
    The Blackburn Roc was a Royal Naval Fleet Air Arm copy of a Boulton & Paul Defiant...
    Much as a Fairey Fulmar was actually only a Fairey Battle with a retractable Tailhook retrofitted & bolted on ; under it's Bumfeathers...
    Such is life,
    Have a good one...
    Stay safe.
    ;-p
    Ciao !

  • @ronaldfinkelstein6335
    @ronaldfinkelstein6335 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Turret fighters were rather useless in real combat. On o9ccasion they scored kills of fighters who didn't realize the turret was there. But once the German pilots recognized them, they'd approach from behind and BELOW, and shoot them down. Also, the turret fighters had very poor performance...most Luftwaffe bombers could run away from the Roc.

    • @Phaaschh
      @Phaaschh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Someone on a bicycle could probably do the same.

    • @derkylos
      @derkylos 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Defiants were moved away from the South of England precisely because of their vulnerability to single seat fighters. Fortuitously for them, this coincided with Norway-based Luftwaffe units conducting an unescorted raid on Northern England for which the Heinkels even removed the majority of their defensive guns, as they were expecting to encounter no RAF fighters, thinking they were all tied up in the South. Encountering mostly unarmed, unescorted bombers, the Defiants scored a record number of kills in that single raid...their only real moment of glory in the entire war.

  • @ronaldfinkelstein6335
    @ronaldfinkelstein6335 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    Does anyone else feel a bit uneasy, at the thought of two SEARCH AND RESCUE aircraft about to try to KILL each other, before they try to do their rescuing. I have read that the RAF considered German SAR aircraft fair game. But to my mind, it seems like shooting at medics!

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      The German crews had a habit of shooting British pilots. Aircraft were easier to replace than pilots

    • @lancerevell5979
      @lancerevell5979 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      No honor. 😮

    • @sharzadgabbai4408
      @sharzadgabbai4408 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Do share your service record

    • @vincedibona4687
      @vincedibona4687 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @sharzadgabbai4408 Nice.

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      War is hell. In 1940 the German SAR were also spotting convoys etc.

  • @JonCarter-i3k
    @JonCarter-i3k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The Limeys knew how to sometimes make unbelievably hideous looking aircraft.

    • @patrickporter1864
      @patrickporter1864 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You should see some of the French ones.

    • @GeoffTV2
      @GeoffTV2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      After the war, those same guys worked in our car manufacturing industry.

    • @gryph01
      @gryph01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂

    • @JonCarter-i3k
      @JonCarter-i3k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@patrickporter1864 ... if they were as hideous as FROG 🐸 cars from the '50s ... they must have been fugly as a dog turd.

    • @PaulG.x
      @PaulG.x 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They make hideous cars too - the D Type Jaguar for example

  • @proteusnz99
    @proteusnz99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If the Roc ever killed anything I’d have thought it would have needed a mid-collision. Slow and underpowered, there was even a version on floats, which would have had trouble getting out of its own way. The turret fighter concept was trying to refight the previous war. Interestingly, despite Air Ministry advancing the No-allowance shooting concept, they rejected the evidence that the Luftwaffe was shooting from beneath RAF bombers (‘Schräge Musik’, [slanting music, slang for jazz], two cannon pointing up at about 80 degrees ) which achieved the same thing without the unnecessary weight of a traversing turret.

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Whatever works with whatever you got.

  • @Codsallkendo
    @Codsallkendo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    These were built at Boulton Paul Aircraft in Wolverhampton as they also built the Defiant.

  • @markymark3572
    @markymark3572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The 196 mph fighter😂😂

  • @jameskelly2559
    @jameskelly2559 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Roc/Defiant..the misidentified 'Swordfish'. I know there is not a lot of footage of the Roc, but at least mention you are using footage of other planes. Otherwise, a good documentary, well done.

  • @Mrch33ky
    @Mrch33ky 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for this Airplane History Tabloid Channel.

  • @paulqueripel3493
    @paulqueripel3493 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    5:07, Blackburn were designing the Roc in the west midlands? Really? They didn't have anything in the area. According to Wikipedia, Bolton Paul designed it for them, in Wolverhampton.

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Blackburn were at Brough, near Hull.

  • @TomPrickVixen
    @TomPrickVixen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In other words; it failed to kill a relic biplane bomber, on several minutes of broadside....

  • @dionisiohug
    @dionisiohug 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Total crap like many of the planes this company made. My father was a royal navy pilot and nobody wanted to fly it. Its was a flying coffin

  • @TorquilBletchleySmythe
    @TorquilBletchleySmythe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Roc didn't have a killing technique, unless it was its ability to ferry its hapless occupants to harm's way.

  • @mauricio-wq5lu
    @mauricio-wq5lu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Designation shooting is still needed, even for current lasers.

    • @MrOlgrumpy
      @MrOlgrumpy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Deflection is the word you are seeking

  • @alexstephens3765
    @alexstephens3765 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Until Hurricaines took off from and landed on an aircraft carrier, the prevailing thought was that high performance aircraft could operate at sea.

  • @KABModels
    @KABModels 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    turrett fighters wouldnt have been the shit show they were had they have had forward firing guns

    • @johnfisk811
      @johnfisk811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With a suitable sight the turret guns, aimed above the propellor and firing forwards could act as fixed forward firing guns by use of the no deflection technique whereby the sight allows for the fall of the shot as it flies towards the target. It was a successfully trialled technique by the RAF but never put to use despite the Defiant, at least, having a setting to fix the turret thus and the pilot provided with a gun firing option. The turret fighter was based upon the assumption that German bombers would have to fly from German bases and their fighters did not have the range to escort them. The turret allowed for extended firing times at the target, not the fleeting pass of fixed forward firing guns. It made sense at the time. No one expected France to fall. The reason for putting it on a Skua airframe to make the Roc and not Defiant was down to speed of entry into service and commonality with the strike Skuas on board ship. Essentially the same airframe and power plant so easing spares and maintenance. The Roc was a useful dive bomber though and active over France alongside the Swordfish, Albacores, Skuas and Hectors. The part played in the defence of Dunkirk by British dive bombers is rarely mentioned just as the the tactical bombing by Lysanders is hardly heard of. Even the Roc carried the same bomb load as the later ‘Hurribomber’ and could place them more accurately. Still an abysmally slow device nevertheless.

  • @stl3414
    @stl3414 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This would be a far different story If someone waggled their wings to signal no ill intent and point to the waters so both can go rescue their own men from drowning.

  • @eriku571
    @eriku571 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How do bullets float?

  • @robertblake9892
    @robertblake9892 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like so many. things, sounded great in theory, let the pilot fly the plane, let the gunner so the shooting. IIRC both the Defiant and the Roc were underpowered and not as maneuverable.
    The Germans came up with "Schrage Musik"-"Jazz Music" for their night fighters-Me110, e.g.
    Guns were angled so the pilot could approach a bomber from below.

  • @DAVIDSMITH-xs8bx
    @DAVIDSMITH-xs8bx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bits of Lockheed Hudson turret, Westland Lysanders, Fairey Fulmar & Hurricane cockpits, historical footage needs to be accurate.

  • @jonathansteadman7935
    @jonathansteadman7935 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's pronounced 'skewer' named after the Skua sea bird, as was the Roc.

    • @philipbahr7410
      @philipbahr7410 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Never heard the bird pronounced that way😂

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have now. @@philipbahr7410

    • @kimvibk9242
      @kimvibk9242 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also, the German plane was a Heinkel (think of Heineken), not a Hinkel.

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have now. @@philipbahr7410

  • @herauthon
    @herauthon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so a SAR is going to fight a SAR - effectively not being able to rescue people..

  • @532bluepeter
    @532bluepeter 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Allies? I'm afraid the Doughboy was still not participating.

    • @nightjarflying
      @nightjarflying 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There were other allies involved in September 1940.

    • @532bluepeter
      @532bluepeter 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nightjarflying the commonwealth troop contributions?

  • @alexhayden2303
    @alexhayden2303 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Poor old Detling is now a housing estate/industrial estate. A sad end.
    I had a close encounter with the only Lysander that I have ever seen!

  • @chrisomalley50
    @chrisomalley50 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A bit pedantic, I know, but these things are important:
    1. NOT a Hinkel, but a Heinkel.
    2. Part of your footage is also NOT a ROC but a Lysander. Pay attention!

  • @LordEvan5
    @LordEvan5 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've always loved turret fighters always reminds of some plane from Tailspin chasing around the SeaDuck

  • @wabiforth6755
    @wabiforth6755 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ot is my feeling that you need to re-edit the clip as the order is a bit strange.

  • @SatiriCus-Doc-GermaniCus
    @SatiriCus-Doc-GermaniCus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    German text? WOW!
    But: metric units of measurement, at least as a text overlay would be great!

  • @RemusKingOfRome
    @RemusKingOfRome 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why didn't the Navy just use Defiants ? modified for carrier use ? far sleeker, far faster. Roc was just so archaic.

  • @tinaann3323
    @tinaann3323 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect delivery! Great content!

  • @starpilot101
    @starpilot101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Okay but like why only a turret and no forward guns? Couldn't they fit 2 - 4 .303 machine guns anywhere in the wings or nose? How did nobody invent a P-61 like turret/schrage musik interceptor earlier.

  • @jimking8391
    @jimking8391 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don’t knock the Roc, y’all 😉

  • @gryph01
    @gryph01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dark skies. Why do you keep showing a Lysander?

    • @ericthemauve
      @ericthemauve 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because he knows sweet fa about his subject matter.

  • @localcrew
    @localcrew 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can smell what the Rock is cooking.

  • @Frankie5Angels150
    @Frankie5Angels150 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Brits: Let’s call it a Rock and then expect it to fly!
    The rest of the world: 🦗 🦗

    • @patrickporter1864
      @patrickporter1864 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Arabian nights, folks. Sinbad the sailor stories ring any bells. Roc was a monster eagle.

  • @PORRRIDGE_GUN
    @PORRRIDGE_GUN 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He59s were fair game if mine laying or on reconnaissance but when employed as SAR, they were usually painted white and had red cross markings.

    • @lomax343
      @lomax343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even unarmed and with red cross markings (and rescuing men of both sides impartially), He 59s were routinely shot up by RAF fighters. The Germans were very angry about this.

  • @johannesfeigl5309
    @johannesfeigl5309 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The germans got wise ro the defifantsand they were shot down in drovesand eventually withdrawn from service😮

    • @covertcounsellor6797
      @covertcounsellor6797 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Luftwaffe were not, and are not, stupid.

  • @gregd100
    @gregd100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ROC was an SBD Dauntless with a more powerful, enclosed rear gunner position, but without the bomb load and the dive breaks.

  • @Bryan_Master_Blaster
    @Bryan_Master_Blaster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, did anyone ever actually look for downed pilots?

  • @pete1250a
    @pete1250a 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hinkle?

    • @MrOlgrumpy
      @MrOlgrumpy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Herr Hinkle,ask Charlie Chaplin

  • @jackywhite880
    @jackywhite880 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It isn't emphasised enough in current day accounts of the Battle of Britain that so many pilots weren't equipped with Spitfires or Hurricanes. They threw EVERYTHING up there - no reserves.
    70 years ago, at the age of 10, I made a scratch balsa model of the Roc, using the "Spotters Book of Aircraft" and a home-made scale rule. Loved the look,of that aircraft. And the Skua. And, of course, the Stringbag. And...

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The guns don't get more accurate when you turn it to the side. The gunner is just better at leading the target

    • @exxbootneck
      @exxbootneck 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hahaha but don't all gangstas turn their guns on their sides?

  • @ba9atman
    @ba9atman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jeez! I thought this channel couldn't get any worse, but this melange of inaccurate information and incorrect images really plumbs the depths.

    • @daryllloyd4144
      @daryllloyd4144 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As images and footage of actual events are not always available, Dark Skies sometimes utilizes similar historical images and footage for dramatic effect and soundtracks for emotional impact. We do our best to keep it as visually accurate as possible.

  • @gendaminoru3195
    @gendaminoru3195 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder what you would say if a German fighter shot down a British search and rescue attempt.

    • @nightjarflying
      @nightjarflying 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Heinkel He 59 seaplane fired on the Blackburn Roc first.

  • @brockett
    @brockett 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at 8.08 you say the RAF bombed in June 1946 !!! I think you mean 1940.

  • @macmac8249
    @macmac8249 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought I spotted a Millennium Falcon ther….oops…nope…something in my eye. Sorry…

  • @deanbuss1678
    @deanbuss1678 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a cool story 👍

  • @FlyGuy2000
    @FlyGuy2000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The guy with the teeth.

  • @enricomercado4671
    @enricomercado4671 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do the Rocs have such an ugly pilot's windscreen??
    It looks too upright and not very aerodynamic. If they leaned the windscreen back a bit, they could surely gain a few more miles per hour for its top speed.

  • @auro1986
    @auro1986 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did turret rotate from aircraft's engine?

    • @michaelmclachlan1650
      @michaelmclachlan1650 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hydraulically powered by an electrically-driven pump.

    • @lomax343
      @lomax343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. The gunner could only enter or exit it the turret was pointed the right way. If the engine failed, or the aircraft was shot down, the gunner was often trapped in the turret. The affected the Defiant as well. Small wonder such aircraft were unpopular with their crews.

  • @GeorgeJetson-r3o
    @GeorgeJetson-r3o 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No front guns how do decisions like that get made, the extra cost in comparison to how many planes don't get shot down and how many enemies do, if u Wana win u make the fastest most maneuverable, best guns , best visibility, and teach clever tactics, not to mention some down ward guns with glass to see, you could pull up and fly above them with them either following u or focus on another target thinking that no planes can fire on planes under neither other planes,
    And the front guns should have like 8 or 10 guns 4 straight shooting 2 slightly upwards 2 more upwards a bit more than the other 2 and 2 aimed slightly down, so many times they are making hard turns and are barely out of their target zone if u had 4 guns aimed upwards at two levels u would have significant kill count, if they were taught to be wise with there bullets they wouldn't use any more bullets than any other because they would hit theor target by probably 2x or 3x
    If u put the biggest turbo charged engine with the best guns and most maneuverable u probably reduce plane loss by 50% or more which more than covers the price of turbo and extra guns. It's retarded where they get the logic behind their decisions. They probably worried about material and man power costs, trying to eliminate things that they can get away with
    Which again is stupid from a business aspect, u make the best planes consistently you will sell more planes you will get every new contract they won't consider buying from another factory
    They will just listen and approve your decisions and not argue because u been making the best planes the whole war, you can also ask the price u want and get that price especially when they compare it to how many planes from the other maker were shot down in such a short period of time and lost most missions.

  • @DGARDELIS
    @DGARDELIS 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More than half of the video is about other aircraft, just used to accompany the narrative. Nice video but not that good as a documentary in accuracy.

  • @RICHARDSIMMONS.tRICKy
    @RICHARDSIMMONS.tRICKy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1946?

  • @oranje1964
    @oranje1964 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fyi, its pronounced "Hainkel".... still a nice video.

    • @exxbootneck
      @exxbootneck 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats AI for you. A terribly frustrating way to add commentary nowadays.

  • @adriancash7063
    @adriancash7063 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A Hinkel? Not one of the better known German manufacturers. Surely not Taking liberties with pronouncing those pesky foreign words again?

    • @adamesd3699
      @adamesd3699 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ehh, it was close enough. Besides, regional dialects, different pronunciations and all that.

    • @adriancash7063
      @adriancash7063 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@adamesd3699 it’s a German word - afaik there’s only 1 to pronounce it - slightly amateurish and disrespectful not to bother using the correct pronunciation imho.

    • @michaeldennis6077
      @michaeldennis6077 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hinkle is the fictional German character they're making fun of in band of Brothers. Heinkel is quite a well-known aircraft manufacturer.

    • @davestableford1516
      @davestableford1516 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Reminds me of well worn joke: 😊S/Ldr Paderewski was visiting a famous girls school and was asked by the head teacher to describe a typical action.
      "Vell - I vas flying along in my Spitfire when I spotted these fokkers in the distance, I dived on them and shot two of the fokkers down, then did a quick roll came up underneath them and shot down another couple of fokkers - the other fokkers flew away in panic"
      As the girls were giggling at this the head teacher said - "Of course what S/Ldr Paderewski means by fokkers is that these were the German Focke Wulf 190, isn't that correct S/ldr?"
      "Certainly is generally - but in this instance these fokkers were Messerchmitt's"

    • @michaellinner7772
      @michaellinner7772 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's Heinkel (pronounced Hyn-kell), a pretty well known and respected aircraft manufacturer.
      German is quite possibly the easiest language on earth to pronounce. They do have slightly more rules, however the language adheres to all of them.

  • @matthewc7334
    @matthewc7334 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have always thought that "Heinkel" was not pronounced "henkle" but rather as "hine-kle". Very annoying!

  • @rossmunro7084
    @rossmunro7084 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    not frontwards" that word does not exist really. the word you are looking for ids
    FORWARDS

    • @matthewjay660
      @matthewjay660 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Per Merriam-Webster Dictionary website 👉🏻 "frontward
      adverb or adjective
      front·​ward ˈfrənt-wərd
      variants or frontwards
      ˈfrənt-wərdz
      : toward the front."

  • @Wum763
    @Wum763 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was für ein unsagbarer Quatsch 🥴😂

  • @Ichotolot-fd8go
    @Ichotolot-fd8go 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    horrible translation into german.

  • @MrShaneSunshine
    @MrShaneSunshine 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Waste of time there!

  • @DrAcula-mv6kb
    @DrAcula-mv6kb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't forget, England declared war on Germany...

    • @nightjarflying
      @nightjarflying 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A useless half fact - the UK [not just England] declared war on Germany because Hitler had failed to respond to British demands to leave Poland which Germany had invaded. There, that's better.

    • @gerrycoogan6544
      @gerrycoogan6544 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No it didn't.
      Britain declared war on Germany.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nightjarflying Britain & France had already warned Germany that they would declare war should Germany invade Poland. It was an attempt to warn hitler of the consequences of such an action, in the hope that it would bring German military aggression to an end, and avert a wider European war.
      It was easier for Germany, of course. The Germans invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Belgium, and the Soviet Union, without declaring war on any of them.

  • @ΚωστήςΠαπαδημητρίου
    @ΚωστήςΠαπαδημητρίου 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Boring, click bait,

  • @thumper7047
    @thumper7047 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Way too much time building to the point. a waste of time to watch these videos. - As they have "subscribe" they need a way to never be offered to see videos by some posters. IF they did, this would certainly be one. If this is a 12 min video, 8 minutes will be "blah, blah blah, words" No one cares about which planes were built at the same time and what the concepts were and why they choose this design, yadda yadda.... Just get to the point. What was the "Bizarre Technique"?

  • @nramember.2nd
    @nramember.2nd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very boring.

  • @GereDJ2
    @GereDJ2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Learn to speak.

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    @ 8:08: June 1946??? A little late the party, chum? (Tip: always review and edit before posting.)

    • @Jimmy_CV
      @Jimmy_CV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I am almost sure dark does zero research or post editing

    • @mre7862
      @mre7862 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The French being bombed by the RAF in 1946 shaking their fists to the air and screaming “what le fuq?!” 😂

  • @zaxxx1975
    @zaxxx1975 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This site has let me down. Dark etc was real good stuff then they seem to have run a ground in the name dept. Click bait names. Most hated airplane. Most terrifying gun...etc etc. Most lame names contest you win. Dont dumb down your history.

    • @chrisjensen9313
      @chrisjensen9313 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And ESSENTIALLY zero research, pulling derp out of their arse and spreading pure nonsense instead of doin the slightest research..

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I do rely on Dark and Felton amongst others to provide war stories no matter how obscure or minor of which I have never heard. I'm always learning something new about WWII and other military subjects from them.

    • @Jimmy_CV
      @Jimmy_CV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Dark is the worst source for historical accuracy

    • @matthewjay660
      @matthewjay660 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, I trust Dr. Felton too. He educates me.

    • @johncox2865
      @johncox2865 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I RELY on Dr. Felton.
      Dark is an often comical amusement theater.
      Interesting photos, little more.

    • @VincentNajger1
      @VincentNajger1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      'The fat electrician' is also good at spinning military yarns. 'Drachinifel' is a must for maritime history. 'Australian Military Aviation History' does great air warfare docs. 'Waterline Stories' too, but that less military stuff. Same with 'Big Old Boats'. 'Military History Visualised', 'Military Aviation History' are fantastic. You can't go passed 'The Tank Museum' and 'The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum' for tank stuff. Plus there's 'The History Guy' and 'World War Two' (prob the best day by day recounting of the entire conflict, as well as series about the lead up and the aftermath). 'Real Time History', 'Oversimplified', 'War Stories', 'Yarnhub', 'Willy Cuz War Films', 'The Armchair Historian', 'Warographics' and 'World at War'(thats got a heap of great WW2 doc series). Lost Battlefields with Tino Struckmann and WW2 History Hunter and WW2 Metal Detecting for channels that actually visit the real obscure sites and do proper excavations. Of course, there's Time Team Official and Time Team Classics for that Tony Robinson ASMR guilty pleasure. That's my short list from over a decade crawling through the sordid, dank effluent infused sewer tunnels that is youtube lol. Hope that helps!
      Also, look up 'World at War' from the mid 70s. It used to be the real benchmark for tv WW2 doc series. It still excels today. It's on youtube on various channels. Its well worth searching up and watching in its entirety).

    • @VincentNajger1
      @VincentNajger1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wow.... My comment with a heap of ch suggestions disappeared. Imagine my shock lol. Lucky I know how to cut n paste. This channel is one of the most jealous channels. They wont even let you name another channel without nuking your comment from orbit within 2 mins lol. Ill try again. Here's a bunch of other history related channels that you can also enjoy. I wonder if itll last longer than 2 mins this time lol.
      The fat electrician' is also good at spinning military yarns. 'Drachinifel' is a must for maritime history. 'Australian Military Aviation History' does great air warfare docs. 'Waterline Stories' too, but that's less military stuff. Same with 'Big Old Boats'. 'Military History Visualised', 'Military Aviation History' are fantastic. You can't go passed 'The Tank Museum' and 'The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum' for tank stuff. Plus there's 'The History Guy' and 'World War Two' (prob the best day by day recounting of the entire conflict, as well as series about the lead up and the aftermath). 'Real Time History', 'Oversimplified', 'War Stories', 'Yarnhub', 'Willy Cuz War Films', 'The Armchair Historian', 'Warographics' and 'World at War'(thats got a heap of great WW2 doc series). Lost Battlefields with Tino Struckmann and WW2 History Hunter and WW2 Metal Detecting for channels that actually visit the real obscure sites and do proper excavations. Of course, there's Time Team Official and Time Team Classics for that Tony Robinson ASMR guilty pleasure.
      Also, look up 'World at War' from the mid 70s. It used to be the real benchmark for tv WW2 doc series. It still excels today. It's on youtube on various channels. Its well worth searching up and watching in its entirety).

  • @richardhart9204
    @richardhart9204 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    ... and the chap they were supposed to rescue?

    • @MrJest2
      @MrJest2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Who knows; if he was lucky another aircraft helped out. The terrible part of this story was... these SAR missions didn't _need_ to engage. They were both rescue aircraft, and the equivalent of hospital ships - they weren't supposed to be fired upon. But (supposedly) Nazi fanaticism led one of the gunners on the Heinkel to open up on Roc, and at that point all bets were off. An engagement of obsolete aircraft, to little effect overall... except, of course, for the poor chap they were sent out to find.

    • @boanerges5723
      @boanerges5723 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There were numerous floating "hotels" designed for downed airmen, but you'd need to be lucky to be downed close enough to swim to one. Depending on the area of sea around Britain there is a low survival rate with extended submersion in the water of as little as 45 mins. In much of the north hypothermia is expected to set in within 30mins.

    • @richardhart9204
      @richardhart9204 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@boanerges5723 Those Hotels were few and far between and little better than being stranded in the drink.

    • @NotABot_BOT_
      @NotABot_BOT_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@MrJest2if an enemy plane pursued you with guns trained on you, you bet you would open fire aswell. It's historical gaslighting to say it was Nazi fanatisim when most people in the wermacht and luftwaffe were not members the the nazy party.

    • @MrJest2
      @MrJest2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@NotABot_BOT_ Hence the "supposedly". We only have the aircrew's story to go on; for all we know the Brits opened fire first. Even history in living memory tends to be "fuzzy". War is a special kind of crazy Hell, and as long observed, the truth is the first causality.

  • @pickeljarsforhillary102
    @pickeljarsforhillary102 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Blackburn felt that streamlining was just a fade.

    • @sparky4878
      @sparky4878 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Such a silly fad. Where did Supermarine ever get with following it?

    • @jonathansteadman7935
      @jonathansteadman7935 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sparky4878Woolston.

  • @coryfogle5353
    @coryfogle5353 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    There really wasn't much of a choice. At 200mph, it takes about 50 seconds to go 3 miles. So first you have to assume the other plane has seen you also, and then you get into mission priority.
    Unfortunately a downed pilot, who if you're lucky enough to find...may...be alive, comes in second to an enemy plane that IS definitely capable of shooting you and others down.
    That's the reality of war.

  • @Eddewardeke
    @Eddewardeke 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    It is a pity that so many of these documentaries have incorrect image material. For the rest they are interesting.

    • @VincentNajger1
      @VincentNajger1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They put a disclaimer in the description. Often there isn't 10 minutes of footage available. I dunno why they don't just use stills and War Thunder like other channels do. It's an aesthetic and editing choice I assume.

    • @richardgrocutt522
      @richardgrocutt522 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Footage of any kind is not easily available and trying to find footage of a certain aircraft is like trying to find a needle in a haystack thanks to all the people that go to great lengths to bring us these images ❤

    • @richardgrocutt522
      @richardgrocutt522 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So that we never forget the sacrifices that all the allied soldiers made otherwise your first language might have been German ❤

  • @mylezzpurhourr
    @mylezzpurhourr 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Definitely gives me Paul Boulton defiant vibes lol

    • @andrewcomerford9411
      @andrewcomerford9411 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It used the same turret, not a Fraser-Nash.

    • @missasinenomine
      @missasinenomine 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boulton Paul?

    • @ianwilkinson3425
      @ianwilkinson3425 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@missasinenomineMichael Bolton ?

    • @mrburns444
      @mrburns444 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@missasinenomine Boulton Paul Defiant, I think.

  • @richmorg8196
    @richmorg8196 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Like the Bouton Paul Defient that was mistaken for a Hurricane

  • @RussSharpe
    @RussSharpe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Contrary to your comments, the turreted fight was a horrible idea which was proven out in combat. The Defiant was no better than the Roc in combat with other fighters. Once the German’s figured out Defiants weren’t Hurricanes, the Defiants became easy pickings. This type of “fighter” aircraft is only viable as a night fighter where the pilot can maneuver his gunner into an excellent firing position beneath the enemy bomber.

    • @chrishowell5718
      @chrishowell5718 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I recall seeing on another channel that the main idea behind turret fighters was that it was very difficult to get guns firing directly forward of the aircraft to bear on a turning opponent: you effectively had to turn inside him. The ability to train turret-mounted guns on an enemy who was constantly 30 degrees above the pilot's gunsight was theorised to be an advantage. The weight and aerodynamic penalties meant it didn't work out that way, and later it became clear that boom and zoom was preferable to dogfighting anyhow. Still, I'm a little surprised that no one experimented with putting something like a 20mm canon in the rear fuselage to fire over the cockpit at a shallow angle (rather than schragemusick- style) , to fire inside the turn of a plane being pursued.

    • @lomax343
      @lomax343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The concept behind the turreted fighter was that they would be efficient at shooting down enemy bombers. And so they would've been, if the bombers obligingly flew straight and level, and didn't have any fighter escort.

  • @traviswebb5094
    @traviswebb5094 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    1946? You know something we don't?

  • @damienmaynard8892
    @damienmaynard8892 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Roc looked like the Boulton-Paul Defiant had a hot night with a Blackburn Skua. Still, they all played their part and had successes. Sleeve-valve engines were very quiet compared to other types - radial and in-line. Least likely dogfight? What about the Wellesley versus Caproni's in the Med.!?

  • @SchaluppenDiddi
    @SchaluppenDiddi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ich liebe KI. Es strotzt nur so von idiotischen Fakten. Schade um die richtigen Aussagen dieses Flugzeuges.

  • @pauterful
    @pauterful 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Unglaublich schlecht gemacht

  • @johncox2865
    @johncox2865 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:44
    Do I understand you to say that you’ve never hunted quail or dove in your life? Have you never fired a gun?
    Unless your moving target is either moving directly toward or away from you, aiming DIRECTLY at it will always result in a miss.
    All other shooting at moving targets IS deflection shooting.

  • @chuckoneill2023
    @chuckoneill2023 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The most bizarre killing technique were the purpose-built Japanese Bohka Bombs. Manned cruise missles (except, of course, the term cruise missle hadn't yet been coined). Only one confirmed kill in the whole war.

  • @tedheath9018
    @tedheath9018 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A lot of errors in this vid and some plain bs.

  • @chriswalford4161
    @chriswalford4161 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Blackburn is in Lancashire, not Yorkshire.

    • @bassetdad437
      @bassetdad437 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was called the Blackburn Company because Robert Blackburn owned it not because it was in Blackburn.

  • @patrickporter1864
    @patrickporter1864 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The dive bomber version the skua was faster than the fighter version the roc.

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is where the famous saying: "It flies like a rock" originates

  • @maxsparks5183
    @maxsparks5183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would be much more impressed if the Allied pilot chose to let the German aircraft continue its mission to save its downed flyers, while the Allied pilot did the same.

    • @nightjarflying
      @nightjarflying 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Other way around - the German seaplane first attacked the Roc

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean the mission to recover downed aircrew and return them to their units?

  • @3746463
    @3746463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    9:38 It is 7,92 not 7.99

  • @karoltakisobie6638
    @karoltakisobie6638 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imho Roc wasn't a bad plane. It was product of faulty expectation and requirement for " universal combat plane". In effect it wasn't best at any task , it was barely acceptable at the moment.

  • @gingercat6128
    @gingercat6128 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The video mentions a Swordfish seaplane. The Swordfish was a carrier based biplane torpedo bomber, not a seaplane. Perhaps the narrator meant a Supermarine Walrus, a biplane flying boat used by the RAF for air-sea rescue.

    • @michaelmclachlan1650
      @michaelmclachlan1650 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The Swordfish were also built as seaplanes, equipped with twin floats. The second prototype was refitted with these as part of its development program and the final pre-production aircraft was completed with them. A number were used, with floats, on battleships and battlecruisers as reconnaissance aircraft: HMS Repulse, HMS Renown, HMS Warspite etc. The Wikipedia has more detail and includes a photograph of a floatplane on HMS Malaya.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Wrong. A number of Swordfish were equipped with floats in order to operate as catapult aircraft. One from HMS Warspite sank a U-Boat during the Battle of Narvik.

  • @lonwof2105
    @lonwof2105 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How come they never made a float plane with retractable floats? Seems like you could build the fusalage to contain the floats and build them more aerodynamically so they could maybe hang out a bit. It would improve performance tremendously.

    • @auldteuchter9012
      @auldteuchter9012 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There have been a couple, none to sucessful production. But Blackburn was one of them, had to wait for the Buccaneer before they finally made a decent bit of kit.

  • @0Turbox
    @0Turbox 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Germans should have done this against the bomber formations instead of the "schräge musik". A 20 mm quad ball turret on a JU-88 and the fighters only care for the escorts.

  • @georgecoventry8441
    @georgecoventry8441 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Strange encounter, yes....but not as strange as the time a Dachshund in Oldenburg, Germany attempted to bring down a fully grown elk! That also ended in a draw.

  • @freedog632
    @freedog632 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You would still have to lead the targets, putting guns in a turret doesn't speed the bullets up to the speed of light.

    • @paktahn
      @paktahn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      exactly who ever wrote the script for this vid knows nothing about guns ballistics or physics if anything shooting from a turret is harder because you have to take not of the direction you are shooting opposed to your direction of travel

  • @ChrisSmith-lo2kp
    @ChrisSmith-lo2kp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    would've been great as a proto gunship, using its quad mount turret in a pylon turn to destroy ground targets

  • @gryph01
    @gryph01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Blackburn. The Chrysler of aircraft