Solving CV/Gate Issues // Behringer 2600, ARP 2600, 2600 Synth Clones

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  • @RalphBaumgartl
    @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Learn everything about the Behringer 2600 here:
    th-cam.com/play/PLlJvIUzIwQ79naxyNxNQnNEj_KcmHp5D5.html
    Get started with the Behringer 2500 Eurorack System:
    th-cam.com/play/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-c3uoCt82TRo2a_IZmYjCJ.html
    ARP 2600 and Behringer 2600 Videos:
    th-cam.com/play/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-i8ycRAQNnYcPmADP9quhE.html
    Happy patching! Ralph

  • @toddsmithmusic3172
    @toddsmithmusic3172 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ARP master is back !@

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you Todd! As a GenerationX guy, I can't deny my love for classic Synths ;-)

  • @Unikladhalo
    @Unikladhalo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just caught your CV/pitch tutorial. I’m planning on buying a beheinger 2600 very soon and
    Could all the info you’re willing to share. Keep posting and I’ll keep watching!

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad that you found my channel and benefit from my content. Wishing you a great musical journey with your forthcoming 2600 Synth. Cheers, Ralph

  • @andrewstanworth529
    @andrewstanworth529 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chefs kiss! Perfect!
    As always, ESSENTIAL for ARP 2600 users!

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and for your feedback!

  • @RonaldFigura
    @RonaldFigura ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a Division Six Dual Mini Sequencer and the Behringer 2600. I tried your gate/preamp method and it does not trigger the 2600 ADSR properly. One thing you missed was adjusting different ADSR parameters. If you did you would probably notice that the attack and decay are not functioning properly (as well as the rest of the EG) when applying only the gate to the 2600 VCF EG. After much research online I found a video with the solution. It's hard to find in the 2600 documentation. The ADSR requires a trigger AND a gate. The Division Six Dual Mini Sequencer only has a gate out. I recently purchased an EMW "gate to trigger" module. I split the gate out of the Sequencer with one going into the 2600 gate jack and the other split going to the EMW Gate to trigger converter. I then brought the EMW generated trigger into the 2600 trigger input jack. Presto! The 2600 ADSR functions as expected. If you want I can throw a quick video together to show the patching and results. To share with your community. I enjoy you videos. Never owned an ARP back in the day. MiniMoog was my synth of choice. So I had a bit of a learning curve. Your videos helped.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Ronald,
      many thanks for sharing your experience with the Division Six Sequencer.
      I am totally aware of the fact the 2600 EG’s require a Gate AND Trigger signal. As a matter of fact I have already made a video about this
      th-cam.com/video/MTf10H0KWDU/w-d-xo.html
      But nevertheless you took the best approach by doing your own research and testing. That’s always the best way to learn the 2600 Synth.
      I have never dabbled with the Division Six Sequencer but with all my equipment I have never experienced any Attack/Decay issues on the ADSR when going through the Preamp. Except for the the Sustain which is probably due to the fact that the Preamp might not be DC coupled. Anyway when you look at the ADSR position in my video and listen to the accompanying sound then you will notice that the Attack and Decay are working properly.
      One again I would like to refer to this video here th-cam.com/video/MTf10H0KWDU/w-d-xo.html and suggest that you try to split the Gate and Trigger and boost the just the Trigger signal and run it into the Trig input slot.
      I am currently shooting another video about Gate connection issues because I have received several further questions/comments on my various Socials. So kindly stay tuned.
      Thanks a lot for watching my content and for taking the time to write this comment. Greetings, Ralph

    • @RonaldFigura
      @RonaldFigura ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RalphBaumgartl thanks. I have the Behringer Swing. I will follow the setup from the video you referenced. Thanks again for the prompt reply.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RonaldFigura This video just shows another way which might be a possible solution. In modular Synthesis there's no wright or wrong way. There's the way that works for your setup and workflow. Finding and exploring that route is part of the modular Synth fun :-) Have a creative weekend, Ralph

  • @TonyBSynths
    @TonyBSynths 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Ralph, I have just got my original (1974) 2600 back from service and was trying to run it from my Doepfer Dark Time Sequencer (still to try with my Doepfer MAQ 16/3 and my Keystep - and expect a challenge, and probably failure using the Behringer 960 sequencers!). I followed all of your instructions and even with the input levels at x 100 I was still getting the Sample and hold clock taking over/playing on top of my sequence - giving a sort of double beat or a click as well as the sequencer output and then fading itself out when the S&H clock faded. After thinking a lot I have plugged in the output from the preamplifier gain control (big knob on the top left of the 2600 - same as the Behringer but not a slider) as you suggested, BUT connected it to the Sample and Hold GATE input on the 2600. That works - so far. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! I am working through your other videos.
    I just found your other video which actually covered this bit. I plan to watch everything you have produced eagerly!
    Best wishes, Tony, Hove, UK.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello Tony, thank you for giving me your detailed feedback on my tutorials. A lot of making things work involve a lot of trial and error testing. That's part of the modular Synth game. BTW, I also have an original ARP 2600. 😃 Cheers, Ralph

  • @philbeavis5565
    @philbeavis5565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Ralph. I was having similar problems with Arturia Keystep 37 and Behringer 2600. I tried using the Arturia Midi Control Center app change the gate out signal from "V-trig 12V" to "V-trig 5V" and it worked much better, not needing the preamp at all.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      The Keystep has great setting options and the Arturia Midi Control center gives you fantastic control over the device. Unfortunately the setting options for the Arturia MicroBrute are a bit limited. Many thanks for watching my videos! Greetings, Ralph

  • @samuelpenn2973
    @samuelpenn2973 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good to know.Thanks.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you got some value out of my video!

  • @mutedsounds2k
    @mutedsounds2k ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I also have a MicroBrute and a Zoom MS70-CDR! LOVELY!!

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! I personally think that the Zoom MS70-CDR is one of the best effect pedal deals around. So much value!

  • @stevelarson3229
    @stevelarson3229 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for all the info. Its been an excellent resource for learning the 2600.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank for using my tutorials to learn the 2600 Synthesizer. Cheers, Ralph

  • @markcampbell8460
    @markcampbell8460 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Ralph! This was VERY helpful.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad my video was helpful! Thanks for watching. Greetings, Ralph

  • @thatmr.a8010
    @thatmr.a8010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! I ran into this problem with my Microbrute as well. I had both the 2600 and MB connected via midi to the pc and I just wanted some CV/gate local control for fun but it didn't work. Leave it to the 2600 Top Guru to solve it! 👍

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to know that my video helped you there! And thanks for the compliment 😉

  • @Eaonsound
    @Eaonsound ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Ralph for all this helpful Information . Learn a lot from your videos .

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Eric, thanks for letting me know. I am glad you are benefiting from my content. Greetings, Ralph

  • @12throot32
    @12throot32 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the quick reply. I will try a midi-cv converter, as I want to do more than just play notes with outputs from my Prophet 600.

  • @donerskine7935
    @donerskine7935 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As many of the outputs of the 2600 are in the range -10V to +14V, the AD/ADSR Gate and Trigger Inputs should be able to handle that voltage range safely.
    For reference, Specifications from the Behringer 2600 documentation:
    AD/ADSR Gate In threshold is +4V.
    AD/ADSR Trigger In Threshold is +5V.
    The portamento/ keyboard Gate Out voltage is +14V max.
    The portamento/ keyboard Trigger Out voltage is +10V max.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing this! It also shows that it's highly unlikely to break something on the B2600 when patching up external gear!

  • @o.b.v.i.u.s
    @o.b.v.i.u.s ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks!

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      THANK YOU! I am so glad that my video was helpful to you! Thanks for your support! Best regards, Ralph

  • @labouch
    @labouch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a Dark Time sequencer (set at 12v gate out) which still doesn’t trigger my Karp 2600FS, which supposedly only needs 10v. I do exactly what you do - use the preamp to boost the Dark Time. It works fine but annoyingly means I can’t use the preamp for sound design at the same time.
    Love your videos - if I could make one suggestion it would be to ditch that awful headset mic and find a better alternative. Your voice-over sound quality really lets down your otherwise great productions. All the best.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hello there,
      try the Gate/Trigger procedure as explained in this video here and look if this works for you, then you could use the preamp for something else. th-cam.com/video/MTf10H0KWDU/w-d-xo.html
      I have been thinking about changing the headset/lav mic setup. I am still looking for a good solution which gives me freedom of movement. Greetings, Ralph

  • @TheScreamingFrog916
    @TheScreamingFrog916 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a very helpful suggestion, and is much simpler than the using the voltage processor.
    Is the preamp DC coupled, so a long gate will hold the envelope open?
    Also like your suggestion to use MIDI when possible.
    Another thing to check, is if the hardware sending the trigger/gate/clock, has an option to select what voltage they send. Some allow you to choose between 10v and 5v.
    A few of my synth toys have that, like the MicroFreak, and the Korg SQ-64 sequencer.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      The Arturia Keystep also allows you to choose between a 5v and a 12v gate.

  • @MarcoPolux
    @MarcoPolux 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ralph! taht was exactly the problem I had while using the signal splitter (that one that looks like an asterix).... it splitted the voltage so it wasn't enough to duly trigger the Osc..... and the Trigger. I updated the firmware as you adviced and starte using it with midi (and just for knowledge, I tested the CV splitter with a multimeter,.. and yeah...)
    But now, I ordered a new analogt sequencer and I will have to use the CV inputs again.... so! there it is.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which sequencer did you order?

    • @MarcoPolux
      @MarcoPolux 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RalphBaumgartl ordered 2: a Korg SQ1 and a Behringer 960 module.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarcoPolux You may have to boost the Gate signal of the 960 module in oder to make it work with the 2600.

    • @MarcoPolux
      @MarcoPolux 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On the GATE only, right? The 960 is +8V the 2600 has different voltage on different modules. What I’ve seen is that the pitch enter direct to the Arp’s mixer and then to the VCO pitch. And the gate goes to the Arp’s PreAmp and when to the S/H…. And then it works correct? Thanks Ralph 👍

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @MarcoPolux start with the procedure explained in my video. Depending on your sequence in may not be necessary to increase the Pitch/CV signal.

  • @HeberHere
    @HeberHere ปีที่แล้ว +1

    helped a lot !!!

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you find it helpful!

    • @HeberHere
      @HeberHere ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RalphBaumgartl i've been watching your videos for a long time and i've learned so much from you. i hope you keep doing these videos, it's really fun to learn from you!! thank you :)

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HeberHere Sure I will continue making videos. Glad you are enjoying my content. Many thanks for your support 🙏 Ralph

  • @Digiphex
    @Digiphex ปีที่แล้ว

    When Behringer recreated the Juno with the DeepMind they put effects, a screen, lots of preset memory, MIDI cc implementation, etc. Now that is how to recreate the voice of something with modern features. After that Behringer lost this fantastic concept and I have never purchased another product of theirs, though I like my DeepMind. If they made a full cc implementation on this, a screen, presets and TC effects, I would instantly buy this and pay a lot more gladly. But as is, I am not sure I would take one even if the company offered to send me one for free.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I agree that it would have been nice if Behringer had implemented full Midi CC. Guess they didn't want to deviate too much from the original. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Greetings, Ralph

    • @jjrusy7438
      @jjrusy7438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ironically, the 2 behr synths I own are a dm12m and a 2600. I prefer digitally controlled synths, including analogs. The dm12 is really amazing. The 2600 is old school modular which means patching. I am a keyboard player, but I am exploring some semi-modular toys, otherwise I would not have the 2600 either. I got a grandmother and a west pest for the semi-modular games. It is actually fun to string several synths together for crazy new sounds. Behringer will have more original synths soon. They are developing a ton of synths.

  • @_rootsman
    @_rootsman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hello Ralph! I have another beginner question for you 🙂 are there things which work only with midi? today I am messing around with my 2600 connected to my Keystep Pro via CV. all the connections are fine and it all works great. but I noticed that the "vib depth" slider was having no effect? so I unplugged all my patch cables (except LFO) and connected via midi and the "Vib depth" is behaving exactly as you would expect?
    I tested using one CV connection: KSP into OSC 2 for pitch, and KSP into S&H clock for gate, and then cable (same as with midi connection) from LFO sine output into PWM input of OSC 2 (also tried with pitch) but doing this, the "vib depth" has absolutely zero effect? what am I doing wrong here Ralph? is there another CV connection to make that I am missing? thank you! have a great day 🙂

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, certain things will only work right out of the box if you have a midi keyboard connected. Using a delayed LFO (vibrato effect) during a CV/Gate connection requires a lot more patching and making use of the Voltage Processor. Kindly check my tutorial here: th-cam.com/video/5pkO7Yiffac/w-d-xo.html
      But as I said in my video, always go for the Midi connection first, because it makes things easier especially when you are starting out with the 2600 Synth. Greetings, Ralph

  • @eristoy
    @eristoy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question for you. Why use the sample and hold clock in and not the gate/trig in?

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would work as well. But in that case you need to send a Gate and a Trigger signal to either input as explained in this video here. th-cam.com/video/MTf10H0KWDU/w-d-xo.html

  • @flammasecutor
    @flammasecutor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, thanks. I am experiencing a problem with connecting to Behringer 2600 via USB. I am trying with multiple controllers and sequencers with no success. the goal is to connect Behringer to Ableton, or hardware sequencer using USB. Any advise?

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you using the Ableton Light version? As far as I know the Light version cannot send Midi data to an external Synth. I am using Logic on a Mac. I never experienced any issues when connecting (USB and/or Din Midi) the B2600 to Logic. Please make sure that you are setting the correct Midi channel numbers in Ableton and the on the B2600. (I am unable to give any detailed advice on Ableton since I am not using that App)

  • @KosmoDeuz
    @KosmoDeuz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🎉

  • @pauld956
    @pauld956 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great and helpful video! Has anyone tried connecting a Kenton Pro Solo to a Behringer 2600? It seems like you could take advantage of the Kenton's extra envelope, LFO and perhaps some mod wheel functions on one's MIDI controller through the Kenton's aux CV outputs.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I personally have no experience with the Kenton Pro Solo. If anyone out there can share his/her experience with this gentleman here, then kindly be forthcoming.

    • @labouch
      @labouch ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I used to use a Kenton with my old OG 2600. You can use it in a variety of ways - including the extra CV etc. With the Behringer you’d be able to use midi to deal with the note pitch and on/off, freeing up all the CVs for fun stuff like filter cv, pulse width… anything with a control input really.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@labouch Thank you so much for sharing this! Have a nice weekend, Ralph

  • @12throot32
    @12throot32 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ralph-/can one connect then Arp 3620 to a Barp? If so, how?

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You cannot connect the keyboard alone to the B2600. You need the full 2600 to do that.

  • @Bungalow_Jonathan
    @Bungalow_Jonathan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why can't you plug the pitch CV directly into the Keyboard CV instead of mult-ing it to each individual oscillator?

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In oder to control the pitch of all VCOs. Keyboard CV in no input.

  • @nu-sanbain5348
    @nu-sanbain5348 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you get midi number on berhinger 2600

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      On the rear of the Behringer 2600 you find the Midi Channel Switches. There you can set and read the current Midi channel number.

    • @nu-sanbain5348
      @nu-sanbain5348 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RalphBaumgartl thank you very much

  • @KickzNBeatz
    @KickzNBeatz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can anyone please help me with an issue I'm experiencing? I'd greatly appreciate it.
    At this point, whenever I turn on my Korg ARP 2600, the oscillators can be heard without having to press any keys. It just plays forever. I even turn it on while the keyboard is off, and you can still hear the oscillators. Is it broken?

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kindly watch the following video. I suppose you might be doing one of the mistakes mentioned in the tutorial. th-cam.com/video/vQx88p4dutc/w-d-xo.html

    • @KickzNBeatz
      @KickzNBeatz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RalphBaumgartl Thank you. I've watched some but I did not get to complete the video. I'm just surprised to see that it was working just fine the other day. All I did this time was power on the Keyboard before the ARP (as usual) and experienced this issue.

    • @KickzNBeatz
      @KickzNBeatz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RalphBaumgartlok so I watched your recommended video and it fixed my issues when it comes to using VCF to hear audio without issues. However, my VCA slider has not been giving me any sound. It's completely mute, even after watching your video unfortunately.

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KickzNBeatz I guess you are referring to the Initial Gain Slider. Bear in mind that you also have to open the VCF to hear something when cranking up Initial Gain. If you are new to the 2600 Synth then you may want to watch my tutorial series. It has helped many new users already: th-cam.com/play/PLlJvIUzIwQ79naxyNxNQnNEj_KcmHp5D5.html

    • @KickzNBeatz
      @KickzNBeatz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RalphBaumgartl Thank you. I'll watch this video as well. I can remember originally being able to hear audio with the the VCA turned up while VCF is off (within mixer section). I am not sure why I can't anymore. I should be able to use only VCA without VCF and be able to hear sound.

  • @ShamanixFabulas
    @ShamanixFabulas ปีที่แล้ว

    o jea good imput !i had a qestion to you are you german1greethingth from south germania

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I am from Germany. You can hear it in my accent 😀

    • @ShamanixFabulas
      @ShamanixFabulas ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RalphBaumgartl Danke fur die antwort ,hatte einen kleinen disput mit einem freund deswegen,deine videos sind super dein acktzent ist super zu verstehen sogar fue leute wie mich ,danke danke danke weiter so biiiiite,fabi

    • @RalphBaumgartl
      @RalphBaumgartl  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShamanixFabulas Vielen Dank Fabi, freut mich sehr, dass dir meine Videos gefallen! Beste Grüße, Ralph