I considered the Z only to find the dealership around me asking for $75k...which was apparently a drop from the $90k tag a few months back.....trippin'
Reminds me of the focus rs back in the day major hype and genuinely a great affordable car but was killed by the dealerships making it almost unobtainable
I still see them going for $40k with 50k miles on them around here. You got me fucked up if you think I'm gonna pay over MSRP for a now 6 year old car that has more overheating issues than it should.
Currently have 2x Z's right now (one being a datsun), and I lost faith in the new Z solely because of the stupid markups. When my budget frees enough for another sports car, I'll probably end up going for the Supra for the same price. (Which is sad)
I despise dealerships. I've yet to have an interaction with a dealership where I didn't feel like I was being ripped off. One of the worst was when I already had a loan approved, I had some cash in my pocket, drove an hour and a half to a dealership only to have them refuse to sell me a car unless I financed through them. And this was long before the pandemic. That's why I've bought my last two cars through carvana. No BS or haggling. Bought a car in like 30 minutes and it showed up to my house in a couple of days.
I completely feel you on calling out the dealerships. I too am from WI and had a "chance" at proto spec Z, only to find out they were asking $92k. Ended up randomly finding a dealership in Dubuque, IA with a performance spec at MSRP but the experience was extremely tiring. But glad to see there's another yellow Z here in WI other than myself!
@@mapko15 No you wouldn't, I promise you that. If you were in the position to and sat in and drove both, the Supra is on a entirely different level than the Z. In terms of engine, transmission, suspension, build quality. And you can get Supras for MSRP. I was so excited for the Z and so astronomically disapointed when it finally got here. Such a shame.
@@mylesG23 I get that but my first sports car was a 350z that I had for 6 years and I miss to this day so for me its nostalgia and a personal connection otherwise yeah supra is much better car
Honestly I'm considering the Supra or Z but I'm probably gonna go with the Supra. The B58 is such a beast and also the infotainment system is better. That's all. Both cars have amazing Manuel and auto.
id recommend a serious look at the Z. the supra is BMW and once it breaks that first time it will be a show queen and you will rarely get to actually drive it, and since it is BMW hope you have a good paying job b/c the parts will cost you
@@0Heeroyuy01😂 2 year ownership with 45k miles with zero issues. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Toyota stripped down the B58 and told BMW to update parts on it. BMW did and it’s now the most reliable I-6 Turbo engine in the world. I have zero issues with electronics too.
I like novelty connection with older models which is good for all brands not just Nissan. Not a big fan of Nissan due to interior quality and lay outs. But looks great from outside. I think i saw one on streets. But in Australia we don't have such a problem with dealers as you facing.
I got my performance Blue AT for MSRP in Indiana, I found a great Dealership who was transparent in pricing, and once we shook hands the deal was done, so I’m feeling blessed.
I grew up in Appleton and I'm watching this racking my brain to remember where some good driving roads are within 25-30 miles or so. A dealer near me had one in silver/grey but had a 15k markup on it. Talked to really good sales guy about it for a while and basically did everything but drive it (kind of asking for a deposit first) What I would LOVE for Nissan to do is a sub-base model with everything EXCEPT the turbos - something that would run on regular gas. Kind of like the 5.0 Mustangs where the owner can do whateverthehell they want with it. really enjoyed the video love hearing the WI matter of fact no BS
Glad you got your hands on it. I’ve personally seen more lambos on the road than have Nissan Zs. Only seen 2 since it was announced. They’re definitely a nice sight when they do pop up.
Undoubtedly, even after all the press and reviews, the Z continues to be the car I want next. I said that a year ago when I had a Miata and switched to a GTI due to the dealership markups on the Z and I continue to say it now after switching again to a 350Z. The formula is right. The aesthetics are beyond a perfect match for me. I don't even need aftermarket bodykit, just suspension. But like you said, if Nissan Corporate can't scold their dealers then no one is going to be able to get one. People who can afford these prices will get a proper German sports car and people who love this car can't walk into a dealer and be taken seriously. It's the same with other cars in this range, the Integra Type S, CTR, Supra...dealers think we're willing to shell out 80k on a 40-50k car, but the handful of customers they get are actually exiling the rest of us who would buy if it were available.
Man you hit the nail on the head with markup. I had been following this car since they announced it and put aside about $25k to quickly get ahead of the negative equity. Then I saw the markups… totally made me look more seriously at a Supra. Think I may go that route instead, it’s ostensibly a better car for the money.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 the word means something appears to be true but not necessarily. So depending on who you talk to, the Supra is better. Good clarification for you cupcake?
@@tslay7928 more like appears to be true but not actually, like saying "the ordered an arrest warrant, ostensibly for failing to pay taxes", aka it's just an excuse and not the actual reason. So no, it means the opposite of what you're intending.
I feel like if you're going to modify it, you might as well get an older 350 or 370 and just mod that. You could buy some really nice suspension, tires, and other accessories plus the car for well under the MSRP of a new Z. 🤷🏻♀️
I put my deposit down and was on a list for months before I finally gave up. I have seen 1 on the road in the whole time the car has been out. The dealership never gave me a straight answer on markup either. Got tired of waiting and got my deposit back and took my name off the list. Would probably still be waiting 2 years later.
As someone with a 370 Nismo in my history, the only reason I am not driving one is the dealer mark up. I will not pay the ridiculous mark up request and will just keep on with my Porsche instead.
Is not Nissan exclusively mark up proces, even ford dealership doing the same with Mustang GT. Toyota is doing the same with Corolla and the Zupra. Manufacturers should sell without dealerships
I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 370z. I'm a huge fan. I would pay $40k for the "new" Z with an LSD. I won't pay $50k+ for it. This car is a 370z with an engine swap, body kit, and some interior tech upgrades. It shouldn't cost $50k+. The absurd, predatory dealer mark-ups are just icing on the cake.
I have a 370Z and a great relationship with my local Nissan dealer and a particular sales guy there I'm buddies with (multiple cars bought including Z's) They had a new white Z, manual. I went and checked it out but decided to pass because the markup (though I guess 5k isn't bad compared to what I've heard). Anyway, my buddy who works there said it sold shortly after to a guy in Chicago who flew out, paid for it and drove it back. This dealer has only gotten that one so far. It's kinda dumb how rare they are.
20 bucks says theres a new trim/edition that combines an LSD, new suspension, better manual transmission, and better tire options in like a year or so. Nismo Black Whatever edition lol. R35 has changed and had a ton of editions too that basically moulded it into a different car (the GTR50 the best looking R35 ever btw) Hopefully after this dealer markup madness situation gets handled in some way.
I’m a tech but the first z we had was manual and sold for ~50k over msrp, the auto we got sold for ~16k over msrp. Can’t wait to see what the nismo goes for lol
Without watching…no Edit: why won’t anyone admit it’s the 370z we wanted, which was almost the 350z we wanted. Its chassis is directly shared with the 370z, but is it more then just gussied up? Who cares, well I don’t care, it’s not special, or new, it’s a Big Mac wrapped in a bit of butcher paper and dressed on a plate, with tax and wait added to it for anticipation…..I just want the promised item at its promised price, not an ass tickle then a nut punch, I’m just not into it. I agree with you in other words, I love it, hate the gouging and more then that the gate keeping.
It’s sad too none of them are numbered there’s a very limited amount in the states I believe it’s 250 but yeah Nissan did good but missed out in the small ways
By the time the Z gets an update, it will probably be in the realm of $100k. The Z was the most affordable sports car and now It has become almost impossible to buy for the majority.
Honestly I was super super excited for this car but that price killed it for me and every want for this car was gone, I ended up just buying a 3.8 genesis coupe
I've only been under one of these new Zs for an oil change but i didn't see a delrend bushing under the car. Just rubber. Hell, delrend bushings are standard now even on mid market SUV's for their toe and camber arms. I'm always gonna bat for Bridgestone Tires. Re-71R are a darn autocross cheat code. Whatever direction you go with the car Z1motorsports got you.
Another WI guy here, and trading my WRX for a Z might be OK....but no way am I going to pay over MSRP. The car just doesn't merit it. I had high hopes for the NISMO version.....but no stick available. Seriously, Nissan? What were you thinking? Subaru did the same thing to the WRX...and it's weak enough that I bought the base model instead. C'mon designers - if you're going to build a car for enthusiasts, equip it for enthusiasts, not suburban commuters who are going to buy a Prius or Model 3 anyway.
Seems like a better option than upgrading this car would be to sell it while the market is good and buy a better car. If somehow you could get a stock corvette at MSRP ($65,895) I wonder how it would compare to the Z? Also I just don’t understand the love for these underwhelming Japanese sports cars. They beat down American cars in the 90s and now Camaro, mustangs, and challengers are just “better” cars.
I'm a currently in a 06 g35 coupe looking for something newer soon my budget is not enough for the z the 19/20 kia stinger gt1 seeming like a fun daily for the price
the stinger/g70 is an extremely fun platform that performs well and has nice luxuries to it. Sure it doesn't have as much aftermarket support as a BMW or a Z but I promise they are extremely fun to drive. Especially once you JB4 upgrade it or do a bigger twin turbo kit (pricy) but it would definitely be lots of fun. I got a 2020 G70 advanced with the sports package with 37k miles at 35k. Even stock its too fun. Value to price proposition is honestly much better than a supra or a Z or any American pony car. I'd recommend it.
Coilovers suspension kit upgraded exhuast keep it around 400 to 500 hp and enjoy it beat it track it just drive it and make those awesome cinematic videos and get me one at msrp 👀💜
What can Nissan do about dealerships other than sending a really strongly worded letter to stop the markups. Dealerships are usually independent franchises of their affiliated automaker, so the makers can't really do anything about it. You can thank huge dealership groups that lobby for shit like this.
I saw this new Z with that ugly grill and headlights along with the awful computer screen gauges, and I bought a 370z. I never see the Z but I was told sales were on hold because the automatics are slipping out of park. Nissan could’ve sold manual only Zs but most would be upset. I wanted a sports car with real analog gauges, a naturally aspirated engine to mod, and a manual transmission. I love my 370z. The Nissan Z however is a disappointment and that’s sad because I’m a Nissan fan.
You could buy a lightly used 370Z and mod it to the moon and back for less than the cost of the new Z. I don't understand what the appeal is. All it can offer is superior tech features and a nicer interior, but the Z is not an Infiniti, it's a pure driver's car and that's what it was always meant to be. The dealers are trying to price what should be a stripped down sports car into Audi and BMW territory which doesn't make any financial sense because it won't be competitive. They're banking on nostalgia to sell these cars which is a huge mistake. I love the Z cars and always have, but I'd have to be absolutely blazed out of my gourd to pay 60 or 70 grand for a car that's pretty unimpressive out of the box. Only 400bhp from a twin turbo setup? Come on.
I got a 6speed g37s and all these bad moves nissan/infiniti is making is making me want to get a Cadillac ATS-V. Making the nismo auto only was icing on the cake. Bye nissan ✌
People eventually not going to like Nissan? As if Altimas haven’t ruined the name of the community enough. Getting laughed at when walking into a Nissan dealership doesn’t help at all. Nissan really need to treat themselves with some respect.
I agree with you 1000% on most of this. This car is on a 350z chassis 20+ years old. It's way too much money for a car that's missing a lot of modern features that would have arguably fixed a lot of the problems. For 52k+ for a Performance version - it should have magnetic ride, adjustable exhaust, and heads up display. This car should be 45k max for a loaded performance as it sits now. And why are these things so hard to find? The only ones I've seen have been way overpriced (25k+ dealer markup). Has anyone compared the ride to a 2003 (stock) 350z track model? I bet the 350z would feel 20x more sports car than this one.
I may be wrong on this but im 90% sure its on a 370z chassis. Still very old. I'm a big Z guy ive owned my 2009 370z for about a year. I'm just disapointed that basic bolt-ons on a naturally aspirated 370 will make the same power as the twin turbo power-train in the new Z. Makes no sense that they decided to go for forced induction
This car is built directly on the 370z, which was a different chassis than the 350z. Mechanically the "new" Z has more in common with the 370z than the 370z did with the 350z. Yes, it's still quite old, but not 20 years old.
@@hartsickdisciplethe 370z was a “new chassis” but even when it came out NISSAN said they carried the older generation chassis, but it was stiffened and shortened. The 370z is a tweaked 350z. 350z has a longer wheelbase but they’re nearly identical.
@@VZBudgetBuildz That's really not true, and here's why. The 350z used the 1st generation FM platform, while the 370z used the 2nd generation FM. There are almost no shared parts between a 350 and 370z. The manual transmission is one of the only shared parts between the 2 models. They use the same basic design language, but so did almost every Nissan designed during that era. The 2 cars have different bones and about 98% different parts. 350 and 370z have completely different greenhouses. That's the roofline and glass. That's the biggest giveaway as to whether or not a car is truly "all new." The "new" Z has the same greenhouse as the 370. The car literally is a 370z with a body kit, engine swap, a couple suspension tweaks, and some new interior tech shoehorned in. All the bones of the chassis and interior are straight carry-over from the 370. It's a Z34.5 That was not the case with the 350 and 370. The Z34 was a new car with almost no carry-over parts from the Z33.
Props to you Alex for calling out Nissan and their stealerships! I went through the exact same pain as I have always wanted to own a Z and have been tracking the development of this one since 2020 like yourself. I had my money ready to go and when I started to see them showing up on USA Shores, I started what became a ONE YEAR journey to buy it. I have a list of at least 25+ dealerships around the USA and NO dealership would not go less than $10k over MSRP with me. The saddest part like you pointed out that this entire time Nissan has said and done NOTHING at all. It’s so sad. They even pulled all the Nissan Z commercials and marketing eventually. At the end of April 2023 I decided I had enough of Nissan’s BS and bought a 2023 BRZ Limited and I couldn’t be happier. Also what's even worse, as time wore on, I kept track of Z Facebook and Reddit groups and it seems the Nissan Z online community has became more and more toxic and unsupportive as the Haves and Have-Nots start to clash. Let’s just see how much the mark ups are gonna be with this new Nismo version
I waited for the Z to come out and when it did the local dealers were asking over $20,000 over MSRP. I'm not paying the crazy markups. I bought a 2023 Mazda MX-5 and don't regret it for a minute.
My dealer in Salt Lake told me to expect no less than 15k markup when I called to order mine. FUCK THAT. almost 70k for a Z that performs worse than every competing car on the market. I don't give af about the whole "oh but it's all Japanese, not a BMW" croud of mouth breathers who will never buy this car. If I'm spending 70k on a car, I want it to perform likle a 70k car.
I'm with you man, I worked at a Nissan dealership and Ford and no young buyers even bought new cars, because they're so dam expensive and even for the older people who would purchase these trucks and expensive altimas a $800+ monthly payment is sad.
@@rxklastz1770 I remember trying to buy a Focus RS in 2018 and the dude tried selling it to me for 60k. I looked at him and im like "why tf would I pay 60k for a focus when I can get that gt350 on the show room for the same price" and he had no answer to it. Then had the audacity to call me a week later and asked if i was still interested in it, like f off LMAO
My dad and I were so excited to get our hands on a Z when we saw the preview. He had a 280z back in the day ive had a 350z. I can’t imagine paying dealer markup on one considering its the same z platform as everything before it. People in their mid 20s 30s could’ve gotten this en masse at 40k. I think Nissan could’ve built a new GTR or Z and opted for a z. The business strategy should’ve been to sell as many as these as possible and not make it some mythic rare car. If they came out with a new GTR then fine make it a 250k world beater. But this is a z its supposed to be an every man’s sports. I loved the way these 400z look especially compared to the type r or wrx or brz. This car had some maturity to it. It’s a shame more of these wont be out there anytime soon because of dealerships. In the mean time I’ve got a s2000 and SL55 AMG to wrench on.
I think it’s the fact that dealerships in general are just really scummy right now. I was lucky to get my civic si for only a $1000 dollar markup. Wish all the luck for those trying to get these though!
Short answer, no not for $40-$50K. It's a re-skinned 370Z with a Merc transmission and Q50 engine. Hell, if you look at the bottom of the chassis, a damn Subaru Crosstrek is more flatter and aerodynamic. For $35K though, it can be killer after you do a bunch of mods. (Edit: Speaking as a former 350Z owner in 2003 and overall GT-R fan)
I think the price really is the biggest issue. Like you said, the excuse of "It's a Nissan, it's meant to be modified and completed to your liking" holds much more water when the car isn't $50k to start.
@@Ace331FTW Exactly, I remember the launch video reviews and it boiled down to really needing suspension mods, and better tires to even get it to perform closer to a sports car. And then the weird gap from $40K base to the $50K performance model doesn't help. My old 350Z (wherever it is now) I remember deciding between Base, Touring, Enthusiast, and Track. Ultimately ended with touring. I know it's ancient times now, but it was nice to have in between model options.
@@Ace331FTW Ah and man not to bombard you with too many comments. But damn I just looked on autotrader and some of these things dealers asking for $65-$80K lol. Insane.
The 370z touring was 35k when it came out in 2009. A v6 camry goes for 35k in today's market. The new brz is pretty much 35k with options too. No way in hell nissan was gonna sell their mid range sports car for 35k in 2023.
So what's wrong with having a great 9-speed Mercedes transmission beautiful twin turbo V6 from Infinity new styling the is pretty much new it has a new interior also for example the new Mustang is much less new than what this new Z is so I wish people would actually think about what they're saying
Dealerships are ruining the potential for a jdm revival. Dealer markups and "market adjustments" are pricing them out of reach of the younger guys who would traditionally buy an entry level sports car like this. They're pricing them along with cars like BMW and Porsche. Obvious choice if you have the money. They're digging their own graves with the greed.
It's interesting seeing so much of the discourse revolve around the pricing of the car after mark-ups, which looks like mainly a USA issue, is overshadowing the qualities of the car itself. The car itself is undoubtedly better than the previous generations, and considering inflation over time and how much previous generation Z prices were at launch, its probably where it should be with its MSRP. The car isnt practical, it isnt affordable to most people, but we cant just reminisce like its 2003 all over again and that everything was more affordable.
Nissan has not done the dynamic suspension as much as other cars for one reason .....reliability. Every single factory "dynamic" suspension adjustment do not often last past 100,000kms... (and many well before that...cough Alfa...)
90's Nissans describes my childhood when it comes to cars! I'ma Nissan guy for sure! But with that being said this should of been a 35k car! The ppl that want this car could give a fck about fancy modern amenities offered in higher end vehicles, if we cared about that stuff we wouldn't of fell for the 90's cars that lack most of it (beside the 300z) all Nissan had to do was make a fast pure sports car, pretty much the same way Mitsubishi did the Evo how they kept it simple, and the New Z would destroy the Supra in sales (if there was no mark up) all I need is Bluetooth for music, 3 peddles, and the ability to get her sideways and im good 😎
The fails the "public road test". In that, on a public road, you can't reach the car's limits. So you are better off buying a much cheaper sports car like GR86. (Which you can totally throttle on public roads. And you save about $10k).
I owned a 350Z for 10 years. It was my favorite car of all time and I was really looking forward to getting this new Z. But with all the crap the dealers have been doing with it, I'm not going to bother. Screw Nissan and their BS. I'll stick to German cars till I can get my hands on a Skyline.
bro try living in canada, nissan canada took preorder deposits in 2022 of january directly. Fast foward now of august 2023, no information in regards to my car and nothing has been produced/delivered, at least in the states you guys are actually getting cars
It bothers me in 2023 you can't get a type r you can't get a corolla gr you can't get a Nissan Z the supra is 80k and the only car you can seemingly get your hands on for not a mark up is the mustang gt. It's like thanks imports for giving us these great cars. But literally.... Where are they?
I considered the Z only to find the dealership around me asking for $75k...which was apparently a drop from the $90k tag a few months back.....trippin'
Reminds me of the focus rs back in the day major hype and genuinely a great affordable car but was killed by the dealerships making it almost unobtainable
I still see them going for $40k with 50k miles on them around here. You got me fucked up if you think I'm gonna pay over MSRP for a now 6 year old car that has more overheating issues than it should.
Buy escape, same stuff
Currently have 2x Z's right now (one being a datsun), and I lost faith in the new Z solely because of the stupid markups. When my budget frees enough for another sports car, I'll probably end up going for the Supra for the same price. (Which is sad)
Ahem Veloster N
And Ford using the wrong head gaskets
I despise dealerships. I've yet to have an interaction with a dealership where I didn't feel like I was being ripped off. One of the worst was when I already had a loan approved, I had some cash in my pocket, drove an hour and a half to a dealership only to have them refuse to sell me a car unless I financed through them. And this was long before the pandemic. That's why I've bought my last two cars through carvana. No BS or haggling. Bought a car in like 30 minutes and it showed up to my house in a couple of days.
Private party. This is the way.
I completely feel you on calling out the dealerships. I too am from WI and had a "chance" at proto spec Z, only to find out they were asking $92k. Ended up randomly finding a dealership in Dubuque, IA with a performance spec at MSRP but the experience was extremely tiring. But glad to see there's another yellow Z here in WI other than myself!
I love my RZ34. I’ll be making some noise this year with it 😉
I wanna see you do a comparison between this and a Supra haha. Bias or unbiased idec. 😂
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I'd buy the Z over the supra but the supra is heads and tails better then the Z
@@mapko15 No you wouldn't, I promise you that. If you were in the position to and sat in and drove both, the Supra is on a entirely different level than the Z. In terms of engine, transmission, suspension, build quality. And you can get Supras for MSRP. I was so excited for the Z and so astronomically disapointed when it finally got here. Such a shame.
@@mylesG23 I get that but my first sports car was a 350z that I had for 6 years and I miss to this day so for me its nostalgia and a personal connection otherwise yeah supra is much better car
@@mylesG23drove both and I went with the z
Honestly I'm considering the Supra or Z but I'm probably gonna go with the Supra. The B58 is such a beast and also the infotainment system is better. That's all. Both cars have amazing Manuel and auto.
Lol, 350z or 370z never had transmission issues, they are not CVT, i had 350z nismo to a regular 370z never had an transmission issue.
id recommend a serious look at the Z.
the supra is BMW and once it breaks that first time it will be a show queen and you will rarely get to actually drive it, and since it is BMW hope you have a good paying job b/c the parts will cost you
@@0Heeroyuy01😂 2 year ownership with 45k miles with zero issues. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Toyota stripped down the B58 and told BMW to update parts on it. BMW did and it’s now the most reliable I-6 Turbo engine in the world. I have zero issues with electronics too.
@@touayaaj84 exactly ppl think just cuz the Supra has B58 its unreliable. The new Supra is super reliable.
The supra sucks to live with. The cabin experience is terrible.
I like novelty connection with older models which is good for all brands not just Nissan. Not a big fan of Nissan due to interior quality and lay outs. But looks great from outside. I think i saw one on streets. But in Australia we don't have such a problem with dealers as you facing.
I got my performance Blue AT for MSRP in Indiana, I found a great Dealership who was transparent in pricing, and once we shook hands the deal was done, so I’m feeling blessed.
I grew up in Appleton and I'm watching this racking my brain to remember where some good driving roads are within 25-30 miles or so. A dealer near me had one in silver/grey but had a 15k markup on it. Talked to really good sales guy about it for a while and basically did everything but drive it (kind of asking for a deposit first) What I would LOVE for Nissan to do is a sub-base model with everything EXCEPT the turbos - something that would run on regular gas. Kind of like the 5.0 Mustangs where the owner can do whateverthehell they want with it.
really enjoyed the video love hearing the WI matter of fact no BS
Glad you got your hands on it. I’ve personally seen more lambos on the road than have Nissan Zs. Only seen 2 since it was announced. They’re definitely a nice sight when they do pop up.
If the mark up's are bad now, i don't even wanna think about nismo Z dealer price tag.
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Undoubtedly, even after all the press and reviews, the Z continues to be the car I want next. I said that a year ago when I had a Miata and switched to a GTI due to the dealership markups on the Z and I continue to say it now after switching again to a 350Z. The formula is right. The aesthetics are beyond a perfect match for me. I don't even need aftermarket bodykit, just suspension. But like you said, if Nissan Corporate can't scold their dealers then no one is going to be able to get one. People who can afford these prices will get a proper German sports car and people who love this car can't walk into a dealer and be taken seriously. It's the same with other cars in this range, the Integra Type S, CTR, Supra...dealers think we're willing to shell out 80k on a 40-50k car, but the handful of customers they get are actually exiling the rest of us who would buy if it were available.
I would love to see you basically make the Z more sports car and make the car sharper handling and a bit more of a backroad fun car than a cruiser
Gimme the keys, I'm curious how long it can go without oil
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Drifting looks like the perfect use for those stock tires. 😁 (And the perfect excuse to upgrade to some sticky tires once you burn through them.)
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Man you hit the nail on the head with markup. I had been following this car since they announced it and put aside about $25k to quickly get ahead of the negative equity. Then I saw the markups… totally made me look more seriously at a Supra. Think I may go that route instead, it’s ostensibly a better car for the money.
I don't think you know what ostensibly means
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 the word means something appears to be true but not necessarily. So depending on who you talk to, the Supra is better. Good clarification for you cupcake?
@@tslay7928 more like appears to be true but not actually, like saying "the ordered an arrest warrant, ostensibly for failing to pay taxes", aka it's just an excuse and not the actual reason. So no, it means the opposite of what you're intending.
I feel like if you're going to modify it, you might as well get an older 350 or 370 and just mod that. You could buy some really nice suspension, tires, and other accessories plus the car for well under the MSRP of a new Z. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm just remebering the interview with the Nissan VP where he said it was going to be "significantly cheaper than 35k" and the base is 40k lol
I put my deposit down and was on a list for months before I finally gave up. I have seen 1 on the road in the whole time the car has been out. The dealership never gave me a straight answer on markup either. Got tired of waiting and got my deposit back and took my name off the list. Would probably still be waiting 2 years later.
As someone with a 370 Nismo in my history, the only reason I am not driving one is the dealer mark up. I will not pay the ridiculous mark up request and will just keep on with my Porsche instead.
Is not Nissan exclusively mark up proces, even ford dealership doing the same with Mustang GT. Toyota is doing the same with Corolla and the Zupra. Manufacturers should sell without dealerships
I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 370z. I'm a huge fan. I would pay $40k for the "new" Z with an LSD. I won't pay $50k+ for it. This car is a 370z with an engine swap, body kit, and some interior tech upgrades. It shouldn't cost $50k+. The absurd, predatory dealer mark-ups are just icing on the cake.
I’m sorry Alex is the new supra , Just a read badge BMW Z3 I’m sorry this is not worth it, but keep doing what you doing bro
You mean a z4? And an M spec at that. Keep crying though
I have a 370Z and a great relationship with my local Nissan dealer and a particular sales guy there I'm buddies with (multiple cars bought including Z's) They had a new white Z, manual. I went and checked it out but decided to pass because the markup (though I guess 5k isn't bad compared to what I've heard). Anyway, my buddy who works there said it sold shortly after to a guy in Chicago who flew out, paid for it and drove it back. This dealer has only gotten that one so far. It's kinda dumb how rare they are.
i live in dallas and still haven't seen one in public yet lol, idk where the hell these cars are.
Same here in Chicago, i havent seen a single one on the road and i drive a lot.
In Italy it costs 104.500€ and there's only a single dealership selling them...
It needs a removable targa top!
20 bucks says theres a new trim/edition that combines an LSD, new suspension, better manual transmission, and better tire options in like a year or so. Nismo Black Whatever edition lol. R35 has changed and had a ton of editions too that basically moulded it into a different car (the GTR50 the best looking R35 ever btw) Hopefully after this dealer markup madness situation gets handled in some way.
Alex preaching 👏🏼🔥
Jesus. How is it even legal to charge $40k markups? That's obscene.
I’m a tech but the first z we had was manual and sold for ~50k over msrp, the auto we got sold for ~16k over msrp. Can’t wait to see what the nismo goes for lol
Dude how do you not boycott your own dealership 💀 Just jokes, we all gotta put food on the table lol
@@Cal-El I’m a technician. Sales and service departments operate VERY independently. The craziest part is that someone is actually buying them lol
I live in North Dallas Texas and have yet to see one.
Without watching…no
Edit: why won’t anyone admit it’s the 370z we wanted, which was almost the 350z we wanted. Its chassis is directly shared with the 370z, but is it more then just gussied up? Who cares, well I don’t care, it’s not special, or new, it’s a Big Mac wrapped in a bit of butcher paper and dressed on a plate, with tax and wait added to it for anticipation…..I just want the promised item at its promised price, not an ass tickle then a nut punch, I’m just not into it. I agree with you in other words, I love it, hate the gouging and more then that the gate keeping.
It's a freaking REFRESH.. ain't no way.. get a Q60rs and turn way more heads
I love driving my 2023 Nissan Z
It’s sad too none of them are numbered there’s a very limited amount in the states I believe it’s 250 but yeah Nissan did good but missed out in the small ways
By the time the Z gets an update, it will probably be in the realm of $100k. The Z was the most affordable sports car and now It has become almost impossible to buy for the majority.
Never heard of a supper club before I spent last week in Wisconsin. Certainly would have given that reference a 🤨 before that.
Honestly I was super super excited for this car but that price killed it for me and every want for this car was gone, I ended up just buying a 3.8 genesis coupe
I've only been under one of these new Zs for an oil change but i didn't see a delrend bushing under the car. Just rubber. Hell, delrend bushings are standard now even on mid market SUV's for their toe and camber arms. I'm always gonna bat for Bridgestone Tires. Re-71R are a darn autocross cheat code. Whatever direction you go with the car Z1motorsports got you.
I have the money in the bank for a Z but they turned me off with their up charging. I bought another RHD tuner instead.
Haven't seen any of these on the road yet, but I'm seeing more Supras out there.
Another WI guy here, and trading my WRX for a Z might be OK....but no way am I going to pay over MSRP. The car just doesn't merit it. I had high hopes for the NISMO version.....but no stick available. Seriously, Nissan? What were you thinking? Subaru did the same thing to the WRX...and it's weak enough that I bought the base model instead. C'mon designers - if you're going to build a car for enthusiasts, equip it for enthusiasts, not suburban commuters who are going to buy a Prius or Model 3 anyway.
Was that a sid the sloth reference?
Very disappointed that this nismo is only available in a 9 speed
Where in Wisconsin are you based? I know of one in stock right now?
Yasssss, you're the man!!! We'll finally get to see one now at the car shows, thanks to you 😅😅😂.
I totally agree with you
0:43 bro that is not how one says "plague"
Seems like a better option than upgrading this car would be to sell it while the market is good and buy a better car.
If somehow you could get a stock corvette at MSRP ($65,895) I wonder how it would compare to the Z?
Also I just don’t understand the love for these underwhelming Japanese sports cars.
They beat down American cars in the 90s and now Camaro, mustangs, and challengers are just “better” cars.
is this the same dude in Fitmentindustries
I'm a currently in a 06 g35 coupe looking for something newer soon my budget is not enough for the z the 19/20 kia stinger gt1 seeming like a fun daily for the price
the stinger/g70 is an extremely fun platform that performs well and has nice luxuries to it. Sure it doesn't have as much aftermarket support as a BMW or a Z but I promise they are extremely fun to drive. Especially once you JB4 upgrade it or do a bigger twin turbo kit (pricy) but it would definitely be lots of fun. I got a 2020 G70 advanced with the sports package with 37k miles at 35k. Even stock its too fun. Value to price proposition is honestly much better than a supra or a Z or any American pony car. I'd recommend it.
You should build it into a rally car
Coilovers suspension kit upgraded exhuast keep it around 400 to 500 hp and enjoy it beat it track it just drive it and make those awesome cinematic videos and get me one at msrp 👀💜
ahh the good old Stealerships
Wish it was optional awd. We need an affordable gtr that's manual
its not when the q60 awd red sport beats it and u can get them anytime
What can Nissan do about dealerships other than sending a really strongly worded letter to stop the markups. Dealerships are usually independent franchises of their affiliated automaker, so the makers can't really do anything about it. You can thank huge dealership groups that lobby for shit like this.
What gets me, is people pay it ! Why? Let them eat it!
They aren't making the Q60 anymore? Is it to avoid cutting into Z sales?
I saw this new Z with that ugly grill and headlights along with the awful computer screen gauges, and I bought a 370z. I never see the Z but I was told sales were on hold because the automatics are slipping out of park. Nissan could’ve sold manual only Zs but most would be upset. I wanted a sports car with real analog gauges, a naturally aspirated engine to mod, and a manual transmission. I love my 370z. The Nissan Z however is a disappointment and that’s sad because I’m a Nissan fan.
I'm in Missouri, I've seen 3 so far. I've seen more Uruses than Zs. Lol
I'm waiting for a convertible version
I wish I could just set it to comfort+
What milage you think the valve body gives up... im not replacing one... again 😂
You could buy a lightly used 370Z and mod it to the moon and back for less than the cost of the new Z. I don't understand what the appeal is. All it can offer is superior tech features and a nicer interior, but the Z is not an Infiniti, it's a pure driver's car and that's what it was always meant to be. The dealers are trying to price what should be a stripped down sports car into Audi and BMW territory which doesn't make any financial sense because it won't be competitive. They're banking on nostalgia to sell these cars which is a huge mistake. I love the Z cars and always have, but I'd have to be absolutely blazed out of my gourd to pay 60 or 70 grand for a car that's pretty unimpressive out of the box. Only 400bhp from a twin turbo setup? Come on.
But the z car has always been more of a gt car than sports coupe. The sports role is filled by the s chassis
Hey! New Braunfels Nissan! That place is less than a mile from me. What a POS dealership! Never go there!
I got a 6speed g37s and all these bad moves nissan/infiniti is making is making me want to get a Cadillac ATS-V. Making the nismo auto only was icing on the cake. Bye nissan ✌
It’s significantly slower than the supra doesn’t sound as good not as prestigious and has the Nissan unreliability factor I’d opt for the BMW supra.
People eventually not going to like Nissan? As if Altimas haven’t ruined the name of the community enough. Getting laughed at when walking into a Nissan dealership doesn’t help at all. Nissan really need to treat themselves with some respect.
As a current Subie guy, Nissan was my first love. Would love to see this platform really take off in hopes to see a new s chassis make a comeback.
Same man, same.
Not gonna happen lol but definitely wishful thinkn. This is also coming from a nissan fanboy and 350z owner
@@AlexMartini.already saw one for sale at my local lot
This platform DID take off. Considering this platform is the same one as the 350z….
First car was a 96 Nissan 240sx SE, loved that car. Now drive a Subaru in Toyota clothing.
I agree with you 1000% on most of this. This car is on a 350z chassis 20+ years old. It's way too much money for a car that's missing a lot of modern features that would have arguably fixed a lot of the problems. For 52k+ for a Performance version - it should have magnetic ride, adjustable exhaust, and heads up display. This car should be 45k max for a loaded performance as it sits now.
And why are these things so hard to find? The only ones I've seen have been way overpriced (25k+ dealer markup).
Has anyone compared the ride to a 2003 (stock) 350z track model? I bet the 350z would feel 20x more sports car than this one.
I may be wrong on this but im 90% sure its on a 370z chassis. Still very old. I'm a big Z guy ive owned my 2009 370z for about a year. I'm just disapointed that basic bolt-ons on a naturally aspirated 370 will make the same power as the twin turbo power-train in the new Z. Makes no sense that they decided to go for forced induction
This car is built directly on the 370z, which was a different chassis than the 350z. Mechanically the "new" Z has more in common with the 370z than the 370z did with the 350z. Yes, it's still quite old, but not 20 years old.
@@hartsickdisciplethe 370z was a “new chassis” but even when it came out NISSAN said they carried the older generation chassis, but it was stiffened and shortened. The 370z is a tweaked 350z. 350z has a longer wheelbase but they’re nearly identical.
@@VZBudgetBuildz That's really not true, and here's why. The 350z used the 1st generation FM platform, while the 370z used the 2nd generation FM. There are almost no shared parts between a 350 and 370z. The manual transmission is one of the only shared parts between the 2 models. They use the same basic design language, but so did almost every Nissan designed during that era. The 2 cars have different bones and about 98% different parts.
350 and 370z have completely different greenhouses. That's the roofline and glass. That's the biggest giveaway as to whether or not a car is truly "all new." The "new" Z has the same greenhouse as the 370. The car literally is a 370z with a body kit, engine swap, a couple suspension tweaks, and some new interior tech shoehorned in. All the bones of the chassis and interior are straight carry-over from the 370. It's a Z34.5
That was not the case with the 350 and 370. The Z34 was a new car with almost no carry-over parts from the Z33.
370z chassis not 350z
Props to you Alex for calling out Nissan and their stealerships! I went through the exact same pain as I have always wanted to own a Z and have been tracking the development of this one since 2020 like yourself. I had my money ready to go and when I started to see them showing up on USA Shores, I started what became a ONE YEAR journey to buy it. I have a list of at least 25+ dealerships around the USA and NO dealership would not go less than $10k over MSRP with me. The saddest part like you pointed out that this entire time Nissan has said and done NOTHING at all. It’s so sad. They even pulled all the Nissan Z commercials and marketing eventually.
At the end of April 2023 I decided I had enough of Nissan’s BS and bought a 2023 BRZ Limited and I couldn’t be happier.
Also what's even worse, as time wore on, I kept track of Z Facebook and Reddit groups and it seems the Nissan Z online community has became more and more toxic and unsupportive as the Haves and Have-Nots start to clash.
Let’s just see how much the mark ups are gonna be with this new Nismo version
If you look hard enough you can find a dealership without markups, but you might have to drive hundreds of miles away.
@@fortheloveofnoise Lmao why don't you make a video of how to find one without markups then if it's just sooooo easy?
@@Caffeinated-DaVinciliterally only takes google searches. Maybe move those fat fingers instead of using an insult from 05.
Absolute chad move on the brz. Did you got it msrp?
I waited for the Z to come out and when it did the local dealers were asking over $20,000 over MSRP. I'm not paying the crazy markups. I bought a 2023 Mazda MX-5 and don't regret it for a minute.
My dealer in Salt Lake told me to expect no less than 15k markup when I called to order mine. FUCK THAT. almost 70k for a Z that performs worse than every competing car on the market. I don't give af about the whole "oh but it's all Japanese, not a BMW" croud of mouth breathers who will never buy this car. If I'm spending 70k on a car, I want it to perform likle a 70k car.
I'm with you man, I worked at a Nissan dealership and Ford and no young buyers even bought new cars, because they're so dam expensive and even for the older people who would purchase these trucks and expensive altimas a $800+ monthly payment is sad.
@@rxklastz1770 I remember trying to buy a Focus RS in 2018 and the dude tried selling it to me for 60k. I looked at him and im like "why tf would I pay 60k for a focus when I can get that gt350 on the show room for the same price" and he had no answer to it. Then had the audacity to call me a week later and asked if i was still interested in it, like f off LMAO
@@mylesG23😂He trippin
Exactly
Nissan dealers killed this car. The stop sales didn't help.
dealerships are gonna kill enthusiast cars fr.
My dad and I were so excited to get our hands on a Z when we saw the preview. He had a 280z back in the day ive had a 350z. I can’t imagine paying dealer markup on one considering its the same z platform as everything before it. People in their mid 20s 30s could’ve gotten this en masse at 40k. I think Nissan could’ve built a new GTR or Z and opted for a z. The business strategy should’ve been to sell as many as these as possible and not make it some mythic rare car. If they came out with a new GTR then fine make it a 250k world beater. But this is a z its supposed to be an every man’s sports. I loved the way these 400z look especially compared to the type r or wrx or brz. This car had some maturity to it. It’s a shame more of these wont be out there anytime soon because of dealerships. In the mean time I’ve got a s2000 and SL55 AMG to wrench on.
280zx is what they should bring back. Bulletproof.
I think it’s the fact that dealerships in general are just really scummy right now. I was lucky to get my civic si for only a $1000 dollar markup.
Wish all the luck for those trying to get these though!
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Short answer, no not for $40-$50K. It's a re-skinned 370Z with a Merc transmission and Q50 engine. Hell, if you look at the bottom of the chassis, a damn Subaru Crosstrek is more flatter and aerodynamic. For $35K though, it can be killer after you do a bunch of mods. (Edit: Speaking as a former 350Z owner in 2003 and overall GT-R fan)
I think the price really is the biggest issue. Like you said, the excuse of "It's a Nissan, it's meant to be modified and completed to your liking" holds much more water when the car isn't $50k to start.
@@Ace331FTW Exactly, I remember the launch video reviews and it boiled down to really needing suspension mods, and better tires to even get it to perform closer to a sports car. And then the weird gap from $40K base to the $50K performance model doesn't help.
My old 350Z (wherever it is now) I remember deciding between Base, Touring, Enthusiast, and Track. Ultimately ended with touring. I know it's ancient times now, but it was nice to have in between model options.
@@Ace331FTW Ah and man not to bombard you with too many comments. But damn I just looked on autotrader and some of these things dealers asking for $65-$80K lol. Insane.
The 370z touring was 35k when it came out in 2009. A v6 camry goes for 35k in today's market. The new brz is pretty much 35k with options too. No way in hell nissan was gonna sell their mid range sports car for 35k in 2023.
So what's wrong with having a great 9-speed Mercedes transmission beautiful twin turbo V6 from Infinity new styling the is pretty much new it has a new interior also for example the new Mustang is much less new than what this new Z is so I wish people would actually think about what they're saying
Don't widebody it! Just make it the perfect OEM+ build.
Dealerships are ruining the potential for a jdm revival. Dealer markups and "market adjustments" are pricing them out of reach of the younger guys who would traditionally buy an entry level sports car like this. They're pricing them along with cars like BMW and Porsche. Obvious choice if you have the money.
They're digging their own graves with the greed.
I love how you saying "wheels, tires, and suspension" in a row is burned into your brain 🧠
It's interesting seeing so much of the discourse revolve around the pricing of the car after mark-ups, which looks like mainly a USA issue, is overshadowing the qualities of the car itself.
The car itself is undoubtedly better than the previous generations, and considering inflation over time and how much previous generation Z prices were at launch, its probably where it should be with its MSRP.
The car isnt practical, it isnt affordable to most people, but we cant just reminisce like its 2003 all over again and that everything was more affordable.
Nissan has not done the dynamic suspension as much as other cars for one reason .....reliability.
Every single factory "dynamic" suspension adjustment do not often last past 100,000kms... (and many well before that...cough Alfa...)
90's Nissans describes my childhood when it comes to cars! I'ma Nissan guy for sure! But with that being said this should of been a 35k car! The ppl that want this car could give a fck about fancy modern amenities offered in higher end vehicles, if we cared about that stuff we wouldn't of fell for the 90's cars that lack most of it (beside the 300z) all Nissan had to do was make a fast pure sports car, pretty much the same way Mitsubishi did the Evo how they kept it simple, and the New Z would destroy the Supra in sales (if there was no mark up) all I need is Bluetooth for music, 3 peddles, and the ability to get her sideways and im good 😎
The fails the "public road test". In that, on a public road, you can't reach the car's limits. So you are better off buying a much cheaper sports car like GR86. (Which you can totally throttle on public roads. And you save about $10k).
I owned a 350Z for 10 years. It was my favorite car of all time and I was really looking forward to getting this new Z. But with all the crap the dealers have been doing with it, I'm not going to bother. Screw Nissan and their BS. I'll stick to German cars till I can get my hands on a Skyline.
All I know is you gotta ball out with some really good coilovers. For performance more than looks
i would buy one of these for 40k so fast
bro try living in canada, nissan canada took preorder deposits in 2022 of january directly. Fast foward now of august 2023, no information in regards to my car and nothing has been produced/delivered, at least in the states you guys are actually getting cars
Went to a dealership for a Nissan Z Performance and they wanted 78,000 for it… needless to say I walked
in europe, nissan Z is more expensive then the new 3L supra or GR86.... and sorry, but its not worth it
Luxurious and Z should not be in the same sentence.
At $50k, a Supra is a better car.
Brakes, suspension and tires and a full send at the track. I wanna see the lap times after all that sim racing
Well the dealerships really screwed us over on this car with dealer markups.
It bothers me in 2023 you can't get a type r you can't get a corolla gr you can't get a Nissan Z the supra is 80k and the only car you can seemingly get your hands on for not a mark up is the mustang gt. It's like thanks imports for giving us these great cars. But literally.... Where are they?