The Lineage: HK 416 - Sig 516 - Caracal 816
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My caracal has been solid
I could never find one. Found a 516 14.5 upper and haven't looked back.
@Mrgunsngear. With your personal opinion, would you recommend the carcal 816 for purchase given the current piston driven market?
people are sleeping on them@@OutSciEd
Indeed
How is the gas block on the 816 fastened to the barrel?
I have both the SIG 716 and the SIG 516G2. Both rifles have been extremely reliable and they are among my favorite rifles in my collection. I've always liked these guns and one day would like to own the Caracal 816, HK 416 and SIG MCX Spear and Spear LT's as well.
Excellent review! It bring into propectives on the evolutions of H&K 416 to Sig 516 then to the Caracal 816! Very nice you brought out the technical improvements as the evolution progressed! I have had arguments with people telling how great the H&K416 compare to Sig Sauer 516, my side was the Sig is an improved version of 416 design by same guy Chris Sirous!
Being a thirty years LE officer I have used H&K USP pistols and MP5 excellent guns but their availability of parts, support and cost is ridiculous with proprietary parts which is what H&K does which was well brought out in your video! I've have used Sig Sauer P Series, MPX and P320 they are also premium guns but Sig is more responsive, reasonable with support,cost, parts availability. I had never handle a Caracal 816 so I am unfamilar with it, but do believe it is final evolution and probably the best!
Chris,
Thanks for your fine videos
I never understood the need for gas rings on a piston, considering the need to use less gas until you mentioned thermal signature..Excellent review..
Thae gas rings seal the expansion chamber so the system requires far less gas to operate. Thus less recoil. Without rings, you have to heavily over gas due to gas leaking around the sides of the piston. The thermal signature is caused on the HK because it pushes the gas out the front of the gas block giving off the signature. The Sig and Caracal vent under the handguard so there is no visible thermal signature.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Thanks for explaining that to me..
You do realize your car has gas rings on each piston. It’s to reduce blow by and improve efficiency
We are talking about a rifle piston gas system, not a car engine lol..AK's, FALs, etc, have worked very well without gas rings..I'm not aware of any car piston that worked well without rings..@@MrAngelofdeath777
@@SmallArmsSolutions IF you had to rate from best to "worst", where you put them and where would the POF 415 Edge fit in the rankings?
POF P416 is the best firearm ever produced anywhere.
Respect your opinion. I utterly disagree but respect your opinion
@@SmallArmsSolutions POF P415 or Caracal? 🤔
Thanks, Heather & Chris 👍
1:01 ngl hk calling their gun to the hk416 sounds cool, these derivatives of the sig 516, and caracal 816 are just real cool
Thank You, and Yes I Enjoyed the Education. Now I have to Subscribe to you. And, now I want a Caracal to add with my Sig 516, PWS's, and Wolf's. So, your education will eventually cost me. Only recently have I even started seeing (or paying attention to the name) Caracal pop up with their hand bangs and never paid attention to them. Now that you have explained who they are and their desire to offer good product, I pulled them up while watching and see that they sent me to a common site I've purchased through that has their (Caracal) offerings. You did an excellent job with the history of each.
Ur gonna break some hearts with this one
Awesome video, thank you for all this information! I knew 416 was proprietary but I didn't realize it was THIS proprietary
Awesome comparison!!👍🏼
Thank you
Caracal 816 is the best of the best in ar piston systems . I like my lwrc and LMT , sig , and pof , but that 816 has impressed me.
The SA80 has a captive fireing pin retaining pin. you have to push it out with the combination tool.
Thanks, Chris. Very informative. I think I'll look for a Caracal.
my 416 in the army differed a bit from this. the pins were not retained with a detent, and of course we had the newer flatter stock
These videos only further my appreciation for the standardized AR15 platform and magpul.
In Europe we have another small player, ProArms Armory with their PAR MkIII billet receiver out of Czech republic, I like it a lot, has Lothar Walter barrel and the current version runs flawless.
Thanks for another informative and interesting video! Love the long format content for listening too while doing drone tasks like cleaning guns etc.
Any way you could look into the new bolts coming out that are Similar to KACs dual ejector? From what I understand patents are expiring and I have seen some interesting concepts from KAK and PSA so far
As always well done and great video. I have 3 Sigs 2 516 and a 716 they have been great riles. The 716 / 308 is heavy,, I talking Tank of a gun. I got the Mid West Ind. handguards for the 516s and it was day light and dark differences in weight. They don't make one for the 716 sadly.
@arlissyoung8899, you will eventually regret your purchases. Sig discontinued support for those firearms some years ago. Good luck if you need a proprietary part. If you’re not an idiot fanboi, you will learn to hate Sig….at least their rifles
@@donrichter3523 I found out about the discontinued support of these rifles a very long time ago. Talking to a Rep. at Sig about another subject it came up. I had these rifles for many years and have had great performance out of all 5 of them. These are just some of the many rifles I have and they have stood the test of time. I give credit where it's due regardless of the Manufacturer. If you don't like them or any other Manufacturer then stay away and put your money to better use for yourself. As for me, again they have stood the test of time over many, many years and I don't have any safe Queens along with a number of other Manufacturers.
Here's the thing, everyone likes to hate on the 416, but if not for the 416 the external piston "AR" wouldn't be a thing. At least not to the degree it is now. Additionally when the 416 came on the scene the AR platform as we know it today didn't really exist, and I think to that end the 416 really drove the endurance/durability race that went on for many years after its introduction. The 516/816 are really just exercises in lessons learned, well executed lessons to be sure.
LWRC came out with a piston AR before HK did (and better overall minus the chrome extractor they had at the time).
Taiwan predates HK and LWRC!
bruh the T65 LITERALLY predates them all 😂. HK is a copy
A thousand thanks for this video. I have owned each and never understood the differences. Your review is how I discovered Caracal. Would you please consider doing another contrast / compare with Caracal and POF, LWRC, and LMT? Thanks
I would. I just don’t have access to the POF
I can arrange a POF
I can provide access to a POF @@SmallArmsSolutions
I can see how ext piston would be nice for supressor use (wouldn't know as i live in a blue state 😖), but for regular shooting it seems to cause more issues than it solves. Thanks again Chris!
It is a different way to accomplish the same task. External pistons biggest plus is the Over the Beach conditions as well as short barrel guns. They are less gassy when using baffled suppressors. The newer reverse flow cans, they make this negligible. For normal use, there is absolutely nothing wrong with internal piston. Range guns, yo cant go wrong either way.
I wouldn't say that Sig and Caracal necessarily sought out exclusively to improve the 416 with their changes so much as to work around the existing intellectual property of HK while delivering a piston gun, having said that, the two things are not mutually exclusive either. Parts commonality with the standard AR platforms accomplishes that as well as giving the benefits of better supply logistics, but on occasion those proprietary parts are, inherently, a better design. When that happens a decision has to be made about what is more important. Incidentally there's nothing inherently wrong about having to work around your previous intellectual property, a strong case could be made that this is why John Moses Browning's designs are as vast, and cover as many different ways of approaching a problem as they do. I have a 11.5" 816 and while I'm not a huge piston AR guy, it is by far my favorite so I'm not knocking either Caracal or Sig.
Not at all. Had nothing to do with intellectual property. It was to make a better gun. If you want to talk about IP, nearly every gun out there uses AR18 design. The 416 was the starting point, examination of strengths and weaknesses. Use that info to build a better gun.
Great videos Sir!
Has the UAE released any AARs about the Caracal 816s use in action with the Houthis?
I wish you had also reviewed LWRCi’s piston AR in this video. Maybe next time.
I do have a video on the LWRCI IC. It’s a real early one. It’s called LWRCO Individual Carbine and Silencerco Suppressor . Perhaps it is time to do a revisit
Are any of the proprietary caracal 816 components interchangeable with the sig 516? BCG, gas system parts, handguards?
I have SIG516s. Have not "pulled trigger" on 816 but it is 300 better, obviously!
Caracal 816 A2 vs BRN 4?
Do these guns have a bushing affixed to the upper through which the piston rod passes?
Sig 516 would go down in history as the greatest AR ever made had the retail price been $3,000 .. It is the greatest rifle made to date. Sush. Don’t tell anyone… more for the ones who know. MR556 is absolutely the farthest thing from a HK416. Literally
USMC M27 IAR (Infantry Automatic Rifle) aka the HK 416… Kill.
🎶Meet me down by the railroad track, track. 🎶
Chris, have you ever heard anything about Sig & Caracal having any sort of business arrangement regarding the 516?
Any idea why sig doesnt offer the 516 anymore? I remember the uppers being pretty modestly priced.
They still offer the 516 to Law Enforcement and Military. Their new flagship is the MCX. It appears that is what they are pushing in the commercial market. It is a truly unique product to them. I really cannot say why, you would have to ask Sig direct.
Is there anyway to get spare 516 BCGs? I have one and thers my main concern
As a by-stander , no dog in the game and a casual watcher of the channel, it seems like you have a bit of a "dislike" (nothing wrong with it) to the 416. It's not a perfect rifle by any mean, but given the circumstances of when/where it was introduced, it is still a rifle that punch above its weight and have aged rather nicely. Also, if you read more into the "MR" line of HK (stands for match rifle) and how the German export laws works, i think you probably would have a slightly different look on why the civilian market of HK is that way. Not saying that HK doesn't have any fault here but people loves to bash the 416 without all of the context behind why/how HK does things a lot of the time.
I own many HK’s. I call things as I see them. I don’t get anything from any of those companies. No percentages or interests.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Oh I'm not saying that you are doing anybody by taking favors or anything. I tend to watch your takes on things because I know you don't do others manufacturers favors. But just want to note that sometime the way you voice your opinions make it seems like you have a bias against it. Stuffs like why the MR doesn't have chrome lined barrel or why it has that weird FA-blocking cut tabs, are all parts of how HK works around the german export laws for "weapons of war" rather than because they hate customers and want them to have lesser product or something. I felt like that is a very important context to note when it comes to civilian product from HK.
Those HK barrels are manufactured here in the states with imported blanks. There are features I don’t like for sure. But I am an HK fan as well. All three of those were my rifles.
@@SmallArmsSolutions I don't think that they are allowed to make those blanks (while in US) up to the specs of the 416 for an MR anyway - part of the export law thing iirc (while they can do that for the M27 because it is for the government). I don't think anybody within the HK-fan-circle really like it either, but that is the game that we have to play with German-based manufacturer (which makes me wonder if that is part of the reason why Sig moved out from Germany and to US). It's the necessary context that I feel like more people should know, not just "we make thing worse because we hate you ... etc". They over-engineered a requirement, some people love it, some people hates it and that's fair game imo.
They certainly can. The machines are from Germany and they are programmed by HI engineers. Same thing. Glock does the same. Glock USA uses Austrian machines, programmed by Austrian engineers and all the materials come from Austria. HK USA made a decision like Colt did back in 1992 to make changes to Mae their weapons not comparable with selective fire component’s. It has nothing to do with importation. If the MR556 was a German made gun completely it would be non importable due to the ban. However if parts are sent and the determined number of parts are made in the US, they can build the guns in the US with no restrictions. You can import barrel blanks into the US. KAC for years used Diemaco/Colt Canada CHF blanks and turned them in the US. HK, like many other companies decides whether they will upgrade their operation to the newest configuration for commercial sales. Colt has ambi bolt catch/release they dont offer on the commercial guns. They have many updates that have never been made for commercial guns. HK is full within their power to change out to updated forging, import the ambi parts and get the machines programmed to produce the new lowers for the commercial market. They choose no. People still pay top dollar for the outdated version so why bother? But this is not uncommon with any manufacturer. Colt took nearly a decade to release the ambi lower to the commercial market. They offered it to LE and Military. Colt offers external piston guns to military and LE but not commercial. Companies decide how they feel about the commercial market. Some make a change (like LMT, LWRCI, SIG) across the board. Some separate their markets and decide what they will offer.
Caracal upper receiver is proprietary though? Why's it have a gas busting charging handle? No real ambi considerations either. Seems like a foreign 516 and they just couldn't make it work with a milspec upper
I added Gasbuster for suppressed firing
Hk win🎉
🤷🏻♂️
Did you watch this?
Any opinion on brownells 416 uppers? i want to do a 416 mock hk upper build
Very well built. Biggest difference is the barrel but commercial use, you won’t know any difference
@@SmallArmsSolutions Thank you
Is the HK416 better than the QBZ191 ??
@R.d.M360 Norinco is preparing an export model chambered in 5.56, 5.54 and 7.62mm apparently. You can get those QBZ95 bullpups in 556 in Canada apparently.
I get that hk primarily cares more about there contracts and less about civilian sales. Others are like minded. Lmt, kac. But unlike hk, lmt and kac make products for us that we actually want. Hk just says u can’t have this lol. U get a neutered down version and you will pay twice as much for it.
🤔... A Caracal 816 upper on a LMT lower would be a 🔥 of a combination.
I have a 516 on a LWRC lower; love it more than LMT Mars.
T91 -> HK416
It's all derivative though they didn't really design anything they just changed the original design. It's about your comment about them being the Stoners of their day
Derivative yes on some but not on others. Much design work was done to get the reliability and OTB features.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Yeah, and that's not what I'm saying. i guess i was just meaning that nobody designed anything it all came from Stoner's original design, all those features are just improvements upon it. But I understand what you're saying they are definitely designers by trade
I never knew you had to remove the rail on the hk to get to the gas system that's ridiculous 🤣 Even more so knowing the FN FAL had been around for decades before.
Remember to laugh at your local hk fanboys.
Caracal copied the hell outta the Sig 516. Majority of Sig 516 are Chrome lined Cold hammer forged. Them cheap MR556 are incredibly mediocre compared to either the Sig or Caracal. You can’t get a 416 so comparing the Sig wins hands down. The only change between the caracal and Sig is the shaved down metal on up piston op rod and the lack of Chrome lining and CHF. Again Sig Wins. MeaslyRifle 556 is a joke of the AR world. Absolutely nothing like the 416. Yes Sir, You Mazda Miata is just as good as a BMWZ4 no worries lmao. The Sig CHF Chromed Combat rifle is literally the most underrated Combat rifle ever made. MR556 is HKs way of saying ha ha I can make this man child think he’s cool all while knowing he just bout the cheapest rifle on the planet for the highest price. It entertaining to say the least
The same engineers. Not copied. Evolved to the next level. Caracal can offer chrome or nitride barrel as Sig does depending on what the customer wants. Caracal made mods to the gas system as well as the buffer as well. Incremental but still mechanical improvements. The MR556 was used because the actual 416 is not commercially available. That’s all you can get as a mere civilian. Caracal I believe has some advantages with the changes in buffer and gas system. Enough for me to prefer the Caracal . I own all three of those rifles. The Caracal is my choice. My Sig has a nitride barrel.
Not sure what Sig 516 you got but I have two and both are Cold Hammer Forged and Chrome lined
@jerimccann3453, congratulations, you own 2 orphans! Sig DOES NOT support the 516 any longer. If you need a proprietary part, good luck, maybe you can find it in the secondary market, or maybe the Caraval part might fit. Stupid Sig fanbois…..
Oh, and I’d take a Miata ND2 or 3 anyday over BMW crap. Once you grow up, you might realize this.
Studio
0:50 HK 416
21:01 Sig 516
33:07 Caracal 816
Range
45:41 HK 416
49:00 Sig 516
50:08 Caracal 816
54:12 **Bonus** Caracal 816 12.5'' suppressed
55:30 summary
I've owned a 516 since 2010 and never knew this. I've always described my 516 as a 416 you can actually find/afford. I never knew it LITERALLY was that.
Seems liek POF 415 Edge and Caracal are the ones to go with, especially considering the price of HK and lack of availability
I heard H&K stands for hates kustomers. On a lighter note, I have been shopping for an external piston ar for a few years, and I haven't been able to "pull the trigger" on on due to price. After watching this video I'm sold on the Caracal 816.
Hates Kcivilians, that's why they do so much silly stuff on their civilian versions
@@zaca952I never understood how HK would charge so much for firearms such as the MP5 which was built on the delayed blowback system. This system was developed as a simpler system to the long stroke gas piston. Plus, the MP5 is made of stampings. I'm not in military procurement so I have no idea what HK sells its firearms to government agencies but I do know FN sells M4s to the US Army for around $600. 416s run around $2,800 on the civilian market as a lower quality version. We are talking about quadruple the price. That is outlandish in my opinion.
It’s “Hasst Kunden,” which is German for “hates customers.”
😂hates kustomers 😂😂😂
I love my lwrc ic spr
One day we will find out where HK and FN touched Chris.
😂 I call it as I see it. I’m fond of both companies.
@@SmallArmsSolutions I’m just messing with you!! I watch all your content, and I even have your books!!
Thank you!
Great video. Would love to see a video exploring the M27 IAR specifically and what your thoughts are on that gun and its adoption by the USMC.
Five years ago (or thereabouts) Rainier Arms was a Caracal dealer. Looks like that's no longer the case, though. Bought a Caracal CAR814A2 MOE from them in August 2019. Checking my account out of curiosity, I paid $707.87 shipped for that gun. I miss those pre-Covid days.
$707 2019 dollars is equivalent to $835 now. Inflation is nuts!
I remember that price for that rifle. I got two people to buy one but I never bought one myself because I kept telling myself I get it later. Wish I would've bought it then.
I don’t want the MCX/virtus. Give me a new production run of 516’s with market support and modern handguard options.
@tjwest13, that would never happen and it’s foolish to ask for it. SigSauer doesn’t support anything. It’s the same over and over. Introduce a rifle, keep it a few years until sales drop off, discontinue the model, end support for that model, introduce new model, rinse and repeat. Stop buying Sig crap! Besides, if you want the gun, buy from Caracal. They aren’t going anywhere.
I have a Sig 516 with the 10" barrel, on a registered SBR lower. Love it.
Have suppresed it yet?
why no adjustable gas block in a position it can be tuned and cleaned?
All I hear is buy a LMT lol
HK is basicly the gun version of snap on tools. Extremly over priced, and not as good as cheaper options.
They’ve been resting on their laurels since the mp5
Agreed
@@sgtn00dledid they even have anything comparable to the MP5 as far as success/innovation is concerned, and not simple fanboyism?
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 I mean for the sake of nuance, they were successful in building durability into products like the USP and HK416, but from what I understand they was mostly a matter of throwing money into expensive materials (and charging commensurately high prices), not skill or ingenuity.
First of all I want to thank you for this comprehensive video. I've had the Sig516 for a while now and haven't shot it that much but I must say that so far it has never failed me. I was surprised with an article i read a few months ago where the 516 is being used by quite a few countries.
I'm curious, my Sig 516 has a 4 position gas system, including an "off" position, and the selector screws into and out of the gas block vs what appears to be a quarter-turn on yours. Where the various designs of the 516?
The earl versions did have a gas cut off. It was omitted. No purpose
@@SmallArmsSolutionsGotcha. I only use it when I'm messing with my cmmg .22lr kit. Seems to make it more reliable. Great rifle though!
I have the "gen 2" sig 516. The thing runs great! I don't remember ever having a malfunction in almost 5000 rds. I'm definitely interested in the Caracal. It would be nice to have the whole set but I just can't justify the money
The Caracal upper is also $1100 on Optics Planet or Gunbroker. But yeah, having the whole set would be awesome.
Hey Chris
How would you compare the rifles in this video to the LMT and other external piston driven rifles?
The 516 is a very underrated rifle.
35:18 from India?? What could they contribute?? Indigenous gun from government owned OFB sucks thats by they are doing JV with Russian to manufacture AK203 phase by phase 100% in India
I remember the Sig516 upoers going on sale for 400usd. The working mans less proprietary hk416. The Car816 uppers are constantly at 1k or more for some reason... The Sig516/716 and Sig 556/751 should be Sigs go to. IMO the MCX with all its generations and no support is a boondoggle
I wish those were still for sale
Optics Planet was selling 516 uppers a few years ago for $400+. I grabbed one just because. Didn't know they were " a thing" !
Dear Small Arms Solutions,
Can you talk more about the feature in the Caracal 816 that allows for a bullet to be lodged in the barrel, then have another bullet shot behind it and it won't cause a catastrophic failure. Are there any other short/mid-length/long piston ARs that also have this feature?
Thank you.
Few years ago I was in my ffl and they got in a mr556 and I was all about it, had the money and was all ready to start the paperwork, and that little angel in my shoulder started to whisper, and something made me step back and say hold on a sec, and to this day I'm thankful I didn't buy that overpriced nightmare, and this video just reminded me of that lol thanks SAS, another great video.
My angel rescued me too! Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. The damn MR556 isn't even chrome lined or nitrided - it will rust. It recoiles insanely and is super heavy... but some Discovery Channel show and Larry Vickers made me lose all rationality, lol.
@OutSciEd lol in all honesty I think the weight is what made me think twice, I remember thinking why would I grab this one instead of my 6920 if I had to leave in a hurry and carry it it's insanely heavy 😅
If you're not building an M27, an MR556 is an insane waste of money. Good choice
You'd be way better off buying the Brownell's clone kit. You could have something far closer to a real 416 it just wouldn't have the HK rollmark.
@@armorers_wrench Every time I have gone over the cost of doing anything in particular with a brownells kit, I have found it shockingly unappealing given the absurd cost of an MR556. Most of the things I want to do would be as expensive, or MORE, with a BRN-4 when I do the math. If you just want exactly what the BRN-4 config is, sure it's fine. If you want to do ANYTHING else, it stops being competitive.
KEEP IN MIND, you can get MR556 uppers for around $1800-1900 when the yearly imports are still somewhat freshly arrived. Those come with the tungsten powder buffer, buffer spring, BCG, CH too.
That's not too dissimilar in cost to the BRN4 kit, and it's OEM. If anything it just shows how gouged the MR556 complete rifle is.
Yeah, I'm definitely tempted to order an 816 upper from Caracal's website. I only wish they sold spare piston parts, too.
just get the best firearm they copied, POF P416, better in every way over every rifle. every part on the gun has been upgraded for reliability longevity precision robustness.
I would not put POF in military grade realm. There are some issues I think need addressed
@@SmallArmsSolutions neither would I, they are above military grade by a lot, not even close
They have never won a military contract. Never completed any testing. It’s a commercial grade gun. I expect it will stay commercial. Like I said, there are issues that still need addressed with the gun to move it into being suitable for military use.
Small correction. The 308 MCX didn't sit around until the NGSW program. Sig did submit an MCX to the CSASS program, the design of which clearly inspired their NGSW submission.
It was not in production. It sat as an experimental model. That is according to the man who designed it at Sig.
i love my sig 516, i bought it as a upper from sig when they were discontinuing them
great shooter, it oddly has a extra slot of pic rail in the rear of the upper receiver
i use a spikes tungsten t2 buffer and it works great with a surefire rc2
I have carried a 516 cqb for years and I’ve never had a malfunction with it, suppressed or unsuppressed. It’s a tank
One of the last few delivering us amazing content about modern firearms. Thank you.
Caracal 816. Win 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Hk copies m4 and adds piston saying it's better. Bolt durability sucks and costs too much 😔
It’s always a treat when you do a video.
The reason sig only offers Nitride to civilian customers is it helps their bottom line.
There are many conflicting thoughts. Which is true is hard to say. Non full auto, nitride proves to be excellent. Not so good under heavy full auto fire. My thoughts are a commercial gun, you would never see the difference
@@SmallArmsSolutions If the fight over certain 'forced' triggers goes the way it should, that would 'reset' the conditions you are basing off.
I guess the Haenel rifle falls somewhere close to the 416? Or somewhere between it and the Caracal?
I have a Sig 516 14.5" CHF with
Lancer carbon handguard.
POF roller campin
KVP tungsten power buffer
Schmeiser multi wire spring
Tough ass gun.
They're all heavier than they need to be. DI is fine
One of my favorite Channels. Always informative and educational.
Thank you,
My 516 will ONLY run with a H2 buffer and Red springco spring Because its overgassed.
Commercial, so it will run with wolf under pressure ammo.
@@SmallArmsSolutions yes it is, 10-4, Thank you for the response, AND Thank you for all you do!
My Armalite has a firepin spring as well 🎉
😮 Most owners replace the MR556 takedown pins, and maybe add your grip of choice. 77 gr BH ammo, some light trigger work, quality optic, and you've got a quality DMR rifle that can shoot sub moa.
I used an HK416 while overseas. Decent rifle, but really heavy. Knew guys who had guns who weighed as much as a PKM. Another issue was that it threw gas really bad with some of our suppressors. The newer “Golden guns” don’t do this, but the older HK416D’s do. The only suppressor that didn’t have this issue was the KAC NT4, and that was just too heavy. The handguard selection was a bit limited at the time too. I had a Daniel Defense handguard, but most guys had the original quad rail, or the Geissele handguard, which sucks.
Glad to see someone who doesn't talk shit about Sig every chance they get...
You need to talk mechanical facts, keep fanboy and brand loyalty out of these reviews. Brand loyalty = bias = blindness and lack of objective thinking
Sig deserves crap when they make crap, but they deserve praise when they make something good.
@bryanduchane2371, people talk shit about Sig because for the most part, they deserve it. Especially when it comes to rifles! Sales will dip, Sig will just slap together a new rifle and discontinue the current model. At which time, Sig will no longer support said rifle and those poor owners are left with an orphaned $2000+ hunk of 💩! That’s why Sig sucks donkey c__k..
The 416 does in fact accept milspec bolts and cam pins. It would have been nice if they used milspec firing pins though. Also the older non vented 416 gas blocks do not vent gasses forward.
We don't get 416 barrels because of export/import restrictions on both sides. Germany only wants to sell marksmanship rifles, MR stands for Match Rifle, that's why we get heavy, non chrome lined barrels because conventional wisdom tells us they're more accurate.
So what about the current iteration of the HK416, the one adopted by the German special forces. Is it a better/evolved product? Or they just lack talent.
It’s evolved to ambidextrous receivers. Same mechanical gun, same original design premises.
Cool video, thanks
I still say QPQ is a cheap cop-out. If the Caracal had the hammer forged chrome lined barrel for civilian sales, then it would be a must have.
HK is losing it.
Go hate me but look at the facts: G36 discontinued due to heat issue and other non solvable problems.
The HK416 with proprietary parts. Horribly overgassed.
PWS makes a piston rifle with a non proprietary upper AR15 reciewer.
HK416 are horribly heavy for todays standards.
Some of their overengineered parts are actually good upgrades for the AR15/M4 platform but in general.
You can built an AR15 that can run circles around the HK416 for considerably less money.
I did 2 duty tours to afghan with the USP 9mm pistol and they worked nomatter how much abruse they were subjected to and The old G3 was okay.
But in the past 10 years what have HK done worth notising????
19:27 I still have the Military Times paper that head on the cover "This rifle is better than yours, and you can't have it" with a picture of the HK416. I always sorta viewed it as a bit of hyperbole, but I wouldn't have been surprised one way or another. I only kept that issue because it had my name in the list of NCOs that made the rank that month.
That article was a major problem. It was irresponsible to publish. That misleading article led troops to believe their weapon was inferior and cause them unjustly to loose confidence in their primary weapon. I wrote a rebuttal to Military Times on that article giving factual information on the status of the M4. HK wanted to displace the M4 and bring in their 416. They knew the only way they could do it was to cause a stir that the Army had a poor weapon, open up a new product RFQ and the 416 would be there to save the day. Colt, kept quite through all this thinking they were taking the high road which in fact, their silence more so proved they were quilts of what HK was claiming against their product. Was a tuff time in the industry.
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You can really tell the 416 is heavily over gassed compared to the other two.
I enjoy your work. I know the M1 Garand is a bit retro for you, but I would be interested in your take on it.
Does caracal offer replacement gas rings for the piston? What does the service life look with all the parts, i want to get one but worry ill be left in the dark with the proprietary stuff, which granted isnt much.
Kinda got burned by IWI with the X95 as i havent been able to get a bolt rebuild kit in over 2 years.
Several of the Caracal parts are compatible with Sig. You should be able to get parts from Caracal.
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what about the lmt piston, are they better than the HK/SIG/CR?
Comparable. They all work similarly. LMT,SIG and Caracal operating systems are removed from the front of the gas block. The HK and Haenel you have to remove the handguard
My 416 was awesome. I sold it after 5,000 rounds and you couldn't tell it had fired. It did not like steel cased ammo though.
Your videos are always so packed with inside info!! I love them especially the crime series. I hope you’re working on a real in depth one like the Oswald series!!
You're looking good, Chris. Whatever you're doing, keep it up. And thank you, as always, for your excellent content.
@smallarmssolutions would you know, how similar the Haenel MK556 / CR223 is to the Caracal 816?
Diffrent rifles. The Haenel is nearly a copy of the HK416 gas system, not the Sig/Caracal.