@@Rhino123freak and the fucking 10nm doesn't even have a quad core... it's a dual core and it sucks ass. Benchmarks with it show it to be quite underwhelming
@@kunt230 Thinpads are nowhere near the haptic quality tho. My personal 920 yoga is WAY better built then my T480 I use for work. (both are 1500-2000€ laptops)
kunt Not necessarily, I’m using Ubuntu on xps for my work, but for my hobbies Macbook is irreplaceable by Linux (GarageBand, Final Cut Pro and LR/PS) . Same situation here, waiting for that 14”
Luke Staten not sure if this is an extra intelligent extension to the joke that I don’t understand, but it’s a reference to his MacBook Pro 2019 review
That's the point. It's true that not everyone needs the additional power but if I choose to buy the pro model I will very likely be the kind of user to need it.
Exactly. MBA exists for people who don’t need the increased performance in video editing and photo manipulation. Now some cash strapped student or entrepreneur is going to buy an entry level MBP because that’s all they can afford and it’s outdated and performs worse than a Windows equivalent before they even unbox it.
@@FlexyTeRexy if you need the graphics, the real juice starts at 1900 euros, 700 euros more than the air, and 400 more than base pro. Not even a dedicated gpu mind you...
@@borisdemelo Which makes his whole argument at the beginning even worse. He try's to justify the weak internals in the MBP by saying some people don't need/want the extra power and then explains exactly why it shouldn't be like this in a Pro MacBook. Because the Air is already designed for people who don't need the extra power.
But what doesn’t make any sense for me is the following: Apple decided to go for the 10th gen processor and DDR4X ram for the MacBook Air and even lowers the price whereas you have to pay significantly more to get those benefits on their MacBook Pros.
André Højgaard MacBook Air uses 10th Gen NG chip and MacBook Pro uses 10th Gen G chip. the NG chips are less powerful despite them being both 10th gen 10nm
Krishna Perneti it’s Apple but either way 10th gen cpus (high performing ones) runs way hotter than 8th gen cpus. Do you want to have ultra thermal throttling in the MacBook Pro again?
Imagine justifying a MacBook “Pro” having an outdated CPU because the new CPU’s only improve tasks like VIDEO EDITING and PHOTO MANIPULATION . You know......the tasks that many people use PRO MacBook’s for. Oh and then dropping a comment like “Many people don’t care for that in their laptop” as if the MacBook Air doesn’t exist for those people. The mental gymnastics used to justify Apple launching a brand new pro level laptop with outdated specs on the base model forcing people to spend more is disgusting. You’re way off the mark with this one.
Thank you. I agree he was way off the mark on this one. If I didn't want the power to push the limits, why would I even go for something so outlandish as a macbook pro.
Knock knock there are options for 10th gen cpu in the new mbp13. Look at the 1799 one. So Apple provides 8th and 10th gen AND the more expensive one is just in the range of the other manufacturers products.
Kairen Wang At a ridiculous premium compared to equivalent W10 products. Doesn’t justify Apple screwing over their entry level customers with outdated hardware.
This is just the update the 15 was made last year. The real update will be made by the end of the year. However Dave protecting Apple using 8th instead of 10th is just bad. The price is super high for the 13 either way, so Apple just wants to save cash and earn more.
Dave said that the difference between 8th and 10th gen is negligible, and it really is. Just because its called Pro it doesn‘t mean it needs all the bells and whistles. If you need the graphics horsepower on the go, go with the 16“. For what most other Pros use the Macbook, the 13“s specs are more than enough. You don‘t need a marginally better CPU to develop websites and software applications. For stuff like developing websites, even the Air is enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. In most cases your money is better invested into a RAM and storage upgrade rather than a marginally better CPU. If all you do is write school documents, a $350 iPad works great, no need to buy a laptop. If 10th gen was leaps and bounds better than 8th gen, or if they had gone with Ryzen 4000, then yes I‘d agree with you. But with these marginal performance differences, it honestly doesn‘t matter. Rather get more storage and RAM.
Jusung Lee if you need the internal GPU power, then yes. If you don‘t it honestly doesn‘t matter. And if you‘re serious about graphical/video stuff you‘d rather go with a 15/16“ that has a dedicated GPU, or invest the money in an eGPU.
Yeah sadly, it seems like that is pretty much the case. I do wish Apple had waited and come out with something better in the Summer or Fall, like a 14" MBP with a better display, better Webcam, and higher base specs.
The base model is pretty much meh. Only thing it's got going for it is the keyboard. I personally don't think it's worth getting the base. If you want the base model, you're frankly better off with the air. However, the 10th gen cpu model is a decent upgrade for someone who needs the better graphics performance. So with the 10th gen you get much better graphics, a slightly faster cpu, WAY faster memory and more too, double the storage, and the magic keyboard. I'm happy with that.
bear532 Except for this thing called cooling i’d agree with you but thermals are kinda important and will affect users who run even only somewhat demanding tasks
Because it name is macbook pro 13 😂 May be they planned to delay it some how since this was like a refresh of 2018 macbook more than a real innovation. If you want 14 then i think it would take place later this year or early next year. But damn disappointed ☹️. Apple is alway greedy
@@thomasalias8492 But only the screen got bigger, the 16" footprint is only like 1cm give or take bigger than the 15" one. I wonder if you ever even held a 16" Pro
Thanks Intel! I'm glad to pay 200$ more for a newer CPU so you can keep your 60% profit margins. Jk I'm going AMD for my laptop like any sensible consumer.
"Not everybody wants extra gpu power" well, this is the Pro version, which supposed to mean Professional. I think for professional work load you want that extra power. If you don't then maybe you don't even need the Pro version then
Kutyusz Games Yeah this is a “mAcBoOk pRo” but because of the way Apple distinguishes between their Air and Pro models (thanks to the trash cooling solution inside the Air), if you want a laptop that doesn’t burn your laps while you’re doing something even remotely heavy like watching 4K videos on Chrome, you’re gonna want to get a Macbook Pro even if you’re not a pro. And I bet most people buying products that have the “pRo” moniker attached to their name aren’t pro in the slightest bit.
Not all professionals need extra GPU power. Programmers & app developers for example really don't need the extra GPU power, so if they go for the lower end model, they won't be paying for what they won't use. Besides, plenty of reviewers have mentioned how the MacBook Air struggles with heavy tasks.
@jesus barrera Not really. The Macbook Air is sort of meant for light workflows, such as text editing. The base MacBook Pro is meant for professionals who don't need the extra GPU power, such as programmers. The higher end MacBook Pro is meant for professionals who need extra graphical power for their workflow, such as video editing and modelling.
Apple : Uses 10th gen chip in cheaper MacBook Air Reviewers: Praise apple! Apple: Uses old gen chips in brand new Mac Pro Reviewers: Pure genius Me: wait
EerieEgg there's no real justification to make the jump for the pro cos the issue that's holding it back is still cooling which needs a radical redesign which is not what this is, the old processor already hit the performance ceiling for its chassis The air however WAS making a monumental jump without a radical redesign which is going from a dual core Y series chip up to a quad core U series equivalent chip
EerieEgg also no, apples profit margins are actually lower than a lot of tech companies like nvidia or intel Even for their laptops, prices are comparable to the windows equivalent XPS 13 from dell or x360 from HP
yeah i kind of totally disagree for the cpu part of the video because this is a macbook pro and this is apple it should just be the best cpu out there and yes pro user use the power of the cpu
Man everyone loves to complain. You all know damn well that If they put the newest chip in the base model (that no pro buys anyway) and raised the price accordingly you all would be bitching about that instead
@@Jry088 As much as apple is a consumer company, no normal consumer is going to buy the mac pro. They're marketing to the high end. And, honestly, I think it's just a clever marketing trick by apple to get people to talk.
The difference is that the wheels are purely there to give Apple free marketing, because people will talk about them (example: you), while as for the MacBooks, Apple actually wants to sell those.
The Macbook Pro 13" 2020 seems more like a "we got stuff left in the inventory, lets batch something together to clear out". I would not be surprised if there is a new kind of 13" coming 2021. A AMD Macbook Pro would be fantastic
@@amineacademy1544 I am highly skeptic of the ARM based laptops. The power is just not there yet unless Apple is going to batch several CPUs together in the style of AMD and create some FrankenARM cpu beast thing. That would be awesome.
@@TheCodeTinkerer If they do magic like they do with mobile chips. its gonna be a beast. Especially because they are going to tweak that with software getting crazy numbers.
@@FikiCar0 nope, ARM is not designed to run these applications. No AVX Extensions nothing. ARM is a RISC cpu this is why its so fast at low power usage but if you want to do mulitple unpridactable things at once arm will break down, yeah of course you can extend the ARM instruction set, but than to get feauture parity with x86 you loose the efficiency of arm.
There's no need to justify anything, Apple can charge whatever they want for the wheels. If nobody buys them, that'll send a message to Apple to lower the price until someone does buy them.
@@d4vidjk ARM has a fraction of x86 instructions implemented, its performance is not that great when you are trying to use it in heavy workloads that utilize those hardware-implemented instructions on x86 CPUs.
@@d4vidjk x86 by definition has more powerful instruction than ARM. In raw power it logically wouldn't be possible to beat x86 but raw power doesn't equal to what a normal user need. ARM is based on efficiency and ARM have become good enough that they can run specific but most popular tasks like web interface and even compilation for web apps with a lot less power
Dhruv Kumar they not paying extra for the base pro model. Its the same price as the new Macbook Air quad core but with a better performance. Low powered y series chip vs faster U chip. Even compared to previous 13 inch base model Pro, you get double ssd storage plus a new worry free keyboard at the same exact price. So, where l's the extra they need to pay? Unless they decided to max it out.
@@sttv1570 no, it isn't. Macbook air (in Spain at least) startd at 1249with 8gb ldddr4x, i5 10th gen and 256 ssd. The macbook Pro starts at 1499 with 8gb lddr3x, I5 8th gen and 256. That's a 250 euros difference for a fancy touch bar, a slightly better screen, and a slightly better integrated (not even dedicated) gpu. Which, since a pro its supposed to be geared towards professionals, it falls waaaay too short for them, and the base model is waaaay too expensive for your average Joe when compared to the book air. Conclusion : fuck apple
@@LuisSoto-fw3if I was totally ready to ding you on the fact that the MBPro is 1.4 base clock with 3.9 boost compared to the Air's 1.1 and 3.5, but the other benefits coming from the "modern CPU efficiency" and the RAM upgrade probably level the field with that clock increase. The only thing that I could see being beneficial at that point would be the Pro's thicker chassis cooling better, but even then...with one fan, that MBPro just doesn't cool itself off enough. Even the 7th gen U CPU they used in 2018 is too hot for one fan. So cooling is a null factor too.
@@bradbitt8007 Acceptable performance on an Air is great, but if you are opting for a Pro model you not just want but need better performance. That's the sole purpose of a pro lineup. To provide a more professional experience
Dave, if Apple is charging EXTRA money for the supposedly “Pro” model, why would you assume that most “Pro” model buyers would not want that extra GPU power? They should NOT have charged $1800 for the configuration with better GPU, when only that model is even close to being justified as having “Pro” performance.
Ryunsu Sung because there is me.. who use XCode to design and emulate apps.. I wouldn’t require extra graphics.. I need powerful machine.. but MacBook air , it gets heated for the rendering i do.. i want better thermal cooling.. so i need the base MacBook pro..
Ronnel Joseph Ranas for web development i think 8Gb is great.. but you won’t be able to emulate ios apps in xcode later on.. like if you want to emulate an app on iPadOS you need to have more ram.. and i think it’s better to wait for ARM model.. it’s said to have good battery and better graphics.. if you urgently need macbook then go for 8gb (if only web development ) if you can hold on till November i suggest you to wait..
@O Shette intel and amd run on the same architechture, they can both run the same apps. if apple is not going amd, only practical reason would be if intel is paying apple.
It is insult to a customer to sell him "pro" version with cpu 2 gen behind, because "he don't need it" Well, maby he will some time but his pricy "pro" laptop is handicapped some way.
Who hyped it though? It wasn't apple. It was all these tech sites and TH-cam reviewers who kept the rumor mill spinning by saying "It's coming! It's coming! It's coming! OMG are you excited? I'm exited!! I can't wait!!!" Then when the product launches without some or all of those rumored features, all of a sudden the product sucks.
SuperHyphyOne exactly!! I was hyped by the VARIOUS youtube account spreading fake rumours saying that a 14 inch is gonna come with great specs and display, but when in reality they just literally updated the keyboard and storage, nothing new from last years. Man I'm so furious
Faiz Faris It’s because Analyst Ming-Chi Quo said a 14” will be coming soon later in the year or next year, (which it is) everyone instead got their pants wet thinking it’ll be launched right now. They hype things and up when what they wished didn’t come true they’re quick to dismiss the product and make the conclusion that it sucks
CarthagoMike yh but i think apple might have been able to improve that with the slightly bigger chassis but we’ll have to wait for Dave’s review first.
I have a 2017 Macbook Pro and thermals have always been a problem - simply running a browser other than safari like firefox or chrome makes it hot. I dont get it. How can a $1300 laptop get warm from a simple browser app yet a phone browsing the web would never get warm?
@@xreed8 The 2016 and 2017 versions were very unfortunate (power-wise) and not all had the same level of CPUs. I have the 2018 15" Pro and no problems. Some of my friends have the 2018 Air. Also no problems.
@@xreed8 phones' CPUs are ARM CPUs, they don't generate much heat and are much more efficient with power consumption That's one of the reasons Apple plans to use them in its laptops in the near future and why Microsoft and other companies tried using them before That's no excuse for the thermal performances of the MacBook pros and air though, they should had designed them way better to manage and reduce heat
MustafaPlayzTr wdym have you seen recent amd reviews of the amd chip killing the intel chip in both single- and multi-threaded performance with less power consumption? How are they sh*t?
@Ahmad Hamdi Well Apple has always been standard, so reviewers have just defaulted to explaining their shinegans to the uneducated consumer rather than just bashing them. I mean Apple still refuses to use nvdia gpus, despite them clearly being better, cause of some feud from a while ago
Dave, I don't fully agree with your assertion that Ice Lake is forcing price bumps, as many laptops use Ice Lake chips without any bump in price. MS kept their Surface Laptop 3 the same price with Ice Lake, $999.
Jacob Rhoades Well then MS is just absorbing the costs instead of pushing it to the consumers; doesn’t matter, the point is that Intel is a greedy bastard
Privat Ebenfalls Privat better display, better speakers, decent cooling system. Also I believe that U chips will last you longer than Y chips that Airs have. It doesn’t really matter if you change your machine once in a couple of years though
you are missing the WHOLE point dave: apple already makes you pay over the roof price for their hardware, so it MUST have the latest components, no matter if the performance gain is minimal
apple overpirced bro android is cool i like watching pewdiepie oh yea and zoom bad. Shut the fuck up. You dont have any proof as to why its overpriced. Give me some proof and ill believe that its overpriced.
@@2eewoihwuef671 i shouldn't even reply to a cementhead like you, but whatever: at 3:02 you can see the specs of the macbook air and its price (1500$), now let's spend the same price on a windows laptop, and you get a full fledge gaming laptop capable of running every game ( an example here - www.amazon.com/ASUS-Notebook-Computer-R7-3750H-Bluetooth/dp/B07WTQ2YWN/ref=sr_1_158?dchild=1&keywords=notebook+gaming&qid=1588844810&sr=8-158) or a super portable and long lastgin battery one (www.amazon.com/A10RAS-097/dp/B087ZYQYNQ/ref=sr_1_154?dchild=1&keywords=notebook+gaming&qid=1588844810&sr=8-154) these are only 2 example, as i obviously cant browse the whole amazon for you, just search for 1500$ laptops and see it yourself
@@Geffry993 sorry i was getting a little to toxic there. But you cant forget the build quality and screen. Its a little overpriced, but not overpriced as much as people complain about it
I have had the 13 inch for 3 years now, and never had any problems or had to take to apple ever. shows how unreliable they are. im either lucky or everyone else is unlucky
@@Yogi5D couldn't agree more. Still using that 13" i7 model. Yeah it has gotten a bit slow due to 4gb ram and heavy softwares nowadays. And its battery is at replace soon for the past 6 months. Apart from that, its an awesome device. Still hoping to get atleast a year or 2 out of it. Already 9 yrs old which is quite an achievement for a laptop.
I suspect they'll stick to Intel until their own processors are ready. If the rumors are true, which i think they are, it just wouldn't make sense to figure things out with AMD as yet another contractor. it would save them so much $$$.
as what pico said....its just a flexing thing at this current point....most people don't have Wifi 6 compatible routers, or broadband speeds that can utilize Wifi 6...so what's the point of having it.. "future proofing" isn't really a valid excuse currently... the truth is...for 90% of the people out there (INCLUDING MYSELF).....Wifi 5 is good enough.. and yes i did try out Wifi 6 with reasonable speeds coming from a 3rd world country
Stop justifying apple like that, don’t u know even their MacBook Air now using 10 gen intel chip and lower price .. people buying pro version of course expecting more but how the hell they still gonna put the old 8 gen chip from the least a year back to this new device.
The cooling issues can be fixed but apple purposely done it to make the air a bit slight or just to distinguish both devices by cutting part of the cooling firmwares inside , but that's unrelated though to explain why they put 8 gen old chip back from 2018 or 2019.
Sanc Max Of course they put a worse thermal solution to distinguish between the Air and Pro models. They don’t their laptops that are advertised as “thin and light” to be fast or faster than the Pro models.
Cookie Monster for now entry level 16inch is obviously a better choice compared to buying those upgrades Apple offers for 13 inch MacBook Pro, which is a clean refresh in every way not like this one.
I don’t understand the argument Dave. It’s simple, Apple “updated” their MacBooks and made little changes to the low end version, and big changes to the high end. Either the high end versions were overpriced before, or the low end versions are overpriced now. Either way sucks
Sadly, we don't have a lot of companies which produces high-quality computers which can match Apple's. The build quality of Apple is just superb, hands down.
@@Fran-ji6sk Your comment is totally stupid. If somone is interested in an 16" device i doubt he will profit from the arm based ones which might not even come in 2020 ... and even if there are ARM MacBooks coming in 2020 Macbook Pros are not gonna come with Arm for the next years. thats for sure.
That is actually true, if that doesn't include you just remember you are just one person, not the the whole population. Broaden your view, you will understand what he means.
@@peterdozal8825 that's not a dump question. I can't believe anyone on earth would put a 3 year old cpu in a new mac pro line just to cut cost. while the entry level Air gets the newest 10th gen. Especially from dave.
You obviously don't know to whom you talking to. Dave is a well known Windows laptop lover, eventhough he's using a Macbook at the same time. People started accusing stupidly just because the person they watched not having the same views as theirs. Pathetic! And you also didn't watch the test between the old 2019 Pro 13 base model that crushed the Air 2020 10th gen in medium to intensive work - so much for the 10th gen & newer lpddr4 Ram! I don't always aggree with Dave. But he has lots of valid points in this video.
@@sttv1570 dude you have no idea what you talking about of course the 8 gen cpu on the pro will crushed the Air cuz the Air is using the Y version of the 10 gen Intel's cpus which is a low-powered variant while the pro uses the U version which is Intel's workhorse, compare the 8 gen on the pro with a 10 gen counterpart like the one on the Surface Laptop 3 and the results will be different, sure the Macbook Pro will fare good but just because of MacOs is like comparing Iphone and Android, still there is absolutely no excuse for Apple to not put a 10 gen cpu on the new Macbook Pro specially when it comes at the same price point as previous versions which had the latest cpus when they debuted.
Yordan Montero You are talking like Apple only introduced one type of 13 inch model. If you care so much about 10th gen and lpddr4 Ram, Apple does provide that selection in the newly launched Pro 13, albeit at the higher tier. Just fork out extra cash. Oh you didn't want to? Then thats not Apple problem. The choice is there, if you don't have the budget, just go elsewhere. Heck, a windows laptop with Quad HD screen, great design, great processors also don't come cheap today.
So Apple didn’t want to absorb the cost of the expensive processor and knew raising the price won’t sell the laptop so they put in old processors? Pathetic!
Just like the Iphone SE... They had some 8th generation Intels laying around in the warehouse that they could not sell... They decided to sell it like this.
With negligible CPU performance in the last 3 years that's out of your control and you want to force consumers to pay more because of your vendor? Hey, the 10th Gen models are there and like Dave said, with a fatty price tag. But if you don't need or want it, just go with the 8th Gen model. Apple still gave you a choice to pick.
Thanks for clearing this up Dave! As a student about to start grad school with slightly more demanding needs than the average person I am confidently getting the base MPB with 16gigs of ram over the MBA i5.
why a macbook? better value in windows, even if windows is shit, the hardware from apple is pretty offensive just try to upgrade anything, after you buy it. youll understand
@@bradhaines3142 I'm proficient but hate Windows OS. Software is outdated and buggy, plus it looks trash. I yearn for MacOS again. And my current thinkpad crashes now whenever I lift/move the device around. I suspect that's because I was carrying it around for 5 months as if it was built out of aluminum.
@@raptoreeninefour467 not saying mac isnt good, i just hate how you cant fix or upgrade anything with their hardware. windows is seriously trash, but my laptop is aluminum all around and i travel all the time, its still plenty solid. on top of that ive upgraded to 32gb ram and added 2tb ssd to it incredibly cheap (especially compared to apples prices) so if i needed to do that and had apple, id just be SOL. oh and my wifi card crapped out, replaced that for 25$, cant do that with apple either.
@@bradhaines3142 yes of course i too have a Windows machine. For me the issue was windows laptops usually after 3 years its difficult to make replacement. I have an HP envy and i stuggled to find a suitable keyboard replacement. While mac has absurd reparability. Where ever u are u can go to a store and eventually get it repaired. But yea its depends on user
I have a 16" and I was worried the new 14" would make me regret my purchase. But by keeping the 13" screen, and seeing the price and specs difference, as you said, a 16" is such a better proposition if you don't need a smaller and lighter laptop.
I understand that not everybody needs that extra power with the 10th gen of Intel processor. But for a brand like Apple which are premium devices, when you pay more than $1,000 you wanna get the last specs of hardware. I think Apple just sell what they couldn't sell with their last Macbook Pro and the butterfly keyboard. Hopefully, they will upgrade their Macbook pro by the end of the year with more significant refresh.
I guess most people do not buy MacBook Air, Pro, etc primarily for the specs. If they did, they probably wouldn't be buying Apple products at all. There are Windows laptops which are much cheaper, with equal or better specs. People mostly buy Apple products for the build quality, aesthetics, OS, assembly, etc. Apple focuses a lot on that. Not a lot of companies focus primarily on the build quality. For example, I've yet to see a laptop which has an equally good or better trackpad than a MacBook Pro, Air, etc. Never have I seen a laptop which overall looks and feel better than any MacBook. Again, just my opinion, but I can say that there are a lot of people just like me and will buy an Apple product mainly for the balance of specs, build quality, and everything that comes with it - especially the OS, which you're not going to get elsewhere. As for this Intel thing, Apple is stubborn as always and won't pay a lot for these newer Intel chips; thus they are delaying the upgrades. Hopefully, things will be lot different once they move on to their own chips. Anyway, Apple spends a lot of money trying to improve all these. If they focused more on the specs, the build quality would have to suffer a lot, provided that you keep the same price. And yes, Apple does try to profit from their products at the end of the day, just like any other company.
The saddest thing is that the Macbook Air 2020 would outperforme the 13“ Pro 2020 if it had a heat sink while it is cheaper. Thats just sad af and called a total dick move in bird culture.
The entry-level MBP just doesn't make sense. For the same price, you can get the new Air with more modern CPU, RAM, and double the storage. Yes, the Pro is more suitable for CPU heavy tasks, but at that price point you're settling for very basic specs that you wouldn't want if you're going to do CPU heavy tasks anyway.
I wish I could, too, but about five of the keys no longer print letters. Bummer! I tried compressed air, but they still don't work, and I don't want to buy a new keyboard for $250! Bad timing because Apple is transitioning from Intel processors to ARM-based processors soon I heard.
Well you get what you pay for. We are paying about 1399 over to 2000 dollars or even more than that. A increase in graphics or performance shouldn’t hurt!
_“Then we're just paying more for stuff we may not necessarily need!”_ Except you're forgetting Dave, that's the entire point of Apple. Apple's customers *_like_* being dominated by Apple. They *_want_* Apple to put them in a gimp suit and tie a leash on them. You don't buy a Mac to do work. You buy one to be fashionable; to have a sexy laptop, with the biggest numbers, including the price tag.
Dave again pro apple. I miss when you turned briefly to the good side. Seems a good keyboard and good form factor is more important to you than price or performance.
Agree, half of this video about costant bragging other stuff (Trackpad, Battery, Keyboard, ect) that already main selling point back in 2008 macbook pro LoL
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Can't really agree with that. As a developer I'm using a MBP 13" 2016 with two external 4k monitors. The big problem is exactly graphics power and RAM usage because of the way macos handles scaling. Currently I'm using an eGPU but the workflow is hampered quite significantly with it (wait for disconnect, apps closing and reopening, etc.) and the performance difference isn't really worth it so I'm going to get rid of it. I sure hope they'll put a dedicated gpu in the 14" refresh (if there will even be any), otherwise the only option is the 16".
Everyone: "ugh, why Apple keep using the older thing?"
Intel for the past 3 years: "I'll pretend I didn't see that"
If there were no ryzen, I bet they still would be selling 4 cores i7 with same old 14 nm process
Past 6 years*
Even the 10th gen is using the same Skylake architecture from 2014 lmao
@@Rhino123freak and the fucking 10nm doesn't even have a quad core... it's a dual core and it sucks ass. Benchmarks with it show it to be quite underwhelming
whole youtube full of with this 2 line 2 person joke , dont find it funny kinda dum, come with something better
@@fahhad17 you wanna hear a truly terrible joke?
Intel used the same 14nm node for 6 years.
Me : goes to sleep
Dave : not this time
Lol he does post his videos quite late
Seyair M lol its day time here in the US?
@@icanc0 in europe its 00:18
@@icanc0 yeah I could tell
It's like 11:20 pm in the UK right now
Who's realised dave says “ok so” at the start of every video
True lmao
Not all video tho
it's actually "oh queso"
And he is standing all the time.
Or sometimes "Alright so..."
Bold of you to assume cost savings for Apple will be passed onto the consumer
*iPhone SE 2 waves from a distance*
it's not about cost savings being passed on, it's about price hikes - and those are definitely gonne get passed on
@@daniloivensmina *Apple Stand waves back*
iamtheoceaniamthesea The prices of each MacBook hasn’t budged. Can you show me the price hike you’re talking about?
@@daniloivensmina $700 dollar Mac Pro wheels would like to talk
The fact I still have to wait for the 14” MacBook Pro ruined my day
Buy a 14 inch thinkpad an install a Linux distro with KDE plasma. Life changer my friend
@@kunt230 Thinpads are nowhere near the haptic quality tho. My personal 920 yoga is WAY better built then my T480 I use for work. (both are 1500-2000€ laptops)
kunt Not necessarily, I’m using Ubuntu on xps for my work, but for my hobbies Macbook is irreplaceable by Linux (GarageBand, Final Cut Pro and LR/PS) . Same situation here, waiting for that 14”
flor I feel you 🙄
@Seven V speak english
He looked stressed in this video. Clearly Tim Apple was in the room.
Luke Staten not sure if this is an extra intelligent extension to the joke that I don’t understand, but it’s a reference to his MacBook Pro 2019 review
lol yeah seriously. its like he made up some situation in his head that everyones mad. ahahah weirdo.
"window laptops bumps price up by 150 for intel 10"
Apple: "Those are rookie numbers.... let's bump it by 500"
Kingofwale1 gotta love the wows reference
Its not only for 10th Gen Intel but double the storage and double the ram and ofc Apple Tax
Well that RAM and memory is faster than Xbox X series
"It's over 9000!"
Problem with Apple is that they still charge more while using old gen CPUs. It doesn't really help keeping the price down.
"Not everybody wants that...that extra graphics power..." well for 1799 for embedded graphics I would hope not
The 1799 got a better GPU, and you could connect to eGPU.
@@jinraigami3349 so u wanna spend 200$ on a egpu case and another 200 to 300 for a decent graphic card ?
@@VeNkATesHDXTS With performance penalty through the thunderbolt
@@VeNkATesHDXTS or better buy a high end gaming laptop with much better internals.
edit : highest end at that price
Yes, we don't want that extra graphics power on a PRO machine.
"Not everybody wants that extra graphics power" Correction: not everybody NEEDS! And I thought we had the MacBook Air for that...
That's the point. It's true that not everyone needs the additional power but if I choose to buy the pro model I will very likely be the kind of user to need it.
Exactly. MBA exists for people who don’t need the increased performance in video editing and photo manipulation. Now some cash strapped student or entrepreneur is going to buy an entry level MBP because that’s all they can afford and it’s outdated and performs worse than a Windows equivalent before they even unbox it.
@@FlexyTeRexy if you need the graphics, the real juice starts at 1900 euros, 700 euros more than the air, and 400 more than base pro. Not even a dedicated gpu mind you...
He addressed this at 4:10
@@borisdemelo Which makes his whole argument at the beginning even worse. He try's to justify the weak internals in the MBP by saying some people don't need/want the extra power and then explains exactly why it shouldn't be like this in a Pro MacBook. Because the Air is already designed for people who don't need the extra power.
But what doesn’t make any sense for me is the following: Apple decided to go for the 10th gen processor and DDR4X ram for the MacBook Air and even lowers the price whereas you have to pay significantly more to get those benefits on their MacBook Pros.
André Højgaard 10th gen cpus are 8th gen cpu renamed. Probably they put it to lower the price.
i see that is a problem, but it is apple what do u expect.
André Højgaard MacBook Air has different processors: yes, it's 10th generation, but of a "mobile" lower end processors family.
André Højgaard MacBook Air uses 10th Gen NG chip and MacBook Pro uses 10th Gen G chip. the NG chips are less powerful despite them being both 10th gen 10nm
Krishna Perneti it’s Apple but either way 10th gen cpus (high performing ones) runs way hotter than 8th gen cpus. Do you want to have ultra thermal throttling in the MacBook Pro again?
The decisions on this macbook 13 resemble the decisions that I make in group projects
Lol
And our project has a horrible job but heyyy at least the presentation is over!
J R * resemble
Imagine justifying a MacBook “Pro” having an outdated CPU because the new CPU’s only improve tasks like VIDEO EDITING and PHOTO MANIPULATION . You know......the tasks that many people use PRO MacBook’s for. Oh and then dropping a comment like “Many people don’t care for that in their laptop” as if the MacBook Air doesn’t exist for those people. The mental gymnastics used to justify Apple launching a brand new pro level laptop with outdated specs on the base model forcing people to spend more is disgusting. You’re way off the mark with this one.
Thank you. I agree he was way off the mark on this one. If I didn't want the power to push the limits, why would I even go for something so outlandish as a macbook pro.
Knock knock there are options for 10th gen cpu in the new mbp13. Look at the 1799 one. So Apple provides 8th and 10th gen AND the more expensive one is just in the range of the other manufacturers products.
Kairen Wang At a ridiculous premium compared to equivalent W10 products. Doesn’t justify Apple screwing over their entry level customers with outdated hardware.
Fully agree. The fact that you have to spend 2000+ euros (Europe) to get the 10th gen with decent amount of RAM and SSD, is just rediculous
@@Bari-je3lr Exactly my thoughts. This is unjustifiable, from any point of view.
I love how everyone was so confident that it was gonna be 14"
Marwan Amireh i wanted it so bad now i have to hope they‘ll make one next year
Emir Hajric just buy it now. Why wait another year
I was shocked. I was convinced it would be 14 inches. :(
It will be. Rumor is that the 14" will be at least announced at WWDC.
i love when the “creditable leaker” gets their leak wrong and then just says Apple delayed it lol
AMD 4000 series is smashing these intel cpu's anyway so for the next couple of years at least, apple is stuck with the shit stuff.
Next couple of years? It's rumored that next year they will switch to ARM on their thin & light notebooks and AMD chips for their "Pro" machines...
TH-cam Kullanıcısı that rumour is wrong. All of the current software will have to change. Can't see that happening
@@asianskywalker no shit. They've been working on this for years.
asianskywalker - They could use a Rosetta-type emulator to ease the transition like they did in ‘05/‘06 from Power PC to Intel.
@@magicman322 Yeah, but emulator type solutions are painful... But the sooner, the better I guess
4:55 AMD based MacBook.
Don't do that...
Don't give me hope
Akhil Tom Prakash lol prob not, they working on ARM MacBooks though
one can only hope
RYZEN 4000 BASED MACBOOK PRO 14"
OMGERRRRRRD
Jeremy Lam yeah, not gonna happen.
How come AMD would be good? Genuine question..
@@jimbojonesporfavor th-cam.com/video/B83xurNIX4E/w-d-xo.html watch this and you'll understand
Apple : here's 13" Macbook Pro 2020
Me : *where is my 14" Macbook Pro 2020* ???
It's either coming next year or at the end of this year, these refreshes are more of a stopgap, still better than no refresh tbh
Hence why you never listen and get your hope's for leaks. I learned my lesson with Call of Duty every year.
Me: *Where is my A13X iPad Pro?*
I need 15.6" MacBook
@@farthurf.5221 why 15.6?
I am more sad about the screen not increasing to 14 inches lol
Jp Prater XD
Buy 16inch than
@@PRATERVXEX 😂😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Really pissed about that...
This is just the update the 15 was made last year. The real update will be made by the end of the year. However Dave protecting Apple using 8th instead of 10th is just bad. The price is super high for the 13 either way, so Apple just wants to save cash and earn more.
I think we were all expecting a bigger screen like the 16 inch MacBook
Vik And you WILL get it. Just not this year.
Let's wait for a 30 inch MacBook
Me watching this on my intel pentium hp laptop
Me watching this in someone else's phone in a cafe.
Me watching this in bed with my eyes closed with my mind
uzoma yikes
My watching this with my internet gas
uzoma me watching this on my wife’s boyfriends phone
Such a lame excuse "Not everyone wants the power". It's called "Pro" and it costs a lot, it's not some budget laptop for typing school documents.
Finally i found this comment
Dave said that the difference between 8th and 10th gen is negligible, and it really is. Just because its called Pro it doesn‘t mean it needs all the bells and whistles. If you need the graphics horsepower on the go, go with the 16“. For what most other Pros use the Macbook, the 13“s specs are more than enough. You don‘t need a marginally better CPU to develop websites and software applications. For stuff like developing websites, even the Air is enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. In most cases your money is better invested into a RAM and storage upgrade rather than a marginally better CPU.
If all you do is write school documents, a $350 iPad works great, no need to buy a laptop.
If 10th gen was leaps and bounds better than 8th gen, or if they had gone with Ryzen 4000, then yes I‘d agree with you. But with these marginal performance differences, it honestly doesn‘t matter. Rather get more storage and RAM.
@@philhinco if you need the horse power, pick anything but apple.
Jusung Lee if you need the internal GPU power, then yes. If you don‘t it honestly doesn‘t matter. And if you‘re serious about graphical/video stuff you‘d rather go with a 15/16“ that has a dedicated GPU, or invest the money in an eGPU.
dave doesn’t sound convincing himself
2020: new keyboard, double the storage. that's it end of story
Yeah sadly, it seems like that is pretty much the case.
I do wish Apple had waited and come out with something better in the Summer or Fall, like a 14" MBP with a better display, better Webcam, and higher base specs.
Well you can add 32gb of ram u couldnt do that before
@@WAV-T True, but overall, this update is still underwhelming. 😢
The base model is pretty much meh. Only thing it's got going for it is the keyboard. I personally don't think it's worth getting the base. If you want the base model, you're frankly better off with the air. However, the 10th gen cpu model is a decent upgrade for someone who needs the better graphics performance. So with the 10th gen you get much better graphics, a slightly faster cpu, WAY faster memory and more too, double the storage, and the magic keyboard. I'm happy with that.
bear532 Except for this thing called cooling i’d agree with you but thermals are kinda important and will affect users who run even only somewhat demanding tasks
Everybody: WTF is that CPU???
Me: Why tf is it 13”??
lmao r u dumb. The 14” is gonna come out later this year or next year
Making the footprint bigger was dumb. The 15" was already too big. And they went and made it even more unwieldy. I'm glad the 13" stayed small.
Because it name is macbook pro 13 😂
May be they planned to delay it some how since this was like a refresh of 2018 macbook more than a real innovation. If you want 14 then i think it would take place later this year or early next year. But damn disappointed ☹️. Apple is alway greedy
@@thomasalias8492 But only the screen got bigger, the 16" footprint is only like 1cm give or take bigger than the 15" one. I wonder if you ever even held a 16" Pro
Tom Foolery 15 too big? I miss the 17” mbp
Thanks Intel! I'm glad to pay 200$ more for a newer CPU so you can keep your 60% profit margins. Jk I'm going AMD for my laptop like any sensible consumer.
Their new mobile cpu prices are painfully expensive
not a good time yet. so few models out with 4000 series, and honestly 3000 series and before was seriously underwhelming
@@Dave2D don't alot of people video edit on Mac?
@@skashew7062 are fking kidding me?
@@MuszZico alot of people people but Mac for final cut tho
"Not everybody wants extra gpu power" well, this is the Pro version, which supposed to mean Professional. I think for professional work load you want that extra power. If you don't then maybe you don't even need the Pro version then
Kutyusz Games Yeah this is a “mAcBoOk pRo” but because of the way Apple distinguishes between their Air and Pro models (thanks to the trash cooling solution inside the Air), if you want a laptop that doesn’t burn your laps while you’re doing something even remotely heavy like watching 4K videos on Chrome, you’re gonna want to get a Macbook Pro even if you’re not a pro. And I bet most people buying products that have the “pRo” moniker attached to their name aren’t pro in the slightest bit.
Not all professionals need extra GPU power. Programmers & app developers for example really don't need the extra GPU power, so if they go for the lower end model, they won't be paying for what they won't use. Besides, plenty of reviewers have mentioned how the MacBook Air struggles with heavy tasks.
@jesus barrera Not really. The Macbook Air is sort of meant for light workflows, such as text editing. The base MacBook Pro is meant for professionals who don't need the extra GPU power, such as programmers. The higher end MacBook Pro is meant for professionals who need extra graphical power for their workflow, such as video editing and modelling.
Apple : Uses 10th gen chip in cheaper MacBook Air
Reviewers: Praise apple!
Apple: Uses old gen chips in brand new Mac Pro
Reviewers: Pure genius
Me: wait
EerieEgg there's no real justification to make the jump for the pro cos the issue that's holding it back is still cooling which needs a radical redesign which is not what this is, the old processor already hit the performance ceiling for its chassis
The air however WAS making a monumental jump without a radical redesign which is going from a dual core Y series chip up to a quad core U series equivalent chip
EerieEgg also no, apples profit margins are actually lower than a lot of tech companies like nvidia or intel
Even for their laptops, prices are comparable to the windows equivalent XPS 13 from dell or x360 from HP
yeah i kind of totally disagree for the cpu part of the video because this is a macbook pro and this is apple it should just be the best cpu out there and yes pro user use the power of the cpu
David Croteau the 10th gen is still an option, real pros won't choose the budget baseline option
Man everyone loves to complain. You all know damn well that If they put the newest chip in the base model (that no pro buys anyway) and raised the price accordingly you all would be bitching about that instead
Dave: *sleeping*
Twitter: aw hell no
E.J. Yu Awkward moment when you run into someone from High School in a TH-cam Tread(;
the only channel i watch for honest review about laptop
"Apple doesn't want to ramp up the price"
Yeah make sense since it's already expensive. They wanted to keep the price but also keep their margin.
Thing is, apple makes lower margins than other tech companies. And, idk about you, but I'd rather not have an overheating macbook.
Yet they charge you $700 for some wheels.
@@Jry088 As much as apple is a consumer company, no normal consumer is going to buy the mac pro. They're marketing to the high end. And, honestly, I think it's just a clever marketing trick by apple to get people to talk.
@@Jry088
Look at LTTs' latest video
@@cocoabuttervaseline "Apple makes lower margins than other tech companies" 🤣🤣🤣 that's s good one
Apple: We are using the 8th gen CPU to save you folks some money
Also Apple: Wheeeels
The difference is that the wheels are purely there to give Apple free marketing, because people will talk about them (example: you), while as for the MacBooks, Apple actually wants to sell those.
Hahaha for real
Apple: We can save you some money for our wheels
what a twatty comment
Simon you’re god damn right
The Macbook Pro 13" 2020 seems more like a "we got stuff left in the inventory, lets batch something together to clear out". I would not be surprised if there is a new kind of 13" coming 2021.
A AMD Macbook Pro would be fantastic
Just like iPhone SE 2020 🤧😅
actually 2021 mighthaveapples first cpu
@@amineacademy1544 I am highly skeptic of the ARM based laptops. The power is just not there yet unless Apple is going to batch several CPUs together in the style of AMD and create some FrankenARM cpu beast thing. That would be awesome.
@@TheCodeTinkerer If they do magic like they do with mobile chips. its gonna be a beast. Especially because they are going to tweak that with software getting crazy numbers.
@@FikiCar0 nope, ARM is not designed to run these applications. No AVX Extensions nothing. ARM is a RISC cpu this is why its so fast at low power usage but if you want to do mulitple unpridactable things at once arm will break down, yeah of course you can extend the ARM instruction set, but than to get feauture parity with x86 you loose the efficiency of arm.
Macbook pro: new keyboard, old cpu
Iphone Se: new cpu, old body
Consumers: Am I a joke to you ???
😂
"Yeah they are" - Apple
Don’t forget the iPad Pro with (basically) old cpu too...
Price: Am I a joke to you???
Nice... one.
See this.....th-cam.com/video/5qkyeYuP9Kk/w-d-xo.html
Me: WTF 8TH GEN CPU ON A 2020 MACBOOK
Dave: Processor go brrrr
That sound actually makes sense here
@@omegamalkior1874 But the processors are silent! The fans make all the noise! /s
@@abubakrakram6208 I don't know if you're trolling or you genuinely don't know that it's a meme reference
@@orb3062 dude put /s, which means /sarcasm...He knows
@@rand0mtv660 😅 my bad
I wanna see dave justify the wheels... “it doesnt have the latest rendition of wheels but most people don’t need that” costs 700$
There's no need to justify anything, Apple can charge whatever they want for the wheels. If nobody buys them, that'll send a message to Apple to lower the price until someone does buy them.
Chocoretto you have altered my perspective of apple a few degrees thanks.
That Geekbench score at 0:56 actually makes me understand why Apple is trying to switch to ARM lol. 2 generations apart and that small of a bump?
ARM is not going to be more powerful tho.
@@razvanaxinie4495 yes it will. It already is. The issue is software compatibility, but power is out of the question
@@razvanaxinie4495 check iPad pro (a12x) single core performance in geekbench and them imagine what could do the Next a14x xD
@@d4vidjk ARM has a fraction of x86 instructions implemented, its performance is not that great when you are trying to use it in heavy workloads that utilize those hardware-implemented instructions on x86 CPUs.
@@d4vidjk x86 by definition has more powerful instruction than ARM. In raw power it logically wouldn't be possible to beat x86 but raw power doesn't equal to what a normal user need. ARM is based on efficiency and ARM have become good enough that they can run specific but most popular tasks like web interface and even compilation for web apps with a lot less power
So your saying Apple wanted to ensure their pricing was fair... Ok!
I don't know why anyone would defend that decision. Sorry Dave.
'Tim Apple will remember that'
Yessir
Trump mac fac flashbacks
If people didn't wanted Extra performance then why would they extra for a pro model.
Dhruv Kumar they not paying extra for the base pro model. Its the same price as the new Macbook Air quad core but with a better performance. Low powered y series chip vs faster U chip. Even compared to previous 13 inch base model Pro, you get double ssd storage plus a new worry free keyboard at the same exact price. So, where l's the extra they need to pay? Unless they decided to max it out.
@@sttv1570 no, it isn't. Macbook air (in Spain at least) startd at 1249with 8gb ldddr4x, i5 10th gen and 256 ssd. The macbook Pro starts at 1499 with 8gb lddr3x, I5 8th gen and 256.
That's a 250 euros difference for a fancy touch bar, a slightly better screen, and a slightly better integrated (not even dedicated) gpu. Which, since a pro its supposed to be geared towards professionals, it falls waaaay too short for them, and the base model is waaaay too expensive for your average Joe when compared to the book air.
Conclusion : fuck apple
@@LuisSoto-fw3if I was totally ready to ding you on the fact that the MBPro is 1.4 base clock with 3.9 boost compared to the Air's 1.1 and 3.5, but the other benefits coming from the "modern CPU efficiency" and the RAM upgrade probably level the field with that clock increase. The only thing that I could see being beneficial at that point would be the Pro's thicker chassis cooling better, but even then...with one fan, that MBPro just doesn't cool itself off enough. Even the 7th gen U CPU they used in 2018 is too hot for one fan. So cooling is a null factor too.
They jut want acceptable performance. That's what a base model Macbook pro offers.
@@bradbitt8007 Acceptable performance on an Air is great, but if you are opting for a Pro model you not just want but need better performance. That's the sole purpose of a pro lineup. To provide a more professional experience
Dave, if Apple is charging EXTRA money for the supposedly “Pro” model, why would you assume that most “Pro” model buyers would not want that extra GPU power? They should NOT have charged $1800 for the configuration with better GPU, when only that model is even close to being justified as having “Pro” performance.
Ryunsu Sung because there is me.. who use XCode to design and emulate apps.. I wouldn’t require extra graphics.. I need powerful machine.. but MacBook air , it gets heated for the rendering i do.. i want better thermal cooling.. so i need the base MacBook pro..
Ronnel Joseph Ranas for web development i think 8Gb is great.. but you won’t be able to emulate ios apps in xcode later on.. like if you want to emulate an app on iPadOS you need to have more ram.. and i think it’s better to wait for ARM model.. it’s said to have good battery and better graphics.. if you urgently need macbook then go for 8gb (if only web development ) if you can hold on till November i suggest you to wait..
It doesn't matter if the improvement is minimal; you'd expect such a premium laptop to have the latest stuff out there.
Right.
shouldve switched to AMD or make their own
Chris A There are rumours about an ARM based Macbook coming in 2021
@@Neo-qj2zb its called ipad pro
@O Shette intel and amd run on the same architechture, they can both run the same apps. if apple is not going amd, only practical reason would be if intel is paying apple.
You can run hackintosh on AMD cpu, even on FX series. If they want to switch to AMD, they're can do this on any moment.
@@Neo-qj2zb The ARM notebook will be a MacBook Air, or just MacBook. The Pros will stay on x86 for another 5 years, minimum.
It is insult to a customer to sell him "pro" version with cpu 2 gen behind, because "he don't need it"
Well, maby he will some time but his pricy "pro" laptop is handicapped some way.
A "Pro" laptop still only has a 720p webcam...come on!
A big leap from the 480p webcam two years ago 👍
@ruwiki I wish that was true. My 2014 13” MBP has a 720p webcam.
@@ruwiki my 2012 Pro has a 720p webcam...
honestly this was a bust, it was so hyped
hyped for apple products lmao
Who hyped it though? It wasn't apple. It was all these tech sites and TH-cam reviewers who kept the rumor mill spinning by saying "It's coming! It's coming! It's coming! OMG are you excited? I'm exited!! I can't wait!!!" Then when the product launches without some or all of those rumored features, all of a sudden the product sucks.
SuperHyphyOne exactly!! I was hyped by the VARIOUS youtube account spreading fake rumours saying that a 14 inch is gonna come with great specs and display, but when in reality they just literally updated the keyboard and storage, nothing new from last years. Man I'm so furious
Apple never hyped this. In fact they never said anything about a brand new body. It might NEVER come out for all we know.
Faiz Faris It’s because Analyst Ming-Chi Quo said a 14” will be coming soon later in the year or next year, (which it is) everyone instead got their pants wet thinking it’ll be launched right now. They hype things and up when what they wished didn’t come true they’re quick to dismiss the product and make the conclusion that it sucks
Really well explained, great video Dave.
I see more of an issue with the heat dissipation of the cpu than the cpu itself...
CarthagoMike yh but i think apple might have been able to improve that with the slightly bigger chassis but we’ll have to wait for Dave’s review first.
I have a 2017 Macbook Pro and thermals have always been a problem - simply running a browser other than safari like firefox or chrome makes it hot. I dont get it. How can a $1300 laptop get warm from a simple browser app yet a phone browsing the web would never get warm?
@@xreed8 The 2016 and 2017 versions were very unfortunate (power-wise) and not all had the same level of CPUs. I have the 2018 15" Pro and no problems. Some of my friends have the 2018 Air. Also no problems.
@@xreed8 phones' CPUs are ARM CPUs, they don't generate much heat and are much more efficient with power consumption
That's one of the reasons Apple plans to use them in its laptops in the near future and why Microsoft and other companies tried using them before
That's no excuse for the thermal performances of the MacBook pros and air though, they should had designed them way better to manage and reduce heat
Darcer's Tech I have a 2018 quad core i7 and have thermal issues :(
I want a (2015) Macbook Pro SE with the internals of a maxed out 16" Macbook Pro
...and 16" Macbook Pro trackpad
Dave, please don't defend apple on this, they could've just gone the AMD Route, and no one would blame them.
amd mobile chips are shit rn imo they shouldve waited for 4000 ryzen series
MustafaPlayzTr wdym have you seen recent amd reviews of the amd chip killing the intel chip in both single- and multi-threaded performance with less power consumption? How are they sh*t?
@Ahmad Hamdi Well Apple has always been standard, so reviewers have just defaulted to explaining their shinegans to the uneducated consumer rather than just bashing them. I mean Apple still refuses to use nvdia gpus, despite them clearly being better, cause of some feud from a while ago
That's not how industry works. Intel and apple have a contract
@@mustafaplayztr7828 no ryzen 3000 series is already more worthy than Intel 10 series.
Honestly, I've never seen any of Apple's Macbooks without a 'fatty' price tag.
Dave, I don't fully agree with your assertion that Ice Lake is forcing price bumps, as many laptops use Ice Lake chips without any bump in price. MS kept their Surface Laptop 3 the same price with Ice Lake, $999.
Jacob Rhoades Well then MS is just absorbing the costs instead of pushing it to the consumers; doesn’t matter, the point is that Intel is a greedy bastard
I love Dave's videos, I like the video first then start to watch it.
Is it just me or there are others as well?
Love from Nepal 🙏
0:31 people be like: "I'm pissed.. royally pissed.."
I am not gonna sugercoat it, I'm pissed. Royally pissed
Mac users are not a monolith
Excuse me gentleman, someone's white wife is here to pick them up.
Funny how key and peele and d2d audiences converge here
@@chrisyako89 Is her name Emily？
"not everybody wants extra gpu power for their workflow" .. what?!
I don't need a powerful gpu for my work at all. I bet there are plenty of people for whom MBA iGPU level graphics is enough
@@besizzo why buying a PRO version than?
PC guys can't handle the reality that not everyone wants to play games
@@fullalbums5675 even if i dont play games, my computer should be able to run games, specially when its $1800
Privat Ebenfalls Privat better display, better speakers, decent cooling system. Also I believe that U chips will last you longer than Y chips that Airs have. It doesn’t really matter if you change your machine once in a couple of years though
you are missing the WHOLE point dave:
apple already makes you pay over the roof price for their hardware, so it MUST have the latest components, no matter if the performance gain is minimal
apple overpirced bro android is cool i like watching pewdiepie oh yea and zoom bad.
Shut the fuck up. You dont have any proof as to why its overpriced. Give me some proof and ill believe that its overpriced.
@@2eewoihwuef671 you don't need proof. I could get a windows 10 Gaming pc with better specs for less
@@2eewoihwuef671 i shouldn't even reply to a cementhead like you, but whatever:
at 3:02 you can see the specs of the macbook air and its price (1500$), now let's spend the same price on a windows laptop, and you get a full fledge gaming laptop capable of running every game ( an example here - www.amazon.com/ASUS-Notebook-Computer-R7-3750H-Bluetooth/dp/B07WTQ2YWN/ref=sr_1_158?dchild=1&keywords=notebook+gaming&qid=1588844810&sr=8-158) or a super portable and long lastgin battery one (www.amazon.com/A10RAS-097/dp/B087ZYQYNQ/ref=sr_1_154?dchild=1&keywords=notebook+gaming&qid=1588844810&sr=8-154)
these are only 2 example, as i obviously cant browse the whole amazon for you, just search for 1500$ laptops and see it yourself
@@Geffry993 sorry i was getting a little to toxic there. But you cant forget the build quality and screen. Its a little overpriced, but not overpriced as much as people complain about it
@@eu2473 i mean a lot of 1000+ laptops still have plastic. The build quality is good imo
Dave wanting to go back to sleep, but Apple ain't having any of that 😂
They'll probably kidnap him
Bruh he lives in the states
Me: damn it's already 4am. Gotta sleep
Dave: Uploads...About that CPU
5 AM here
7:41PM here in Brazil
You do very good videos. No bullshit, informative, to the point and enthusiastic. Much more difficult than it looks.
Nothing pro about this.
It took apple years to fix their defective keyboard.
When you're paying a premium price I expect the latest chips.
The price is definitely premium.
I have had the 13 inch for 3 years now, and never had any problems or had to take to apple ever. shows how unreliable they are.
im either lucky or everyone else is unlucky
My 2015 still can last 5 years yeah!!!!
Still on my 2011 MBP and its still like a tank
@@Yogi5D couldn't agree more. Still using that 13" i7 model. Yeah it has gotten a bit slow due to 4gb ram and heavy softwares nowadays. And its battery is at replace soon for the past 6 months. Apart from that, its an awesome device. Still hoping to get atleast a year or 2 out of it. Already 9 yrs old which is quite an achievement for a laptop.
I also have a 2015 pro and it's still speedy AF but the only thing I hate is having no storage 😭
Sitting on my ‘14 and it’s still fantastic. The Retina screen is still beautiful. Maybe the 14” in the future will be worth the upgrade.
Raxio ra thats odd. I don’t have any issues running any softwares.
They should just stick to AMD, Intel's processors haven't improved in 3 generations
Yes
I suspect they'll stick to Intel until their own processors are ready. If the rumors are true, which i think they are, it just wouldn't make sense to figure things out with AMD as yet another contractor. it would save them so much $$$.
they have to keep using intel if they want to use those nice thunderbolt port
@@rickotap3859 Look at their tablets performance gain year over year. Nothing spectacular about it.
I am spamming my 2018 model keyboard really hard now. Apple Store promised me a replacement if the keyboard breaks again.
Allan Sh fight the power!
you won't get a Magic Keyboard though
@@leondroidgeeks I upgraded ram to 16GB. Refurbished replacement rarely has that spec.
Why is there no wifi 6 on a 10th gen Intel device??? This is ridiculous...
Almost no one can utilise the speeds of wifi 6 anyways, it's just a spec flex.
@@user-oe1nt4pp8n it's not only about the speed
Ben its future proofing
@@thebravegallade731 exactly, and Apple is just screwing up everything at this point by not joining the trend
as what pico said....its just a flexing thing at this current point....most people don't have Wifi 6 compatible routers, or broadband speeds that can utilize Wifi 6...so what's the point of having it.. "future proofing" isn't really a valid excuse currently... the truth is...for 90% of the people out there (INCLUDING MYSELF).....Wifi 5 is good enough.. and yes i did try out Wifi 6 with reasonable speeds coming from a 3rd world country
Stop justifying apple like that, don’t u know even their MacBook Air now using 10 gen intel chip and lower price .. people buying pro version of course expecting more but how the hell they still gonna put the old 8 gen chip from the least a year back to this new device.
Sanc Max the air might have 10 gen chips but because of the cooling issues it’s practically the same as the MacBook Pro
The cooling issues can be fixed but apple purposely done it to make the air a bit slight or just to distinguish both devices by cutting part of the cooling firmwares inside , but that's unrelated though to explain why they put 8 gen old chip back from 2018 or 2019.
Sanc Max Yeah “tEnTh gEn” lol, the Geekbench scores don’t say so.
Sanc Max Of course they put a worse thermal solution to distinguish between the Air and Pro models. They don’t their laptops that are advertised as “thin and light” to be fast or faster than the Pro models.
Cookie Monster for now entry level 16inch is obviously a better choice compared to buying those upgrades Apple offers for 13 inch MacBook Pro, which is a clean refresh in every way not like this one.
I don’t understand the argument Dave. It’s simple, Apple “updated” their MacBooks and made little changes to the low end version, and big changes to the high end. Either the high end versions were overpriced before, or the low end versions are overpriced now. Either way sucks
Yet many sheeps defends that
Sadly, we don't have a lot of companies which produces high-quality computers which can match Apple's. The build quality of Apple is just superb, hands down.
@@nahiyanalamgir7614 Razer blade
@@clickbaitpro One of the few.
@@nahiyanalamgir7614 Dell XPS 13? since this is a 13 inch as well
So we pay very premium prices for an old cpu 🤔.
NeuesTestament we pay very premium prices for anything apple.
Price has gone down
I like how understated his reviews are but also really informative. I have no need or want for a Mac, but I enjoy his reviews.. so I watch.
I want to get the 16" MBP but I'm holding out for the 2020 refresh. I would prefer a better camera, 10th gen chips and wifi 6.
Better camera? Good luck because laptop cams are shit, even among the best
@@Fran-ji6sk for professional work. Definitely not
@@Fran-ji6sk Your comment is totally stupid. If somone is interested in an 16" device i doubt he will profit from the arm based ones which might not even come in 2020 ... and even if there are ARM MacBooks coming in 2020 Macbook Pros are not gonna come with Arm for the next years. thats for sure.
You mean the redesign right? Or the ARM based thing?
KDL Guarantee you didn’t care about WiFi 6 until you heard this MacBook update didn’t come with it.
The mental gymnastics is strong in this one 😂😂😂
It's really nice you clear things out. It totally makes sense the way they are using the 8th gen CPU.
Wait so you’re telling me apple is getting more consumer centric? jesus 2020 is weirdd
Not really. Its overpriced as shit. For cheaper i can get the new asus zephyrus with far better cpu and gpu
It's been 2 years of this though
The wheels cost $700.
They're never going to be consumer friendly.
San mattew the problem is you can’t compare windows to mac os . Some people rather pay more for better build quality and os
@@sanmattew7221 I dare you try to do constant productive tasks on a gamer machine.
"for most people" a Chromebook would be enough. Lol.
That is actually true, if that doesn't include you just remember you are just one person, not the the whole population. Broaden your view, you will understand what he means.
No one wants a fucking Chromebook lol
not even a little. they're trash
Faisal Fardin ur just mad cause you bought a chrome book and are filled with regret
Chrome books suck ass
You forgot to mention the base model of the Apple laptop lineup has ddr3 , which is (in my eyes) the easiest upgrade that should happen
Just be straight up with us Dave， did Apple tell you to put up this video to justify the old component they put in the PRO line in almost mid
2020?
dont ask dumb questions.
@@peterdozal8825 that's not a dump question. I can't believe anyone on earth would put a 3 year old cpu in a new mac pro line just to cut cost.
while the entry level Air gets the newest 10th gen. Especially from dave.
You obviously don't know to whom you talking to. Dave is a well known Windows laptop lover, eventhough he's using a Macbook at the same time. People started accusing stupidly just because the person they watched not having the same views as theirs. Pathetic! And you also didn't watch the test between the old 2019 Pro 13 base model that crushed the Air 2020 10th gen in medium to intensive work - so much for the 10th gen & newer lpddr4 Ram! I don't always aggree with Dave. But he has lots of valid points in this video.
@@sttv1570 dude you have no idea what you talking about of course the 8 gen cpu on the pro will crushed the Air cuz the Air is using the Y version of the 10 gen Intel's cpus which is a low-powered variant while the pro uses the U version which is Intel's workhorse, compare the 8 gen on the pro with a 10 gen counterpart like the one on the Surface Laptop 3 and the results will be different, sure the Macbook Pro will fare good but just because of MacOs is like comparing Iphone and Android, still there is absolutely no excuse for Apple to not put a 10 gen cpu on the new Macbook Pro specially when it comes at the same price point as previous versions which had the latest cpus when they debuted.
Yordan Montero You are talking like Apple only introduced one type of 13 inch model. If you care so much about 10th gen and lpddr4 Ram, Apple does provide that selection in the newly launched Pro 13, albeit at the higher tier. Just fork out extra cash. Oh you didn't want to? Then thats not Apple problem. The choice is there, if you don't have the budget, just go elsewhere. Heck, a windows laptop with Quad HD screen, great design, great processors also don't come cheap today.
So Apple didn’t want to absorb the cost of the expensive processor and knew raising the price won’t sell the laptop so they put in old processors? Pathetic!
Samsung: hmm sounds familiar
Literally every company is like this.
Finally! A video that talks about the specific cpu models and their performance.
Ah, a man looking at things objectively.
I won’t be mad if that screen would’ve been 14 inch.
@@rohanwadhwa9027 Wouldn't*. You annoying piece of shit.
Ryan Higa why are you trying to be nigahiga
@@rohanwadhwa9027 Ryan Higa is my real name, you dipshit. Two people can have the same name.
Why are you mad at a laptop
Ryan Higa oh haha calm down
Thank you for being so informative. You really are the best in my humble opinion 🤝
Just like the Iphone SE... They had some 8th generation Intels laying around in the warehouse that they could not sell... They decided to sell it like this.
it would have been fine HAD THEY SLASHED THE PRICE
ducc why? Then it would make the air completely obsolete!
That is exactly what happened 😂
“No one wants a faster better computer” well you earned a dislike from me.
I don’t think people want to overpay for recycled CPUs.
So true, very surprised he said this. The 8th Gen chips are from 2017/2018 I believe, should have been 10th Gen across the board
With negligible CPU performance in the last 3 years that's out of your control and you want to force consumers to pay more because of your vendor? Hey, the 10th Gen models are there and like Dave said, with a fatty price tag. But if you don't need or want it, just go with the 8th Gen model.
Apple still gave you a choice to pick.
always simple and straight to the point thats why i like this channel so much
“This marks the End of the whole butterfly keyboard Error!” Perfect statement!
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Thanks for clearing this up Dave!
As a student about to start grad school with slightly more demanding needs than the average person I am confidently getting the base MPB with 16gigs of ram over the MBA i5.
why a macbook? better value in windows, even if windows is shit, the hardware from apple is pretty offensive
just try to upgrade anything, after you buy it. youll understand
@@bradhaines3142 I'm proficient but hate Windows OS. Software is outdated and buggy, plus it looks trash. I yearn for MacOS again.
And my current thinkpad crashes now whenever I lift/move the device around. I suspect that's because I was carrying it around for 5 months as if it was built out of aluminum.
get a mac its actually good i was initially hesitant but I don't regret it . I am a cs grad btw
@@raptoreeninefour467 not saying mac isnt good, i just hate how you cant fix or upgrade anything with their hardware.
windows is seriously trash, but my laptop is aluminum all around and i travel all the time, its still plenty solid.
on top of that ive upgraded to 32gb ram and added 2tb ssd to it incredibly cheap (especially compared to apples prices)
so if i needed to do that and had apple, id just be SOL.
oh and my wifi card crapped out, replaced that for 25$, cant do that with apple either.
@@bradhaines3142 yes of course i too have a Windows machine. For me the issue was windows laptops usually after 3 years its difficult to make replacement. I have an HP envy and i stuggled to find a suitable keyboard replacement. While mac has absurd reparability. Where ever u are u can go to a store and eventually get it repaired. But yea its depends on user
I have a 16" and I was worried the new 14" would make me regret my purchase. But by keeping the 13" screen, and seeing the price and specs difference, as you said, a 16" is such a better proposition if you don't need a smaller and lighter laptop.
I understand that not everybody needs that extra power with the 10th gen of Intel processor. But for a brand like Apple which are premium devices, when you pay more than $1,000 you wanna get the last specs of hardware. I think Apple just sell what they couldn't sell with their last Macbook Pro and the butterfly keyboard.
Hopefully, they will upgrade their Macbook pro by the end of the year with more significant refresh.
I guess most people do not buy MacBook Air, Pro, etc primarily for the specs. If they did, they probably wouldn't be buying Apple products at all. There are Windows laptops which are much cheaper, with equal or better specs.
People mostly buy Apple products for the build quality, aesthetics, OS, assembly, etc. Apple focuses a lot on that. Not a lot of companies focus primarily on the build quality. For example, I've yet to see a laptop which has an equally good or better trackpad than a MacBook Pro, Air, etc. Never have I seen a laptop which overall looks and feel better than any MacBook. Again, just my opinion, but I can say that there are a lot of people just like me and will buy an Apple product mainly for the balance of specs, build quality, and everything that comes with it - especially the OS, which you're not going to get elsewhere.
As for this Intel thing, Apple is stubborn as always and won't pay a lot for these newer Intel chips; thus they are delaying the upgrades. Hopefully, things will be lot different once they move on to their own chips.
Anyway, Apple spends a lot of money trying to improve all these. If they focused more on the specs, the build quality would have to suffer a lot, provided that you keep the same price. And yes, Apple does try to profit from their products at the end of the day, just like any other company.
Eyan Towni Interesting what you say and I agree with your opinion
@@arnaud_67 I find your previous comment interesting too. It's nice to see things from other's perspective.
The saddest thing is that the Macbook Air 2020 would outperforme the 13“ Pro 2020 if it had a heat sink while it is cheaper. Thats just sad af and called a total dick move in bird culture.
Still a 2018 MacBook “Pro?”
Richard Hsiao yep with new keyboard
Everyone: let’s put a tube light near the ceiling
Dave: let’s put two of them near the junction of wall...
I actually like the arrangement though; they look like dueling light sabers ! 😁🤣
You forgot about the “Ok so...” at the beginning of Dave’s statement 😆
The entry-level MBP just doesn't make sense. For the same price, you can get the new Air with more modern CPU, RAM, and double the storage. Yes, the Pro is more suitable for CPU heavy tasks, but at that price point you're settling for very basic specs that you wouldn't want if you're going to do CPU heavy tasks anyway.
Yet the 2020 Air comes with a 10th gen CPU, albeit they are the Y variants.
Strange you didn't mention this.
Another great video Dave! Keep them coming.
Looks like I'm going to hang on to my 2012 MBP 13" a little longer
I wish I could, too, but about five of the keys no longer print letters. Bummer! I tried compressed air, but they still don't work, and I don't want to buy a new keyboard for $250! Bad timing because Apple is transitioning from Intel processors to ARM-based processors soon I heard.
“Not everybody wants...” well, I guess I would never comprehend why I would buy something that has old innards for that freakin’ price.
Well you get what you pay for. We are paying about 1399 over to 2000 dollars or even more than that. A increase in graphics or performance shouldn’t hurt!
_“Then we're just paying more for stuff we may not necessarily need!”_
Except you're forgetting Dave, that's the entire point of Apple.
Apple's customers *_like_* being dominated by Apple. They *_want_* Apple to put them in a gimp suit and tie a leash on them.
You don't buy a Mac to do work. You buy one to be fashionable; to have a sexy laptop, with the biggest numbers, including the price tag.
didint know apple fans were masochistic lmao
Nice theory
lol ridiculous
This "new" 13 inch MBP is a big middle finger to the consumer
Thank you for the video specially the CPU clarification.
apple called: defend 8th gen chip in MacBook 13 2020
lol
Well Dave has consistently criticized apple when they went wrong
@@ojasthengadi9681 paying a premium price for a 2 year old chip.
Dave again pro apple. I miss when you turned briefly to the good side. Seems a good keyboard and good form factor is more important to you than price or performance.
Agree, lately his reviews have become Pro apple than pro consumer.
Agree, half of this video about costant bragging other stuff (Trackpad, Battery, Keyboard, ect) that already main selling point back in 2008 macbook pro LoL
Can't really agree with that. As a developer I'm using a MBP 13" 2016 with two external 4k monitors. The big problem is exactly graphics power and RAM usage because of the way macos handles scaling. Currently I'm using an eGPU but the workflow is hampered quite significantly with it (wait for disconnect, apps closing and reopening, etc.) and the performance difference isn't really worth it so I'm going to get rid of it. I sure hope they'll put a dedicated gpu in the 14" refresh (if there will even be any), otherwise the only option is the 16".
I was so close to having the perfect ecosystem