My issue with all the mold channels is Iv found absolutely no one that says how low the spore should be for air . I know Ermi should be low but no one gives help with the air . Mold guys don’t really come to a house if air counts are considered low, they won’t come and clean anything get rid of the dust for you. Why can’t anyone give a real answer? There’s an insinuation air tests are not good enough but as some have told me, it’s hard to argue against them, if it’s not in the air , then it isn’t coming in contact with you anyways. However many people sound alarms that even if air tests are low you are secretly getting poisoned. So idk what to make of it. Kind of hard to deny that logic that if it’s not in the air, then you aren’t inhaling it. This is why some say do ermi but if it’s only on the floor then just dust? I’m sensitive to something but frankly functional doctors charge 600 for a long consultation and then suggest spending a grand on tests. It’s wild.
Honest inspectors charge only for the samples they need to take. We spend thousands to get certified to correctly understand and interpret thermograms (thermal images) as well. Just buying a thermal imager is a waste if you are not trained on how to use it. Just saying…
I absolutely agree that inspectors are incredibly valuable and vital to proper mold remediation protocol development and assistance in pinpointing the exact source. HOWEVER, so many people can not afford proper help and many are renting and their landlords refuse to assist. In some of these cases the individual may only be able to afford a couple hundred dollars (which is not enough to pay for both the inspector's valuable time and the samples they need to take), so those individuals may only be able to afford DIY at home tests to see if mold is a factor in their health or not. If it is, and their landlord will not assist, some chose to move rather than dump money into a home that is not theirs. It's a very complex and nuanced set of circumstances for many people which I'm sure you can appreciate and sometimes people's budgets simply do not allow for the highest level of care which is why I try to provide low cost options in my videos and my videos are all free for those that can't afford to pay for expensive functional medicine practitioners.
Thanks for your reply. I guess I am little different than most inspectors as I always try and help my clients especially if they have limited budgets…but I agree that there will always be a need for self testing and your information is great. I have seen folks contaminate samples and also get ill trying to deal with sampling as they are just not trained to do it safely but again, I guess that’s where you’re helping which is very cool. Thanks for what you are doing as I wish more folks would know about how dangerous some molds can be, especially in my market in South Louisiana…
@@chipfornaris I think we're definitely in agreement that mold is dangerous and tough to deal with, often expensive, and there's such a strong need for education and assistance in this area! Thank YOU for what you do helping people find mold in their homes!
OMG this is SO WRONG!!! there is NO DIFFERENCE between indoor and outdoor mold! Outdoor mold COMES INSIDE when you open the door, track dirt in, open windows, etc. WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM??? Mold grows where water damage is. Stachy has an extremely high moisture requirement, and yes it's hard to detect with spore traps.... but OTHER types of mold such as Chaetomium and Ulocladium have similar requirements and are easier to detect. AGITATE the environment during a test??? Seriously??? ALL that is going to do is OVERLOAD the sample medium so that the laboratory CANNOT READ and identify the spores! Please take this down!... it's HIGHLY MISLEADING!!!
It sounds like you’re coming from a different perspective than me here. And that’s ok to disagree. But that doesn’t make what I’m saying incorrect - especially for people with CIRS. Please research the work of Dr Shoemaker for additional information in this area.
@@KristenBlakeWellness Yeah... my perspective is actually doing the mold remediation and inspection/testing services for over 20 years... and it doesn't matter what you have... what you said about indoor and outdoor mold, and air sampling procedures is absolutely incorrect. Never heard anything so ill-informed. Do some research yourself on the science itself. Did Dr. Shoemaker tell you that you should stir up dust off of furniture during a test to make sure you got a good mold sample??? That's certainly not going to lend him any credibility on the matter.
@@KristenBlakeWellness The idea behind taking air samples both indoor and outdoor is to compare the air you are BREATHING inside to the air you are BREATHING outside. Unless you are spending most of your time indoors with your nose 6-8 inches off the floor, that's not a very accurate comparison is it? If home owners were to follow your suggestion, telling the tester to sample closer to the floor, or to kick up dust during the test, that could very easily invalidate or overload the samples such that the client would have to have the test re-done... costing them HUNDREDS of dollars.... Then who would be liable... hmm??? I'm trying to HELP you here. My perspective is 20 years of experience in the industry. I seriously doubt any inspector would comply with such a request, but diy air sample kits seem to be trending, and you could easily cost them that money... or worse it could send them into a panic over skewed results that ends up costing them thousands for unnecessary work.
@@williammiller6110 yes I realize why air samples are taken indoors vs outdoors with traditional air sample (for comparison). That is different however than ERMI and HERTSMI scoring which is looking at the different types of indoors vs outdoor molds and scoring them based on the clinical data available on the indoor types detrimental effects on the health of certain populations, most notably CIRS patients (PubMed is a great resource as is Dr Shoemaker's website should you wish to explore this topic further). I understand that in a typical air sampling test you would not agitate the area and you do not look at the different types as problematic. I apologize if I wasn't clear in the video I made three years ago but these videos are helpful for those who become sick from mold, aka CIRS patients. I myself am a CIRS patient and was deathly ill when living in a home that was moldy by the standards I'm discussing in the video, but "completely safe and fine" based on the standards you are discussing here. Please read that last sentence again. I was deathly ill in a "safe" by your standards house. This is different than what you are talking about with "regular" people and regular air testing. Thank you for sharing your opinions and advice and for trying to help. I truly think you and I are discussing totally different things with different health populations so our opinions are not going to line up here. While I appreciate what you are sharing, I truly feel my video is needed advice for the 25% of the world's population that carry the specific HLA genotype that predisposes them to CIRS with mold exposure. I hope that helps and I hope we can agree to disagree.
My objection was to your suggestion that a standard air sample test (not ermi) be taken closer to the floor and/or the area being tested be disturbed to increase the chances of detection. That's what I heard, and it will invalidate a standard test. I Did not address safe standards or the validity of specialized testing such as ERMI. ERMI is a new one on me. It seems to me that nobody is able to properly interpret standard tests... which is probably why they are having to come up with new ones. The problem is not the spores that are traveling in the air.... the problem is the DIRT that is hiding where you cannot see it. (dirt contains both the spores AND the food... add water and walah!.. you got mold)
Excellent video, found it very helpful.
5 windows in a household 5 floods living a basement downhill the mold cooking me like a white castle burger
Awesome info tysm
Can we buy the thermal imaging camera ourselves?
Thank you
That’s what I was thinking as well🤔
yes and get training
My issue with all the mold channels is Iv found absolutely no one that says how low the spore should be for air . I know Ermi should be low but no one gives help with the air .
Mold guys don’t really come to a house if air counts are considered low, they won’t come and clean anything get rid of the dust for you.
Why can’t anyone give a real answer? There’s an insinuation air tests are not good enough but as some have told me, it’s hard to argue against them, if it’s not in the air , then it isn’t coming in contact with you anyways. However many people sound alarms that even if air tests are low you are secretly getting poisoned. So idk what to make of it.
Kind of hard to deny that logic that if it’s not in the air, then you aren’t inhaling it. This is why some say do ermi but if it’s only on the floor then just dust?
I’m sensitive to something but frankly functional doctors charge 600 for a long consultation and then suggest spending a grand on tests. It’s wild.
Thanks pretty mold lady.
🤣
Cold spot doesn't 100% mean water, could also mean bad insulation
Very true! But it's can be a good start in the investigation process!
verify with a moisture meter.....
What is an "ermi"?
www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/?v=7516fd43adaa
Honest inspectors charge only for the samples they need to take. We spend thousands to get certified to correctly understand and interpret thermograms (thermal images) as well. Just buying a thermal imager is a waste if you are not trained on how to use it. Just saying…
I absolutely agree that inspectors are incredibly valuable and vital to proper mold remediation protocol development and assistance in pinpointing the exact source. HOWEVER, so many people can not afford proper help and many are renting and their landlords refuse to assist. In some of these cases the individual may only be able to afford a couple hundred dollars (which is not enough to pay for both the inspector's valuable time and the samples they need to take), so those individuals may only be able to afford DIY at home tests to see if mold is a factor in their health or not. If it is, and their landlord will not assist, some chose to move rather than dump money into a home that is not theirs. It's a very complex and nuanced set of circumstances for many people which I'm sure you can appreciate and sometimes people's budgets simply do not allow for the highest level of care which is why I try to provide low cost options in my videos and my videos are all free for those that can't afford to pay for expensive functional medicine practitioners.
Thanks for your reply. I guess I am little different than most inspectors as I always try and help my clients especially if they have limited budgets…but I agree that there will always be a need for self testing and your information is great. I have seen folks contaminate samples and also get ill trying to deal with sampling as they are just not trained to do it safely but again, I guess that’s where you’re helping which is very cool.
Thanks for what you are doing as I wish more folks would know about how dangerous some molds can be, especially in my market in South Louisiana…
@@chipfornaris I think we're definitely in agreement that mold is dangerous and tough to deal with, often expensive, and there's such a strong need for education and assistance in this area! Thank YOU for what you do helping people find mold in their homes!
OMG this is SO WRONG!!! there is NO DIFFERENCE between indoor and outdoor mold! Outdoor mold COMES INSIDE when you open the door, track dirt in, open windows, etc. WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM??? Mold grows where water damage is. Stachy has an extremely high moisture requirement, and yes it's hard to detect with spore traps.... but OTHER types of mold such as Chaetomium and Ulocladium have similar requirements and are easier to detect. AGITATE the environment during a test??? Seriously??? ALL that is going to do is OVERLOAD the sample medium so that the laboratory CANNOT READ and identify the spores! Please take this down!... it's HIGHLY MISLEADING!!!
It sounds like you’re coming from a different perspective than me here. And that’s ok to disagree. But that doesn’t make what I’m saying incorrect - especially for people with CIRS. Please research the work of Dr Shoemaker for additional information in this area.
@@KristenBlakeWellness Yeah... my perspective is actually doing the mold remediation and inspection/testing services for over 20 years... and it doesn't matter what you have... what you said about indoor and outdoor mold, and air sampling procedures is absolutely incorrect. Never heard anything so ill-informed. Do some research yourself on the science itself. Did Dr. Shoemaker tell you that you should stir up dust off of furniture during a test to make sure you got a good mold sample??? That's certainly not going to lend him any credibility on the matter.
@@KristenBlakeWellness The idea behind taking air samples both indoor and outdoor is to compare the air you are BREATHING inside to the air you are BREATHING outside. Unless you are spending most of your time indoors with your nose 6-8 inches off the floor, that's not a very accurate comparison is it? If home owners were to follow your suggestion, telling the tester to sample closer to the floor, or to kick up dust during the test, that could very easily invalidate or overload the samples such that the client would have to have the test re-done... costing them HUNDREDS of dollars.... Then who would be liable... hmm??? I'm trying to HELP you here. My perspective is 20 years of experience in the industry. I seriously doubt any inspector would comply with such a request, but diy air sample kits seem to be trending, and you could easily cost them that money... or worse it could send them into a panic over skewed results that ends up costing them thousands for unnecessary work.
@@williammiller6110 yes I realize why air samples are taken indoors vs outdoors with traditional air sample (for comparison). That is different however than ERMI and HERTSMI scoring which is looking at the different types of indoors vs outdoor molds and scoring them based on the clinical data available on the indoor types detrimental effects on the health of certain populations, most notably CIRS patients (PubMed is a great resource as is Dr Shoemaker's website should you wish to explore this topic further). I understand that in a typical air sampling test you would not agitate the area and you do not look at the different types as problematic. I apologize if I wasn't clear in the video I made three years ago but these videos are helpful for those who become sick from mold, aka CIRS patients. I myself am a CIRS patient and was deathly ill when living in a home that was moldy by the standards I'm discussing in the video, but "completely safe and fine" based on the standards you are discussing here. Please read that last sentence again. I was deathly ill in a "safe" by your standards house. This is different than what you are talking about with "regular" people and regular air testing. Thank you for sharing your opinions and advice and for trying to help. I truly think you and I are discussing totally different things with different health populations so our opinions are not going to line up here. While I appreciate what you are sharing, I truly feel my video is needed advice for the 25% of the world's population that carry the specific HLA genotype that predisposes them to CIRS with mold exposure. I hope that helps and I hope we can agree to disagree.
My objection was to your suggestion that a standard air sample test (not ermi) be taken closer to the floor and/or the area being tested be disturbed to increase the chances of detection. That's what I heard, and it will invalidate a standard test. I Did not address safe standards or the validity of specialized testing such as ERMI. ERMI is a new one on me. It seems to me that nobody is able to properly interpret standard tests... which is probably why they are having to come up with new ones.
The problem is not the spores that are traveling in the air.... the problem is the DIRT that is hiding where you cannot see it. (dirt contains both the spores AND the food... add water and walah!.. you got mold)
Just want to know how to test not all about it.