It's truly shocking that an open ISA specification released barely more than a decade ago is running a working *desktop*. Stunning, considering how long it takes many open source software projects to spin up to critical mass. I also just got one of these boards and demoed it at work, where we make extensive use of embedded computers, from simple 8-bit chips to more powerful ARM hardware. My boss has been evaluating RISC-V as an option considering ARM's recent pricing...shenanigans.
Fortunately nearly everything for a desktop is written in fairly plain C. Portability of C may not be great but it is good. With care, I have been able to write stuff that works exactly the same on 32 bit and 64 bit machines.
Consider that the Linux kernel runs on over two dozen major processor architectures, which is close to one for every year it has been in existence. And you can get full Linux-based development/deployment stacks on all those architectures. Open Source software finds it much easier to port to new architectures than proprietary software does. Consider, for comparison, that Microsoft has been struggling for over a decade to try to get Windows running in a useful fashion on ARM, and the odds of having Windows on RISC-V are essentially zero.
I am not at all surprised that the Linux community are on top of the game though, it's a very exciting platform with so many possibilities for being FOSH! I am always wondering how many cores, caches, memory, GPU and other options/configurations computer architects will come up with on the platform for having the freedom to go nuts with it only restricted by their ingenuity, and sadly their budget! I want 256 cores, 512 threads, gigs of cache and TB's of memory!😜
In my opinion, it is up to the hardware manufacturers to upstream their drivers. Throwing boards out there and hoping that someone else will fix the software isn't the way forward.
The idea to START developing the RISC-V ISA, from nothing, was barely more than a decade ago. The first publication of essentially the current user-mode base ISA was in 2015, 7-8 years ago, but the system-level ISA was quite different back then, and the full base ISA -- User and Privileged (as needed for a Linux kernel) -- was formally ratified in July 2019, less than four years ago.
When I think back to the PC I had when I started university many moons ago.... p120, 16mb ram, 1gb HD. This little board is lightyears ahead, and probably costs less than my mouse back then. Interesting times. If only food were cheaper!
120 MHz and 16 MB RAM!! Sheer luxury. I started on 1 MHz 6502 with 16 *kilo* bytes of RAM. Well, ok 32k actually. And given the Pentium can run 1-2 32 bit instructions per clock cycle while the 6502 takes on average about 4 clock cycles per 8 bit instruction that's more like 1000:1 ratio in speed as well as RAM.
LOL "If you were interested in inspecting every frame in a video then this would be perfect" I immediately started humming to myself, Monty Python's "always look on the bright side of life". Good on you Gary keep up the awesome work I luv your channel.
We're used to computers that instantly run our programs and have quick video. But this is actually better than the computers many of us older folks got started on. Besides, this is not designed to be a desktop system. It will do fine for its intended purpose. Great video.
I'd actually argue that we older folks who remember well slow booting computers from years ago are now more than likely to have the patience to not worry too much about that now with some of these smaller SBCs - at home, for example, I am still using a Thinkpad T22 from around 2002 and a 700 MHz Pentium III CPU with 512 MB RAM just because I can. It runs a very "slim" and optimised version of Gentoo Linux, it has an i3 tiling window manager and at least a couple of times a month I sit in my workshop using it to do some shell scripting while SSH-ed into my home server with mutt email open in a second desktop and a music player on a third desktop. It has a great keyboard and it takes me back to the glorious days of distraction-free computing that I used to enjoy. The first computer that I used to connect to the Internet was a Commodore Amiga A1200 running at 14 MHz with around 8MB RAM over a dial-up modem and running the "iBrowse" web browser - and it was still utterly fascinating back then too. With the rise of Linux and Open Source, and now hardware becoming more and more open, this an an amazing time to be into computing.
@@KameraShy You can laugh, but I was involved, this century, in the implementation of a great big new records system; as a user, I kept on asking about how it could be customised for our needs. Eventually one of the poor sods who had to interface between vaporware and the user base said "You can change anything as long as it doesn't touch the Cobol."
Just received my two Mangoes. The RISC-V and ARM versions. Cannot wait to tinker with them and see what they can do. My strange brain noticed that the RPI Zero finished the GIMP test in Pi time 3:14. 😜 Be well my friend! Until next Sunday.... Cheers!
Hello Mr. Barnatt. Every Sunday when I'm sweeping and tidying up my house, upon hearing the music from the Explained Computers channel jingle, my daughter and I start dancing.... All the best to you!
I love your work, Chris. You have the right attitude, foresight, perspective and knowledge to make these videos a cut above the rest. I will see you again.. verrry soon.
I used to store my homework on cassette audio tapes- to me, that seems like not long ago. Now for not much more than the price of a pack of tapes is the entire computer with immensely more capability, in a package smaller than half an audio cassette. Amazing to me.
Very impressive! I'm still trying to wrap my head around RISC-V in its entirety, but I finally "pulled the trigger" and made a purchase for this exact board a couple of days ago. Hopefully, I can get in and figure it out better as I'd really like to contribute to the overall development due to its free and open nature.
My first computer was the utterly magnificent (in it's day) Dragon 32. Seeing such tiny little devices with almost infinitely better capabilities never fails to amaze me.
Dragon 32 was my second computer after the Vic-20. I think this was in 1983. I still own it to this day and it still works and I can play Chuckie Egg on it, among other games!!
Interesting little RISC-V single board computer. I found the comparison with the Raspberry Pi Zero W fun. Looking forward to your next video on this little board!
Another great new sbc Peter great job in this new Mango Pi nice to see new things and great to watch your channel weekly to see new and great exciting videos many thanks again
They missed an opportunity for a mango color solder mask! The pink is certainly distinctive, though. And the speed isn't terrible. Just wish they were sold at some other reseller.
Thanks for another comprehensive review Chris, showing that risc5 evolution is speeding up. This can only be positive as the development community seem to be fully behind it.
It is really impressive especially for the GIMP filtering test. RISC-V really a goods design for Low-Power and Cost Effective solution for the IC vendor.
Nice tiny device. I hope the royalty-free open-source license of RISC-V will inspire manufacturers furthermore. 11:00 “Inspect every frame”; I love that British humour.
Nice video as always, I appreciate keeping consistent with general tests of GUI applications, websites and video playback. But I'd be interested in seeing other things too.
@@stephensu4371 Digilent PYNQ board - with a combined SoC and FPGA chip has been around for a few years and looks fairly pink in the photos 😉 PYNQ by name and Pink by nature, I guess 😊
Thanks Chris for yet another very informative video. I will dare to predict that by 2025, RISC SOCs will be at the same level of ARM if more companies jump into it... I'd suggest all IT enthusiasts, to buy at least one of the new RISCs boards, to show support to this important technical development. For each of us may be a little sacrifice, but for the developpers will mean difference between further developping the boards or going belly-up...
Geopolitics will give RISC-V a huge boost as some countries will want to their infrastructure free of systems controlled by the West. RISC-V and Linux, basically.
Really good video, I'm happy to see the development of Risc V, I remember studying it on college years ago, I was fascinated to it. So its time to buy mango to try it. Thanks for the video.
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico. As always, thanks for the doing all the heavy lifting to bring your viewers such great videos and info. Great work! Things that crossed my mind after watching the Mango video, i.e., just thinking out loud to myself here: 1) since Ubuntu has a multi-core RISC-V OS, do we have a multi-core "Lubuntu" RISC-V OS? I have not found anything definitive on the web during a brief search. If so, test Lubuntu on the Mango for possible performance improvements; 2) what are overclocking values, and what are the commands to do this?; 3) since multi-core RISC-V SoC's already exist, how long before these are implemented on the Mango? Shouldn't be too long, I would think. Again, just thinking out loud here, rhetorically. :)
It blew Zero out of the water on the filter test, which I recon would be more processor intensive than anything. This looks like the perfect tinkering machine for anyone who wants to experiment with a Risc-V processor. Great video!
A perfect board for DIY projects that needs to run Full Linux instead of ESP8266/ESP32 with or without RTOS. The price is pretty good, not price/performance but is a beginning. Is nice to see a RISC-V in a RPI ZERO form factor 🥰
thanks for covering another RISC-V board, it's really cool to see the improvements both in hardware and software over the past few years and i hope we'll get a proper RISC-V based competitor to the raspberry pi. There are already a few attempts but none of them seemed to be quite there yet.
The SPI flash footprint on the underside of the board looks interesting. Also, the pad marked 'TVOUT' on the top could be fun - if it's composite out you could add an old-style RF modulator and have a retro style computer.
You are right -- I missed some tricks here. Adding SPI flash looks like a possibility, and we have composite video output pads as you say, as well as some audio output ones. A great board to tinker with!
I got interested in RISC-V since one of your first videos about it. I also have some projects that I wanted to run on a Raspberry Pi, but after watching this video, I went ahead and bought a mango pi from Aliexpress. I can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for inspiring my curiosity about RISC-V.
As more developers get involved, the optimisations for RISC-V and its associated graphics drivers will yield better results. I expect that future revisions of the hardware will also increase performance. These early RISC-V boards are important in starting the process whereby the platform improves over time.
What times we live in! Thanks fr the review Chris as always... It never ceases to amaze me of the progress SBCs have achieved, first Arm and now it's onto Risc-V.... it may seem fanciful, but I wonder if there will be a time when we can have a Quantum Single Board Computer? Anyone for a Qubit PI?
You can do it now easily on your own. Just take a Raspi and put it in a box with "SBC inside can be taken away for free" written on it. As long as you do not look, if someone already have taken it, you have a quantum Pi as it is in the box and not in the box at the same time. 🤯 More serious what should be the use case for a quantum SBC?
Awesome. Because I can install Armbian on the Mago Pi, I ordered one after seeing your review. I don't want to install an obscure OS from a vendor. I was just waiting for an affordable RISC-V SBC I could use with Armbian. Today is the day.
I'm glad to see such a computer. A return to the roots of SBCs, where manufacturers are not trying to add a powerful chip, but simply make an inexpensive board for developing automation devices and all that. I just recently developed one such device. I had to use an SBC because I had to connect peripherals via USB. Otherwise, a simple microcontroller (arduino or simmilar) could be used. //I know about USB host boards for arduino, but they didn't work for me - I do not have skills to implement the necessary protocols to communicate with my peripherals. Linux ons SBCs has built-in drivers that just work. This makes the task several orders of magnitude easier.
There is no "return to any roots" here given that ARM SBCs are doing essentially the same thing as PCs did (and still do) by giving you "more bang for your buck" as silicon technology and manufacturing processes improve - the dollars that paid for, say, a Core 2 Duo CPU some 15 years ago will by you some multi-core Ryzen monstrosity today. And I doubt any Pi 4 owner would welcome a "return" back to an original Pi 1, albeit there are still perfectly good things the Pi 1 can do. This is a "new" platform based on RISC-V as a more open technology than ARM - it is still early days, it does not have the same level of software support as ARM boards do and, sure, it will advance in the same way that Intel and ARM chips have been doing. But as of this moment in time, there is nothing you can do on a RISC-V board that you can't already do on an ARM board - the differences will no doubt emerge later on given that anyone can build any kind of RISC-V platform that they want to without any kind of licensing restrictions. I therefore look forward to where RISC-V goes in the future.
It's been put to inappropriate use! As if you pulled multiple 4k streams in over each USB-C or ran SSD speed tests on them, it's really not provisioned. Mehaps use AwesomeWM (awesome console?) and a console. If you try video use mpv. Don't bloody build kernels in 1 GB. Try to control an rc car to run a course, use speakers and mics to do noise control, or monitor photovoltaics (do inverters just do WiFi 6 as it is? No serial port tosh?) Hew a little. Bit. Towards nothing left to take away.
The rate of development is going to EXPLODE by orders of magnitude compared to x86 and ARM which are already mature... The cost, simplicity and open nature make RISC V a better future proof platform for the masses. I expect China will lead the way in development so expect trillions in investment as they are being forced to do so geopolitically.
I suspect that 64 bit vs 32 bit played a part in the filter test. Based on some looks at the number of instructions to do something I expect that fully optimized C on the RISK-V will be slightly slower than the ARM but not by a huge amount. ARM wins with having condition codes from math instruction to branch based on. RISC-V does have the ability to test registers and jump without needing to do an ALU operation to test.
The name is appetizing, and it looks nice! Perhaps I should invest in a mini PC or SBC one day, although these things are not quite for me, because I like PC's with upgradability, reparability, and processing power, and SBC's are nowhere near as powerful as a desktop, but they are inexpensive, so they look great for basic use case scenarios, and for people wanting cheap computers, that take up such little space on a desk. I do like these, they're just not practical for my needs.
Thank you Chris for another exciting video, looks like there is hope for RISC to catch up, but it will be a challenge. Until next time that's it and God bless.
I've been looking forward to you reviewing this one. I admit, the color was the thing that first attracted me, I'm that superficial. Interesting review, looking forward to more Pi Zero range RISC-V computers.
A most interesting board, and very welcome. I am particularly happy to see the use of USB-C connectors. It is a shame that this connector design took so long to be created. 😁 I gather that the header was a normal inclusion for this model - and that highlights a weakness in the approach of using two different stock items by Raspberry Pi. Your testing highlights why I am disappointed with the small memory of the Raspberry Pi Zero and Zero 2 in particular. The Zero 2 has all the CPU power of the "full size" Raspberry Pi 3, but it is all too easy to have Linux need to use virtual memory when there is only 512MB.
Another good video Chris, and recently going over my inventory of SBC's from the last ten years since my retirement, and all the projects they were used for, my interest has somewhat cooled for the latest and the greatest in SBC's. The most utility from all of the purchases has been the LattePanda, which are now to expensive for my hobby.
As always, a useful and enjoyable video. These tiny computers are for Makers and electronic enthusiasts to develop IOT devices and to do Physical computing. It would be great if they are evaluated against their ability do such things. It is very hard to believe any one will use them for everyday computing or video.
Great video! Did you notice in your tests whether this board has a low power or sleep mode? It would be useful to wake it up with a microcontroller without having to go through the complete boot process for certain things.
"Very stable indeed" *closes htop showing systemd has a failed process* Just giving you a jab, love the video, might replace my orangpi zero 2s with these for some small server tasks I have them doing.
That is actually _very_ impressive.
[edit] The Raspberry Pi board completed the lava filter test in 3:14 because...
Pi.
I had the same comment! Shame it wasn't done on 14th March ... or 31st April ...
@@ridefast0 Or, even better, on the 1st of April...
I bet that's a hard coded Easter egg in the benchmark
That's a true Pi right there
Came here to say exactly this
It's truly shocking that an open ISA specification released barely more than a decade ago is running a working *desktop*. Stunning, considering how long it takes many open source software projects to spin up to critical mass. I also just got one of these boards and demoed it at work, where we make extensive use of embedded computers, from simple 8-bit chips to more powerful ARM hardware. My boss has been evaluating RISC-V as an option considering ARM's recent pricing...shenanigans.
Fortunately nearly everything for a desktop is written in fairly plain C. Portability of C may not be great but it is good. With care, I have been able to write stuff that works exactly the same on 32 bit and 64 bit machines.
Consider that the Linux kernel runs on over two dozen major processor architectures, which is close to one for every year it has been in existence. And you can get full Linux-based development/deployment stacks on all those architectures. Open Source software finds it much easier to port to new architectures than proprietary software does.
Consider, for comparison, that Microsoft has been struggling for over a decade to try to get Windows running in a useful fashion on ARM, and the odds of having Windows on RISC-V are essentially zero.
I am not at all surprised that the Linux community are on top of the game though, it's a very exciting platform with so many possibilities for being FOSH! I am always wondering how many cores, caches, memory, GPU and other options/configurations computer architects will come up with on the platform for having the freedom to go nuts with it only restricted by their ingenuity, and sadly their budget! I want 256 cores, 512 threads, gigs of cache and TB's of memory!😜
In my opinion, it is up to the hardware manufacturers to upstream their drivers. Throwing boards out there and hoping that someone else will fix the software isn't the way forward.
The idea to START developing the RISC-V ISA, from nothing, was barely more than a decade ago. The first publication of essentially the current user-mode base ISA was in 2015, 7-8 years ago, but the system-level ISA was quite different back then, and the full base ISA -- User and Privileged (as needed for a Linux kernel) -- was formally ratified in July 2019, less than four years ago.
I think the mango pi did really well against the raspberry pi, it looks like Risk v is coming along steady.
Great video Chris as usual.
Thank you
I love the "Your tiny tiny tiny Card Computer" on the underside of the Pink PCB!
When I think back to the PC I had when I started university many moons ago.... p120, 16mb ram, 1gb HD. This little board is lightyears ahead, and probably costs less than my mouse back then. Interesting times. If only food were cheaper!
I couldn't agree morem-a I remember like when a 1 GB hard drive was a big deal. My God I'm getting old. Scary LOL
120 MHz and 16 MB RAM!! Sheer luxury. I started on 1 MHz 6502 with 16 *kilo* bytes of RAM. Well, ok 32k actually. And given the Pentium can run 1-2 32 bit instructions per clock cycle while the 6502 takes on average about 4 clock cycles per 8 bit instruction that's more like 1000:1 ratio in speed as well as RAM.
LOL "If you were interested in inspecting every frame in a video then this would be perfect" I immediately started humming to myself, Monty Python's "always look on the bright side of life". Good on you Gary keep up the awesome work I luv your channel.
We're used to computers that instantly run our programs and have quick video. But this is actually better than the computers many of us older folks got started on. Besides, this is not designed to be a desktop system. It will do fine for its intended purpose. Great video.
I'd actually argue that we older folks who remember well slow booting computers from years ago are now more than likely to have the patience to not worry too much about that now with some of these smaller SBCs - at home, for example, I am still using a Thinkpad T22 from around 2002 and a 700 MHz Pentium III CPU with 512 MB RAM just because I can.
It runs a very "slim" and optimised version of Gentoo Linux, it has an i3 tiling window manager and at least a couple of times a month I sit in my workshop using it to do some shell scripting while SSH-ed into my home server with mutt email open in a second desktop and a music player on a third desktop. It has a great keyboard and it takes me back to the glorious days of distraction-free computing that I used to enjoy.
The first computer that I used to connect to the Internet was a Commodore Amiga A1200 running at 14 MHz with around 8MB RAM over a dial-up modem and running the "iBrowse" web browser - and it was still utterly fascinating back then too.
With the rise of Linux and Open Source, and now hardware becoming more and more open, this an an amazing time to be into computing.
and what is its purpose?
Like will it run Fortran?
@@KameraShy You can laugh, but I was involved, this century, in the implementation of a great big new records system; as a user, I kept on asking about how it could be customised for our needs. Eventually one of the poor sods who had to interface between vaporware and the user base said "You can change anything as long as it doesn't touch the Cobol."
What is its intended use then? 😅🎉
I love it when you are so genuinely excited about new developments Chris, it's positively contagious. Thank you. 👍
Just received my two Mangoes. The RISC-V and ARM versions. Cannot wait to tinker with them and see what they can do. My strange brain noticed that the RPI Zero finished the GIMP test in Pi time 3:14. 😜 Be well my friend! Until next Sunday.... Cheers!
I missed the 3.14 significance . . . spooky! :)
Thanks!
Thanks for your support. :)
RISC-V on the road to success !
RISC-V en route pour le succès !
Hello Mr. Barnatt. Every Sunday when I'm sweeping and tidying up my house, upon hearing the music from the Explained Computers channel jingle, my daughter and I start dancing....
All the best to you!
Great to hear that you dance! :)
yay a video from Chris!
Every Sunday! :)
Whenever I come across your videos, it's always a joy to watch. Thank you! I also love your enthusiasm.
I love your work, Chris. You have the right attitude, foresight, perspective and knowledge to make these videos a cut above the rest. I will see you again.. verrry soon.
:)
Great video Chris, hop[e your keeping safe and well. Thanks for sharing.
Greetings Brian. :)
I cannot wait for you to get to 1m subs! Great job and keep up the good work!
Thanks. :)
I used to store my homework on cassette audio tapes- to me, that seems like not long ago. Now for not much more than the price of a pack of tapes is the entire computer with immensely more capability, in a package smaller than half an audio cassette. Amazing to me.
Very impressive! I'm still trying to wrap my head around RISC-V in its entirety, but I finally "pulled the trigger" and made a purchase for this exact board a couple of days ago.
Hopefully, I can get in and figure it out better as I'd really like to contribute to the overall development due to its free and open nature.
Welcome to the RISC-V party!
My first computer was the utterly magnificent (in it's day) Dragon 32. Seeing such tiny little devices with almost infinitely better capabilities never fails to amaze me.
My mate had a Dragon 32. It was very... green.
Dragon 32 was my second computer after the Vic-20. I think this was in 1983. I still own it to this day and it still works and I can play Chuckie Egg on it, among other games!!
Interesting little RISC-V single board computer. I found the comparison with the Raspberry Pi Zero W fun. Looking forward to your next video on this little board!
Greetings Perry.
@@ExplainingComputers It is always wonderful to be greeted by you!
Timely! My 3 mango pis just showed up in the mail yesterday.
Another great new sbc Peter great job in this new Mango Pi nice to see new things and great to watch your channel weekly to see new and great exciting videos many thanks again
Another excellent RISC-V video! Thanks for covering this!
They missed an opportunity for a mango color solder mask! The pink is certainly distinctive, though. And the speed isn't terrible.
Just wish they were sold at some other reseller.
Greetings Jeff. :)
I thought exactly that; never seen a pink Mango!
Ameridroid sells them
I love Sunday morning conversations with my two favorite reviewers.
Waking up to a new Explaining Computers episode every Sunday is always a wonderful occasion.
Thanks for another comprehensive review Chris, showing that risc5 evolution is speeding up. This can only be positive as the development community seem to be fully behind it.
It is really impressive especially for the GIMP filtering test. RISC-V really a goods design for Low-Power and Cost Effective solution for the IC vendor.
Add to CART NOW!!! You are the best my friend.
I really appreciate your videos. This channel is one of the main ways I find out about this kind of stuff and I learn a lot. Keep it up!
Nice tiny device. I hope the royalty-free open-source license of RISC-V will inspire manufacturers furthermore.
11:00 “Inspect every frame”; I love that British humour.
Risc ........... this brings me back to the AMIGA TRANSPUTER PROJECT how glorious it was in its days. Who doesn't remember the T800!?!?!
RISC-V is really coming along nicely!
Greetings Chris. :)
Nice video as always, I appreciate keeping consistent with general tests of GUI applications, websites and video playback. But I'd be interested in seeing other things too.
"Your tiny tiny tiny computer"
Love it. BTW, the pink stuff is solder mask. I've never seen pink either - blue, black, green... sure! But PINK!?!
yes, as my memory is correct, mangopi is the only sbc manufacturer that use pink mask😂
@@stephensu4371 Digilent PYNQ board - with a combined SoC and FPGA chip has been around for a few years and looks fairly pink in the photos 😉 PYNQ by name and Pink by nature, I guess 😊
It’s a great day when he uploads
Thanks Chris for yet another very informative video. I will dare to predict that by 2025, RISC SOCs will be at the same level of ARM if more companies jump into it... I'd suggest all IT enthusiasts, to buy at least one of the new RISCs boards, to show support to this important technical development. For each of us may be a little sacrifice, but for the developpers will mean difference between further developping the boards or going belly-up...
Geopolitics will give RISC-V a huge boost as some countries will want to their infrastructure free of systems controlled by the West. RISC-V and Linux, basically.
@@sylviam6535 Let's hope so...
Really good video, I'm happy to see the development of Risc V, I remember studying it on college years ago, I was fascinated to it. So its time to buy mango to try it. Thanks for the video.
Absolutely beautiful little machine ❤ always stunning to see what these little folks are capable of 💪🙏
That's quite impressive to see! I wonder how it would perform in running Klipper. Would be nice to have a tiny and cheap SBC to use for it again.
I will test that in a few weeks.
best channel on this hellsite.i love you.
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico. As always, thanks for the doing all the heavy lifting to bring your viewers such great videos and info. Great work!
Things that crossed my mind after watching the Mango video, i.e., just thinking out loud to myself here: 1) since Ubuntu has a multi-core RISC-V OS, do we have a multi-core "Lubuntu" RISC-V OS? I have not found anything definitive on the web during a brief search. If so, test Lubuntu on the Mango for possible performance improvements; 2) what are overclocking values, and what are the commands to do this?; 3) since multi-core RISC-V SoC's already exist, how long before these are implemented on the Mango? Shouldn't be too long, I would think.
Again, just thinking out loud here, rhetorically. :)
Thanks for your support, much appreciated. I've yet to come across Lubuntu for RISC-V, but it is clearly a future possibility.
About time they made a SBC in Big Clives colour. Nice to see a different colour for a change, even if it is pink.
Armbian has come a long way in the last year or two, it works really well on my Devterm A06 with XFCE desktop.
Were you able to use Bluetooth on the MQ-PRO?, i not 😞
It blew Zero out of the water on the filter test, which I recon would be more processor intensive than anything. This looks like the perfect tinkering machine for anyone who wants to experiment with a Risc-V processor. Great video!
Nice to see this. Finally a decent RPI competitor.
I ❤ when a new video drops from this channel. Such a good content creator! Love the stuff!!! More plzzzz
A perfect board for DIY projects that needs to run Full Linux instead of ESP8266/ESP32 with or without RTOS.
The price is pretty good, not price/performance but is a beginning.
Is nice to see a RISC-V in a RPI ZERO form factor 🥰
I was looking forward for a review of this SBC, thank you!
thanks for covering another RISC-V board, it's really cool to see the improvements both in hardware and software over the past few years and i hope we'll get a proper RISC-V based competitor to the raspberry pi. There are already a few attempts but none of them seemed to be quite there yet.
The SPI flash footprint on the underside of the board looks interesting. Also, the pad marked 'TVOUT' on the top could be fun - if it's composite out you could add an old-style RF modulator and have a retro style computer.
You are right -- I missed some tricks here. Adding SPI flash looks like a possibility, and we have composite video output pads as you say, as well as some audio output ones. A great board to tinker with!
I also see that.
Your enthusiasm at how it exceeds your expectations is infectious. Thank you for all your work, good sir.
I got interested in RISC-V since one of your first videos about it. I also have some projects that I wanted to run on a Raspberry Pi, but after watching this video, I went ahead and bought a mango pi from Aliexpress. I can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for inspiring my curiosity about RISC-V.
Chris, another great video. Your RISC'ed everything to show us this marvelous little SBC(actually just a few pounds!)
:)
It's taken 30 years (and some hair loss on Johnny) , but seems to have finally arrived th-cam.com/video/wPrUmViN_5c/w-d-xo.html
As more developers get involved, the optimisations for RISC-V and its associated graphics drivers will yield better results. I expect that future revisions of the hardware will also increase performance. These early RISC-V boards are important in starting the process whereby the platform improves over time.
What times we live in! Thanks fr the review Chris as always...
It never ceases to amaze me of the progress SBCs have achieved, first Arm and now it's onto Risc-V.... it may seem fanciful, but I wonder if there will be a time when we can have a Quantum Single Board Computer? Anyone for a Qubit PI?
You can do it now easily on your own. Just take a Raspi and put it in a box with "SBC inside can be taken away for free" written on it.
As long as you do not look, if someone already have taken it, you have a quantum Pi as it is in the box and not in the box at the same time. 🤯
More serious what should be the use case for a quantum SBC?
Awesome. Because I can install Armbian on the Mago Pi, I ordered one after seeing your review. I don't want to install an obscure OS from a vendor. I was just waiting for an affordable RISC-V SBC I could use with Armbian. Today is the day.
Great to hear! "An affordable RISC-V SBC to use with Armbian" is a great way to describe this board. Good luck with it.
Interesting as always, Thanks Chris.
Very interested in this. So glad this video showed up in my feed
I'm astonished at the variety of Pi flavours available now. Maybe you could do a summary video ranking your favourite Pi's.
I would like this too. Has he done a favorite SBC video? I guess that's sort of subjective.
Excellent review as always, much appreciated.
Seeing as this is _one_ core on an ISA that's barely old enough for middle school, this is really impressive.
Fantastic. I may have to check it out in a few weeks. Thank you for the video. Cheers!
Many thanks, Chris! Informative and entertaining as always. Looking forward to hearing what kind of project you have in mind for the Mango Pi.
I'm glad to see such a computer. A return to the roots of SBCs, where manufacturers are not trying to add a powerful chip, but simply make an inexpensive board for developing automation devices and all that. I just recently developed one such device. I had to use an SBC because I had to connect peripherals via USB. Otherwise, a simple microcontroller (arduino or simmilar) could be used.
//I know about USB host boards for arduino, but they didn't work for me - I do not have skills to implement the necessary protocols to communicate with my peripherals. Linux ons SBCs has built-in drivers that just work. This makes the task several orders of magnitude easier.
Definitelly a middle of the ground board is badly needed. One with wrapped up USB and other capabilities but fast start time.
There is no "return to any roots" here given that ARM SBCs are doing essentially the same thing as PCs did (and still do) by giving you "more bang for your buck" as silicon technology and manufacturing processes improve - the dollars that paid for, say, a Core 2 Duo CPU some 15 years ago will by you some multi-core Ryzen monstrosity today.
And I doubt any Pi 4 owner would welcome a "return" back to an original Pi 1, albeit there are still perfectly good things the Pi 1 can do.
This is a "new" platform based on RISC-V as a more open technology than ARM - it is still early days, it does not have the same level of software support as ARM boards do and, sure, it will advance in the same way that Intel and ARM chips have been doing.
But as of this moment in time, there is nothing you can do on a RISC-V board that you can't already do on an ARM board - the differences will no doubt emerge later on given that anyone can build any kind of RISC-V platform that they want to without any kind of licensing restrictions.
I therefore look forward to where RISC-V goes in the future.
Great video, as always. The Mango did very well, in my opinion.
It's been put to inappropriate use! As if you pulled multiple 4k streams in over each USB-C or ran SSD speed tests on them, it's really not provisioned.
Mehaps use AwesomeWM (awesome console?) and a console. If you try video use mpv. Don't bloody build kernels in 1 GB. Try to control an rc car to run a course, use speakers and mics to do noise control, or monitor photovoltaics (do inverters just do WiFi 6 as it is? No serial port tosh?) Hew a little. Bit. Towards nothing left to take away.
The rate of development is going to EXPLODE by orders of magnitude compared to x86 and ARM which are already mature... The cost, simplicity and open nature make RISC V a better future proof platform for the masses. I expect China will lead the way in development so expect trillions in investment as they are being forced to do so geopolitically.
Promising developments in the RISC-V field. I look forward to more of it.
Spellbindingly glorious 👍
Thank you.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
Very interesting! Thank you Chris!
That Lava test really shows me that if I intend to do a project with one of these boards, that I should choose carefully based on the application!
This is an excellent result.
I like this tipe of videos - SBC are great! Bih hello from Bosnia!!
Greetings from the UK! :)
I suspect that 64 bit vs 32 bit played a part in the filter test. Based on some looks at the number of instructions to do something I expect that fully optimized C on the RISK-V will be slightly slower than the ARM but not by a huge amount. ARM wins with having condition codes from math instruction to branch based on. RISC-V does have the ability to test registers and jump without needing to do an ALU operation to test.
Thank you for the video and for explaining the single board cpu
Very impressive performance comparison. Thank you!
Thanks for another entertaining and informative video! I may have to find that desktop background image and snag it for myself. It was beautiful!
The name is appetizing, and it looks nice! Perhaps I should invest in a mini PC or SBC one day, although these things are not quite for me, because I like PC's with upgradability, reparability, and processing power, and SBC's are nowhere near as powerful as a desktop, but they are inexpensive, so they look great for basic use case scenarios, and for people wanting cheap computers, that take up such little space on a desk. I do like these, they're just not practical for my needs.
I am shocked to see your desktop picture and recognize it. That's downtown Nashville! Thanks for another good video.
Ah, I wondered where it was. Looks cool.
It's pink, I'm sold.
Good show, Chris. That looks like a nice little board. Thank you again.
that barnet always gets me
Hello, fellow Christopher, back again....
😯 how beautiful...
Love these hardware reviews, thank you!
Excellent, detailed comparison. Thanks for another great video Chris.
Greetings Steve.
Ah just in time a new video about a board i find the color special lol have a nice week
Wow, very interesting to learn about more SBC's using RISC.. Thanks as always Mr. Barnatt!!!
Thank you Chris for another exciting video, looks like there is hope for RISC to catch up, but it will be a challenge. Until next time that's it and God bless.
Good to see a genuinely exciting board and at a good price.
The market has felt a bit stale the last couple of years.
Espectacular video! Un saludo desde Chile!
Always an amazing video ❤
I've been looking forward to you reviewing this one. I admit, the color was the thing that first attracted me, I'm that superficial. Interesting review, looking forward to more Pi Zero range RISC-V computers.
A most interesting board, and very welcome. I am particularly happy to see the use of USB-C connectors. It is a shame that this connector design took so long to be created. 😁
I gather that the header was a normal inclusion for this model - and that highlights a weakness in the approach of using two different stock items by Raspberry Pi.
Your testing highlights why I am disappointed with the small memory of the Raspberry Pi Zero and Zero 2 in particular. The Zero 2 has all the CPU power of the "full size" Raspberry Pi 3, but it is all too easy to have Linux need to use virtual memory when there is only 512MB.
Loved your enthusiasm in this video. I was geeking out right along side you! Cheers!
I like this vídeos about SCB, great vídeo 👍
Another good video Chris, and recently going over my inventory of SBC's from the last ten years since my retirement, and all the projects they were used for, my interest has somewhat cooled for the latest and the greatest in SBC's. The most utility from all of the purchases has been the LattePanda, which are now to expensive for my hobby.
I will talk about this very topic in a video two weeks from now.
As always, a useful and enjoyable video. These tiny computers are for Makers and electronic enthusiasts to develop IOT devices and to do Physical computing. It would be great if they are evaluated against their ability do such things. It is very hard to believe any one will use them for everyday computing or video.
Great review! I will no wonder if we see LemonPi or even GarlicPi in the near future) Keep going on!
I'm glad they didn't call it the 'Custard pi' 😂
That name is mine! See the EC titles . . .
Yes, we know...
:)
Could've been "Cream Pi" 😂
@@pedroemn NO
Great video! Did you notice in your tests whether this board has a low power or sleep mode? It would be useful to wake it up with a microcontroller without having to go through the complete boot process for certain things.
"Very stable indeed" *closes htop showing systemd has a failed process* Just giving you a jab, love the video, might replace my orangpi zero 2s with these for some small server tasks I have them doing.