Just so you know, the term "Gooning" already exists. It's when someone does a bunch of poppers and furiously master bates. So, when you said that, that's all I heard.
For the Mysterio fight I didn’t get to experience the infinite hallway, I exited then turned back like oh no did I leave something in there?!, and he was just like “ClEveR SpiDeR”
5:19- 7:17 This entire part of the video you didn’t even mention a single thing about the boss fight itself you just kept on complaining about the boss fights not having gimmicks. And I’m going say it your take is bullshit a boss fight doesn’t need to have a gimmick to be good there’s a reason so many consider deathstroke from the Arkham games to be the best in the series because it’s a hand to hand fight,no gimmicks just two people fighting. Also all their move sets are entirely unique so yes the fights are different despite having a similar feel.
I’m really torn on my fav boss tbh. My top three are the Kraven fights and sandman. It’s probably Kraven vs Venom, but I don’t know if it’s just me, but I found it to be much easier than most of the other bosses
The venom boss fight reminded me of the ratchet and clank boss fights insomniac used to do that I adored as a kid I loved that fight, especially pre-Emily may in the fight
@@Cytonox I definitely believe it’s worth it, r&c was my shit😭😭. Sunset overdrive has always looked awesome but as a PlayStation person I’ve never had the chance to play
I've honestly never played the Rachet and Clank games, either, but I did grow up with the original Spyro trilogy (which were Insomniac's first major claim to fame) and those games are still excellent 3D platformers.
Great video, Guys! I've never played any of these games, but it's nice to hear that Insomniac did a good job with it, even if some of the bosses were disappointing. I will say that boss phase evolution long predates the Souls games. It can be seen as far back as the '80s with some boss fights in the likes of the early Castlevania games (even the OG from 1986 had Dracula take on his demonic form in the second phase) and most especially JRPGs, but it became much more prevalent by the 90s. Gunstar Heroes even had a boss called Seven Force, which -- as the name suggests -- consisted of seven phases with distinct designs and movesets. It's still very impressive for a boss from 1993 and hinted at the types of bosses you'd see in Cuphead (which is largely inspired by Gunstar Heroes). Anyway, I'm enjoying your content as always and look forward to your future uploads!
I just finished this on ultimate difficulty via NG+ and I've gotta wonder if you'd re-rank the bosses for an ultimate difficulty rank or at least if you'd adjust them for ultimate difficulty.
Agreed with the video. While the spectacle was great, bosses just felt way too similar mechanics wise. Combat system in the game was amazing. Just wish it had the challenge to match its combat.
the bosses are way more engaging to me than the first game but they’re LONGG, they felt way shorter on my ultimate playthrough where i was basically max level early af
I loved this game, not quite GOTY but definitely in the top 5, maybe top 3. I actually completely agree with the list in this video, what I wanted to mention is how the parry made this game so much more fun to me (I love to parry in every game that has it) but the window to execute a parry on the hardest difficulty is pretty tight. Sure, I chose to play the game on the hardest difficulty, but there were times where I was fighting bosses where I swore that there were attacks that were impossible to react to. This is also not mentioning that there are attacks that you can ONLY dodge, and come out JUST AS FAST as the parry only attacks, AND THEY CAN BE MIXED UP IN COMBOS. Skill issue? Yeah most likely, but the balancing just felt off to me. The game wasn't being hard it was just being obnoxious. I'm sure this is a nonissue on normal difficulty. Side note, is this the format of videos going forward? No issues I was just curious why this wasn't the traditional 3 second still image in between entries
By the way, have you guys ever played any of the Ys games? I just beat Ys IX: Monstrum Nox today, and, having played nine entries in the series now, I can honestly say it's surpassed Final Fantasy to become my favorite JRPG franchise. Ys is one of the longest-running JRPG series (as it predates both Megami Tensei and Final Fantasy), and it was also one of the first Action RPG franchises. The original two games from the late 80s are highly innovative and influential but are definitely dated and harder to recommend to modern gamers. The Ys games released from the 2000s onward, however, still hold up very well. They don't tend to be as heavy on the story compared to other major JRPGs, but they make up for this with a stronger focus on dungeon design and gameplay. Some of these games also have very good boss rosters (not on the level of FromSoftware's titles but still better than most JRPGs), with The Oath in Felghana having my all-time favorite final boss. In some ways, these games are the closest JRPGs have come to The Legend of Zelda series, and this can be seen in the stronger focus placed on the dungeons and combat. If you're interested in trying out the series, my best recommendation would be to start with Ys Origin. It's a 2006 game that serves as a prequel to the entire series and has probably the best collection of dungeons, as well as a solid boss roster. The OST is also an absolute banger, which is sort of a given with this series. The game's available on Steam, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch, so there are multiple ways to play it. I know you guys have a lot of games in your backlog and all, but I just wanted to recommend this series since some of these games would be pretty well suited to boss rankings.
Venom: "WE. ARE. VENOM." Cytonox: *does the Bully Maguire Dance* Commemorative request: Yakuza / Like A Dragon Series (Like A Dragon Gaiden just came out).
Boss fights are hugely improved from the first game. Insomniac learned from their mistakes. They added depth to the boss fights by making them challenging. Here are my favorite bosses: 1) Symbiote Spider Man vs Kraven 2) Venom 3) Lizard 4) Peter vs Miles 5) Kraven vs Venom 6) Miles vs Mr Negative
@@Shahriyararin63 no they're not the entire game's "improvements" are artificial, webswinging looks better, combat looks better, the boos fights look better. When they're all the exact same fight with dodging, parrying, jumping and spamming gadgets and punches in-between. That's every boss fight except sandman who's even worse!
@@cohenparsons947 but still the bosses are amazing. Sandman isn't bad boss battle. He was great and cinematic. He wasn't supposed to be like the others because he is a tutorial boss fight.
@@cohenparsons947 was every boss had a chase sequence like lizard boss ? was every boss encouraging you jump up or swing as much as mr negative boss ? did every boss force you to multitask like kraven boss ? was every boss took place in 3 arena that you have to be ready to change like first half of venom boss ? was every boss had an aerial combat like second half of venom boss ? but scratch that, even if they all would be same, that doesnt disprove anything about how much fun they are. the boss fights in this game was dynamic, challenging, and actually felt like there is an actual fight. which is more than we can say about arkham bosses. look at deathstroke : - his boss fight was one on one. no henchmen spam was needed - provided a gameplay that doesnt forced us to use same unchallenging gimmicks epeatitively like a crash bandicoot game - and it was an actual boss *fight* instead of being the worlds easiest and most boring stealth missions they made 4 game and only 1 boss fight actually free from all these issuses. which is fucking embarrasing on so many levels.
Just so you know, the term "Gooning" already exists. It's when someone does a bunch of poppers and furiously master bates. So, when you said that, that's all I heard.
One thing i can say about the bosses is that they're defiantly a step up from the previous games.
There's no variation
I love the venom section so much it felt like playing prototype which is one of my favourite games in terms of just the gameplay
For the Mysterio fight I didn’t get to experience the infinite hallway, I exited then turned back like oh no did I leave something in there?!, and he was just like “ClEveR SpiDeR”
5:19- 7:17
This entire part of the video you didn’t even mention a single thing about the boss fight itself you just kept on complaining about the boss fights not having gimmicks. And I’m going say it your take is bullshit a boss fight doesn’t need to have a gimmick to be good there’s a reason so many consider deathstroke from the Arkham games to be the best in the series because it’s a hand to hand fight,no gimmicks just two people fighting.
Also all their move sets are entirely unique so yes the fights are different despite having a similar feel.
I’m really torn on my fav boss tbh. My top three are the Kraven fights and sandman. It’s probably Kraven vs Venom, but I don’t know if it’s just me, but I found it to be much easier than most of the other bosses
li vs miles is like 5 at least its not just spam. he actually feels like a boss unlike lizard who just spams tail move and has 5000 hp
The venom boss fight reminded me of the ratchet and clank boss fights insomniac used to do that I adored as a kid I loved that fight, especially pre-Emily may in the fight
I’ve never played Rachet and Clank, probably should sometime. My friend just beat Sunset Overdrive (also by them) which looks pretty fun
@@Cytonox I definitely believe it’s worth it, r&c was my shit😭😭. Sunset overdrive has always looked awesome but as a PlayStation person I’ve never had the chance to play
I've honestly never played the Rachet and Clank games, either, but I did grow up with the original Spyro trilogy (which were Insomniac's first major claim to fame) and those games are still excellent 3D platformers.
Great video, Guys! I've never played any of these games, but it's nice to hear that Insomniac did a good job with it, even if some of the bosses were disappointing. I will say that boss phase evolution long predates the Souls games. It can be seen as far back as the '80s with some boss fights in the likes of the early Castlevania games (even the OG from 1986 had Dracula take on his demonic form in the second phase) and most especially JRPGs, but it became much more prevalent by the 90s. Gunstar Heroes even had a boss called Seven Force, which -- as the name suggests -- consisted of seven phases with distinct designs and movesets. It's still very impressive for a boss from 1993 and hinted at the types of bosses you'd see in Cuphead (which is largely inspired by Gunstar Heroes).
Anyway, I'm enjoying your content as always and look forward to your future uploads!
I mean most of the bosses are good at least. Some are disappointing
The Sandman boss had to have been influenced by the Cronos boss from God of War 3.
I just finished this on ultimate difficulty via NG+ and I've gotta wonder if you'd re-rank the bosses for an ultimate difficulty rank or at least if you'd adjust them for ultimate difficulty.
RIP Electro though. My boy didn’t even get a proper send off.😢⚡️
It’s because the Sandman fight is mostly fighting his goons versus doing damage to actual Marco
An issue I have with… most triple A Sony games actually. Is that bosses almost always have waaaaaaaaaay too much HP even on normal mode.
Would never be better than the Arkham games
Well, you earned my like! 😆
Agreed with the video. While the spectacle was great, bosses just felt way too similar mechanics wise. Combat system in the game was amazing. Just wish it had the challenge to match its combat.
the bosses are way more engaging to me than the first game but they’re LONGG, they felt way shorter on my ultimate playthrough where i was basically max level early af
also yeah mr negative DRAGS for no reason, i think kraven is like top bossfight because it’s paced perfectly and only has two phases
They're all the same
The boss fights in this game definitely surpass the other games
They really don't they're all the same
Criticizing a boss fight for being a fight is objectively dumb
@@TheAJ_Edits im sorry sir
@@Cytonox goated video btw
I loved this game, not quite GOTY but definitely in the top 5, maybe top 3. I actually completely agree with the list in this video, what I wanted to mention is how the parry made this game so much more fun to me (I love to parry in every game that has it) but the window to execute a parry on the hardest difficulty is pretty tight. Sure, I chose to play the game on the hardest difficulty, but there were times where I was fighting bosses where I swore that there were attacks that were impossible to react to. This is also not mentioning that there are attacks that you can ONLY dodge, and come out JUST AS FAST as the parry only attacks, AND THEY CAN BE MIXED UP IN COMBOS. Skill issue? Yeah most likely, but the balancing just felt off to me. The game wasn't being hard it was just being obnoxious. I'm sure this is a nonissue on normal difficulty.
Side note, is this the format of videos going forward? No issues I was just curious why this wasn't the traditional 3 second still image in between entries
It sucks
By the way, have you guys ever played any of the Ys games? I just beat Ys IX: Monstrum Nox today, and, having played nine entries in the series now, I can honestly say it's surpassed Final Fantasy to become my favorite JRPG franchise. Ys is one of the longest-running JRPG series (as it predates both Megami Tensei and Final Fantasy), and it was also one of the first Action RPG franchises. The original two games from the late 80s are highly innovative and influential but are definitely dated and harder to recommend to modern gamers. The Ys games released from the 2000s onward, however, still hold up very well.
They don't tend to be as heavy on the story compared to other major JRPGs, but they make up for this with a stronger focus on dungeon design and gameplay. Some of these games also have very good boss rosters (not on the level of FromSoftware's titles but still better than most JRPGs), with The Oath in Felghana having my all-time favorite final boss. In some ways, these games are the closest JRPGs have come to The Legend of Zelda series, and this can be seen in the stronger focus placed on the dungeons and combat.
If you're interested in trying out the series, my best recommendation would be to start with Ys Origin. It's a 2006 game that serves as a prequel to the entire series and has probably the best collection of dungeons, as well as a solid boss roster. The OST is also an absolute banger, which is sort of a given with this series. The game's available on Steam, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch, so there are multiple ways to play it. I know you guys have a lot of games in your backlog and all, but I just wanted to recommend this series since some of these games would be pretty well suited to boss rankings.
Venom: "WE. ARE. VENOM."
Cytonox: *does the Bully Maguire Dance*
Commemorative request: Yakuza / Like A Dragon Series (Like A Dragon Gaiden just came out).
Boss fights are hugely improved from the first game. Insomniac learned from their mistakes. They added depth to the boss fights by making them challenging. Here are my favorite bosses:
1) Symbiote Spider Man vs Kraven
2) Venom
3) Lizard
4) Peter vs Miles
5) Kraven vs Venom
6) Miles vs Mr Negative
There's no variation
@@cohenparsons947 still the bosses are amazing and better then the bosses from the first 2 games
@@Shahriyararin63 no they're not the entire game's "improvements" are artificial, webswinging looks better, combat looks better, the boos fights look better. When they're all the exact same fight with dodging, parrying, jumping and spamming gadgets and punches in-between. That's every boss fight except sandman who's even worse!
@@cohenparsons947 but still the bosses are amazing. Sandman isn't bad boss battle. He was great and cinematic. He wasn't supposed to be like the others because he is a tutorial boss fight.
@@Shahriyararin63 but all the other bosses are the exact same and nothing like him, he's some grand start that felt really hollow and fell flat to me.
0:35 This is actually one of this game's big flaws.
I’m sorry but spider-man bosses > Arkham bosses
In what world
I honestly agree in a fair amount of cases
@@cohenparsons947 i agree, in what world this guy should ever be sorry for stating this very reasonable take ?
@@barisbal7782 it's not a reasonable take every Spiderman 2 boss is the same fight, except sandman who was just mediocre
@@cohenparsons947
was every boss had a chase sequence like lizard boss ? was every boss encouraging you jump up or swing as much as mr negative boss ? did every boss force you to multitask like kraven boss ? was every boss took place in 3 arena that you have to be ready to change like first half of venom boss ? was every boss had an aerial combat like second half of venom boss ?
but scratch that, even if they all would be same, that doesnt disprove anything about how much fun they are. the boss fights in this game was dynamic, challenging, and actually felt like there is an actual fight.
which is more than we can say about arkham bosses. look at deathstroke :
- his boss fight was one on one. no henchmen spam was needed
- provided a gameplay that doesnt forced us to use same unchallenging gimmicks epeatitively like a crash bandicoot game
- and it was an actual boss *fight* instead of being the worlds easiest and most boring stealth missions
they made 4 game and only 1 boss fight actually free from all these issuses. which is fucking embarrasing on so many levels.
gooning
cant stop edging to cytonox
Theyre all the same