We have a little Ryobi chop saw that's been around for years. Even got left when other tools were stolen. Lighter to move around then the big miter saw. Only complaint is not the safest guard,cuts constant.
I’ve been woodworking for near 60 years (I’m 70). Most of my large tools were purchased used and some are older than I. Used Radial Arm Saws are inexpensive and when properly setup are extremely accurate and no more dangerous than most other power tools when used properly. The most used drill and impact driver are the M12 because they are light and compact.
I used a radial arm saw in my dad’s shop when I was a kid. Haven’t seen or used one since, but I do recall it was fairly safe and accurate. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I bought one used, then rebuilt an RAS, they are great and safe for certain applications. Newer negative 5 deg hooked tooth saw blades, help with the blade climb that can happen.
Yeah, When I first started I bought the biggest HD XR drill and 22oz. Vaughan hammer with axe handle. Now I go for lite and compact. With these new lithium batteries and brushless motors they pack the same punch.
The sawstop really is the best decision anyone can make especially if you’re getting into woodworking you likely have little experience on a table saw that combined with a cheap saw can be a recipe for disaster. Of course I know not everyone can spend 1,000-1,500 on a tool but in my opinion if you can save up the $ for a miter saw and entry level table saw drills/impacts etc you obviously have income and unless you need that saw right now to make $ and pay your bills just keep stuffing the piggy bank you’ll get there and be glad you did. Think about it if there was an accident do think any part of you would be thinking hmm yeah glad I didn’t wait a few more months and get a saw stop.
I plan on getting one sooner than later. Currently saving for mine. Corporate motives aside, I am following the same thought process…would I pay $1500 to have my finger back if I were to have an accident where I lost it? Yes, absolutely no question about it! But, I do totally understand the side of things about it being too expensive for many folks.
My local hardwood dealer is a local home center and although convenient is way more expensive than the big box stores 45 miles away. A sheet of 3/5” birch plywood is $40 more at the local place than at the big box stores. That is very significant.
That sucks! I know Birch right now is super expensive because of the stuff going on overseas. I wonder if you are able to find another type?!? I asked my local guy for some Baltic Birch for some cabinets I was making and he laughed at me and said they couldn’t get any right now. But, then showed me some other very similar options for less than half the price of BB. It’s worth a shot!
Those three picks would be mine as well. 👍 If using mostly sheet goods, a track saw might be good enough, a circular saw works, just with more dust. If doing rips and lots of narrow/short work, a table saw would be better in my opinion. A half decent table saw or a used one, is cheaper than a track saw and tracks. A drill is more versatile than an impact, if on a tight budget and miter saw is a must as well.
I bought my miter saw and drill first. I went a few years without a table saw. But having one certainly makes your jobs better! Thanks for the info. I appreciate the view as well.
@@TheDudeShop I had a table saw or access to one, decades before track saws were available. I guess I'm just old school. Got a miter saw later on, wouldn't want to be without either now.
Kick back is a real thing. No doubt about that. My hope though, would be that I don’t lose a finger in the process and the riving knife and anti-kick back claws at least mitigate some of the force thrown my way if it does end up happening. Having to recover from a wood block to the nut sack or losing a finger(s) is just not the same to me, personally.
Mñeh, I wouldn't buy saw stop in any point in my life since Iwithout looking into their prices I bet they won't be accessible at all and add that to the import taxes in Mexico you got yourself a very limited budget. Personally I approach myself to every tool with so much respect that I won't allow myself even doing things tired, hungover or distracted. Illmuch rather upgrade my very modest Stanley no side contractor table saw to a much bigger delta or something. On the festool side of things, I believe is the same thing as cars, bikes and other kind of stuff as well as tools: they reach to the point that it won't perform any better than their mid-tier counterparts, it is only for the looks and how does it feel... I believe those nice ass festool drill set that cost more than twice as opposed from a Makita/de walk/Milwaukee will perform twice as well, right? .... Right? Nice cars don't lead you to whatever place/task you want or need, reliable ones do , aspiring more than that it's just arrogance and vanity
They are pretty expensive which unfortunately makes it cost-prohibitive for many. Perhaps after the patents run out it’ll drive some more competition and reduce the price a bit.
festool over rated ive got a ryobi drill it has outlasted 3 drills from the medium grade you mention , and a dewalt saw that the bearing lasted about 3 weeks and then you couldnt cut a striaght line with the saw if life depended on it had to jump through hoops to get it warrantied so it sat in corner collecting dust . picked up an old radial arm saw in an estate sale and it has never given me a proplem so dewalt chop saw went in garage sale good riddance to rubbish.
Yes! That’s the kind of story I was looking for! What model was the Ryobi drill and what models and brand were the 3 that broke? That’s curious about the bearing going out and Dewalt not replacing it. I’ve fortunately not ever had to send anything back from them, but I’d assume their warranty process would be easier than what you mentioned. Thanks for sharing!
@@TheDudeShop had two dewalt fail miserably on motor and a makita the chuck messed up . i would have to dig the ryobi out of tool box for model but it is an 18v plus one. Was in need of a drill fast grabbed it at "home d" i did have a battery on it fail but that was my own fault because battery got left sitting on top of truck tool box and got rained on heavy to , water got inside and the battery got messed up. i do have on old drill that never ceases to amaze me and if quality is still there i had good luck with i still own a corded skill drill ( back when the cases were green ) bought this aprox late 70's early 80's time frame.
Sawstop was founded by lawyers and their plan was to get legislation passed that would make their tech mandatory and then license that patented tech to other manufacturers. They almost got away with it too. But for whatever reason they couldn't get the ball across the line. So when they ran out of plays they sold the company. Because they really had no interest in making tools. It was all a ploy to extort money from others. I get that table saws are dangerous. If you amputate a finger that is a life altering injury too. But if everyone had to buy a sawstop that would dramatically cut down on how many people could even start woodworking. Sawstop tech is not cheap. One of those cartridges costs more than my whole saw did. If there was no choice but to use one I wouldn't have a saw. So for that reason I'm not a fan. Just respect your tools and operate them safely. Use push sticks. I have a pile of homemade sticks and pads and this and that right next to my saw. I use it all too. When the blade is spinning do not come into contact with it. If you can manage to do that you should be OK. Simple stuff. Apparently that's asking too much of 40,000 people a year though. Don't be one of those people.
Oh man! I knew they had tried to license the technology, but I had no idea they were all lawyers trying to make a buck. I just assumed they cared about helping people. And I agree, they are NOT cheap! I told my wife last week how much they cost and you can imagine how that conversation went. 🤣 I look at it this way, for me personally, I can’t afford to lose a finger. It would literally end my career as a pilot. It’s just not worth it to me! I certainly can appreciate your perspective though, and do agree…people need to think more about safety and use a push stick. Even after 25 years of doing stuff in the shop, I had a close call a few months ago and the rip cut shot back at me at lightning speed. Turns out the board was warped I didn’t even have time to react. Fortunately I didn’t loose anything. But, it sure scared me!!! Thanks for the comment and thanks for being a loyal subscriber!
@@TheDudeShop who knows what their true motives were. Maybe they did have everyone's best interests at heart? At one point it seemed like they were willing to forego the licensing? I can't remember all of the details. It may be it seemed to be the case but actually wasn't. There's a lot of info on the net about it all. I've seen video of the hearings. The last I heard once there was no chance legislation would get passed the original founders sold the company. So they clearly weren't interested in making tools. It seemed like a grift to me. Sometimes there's tension in wood that gets sprung when the wood is cut. I've only really ever had it happen to me once that I can recall. But it only takes something happening once to pose a potential risk. I managed when it happened. But I can imagine situations where things do go wrong. I'm not sure if a Sawstop would be much help then. Table saws deserve healthy respect that's for sure. You can't be in a rush or distracted or tired. That's when accidents happen. Just a moment when you're not giving it your all. Because I've used table saws countless times without a scratch on me. So it's clearly doable. I just put on my game face and go. It's always what you don't expect that gets you. Although sometimes I do suppose you know it's coming. One of my rules in the shop is if I have doubts I don't do it. I figure out a safe way of doing something or it don't get done. Now I suppose I could be wrong sometimes. I can generally access the risks though.
Not all companies need to be jerks. Way back Volvo invented the one piece seat/shoulder belt that we have now and they decided to help reduce injuries from crashes they gave everyone free use of the patent. Sawstop wants to licence it to everyone for a fee.
@@1pcfred sawstop has a history of abusing the US patent system, such as artificially extending their patents to prolong their monopoly. I understand innovation should be awarded, but unfortunately the patent system is mostly being abused today to line the pockets of lawyers, and not to promote innovation. Just look the ridiculous patent that was awarded to Apple for "rounded corners". Sawstop has also sued Bosch for their Reaxx table stop which had a similar flesh sensing technology. Their true motif to lobby for legislation is to force cheaper table saws out of the market, since they can't compete on economy of scale against Dewalt, Bosch, and other major manufacturers. They definitely do not have everyone's best interest at heart, only their own pockets.
I believe that this is the first TH-cam channel that says that one of the tools that a beginner must have is a table saw. All the other channels that covers what power tools a beginner should avoid, the tablesaw was on every list being that it's one of most dangerous power tools for a beginner to use.
@TheDudeShop I know that the Saw Stop has the braking system that engages when it senses something like fingers, but does the braking mechanism also senses when the saw kickbacks the wood?, as I have seen a few videos where the wood flew back and caused injury and in other cases damage to the surrounding.
I'd put Skillsaw or "circular saw" before table saw. Just so you can rip down your material in the Homedepot parking lot to fit in your Prius. 😅😂 And don't be a dumbass like me and buy one with the blade on the right. (They make both)
I don’t disagree with you that a circular saw could absolutely be a replacement for a table saw. It is a bit more painful to use for accurate cuts (at least in my experience), but it certainly is a cheaper option. It’s just tough to cover ALL the possibilities and keep the video interesting. My wife says I over-explain everything…so I try to keep it short-er. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I worked at a construction supply store that did repairs for power tools and the brand that was brought in the most was DeWalt, but that was 20 years ago they might have gotten better since then.
Thanks for your comment. Do you think there is an even spread of brands out there? Or, perhaps DeWALT has a larger market share? Or you could be correct and they are the worst brand. Unfortunately, I think the tool quality isn’t getting better. I personally like Makita better, but I’m so invested into DeWALT batteries at this point I don’t want to go back! 🤣
Most likely it was because of their large market share. Tool quality across all brands has definitely improved. I run both milwaukee and dewalt and haven't had any issues with either.
Reading the headline, I knew this would be a comedy. When all the tools in the video are unused, it is always done by someone that thinks they have knowledge but really don't.. This was more embarrassing than I thought and makes no sense..
Wait, you can read?!? I’m sorry you weren’t able to comprehend the video. Next time I’ll talk slower, use smaller words, and maybe even use pop-up pictures so you understand it better. The drill and impact driver were a new buy of the exact version that I’ve had for 8 years (and use daily). I didn’t want to use a beat up looking set in the video, so I bought a new one, used it for the video, and then gave it away to someone that needed it.
Did you watch the full video? I cover features of all the tools so you could make an informed buying decision for what might work for you. I give my recommendations at the end.
My personal opinion... I don't think we need expensive tools to make good furniture.....some are overpriced. I can do better with affordable tools. In the market u won't know the tools used to make good furniture... hand made still sells better than computer/AI generated wood products. IMHO 🎉
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We have a little Ryobi chop saw that's been around for years. Even got left when other tools were stolen. Lighter to move around then the big miter saw. Only complaint is not the safest guard,cuts constant.
That’s good to know! I haven’t seen many Ryobi chop saws out there, but I’m glad it’s worked well for you! Thanks for watching 😊
I’ve been woodworking for near 60 years (I’m 70). Most of my large tools were purchased used and some are older than I.
Used Radial Arm Saws are inexpensive and when properly setup are extremely accurate and no more dangerous than most other power tools when used properly.
The most used drill and impact driver are the M12 because they are light and compact.
I used a radial arm saw in my dad’s shop when I was a kid. Haven’t seen or used one since, but I do recall it was fairly safe and accurate. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I bought one used, then rebuilt an RAS, they are great and safe for certain applications. Newer negative 5 deg hooked tooth saw blades, help with the blade climb that can happen.
Yeah, When I first started I bought the biggest HD XR drill and 22oz. Vaughan hammer with axe handle. Now I go for lite and compact. With these new lithium batteries and brushless motors they pack the same punch.
The sawstop really is the best decision anyone can make especially if you’re getting into woodworking you likely have little experience on a table saw that combined with a cheap saw can be a recipe for disaster. Of course I know not everyone can spend 1,000-1,500 on a tool but in my opinion if you can save up the $ for a miter saw and entry level table saw drills/impacts etc you obviously have income and unless you need that saw right now to make $ and pay your bills just keep stuffing the piggy bank you’ll get there and be glad you did. Think about it if there was an accident do think any part of you would be thinking hmm yeah glad I didn’t wait a few more months and get a saw stop.
I plan on getting one sooner than later. Currently saving for mine.
Corporate motives aside, I am following the same thought process…would I pay $1500 to have my finger back if I were to have an accident where I lost it? Yes, absolutely no question about it! But, I do totally understand the side of things about it being too expensive for many folks.
that is a really well put together thought. No 1 can argue against.
My local hardwood dealer is a local home center and although convenient is way more expensive than the big box stores 45 miles away. A sheet of 3/5” birch plywood is $40 more at the local place than at the big box stores. That is very significant.
That sucks! I know Birch right now is super expensive because of the stuff going on overseas. I wonder if you are able to find another type?!? I asked my local guy for some Baltic Birch for some cabinets I was making and he laughed at me and said they couldn’t get any right now. But, then showed me some other very similar options for less than half the price of BB. It’s worth a shot!
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Yup! I’ve bought maple and sanded plywood that’s similar. Less expensive but still not cheap. Lol.
Those three picks would be mine as well. 👍
If using mostly sheet goods, a track saw might be good enough, a circular saw works, just with more dust. If doing rips and lots of narrow/short work, a table saw would be better in my opinion. A half decent table saw or a used one, is cheaper than a track saw and tracks. A drill is more versatile than an impact, if on a tight budget and miter saw is a must as well.
I bought my miter saw and drill first. I went a few years without a table saw. But having one certainly makes your jobs better! Thanks for the info. I appreciate the view as well.
@@TheDudeShop I had a table saw or access to one, decades before track saws were available. I guess I'm just old school. Got a miter saw later on, wouldn't want to be without either now.
Thankd for sharing
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Drill vs driver! Thanks
You bet!
Awesome presantation🎉
Thanks, I appreciate that!
You can still get hurt with a Saw Stop. Can you say kick back?
Kick back is a real thing. No doubt about that. My hope though, would be that I don’t lose a finger in the process and the riving knife and anti-kick back claws at least mitigate some of the force thrown my way if it does end up happening. Having to recover from a wood block to the nut sack or losing a finger(s) is just not the same to me, personally.
Mñeh, I wouldn't buy saw stop in any point in my life since Iwithout looking into their prices I bet they won't be accessible at all and add that to the import taxes in Mexico you got yourself a very limited budget. Personally I approach myself to every tool with so much respect that I won't allow myself even doing things tired, hungover or distracted. Illmuch rather upgrade my very modest Stanley no side contractor table saw to a much bigger delta or something.
On the festool side of things, I believe is the same thing as cars, bikes and other kind of stuff as well as tools: they reach to the point that it won't perform any better than their mid-tier counterparts, it is only for the looks and how does it feel... I believe those nice ass festool drill set that cost more than twice as opposed from a Makita/de walk/Milwaukee will perform twice as well, right? .... Right?
Nice cars don't lead you to whatever place/task you want or need, reliable ones do , aspiring more than that it's just arrogance and vanity
They are pretty expensive which unfortunately makes it cost-prohibitive for many. Perhaps after the patents run out it’ll drive some more competition and reduce the price a bit.
Don't forget the festool exoskeleton
😳 I didn’t even realize that was a thing! Thanks for the enlightenment. That thing looks interesting! 🤣
I fell in love with your voice 😂
At least I’ve got that going for me! I’ve been told I have a face for radio.
Lol a chuck Norris joke! 😂
That round-house kick is for real though!
festool over rated ive got a ryobi drill it has outlasted 3 drills from the medium grade you mention , and a dewalt saw that the bearing lasted about 3 weeks and then you couldnt cut a striaght line with the saw if life depended on it had to jump through hoops to get it warrantied so it sat in corner collecting dust . picked up an old radial arm saw in an estate sale and it has never given me a proplem so dewalt chop saw went in garage sale good riddance to rubbish.
Yes! That’s the kind of story I was looking for! What model was the Ryobi drill and what models and brand were the 3 that broke?
That’s curious about the bearing going out and Dewalt not replacing it. I’ve fortunately not ever had to send anything back from them, but I’d assume their warranty process would be easier than what you mentioned. Thanks for sharing!
@@TheDudeShop had two dewalt fail miserably on motor and a makita the chuck messed up . i would have to dig the ryobi out of tool box for model but it is an 18v plus one. Was in need of a drill fast grabbed it at "home d" i did have a battery on it fail but that was my own fault because battery got left sitting on top of truck tool box and got rained on heavy to , water got inside and the battery got messed up. i do have on old drill that never ceases to amaze me and if quality is still there i had good luck with i still own a corded skill drill ( back when the cases were green ) bought this aprox late 70's early 80's time frame.
@@DMPB-fi2ir That's pretty incredible! Thanks for the info!
Sawstop was founded by lawyers and their plan was to get legislation passed that would make their tech mandatory and then license that patented tech to other manufacturers. They almost got away with it too. But for whatever reason they couldn't get the ball across the line. So when they ran out of plays they sold the company. Because they really had no interest in making tools. It was all a ploy to extort money from others. I get that table saws are dangerous. If you amputate a finger that is a life altering injury too. But if everyone had to buy a sawstop that would dramatically cut down on how many people could even start woodworking. Sawstop tech is not cheap. One of those cartridges costs more than my whole saw did. If there was no choice but to use one I wouldn't have a saw. So for that reason I'm not a fan. Just respect your tools and operate them safely. Use push sticks. I have a pile of homemade sticks and pads and this and that right next to my saw. I use it all too. When the blade is spinning do not come into contact with it. If you can manage to do that you should be OK. Simple stuff. Apparently that's asking too much of 40,000 people a year though. Don't be one of those people.
Oh man! I knew they had tried to license the technology, but I had no idea they were all lawyers trying to make a buck. I just assumed they cared about helping people. And I agree, they are NOT cheap! I told my wife last week how much they cost and you can imagine how that conversation went. 🤣 I look at it this way, for me personally, I can’t afford to lose a finger. It would literally end my career as a pilot. It’s just not worth it to me! I certainly can appreciate your perspective though, and do agree…people need to think more about safety and use a push stick.
Even after 25 years of doing stuff in the shop, I had a close call a few months ago and the rip cut shot back at me at lightning speed. Turns out the board was warped I didn’t even have time to react. Fortunately I didn’t loose anything. But, it sure scared me!!! Thanks for the comment and thanks for being a loyal subscriber!
@@TheDudeShop who knows what their true motives were. Maybe they did have everyone's best interests at heart? At one point it seemed like they were willing to forego the licensing? I can't remember all of the details. It may be it seemed to be the case but actually wasn't. There's a lot of info on the net about it all. I've seen video of the hearings. The last I heard once there was no chance legislation would get passed the original founders sold the company. So they clearly weren't interested in making tools. It seemed like a grift to me.
Sometimes there's tension in wood that gets sprung when the wood is cut. I've only really ever had it happen to me once that I can recall. But it only takes something happening once to pose a potential risk. I managed when it happened. But I can imagine situations where things do go wrong. I'm not sure if a Sawstop would be much help then. Table saws deserve healthy respect that's for sure. You can't be in a rush or distracted or tired. That's when accidents happen. Just a moment when you're not giving it your all. Because I've used table saws countless times without a scratch on me. So it's clearly doable. I just put on my game face and go. It's always what you don't expect that gets you. Although sometimes I do suppose you know it's coming. One of my rules in the shop is if I have doubts I don't do it. I figure out a safe way of doing something or it don't get done. Now I suppose I could be wrong sometimes. I can generally access the risks though.
Not all companies need to be jerks. Way back Volvo invented the one piece seat/shoulder belt that we have now and they decided to help reduce injuries from crashes they gave everyone free use of the patent.
Sawstop wants to licence it to everyone for a fee.
@@1pcfred sawstop has a history of abusing the US patent system, such as artificially extending their patents to prolong their monopoly. I understand innovation should be awarded, but unfortunately the patent system is mostly being abused today to line the pockets of lawyers, and not to promote innovation. Just look the ridiculous patent that was awarded to Apple for "rounded corners".
Sawstop has also sued Bosch for their Reaxx table stop which had a similar flesh sensing technology. Their true motif to lobby for legislation is to force cheaper table saws out of the market, since they can't compete on economy of scale against Dewalt, Bosch, and other major manufacturers.
They definitely do not have everyone's best interest at heart, only their own pockets.
Volvo did a really cool thing for sure!
I believe that this is the first TH-cam channel that says that one of the tools that a beginner must have is a table saw. All the other channels that covers what power tools a beginner should avoid, the tablesaw was on every list being that it's one of most dangerous power tools for a beginner to use.
I also suggested buying a SawStop, for that very reason. 😉
@TheDudeShop I know that the Saw Stop has the braking system that engages when it senses something like fingers, but does the braking mechanism also senses when the saw kickbacks the wood?, as I have seen a few videos where the wood flew back and caused injury and in other cases damage to the surrounding.
Valid point! Perhaps I should do a video on table saw safety
While he does say "beginner must haves" the video is more about what context each tool is suited for.
But… I don’t need them.
Hey, everyone’s needs are different! What tools do you have currently?
I'd put Skillsaw or "circular saw" before table saw. Just so you can rip down your material in the Homedepot parking lot to fit in your Prius. 😅😂
And don't be a dumbass like me and buy one with the blade on the right. (They make both)
I don’t disagree with you that a circular saw could absolutely be a replacement for a table saw. It is a bit more painful to use for accurate cuts (at least in my experience), but it certainly is a cheaper option. It’s just tough to cover ALL the possibilities and keep the video interesting. My wife says I over-explain everything…so I try to keep it short-er. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@TheDudeShop For a beginner the order of usefulness. A skill saw first but for square straight cuts they would need a table saw for sure.
Eventually they would need both I've never used a track saw but I could see how it can be used to bridge that gap.
I worked at a construction supply store that did repairs for power tools and the brand that was brought in the most was DeWalt, but that was 20 years ago they might have gotten better since then.
Thanks for your comment. Do you think there is an even spread of brands out there? Or, perhaps DeWALT has a larger market share? Or you could be correct and they are the worst brand. Unfortunately, I think the tool quality isn’t getting better. I personally like Makita better, but I’m so invested into DeWALT batteries at this point I don’t want to go back! 🤣
Most likely it was because of their large market share. Tool quality across all brands has definitely improved. I run both milwaukee and dewalt and haven't had any issues with either.
That’s good to know!
Reading the headline, I knew this would be a comedy. When all the tools in the video are unused, it is always done by someone that thinks they have knowledge but really don't.. This was more embarrassing than I thought and makes no sense..
Wait, you can read?!? I’m sorry you weren’t able to comprehend the video. Next time I’ll talk slower, use smaller words, and maybe even use pop-up pictures so you understand it better.
The drill and impact driver were a new buy of the exact version that I’ve had for 8 years (and use daily). I didn’t want to use a beat up looking set in the video, so I bought a new one, used it for the video, and then gave it away to someone that needed it.
@TheDudeShop Wow. You shouldn't have responded. The internet isn't for you if you fall for the trap. Don't get baited by trolls.
But it helps my algorithm!! 🤣 I’m trying to provoke another comment!
I thought this was supposed to be a, buy this , don't buy that kind of a video? Not a tutorial on a hand drill?
Did you watch the full video? I cover features of all the tools so you could make an informed buying decision for what might work for you. I give my recommendations at the end.
My personal opinion... I don't think we need expensive tools to make good furniture.....some are overpriced. I can do better with affordable tools. In the market u won't know the tools used to make good furniture... hand made still sells better than computer/AI generated wood products. IMHO 🎉
What kind of furniture do you make? Professionally or just for fun?