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Major!! Aren´t there loyalist World Eaters? Think they got betrayed by Lotara Sarrin, the most bad ass B*tch in the universe^^ maybe next vid about her and her fate
🎉🎉🎉 Since you made Seth‘s video about warp entities that aren’t aligned with chaos. I’d like to propose a video idea of my own. About what remains of and references to ‘our’ era and earlier things from earth in the time of 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time. PS: Majorkill please tell me if you see this comment. So I know the idea is in your head.
In the Lord of the Red Sands its said that the last of the loyalists from the World Eaters charged their primarch. It was also the only time Angron felt any respect for his sons. So, Angron went down to finish them off himself, and the loyalists charged their own primarch and traitor brethren. Because they're World Eaters, that's what they do.
Didn't one of the books state that Angron didn't want to act like the Emperor by hiding up on some ship and letting his sons die on the planet like Emps did with Angron's slave rebellion on his home planet, Angron wanted them to die fighting like he wanted to
@@trentlewis9923 Skraal is still my favourite character from horus heresy. That guy said like five sentences in the whole book and still was fully described as a awesome character.
All but one, Shabran Darr. Shabran Darr was a loyal World Eater Captain who showed the galaxy just how terrifying intelligent World Eaters can be. He and about twenty or so World Eaters slipped away from Erlhen's last stand and waged a guerilla war until the end of the Atrocity. His highlights was finding a weakspot in Saul Tarvitz's defenses and leading traitors to attack it before he and his men turned on them. He was more Night Lord than World Eater...and one of the reasons I believe the Carcharodons Astra are World Eater Loyalists.
Its also heavily implied that the loyalist Iron Warriors who went to Ultramar are the origins of the Silver Skulls chapter. So their successors are still around and loyal to the imperium.
@Agrax "Iron Warriors? What are you talking about, these are clearly Ultramarine successors. Their icon is a silver skull, totally different from the gray colored skull Iron Warriors have. Same with the armor, silver is nothing like the gray those Iron Warriors wore" - Guilliman, probably
I just LOVE the idea of loyalist Iron Warriors. Never lauded in the crusade, abused by their father in the pursuit of his ideals, even overlooked by The Emperor in favor of the fists, all of this willingly suffered in silence because they are LOYAL. Iron within, Iron without indeed
It must be said that many of the loyalist weren’t classified as loyal because they served the emperor, many of them had fallen to chaos and just refused to follow their primarch.
Papa Smurf kind of collected them and in old lore, the 2nd Founding disguised a lot of loyalist from traitor legionnaires as 'Ultramarine' successor chapter. For example, Minotars were suggested as World Eater Blackshieds being gathered together as an whole chapter under the control of the High Lords. It's a nice rabbit hole to go down and made me collect old space marine codexes to find possible loyalists. Scythes of the Emperor, Iron Skulls, Death Eagles come to mind. I believe Red Scorpions were also hinted.
Minotaurs are Iron Warrios succesors. They are good at siege and they are kinda greek just like Olympia, the IW home world. Red Scorpions are believed to be Emperor's children succersors since they focua a lot in the purity and stuff
I really do wish there were more loyalist Night Lords. I feel like it could be really interesting to see stories about loyalist Night Lords putting the absolute fear of God into their fallen brothers.
I have an idea for a Terran born Night Lord warband that was betrayed by their Nostraman comrades during the crusade and mislead in the warp. Later emerging as followers of Malice in current scene.
Small correction: Lorgar converted to Chaos about 50 years before the Horus Heresy, which was plenty of time to purge the loyalists in his Legion. And he did., According to a few separate Word Bearers, Lorgar lead a very quiet, stealth purge of his loyalist sons that lasted decades. By the time of the Heresy, there were basically none left outside that one guy who ended up on Macragge.
Dantioch was such a beast, he made best friends with an Imperial Fist. Saved Several Legions from the ruin storm by understanding ancient necron tech. He even dropped a fortress on a Imperator Titan, while butchering an entire Iron Warriors Company He has had a MASSIVE impact on the setting. Not to mention every second of his life was pain... as he was aged to over 3000 years by xenos and could barely walk
@@brandonhughes4571 AND he took down that Company and an Imperator Titan... with a Dozen Astartes. To add to that. Guilliman and the Lion are only alive because of Dantioch, he personally saved both of them from Conrad Curze
@@adrienwatson2179 why tf did this guy die?, man deserved a rematch against perty during the siege of terra as only a primarch had a chance to stop those gigachad balls of steel.
He was also enough of a legend for Guilliman to personally order a Tetrach of Ultramar to go and being Dantioch to Mcragge (A Tetrach is one of the 3 Lords of Ultramar, who answer to ONLY Guilliman and the Emperor) But Dantioch wanted to fight a Grand Company with only a dozen Astartes (A Grand Company is 1000 Astartes) Dantioch won
@@brandonhughes4571 Even better. He died to save Ultramar fr the Night Lords He managed to take the current Captain of the entire Night lords Legion and his Terminator 1st company with him. He also saved the greatest Military Genius of his time Alexis Pollux (Who was his best friend... and had managed to BEAT Perterabo in a void war... while Pollux was outnumbered) While preventing The Night lords from capturing Ancient Necrom teleportation and warp tech.
09:10 I really need to read how he convinced the Ultramarines that he surrendered to not to kill him on spot. That was AFTER Calth. That's some 100 level charisma moment
Happened during Calth too. A WB surrendered, the Ultras didn't kill him out of honor. But in the end he antagonised someone using the supposed death of g man as an insult. He was *killed* but instead of dying transformed into a demon…Samus.
I like that Majorkill put Argel Tal (the only good Word Bearer) in the thumb nail even though he was super traitor but not a fan of the chaos gods. Dantioch was awesome but he is the reason that we have a Tyranid problem.
Wait wait its all Malcodors fault. He wasnt supposed to wake up the daot weapon. He implanted those false memories of living many lifetimes and the perpetuals being a part of his life. He set Emps on the path of reunification.
@@licensed_beheader Except he DID regret having to kill them. Aquillon, at least. It's specifically called out at the end of The First Heretic. But, in the end, he also hated them for killing Cyrene, the only person he fully trusted and possibly(?) loved. He also acknowledges that they're the bad guys, but further recognises that the are no good guys. "We're definitely on the wrong side, Khârn." - Argel Tal "What makes you say that?" - Khârn "Because both sides are wrong." - Argel Tal He also hated Chaos just as much as he served it. "I never asked for this to be the Truth, nor to be the one to have to carry it back into the galaxy." He did evil, he served evil, but he also HATED it. It's made very clear that all of it threw him into depression and his recourse was to throw himself into the cause not of what was RIGHT (because both sides were wrong) but at least what was TRUE.
I'm certain that Alpharius was the loyal brother. The the Alpharius novel, he describes changing places and armor with Omegon so he could hide in the shadows. I'm certain Omegon is the one who died fighting Dorn
There was a night lord that joined up with Corvus Corax when Corvus went after traitor supply lines. He was apart of Corvus “inner circle” and stayed with him for a while.
i always enjoed the stories about the loyalist from triator legions the most. it is more than just "these bad guys are the baddies and all of them are bad, and these good guys are gooddies and all of them are good"
Agreed Some of the best material comes from Loyalists from Traitor legions Garviel Lokan Nathaniel Garro Saul Tarvitz Ancient Rylanor War Smith Dantioch All amazong characters
Poor Mhotep... dude stayed loyal and died defending the imperium and the group trying to reach Macragge even tho every single person he was allied with on that journey hated him and suspected him of witch craft and heresy. His space wolf counterpart on that escapade treated him like absolute dog shit and they even had mhotep locked up like a prisoner. Dude Def deserves some major credit for the saving of macragge. I think he is kind of the example of what would have happened with the thousand sons had Prospero not burned and if they had not seen all they saw when that happened. Mhotep was presented with opportunities to flip sides to the word bearers and he stayed loyal. I think all of them would have were it not for the extreme drama leading up to the burning of Prospero and magnus losing his marbles
The Loyalist thousand sons had a rough go. I cant remember his name But there was a Thousand Sons Sargent that LITERALLY saved the entire White Scars legion, but burnt his mind out guiding a whole Leguon fleet through the warp
@@adrienwatson2179 yes they did. That trip through the warp was absolute hell for mhotep, like literally and figuratively. Even the ultramarine keeping the space wolf from tearing his throat out didn't like him and was kind of leary of him being a psyker. They don't achieve anything without him either and no one other than the reader ever even knows how much he did. Kind of the same for that world eater. Dude survived on a massive word bearer ship that was already under chaos completely. Was a rough time for loyalists from traitor legions. I wonder a lot how much easier the heresy would have been for the imperium had they been able to keep magnus and the thousand sons. Even without using magnus for the golden throne and allowing the emporer to fight, their knowledge and ability could have potentially made them the most useful Legion out there. But instead we have the ultramarines nonmagically able to do anything
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 Honestly Leman Russ did more for the Heresy individually... than any Traitor He wiped out a loyal Thousand sons, while losing his own legion (2 legions eliminated, 1 day) Even with what he had left... if he had stayed on Terra, Guilliman would have made it on time to save the Emperor and Sanguinius. He killed almoat 1/4 of the loyaliat Legions... solo
i would love to see a Majorkill video going over some of the wars or battles between the xeno races of 40k. necrons, orks and tyranids each seem like an apocalyptic threat in their own right that have has the best chance to eventually coming out on top, but they all counter each other in some way, which makes for some great entertainment and theory crafting.
According to the novel The First Heretic, the genetic flaw that affected Lorgar and his Legion both was one of excessive loyalty in their respective sires, possibly through an over-activation of the process that causes an Astartes to innately be loyal to their primarch, and primarch to their emperor. This partially (but not even remotely entirely) accounts for not only the few loyalist Word Bearers, but indeed the entire Heresy itself, through Lorgar’s fanatical devotion to his fathers both adopted and otherwise. Truly the greatest treachery can be born from the greatest loyalty.
I actually didn't realize that the Grey Knights and the Echlesiarchy were practically made (or at least with the help) from a few members of various Traitor Legions. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if there are Loyalists from the Traitor Legions who also serve(d) in the Death Watch. I'm gonna have to do more digging and see what I can find.
Some second founding chapters are secretly descended from ‘loyalist traitor stock’ disguised (namely from Ultramarines) so there have probably been many who have taken up the black armor of the Deathwatch
@@henryredcoat3522 But aren't the Black Shields a different organization than the Death Watch? I didn't think the Black Shields served the Ordo Xenos of the Inquisition.
@@dannyavarice well yes black shields are a different organization But some members of their bands have been know to serve in the deathwatch Since they renounced ties with their legions, there is a high chance they are loyalists from the traitor legions
@@dannyavarice yes and know; the Death Watch has a..., tradition? Anywho, the Watch occasionally takes in Astartes who choose to renounce their legion or chapter of origin. They devote the rest of their years entirely to the Deathwatch, and are referred to as Black Shields in emulation and respect to the Heresy era Blackshields.
Majorkill saying a loyalist survivor of alpha legion* Me: what if they are alph- I mean disguised traitors. Now for my real comment: I like how those chaos like legions has liltle loyalist but for like more less chaotic legions they have a bit more and I find that detail a lil nice.
I love how during 3 there was that mechanicum fleet who absolutely gutted them because of how late they arrived and Horus was clueless about it, very based cogbois
Fun fact: logar actually had to purge some of his son who were already chaos followers during the battle of calth but he did so because those word beares were more obsessed whit getting there revenge on the ultramarines than working towards the golals of the chaos gods, so he basically send all those marines into a chapter called the severd hand to die in calth. PS BLACK LEGION VIDEO NEXT BRO
Well not all Thousand Sons were on Prospero. Magnus sent their entire fleet with thousands of them away. They joined him on the Planet of the Sorcerers later during the Heresy.
Also it took the machinations of Chaos, Custodes, Sisters of Silence, IG, and Magnus himself to kill the TS. They still put up a fight and bloodied the Wolves. Ahriman showing the hypocrisy and stompibg the space wolves pyskers errr "shaman" is one of my favorite moments.
Friendly reminder to listen to ‘Rylanor’s Last Stand’ by StringStorm and make your day better guys. It’s honestly one of the best Warhammer fan creations
There was one other loyalist thousand son in Ashes of Prospero. He was a librarian of the Raptorian(I believe) and had been trapped in some kind of warp maze when he was killed along with the lost space wolf 13th company that attacked prospero during the HH. His spirit however lived on and first chance it got, escaped the maze and got stuck inside Njal Stormcallers head. After a lot of stuff happening and arriving back on prospero the rest of the thousand sons attack and the loyalist sorcerer see’s what his legion, even his Primarch, had become in 10,000 years and actively helped the space wolves to secure a victory, even finding the lost 13th company of the heresy. (He and Njal also formed a sort of respect for each other along the way. I know surprising)
Very nice, thank you so much for all this information. I'm working on my own faction (just for fun) and I was hoping to use Loyalist Thousand Sons Space Marines. Now that I know there were several, it makes things a bit easier.
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I remember stumbling across some lore that most of the iron lords that would've been loyalists were killed when they refused to help purge Olympia. Same with the night lords at Nostramo
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Hey Majorkill. Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, The Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Thank you.
I love love LOVE hearing about loyalists from traitor legions! Though this does make me curious. Have any marines from loyalist legions decided that Chaos looked cooler than the Imperium? I remember hearing that the White Scars suffered this more than anybody, with the Khan needing to kill a good portion of his ship’s crew because they turned traitor.
Some of the Word Bearer chaplins spread to other legions were loyalists but they were largely exectued by the loyalists. In one of the Rvane Guard knowledge Corax does this when he gets back to Deliverance.
Can you talk about traitors from loyalist legions? I mean it's one thing to betray your dad but also the Emperor? That takes a lot of will to betray them both.
Another interesting thing about the Word Bearers: a chunk of the legion hated what they had become, but saw it as a necessity. They felt they had to serve a deity. If the Emp had handled Monarchia differently, maybe a more sizeable amount of the legion would have stayed loyal to Him, still believing he was an infallible god.
from what I recall from Prince of Crows almost half the Night Lords legion is still terran. Id imagine their attitude just changed over time from being with Curze and the nostramins
Here is a video-idea: All different human variations or psykic variations (if you havent already made that video) like normal human, psyker, blank, astropath, primaris psyker etc as well as xenos psykers
as I understand it a lot of traitor legion loyalists also quietly dissapeared into various chapters during the second founding, everyones favourite bloody magpies are basically confirmed as descended from thousand sons loyalists.
Let’s be honest. It quite likely that at this point around 99% of the Alpha Legion has no idea who’s side they’re on. And the 1% that actually do have a clue about what’s going on aren’t gonna tell them shit.
This video brings about a good idea. What would the imperium do if they discovered a small band of loyalist from a traitor legion still kicking ass in the emperor's name?
🎉🎉🎉 Since you made Seth‘s video about warp entities that aren’t aligned with chaos. I’d like to propose a video idea of my own. About what remains of and references to ‘our’ era and earlier things from earth in the time of 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time. PS: Majorkill please tell me if you see this comment. So I know the idea is in your head.
Could Arhiman be considered more rogue than Chaos since he really only wants to save the Rubric Marines? I'm not TS expert by any means so I might be wrong.
However...Grey Knights are given new gene seed, and none of the knight errant even became grey knights. They lacked the whole "being a psyker" requirement...;)
As far as I knew, the non-traitor members of the Traitor Legions all became Black Shields. I guess there are still freelancers running around the setting.
Majorkill since we all love our Golden banana boys. Which custodes are better? The generation with Constantin Valdor or the current 41st millennium custodes?
I don't believe the Word Bearers venerated Lorgar. I remember a line from one of the Heresy books saying something close to: "The bearers of the word bear Lorgar"
Basically their legions put men who they considered the most loyal in the worst and hardest battles across the galaxy to whittle them down until they were eventually dead or too weak to defend themselves against the rest of their legion
That Word Bearer known as the Anchorite, the one who willingly surrendered to the Ultramarines and submitted to longterm imprisonment, including fighting off his traitor Legion members when they came to break him out millenia later, is an example of loyalty and devotion above and beyond. It's a shame that someone so dedicated is so self hating. His Primarch and his Legion may have sold their lives and souls to the Ruinous Powers. But that doesn't mean that he's a traitor. Nor a lost cause. And while the Emperor is VERY against the idea of being a god, and religion in general, this Word Bearer deserves a better existence. If the Eclessiarchy weren't so batsh¡t crazy in their blanket hatred for ALL members of the traitor Legions, the Anchorite would be PERFECT for their ranks. Both for his faith, and for his example of how even the most lost and damned Chaos forces had members who stayed loyal to the Emperor, the Imperium, and humanity.
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Major!! Aren´t there loyalist World Eaters? Think they got betrayed by Lotara Sarrin, the most bad ass B*tch in the universe^^ maybe next vid about her and her fate
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Cadian video, when?
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Since you made Seth‘s video about warp entities that aren’t aligned with chaos. I’d like to propose a video idea of my own. About what remains of and references to ‘our’ era and earlier things from earth in the time of 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time.
PS: Majorkill please tell me if you see this comment. So I know the idea is in your head.
In the Lord of the Red Sands its said that the last of the loyalists from the World Eaters charged their primarch. It was also the only time Angron felt any respect for his sons. So, Angron went down to finish them off himself, and the loyalists charged their own primarch and traitor brethren.
Because they're World Eaters, that's what they do.
respect
Didn't one of the books state that Angron didn't want to act like the Emperor by hiding up on some ship and letting his sons die on the planet like Emps did with Angron's slave rebellion on his home planet, Angron wanted them to die fighting like he wanted to
World eaters got the best loyalist from the traitor legions
imo. Skraal, Ehrlen, and Macer Varen are certified chads.
@@trentlewis9923 Skraal is still my favourite character from horus heresy. That guy said like five sentences in the whole book and still was fully described as a awesome character.
All but one, Shabran Darr.
Shabran Darr was a loyal World Eater Captain who showed the galaxy just how terrifying intelligent World Eaters can be. He and about twenty or so World Eaters slipped away from Erlhen's last stand and waged a guerilla war until the end of the Atrocity.
His highlights was finding a weakspot in Saul Tarvitz's defenses and leading traitors to attack it before he and his men turned on them.
He was more Night Lord than World Eater...and one of the reasons I believe the Carcharodons Astra are World Eater Loyalists.
Its also heavily implied that the loyalist Iron Warriors who went to Ultramar are the origins of the Silver Skulls chapter. So their successors are still around and loyal to the imperium.
Sounds badass and i hope it's true.
Dantioch will always be the GOAT
Yeah they just kept their armor colors and sigil and called it a day
@Agrax "Iron Warriors? What are you talking about, these are clearly Ultramarine successors. Their icon is a silver skull, totally different from the gray colored skull Iron Warriors have. Same with the armor, silver is nothing like the gray those Iron Warriors wore" - Guilliman, probably
@@thewerdna Man, Guilliman loves stealing other legions Astartes and taking credit for their awesomeness.
I just LOVE the idea of loyalist Iron Warriors. Never lauded in the crusade, abused by their father in the pursuit of his ideals, even overlooked by The Emperor in favor of the fists, all of this willingly suffered in silence because they are LOYAL. Iron within, Iron without indeed
These cool gigachads truly were symbols of loyalty and honor that we as fans should see as examples of cool bros.
It must be said that many of the loyalist weren’t classified as loyal because they served the emperor, many of them had fallen to chaos and just refused to follow their primarch.
If you're a loyalist lapdog....
Papa Smurf kind of collected them and in old lore, the 2nd Founding disguised a lot of loyalist from traitor legionnaires as 'Ultramarine' successor chapter. For example, Minotars were suggested as World Eater Blackshieds being gathered together as an whole chapter under the control of the High Lords. It's a nice rabbit hole to go down and made me collect old space marine codexes to find possible loyalists. Scythes of the Emperor, Iron Skulls, Death Eagles come to mind. I believe Red Scorpions were also hinted.
I think that the minotaurs are now supposed to have a chimerich geneseed
Minotaurs are Iron Warrios succesors. They are good at siege and they are kinda greek just like Olympia, the IW home world.
Red Scorpions are believed to be Emperor's children succersors since they focua a lot in the purity and stuff
Black Templars, Word Bearer Successors. 😏
@@Saktoth Meh, i dont like that
@@Saktoth lmao
Majorkill is the kind of guy who will knock you out in a fight and tell you 40k lore until you regain consciousness
you mean he doesn't do that already?
I can imagine that
I volunteer
Wait, he doesn't?
I like how this is being presented as a semi common stereotype.
I really do wish there were more loyalist Night Lords. I feel like it could be really interesting to see stories about loyalist Night Lords putting the absolute fear of God into their fallen brothers.
Batmanning the Batman. Like a twisted game of manhunt and hide+seek with both sides on the hunt. Nice
It is hinted that Carcharadons are a hybrid Raven Guard/Night Lords chapter.
@@larsbackstrom6470 Yeah I really like them, but I was thinking of it from more of a Heresy-Era angle rather than modern 40k
I have an idea for a Terran born Night Lord warband that was betrayed by their Nostraman comrades during the crusade and mislead in the warp.
Later emerging as followers of Malice in current scene.
Malcador when recruiting Loyalist Space Marines from Traitor Legions: "I'm here to talk about the Knights Errant Initiative."
Barabus Dantioch, died as he lived.
With honor, unashamed, and beloved by all.
Don't to this to me, brother. There are only as much manly tears that one could shed.
Small correction: Lorgar converted to Chaos about 50 years before the Horus Heresy, which was plenty of time to purge the loyalists in his Legion. And he did., According to a few separate Word Bearers, Lorgar lead a very quiet, stealth purge of his loyalist sons that lasted decades. By the time of the Heresy, there were basically none left outside that one guy who ended up on Macragge.
And even the Anchorite was originally a traitor until the underground battles where he finally realized he was in the wrong.
Dantioch was such a beast, he made best friends with an Imperial Fist.
Saved Several Legions from the ruin storm by understanding ancient necron tech.
He even dropped a fortress on a Imperator Titan, while butchering an entire Iron Warriors Company
He has had a MASSIVE impact on the setting.
Not to mention every second of his life was pain... as he was aged to over 3000 years by xenos and could barely walk
In other words he was so based that his gigachad balls did a major amount of trolling upon the cringe traitors.
@@brandonhughes4571 AND he took down that Company and an Imperator Titan... with a Dozen Astartes.
To add to that.
Guilliman and the Lion are only alive because of Dantioch, he personally saved both of them from Conrad Curze
@@adrienwatson2179 why tf did this guy die?, man deserved a rematch against perty during the siege of terra as only a primarch had a chance to stop those gigachad balls of steel.
He was also enough of a legend for Guilliman to personally order a Tetrach of Ultramar to go and being Dantioch to Mcragge (A Tetrach is one of the 3 Lords of Ultramar, who answer to ONLY Guilliman and the Emperor)
But Dantioch wanted to fight a Grand Company with only a dozen Astartes (A Grand Company is 1000 Astartes)
Dantioch won
@@brandonhughes4571 Even better.
He died to save Ultramar fr the Night Lords
He managed to take the current Captain of the entire Night lords Legion and his Terminator 1st company with him.
He also saved the greatest Military Genius of his time
Alexis Pollux (Who was his best friend... and had managed to BEAT Perterabo in a void war... while Pollux was outnumbered)
While preventing The Night lords from capturing Ancient Necrom teleportation and warp tech.
09:10
I really need to read how he convinced the Ultramarines that he surrendered to not to kill him on spot. That was AFTER Calth. That's some 100 level charisma moment
Probably leaning very heavily on his pop’s charisma and conviction in the geneseed
"if you shoot me your primarchs a looser"
@@michelmanno8244 "Red striped helmets are ghey if you kill me"
Happened during Calth too.
A WB surrendered, the Ultras didn't kill him out of honor.
But in the end he antagonised someone using the supposed death of g man as an insult.
He was *killed* but instead of dying transformed into a demon…Samus.
I like that Majorkill put Argel Tal (the only good Word Bearer) in the thumb nail even though he was super traitor but not a fan of the chaos gods. Dantioch was awesome but he is the reason that we have a Tyranid problem.
Well, if not for Konrad, he would not blow up the Faros Device thus it's Konrad fault
Wait wait its all Malcodors fault. He wasnt supposed to wake up the daot weapon. He implanted those false memories of living many lifetimes and the perpetuals being a part of his life. He set Emps on the path of reunification.
Tal wasn't good . He just wasn't a dickk while evil. He too backstabbed the custodes who actually warmed up to him with no regrets.
@@licensed_beheader when I say good I mean he’s the only Word Bearer I like
@@licensed_beheader Except he DID regret having to kill them. Aquillon, at least.
It's specifically called out at the end of The First Heretic.
But, in the end, he also hated them for killing Cyrene, the only person he fully trusted and possibly(?) loved.
He also acknowledges that they're the bad guys, but further recognises that the are no good guys.
"We're definitely on the wrong side, Khârn." - Argel Tal
"What makes you say that?" - Khârn
"Because both sides are wrong." - Argel Tal
He also hated Chaos just as much as he served it. "I never asked for this to be the Truth, nor to be the one to have to carry it back into the galaxy."
He did evil, he served evil, but he also HATED it. It's made very clear that all of it threw him into depression and his recourse was to throw himself into the cause not of what was RIGHT (because both sides were wrong) but at least what was TRUE.
I'm certain that Alpharius was the loyal brother. The the Alpharius novel, he describes changing places and armor with Omegon so he could hide in the shadows. I'm certain Omegon is the one who died fighting Dorn
That would make a disguised Omegon crying “I am Alpharius” new meaning, especially if the sons knew which would add a new twist to the tagline
Dorn would have noticed. he was the only one, who recognized if he was talking to A or O.
There was a night lord that joined up with Corvus Corax when Corvus went after traitor supply lines. He was apart of Corvus “inner circle” and stayed with him for a while.
i always enjoed the stories about the loyalist from triator legions the most. it is more than just "these bad guys are the baddies and all of them are bad, and these good guys are gooddies and all of them are good"
Agreed
Some of the best material comes from Loyalists from Traitor legions
Garviel Lokan
Nathaniel Garro
Saul Tarvitz
Ancient Rylanor
War Smith Dantioch
All amazong characters
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There’s one story in the knights entrants collection of books that has it go both ways. Won’t say more than that so I fint spoil it
Poor Mhotep... dude stayed loyal and died defending the imperium and the group trying to reach Macragge even tho every single person he was allied with on that journey hated him and suspected him of witch craft and heresy. His space wolf counterpart on that escapade treated him like absolute dog shit and they even had mhotep locked up like a prisoner. Dude Def deserves some major credit for the saving of macragge.
I think he is kind of the example of what would have happened with the thousand sons had Prospero not burned and if they had not seen all they saw when that happened. Mhotep was presented with opportunities to flip sides to the word bearers and he stayed loyal. I think all of them would have were it not for the extreme drama leading up to the burning of Prospero and magnus losing his marbles
The Loyalist thousand sons had a rough go.
I cant remember his name
But there was a Thousand Sons Sargent that LITERALLY saved the entire White Scars legion, but burnt his mind out guiding a whole Leguon fleet through the warp
Sometimes loyalty is its own reward
@@gideonmele1556 Says the guy who broke the Edict of Nikea and had half of his legion turn traitor.
@@adrienwatson2179 yes they did. That trip through the warp was absolute hell for mhotep, like literally and figuratively. Even the ultramarine keeping the space wolf from tearing his throat out didn't like him and was kind of leary of him being a psyker. They don't achieve anything without him either and no one other than the reader ever even knows how much he did. Kind of the same for that world eater. Dude survived on a massive word bearer ship that was already under chaos completely. Was a rough time for loyalists from traitor legions.
I wonder a lot how much easier the heresy would have been for the imperium had they been able to keep magnus and the thousand sons. Even without using magnus for the golden throne and allowing the emporer to fight, their knowledge and ability could have potentially made them the most useful Legion out there. But instead we have the ultramarines nonmagically able to do anything
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 Honestly
Leman Russ did more for the Heresy individually... than any Traitor
He wiped out a loyal Thousand sons, while losing his own legion (2 legions eliminated, 1 day)
Even with what he had left... if he had stayed on Terra, Guilliman would have made it on time to save the Emperor and Sanguinius.
He killed almoat 1/4 of the loyaliat Legions... solo
I’ve watch 90% of your videos and watch them as soon as you’ve released them for 2 or 3 years now and idk how I missed this one
The fate of Barabas Dantioch was tragic, sacrificed himself so his best mate Alexis Polux could live on and his funeral was really sad.
i would love to see a Majorkill video going over some of the wars or battles between the xeno races of 40k. necrons, orks and tyranids each seem like an apocalyptic threat in their own right that have has the best chance to eventually coming out on top, but they all counter each other in some way, which makes for some great entertainment and theory crafting.
According to the novel The First Heretic, the genetic flaw that affected Lorgar and his Legion both was one of excessive loyalty in their respective sires, possibly through an over-activation of the process that causes an Astartes to innately be loyal to their primarch, and primarch to their emperor.
This partially (but not even remotely entirely) accounts for not only the few loyalist Word Bearers, but indeed the entire Heresy itself, through Lorgar’s fanatical devotion to his fathers both adopted and otherwise.
Truly the greatest treachery can be born from the greatest loyalty.
I actually didn't realize that the Grey Knights and the Echlesiarchy were practically made (or at least with the help) from a few members of various Traitor Legions. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if there are Loyalists from the Traitor Legions who also serve(d) in the Death Watch. I'm gonna have to do more digging and see what I can find.
Some second founding chapters are secretly descended from ‘loyalist traitor stock’ disguised (namely from Ultramarines) so there have probably been many who have taken up the black armor of the Deathwatch
Two words
Black shields
@@henryredcoat3522 But aren't the Black Shields a different organization than the Death Watch? I didn't think the Black Shields served the Ordo Xenos of the Inquisition.
@@dannyavarice well yes black shields are a different organization
But some members of their bands have been know to serve in the deathwatch
Since they renounced ties with their legions, there is a high chance they are loyalists from the traitor legions
@@dannyavarice yes and know; the Death Watch has a..., tradition? Anywho, the Watch occasionally takes in Astartes who choose to renounce their legion or chapter of origin. They devote the rest of their years entirely to the Deathwatch, and are referred to as Black Shields in emulation and respect to the Heresy era Blackshields.
Majorkill saying a loyalist survivor of alpha legion*
Me: what if they are alph- I mean disguised traitors.
Now for my real comment: I like how those chaos like legions has liltle loyalist but for like more less chaotic legions they have a bit more and I find that detail a lil nice.
I love how during 3 there was that mechanicum fleet who absolutely gutted them because of how late they arrived and Horus was clueless about it, very based cogbois
Fun fact: logar actually had to purge some of his son who were already chaos followers during the battle of calth but he did so because those word beares were more obsessed whit getting there revenge on the ultramarines than working towards the golals of the chaos gods, so he basically send all those marines into a chapter called the severd hand to die in calth.
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Well not all Thousand Sons were on Prospero. Magnus sent their entire fleet with thousands of them away. They joined him on the Planet of the Sorcerers later during the Heresy.
Also it took the machinations of Chaos, Custodes, Sisters of Silence, IG, and Magnus himself to kill the TS. They still put up a fight and bloodied the Wolves. Ahriman showing the hypocrisy and stompibg the space wolves pyskers errr "shaman" is one of my favorite moments.
Can you do a video on the imperial navy? Perhaps maybe all the attempts to revive the emperor?
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The Thousands Sons do have a loyalist legion, the Blood Ravens are all but confirmed Thousand Sons...
You should do an in depth explanation about the battle of Istvaan 3. Would be pretty dope.
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Istvaan III- Internal purging of loyalists elements within the traitor legions
Istvaan V- Open rebellion made vs Loyalist legions
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Aye.
There was one other loyalist thousand son in Ashes of Prospero. He was a librarian of the Raptorian(I believe) and had been trapped in some kind of warp maze when he was killed along with the lost space wolf 13th company that attacked prospero during the HH. His spirit however lived on and first chance it got, escaped the maze and got stuck inside Njal Stormcallers head. After a lot of stuff happening and arriving back on prospero the rest of the thousand sons attack and the loyalist sorcerer see’s what his legion, even his Primarch, had become in 10,000 years and actively helped the space wolves to secure a victory, even finding the lost 13th company of the heresy. (He and Njal also formed a sort of respect for each other along the way. I know surprising)
The loyalist word bearer dreadnought is one of the best astartes ever
Your output is INSANE....thanks for the time and passion you put in your videos...
Part two on Urda.
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Hey Majorkill, you should make a video about the Apothecary Meros, the guy who saved Sanguinius
Headed into the military this Sunday and watching ur videos during the wait times. You are clutch
Very nice, thank you so much for all this information. I'm working on my own faction (just for fun) and I was hoping to use Loyalist Thousand Sons Space Marines. Now that I know there were several, it makes things a bit easier.
Maybe a video about loyalist chapters with traitor gene seeds?
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I remember stumbling across some lore that most of the iron lords that would've been loyalists were killed when they refused to help purge Olympia. Same with the night lords at Nostramo
How about a video of traitors from Loyist chapters?
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"Rest Easy, Space Wizards" fuck yeah, Majorkill, this is why you're the Best. Nothing but respect to the honorable and loyal Thousand Sons!
Hey Majorkill. Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, The Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Thank you.
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I love love LOVE hearing about loyalists from traitor legions!
Though this does make me curious. Have any marines from loyalist legions decided that Chaos looked cooler than the Imperium?
I remember hearing that the White Scars suffered this more than anybody, with the Khan needing to kill a good portion of his ship’s crew because they turned traitor.
Some of the Word Bearer chaplins spread to other legions were loyalists but they were largely exectued by the loyalists. In one of the Rvane Guard knowledge Corax does this when he gets back to Deliverance.
One thing I like to play with is what if non-existence is an actual place in the warp. So, things like Horos could come back.
Can you talk about traitors from loyalist legions? I mean it's one thing to betray your dad but also the Emperor? That takes a lot of will to betray them both.
Another interesting thing about the Word Bearers: a chunk of the legion hated what they had become, but saw it as a necessity. They felt they had to serve a deity. If the Emp had handled Monarchia differently, maybe a more sizeable amount of the legion would have stayed loyal to Him, still believing he was an infallible god.
from what I recall from Prince of Crows almost half the Night Lords legion is still terran. Id imagine their attitude just changed over time from being with Curze and the nostramins
Bro, I didn't realize how much 40k lore I had learned until my friend asked me about some characters from 40k. Thanks Majorkill
Fel zharhost, chief librarian of night lords was knight errant
You forgot the Vth fellowship of thousand sons, which where all loyal and fought alongside the imperial fists in cthonia
10:14 this guy makes appearances in the vulkan books after the istvaan massacre.
I would really like to see the Alpha Legion reveal themselves to be loyalist all along.
4:10 Everyone seems to forget how low the Iron Warriors will go to win.
Here is a video-idea:
All different human variations or psykic variations (if you havent already made that video) like normal human, psyker, blank, astropath, primaris psyker etc as well as xenos psykers
I don’t even collect, play or care too much for Warhammer, but I’m so f*##ing hooked on these videos because of the way Overkill tells the lore 😂
Majorkill should make a lore video for all the Warhammer 40k Space Marine multiplayer maps.
What
Video idea: How about you make a video about ollanius pius, the last christian fill in instead of Guilliman
For my boy Optimum: How would each primarch react to and rule the Imperium if they returned instead of Guilliman
Quite incompetent, all of them. And very likely would cause another civil war within the Imperium.
Guilliman is the statesman, and he's good at it.
Video 21 of requesting each primarchs reaction to chaos/demons including traitors
as I understand it a lot of traitor legion loyalists also quietly dissapeared into various chapters during the second founding, everyones favourite bloody magpies are basically confirmed as descended from thousand sons loyalists.
Let’s be honest. It quite likely that at this point around 99% of the Alpha Legion has no idea who’s side they’re on. And the 1% that actually do have a clue about what’s going on aren’t gonna tell them shit.
Got a video idea my friend, instead of loyalists from traitor legions, do traitor's in loyalist legions. Great video is always take care
This video brings about a good idea. What would the imperium do if they discovered a small band of loyalist from a traitor legion still kicking ass in the emperor's name?
I would highly recommend a guy called amber king his lore videos are so great they’re long form like leutins but so insanely immersive
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Since you made Seth‘s video about warp entities that aren’t aligned with chaos. I’d like to propose a video idea of my own. About what remains of and references to ‘our’ era and earlier things from earth in the time of 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time.
PS: Majorkill please tell me if you see this comment. So I know the idea is in your head.
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I didn't know there was thousand sons on macragge or about the loyal word bearers. Cool stuff
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Could Arhiman be considered more rogue than Chaos since he really only wants to save the Rubric Marines? I'm not TS expert by any means so I might be wrong.
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However...Grey Knights are given new gene seed, and none of the knight errant even became grey knights. They lacked the whole "being a psyker" requirement...;)
Now a video about traitor space marines from loyalists legions
YES! Finally the Anchorite gets a shout out!!!
As far as I knew, the non-traitor members of the Traitor Legions all became Black Shields. I guess there are still freelancers running around the setting.
A army of renegades from various legions would be amazing.
Lorgar when finding out about chaos: yo yo check out this new gods to worship
Wait, we're not gonna mention the probable Thousand Sons fleet that escaped Prospero and probably became the Blood Ravens? 😅
Not confirmed lore, just a fan theory
@@Asraeks the second dawn of war novel all but comes out and says they are
@@christrudden5114 very unlikely they're TS, more likely they're Word Bearers.
Eliphas they're word bearers. And so they are word bearers
I like to imagine the Loyalists from traitor legions that were killed became the first of the Legion Of The Damned.
New MajorKill video? Cowabunger it is.
Majorkill since we all love our Golden banana boys. Which custodes are better? The generation with Constantin Valdor or the current 41st millennium custodes?
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Interesting, very interesting
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I don't believe the Word Bearers venerated Lorgar. I remember a line from one of the Heresy books saying something close to: "The bearers of the word bear Lorgar"
Basically their legions put men who they considered the most loyal in the worst and hardest battles across the galaxy to whittle them down until they were eventually dead or too weak to defend themselves against the rest of their legion
7:32 middle finger or a cod piece? Either way, I can't unsee it
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I'm actually running a kill team that's all loyalists from traitor legions, so this should be a very fun video to watch.
I always wanted to hear where they were
played a game awhile ago where we played loyal Nightlords
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Will you ever complete the fixing the End Times series? It was really good and I would love to see it completed :)
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So, if thousand sons wasn't attacked by the Shy Girls, Golden Banana mans and space furrys they could obliterate the traitors on The Siege of Terra.
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Go from the 2:25 mark!
That Word Bearer known as the Anchorite, the one who willingly surrendered to the Ultramarines and submitted to longterm imprisonment, including fighting off his traitor Legion members when they came to break him out millenia later, is an example of loyalty and devotion above and beyond. It's a shame that someone so dedicated is so self hating. His Primarch and his Legion may have sold their lives and souls to the Ruinous Powers. But that doesn't mean that he's a traitor. Nor a lost cause. And while the Emperor is VERY against the idea of being a god, and religion in general, this Word Bearer deserves a better existence. If the Eclessiarchy weren't so batsh¡t crazy in their blanket hatred for ALL members of the traitor Legions, the Anchorite would be PERFECT for their ranks. Both for his faith, and for his example of how even the most lost and damned Chaos forces had members who stayed loyal to the Emperor, the Imperium, and humanity.
10:32 Roboutian Heresy Alpha Legion remained loyal and are based.
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Not even a mention for Rhylanor and Still turned out to be a good vid.
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