Arumba: The Ai focuses on the player Me:What no they dont Me playing as Britain getting invaded by Spain with 30k troops while France has occupied the entire Iberian peninsula. Me: Yeah they do
It's interesting to see a playthrough that doesn't involve some kind of, maybe not cheesy, but somewhat system abussing "lock the ottoman army in an island" tactic.
Assisting Albania as Byz who will then return cores for you has been viable for quite a few patches now, and was the strategy I used before the Third Rome dlc for a Very Hard Byzantium -> Rome -> Roman Culture Europe run Although trapping them is more effective
There is only one exception I know to this rule, but it doesn't help the player. AI France, when defending in their territory, immediately start making really good decisions on other AI (outside of tons of troops). You get them in a PU as England though, suddenly France has no brains anymore.
Arumba looking at his opinion of Albania instead of Albania's opinion of him is the epitome of derping, especially when he knows it's wrong but still goes with it anyway.
See, this is what happens when Catholics and Orthodox work together. Albania, Byzantium, Serbia, and Venice are able to beat the Ottomans all on their own. Warms my heart it does to see the Sultans struggle so.
The Ottomans are really a bunch of derps, sending a 9k stack into a 20k+ stack with a strait crossing. Anyway I guess the best course of action would be for you to prolong as much as possible this war. By doing so the Ottomans would have to merc up more and mor which would be impossible to sustain in the long run (even now they have a sizeable amount of them)
you're damn right about the AI going after players, currently in an offensive war which I am not the leader of yet somehow the AI are so bothered with my lands
Inspired me to do my own Byzantium run. Gave condottieri to Venice, got two cores back in return. Then beat up Ottojerk, got all but one core and took the crossing provinces. Finally, Maamluks beat up Ottojerk and gave me back my last core. It’s been a good day, no restarts required.
Arumba, I've pursued the Mare Nostrum for awhile until finally getting it last year. I have confidence that once you defeat the Ottokebs the first time you could get Basileus before the year 1600; the MN, however, is a bummer if you don't revolve your whole campaign around it, as AE coalitions and foreign ruler penalties can ruin your play (fighting 60k+ troops each war in the early 1600's can really slow you down). The strategy for getting the Mare Nostrum in time without getting coalitions or a lot of penalties is by conquering one or two provinces that have a "de jure" historical nation on them (i.e, Bulgaria, Croatia, or Crimea if they are swallowed by the ottos) and them liberating them as vassals to use the Reconquest CB, as it offers almost zero AE; and since the land goes to the vassal, you often won't get the foreign culture/religion penalties. The right ideas to go for this are mainly Influence (diplo annex, AE cooldown and vassal management) and Diplomatic (relations threshold). I'm eager to see you play this series, as its achievements were the ones I most sought after :)
I actually got this achievement through naval supremacy. I built up to fourteen galleys and declared war on Venice to take that province north of venice from them. (They were also at war with mr otto). That province is key because you can lock the ottoman army down in it by besting their fleet (they only have eight galleys to begin with) and blocking the strait. After that you can siege down their entire country and they are completely helpless
13:30 ARUMBA THAT WAS YOUR OPINION OF THEM AND THEY IMPROVED RELATIONS AT ONE POINT THE TOP NUMBER IS THEIR OPINION OF U, IN WHICG IT CLEARLY SAID IMPROVE RELATIONS +8. AAAAÁAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
This Achievement will make you hate the ottomans-unconditionally and this "hesitation" to pull the trigger on the ottoman is very real! well played Arumba
Playing as Ragusa,allied Milana and Hungary so when Otomans declared war on Albania who was guaranted by Venice done fast atack on Albania made them Vasal and called my alies for defensive war. Otomans was in war with me Venice Hungary Milan Genoa and few others and I menage to stop their invasion also i take few provinces and created Bosnia and Serbia as my vasals. After that Alied also Austria and taken Dalmatia from Venice and Joined HRE. next plan is to take papal state and expand in Italy also i allied now Florense and canceled Milan. Quantity my first idea as Ragusa to increase my force limit and keep loyalty of my vasals.
Arumba could have just joined the war and not rent his troops .... most likely Albania will take the adjacent provinces but will return byzantium’s cores if arumba gets enough warscore
He said that this is "vanilla EU4" 4:37... yet I see all the new features from later expansions and the UI design is noticeably different. I don't understand.
Woohoo!! Finally!!! A province that you pronounced right! Epirus @2:27 (although accent is on first letter). You butchered Euboea though, soouu bad :D When it comes to non-english prononciations, we read it like we write it. When it comes to vowels, E's & A's are like in elephant, O's & I's like in original, U's like in epirus. Master that, then we'll continue :D
Got more examples for you :D Stellaris! All 3 vowels good! First i in impossible, u in byzantium (I'm just reading randomly from suggested videos tab:) Few consonants that bother me: g's are always like in great, game, good. J's are like last milisecond of english pronounciation of Y or why. Got another one, ARUMBA - all 3 vowels good! Ohh, and why I commented in first place; EUBOEA - e (elephant), u (arumba), b, o (original), e (elephant), a (arumba), with accent on last e.
Is my game bugged or something? In my games the Ottomans just don't do stuf like this. In my current Oman game (trying to get The Third Way achievement) it's 1490 and they've already taken Byzantium, Venice's provinces in Greece, Eastern Anatolia, utterly murdered the Mamluks in the first war and conquered their way through Qara all the way to the Persian Gulf. The Shadow Kingdom just fired and they're now beating up Genoa and their Austrian ally. Seeing vids like this dealing with the Ottomans so handily makes me both happy and sad that I can't seem to contain them no matter what I do. *Sadface*
Its not that hard: You need to kill them before 1450. The get strong once they have the City of Worlds desires and all the balifs and build up their galleys to max. In your case its a bit sad but if you want to play Byzantium or similar you should just wait for their DoW and prepare for that. So when they come you destroy them with your allies like demonstrated here. In "very hard" its a bit iffy but I just tried. Even just traight gettying 3-4 derp allies will be enough to win the war firsttry esepcially if you get some lucky sieges ;)
You are right, of course. It was a bit of a rant as well. They're really not THAT strong before they snipe Constantinople. It's just that the AI never seems to manage to contain them. It always falls to the player to (try to) stop them once they inevitably blob out of control. Either that or the player has to start near enough to intervene in the early game (which usually isn't possible if you want to hunt for achievements like me).
you could swap out some merc infantry to save your manpower for later can you take away your troops from albania? if so just let the ottomans draw this out and lose troops against venice and serbia as long as possible
well for your starting speech about the Otto man being OP well just do what I said in the last video put athens into scutage then get military access into venice into EUBOEA have 5 heavies to trap his armies and just train up some infantry and go fully occupy Ottoman land and take him for all he's worth
I bought eu4 last week, mine doesn't look like this one at all. Names of the nations and borders are much thicker on your map. Is this a mod or something?
"graphical improvement map mod" is the name of the mod, you can install mods in steam workshop, there is a few more map mods there, if you want to try it.
Personally I hate this one, I see nothing wrong with how original looks. He says he can see borders better this way. It's only borders&font mod, no gameplay changes, so, your choice.
here is a cheesy way to do it, start as the ottomans. wipe out byzantium. then move your capital and release bzy as a vassal and play them. you can even sabotage the ottos first by using their manpower and deleting all their troops and ships.
When you improve relations with someone, the diplomat will automatically make them improve relations with you at half speed. So Byzantium gets +3, while Albania, through the Byzantine diplomat is getting +1. When you reach +100 relations with them, they should get +40-50 relations with you.
Arumba: The Ai focuses on the player
Me:What no they dont
Me playing as Britain getting invaded by Spain with 30k troops while France has occupied the entire Iberian peninsula.
Me: Yeah they do
Винаги е така!
how do you even get invaded by spain as britain, even with the spanish and french navy they can only try before u wipe them off
@@anon2034 Bulgarian gang roll up
It's interesting to see a playthrough that doesn't involve some kind of, maybe not cheesy, but somewhat system abussing "lock the ottoman army in an island" tactic.
Assisting Albania as Byz who will then return cores for you has been viable for quite a few patches now, and was the strategy I used before the Third Rome dlc for a Very Hard Byzantium -> Rome -> Roman Culture Europe run
Although trapping them is more effective
Somehow the AI acts so incompetent versus other ai but is so efficient versus the player
There is only one exception I know to this rule, but it doesn't help the player. AI France, when defending in their territory, immediately start making really good decisions on other AI (outside of tons of troops). You get them in a PU as England though, suddenly France has no brains anymore.
Arumba looking at his opinion of Albania instead of Albania's opinion of him is the epitome of derping, especially when he knows it's wrong but still goes with it anyway.
See, this is what happens when Catholics and Orthodox work together. Albania, Byzantium, Serbia, and Venice are able to beat the Ottomans all on their own. Warms my heart it does to see the Sultans struggle so.
Ottomans conquered Byzantium because the Catholic crusades sacked it first.
DIE YOU CATHOLIC HEATHENS
Me: [Unites the Peoples of the Balkan into a single country]
Kebab: *NANI!?*
The Ottomans are really a bunch of derps, sending a 9k stack into a 20k+ stack with a strait crossing.
Anyway I guess the best course of action would be for you to prolong as much as possible this war. By doing so the Ottomans would have to merc up more and mor which would be impossible to sustain in the long run (even now they have a sizeable amount of them)
At this early game, if this goes on, they can go bankrupt from this. It happened in one of my Byz runs.
17 reasons why Albania did not ally Byzantium
Huh, Why DOES this comment has 45 likes and no reply?
Because you don't say anything to Stalin, you just calmly admire his intelligence
Elvir Jade well said comrade
@@elvirjade4742 He didn't even trust himself. A wise man indeed.
9000 reasons why Stalin feared Tito...
There's only one reason - Tito had some big balls
you're damn right about the AI going after players, currently in an offensive war which I am not the leader of yet somehow the AI are so bothered with my lands
It's not a secret or anything, even PDX staff have heavily implied it (though not say it outright) in a Dev Diary video a while back.
Halgrenos yeah they have to be against the player as the AI aren't that intelligent. They'd need to have some deep learning AI otherwise
Go play Scotland and you will see what England's do. They did not even try to go to France, even after occupying all my provines
Inspired me to do my own Byzantium run. Gave condottieri to Venice, got two cores back in return. Then beat up Ottojerk, got all but one core and took the crossing provinces. Finally, Maamluks beat up Ottojerk and gave me back my last core. It’s been a good day, no restarts required.
Arumba I think it’s sally if you come out to fight ... what you’re doing is I think called relieving ..
He relieved himself all over those Ottoman troops
Arumba, I've pursued the Mare Nostrum for awhile until finally getting it last year. I have confidence that once you defeat the Ottokebs the first time you could get Basileus before the year 1600; the MN, however, is a bummer if you don't revolve your whole campaign around it, as AE coalitions and foreign ruler penalties can ruin your play (fighting 60k+ troops each war in the early 1600's can really slow you down).
The strategy for getting the Mare Nostrum in time without getting coalitions or a lot of penalties is by conquering one or two provinces that have a "de jure" historical nation on them (i.e, Bulgaria, Croatia, or Crimea if they are swallowed by the ottos) and them liberating them as vassals to use the Reconquest CB, as it offers almost zero AE; and since the land goes to the vassal, you often won't get the foreign culture/religion penalties. The right ideas to go for this are mainly Influence (diplo annex, AE cooldown and vassal management) and Diplomatic (relations threshold).
I'm eager to see you play this series, as its achievements were the ones I most sought after :)
I actually got this achievement through naval supremacy. I built up to fourteen galleys and declared war on Venice to take that province north of venice from them. (They were also at war with mr otto). That province is key because you can lock the ottoman army down in it by besting their fleet (they only have eight galleys to begin with) and blocking the strait. After that you can siege down their entire country and they are completely helpless
13:30 Hurts me to watch that XD Derpy Arumba
Coalition of Derps FTW!
Vs the Derp lord the Otter derps
13:30 you were looking at the wrong number. They have improved relations with YOU at some point, and they aren't doing it anymore.
13:30 ARUMBA THAT WAS YOUR OPINION OF THEM AND THEY IMPROVED RELATIONS AT ONE POINT THE TOP NUMBER IS THEIR OPINION OF U, IN WHICG IT CLEARLY SAID IMPROVE RELATIONS +8. AAAAÁAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Ik he noticed later but still
It's incredible that he has like 10k hours in this game and still misses things to this day :D.
Mark Krüger Lutz he is human its all good
Going as far as forming the Roman Empire?
Is it just pure coincidence that both you and Adrian Gaming started a Byzantium LP at the same time ? :D
Kingtot Both second parts of their LP's popped up in my notifications at the same time lol
Kingtot yes it is, trust me 😅
The Basilliest Basileus!
perhaps if the war goes too well you can declare a war on your own, depending on the position of the ottomans are in.
Arumba: Vlor
The Entire Balkans: IT'S VLORE! THE "E" IS NOT SILENT!
Crossing strait into a larger army? They'll never expect us.
Historically accurate Ottomans
When you watch a 20 minute video without realizing it you know it’s a good video
Gabriel Angelos of the Blood Ravens
the Derp Coalition :v
Glorious will Byzantium be!
This Achievement will make you hate the ottomans-unconditionally and this "hesitation" to pull the trigger on the ottoman is very real! well played Arumba
"guarantee independence" would help you to get that allience with relationship bonus. You just talked about it like its it's a terminal option
Thanks daddy
Did the AI get smarter in 2021?
SKANDERBEG
Don't think i ever heard someone argue that the ottoman claims don't matter as long as they get the alliance with albania...
Playing as Ragusa,allied Milana and Hungary so when Otomans declared war on Albania who was guaranted by Venice done fast atack on Albania made them Vasal and called my alies for defensive war.
Otomans was in war with me Venice Hungary Milan Genoa and few others and I menage to stop their invasion also i take few provinces and created Bosnia and Serbia as my vasals.
After that Alied also Austria and taken Dalmatia from Venice and Joined HRE.
next plan is to take papal state and expand in Italy also i allied now Florense and canceled Milan.
Quantity my first idea as Ragusa to increase my force limit and keep loyalty of my vasals.
Confirmed! Great strategy for any country againt Ottomans, you just have to ninja siege Albania.
Arumba could have just joined the war and not rent his troops .... most likely Albania will take the adjacent provinces but will return byzantium’s cores if arumba gets enough warscore
Even though my question might seem dumb, would somebody kindly answer it?
You're playing this game like an exam lmao
trying to do this without the features that the DLC's bring is a fucking pain
Does anyone know the mod he uses to get the map texture to change?
Wow. I wish I was half as good as Arumba.
He said that this is "vanilla EU4" 4:37... yet I see all the new features from later expansions and the UI design is noticeably different. I don't understand.
By "vanilla" I think he means without third-party game changing mods, such as Common Universalis, not "without DLC".
You say this is vanilla EU IV? I'm seeing features here that are not in my version, so I'm calling BS.
He calls it vanilla cause he doesn't use mods
PengPengPenguin Ahhhh! That was a needed clarification for me too.
why am I always so unlucky when starting byzantium: ottoman does not dow albania ever even with venic preoccupied
Woohoo!! Finally!!! A province that you pronounced right! Epirus @2:27 (although accent is on first letter). You butchered Euboea though, soouu bad :D When it comes to non-english prononciations, we read it like we write it. When it comes to vowels, E's & A's are like in elephant, O's & I's like in original, U's like in epirus. Master that, then we'll continue :D
Got more examples for you :D Stellaris! All 3 vowels good! First i in impossible, u in byzantium (I'm just reading randomly from suggested videos tab:) Few consonants that bother me: g's are always like in great, game, good. J's are like last milisecond of english pronounciation of Y or why. Got another one, ARUMBA - all 3 vowels good! Ohh, and why I commented in first place; EUBOEA - e (elephant), u (arumba), b, o (original), e (elephant), a (arumba), with accent on last e.
All hail the derps!
Longer vids
Xavi Navarro Ros this
Ya more
is this the CD version or steam?
Is my game bugged or something? In my games the Ottomans just don't do stuf like this. In my current Oman game (trying to get The Third Way achievement) it's 1490 and they've already taken Byzantium, Venice's provinces in Greece, Eastern Anatolia, utterly murdered the Mamluks in the first war and conquered their way through Qara all the way to the Persian Gulf. The Shadow Kingdom just fired and they're now beating up Genoa and their Austrian ally. Seeing vids like this dealing with the Ottomans so handily makes me both happy and sad that I can't seem to contain them no matter what I do. *Sadface*
Its not that hard: You need to kill them before 1450. The get strong once they have the City of Worlds desires and all the balifs and build up their galleys to max. In your case its a bit sad but if you want to play Byzantium or similar you should just wait for their DoW and prepare for that. So when they come you destroy them with your allies like demonstrated here. In "very hard" its a bit iffy but I just tried. Even just traight gettying 3-4 derp allies will be enough to win the war firsttry esepcially if you get some lucky sieges ;)
You are right, of course. It was a bit of a rant as well. They're really not THAT strong before they snipe Constantinople. It's just that the AI never seems to manage to contain them. It always falls to the player to (try to) stop them once they inevitably blob out of control. Either that or the player has to start near enough to intervene in the early game (which usually isn't possible if you want to hunt for achievements like me).
Which Graphic Mod is he playing?
How come Epirus is called Epirus but not Yanya when its Ottoman's land?
Arumba has turned off dynamic province names it seems.
Yeah must be the dynamic province names setting, I noticed it on the first episode with Macedonia in fact.
Are you using any mods
Is the map you have a mod or just the next expansion?
Volk551 I believe the map changes are part of the suite of UI mods Arumba uses.
the mod is Graphical Map Improvements by Bleergh. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=253263609
you could swap out some merc infantry to save your manpower for later
can you take away your troops from albania? if so just let the ottomans draw this out and lose troops against venice and serbia as long as possible
well for your starting speech about the Otto man being OP well just do what I said in the last video put athens into scutage then get military access into venice into EUBOEA have 5 heavies to trap his armies and just train up some infantry and go fully occupy Ottoman land and take him for all he's worth
And it's boring and abusive
andrew gray And you might fail too. I tried it and tried the skandeberg strategy. Skandeberg is better and less of a risk to fail.
Salterino Kripperino Exactly lol. Abuse or be abused
I bought eu4 last week, mine doesn't look like this one at all. Names of the nations and borders are much thicker on your map. Is this a mod or something?
He does have a mod for the map layout. Don't know which , though.
it is graphical improvement map mod
So do we have a standart mod/interface that is generally used by expert players? or is it just this guy modding his game as he sees fit?
"graphical improvement map mod" is the name of the mod, you can install mods in steam workshop, there is a few more map mods there, if you want to try it.
Personally I hate this one, I see nothing wrong with how original looks. He says he can see borders better this way. It's only borders&font mod, no gameplay changes, so, your choice.
What year did you start this video in?
Nazi hunter i meamt like his start date... Cause it looks like 1455 or 65 i cant quite tell...I'm just trying to gauge it so i can use his strategy
he played for only like a year in his first video
standard arumba gameplay
Knowing Arumba and the necessity of calculated moves while playing Byzantium, we'll probably have some 10 years in 30 videos boys.
here is a cheesy way to do it, start as the ottomans. wipe out byzantium. then move your capital and release bzy as a vassal and play them. you can even sabotage the ottos first by using their manpower and deleting all their troops and ships.
You cannot get the Basileus achivement starting with the Ottomans, this can ONLY be obtained by starting with Byzantine in the year 1444:
Syrric Mericles dude he’s not doing it cheesy ... he’s going for the achievement that’s why
imo doing it normally is way more satisfying
it was advice for others, less for arumba, you can get mare nostrom and sultan of rum in same play through this way.
I hate how Paradox is making EU4 harder and harder for new players.
Arumba. Albania 🇦🇱 is improving relations with YOU. 50% improvement rate rounded down to +1 improved relation?
When you improve relations with someone, the diplomat will automatically make them improve relations with you at half speed. So Byzantium gets +3, while Albania, through the Byzantine diplomat is getting +1. When you reach +100 relations with them, they should get +40-50 relations with you.
DEUS VULT
*Христос воскресе (Bysantium is orthodox, yeah)
Play Meiou and taxes 2.02 mod
Ivan Lončar he did
First
If you garantee Albânia they should call you to war as a defensive ally
This will not work if you guarantee after a war is already declared. With an alliance however they can call you in.
Richard Bleek correct