It's funny, I showed my daughter a video on the Marshmellow Test when she was 6 years old. It didn't mention any possible errors. But all the same, she just took it as true and applied it. Now, she's top of her class, works to make and save her own money, while making time for friends and computer time. She just accepted it as true and integrated patience and hard work in her value system. Perhaps, I inadvertently propagandized her? Because I would hear her mention the Marshmellow Test to her friends, "Have you heard of the Marshmellow Test"? When kids hear "Marshmellow" anything, their ears perk up. But I taught her other things to make her feel extra smart too. She thought herself quite clever to ask other girls and boys in her friend group, "Do you know what "pie" is? It's Three point one four. She would rattle off", when they said, "No". And all the adults would say, "Yes" and "How smart", etc. Of course, other grade school kids had no idea what pi was any more than my daughter did. But she felt quite satisfied to feel smart. I saw no need to bore her with irrelevant details for her age. I was happy to instill a simple joy in being smart. I have a lot of teaching techniques that I invented. I'll tell you 2, but I have a dozen teaching hacks. My neighbor was a Dominican single mother who could not speak English. Her oldest son was in jail for selling heroin. She had two younger sons that were friends of my son. The older of the 2 was a little tough guy who, though polite in my presence, looked like he could go the same way as his older brother. One day, he came to my door and asked if I could help him with his homework sheet? He literally couldn't do anything. I helped him and said, "Come everyday". Then one day we decided to stop, he had been doing his homework perfectly for two weeks. He was at the bottom of his class and had the attitude and body language of a little thug when we started. In 6 months, he had gone to the top of his class and adopted the posture of a responsible and dignified gentleman. It was an amazing transformation. I thought to myself. Of course, rich people have tutors. And if they gave tutors to the poor, the rich might be out of a job. I didn't invent tutoring. But I did invent free mass tutoring of the poor. Think of the benefits. I've come to the conclusion that Modern education is all wrong. Frankly, it's still guided with vestiges of the structures, of the hopelessly archaic Medieval University. The first thing should be to instill a passion for reading. Because once you do that, the kids just take off by themselves. I'm convinced that forcing a child to read is just going to make them hate it. My daughter would sit next to me while I read, The Diary of a Whimpey Kid, both of us laughing like mad. It's funny for both kids and adults, which certainly helps. But I would point at the words as I read too. Then one day, she asked if she could read it herself? I would correct a word here and there. Then she read it perfectly. She learned how to read, just by looking at the letters as I read. So, she eventually asked if she could read it by herself in her own room? Of course, she loves to read now. My son graduated a decade ago and is very successful. No complaints here. I just feel sorry for all those kids being left behind by modern educators, like the blind leading the blind.
As someone who has done first year Psychology I always thought there was too much weight put on the marshmellow test and some other experiments - e.g. the did you see the gorilla in the background? test. Interesting that a follow up with the original children found that correlation, I wonder what other factors are at play to produce such a correlation that maybe were outside of the scope of the marshmellow test? Is being able to delay gratification a great life skill to have - why, and to what extent, I wonder? If you delay too much do you reach the territory of procrastination? Thanks for the video 😉
Our choices aren't the only thing which determines outcomes in our life. There are many, many factors we have zero impact on. Accidents, "luck" (being in the right time in the right place), social support net, health issues, other people's free will and actions... . I always wanted to be a scientist or a psychologist. I love both science and psychology. There was one major problem - to study there I'd have to pass some exams including statistics and some other things. I have dyscalculia. I have no problem with understanding everything intellectually, I do, however, big problems with calculations, for obvious reason. I studied what didn't demand counting - literature and linguistics. I was thinking about PhD. But still, even if I'd love to be a lecturer, I wouldn't have access to it. You know what I mean. Some places are occupied by cliques and they make sure there's no one new out of their society. I my boyfriend betrayed me. I couldn't prevent it. I am that child, which could be left with a marshmallow, and I wouldn't eat it. If I could change the outcome of any of mentioned situations, I would do something about it. When there's a will, there's a way - it's not always true.
My first issue with the test is the idea the subjects want two marshmallows. If it was me in the room, I would eat it, because one is enough. Also, Ebbe B. Ebbesen is obviously a fake name 😉
I do think they always made sure that each subject wanted more to begin with-and they actually like marshmallows! I looked up Ebbesen. It looks like he was a social psychologist at UCSD but has recently died. :(
So, what you are telling me... is that growing up poor, in a family with no education or ambition, and being constantly marginalized... might have something to do with my current circumstances of being basically homeless. You don't say...
Yes, I’m constantly frustrated with how people put so much emphasis on personal qualities to explain life’s outcomes without recognising the role of luck, environment, etc. The mushroom test seemed to become a beacon for a few decades for people who wanted to believe it’s ALL about self-control and grit. :(
@@socialneuro I am glad to see straight forward dialogue driven content, by people who know how to read research papers. My comment is slightly facetious, but the point is valid. Thanks for being one of the rational few.
@@49skim Nah, I don't play the slavery game. I'll never work in this country again. It's a pile of steaming crap, along with most of the people. This country could disappear tomorrow and I would celebrate! Absolutely nothing about it is special. What really takes the piss, for me, is how many people are willing to be slaves and just take it up the backside every single day of their life. And then they want to be recognized for it, for ruining the next generations ability to even live a normalized life. Again, no thanks....
I came up a term to desrcribe a theory of patience. I believed that the experiment tests patience, and so i came up with a theory called strategic distraction theory of patience to help us be more patient. you can observe it when you put when the kids try to distract themselves from looking at the marshmallow. I am still developing it more but I would love critique of it when I get it fully formulated.😉
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It's funny, I showed my daughter a video on the Marshmellow Test when she was 6 years old. It didn't mention any possible errors. But all the same, she just took it as true and applied it. Now, she's top of her class, works to make and save her own money, while making time for friends and computer time. She just accepted it as true and integrated patience and hard work in her value system. Perhaps, I inadvertently propagandized her? Because I would hear her mention the Marshmellow Test to her friends, "Have you heard of the Marshmellow Test"? When kids hear "Marshmellow" anything, their ears perk up.
But I taught her other things to make her feel extra smart too. She thought herself quite clever to ask other girls and boys in her friend group, "Do you know what "pie" is? It's Three point one four. She would rattle off", when they said, "No". And all the adults would say, "Yes" and "How smart", etc. Of course, other grade school kids had no idea what pi was any more than my daughter did. But she felt quite satisfied to feel smart. I saw no need to bore her with irrelevant details for her age. I was happy to instill a simple joy in being smart.
I have a lot of teaching techniques that I invented. I'll tell you 2, but I have a dozen teaching hacks. My neighbor was a Dominican single mother who could not speak English. Her oldest son was in jail for selling heroin. She had two younger sons that were friends of my son. The older of the 2 was a little tough guy who, though polite in my presence, looked like he could go the same way as his older brother.
One day, he came to my door and asked if I could help him with his homework sheet? He literally couldn't do anything. I helped him and said, "Come everyday". Then one day we decided to stop, he had been doing his homework perfectly for two weeks. He was at the bottom of his class and had the attitude and body language of a little thug when we started. In 6 months, he had gone to the top of his class and adopted the posture of a responsible and dignified gentleman. It was an amazing transformation.
I thought to myself. Of course, rich people have tutors. And if they gave tutors to the poor, the rich might be out of a job. I didn't invent tutoring. But I did invent free mass tutoring of the poor. Think of the benefits.
I've come to the conclusion that Modern education is all wrong. Frankly, it's still guided with vestiges of the structures, of the hopelessly archaic Medieval University. The first thing should be to instill a passion for reading. Because once you do that, the kids just take off by themselves. I'm convinced that forcing a child to read is just going to make them hate it.
My daughter would sit next to me while I read, The Diary of a Whimpey Kid, both of us laughing like mad. It's funny for both kids and adults, which certainly helps. But I would point at the words as I read too. Then one day, she asked if she could read it herself? I would correct a word here and there. Then she read it perfectly. She learned how to read, just by looking at the letters as I read. So, she eventually asked if she could read it by herself in her own room? Of course, she loves to read now. My son graduated a decade ago and is very successful. No complaints here. I just feel sorry for all those kids being left behind by modern educators, like the blind leading the blind.
you seem like a great mom, good job on helping your neighbor's son
As someone who has done first year Psychology I always thought there was too much weight put on the marshmellow test and some other experiments - e.g. the did you see the gorilla in the background? test.
Interesting that a follow up with the original children found that correlation, I wonder what other factors are at play to produce such a correlation that maybe were outside of the scope of the marshmellow test? Is being able to delay gratification a great life skill to have - why, and to what extent, I wonder? If you delay too much do you reach the territory of procrastination?
Thanks for the video 😉
Well done Eric! ;)
Life is full of temptations
.it is so wise to wait for the better🎉 rewards
Our choices aren't the only thing which determines outcomes in our life. There are many, many factors we have zero impact on. Accidents, "luck" (being in the right time in the right place), social support net, health issues, other people's free will and actions... .
I always wanted to be a scientist or a psychologist. I love both science and psychology. There was one major problem - to study there I'd have to pass some exams including statistics and some other things. I have dyscalculia. I have no problem with understanding everything intellectually, I do, however, big problems with calculations, for obvious reason.
I studied what didn't demand counting - literature and linguistics. I was thinking about PhD. But still, even if I'd love to be a lecturer, I wouldn't have access to it. You know what I mean. Some places are occupied by cliques and they make sure there's no one new out of their society.
I my boyfriend betrayed me. I couldn't prevent it.
I am that child, which could be left with a marshmallow, and I wouldn't eat it. If I could change the outcome of any of mentioned situations, I would do something about it.
When there's a will, there's a way - it's not always true.
My first issue with the test is the idea the subjects want two marshmallows. If it was me in the room, I would eat it, because one is enough.
Also, Ebbe B. Ebbesen is obviously a fake name 😉
I do think they always made sure that each subject wanted more to begin with-and they actually like marshmallows! I looked up Ebbesen. It looks like he was a social psychologist at UCSD but has recently died. :(
So, what you are telling me... is that growing up poor, in a family with no education or ambition, and being constantly marginalized... might have something to do with my current circumstances of being basically homeless. You don't say...
Yes, I’m constantly frustrated with how people put so much emphasis on personal qualities to explain life’s outcomes without recognising the role of luck, environment, etc. The mushroom test seemed to become a beacon for a few decades for people who wanted to believe it’s ALL about self-control and grit. :(
@@socialneuro I am glad to see straight forward dialogue driven content, by people who know how to read research papers. My comment is slightly facetious, but the point is valid. Thanks for being one of the rational few.
When you don't see better opportunities in future, it might be a sound decision to take the one in front of you.
A bird in the hand .....
@@49skim Nah, I don't play the slavery game. I'll never work in this country again. It's a pile of steaming crap, along with most of the people. This country could disappear tomorrow and I would celebrate! Absolutely nothing about it is special. What really takes the piss, for me, is how many people are willing to be slaves and just take it up the backside every single day of their life. And then they want to be recognized for it, for ruining the next generations ability to even live a normalized life. Again, no thanks....
I came up a term to desrcribe a theory of patience. I believed that the experiment tests patience, and so i came up with a theory called strategic distraction theory of patience to help us be more patient. you can observe it when you put when the kids try to distract themselves from looking at the marshmallow. I am still developing it more but I would love critique of it when I get it fully formulated.😉
i guess i have been beat to the observation
what if i am not that hungry and one marshmallow would be just right!
They did usually test what you liked best (e.g., different cookies, pretzels) to make sure the kid was motivated!
Marshmallows are disgusting. I wouldn't eat one ever. What does that say about my personality?
They did usually test what you liked best (e.g., different cookies, pretzels) to make sure the kid was motivated!
it says you are kinda suburban cakey
marshmellow rejection disorder
Self-esteem is very high . . .
I fail daily in my inability to avoid watching YT videos