I demoed the 70 and 60; amazing skis! So easy to initiate the turn, outstanding stability and no speed limit. Rossignol has a real winner with these new Forza series models.
Jeff, watching you ski the 70 at time index 14:00 - that's a front-side ski I can see every adult east coaster wanting. It looks approachable, it was obviously hero snow, but that's how people want to feel they can ski. Congrats to Rossi for bringing this ski to market - I bet I will see a bunch in the next few years. My 190 WC FIS 35m Fischer GS I had out today was scaring people, and me, as I was locked into carve or die turns - your video looks so much less stressful.
Ha! It's all about taking the stress level down! The initiation is so fun and easy on that ski, and it really holds well throughout. The tail is firm but not abusive, and that's one of the best parts of this ski. Can we make skis like this take hold in the US market? We're certainly hopeful!
Just back from a week in the French alps, rented the 181 for a week. Blew me away on groomers (medium hard to icy snow), hip on the snow carving on rolling blue/red runs was a blast, and easier than expected in tracked out powder. Even got to hit a few giant gates where it felt pretty good. Rossi hit it out of the park!
The Rossi is lighter. Other than their touring skis, Blizzard does specialize in some pretty stout skis. The R15 is more metallic feeling--that's one of the most amazing parts of the Forza, it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of metal in it, but there is! The sound of the Blizzard is more confidence-inspiring, and there's more power coming out of the tail, but for the majority of skiers, the Forza will have a better performance range.
I skied them both the same day and was surprised at how much I liked the Forza in comparison, especially after how much I lied the R15 last year. The Rossignol is far quieter of a ski--damp, smooth, and stable. The Blizzard felt more jittery than I remembered, but also still has more power than the Rossi. Since I don't think I need all that power to make the same type of turn, I'm leaning to the Rossignol for my front side affairs.
Compared to the HRC/SRC, neither the R15 nor the Forza can compare to the top-end performance and stability. The question is if you need that level of performance most/all of the time or if a ski like the Forza is a better choice for a broader scope for you as a skier.
Looks like a winner from the footage of you guys carving. The best carving i have seen you two do. 👍 i always like Rossignol ski but never buy them 🤔 the last Rossignol i owned was the first year sl slant nose that was so awesome. This one might have a chance with me. I will try to demo one at the test later this March. What size do you recommend ?
If you're in the middle, go shorter. I'm 6/2 225 and I had more success and fun on the 173 versus the 181, which was very surprising to me, but I'm not going to fight it!
Hi guys, thank you very much for this great video. It is very informative, detailed and helped me make my choice. So I expressed my wish about two weeks ago and lo and behold, yesterday my new Forza 70 V-ti Konect was under the Christmas tree. The only two things I'm not sure about: 1) Do I need the V-ti Konect or is the Master or even the basic version sufficient? 2) What length? You say you were extremely happy with the 173cm and say they were even more fun than the 181cm. How tall are you? I'm 196cm tall, 43 years old and a pretty good skier (I'm Austrian ;) ). I'm currently riding a Fischer RC4 giant slalom ski in 185cm. But as you get older, your strength dwindles, so although the RC4 is fun, I would like something more easy to turn, something for a little off-piste riding that I can keep going all day long. Thank you very much for your advice!
Awesome! The Master is the full Ash core with a race plate on it, so it's got some more stability and power for sure, but we were pretty darn impressed with the V-Ti Konnect, which is the "normal" version. I'm 190cm and loved the 173--it seemed to be the right length for me for what this ski wanted to do. Normally I'm a 180 skier and above, but I just didn't get the same vibes from the longer length. It seems short, I know, but I can't deny the positive experience I had on it.
The 70 is basically a refurbished React 10Ti with a slightly different shape, but pretty similar overall. The 60 is more like the React 8. I like the sophistication and quiet nature of the new Forza, as it feels like a more complete ski overall. As for Carv, we've had some fun, but it's been hard to pull consistent data as we're doing a lot of different things other than just carving. The highest IQ I've gotten is a 159 (no idea if that's good or not) and the highest edge angle I've seen is 90 degrees, which I'm kind of skeptical about.
Thanks for this response, and I love how you guys respond to most every comment! Glad to hear these are the spiritual successors to the Reacts, I'm skiing an R8 Ti from a few years ago which doesn't give up much on the R10. They're such an easy pair to ski, I call them my "ballet shoes" - something about the ease of which they turn in and especially the low swing weight. They are so eager to carve and gave me the confidence to drop my hips and take my carving to the next level! The tails are great to fire you out of the turn also. I don't see many Reacts in Europe at all, maybe these will take off a bit more as a high-level recreational ski designed to easily give a good time without all the "RACE" BS!
Thanks so much for this very informative review! I loved seeing the video of you both carving great turns on these. How you would compare the Forza 70 to the Stockli Montero AS? I'm an advanced skier who likes making quick turns on the side of the trail, as well as medium radius carved turns at medium speeds. I tried the Montero AR and loved their smoothness, but would like something with more quickness and energy. Mostly ski on groomers. Thanks!
The AS will deliver what you're looking for, especially if you liked the AR. That said, the Forza 70 is a very fun and capable ski that loves to be used in a carved turn. It's wider in the shovels and the tails, so it does have a different feel in both the initiation phase as well as the exit. It's more engaging at the ends of the ski, but it isn't nearly as agile from tip to tail as the AS. I do think there's a surprising amount of versatility with the Forza, as I really enjoyed it in softer snow and some slight crud and chop. I can't quite say the same thing about the AS as it's narrower and slightly softer overall.
Just my 2c but I've been enjoying it. Being able to use data to determine flaws in my technique has allowed me to progress very quickly this year. It's not cheap, and is borderline useless off of the groomers, but very useful in decent-ideal conditions.
Agree with this ^^ We've found that on-trail and in a carved turn, the device really likes our skiing, but off-piste, bumps, crud, and other zones, Carv does not seem to get good data. We expected that, and you just have to learn to decipher between useful and not on the app. We also spend half of our ski day filming each other, so it doesn't like those turns either.
Jeff and Bob. You guys were crushing it on those Forza skis. I don't think I have seen you guys carving this well on any skis. These might give the Atomic Q9 and 9.8 a run for favorite carving skis.
I would put the 9.8 a level above these in the needing more input from the driver then the forza'a. They both do great job of being glued to the snow, and railing turns I agree looked like some of Bob's best turns, now if he could reduce the amount of lead change between skis, but he is a big guy too.
I think the 9.8 carves like a best. If the Forza carves as well and requires less input, I’m on rossignols site tonight. Btw. If you guys need a sponsor for your WC debut , I’ll donate. You guys rip on these skis. I’ll personally, write Rossignol and demand royalties for both of you.
I doubt there are many reviews of this ski online yet. But they are great I’ve skied both forza and 9.8 in last two weeks. I have deacon 84 that I love but these skis take those to a whole new level. Deacon still a little more versatile in that can vary turn shape and play with them a little more. Forza just goes great from edge to edge. And both of these skis seem more glued to the snow than the deacons.
Now own and have skied THE 60 DV past two days and firm snow, great grip, one couloir still achieve the extreme angle with confidence. Question, when tuning edge, any idea what edge angle to use? I’ve not checked yet
Hey John! Good question. We haven't tuned ours yet so it hasn't really come up. My guess is a simple 1/2 unless you're feeling something you'd like to change or enhance. We'll look into that in more depth.
@@SkiEssentials FYI I’ve learned from Rossignol, they stated factory settings were ….. side was 2 degrees and based was 1 degree. Perhaps why the great grip among other things
Just demo'd the Forza 60! I'm an intermediate, restarted skiing after a 20 years iatus. I usually ski on blizzard thunderbird sport to and wow, what an upgrade! They were super easy to get used to and and I never carved like that before. I tried the 171cm and I'm 173cm tall and 75 kg. Maybe the 50 cas would be more appropriate for me next year, but dam nice experience. I also tried the 86 basalt right after. It also carv really well, but I think I prefer the shorter radius as I ski on a small Quebec mountain. The turn initiation on the experience still appeared easier though. I'll get a Forza next year for sure!
Hey Ski Essentials, Thanks again for all the great videos. Still looking to add another ski to the quiver that is carving focused. I would say on most days (80% of the year) when its not a high powder day I ski about 60% on trail, 25% trees, and 15% bumps. I like the ability to hit all 3 of these without being punished for 2 out of the 3 if I grab an aggressive carving ski. When I do hit the 60% piste/ontrail I really enjoy carving and seeing how much edge angle I can generate. With that said I'm 5'10 and about 160lbs. Looking at the following ski's as a possible addition to the quiver and wonder if you could provide any suggestions with lengths: Froza 70 o 60 (not sure which is the better fit) Elan Wingman 88 cTI Fisher Ranger 88 2023 Declivity 88c I already have Ripstick 96 black and a Fisher 107 Ti for thicker under foot days. Really looking for something in the
I'd say the Wingman is the best choice on your list if you're looking to keep it around 90 mm underfoot. They're great carvers, and also have the extra width for deeper soft snow and off-trail versatility. If you like the overall character of the Ripstick Black, the Wingman will carry those things into a more on-trail package.
Oh, you just might have found one of my next pair of skis. I ski on Rossignol Hero Multi-turn TI and I love them. How would you say these skis are similar and different to my Hero’s ? Plus, if you don’t mind sharing your Ski:IQ it would give other Carv users reference points. It’s my second season with Carv and I love it. Keep up your amazing reviews.
While less of a race build, the Forza still holds its own for sure. The initiation phase is super clean and easy, and the tail is not nearly as abusive, but is still quite firm. It's not an overpowering ski, and that's one of my favorite things about it. I see a 159 IQ from Carv, but not sure what that means. Also got a 90 degree edge angle, which I'm also kind of skeptical about.
I want to change my > Rossignol HERO All turn 163 cm wich I love for Quebec type of mountains steeped And icy. Is this the right substitute to consider for carving, feeling, stability ? Good job keep on our joy🎉😎
I'd say this is a great replacement for that ski. It's a whole lot of fun, pretty easy to turn, and has great stability especially when locked into the carve.
The Rally is damper and more stable. The Forza is easier to turn and considerably lighter in terms of swing weight. I find the Forza to be a really fun and accessible ski with more versatility while I think the Rally is more at home on the groomers specifically.
Thanks for all the videos guys, they are really informative. I imagine these have taken the place of the Hero Elite Plus Ti. I also would like to hear your thoughts on these skis vs the Hero Elite MT, how are they alike or not. It looks like these skis initiate the turn as quick and easy as the Rossi E86ti. Any thoughts?
The Hero Elite Plus Ti will return--these take the place of the React line in the Rossi catalog. The build is a step down from the Hero class, allowing for a friendlier carving experience. They basically all sit between the Experience and the Hero lines. The Forza is an easy to initiate ski that carves great but without the demanding tail that the Hero skis all have. This makes a pure and clean arc a lot easier and more possible on the Forza.
Just picked up a pair of these Forza 70s over the Deacon 80. I’m 6” 5” 210 and really felt I needed the length of the 181. I think these are replacing the Reacts right? Or maybe slotting between them and the Hero. Headed to Stratton soon on these Forzas and can’t wait!
Yes they are replacing the React 10 in terms of the slot in the catalog, but are different shapes and builds. They're awesome, and I think at your size, the 181 will be great.
Care to offer a comparo of the Forzas to the 2023 Volkl Deacon 76? I'd expect the poplar/beech core and full metal sheets on the Deacons to offer a 'burlier' experience - better precision, more responsive, higher stability at speed. What can you tell me, having been on both?
You are correct--there's considerably more of a race-like feel out of the Deacon 76. It's a very sturdy ski with a pretty demanding nature. The highlight of the Forza is that you can make very clean and round turns, but with a lot less effort. Sure, you miss out on the high end of the performance spectrum, but for most skiers, most of the time, this is an acceptable limitation.
Hey guys what do you think size wise for me? I’m an advanced skier at 6 foot 1, 160 pounds. I grew up racing and currently ski on the 2019 soul 7 172s. They are my all mountain do everything ski. I’m trying to find a carver to add to the collection. I love making quick slalom turns but also enjoy a variety of wider turns as well. I’m trying to find a great carver for those former days that’s not as stiff as my old race skis. Think this would be a good addition? Do you think the 173 would be a nice length? Or too short?
I'm 6/2 225 and I prefer the 173 to the 181. You're taking advantage of the ski's turning ability without losing much in terms of stability. These skis are meant to turn, and it's not about how fast you go straight, it's about how fast you go in a carve.
Interested to hear about the 70 Master with R22 plate. Last ski I owned with a race plate was Fischer Progressor 9+ (SE was about giving those away 10 years ago). Loaned those to a friend never to be returned. ☹
Since it has a race plate, it invariably does not have a demo track, so it's tough to get our hands on them for try. My guess, based on the amazingness of the normal Forza 70, is that this ski with an ash core and a race plate would be incredible.
Fantastic review as always, really interesting. I was thinking about hero elites or masters but maybe should give these a look too. Do you know if Rossi are updating the hero ranges for 2024 beyond a graphic refresh? Hope you will be reviewing them soon if they are. Wish you guys would open a European store!
Forza is easier to turn, especially from an initiation perspective. The Magnum is heavier and more stable than the Forza, so you're getting more power at speed, but the Forza has a better range from low to med/high speeds.
Just adding my two cents. Have the Forza 70 and demoed the 2025 Magnum. My preference is definitely on the Forza! Less weight to swing around and while you can stick to a shape, you don’t need to commit. Absolutely stable and damp. I found the Magnum too damp and just that much less agile to be fun, for me. A much more experienced skier might have a different experience. Good luck!
Really appreciate your input, I have had a pair of Magnums from a few years ago and my son has decide to make them his own, he skis them much better than I do. What you describe is exactly what I'm hoping for, something a little easier to get the next level of performance from 👍🏼
I had wondered why Rossignol had dropped the Hero Elite Plus Ti from their range only find that they have now built a complete new range based on the Plus Ti concept.
I'm sure there's another gear there with the full ash core. I fear it'd take away from what makes the regular 70 so appealing--most skiers can access the entirety of the sidecut and use the ski in a crisply carved turn.
My god!!! Another skis that I want to own now 😂 the last 4 years I had Volkl Racetiger SL, Head magnum supershape, Ross Hero élite plus Ti and Volkl Deacon 80, I love to much skis haha this one sounds very good! I guess I should look for the 173 cuz I’m 6’ and 195? Sorry I think I’ve ask that question 765x the last couple of years 🤪
Ha! Never too many skis! I'm 6/2 225 and really liked the 173. I found the 181 to be fine, but the shorter length really accentuated the ski's desire to turn--kind of felt the 181 just wanted to go straight, and that's not what I wanted this ski to do.
Kauf dir Augemt ski die Geilsten Teile auf dem Markt ,da kannst du dir die Härte des Skis aussuchen geht von 1-10 was für Könner bauen auch die Marcel Hirscher Ski Viel Spass !!!
The Hero skis are one build sturdier than the Forza 70. They're much more race like than the Forza, which fits more into the high-end recreational carver category.
The Supershapes are a more powerful ski. Not terribly demanding but more so than these. The Forza's will be easier to get into a turn but provide less rebound out of it. You can see just by the way the handle in the shop they are not as stiff or powerful. So if you are looking for easy carving Forza's would be better. If you are heavier or more aggressive the Supershapes will offer more for you. The Supershapes would also be more damp and controlled over icy surfaces.
The Forza is friendlier and a bit lower-octane of a ski. The Rally requires more of your attention for sure. For more power and stability at speed, the Head is more like a race ski for sure.
I'd say the Deacon is a bit more versatile, but more in the sense that it's easier to ski off-piste. I actually really like the 70's ability to handle bumps, trees, and softer snow, but you do have to deal with the wider tip. The Deacon is more traditional in terms of shape, so I think more skiers would find it to be more amenable to off-piste situations.
The Forza has more race pedigree to it than the Divus, which is decidedly more all-mountain in nature. If you stick to the groomed trails and are looking to link beautifully round turns all day long, I'd go Forza, but for more versatility and well-rounded nature, the Divus is fantastic.
Really awesome! There's a lot of plastic overlap, so the transfer of energy is quite direct. This makes them pretty difficult to get on and off, but once they're on, the power and grip is all there. They have a pretty minimalistic lace-up liner that puts more emphasis on the shell doing most of the work as opposed to a lot of other high-performance boots that have over-stuffed liners that rely on the density of the foam or cork to get the boot to work. Excellent quality throughout.
I love the Kastle boot! Will certainly do a full review at some point this season. At this point, I'm most impressed with the amount of plastic and how direct the energy transfer is. I also ski a Lange RS 130 MV, and while the Lange has less plastic and more liner, the Kastle has less liner and more plastic.
ice skates.. i remember when shaped skis first came out and it was all about getting that perfect edge.. it hasn't snowed in the last couple days and i could bring out the old race skis and ski groomers but i am still trying to get used to my powder skis so i will probably keep skiing them..
saw them in the shop the other day and thought the same thing. Look like the original carvers that came out. I was skiing in Switzerland at the time and we had the chance to ski the carvers as part of a training program. Usually for an afternoon every so often. Was lots of fun but I found them a bit 1 dementional and always enjoyed coming back to my straight skis. Obviously the more Morpeth skis offer best if both worlds but I wonder how these go. I currently ski Head Super shape rally’s and do like them
The shape of the 60 is more in line with the AX in that the shovel isn't quite as wide and the tail isn't quite as square. The 60 has more all-mountain feels to it than the 70 which is decidedly more of a front-side carver. This lines up better with the AX as well. That said, the quality and precision of the AX is on a different level than the Forza 60.
The tail of the Q, especially in the 9/9.8 is stiffer than that of the Forza 70. I think they both initiate quite well, and carry the carve through the radius, but the end of the turn is more playful in the Forza--that's really the main difference.
The 60 actually shares more shaping properties with the AX, just a bit narrower. The 70 is more squared off while the 60 is rounder, and that lines up a bit more with the AX's footprint. Performance-wise, the AX has more precision, is heavier, and more stable than the Rossignol, but the 60 has a nice mid-range that a lot of skiers will be able to enjoy. The AX does fine in this arena, but is certainly better suited to the feet of more expert-oriented skiers.
Love the carving skis!! I grew up on skis and was freestyle when we were “hot dog skiers”, spent my young years as a ski instructor’s kid in a ski school, then taught EPSIA for 35 years…..carve….absolutely! I never was a racer so my skis on edge was and is always about the creative dance between my ski and the snow. My go to place on trails is the left side edge of the trail, the 8’ alley between the trees and trail middle, so the short carved turn is my specialty. I am shopping this season for a new tech replacement to my 2014 elan 14 fusion amphibio, and my elan SLXrace. Want to go up in length to the 175ish zone.
Love the left side's last groomer pass! I had a great time on the Forza 70 in the 173 this year. In that light, but a bit more power, check out the Blizzard HRC or the Nordica Spitfire 74. These two (three) stuck out to me this past year as excellent carvers with a lot of power and agility.
Is there enough difference between this and the elan wingman 86 CTI to have both these in the quiver 😂 I’m demoing them tomorrow and nervous I’m gonna blow a hole in my wallet for no reason after this review lol
There's 8 mm of difference in waist width, so just by that metric, they're pretty different. That said, the application is very similar. If you have an 8 mm difference, and one is the 86 and the other is something like the Sender 94 Ti, then you're looking at more difference than these two that you're dealing with. I'm not here to talk you out of getting more skis, but it's hard to tell you that there's enough difference. Let the demo do the talking--you may find that the Forza has something different that you're looking for!
The K2's are quite a bit stiffer than Forza, so they aren't quite as friendly. Love the simplicity of the Forza and the accessibility of it, while the K2 requires some more attention.
I have the Forza 70s and the disruption TI2s. The Forzas is so much easier to turn and a lot easier to carve at a slower speed. You will get a lot more turns in with the forzas, but yeah the tips could be a little stiffer at higher speeds. The TI2s really don't come alive until you build a lot of speed and then they feel stable and you can really start to get some lean angle. If you aren't skiing longer fast steep runs go with the Forza.
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I demoed the 70 and 60; amazing skis! So easy to initiate the turn, outstanding stability and no speed limit. Rossignol has a real winner with these new Forza series models.
We felt the same way!
Could you tell the difference between the two?
Jeff, watching you ski the 70 at time index 14:00 - that's a front-side ski I can see every adult east coaster wanting. It looks approachable, it was obviously hero snow, but that's how people want to feel they can ski. Congrats to Rossi for bringing this ski to market - I bet I will see a bunch in the next few years. My 190 WC FIS 35m Fischer GS I had out today was scaring people, and me, as I was locked into carve or die turns - your video looks so much less stressful.
Ha! It's all about taking the stress level down! The initiation is so fun and easy on that ski, and it really holds well throughout. The tail is firm but not abusive, and that's one of the best parts of this ski. Can we make skis like this take hold in the US market? We're certainly hopeful!
Just back from a week in the French alps, rented the 181 for a week. Blew me away on groomers (medium hard to icy snow), hip on the snow carving on rolling blue/red runs was a blast, and easier than expected in tracked out powder. Even got to hit a few giant gates where it felt pretty good. Rossi hit it out of the park!
Agree 1000%--these skis rip.
Blizzard R15 WB... how do they compare to these? Im assuming the Rossi is lighter, as nothing Blizzard makes is light.
The Rossi is lighter. Other than their touring skis, Blizzard does specialize in some pretty stout skis. The R15 is more metallic feeling--that's one of the most amazing parts of the Forza, it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of metal in it, but there is! The sound of the Blizzard is more confidence-inspiring, and there's more power coming out of the tail, but for the majority of skiers, the Forza will have a better performance range.
Sounds great! How would it compare to a thunderbird R15 WB which also targets a fun carving?
curious about this too
Also curious about this and also compared to the Firebird SRC and HRC.
I skied them both the same day and was surprised at how much I liked the Forza in comparison, especially after how much I lied the R15 last year. The Rossignol is far quieter of a ski--damp, smooth, and stable. The Blizzard felt more jittery than I remembered, but also still has more power than the Rossi. Since I don't think I need all that power to make the same type of turn, I'm leaning to the Rossignol for my front side affairs.
Compared to the HRC/SRC, neither the R15 nor the Forza can compare to the top-end performance and stability. The question is if you need that level of performance most/all of the time or if a ski like the Forza is a better choice for a broader scope for you as a skier.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the comment! Probably my next ski then!
Looks like a winner from the footage of you guys carving. The best carving i have seen you two do. 👍 i always like Rossignol ski but never buy them 🤔 the last Rossignol i owned was the first year sl slant nose that was so awesome. This one might have a chance with me. I will try to demo one at the test later this March. What size do you recommend ?
If you're in the middle, go shorter. I'm 6/2 225 and I had more success and fun on the 173 versus the 181, which was very surprising to me, but I'm not going to fight it!
Hi guys, thank you very much for this great video. It is very informative, detailed and helped me make my choice. So I expressed my wish about two weeks ago and lo and behold, yesterday my new Forza 70 V-ti Konect was under the Christmas tree. The only two things I'm not sure about: 1) Do I need the V-ti Konect or is the Master or even the basic version sufficient?
2) What length? You say you were extremely happy with the 173cm and say they were even more fun than the 181cm. How tall are you?
I'm 196cm tall, 43 years old and a pretty good skier (I'm Austrian ;) ). I'm currently riding a Fischer RC4 giant slalom ski in 185cm. But as you get older, your strength dwindles, so although the RC4 is fun, I would like something more easy to turn, something for a little off-piste riding that I can keep going all day long.
Thank you very much for your advice!
Awesome!
The Master is the full Ash core with a race plate on it, so it's got some more stability and power for sure, but we were pretty darn impressed with the V-Ti Konnect, which is the "normal" version. I'm 190cm and loved the 173--it seemed to be the right length for me for what this ski wanted to do. Normally I'm a 180 skier and above, but I just didn't get the same vibes from the longer length. It seems short, I know, but I can't deny the positive experience I had on it.
How would you say these compare to the higher end React 8 CAM and React 10 TI Skis? Also curious what Ski IQ scores you guys are pulling in CARV?
The 70 is basically a refurbished React 10Ti with a slightly different shape, but pretty similar overall. The 60 is more like the React 8. I like the sophistication and quiet nature of the new Forza, as it feels like a more complete ski overall. As for Carv, we've had some fun, but it's been hard to pull consistent data as we're doing a lot of different things other than just carving. The highest IQ I've gotten is a 159 (no idea if that's good or not) and the highest edge angle I've seen is 90 degrees, which I'm kind of skeptical about.
Thanks for this response, and I love how you guys respond to most every comment!
Glad to hear these are the spiritual successors to the Reacts, I'm skiing an R8 Ti from a few years ago which doesn't give up much on the R10.
They're such an easy pair to ski, I call them my "ballet shoes" - something about the ease of which they turn in and especially the low swing weight.
They are so eager to carve and gave me the confidence to drop my hips and take my carving to the next level! The tails are great to fire you out of the turn also.
I don't see many Reacts in Europe at all, maybe these will take off a bit more as a high-level recreational ski designed to easily give a good time without all the "RACE" BS!
Thanks so much for this very informative review! I loved seeing the video of you both carving great turns on these. How you would compare the Forza 70 to the Stockli Montero AS? I'm an advanced skier who likes making quick turns on the side of the trail, as well as medium radius carved turns at medium speeds. I tried the Montero AR and loved their smoothness, but would like something with more quickness and energy. Mostly ski on groomers. Thanks!
The AS will deliver what you're looking for, especially if you liked the AR. That said, the Forza 70 is a very fun and capable ski that loves to be used in a carved turn. It's wider in the shovels and the tails, so it does have a different feel in both the initiation phase as well as the exit. It's more engaging at the ends of the ski, but it isn't nearly as agile from tip to tail as the AS. I do think there's a surprising amount of versatility with the Forza, as I really enjoyed it in softer snow and some slight crud and chop. I can't quite say the same thing about the AS as it's narrower and slightly softer overall.
When you going to do your review on the carv ski coach.?
Yes!
Just my 2c but I've been enjoying it. Being able to use data to determine flaws in my technique has allowed me to progress very quickly this year. It's not cheap, and is borderline useless off of the groomers, but very useful in decent-ideal conditions.
Agree with this ^^
We've found that on-trail and in a carved turn, the device really likes our skiing, but off-piste, bumps, crud, and other zones, Carv does not seem to get good data. We expected that, and you just have to learn to decipher between useful and not on the app. We also spend half of our ski day filming each other, so it doesn't like those turns either.
Jeff and Bob. You guys were crushing it on those Forza skis. I don't think I have seen you guys carving this well on any skis. These might give the Atomic Q9 and 9.8 a run for favorite carving skis.
I would put the 9.8 a level above these in the needing more input from the driver then the forza'a. They both do great job of being glued to the snow, and railing turns I agree looked like some of Bob's best turns, now if he could reduce the amount of lead change between skis, but he is a big guy too.
I think the 9.8 carves like a best. If the Forza carves as well and requires less input, I’m on rossignols site tonight. Btw. If you guys need a sponsor for your WC debut , I’ll donate. You guys rip on these skis. I’ll personally, write Rossignol and demand royalties for both of you.
Carves like a beast. I hate auto correct
I doubt there are many reviews of this ski online yet. But they are great I’ve skied both forza and 9.8 in last two weeks. I have deacon 84 that I love but these skis take those to a whole new level. Deacon still a little more versatile in that can vary turn shape and play with them a little more. Forza just goes great from edge to edge. And both of these skis seem more glued to the snow than the deacons.
Thank you all for the feedback!
Bob skied those 70’s real good, nice transitions. These skies look so smooth to use
The entry of each turn is a whole lot of fun on that ski! Doesn't yank you in or out, rather responds very directly to what you're doing for it.
Now own and have skied THE 60 DV past two days and firm snow, great grip, one couloir still achieve the extreme angle with confidence. Question, when tuning edge, any idea what edge angle to use? I’ve not checked yet
Hey John! Good question. We haven't tuned ours yet so it hasn't really come up. My guess is a simple 1/2 unless you're feeling something you'd like to change or enhance. We'll look into that in more depth.
@@SkiEssentials FYI I’ve learned from Rossignol, they stated factory settings were ….. side was 2 degrees and based was 1 degree. Perhaps why the great grip among other things
Just demo'd the Forza 60! I'm an intermediate, restarted skiing after a 20 years iatus. I usually ski on blizzard thunderbird sport to and wow, what an upgrade! They were super easy to get used to and and I never carved like that before. I tried the 171cm and I'm 173cm tall and 75 kg. Maybe the 50 cas would be more appropriate for me next year, but dam nice experience. I also tried the 86 basalt right after. It also carv really well, but I think I prefer the shorter radius as I ski on a small Quebec mountain. The turn initiation on the experience still appeared easier though. I'll get a Forza next year for sure!
Great feedback, thanks for sharing! We loved that ease of carving capability out of both the 70 and the 60 for sure!
Hey Ski Essentials, Thanks again for all the great videos. Still looking to add another ski to the quiver that is carving focused. I would say on most days (80% of the year) when its not a high powder day I ski about 60% on trail, 25% trees, and 15% bumps. I like the ability to hit all 3 of these without being punished for 2 out of the 3 if I grab an aggressive carving ski. When I do hit the 60% piste/ontrail I really enjoy carving and seeing how much edge angle I can generate. With that said I'm 5'10 and about 160lbs. Looking at the following ski's as a possible addition to the quiver and wonder if you could provide any suggestions with lengths:
Froza 70 o 60 (not sure which is the better fit)
Elan Wingman 88 cTI
Fisher Ranger 88 2023
Declivity 88c
I already have Ripstick 96 black and a Fisher 107 Ti for thicker under foot days. Really looking for something in the
I'd say the Wingman is the best choice on your list if you're looking to keep it around 90 mm underfoot. They're great carvers, and also have the extra width for deeper soft snow and off-trail versatility. If you like the overall character of the Ripstick Black, the Wingman will carry those things into a more on-trail package.
Oh, you just might have found one of my next pair of skis.
I ski on Rossignol Hero Multi-turn TI and I love them. How would you say these skis are similar and different to my Hero’s ?
Plus, if you don’t mind sharing your Ski:IQ it would give other Carv users reference points. It’s my second season with Carv and I love it.
Keep up your amazing reviews.
While less of a race build, the Forza still holds its own for sure. The initiation phase is super clean and easy, and the tail is not nearly as abusive, but is still quite firm. It's not an overpowering ski, and that's one of my favorite things about it. I see a 159 IQ from Carv, but not sure what that means. Also got a 90 degree edge angle, which I'm also kind of skeptical about.
I want to change my > Rossignol HERO All turn 163 cm wich I love for Quebec type of mountains steeped
And icy.
Is this the right substitute to consider for carving, feeling, stability ?
Good job keep on our joy🎉😎
I'd say this is a great replacement for that ski. It's a whole lot of fun, pretty easy to turn, and has great stability especially when locked into the carve.
I demo the E-Rally this past weekend and they were so stable, zero vibration. How would you compare these to the E-Rally in terms of dampening
The Rally is damper and more stable. The Forza is easier to turn and considerably lighter in terms of swing weight. I find the Forza to be a really fun and accessible ski with more versatility while I think the Rally is more at home on the groomers specifically.
Thanks for all the videos guys, they are really informative. I imagine these have taken the place of the Hero Elite Plus Ti. I also would like to hear your thoughts on these skis vs the Hero Elite MT, how are they alike or not. It looks like these skis initiate the turn as quick and easy as the Rossi E86ti. Any thoughts?
The Hero Elite Plus Ti will return--these take the place of the React line in the Rossi catalog. The build is a step down from the Hero class, allowing for a friendlier carving experience. They basically all sit between the Experience and the Hero lines. The Forza is an easy to initiate ski that carves great but without the demanding tail that the Hero skis all have. This makes a pure and clean arc a lot easier and more possible on the Forza.
Just picked up a pair of these Forza 70s over the Deacon 80. I’m 6” 5” 210 and really felt I needed the length of the 181. I think these are replacing the Reacts right? Or maybe slotting between them and the Hero. Headed to Stratton soon on these Forzas and can’t wait!
Yes they are replacing the React 10 in terms of the slot in the catalog, but are different shapes and builds. They're awesome, and I think at your size, the 181 will be great.
Care to offer a comparo of the Forzas to the 2023 Volkl Deacon 76? I'd expect the poplar/beech core and full metal sheets on the Deacons to offer a 'burlier' experience - better precision, more responsive, higher stability at speed. What can you tell me, having been on both?
You are correct--there's considerably more of a race-like feel out of the Deacon 76. It's a very sturdy ski with a pretty demanding nature. The highlight of the Forza is that you can make very clean and round turns, but with a lot less effort. Sure, you miss out on the high end of the performance spectrum, but for most skiers, most of the time, this is an acceptable limitation.
Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Hey guys what do you think size wise for me? I’m an advanced skier at 6 foot 1, 160 pounds. I grew up racing and currently ski on the 2019 soul 7 172s. They are my all mountain do everything ski. I’m trying to find a carver to add to the collection. I love making quick slalom turns but also enjoy a variety of wider turns as well. I’m trying to find a great carver for those former days that’s not as stiff as my old race skis. Think this would be a good addition? Do you think the 173 would be a nice length? Or too short?
I'm 6/2 225 and I prefer the 173 to the 181. You're taking advantage of the ski's turning ability without losing much in terms of stability. These skis are meant to turn, and it's not about how fast you go straight, it's about how fast you go in a carve.
Interested to hear about the 70 Master with R22 plate. Last ski I owned with a race plate was Fischer Progressor 9+ (SE was about giving those away 10 years ago). Loaned those to a friend never to be returned. ☹
Since it has a race plate, it invariably does not have a demo track, so it's tough to get our hands on them for try. My guess, based on the amazingness of the normal Forza 70, is that this ski with an ash core and a race plate would be incredible.
Hell yeah... I'm waiting for this video. Thumbs up unseen
They're a whole lot of fun!
Can't wait to try them! 100% Totally!!
Nice! They're a total blast!
Fantastic review as always, really interesting. I was thinking about hero elites or masters but maybe should give these a look too. Do you know if Rossi are updating the hero ranges for 2024 beyond a graphic refresh? Hope you will be reviewing them soon if they are. Wish you guys would open a European store!
We ship internationally!
Hero changes to LT, MT, and ST, with the MT having Carbon Alloy Matrix while LT and ST use metal.
Thanks for the continued great content on the channel! 👏🏼. How do these Forza 70s compare to something like a HEAD MAGNUM?
Forza is easier to turn, especially from an initiation perspective. The Magnum is heavier and more stable than the Forza, so you're getting more power at speed, but the Forza has a better range from low to med/high speeds.
Just adding my two cents. Have the Forza 70 and demoed the 2025 Magnum. My preference is definitely on the Forza! Less weight to swing around and while you can stick to a shape, you don’t need to commit. Absolutely stable and damp. I found the Magnum too damp and just that much less agile to be fun, for me. A much more experienced skier might have a different experience. Good luck!
Really appreciate your input, I have had a pair of Magnums from a few years ago and my son has decide to make them his own, he skis them much better than I do. What you describe is exactly what I'm hoping for, something a little easier to get the next level of performance from 👍🏼
I had wondered why Rossignol had dropped the Hero Elite Plus Ti from their range only find that they have now built a complete new range based on the Plus Ti concept.
They are keeping Hero Elite for 2024. The Forza line is more of a replacement to React.
Did you guys ever try the Forza 70 master? I would assume it’s amazing
I'm sure there's another gear there with the full ash core. I fear it'd take away from what makes the regular 70 so appealing--most skiers can access the entirety of the sidecut and use the ski in a crisply carved turn.
My god!!! Another skis that I want to own now 😂 the last 4 years I had Volkl Racetiger SL, Head magnum supershape, Ross Hero élite plus Ti and Volkl Deacon 80, I love to much skis haha this one sounds very good! I guess I should look for the 173 cuz I’m 6’ and 195? Sorry I think I’ve ask that question 765x the last couple of years 🤪
Ha! Never too many skis! I'm 6/2 225 and really liked the 173. I found the 181 to be fine, but the shorter length really accentuated the ski's desire to turn--kind of felt the 181 just wanted to go straight, and that's not what I wanted this ski to do.
Kauf dir Augemt ski die Geilsten Teile auf dem Markt ,da kannst du dir die Härte des Skis aussuchen geht von 1-10 was für Könner bauen auch die Marcel Hirscher Ski Viel Spass !!!
So how do these compare to the Hero Elite Plus TI? Shape seems similar. Is this an update or an upgrade in terms of construction and performance?
The Hero skis are one build sturdier than the Forza 70. They're much more race like than the Forza, which fits more into the high-end recreational carver category.
Is your review based on out-of-the-box skis or did you do base and/or side edge tuning? Thank you.
Pretty much all of our demos are out of the box.
Forza 70 V-ti 173 ordered 🤘
Nice! Great ski (and length!).
How would you compare them with the Supershapes? Especially the Rally, with the protector binding.
The Supershapes are a more powerful ski. Not terribly demanding but more so than these. The Forza's will be easier to get into a turn but provide less rebound out of it. You can see just by the way the handle in the shop they are not as stiff or powerful. So if you are looking for easy carving Forza's would be better. If you are heavier or more aggressive the Supershapes will offer more for you. The Supershapes would also be more damp and controlled over icy surfaces.
The Forza is friendlier and a bit lower-octane of a ski. The Rally requires more of your attention for sure. For more power and stability at speed, the Head is more like a race ski for sure.
6’0 180lbs. Which length do you prefer in the Forza 70?
Probably the 173.
Which would be more versatile off-piste between the 70 and the deacon 80?
I'd say the Deacon is a bit more versatile, but more in the sense that it's easier to ski off-piste. I actually really like the 70's ability to handle bumps, trees, and softer snow, but you do have to deal with the wider tip. The Deacon is more traditional in terms of shape, so I think more skiers would find it to be more amenable to off-piste situations.
How does this compare to a Black Crow Divus?
Thanks for all the great videos!
The Forza has more race pedigree to it than the Divus, which is decidedly more all-mountain in nature. If you stick to the groomed trails and are looking to link beautifully round turns all day long, I'd go Forza, but for more versatility and well-rounded nature, the Divus is fantastic.
Looking good in those Kastle boots too Bob! How are they?
Really awesome! There's a lot of plastic overlap, so the transfer of energy is quite direct. This makes them pretty difficult to get on and off, but once they're on, the power and grip is all there. They have a pretty minimalistic lace-up liner that puts more emphasis on the shell doing most of the work as opposed to a lot of other high-performance boots that have over-stuffed liners that rely on the density of the foam or cork to get the boot to work. Excellent quality throughout.
Which runs are you skiing at Stowe in this test of the Forza 70?
All over, really. Perry Merrill, Tyro, Standard, and I'm sure some others. Nothing crazy steep.
Hi i ve rossi hero st ti ltd edition 1.67 , forza 70 1.73 is better for me for comfort ski ? i am 1.85 and 90 kg ??
I'm 188 and love the 173 in the Forza 70. No need to go longer here.
How do you like the Kastle boot?
Still waiting on the kastle boot review.....
I love the Kastle boot! Will certainly do a full review at some point this season. At this point, I'm most impressed with the amount of plastic and how direct the energy transfer is. I also ski a Lange RS 130 MV, and while the Lange has less plastic and more liner, the Kastle has less liner and more plastic.
Would you say these are in a similar category to the montero or MX?
I'd say MX--the Montero feels more like an all-mountain ski to us.
i can see already that the radius goes all the way from the tip to tail..
ice skates.. i remember when shaped skis first came out and it was all about getting that perfect edge.. it hasn't snowed in the last couple days and i could bring out the old race skis and ski groomers but i am still trying to get used to my powder skis so i will probably keep skiing them..
saw them in the shop the other day and thought the same thing. Look like the original carvers that came out. I was skiing in Switzerland at the time and we had the chance to ski the carvers as part of a training program. Usually for an afternoon every so often. Was lots of fun but I found them a bit 1 dementional and always enjoyed coming back to my straight skis. Obviously the more Morpeth skis offer best if both worlds but I wonder how these go. I currently ski Head Super shape rally’s and do like them
Are there any other skis that are similar to the Forza 70 that i should consider?
Check out the Head Supershape e.Rally, Nordica Spitfire 80, and the Volkl Deacon 80. Great energy in all of these skis!
@@SkiEssentials thanks will check these out!
How would you compare the 70 and 60 to a Montero AX?
The shape of the 60 is more in line with the AX in that the shovel isn't quite as wide and the tail isn't quite as square. The 60 has more all-mountain feels to it than the 70 which is decidedly more of a front-side carver. This lines up better with the AX as well. That said, the quality and precision of the AX is on a different level than the Forza 60.
Where do you guys do your testing i'm curious ?
Mostly in Stowe, VT, although some of this footage was in Pico, VT. On occasion, we'll travel to other spots in the US, but our home base is in Stowe.
Might have missed it but what size 70 did you guys ski?
Mainly the 173 although tried the 181. Normally that is the length I'd want, but had such a great time on the 173 that it's hard to go back.
Great video thanks. I’m going for the 70, I’m 6 foot, 180 lb, love carving. Currently ski Exp 88 and Sender ti in 180. Ok to go to 173 in the Forza?
Will the 171 Rossi 60 be too short for a 190lbs 6'1 dude?
I skied that length at 6/2 225 and found it to be on the short side.
How do you compare them to the Atomic Q-line?
These ski easier than the q9.8 I think you could put a larger range of abilities on this ski than the q9.8.
The tail of the Q, especially in the 9/9.8 is stiffer than that of the Forza 70. I think they both initiate quite well, and carry the carve through the radius, but the end of the turn is more playful in the Forza--that's really the main difference.
How do you compare the 70 to the AX?
The 60 actually shares more shaping properties with the AX, just a bit narrower. The 70 is more squared off while the 60 is rounder, and that lines up a bit more with the AX's footprint. Performance-wise, the AX has more precision, is heavier, and more stable than the Rossignol, but the 60 has a nice mid-range that a lot of skiers will be able to enjoy. The AX does fine in this arena, but is certainly better suited to the feet of more expert-oriented skiers.
I am 179 cm tall, which would be more suitable 163 cm or 173 cm
I'd go 173--that ski works great in that length.
Love the carving skis!! I grew up on skis and was freestyle when we were “hot dog skiers”, spent my young years as a ski instructor’s kid in a ski school, then taught EPSIA for 35 years…..carve….absolutely! I never was a racer so my skis on edge was and is always about the creative dance between my ski and the snow. My go to place on trails is the left side edge of the trail, the 8’ alley between the trees and trail middle, so the short carved turn is my specialty.
I am shopping this season for a new tech replacement to my 2014 elan 14 fusion amphibio, and my elan SLXrace. Want to go up in length to the 175ish zone.
Love the left side's last groomer pass! I had a great time on the Forza 70 in the 173 this year. In that light, but a bit more power, check out the Blizzard HRC or the Nordica Spitfire 74. These two (three) stuck out to me this past year as excellent carvers with a lot of power and agility.
Were those new Flylow threads lol ??
Good eye!
I was about to ask the same thing. Looks like a Baker bib and Jacket that I couldn't tell what it was.
Anyone tried the 163?
Not yet, but I bet it'd be very turny!
Is there enough difference between this and the elan wingman 86 CTI to have both these in the quiver 😂 I’m demoing them tomorrow and nervous I’m gonna blow a hole in my wallet for no reason after this review lol
There's 8 mm of difference in waist width, so just by that metric, they're pretty different. That said, the application is very similar. If you have an 8 mm difference, and one is the 86 and the other is something like the Sender 94 Ti, then you're looking at more difference than these two that you're dealing with. I'm not here to talk you out of getting more skis, but it's hard to tell you that there's enough difference. Let the demo do the talking--you may find that the Forza has something different that you're looking for!
How would these compare to the K2 Disruption series?
The K2's are quite a bit stiffer than Forza, so they aren't quite as friendly. Love the simplicity of the Forza and the accessibility of it, while the K2 requires some more attention.
I have the Forza 70s and the disruption TI2s. The Forzas is so much easier to turn and a lot easier to carve at a slower speed. You will get a lot more turns in with the forzas, but yeah the tips could be a little stiffer at higher speeds. The TI2s really don't come alive until you build a lot of speed and then they feel stable and you can really start to get some lean angle. If you aren't skiing longer fast steep runs go with the Forza.
Forza means strength in Italian, what are the French doing using that word. Your pronunciation needs some work.
They have no hope as English speaking N. Americans can’t pronounce ‘Rossignol’ either 😝 great skis, enjoyed the video as always.
I think it's okay to share words between languages!
I am sure you realized that my tongue was firmly implanted in my cheek. Seriously how does the ski compare to the Stockli Laser/Montero AX?
Oh Forza is this great!⛷❄️
We're trying our best to highlight these amazing on-trail skis, and this is one of the more interesting ones for sure!