Three rings for the Elven kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone, Nine for mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne... And one for the Ranger, who was banished from death.
It’s ridiculously underrated. Funny how a new COD is released pretty much every year and it’s the same crap everyone goes crazy. This game deserved more attention
It’s underrated but it also released in a really stacked year. Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Divinity 2, Persona 5, Horizon Zero Dawn, Sonic Mania, and Nioh came out that year. 2017 was a fucking legendary year for games
Lets talk about the lore: 1. History of Minas Morgul. The city at 0:11 looks like Minas Ithil. Gondor built this tower and white marble city to defend against Mordor in the 2nd Age. This is where the White Tree and a Palantíri were originally kept. Sauron captured the city, but was later defeated in the War of the Last Alliance (when he lost the One Ring). Gondor returned to the city to watch over Mordor (0:18). In the 3rd Age, the Witch-king of Angmar and his Nazgul attacked Minas Ithil (1:39). This time they took over for good, and transformed the tower into what because known as Minas Morgul (1:44). The seemed to have gotten the lore down really good on this point! 2. A new ring of power. This is found in no lore whatsoever. However, if anyone could make a new ring, it would be Celebrimbor. 3. As for all of the comments about the black guy (0:15 and 1:35), yes, they do seem to being doing this because they want to be politically correct. However, perhaps they origin of the character is from far south around Harad where Tolkien describes the people as being of dark colored skin. 4. The Balrog at 1:18 looks awesome! The only Balrog we know of that survived until the 3rd Age is Durin's Bane (the one Gandalf fights). However, it is possible that other Balrogs escaped the War of Wrath and remained hidden (as Durin's Bane did).
The transformation of minas ithil into minas morgul only makes sense as a flashback, as it takes place in the year TA 2002 i believe, and the first game takes place after the hobbit which around the year TA 3000, so either it's a flashback, or the timeline is messed up, or maybe the city is not minas ithil at all.
I bought the Shadow Bundle which has most DLC's for both games on PS5 and even though it's 1080p 30 i'm still enjoying it. Too bad they developed wonder woman. This character isn't much popular. I wanted some other new IP not superhero one. I guess we'll see how it will turn out.
I wish another middle earth game happened where talion becomes a spirit and bond to a teenager from the same death his family went through like talion and they meet a different wraith who will help him avenge the boys family and stop the war
@@MikeTheGreek also a new game company made by shadow of war developers is making a WW2 black panther game with Hydra as main villain and a 19 year old captain America as playable character along with Azzuri T'challa grandfather.
Manzari if you pay attention to the armour , the "servant armour is the black hands armour & when youve upgraded you get the blades on the arms ......go back & look at the black hands armour from Shadow Of Mordor & you'll see what I'm saying
If you get the true ending then it tells you tailon becomes a Nazgul and when Frodo destroys the ring it leads to all the Nazgul dying and we get a scene that shows talion at peace and finally going to an afterlife
@@aliquidgaming1068 Yeah. And the DLC Blade of Galadriel leaves the path clear for a new game. In the end it's stated that with the destruction of the one ring Celebimbor escaped, but he's now bound to the new ring that he created, wich is in possession of Eltariel
Who gives a fuck if it's not lore friendly? The first one wasn't either. It's just a fun spinoff from the original story that isn't trying to be a part of it. Just sit back and enjoy it. As someone who has been reading Tokein's work since I was in elementary school, I could pick out a thousand things in just this 2 minute trailer that derive from the original story. But this isn't trying to pass itself off as canon in any way. If the gameplay is as good as the first one, that's all that matters.
always pisses me off when people go so crazy they complain and cry about this game not being lore friendly, ITS NOT MADE TO BE LORE FRIENDLY, never has it tried or stated that its lore friendly, it is its own story that uses lotr as a platform for its world.
Totally agree but its sad to see them cave to 'all inclusiveness' with a and black and female Ranger - which totally flies in the face of LOTR and middle-earth
The point is that why milk the LOTR franchise? Why? It's disrepsectful to Tolkien. Some things are meant to not be altered with. Like would you like a Batman game where the Joker is Bruce Wayne and Batman is Harvey Dent? It's retarded! It's stupid and unessecary. People who support this kind of money milking cash grab are retarded and should educate themselves about the term "Original Author". Or kill themselves.
Okay, guys. So, there have been a lot of comments on lore... and how it's wrong... and yet, it's also right. First off, let's remember that this game is NON-CANON. While the Game Developers feel it would be better to align itself and keep mostly true to the movies, the game itself is still non-canon. Now, into the lore Point 1: The Whole Plot. Obviously and of course, yeah, there's nothing in the lore about the Bright Lord of Mordor, a new Ring of Power and stuff, but it's a game - and it looks like an amazing game. I'm not going to treat it as canon, and therefore any lore inconsistencies, as the game isn't canon - do they really matter? I am a huge Tolkien nerd and this game looks great despite that, but let's take a look at lore 'inconsistencies.' This also includes the plot of the first game, and even the cinematics with Celembrimbor flashbacks have a few errors - for example, the first 16 Rings of Power were forged by Elven smiths + Annatar for the Elves (these were later captured by Sauron and distributes to men and dwarves). Only three of them were forged personally by Celebrimbor, being Vilya, Nenya, and Narya, which were untouched by Sauron. Celebrimbor had no part in creating the One Ring, and was killed by Sauron at the city of Ost-in-edhil, which was ransacked in the Second Age and Celebrimbor was killed. Fact: Ost-in-edhil was actually around when the Elves and the Dwarves were chill, and Celebrimbor was the character who created Durin's Door, the gate of Moria which Gandalf said Mellon too in the first movie. Point 2: The Black Guy. Apparently, this guy has been really controversial. I don't know why. During the Second Age, Gondor had a significant foothold in the South, throughout what is known as 'Southern Gondor' and Umbar, which are desert regions close to the land of Harad, where you would more likely find black people in Middle Earth. It's entirely possible that a Gondorian family living here could be black and they could move northwards long ago, and they would exist. Doubtless, there are probably racists in Gondor (Denethor, I'm looking at you) but still. Moreover, we can note that Gondor did lose most of this territory prior to the War of the Ring (with Umbar falling to the Black Numenoreans and becoming the headquarters of the Corsairs, and Southern Gondor falling significantly later in the third age). It's entirely possible there would be a black guy living in Gondor. Perhaps more improbable is the woman who is dressed in a similar uniform, as females in Middle Earth were not allowed in the army, but she may not be a soldier - or, she may be good enough to join anyway (I'm not sure, but it makes sense, given Gondor would be desperate, that if she was a really good soldier they'd let her in). Point 3: Sauron's Physical Body. Tolkien himself confirmed in his books with some of Gollum's dialogue that Sauron, at the time of the War of the Ring, had a physical body. While this may not be so true in the movies, Sauron did have a body - Gollum said that he had a 'four fingered black hand' (if I am remembering my words correctly). Sauron simply never left Barad-Dur out of paranoia. His 'All-Seeing Eye' in the books wasn't actually an Eye on top of the tower, instead, it was most likely the Palantir he had taken from Minas Ithil when he conquered the city and made it into Minas Morgul. He also confirmed that Sauron did indeed have physical form in his notes. Point 4: The Balrog. There were certainly other Balrogs, and in the books its stated that Sauron probably didn't know of the existence of these and the Balrogs were essentially entities with a power level almost that of Sauron (pre-One Ring). The Balrogs answered to Morgoth, the First Dark Lord, however, not Sauron. But, given that Sauron had earlier convinced the Numenoreans to worship Morgoth (not himself) and was almost certainly attempting to free his master, I think any surviving Balrogs once they had emerged from hiding would have worked with (not under, but with) Sauron. Point 5: The Fell Beasts. This point is a little more hazy, so I may be wrong on this, but I believe the Fell Beasts were only finally finished being bred after the Fellowship entered Moria. In the books, the first Fell Beast ridden by a Nazgul (presumably Khamul) was shot down near the Falls of Rauros by Legolas, while the Uruk Hai were searching for them. So, the fact that there were Fell Beasts prior to this (at least book wise) is incorrect. Point 6: Those Teeth Guys. What the hell is with those tooth-faced guys? They look like wights or wraiths, which certainly existed (such as the wights in the Barrow-downs). Point 7: The Ring's Inscription. Freezing the frame at 0:35, I can see, judging by what it says in the Black Tongue, it's reading out the precise same phrase as the One Ring of Power had. None of the other rings had this, and it doesn't fit to have it on the new ring, but it looks awesome none the less. Point 8: Thanks for reading! Holy crumbs, you got through this whole comment. All in all, the people at Shadow of War made a great game (this is the important bit - the game looks awesome) but also kept it within (kinda) logical lore boundaries for us true Tolkien nerds. I mean, the plot is absurd and ridiculous but the game is awesome and intense. To be honest, having seen the gameplay trailer, the fact that there are dragons when Smaug was confirmed to be the last great dragon (and considering Dragon fire was capable of melting Rings of Power (save the One Ring), the fact that there is a dragon is woah) - and that dragon looks pretty impressive.
Passose Uhm...don't know what the switch has to do with anything but I will be playing this on my new ryzen gtx 1070 build and it'll be awesome like the first game.
chill guys, taste is subjective. wouldn't it be better to have to have, let's say a big Mac and a chicken big Mac, and not agree which one are best, than only having 3 pieces of bread with nothing in between? well if nothing else you can put your egos in it... pointless fucking argument
I mean, there's Sauron, Nazgul, a Balrog, an enormous army of Orcs, Fellbeasts, a new ring of power , an all out war, yet half of the comments are about a characters skin colour. Fuck this planet!
Ross Mole Cant see your point. Middle Earth is based on fiction created by Tolkien. If there were ONLY white Gondor soldiers in his books, then that is how it is. Has nothing to do with racism.
There also never was a second ring of power, and a Balrog would never work for Sauron. (Not to mention wasn't Durin's Bane the last Balrog?) Shadow of Mordor, while kind of true to the lore, raped it pretty hard with the DLC. This is nothing new, but we gotta complain about the black guy? If they made Talion black I'd get your point but honestly this seems like an overreaction. And this is coming from a passionate anti-SJW who will not be forking over any cash to Bioware, because they hired an actual anti-white racist.
Everything other than the black Gondorian is consistent within this world, even the new ring of power, seeing as how Celebrimbor co-crafted all of the previous ones save the One Ring.
@Darryl Balrogs served Morgoth and Sauron was one of Morgoth's main 3 lieutenants, so Balrogs therefore served Sauron before. Agreed on that Bioware piece of shit though.
hi im moxygen who cares about skin color almost all content doesn't stick to the original black and white anymore! It's a color ! This game looks so amazing regardless the color of the people
What the fuck, people? This game has the most non-lore LOTR stuff in probably any media ever, and you think it breaks the lore because of a black guy? There are random Balrogs in Mordor, Nazghuls that fly around like ghosts, a gondorian Ranger that has been killed by a few fictional Commanders of Sauron that were never mentioned in the lore (yeah there were black Numenorians but nobody ever said something about the Black Hand or something), said gondorian Ranger is brought back to life because his body and soul comes together with that of an ancient wraith, who is in fact the restless spirit of a ringmaker that wants to destroy Sauron, together they can mind control orcs, caragors and graugs and whatnot, and they travel together to Mount Doom to forge a new ring of power that is as powerful as the one ring of Sauron. And all of this lore unfriendly material is where the new game will start. And you think a black guy in gondor is not compatible to the lore? Just look at the first game. And all of that should be irrelevant anyway because it doesn't matter because the first game was fucking awesome even though it had almost nothing to do with lotr lore, and I still loved it. So if your complain is that the developers ruin the lore by putting a black guy in there you either have no idea of the lore itself or you might wanna think about why you are so upset that there is a black person in a game to begin with. Anyway, the trailer looks fucking awesome. I'm going to love this game, considering how awesome the first part was.
ikr ! the first was great! this one must be even better, cuz they will fix everything that people complained about, like the ending... and the part with getting all the generals down before getting to the end.
If anyone wants to know what music was used in trailer, here the list: Begining part:audiomachine - Attack on the Winter Wall Middle part:audiomachine - Ten Thousand Slain Ending:audiomachine - Crossing Destiny
Honestly i'd like a game that was JUST the Nemesis system. No one played it for it's plot. Just focus on making the system better instead of some story no one cares about.
1:35 Uhhh no offence but JRR Tolkien's men of Westernesse were all Anglo Saxon Europeans. I get that the company wants to be ultra PC about this for profits, but unless that guy is fighting with the Haradrim alongside orcs he isn't a good guy as according to the source material. Tolkien was very specific about how groups of people looked, and watching people murder the source material for profits makes me die a little on the inside. Imagine seeing Jackie Chan play the role of Kunta Kinte. That's what this is like.
you're complaining about that but you're not complaining about the 2nd ring? the balrog? the flying nazgul that almost look like fucking death eaters from harry potter? go fuck off
Nazgul Supposedly this is supposed to be from an "alternate universe" where Sauron the Maia has the same power as Melkor/Morgoth the Ainur. I can suspend my disbelief with that when it comes to that, sure, because they are just reusing characters from the series. But there were never any black men of Westernesse, the book was racialist on purpose. Orcs were meant to be "asiatic", then the Horadrim were black/Arab. I know that's controversial as fuck these days but at least try to reuse characters right.
Nazgul I mean they at least could've had an alliance with Haradrim and good orcs. After the fall of Sauron the orcs chilled out and were given some land to farm so they could have "good orcs" as well, so if they are just going to recycle people and things from completely different point in the Lotr timeline why not have that? Didn't see that either, so it's not being inclusive enough I guess.
that was bullshit too. Just let cultures stay distinct and preserved and Europe can promote their gothic architecture, renascence art, and internet and Nothern Africa can promote the pyramids, Libyan trade cities and early advanced irrigation techniques.
In this trailer we have orc armies a new ring, Sauron himself, The Witch King of Angmar, and a FUCKING BALROG.... but people are getting pissed over a black guy? huh?
Worst argument ever. Because all of these mentioned above are accordingly to the lore and laws of such world. An sub-sahaaran african in Gondorian armor (notice that peoples in middle-earth put huge emphasis in ancestry) is nonsense. You see, Europe is an alternative world for Europe and its peoples, you disrespect it when you put a non-european in it. Also, Haradrim look like semitic peoples.
1930s, Oxford, England - Tolkien creates Middleearth as a substitute for Anglo-Saxon mythology 2010s, Burgerking, California - WE WUZ NUMENOREANS'N'SHIEEEET
tbh I just want someone to allow me to brutally massacre hordes of orcs and then when I tire of that brand some orcs and make them brutally massacre their long-time friends and children. So the main character could be a Neanderthal with dowbsyndrom for all I care
Daniel Michel, hahaha, well, he did look like a neanderthal by virtue of his protruded face...I always wondered whether I was the only person complaining about his strange face ^^
I just thought that instead of writing about the game and what it could be, thought that is a good topic, I would mention how well made this video is. It draws you in, and really makes you ask questions and want to know more. Good job to the people who made this video... it is extremely enjoyable and well done. Let me guess... Lord of the Rings' fans? The lighting on certain points, like Minas Morgul and the armor of the people are simply fantastic.
Plus that Balrog looked amazing. Giant armored fire demons is always a win in my book. It´s a shame that one of the comments that isn´t about how they are "destroying" the lore and that actually presents an interesting topic will get lost in the sea of hatred that is this comment section. So disappointed on the TH-cam and LOTR community...
If we're gonna cry foul on lore inconsistencies then let's start with the Balrog, because the 12 Balrogs that went into hiding in the first Age DO NOT answer to Sauron. They answer to Morgoth, who was a ALOT more dangerous than Sauron.
exactly. all these crybabies are talking about the black guy being lore-breaking but fail to see the other inaccuracies. they clearly don't know shit of tolkein's work
Even the first game was like that. The little Tarzan-ass Dwarf, random ass fauna, Uruk-Hai misnomer...these games aren't officially part of the Mythos, as far as I can tell. As for the black man, it's cool, but since it IS European folklore there should be a REASON that he is a GONDORIAN (e.g. moved up from the South, refugee family, rescued from the Corsairs of Umbar, etc...). Much like most Medieval stories explain that dark skinned characters are actually Moorish pirates or travelers, so should be the same in Legendarium fiction. Much like the history of Earth (provided I am not corrected by afro- or indo-centrists) there would not be a random black man in Norther England in the late 10th century unless he was a traveller or companion of the Vikings, pirate, etc...
You're exactly right. And to build off that, I don't even care if they explain to me where the black guy came from. I don't care if they ever mention that he's from somewhere else since I can just assume whatever I want on my own. He's there and he has his own life just like every other npc.
iRsemple That's pretty lazy, though. If a Dwarf was shown a a citizen of the Forests of Lothlorien, would you not want to know how a Dwarf became an ELVEN citizen?
if you read this comment, please for your own sanity and well-being just don't look further down. Else you read some of the dumbest complaints and anti-sjw ramblings over a single screenshot/character. Just enjoy the cinematic and leave.
Ral you do realize that almost nothing in this game got much to do with original Tolkien's books? I bet you haven't read it. Because if you did you would know that indeed black people are in his books (somebody incorrectly said there was Middle East region, which is actually more like Asia-Africa). But it's ok, you are fine with 99% changes but GOD BLESS THERE IS A BLACK MAN.
I came to this video for the comments, to see if anyone had any theories about gameplay, enemies, maps, new abilities with the rings, and all y'all are doing is complaining about a black guy because he doesn't fit the lore? Can you all not see past that and LOVE THE GAME FOR WHAT IT IS? A RANGER that lost his family and will most likely kill a Balrog AND LIVE? This is the first time I've been ashamed of the Middle Earth community.
099Nitro to be completely fair, the first game also broke some lore rules, but seriously, this game looks amazing and the gameplay reveal supports that. A black guy in a cinematic trailer shouldn't ruin that.
Ever heard of Harad?There are black people in the source material.Even if there weren't who would give a flying fuck,it's called creative freedom.It's not like Lord of The Rings didn't have plot holes and inconsitstances in itself.You people seriosly need to stop the herd mentality it's toxic and cringe-worthy.
Naw, that's conjecture. People think Sauron wore his on his index finger because it was the only finger cut off. Frodo wore it on his "third finger" so his middle finger. So it doesn't really matter where it is worn.
The shadow of mordor games are non-canon. The games shit over Tolkien's law for example Men have the gift of death, the idea of them returning from death goes against the lore. For elfs they cannot return from the dead as wraiths. YET I can maturely acknowledge that this game was non-canon. I bought the old game because it had decent game play. People on here are triggered over a black character? LOL... even though what? The shadow of war has Balrogs living in mordor when only Durins Bane was known to survive the first age and that a new ring of power is going to be forged? If people are pointing to the black character saying 'its destroying Tolkien's lore' WHEN the last game already did that AND when there are far worse lore breaking aspects of this trailer.... then these people are hypocrites. If you're prepared to play these games when they have characters and plot points that WRECK Tolkien's lore... yet declare a boycott of the game because 'OMFG BLack there is a black character' THEN cut the shit... you don't care about Tolkien's lore. If you did you would have boycotted the last game AND you would have mentioned the WORSE things that contradict Tolkien's lore in this trailer. These people fixated on the black character are as bad as the SJW's. When political agenda affects the playable content of a video game I can get on board with a boycott BUT to attack a game that is already considered non canon just because a character is black.... that's complete bullshit. If shadow of war has good game play then the developers did nothing wrong because the game is declared non cannon. So could all these triggered losers grow up?
+ Don'tHateMe CauseYou'reWrong You know when you go for the player instead of the ball you no longer play the game. Personal attacks come from feelings, arguments come from facts. Thus SJW's make personal attacks - they don't want to play the game... make the argument because they suck. Nothing I said came from feeling I was just pointing out the facts. ] Your response was completely emotional. You are a triggered loser, go to a safe space and clam down.
AtheistBulldozer I thought you don't return from the dead as a wraith, but you just become a wraith after you die. And why wouldn't elves be able to become as wraiths?
AtheistBulldozer have you Even played the ducking the game. He didn't return as a wraith celebrimbor did and chose him. And why can't there be these creatures. Maybe we kill all of them and that's why they aren't in the next movies
This looks and sounds INCREDIBLE!!! What a trailer. Can't wait to play, the first one was amazing this one looks and sounds just as good, I'm sure I will love it!
I think the reason everyone is pissed about the black dude is because we know why he's there. No one likes it when you just throw a black guy in a movie or game (especially a LOTR game where there really aren't black people in the lore... at all) so you can say it's diverse. And it's so fucking obvious. Same thing with the new star wars movies. Just us knowing why they're there is what's so infuriating.
I agree with you about the Star wars movie, but I think that saying that everybody knows why he is there is absolute bullshit. The thing is that we DONT know why he is there we DONT know his part in the story and how he got into Gondor. And saying that there are no blacks in the whole Arda. There were no blacks in the LotR but there might be some blacks in the Arda and one of them could get to Gondor somehow as I said who knows
Rymit .Merth You don't understand what I said. That character was put in the game for reasons other than to further the story. They made a black character to appease sjws and to say the cast is diverse. No other reason they did it. Same thing with Rogue One.
***** Ok i get it now, but still think its an insane piece of critisism. one black guy isnt going to change anything in the game gameplay-wise, so the best thing you can do is to laugh at them trying to force it, because at the at of the day nobody, who is creating the game gives a shit about addition of one black character and peoples outrage on it
90% of the comments concerning the black guy are made by people saying we are giving way too much attention to the black guy, if you take away all their comments then there really is only a few comments bashing SoW for putting him in the game. If you don't want it to be a big issue then don't blow it up by saying "Wow so many people are talking about one black guy, its not lore breaking jeez", the people commenting this shit do more than the actual haters.
"The Haradrim, known in Westron as the Southrons and once as the "Swertings" by Hobbits, were a race of Men from Harad in the region of Middle-earth directly south of Gondor. Before that, in the First Age, ""the Atani from whom the Haradrim descended were known as Black Men."" A part of the histories of the Westlands is given to the fierce people who in the Second and the Third Age of the Sun, came from the hot deserts and forests of sunlands, which lay in the South of Middle-earth. These people were ruled by many and lords, until in time Sauron the Maia corrupted them and called them to war."
Ah, I see WB's marketing strategy. They put a black guy into the mix so everyone talks about him, and then they get away with the double deluxe editions and the microtransactions. Clever.
Finally someone was able figure out WB's evil plan. Put a minority in there to incite the ongoing petty war between SJWs and Anti-SJW's on the internet so can they slip their bullshit deluxe editions and microtransactions into the game without much resistant. Clever plan indeed lol.
I haven't gotten around to playing the first game yet, but if what I"m remembering correctly about when the series is supposed to be set and just when it's taking place, this would be *after* Sauron originally lost the One Ring during the War of the Last Alliance....in other words, this would be when Gondor is still pretty close to the height of it's power and still has a pretty firm grip over Mordor if not total control over it. At least the first game is taking place in that period anyway, the plot of the first game is kicked off by Sauron's forces returning to Mordor and starting to retake it from the Gondorian rangers and forces keeping guard over it. So in other words, Sauron wouldn't really be able to control or restrict access to anyone who wants to go in or out of Mount Doom.
People don't be stupid. Nowhere in Tolkien's books/lore is it written "There are no Africans in Middle Earth". You're just looking for reasons to cry about it. Minorities are usually left out of descriptions. If I said that the Russian army consists of white-skinned men, does that translate to "No single black exists in the Russian army"? If you think there were no blacks in European lore at that time then you haven't heard about black knights in England such as Sir Morren and Alessandro de Medici, historical duke of Florence, who was black. Also a black man in the Russian empire was Abram Petrovich Gannibal. You don't hear about these men in European history but they existed! The developers of this game have the right to include or add characters of note to the lore, and he happens to be black. Just because you never heard of them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Racistsss
uh..actually..there is no mention of african-like cultures in any of the books...so there is the problem.. you see... numenorians, elves, dwarves, haradrim, rhun, orcs. all the races are already mentioned in the books..there isn't a black human population in tolkien's works. this is why ppl are complaining, cuz it's anti lore. no person can be born black out of two white parents, therefore it's lorebreaking and and sad attempt at forced diversity
Nowhere is it mentioned in the books that another blue ring was formed to fight the first ring. And no where is it mentioned that there was a goblin called Ratbag. There's no problem there. It;'s just simple logic for a non-canon game.
Regardless of whatever arguments for or against the inclusion of a black character are being used, I have yet to see a single racist comment. Simply because one objects to the inclusion does not make that person racist. You clearly acknowledge this when you attack the argument, that no African cultures were described in Middle Earth. That is not a racist argument, it's an argument that the inclusion of a black character is inconsistent with the lore of the series. You might think this a bad argument, and that's fine. But to call this racism is disingenuous.
I have a serious question: will we be able to import our runes and/or capitans from Shadow of Mordor? Because i went and branded every single capitan, in both normal game, and Lord of the Hunt.
Brown skinned and Dark skinned humans are in Middle-Earth. The Easterlings are the brown skinned people and the Haradrim are the Dark skinned people. As an ebony person and Tolkien fan it brings me pain to see how the Lord of the Rings fan base is treating this one character. Using words like "politically correct" or "he shouldn't exist". I almost don't want to consider myself part of the Middle-Earth fan base if half of it is going to be closed minded. Basically what I'm saying think before your talk because your not the only skin tone that likes Tolkien's world of Eä/Arda.
I read and watch many historical Asian books/movies/games, as well as many Asian mythological movies/games . Guess what? All the characters in them are Asian, and there's no random white guy shoed in for diversity. It doesn't bother me at all that they don't have white people (my race) in their movies/games etc, because it wouldn't make any sense. It doesn't bother me that there's a black person in the game, it bothers me because a black person replaced a Gondorian officer (important to note that he was wearing important looking armor and was featured in the trailer meaning he's going to be in the main story) in the game in a specific way to make a political statement and/or to avoid being accused of racism. In LotR's lore, "Men of the west" are based on Europeans, Haradrims/Easterlings are based on middle easterners and the moors. There were tribes FAAAAR out from the conflict that were briefly described as dark skinned and under the control of Sauron. Why not have the actual dark skinned people described by Tolkien in the game? Is it because having black people be allies of Sauron and villians in the game would be racist?
Draconic Selene A lot of Asian movies I've seen do have Caucasian people in it both fictional Asian movies like The Great Wall, The Forbidden Kingdom and 47 Ronan etc... and historical movies like The Last Samurai, The Flower Wars, and The Deceivers etc... But you've missed the point all together, Middle Earth isn't a Caucasian world it is diverse, full of races. And to compare Middle Earth to Asian films is low because there both different. Also your wrong about Caucasian people not being in Asian films both historical and fiction. And it shouldn't bother you if there is a fictional character in a fictional world with a skin tone that's just a little darker than yours. And a black person didnt replace a Gondorian officer there are no black people and there are no white people in Middle Earth. Only the children of Erú Illuvitar, Elves and Men. Good if he's in the main story I can't wait to learn more about him and fight side by side with him. There's no such this as political statement there is only right and there is only wrong no in between. And it was right to put him in the story sense Tolkien never said that a dark skinned human couldn't be a Gondorian. Yeah I know the West is Europe and I know the Haradrim are Africa and Easterlings are Middle Easterns. But by that statement you made is a political correct statement because Tolkien said many times that his stories are not allegorical it is not right allegory to the real world. They might describe the man in the game, you haven't played it you don't know. Give it a chance, if your going to rant over a game just because a fictional character in a fantasy world in a video game has a skin tone that is a little darker than your on then by definition your blind and misguided by color. I won't say that your racist because I don't know but you are strange to talk this way.
Middle earth isn't Earth. There are Europeans (men of the the west) there are Haradrim/Easterlings (Based on Arabs/Moors/Mongols), elves, hobbits, dwarfs, and orcs. Sure, there might be some far off land where black skin color exists, but it makes no sense for there to be an officer in the Gondorian army. It's essentially the equivalent of there being an African officer in the British Empire in the 1500s before they'd even discovered Africa, as in it wouldn't happen. Also, you're acting like this is Star Wars or some such fiction. Middle Earth is a stand in for European (primarily Anglo) Mythology, would you expect to see Asians running around in Greek Mythology? Harad is not Africa, it is Arabia/North Africa (Far Harad is what you're thinking of, which is indeed where darker skin "half trolls" described by Tolkien live) and the Easterlings are Mongols/Eurasia. I'm not aware of any region described by Tolkien that would be Africa other than an undiscovered one further south of Far Harad. You are aware that most of those films you listed were produced in Hollywood, right? (I watch actual Asian produced films) Also, they're all either historical or given legitimate reasons as to why they would be in that setting. For example, the character in the Last Samurai and The Flower Wars are based on real life people and events..there's a Caucasian there in the movie because there was one there in real life. In the Great wall there character was either a trader or an explorer, both reasons work fine as thousands of whites traveled to China for these reasons during the time period (I didn't watch this). It won't bother me at all if the black character in the game is explained with back story and given an interesting reason why he's in the game and an interesting role that would make sense (like a tribal leader of a tribe that migrated to the area around morder to escape orc raiding parties or something? idk) The problem is that it's unlikely that it's the case, seeing as he was very prominently featured fighting as a Gondorian soldier. Nice to see you implying that I'm a racist just because I think the devs did it for political reasons, which is fairly obvious- it's been happening in many other AAA titles recently so companies can avoid being called "racist" because of the current political climate. I don't care about politics, I don't want them in my games. I'm not a racist, I'd be just as annoyed if this were a game based on African Mythology and there were random white people as tribe leaders or something, lol. But whatever, we'll see who was right once the game comes out, I hope you enjoy the game- it looks pretty awesome.
I know Middle Earth isn't Earth but you contradict yourself when you said Middle Earth is a stand in for Europe last I checked Europe is on the Earth. Talk instead me times that his stories or not allegorical yes it may seem like the men of the west are the Europeans and the Easterlings are arabs/mongols and Haradrim are Africans/Indians but that just isn't the case. Tolkien avoid his stores like the Lord of the rings to be an allegory of World War I, originally Tolkien wrote his stories to be a mythological tale of Europe but he changed that Idea. You fooled yourself dude lol you said "Harad is not Africa, it is Arabia/North Africa" you said its North Africa, so yes Harad is Africa it doesn't matter it is North, South, East, West or Central. Africa is still Africa so yes the Harad are African and have dark skin. People of the Arabia have dark skin as well but not only that the moors and berbers are African. Yes I know those are Hollywood films and I know The Last Samurai and The Flower Wars are based off real life events, I told you that. However The Great Wall is fiction because Dragons don't exist. If it didn't bother you that there is a dark skinned person in a fictional video game then you never would have commented in the first place. I actually never implied as a matter of fact I said I didn't know if you are on or not so get your facts straight. There is no such thing as political reasons there is only good and there is only bad no neutral. And it was good to put him in the game, it brakes no written law or written code by Tolkien standards only your standards for some reason. But lucky it's not up to you. Yeah I'm done with this conversation.
North Africa is not populated by Africans, it's populated by Arabs- therefore Harad being Arab/Moorish totally stands to reason- so no, I didn't fool myself, you're lacking knowledge of world demographics did. Middle Earth is not an Allegory of WW1, where are the parralels? Yes, Morder was inspired by what he saw in the trenches, but certainly not the plot. Nice, trying to imply I'm racist again, typical- even though I clearly said I was bothered because of a station as a Gondorian soldier, not because he's black. If he was being portrayed correctly, I wouldn't care. Very passive aggressive response from you, not that I'm surprised. Have a pleasant life.
Gotta love how all these "diehard fans" dont say shit about Celebrimbor being able to use the one ring, Talion, the creation of another "one" ring, BUT A BLACK GUY? HOLY SHIT THATS WAY TOO FAR. THIS GAME IS TOTALLY SHITTING ON TOLKIEN'S LORE!!! OMFG!!! ONE SINGLE BLACK GUY!!!
Renzo Calarota It's the truth! Not to mention the balrog and ring wraiths can fly? Yet they still focus on the black dude, who could have been from the far south where the people are described as having dark skin. .
Please add a difficulty slider/make it harder this time around, the previous game was waaay too easy if you were experienced with Arkham combat. I almost never died and as a consequence never generated any cool nemesis. Excited about this one, hope you get it right again :)
Are people really freaking out because there was a black dude in the trailer? Seriously grow the fuck up, it's not the end of the world. I personally can't stand SJWs and the Regressive Left but you anti-SJWs (and/or Alt-Right) can be just as whiney and bitchy as them at times. It's really getting annoying. Can't you just be happy that we are getting a sequel to Middle-Earth: Shadow Of Mordor? By the way, there are black people in Middle-Earth. If you watch some of the films you can catch a few on screen. There aren't many but they do exist.
I will be angry if they try to pass him off within the Dunedain/Numenorian ethnic group. Or hold a position within the Dunedain chain of command. There are no black Dunedain! There are black/light skinned appearing humans that occur in the areas of far and near Harad, and some in the far east; however to occur in what appears to be a shoe-in role to satisfy some sort of diversity requirement goes against canon! I am a stickler for the lore, and I have all the books.
Link Scott it looks like theres gonna be alot against lore here... so its not gonna suprisr me if he is for example like tauriel, commander of the guard or some shit.
MESoM my first pc game when buy my Pc, my intro to the new generation in gaming, apothosic visual, masterful sound and cinemátics, a special place in my heart so amazing game. So many memories. Kind occupy, little late but I will buy this one too.
@@alumlovescake even though there's many stories to tell like you said WB most probably won't make another one. If they do it's gonna be a w0ke filled game with mtx and being a live service game provided by Sweetbaby or someone else related to it
Why do you all care? I love Tolkien's work and I don't care there is a black guy. It's non-canon. Like Durin's Bane was the last balrog, but here one is. A new ring of power, a man coming back from death, and an elf being a wraith all go against Tolkein's work. Hell, even Sauron being physical is bs. BUT WHO CARES?!?! You will get to fight legions of orcs, trolls, a balrog, Nazgūl, the witch king, and Sauron as a Gondorian ranger with a ring of power in Mordor. That is like a love letter to Tolkien fans.
Durin's Bane is not the last Balrog, it was never stated how many balrogs survived Morgoth's fall. I think everything they're doing with the wraith and the ring is bullshit, but they're doing it that to try and make their story cool. The only reason to break the plot and add a black guy is to appease the social justice type people that have been taking over gaming recently, and people have a right to be pissed off.
Stark101 15 I agree with you man. I love Lord of the Rings and Hobbit too and I'm extremely appalled by the way people are responding and commenting due to the appearance of a black person. I was hoping to comments that were hyped for this game but instead all I found was criticism, disgusting racist comments, and complaints about how this game ruins the lore. I played the first game and I enjoyed every moment of it and makes me sad to see this much hate.
It's that easy, aye. But due to it's oddness I hope it gets some explanation ingame. Would be cool if they built a quest around it, and how it came to pass he ended up in Gondor for some reason. Seems a long shot for a Haradrim to join the Gondorian army, but it would be kinda interesting!
An Hiro Quote from The Return of the King, "He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the luitenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; easterlings with axes; and Variags of Khand, southrons in scarlet, and out of far harad black men like half trolls with white eyes and red tongues."
As a huge, huge Middle Earth lore nern (let's compare our favorite characters from Silmarillion level nerd), I am perfectrly fine with all of this. Taking the lore as the starting point and making a new, pretty interesting story, with the freedom of not having to contain yourself in the setting (a.k.a. whatever you do, it must return to status quo because Lord of the Rings) - this is a really nice way of adapting the setting to a video game. At this point all of the canon is pretty old, familiar and loved as it is, and it's not like there is going to be more of it. So making a blockbuster level high quality fanfiction, that treats the setting with understanding and respect is great!
Finally! Been waiting for this... looks great! One minor point... I hope the black dude being featured has a contextual reason to be there as it doesn't look consistent with Tolkienian lore and I'd hate to think you guys are compromising the integrity of the world for a cheap SJW diversity inclusion...
Yes it stinks of politically correct appeasement - I just want there to be context and narrative integrity. If they chuck it out to please SJWs then meh... cheapens the whole show,
I really don't want to be that guy, but I take it this is basicaly a alternate Middle Earth now, since, you know, there was not a second ring forged? Because either this ends with Talon ded and the ring ded, or this is going to be a massive detour. I mean I'm cool with it mind. Using a Ring Of Power to go up against the lord of darkness? Sign me up.
Man, I don't give 2 shits if whatever race, color or gender was in tolkien's books or not. What I care abouyt is the EXTRA WEAPON OF MASS DEATH/EARLY WAR. (:
Kylestien See I think the fact that the series is noncannon is great because it allows them to do things like make new rings of power. Some say its shitting on the lore, not, it's building new stories in a world while leaving Tolkien's original work alone.
I don't know whats worse, the people bitching about LOTR lore or the people bitching about one character's skin color. Either way the comments are cancer
He likely came from Harad as the people there were described as dark skinned in the books. Or they could possibly be from the far east or the north as those areas were never described much.
Don't get me wrong this series has been beating down and raping the lore without lube since the first rumour about the first game. Men coming back from death? Elven wraiths? Yeah those are both only the tip of the ice berg but both are far bigger crimes than a black man among Gondorian troops. But that's beyond the point about what you wrote, because I just want to say how stupid that argument is. It's exactly like SJW saying "You have no problem with Dragons and zombie armies yet rape MUST be part of story cause realism" when talking about ASOIAF/GoT. It's not not about realism, it's about the world the author created. Tolkien wrote about elves, dwarfs and dragons within Middle-earth but not about straight up black people beyond small mentions of people far from the borders of Middle-earth that got even darker skin than those dark men (dark as in evil) in Harad and Rhûn who most take as being more Turkic and Middle-eastern in complexion. So within the realm of Middle-Earth, yes. A black man out of nowhere is abnormal while elves, dwarfs and dragons are not. Because that how the world was described and built by it's creator.
+DaongSwe nah see, that argument is pathetic because unless Tolkien specifically stated 'all humans are white skinned, as are all elves, all dwarves etc' then you see how stupid it is to complain about a black person?? Like get your head out of your arse, if you seriously think Tolkien would have cared or made as much of a fuss as half the people here are you're deluded. There is literally no harm in including diversity in fiction. And if you absolutely NEED to explain it to yourself for it to make sense, why can't your mind just be "oh, whoever that character is, they obviously originate from some distant land, but they're here now." like...what is so difficult about that?
Three rings for the Elven kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne...
And one for the Ranger, who was banished from death.
One for the bright lord, who turned the darkness against itself
🙄
We need Battle For Middle Earth 3 !!!
Gladiator 0022 yeah! Gladiator I love your vids
Gladiator 0022 yes
There will be a third. The dlc confirmed it.
@@raijusilver3449 how
Lady Galadriel said “And the escape of Celebrimbore.”
Not enough likes, too many dislikes.
Middle-earth: shadow of war is truly an underrated game.
It’s ridiculously underrated. Funny how a new COD is released pretty much every year and it’s the same crap everyone goes crazy. This game deserved more attention
It’s underrated but it also released in a really stacked year. Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Divinity 2, Persona 5, Horizon Zero Dawn, Sonic Mania, and Nioh came out that year. 2017 was a fucking legendary year for games
@@sladewilson2753 2018 too
Lets talk about the lore:
1. History of Minas Morgul. The city at 0:11 looks like Minas Ithil. Gondor built this tower and white marble city to defend against Mordor in the 2nd Age. This is where the White Tree and a Palantíri were originally kept. Sauron captured the city, but was later defeated in the War of the Last Alliance (when he lost the One Ring). Gondor returned to the city to watch over Mordor (0:18). In the 3rd Age, the Witch-king of Angmar and his Nazgul attacked Minas Ithil (1:39). This time they took over for good, and transformed the tower into what because known as Minas Morgul (1:44). The seemed to have gotten the lore down really good on this point!
2. A new ring of power. This is found in no lore whatsoever. However, if anyone could make a new ring, it would be Celebrimbor.
3. As for all of the comments about the black guy (0:15 and 1:35), yes, they do seem to being doing this because they want to be politically correct. However, perhaps they origin of the character is from far south around Harad where Tolkien describes the people as being of dark colored skin.
4. The Balrog at 1:18 looks awesome! The only Balrog we know of that survived until the 3rd Age is Durin's Bane (the one Gandalf fights). However, it is possible that other Balrogs escaped the War of Wrath and remained hidden (as Durin's Bane did).
10sectrailers Mina's ithil is Mina's Morgul
It's the same city. Only when held by Gondorians it was called Minas Ithil and then renamed as Minas Morgul after it fell to the hands of Mordor.
10sectrailers You missed one of the main plot points, an elf wraith and a human corpse fused together. Total bullshit tbh.
The transformation of minas ithil into minas morgul only makes sense as a flashback, as it takes place in the year TA 2002 i believe, and the first game takes place after the hobbit which around the year TA 3000, so either it's a flashback, or the timeline is messed up, or maybe the city is not minas ithil at all.
I think your right about the flashbacks.
That Gollum at 0:23.. top notch!
Good eye.
his new precious
Shadow of War
Nice touch.
Shadow of War The company replies to the comment..?
PRAISE ODIN!
Damn, didnt see that till now. Thanks mate!
"This is so not canon!!"
"Shut up, Meg!"
Still hate meg?
@@sharontamukathe1482 probably
Here in 2020 still loving this game with hundreds of hours in. Developers thx for this gem
Next up, Wonder Woman. Which uses the nemesis system.
Another 500 hours wasted XD.
I bought the Shadow Bundle which has most DLC's for both games on PS5 and even though it's 1080p 30 i'm still enjoying it. Too bad they developed wonder woman. This character isn't much popular. I wanted some other new IP not superhero one. I guess we'll see how it will turn out.
I wish another middle earth game happened where talion becomes a spirit and bond to a teenager from the same death his family went through like talion and they meet a different wraith who will help him avenge the boys family and stop the war
@@MikeTheGreek also a new game company made by shadow of war developers is making a WW2 black panther game with Hydra as main villain and a 19 year old captain America as playable character along with Azzuri T'challa grandfather.
@@0-Seya-0 That's a no go for me.
I...am...ready.
ill be ready in 5 months
Onyx Scarecrow ME......TOO!now bring me branded army with badass orcs
What if Talion becomes the King of the dead
Scarecrow 5th
Scarecrow game is good to record why I use it for channel and I was ife at first
All I need is the Dark Ranger outfit and the ability to Brand. My Orc Empire grew to be so strong that literally all of Mordor was mine
Alll two areas of it
It wasn't really that hard to do in the 1st game. Especially once you get the Branding.
Dark ranger is pants lol
I used to play as the black-hand "the power of shadow"
Well we didn't get the Dark Ranger outfit. But if you finish the game. You'll get the Servant's armor and cape which is also very cool.
Manzari if you pay attention to the armour , the "servant armour is the black hands armour & when youve upgraded you get the blades on the arms ......go back & look at the black hands armour from Shadow Of Mordor & you'll see what I'm saying
ok i'm hyped for this
TrendCrave I wish they made a 3rd game
@@Quick-ug2wl yup
@@Quick-ug2wl They said it was a maybe
The most epic part of the trailer when the Nazgul appears
Hope for a third game, love this series
why are game trailers better than actual movie trailers?
Because this isn't Hollywood Pal
Because they use actual clips from the movie...
i have watched this trailer countless times and now i spotted Gollum on the left side of the screen inside mount doom. 0:24
The good days 😢, we need a 3, the story felt left off on somthing.
They could definitely make more set in the First and Second Ages.
I hope they make another one, it's seriously one of the most fun games I ever played
If you get the true ending then it tells you tailon becomes a Nazgul and when Frodo destroys the ring it leads to all the Nazgul dying and we get a scene that shows talion at peace and finally going to an afterlife
@@aliquidgaming1068 Yeah. And the DLC Blade of Galadriel leaves the path clear for a new game. In the end it's stated that with the destruction of the one ring Celebimbor escaped, but he's now bound to the new ring that he created, wich is in possession of Eltariel
STRAIGHT OUTTA GONDOR
That is legitimately funny. Well done good sir.
Wang Hai Feng you're very welcome esquire
When i feel bored, i grab my long sword
Hack n slashin through the armies of Mordor!
CTM Podcast A crazy mother****** named Talion
hunter cheadle forged a ring and became al corupted! sliced heads of uruks and peasents!
Who gives a fuck if it's not lore friendly? The first one wasn't either. It's just a fun spinoff from the original story that isn't trying to be a part of it. Just sit back and enjoy it. As someone who has been reading Tokein's work since I was in elementary school, I could pick out a thousand things in just this 2 minute trailer that derive from the original story. But this isn't trying to pass itself off as canon in any way. If the gameplay is as good as the first one, that's all that matters.
Finally someone in this comment section with common sense
always pisses me off when people go so crazy they complain and cry about this game not being lore friendly, ITS NOT MADE TO BE LORE FRIENDLY, never has it tried or stated that its lore friendly, it is its own story that uses lotr as a platform for its world.
Totally agree but its sad to see them cave to 'all inclusiveness' with a and black and female Ranger - which totally flies in the face of LOTR and middle-earth
My cousin is a bigger Tolkien fan than me and even she has fun with this series, faults and all. Besides it's fun!
The point is that why milk the LOTR franchise? Why? It's disrepsectful to Tolkien. Some things are meant to not be altered with. Like would you like a Batman game where the Joker is Bruce Wayne and Batman is Harvey Dent? It's retarded! It's stupid and unessecary.
People who support this kind of money milking cash grab are retarded and should educate themselves about the term "Original Author". Or kill themselves.
Okay, guys. So, there have been a lot of comments on lore... and how it's wrong... and yet, it's also right.
First off, let's remember that this game is NON-CANON. While the Game Developers feel it would be better to align itself and keep mostly true to the movies, the game itself is still non-canon.
Now, into the lore
Point 1: The Whole Plot. Obviously and of course, yeah, there's nothing in the lore about the Bright Lord of Mordor, a new Ring of Power and stuff, but it's a game - and it looks like an amazing game. I'm not going to treat it as canon, and therefore any lore inconsistencies, as the game isn't canon - do they really matter? I am a huge Tolkien nerd and this game looks great despite that, but let's take a look at lore 'inconsistencies.' This also includes the plot of the first game, and even the cinematics with Celembrimbor flashbacks have a few errors - for example, the first 16 Rings of Power were forged by Elven smiths + Annatar for the Elves (these were later captured by Sauron and distributes to men and dwarves). Only three of them were forged personally by Celebrimbor, being Vilya, Nenya, and Narya, which were untouched by Sauron. Celebrimbor had no part in creating the One Ring, and was killed by Sauron at the city of Ost-in-edhil, which was ransacked in the Second Age and Celebrimbor was killed. Fact: Ost-in-edhil was actually around when the Elves and the Dwarves were chill, and Celebrimbor was the character who created Durin's Door, the gate of Moria which Gandalf said Mellon too in the first movie.
Point 2: The Black Guy. Apparently, this guy has been really controversial. I don't know why. During the Second Age, Gondor had a significant foothold in the South, throughout what is known as 'Southern Gondor' and Umbar, which are desert regions close to the land of Harad, where you would more likely find black people in Middle Earth. It's entirely possible that a Gondorian family living here could be black and they could move northwards long ago, and they would exist. Doubtless, there are probably racists in Gondor (Denethor, I'm looking at you) but still. Moreover, we can note that Gondor did lose most of this territory prior to the War of the Ring (with Umbar falling to the Black Numenoreans and becoming the headquarters of the Corsairs, and Southern Gondor falling significantly later in the third age). It's entirely possible there would be a black guy living in Gondor. Perhaps more improbable is the woman who is dressed in a similar uniform, as females in Middle Earth were not allowed in the army, but she may not be a soldier - or, she may be good enough to join anyway (I'm not sure, but it makes sense, given Gondor would be desperate, that if she was a really good soldier they'd let her in).
Point 3: Sauron's Physical Body. Tolkien himself confirmed in his books with some of Gollum's dialogue that Sauron, at the time of the War of the Ring, had a physical body. While this may not be so true in the movies, Sauron did have a body - Gollum said that he had a 'four fingered black hand' (if I am remembering my words correctly). Sauron simply never left Barad-Dur out of paranoia. His 'All-Seeing Eye' in the books wasn't actually an Eye on top of the tower, instead, it was most likely the Palantir he had taken from Minas Ithil when he conquered the city and made it into Minas Morgul. He also confirmed that Sauron did indeed have physical form in his notes.
Point 4: The Balrog. There were certainly other Balrogs, and in the books its stated that Sauron probably didn't know of the existence of these and the Balrogs were essentially entities with a power level almost that of Sauron (pre-One Ring). The Balrogs answered to Morgoth, the First Dark Lord, however, not Sauron. But, given that Sauron had earlier convinced the Numenoreans to worship Morgoth (not himself) and was almost certainly attempting to free his master, I think any surviving Balrogs once they had emerged from hiding would have worked with (not under, but with) Sauron.
Point 5: The Fell Beasts. This point is a little more hazy, so I may be wrong on this, but I believe the Fell Beasts were only finally finished being bred after the Fellowship entered Moria. In the books, the first Fell Beast ridden by a Nazgul (presumably Khamul) was shot down near the Falls of Rauros by Legolas, while the Uruk Hai were searching for them. So, the fact that there were Fell Beasts prior to this (at least book wise) is incorrect.
Point 6: Those Teeth Guys. What the hell is with those tooth-faced guys? They look like wights or wraiths, which certainly existed (such as the wights in the Barrow-downs).
Point 7: The Ring's Inscription. Freezing the frame at 0:35, I can see, judging by what it says in the Black Tongue, it's reading out the precise same phrase as the One Ring of Power had. None of the other rings had this, and it doesn't fit to have it on the new ring, but it looks awesome none the less.
Point 8: Thanks for reading! Holy crumbs, you got through this whole comment. All in all, the people at Shadow of War made a great game (this is the important bit - the game looks awesome) but also kept it within (kinda) logical lore boundaries for us true Tolkien nerds. I mean, the plot is absurd and ridiculous but the game is awesome and intense. To be honest, having seen the gameplay trailer, the fact that there are dragons when Smaug was confirmed to be the last great dragon (and considering Dragon fire was capable of melting Rings of Power (save the One Ring), the fact that there is a dragon is woah) - and that dragon looks pretty impressive.
This year will be the best year in gaming since 2007.
Theo Fox and they abandoned Nintendo Switch lol
Passose Uhm...don't know what the switch has to do with anything but I will be playing this on my new ryzen gtx 1070 build and it'll be awesome like the first game.
anony moose YOU have no taste
chill guys, taste is subjective.
wouldn't it be better to have to have, let's say a big Mac and a chicken big Mac, and not agree which one are best, than only having 3 pieces of bread with nothing in between?
well if nothing else you can put your egos in it... pointless fucking argument
Theo Fox Imo 2011 was dope
I mean, there's Sauron, Nazgul, a Balrog, an enormous army of Orcs, Fellbeasts, a new ring of power , an all out war, yet half of the comments are about a characters skin colour. Fuck this planet!
Ross Mole Cant see your point. Middle Earth is based on fiction created by Tolkien. If there were ONLY white Gondor soldiers in his books, then that is how it is. Has nothing to do with racism.
There also never was a second ring of power, and a Balrog would never work for Sauron. (Not to mention wasn't Durin's Bane the last Balrog?)
Shadow of Mordor, while kind of true to the lore, raped it pretty hard with the DLC. This is nothing new, but we gotta complain about the black guy?
If they made Talion black I'd get your point but honestly this seems like an overreaction. And this is coming from a passionate anti-SJW who will not be forking over any cash to Bioware, because they hired an actual anti-white racist.
Everything other than the black Gondorian is consistent within this world, even the new ring of power, seeing as how Celebrimbor co-crafted all of the previous ones save the One Ring.
@Darryl Balrogs served Morgoth and Sauron was one of Morgoth's main 3 lieutenants, so Balrogs therefore served Sauron before. Agreed on that Bioware piece of shit though.
Well, there are many Balrogs in LoTR lore, so we might see not one but even two of them... And maybe the one who allmost killed Gandalf, who knows!
It's 2021 now and I still play this. The Nemesis mechanic was very good in my opinion
why is there an african american character? tolkien was pretty specific with races in all of his books...
Was he now? How about the Haradrim? Or the Easterlings?
theres actually other races in "Arda" ignorant fool.
hi im moxygen who cares about skin color almost all content doesn't stick to the original black and white anymore! It's a color ! This game looks so amazing regardless the color of the people
Haradrim weren't black, the Easterlings were middle eastern in appearance.
>implying middle eastern people aren't brown
lol
The final boss better not be a quick time event.
Joshua Seyferth I hope it isn't too.
Joshua Seyferth I think they learned from Shadow of Mordor, pretty big backlash on that final boss fight.
It wasn’t
What the fuck, people? This game has the most non-lore LOTR stuff in probably any media ever, and you think it breaks the lore because of a black guy? There are random Balrogs in Mordor, Nazghuls that fly around like ghosts, a gondorian Ranger that has been killed by a few fictional Commanders of Sauron that were never mentioned in the lore (yeah there were black Numenorians but nobody ever said something about the Black Hand or something), said gondorian Ranger is brought back to life because his body and soul comes together with that of an ancient wraith, who is in fact the restless spirit of a ringmaker that wants to destroy Sauron, together they can mind control orcs, caragors and graugs and whatnot, and they travel together to Mount Doom to forge a new ring of power that is as powerful as the one ring of Sauron. And all of this lore unfriendly material is where the new game will start. And you think a black guy in gondor is not compatible to the lore? Just look at the first game. And all of that should be irrelevant anyway because it doesn't matter because the first game was fucking awesome even though it had almost nothing to do with lotr lore, and I still loved it. So if your complain is that the developers ruin the lore by putting a black guy in there you either have no idea of the lore itself or you might wanna think about why you are so upset that there is a black person in a game to begin with.
Anyway, the trailer looks fucking awesome. I'm going to love this game, considering how awesome the first part was.
The 1st game was a blast! I hope they further improved the nemesis system and made the map(s) a bit bigger this time!
ikr ! the first was great! this one must be even better, cuz they will fix everything that people complained about, like the ending... and the part with getting all the generals down before getting to the end.
hear hear
I just hopw for more compelling characters and story, everything else in the first game was a-okay in my book.
There and back again to Middle Earth. Hype!
If anyone wants to know what music was used in trailer, here the list:
Begining part:audiomachine - Attack on the Winter Wall
Middle part:audiomachine - Ten Thousand Slain
Ending:audiomachine - Crossing Destiny
they better not make this game's ending anticlimactic again
This name is fucking stupid it wasnt a boss battle. it was qte
Honestly i'd like a game that was JUST the Nemesis system. No one played it for it's plot. Just focus on making the system better instead of some story no one cares about.
That's where you're wrong, heathen
Cloud Camilon yeah the last fight was easy af
It wasn't a boss battle. It was a quick time event.
1:35 Uhhh no offence but JRR Tolkien's men of Westernesse were all Anglo Saxon Europeans. I get that the company wants to be ultra PC about this for profits, but unless that guy is fighting with the Haradrim alongside orcs he isn't a good guy as according to the source material. Tolkien was very specific about how groups of people looked, and watching people murder the source material for profits makes me die a little on the inside.
Imagine seeing Jackie Chan play the role of Kunta Kinte. That's what this is like.
you're complaining about that but you're not complaining about the 2nd ring? the balrog? the flying nazgul that almost look like fucking death eaters from harry potter? go fuck off
Nazgul Supposedly this is supposed to be from an "alternate universe" where Sauron the Maia has the same power as Melkor/Morgoth the Ainur.
I can suspend my disbelief with that when it comes to that, sure, because they are just reusing characters from the series. But there were never any black men of Westernesse, the book was racialist on purpose. Orcs were meant to be "asiatic", then the Horadrim were black/Arab. I know that's controversial as fuck these days but at least try to reuse characters right.
Nazgul I mean they at least could've had an alliance with Haradrim and good orcs. After the fall of Sauron the orcs chilled out and were given some land to farm so they could have "good orcs" as well, so if they are just going to recycle people and things from completely different point in the Lotr timeline why not have that? Didn't see that either, so it's not being inclusive enough I guess.
General Pinochet or when Jesus, Moses and an Egyptian god is played by all white men, I know exactly how you feel...
that was bullshit too. Just let cultures stay distinct and preserved and Europe can promote their gothic architecture, renascence art, and internet and Nothern Africa can promote the pyramids, Libyan trade cities and early advanced irrigation techniques.
In this trailer we have orc armies a new ring, Sauron himself, The Witch King of Angmar, and a FUCKING BALROG....
but people are getting pissed over a black guy?
huh?
Something about Harad, from what I can gather.
Worst argument ever. Because all of these mentioned above are accordingly to the lore and laws of such world. An sub-sahaaran african in Gondorian armor (notice that peoples in middle-earth put huge emphasis in ancestry) is nonsense. You see, Europe is an alternative world for Europe and its peoples, you disrespect it when you put a non-european in it.
Also, Haradrim look like semitic peoples.
@@ricardopontes7177 it's actually explained how he came to Gondor tough, hes not gondorian, he's a former slave adopted into gondorian society.
1930s, Oxford, England - Tolkien creates Middleearth as a substitute for Anglo-Saxon mythology
2010s, Burgerking, California - WE WUZ NUMENOREANS'N'SHIEEEET
made my day
YOU MEAN BLACK NUMENOREANS CUZ!!! HAHA-HA NEEERD!
I. NEED. THIS.
Sefraca But there's no female protagonist?
Sefraca same
DADA 5000 lol how?
Sefraca AND RIGHT FUCKING NOW PLEASE
Jay Jones Read Lord of the Rings. Then you'll know why. You're welcome.
the last black guy of middle earth, shall fall!
What the fuck
Talion is not a neanderthal anymore lol
Daniel Michel What? i dont understand.
In the last mordor game his model looked ugly. There were some complains about that. Tbh i'm glad they modified it.
Daniel Michel THIS IS A CENIMATIC...
WE SHALL SEE...
tbh I just want someone to allow me to brutally massacre hordes of orcs and then when I tire of that brand some orcs and make them brutally massacre their long-time friends and children. So the main character could be a Neanderthal with dowbsyndrom for all I care
Daniel Michel, hahaha, well, he did look like a neanderthal by virtue of his protruded face...I always wondered whether I was the only person complaining about his strange face ^^
01:34 goddamnit, why is there a black?
i agree, there were never black people in the LoTR movies. (cuz the orcs represent as black people)
but in this game, they actually added a black guy.
why is there a second ring of power? .....
Don't worry, in the start you have two option, 1: I get easily offended or 2: just wanna kill me some orcs and the Haradrim can help
I TAKE IT THE HARADRIM CANT TRAVEL TO MIDDLE EARTH?...
because in return of the king there was actually a black person
Music is Attack on the Winter Wall by Audiomachine
LOVE the first game, with its unique boss system and addictive combat. I can't wait to see what improvements await this franchise!
"My Precious!!!"
Am I the only one that wants more from this voice actress? God damn that was great!
hol up *smacks sword*
Are you sayin
that we wus RANGS an sheitttttttt
You tellin me we wuz in mordor? SHIEEET
Lord Ironhawk *sees gold ring* GIBS ME DAT!
Wot teh fuck are you doing here Ironhawk?
Lord Ironhawk Bruh y'all orc deadasses tryna throw hanss i pull up on yo shkreet wit da sword CLANG CLANG pop y'all niggas
I just thought that instead of writing about the game and what it could be, thought that is a good topic, I would mention how well made this video is. It draws you in, and really makes you ask questions and want to know more. Good job to the people who made this video... it is extremely enjoyable and well done. Let me guess... Lord of the Rings' fans? The lighting on certain points, like Minas Morgul and the armor of the people are simply fantastic.
This will be completely ignored by the amount of people raging over a black Gondor ranger
Plus that Balrog looked amazing. Giant armored fire demons is always a win in my book.
It´s a shame that one of the comments that isn´t about how they are "destroying" the lore and that actually presents an interesting topic will get lost in the sea of hatred that is this comment section.
So disappointed on the TH-cam and LOTR community...
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If we're gonna cry foul on lore inconsistencies then let's start with the Balrog, because the 12 Balrogs that went into hiding in the first Age DO NOT answer to Sauron. They answer to Morgoth, who was a ALOT more dangerous than Sauron.
exactly. all these crybabies are talking about the black guy being lore-breaking but fail to see the other inaccuracies. they clearly don't know shit of tolkein's work
Even the first game was like that. The little Tarzan-ass Dwarf, random ass fauna, Uruk-Hai misnomer...these games aren't officially part of the Mythos, as far as I can tell. As for the black man, it's cool, but since it IS European folklore there should be a REASON that he is a GONDORIAN (e.g. moved up from the South, refugee family, rescued from the Corsairs of Umbar, etc...). Much like most Medieval stories explain that dark skinned characters are actually Moorish pirates or travelers, so should be the same in Legendarium fiction. Much like the history of Earth (provided I am not corrected by afro- or indo-centrists) there would not be a random black man in Norther England in the late 10th century unless he was a traveller or companion of the Vikings, pirate, etc...
Marquis Elder Called it. Go back to reading realhistoryww.com where you can feel less insecure boio.
You're exactly right. And to build off that, I don't even care if they explain to me where the black guy came from. I don't care if they ever mention that he's from somewhere else since I can just assume whatever I want on my own. He's there and he has his own life just like every other npc.
iRsemple That's pretty lazy, though. If a Dwarf was shown a a citizen of the Forests of Lothlorien, would you not want to know how a Dwarf became an ELVEN citizen?
B L A C K E D
if you read this comment, please for your own sanity and well-being just don't look further down. Else you read some of the dumbest complaints and anti-sjw ramblings over a single screenshot/character. Just enjoy the cinematic and leave.
We need more of you, definitely
How dare they try to appeal to larger demographics! (pretty much every complain on every movie and game released in last 5 years).
Ral i'm very sorry that reality has diversity bias.
Ral it's a game set on whatever the fuck creators decide it is. It was never meant to be canon.
Ral you do realize that almost nothing in this game got much to do with original Tolkien's books? I bet you haven't read it. Because if you did you would know that indeed black people are in his books (somebody incorrectly said there was Middle East region, which is actually more like Asia-Africa).
But it's ok, you are fine with 99% changes but GOD BLESS THERE IS A BLACK MAN.
I came to this video for the comments, to see if anyone had any theories about gameplay, enemies, maps, new abilities with the rings, and all y'all are doing is complaining about a black guy because he doesn't fit the lore? Can you all not see past that and LOVE THE GAME FOR WHAT IT IS? A RANGER that lost his family and will most likely kill a Balrog AND LIVE? This is the first time I've been ashamed of the Middle Earth community.
If you take the source material serious you would might be ashamed of yourself for supporting it
099Nitro to be completely fair, the first game also broke some lore rules, but seriously, this game looks amazing and the gameplay reveal supports that. A black guy in a cinematic trailer shouldn't ruin that.
@ 009Nitro The same can be said for anyone who enjoyed the Metro or Witcher games as well in that case. lol.
Ever heard of Harad?There are black people in the source material.Even if there weren't who would give a flying fuck,it's called creative freedom.It's not like Lord of The Rings didn't have plot holes and inconsitstances in itself.You people seriosly need to stop the herd mentality it's toxic and cringe-worthy.
I have not seen any comments about the black guy I have only seen comments of people complaining about the complainers of the black dood
Everyone is annoyed about a black dude, but the more annoying thing is that the ring is on his index finger.
true dat.
that did trigger me, I'm not going to lie
That is where the rings of powers are put.
Naw, that's conjecture. People think Sauron wore his on his index finger because it was the only finger cut off. Frodo wore it on his "third finger" so his middle finger. So it doesn't really matter where it is worn.
Even more annoying: super high budget cutscenes that look nothings like the actual gamplay
The shadow of mordor games are non-canon. The games shit over Tolkien's law for example Men have the gift of death, the idea of them returning from death goes against the lore. For elfs they cannot return from the dead as wraiths.
YET I can maturely acknowledge that this game was non-canon. I bought the old game because it had decent game play.
People on here are triggered over a black character? LOL... even though what? The shadow of war has Balrogs living in mordor when only Durins Bane was known to survive the first age and that a new ring of power is going to be forged?
If people are pointing to the black character saying 'its destroying Tolkien's lore' WHEN the last game already did that AND when there are far worse lore breaking aspects of this trailer.... then these people are hypocrites. If you're prepared to play these games when they have characters and plot points that WRECK Tolkien's lore... yet declare a boycott of the game because 'OMFG BLack there is a black character' THEN cut the shit... you don't care about Tolkien's lore. If you did you would have boycotted the last game AND you would have mentioned the WORSE things that contradict Tolkien's lore in this trailer.
These people fixated on the black character are as bad as the SJW's. When political agenda affects the playable content of a video game I can get on board with a boycott BUT to attack a game that is already considered non canon just because a character is black.... that's complete bullshit. If shadow of war has good game play then the developers did nothing wrong because the game is declared non cannon. So could all these triggered losers grow up?
+ Don'tHateMe CauseYou'reWrong
You know when you go for the player instead of the ball you no longer play the game. Personal attacks come from feelings, arguments come from facts. Thus SJW's make personal attacks - they don't want to play the game... make the argument because they suck.
Nothing I said came from feeling I was just pointing out the facts. ]
Your response was completely emotional. You are a triggered loser, go to a safe space and clam down.
Well I loved it for the story. Even though it is fan fiction.
AtheistBulldozer I thought you don't return from the dead as a wraith, but you just become a wraith after you die. And why wouldn't elves be able to become as wraiths?
+Logan Sanders
because elves don't die in the same way that humans do.
AtheistBulldozer have you Even played the ducking the game. He didn't return as a wraith celebrimbor did and chose him. And why can't there be these creatures. Maybe we kill all of them and that's why they aren't in the next movies
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A kettle! In the kettle! Two mice! Squeak-squeaky!
WE WUZ SONS OF GONDOR N SHEEEEEEEEEEIT
This looks and sounds INCREDIBLE!!! What a trailer. Can't wait to play, the first one was amazing this one looks and sounds just as good, I'm sure I will love it!
Thank the lords there's something good in this wave of comments.
WE WUS KANGS in Gondor....
I think the reason everyone is pissed about the black dude is because we know why he's there. No one likes it when you just throw a black guy in a movie or game (especially a LOTR game where there really aren't black people in the lore... at all) so you can say it's diverse. And it's so fucking obvious. Same thing with the new star wars movies. Just us knowing why they're there is what's so infuriating.
I agree with you about the Star wars movie, but I think that saying that everybody knows why he is there is absolute bullshit. The thing is that we DONT know why he is there we DONT know his part in the story and how he got into Gondor. And saying that there are no blacks in the whole Arda. There were no blacks in the LotR but there might be some blacks in the Arda and one of them could get to Gondor somehow as I said who knows
Rymit .Merth You don't understand what I said. That character was put in the game for reasons other than to further the story. They made a black character to appease sjws and to say the cast is diverse. No other reason they did it. Same thing with Rogue One.
***** Ok i get it now, but still think its an insane piece of critisism. one black guy isnt going to change anything in the game gameplay-wise, so the best thing you can do is to laugh at them trying to force it, because at the at of the day nobody, who is creating the game gives a shit about addition of one black character and peoples outrage on it
Rymit .Merth I honestly don't really give a fuck about it, but I understand the people that are upset with it.
Sam Jackson was in star wars & he got his way and got a purple light saber.
HOL UP!
WE WUZ ELVES N'SHIET!
Svafnir ᛟ That had me weak.
Svafnir ᛟ I didn't know /pol/ was here
90% of the comments concerning the black guy are made by people saying we are giving way too much attention to the black guy, if you take away all their comments then there really is only a few comments bashing SoW for putting him in the game. If you don't want it to be a big issue then don't blow it up by saying "Wow so many people are talking about one black guy, its not lore breaking jeez", the people commenting this shit do more than the actual haters.
This was totally unexpected and fucking awesome! And it's coming out in 6 months! Fuck yes!
Im sorry, could someone tell me what this video is tolkien about?
"The Haradrim, known in Westron as the Southrons and once as the "Swertings" by Hobbits, were a race of Men from Harad in the region of Middle-earth directly south of Gondor. Before that, in the First Age, ""the Atani from whom the Haradrim descended were known as Black Men."" A part of the histories of the Westlands is given to the fierce people who in the Second and the Third Age of the Sun, came from the hot deserts and forests of sunlands, which lay in the South of Middle-earth. These people were ruled by many and lords, until in time Sauron the Maia corrupted them and called them to war."
As for those complaining about female soldiers in The Lord of the Rings lore. Look up Éowyn.
Ah, I see WB's marketing strategy. They put a black guy into the mix so everyone talks about him, and then they get away with the double deluxe editions and the microtransactions. Clever.
zeting aw that's what I thought that nobody noticed there are two more versions of the game next to the standard.
Finally someone was able figure out WB's evil plan. Put a minority in there to incite the ongoing petty war between SJWs and Anti-SJW's on the internet so can they slip their bullshit deluxe editions and microtransactions into the game without much resistant. Clever plan indeed lol.
So, just anyone can walk into that volcano forge eh? Maybe put a gate on the cave entrance. Maybe this is a place that ought to be guarded.
Man if they did that, I think the LOTRS would of had a different ending to it.
Cody Sharpe it was inactive for roughly 2000 years, so probably nobody bothered
I haven't gotten around to playing the first game yet, but if what I"m remembering correctly about when the series is supposed to be set and just when it's taking place, this would be *after* Sauron originally lost the One Ring during the War of the Last Alliance....in other words, this would be when Gondor is still pretty close to the height of it's power and still has a pretty firm grip over Mordor if not total control over it. At least the first game is taking place in that period anyway, the plot of the first game is kicked off by Sauron's forces returning to Mordor and starting to retake it from the Gondorian rangers and forces keeping guard over it.
So in other words, Sauron wouldn't really be able to control or restrict access to anyone who wants to go in or out of Mount Doom.
This game ages like wine
Every year man, lowkey getting better for me. It’s cemented itself in the lotr for me (as non canon) that I really enjoy the spin of the story.
People don't be stupid. Nowhere in Tolkien's books/lore is it written "There are no Africans in Middle Earth". You're just looking for reasons to cry about it. Minorities are usually left out of descriptions. If I said that the Russian army consists of white-skinned men, does that translate to "No single black exists in the Russian army"? If you think there were no blacks in European lore at that time then you haven't heard about black knights in England such as Sir Morren and Alessandro de Medici, historical duke of Florence, who was black. Also a black man in the Russian empire was Abram Petrovich Gannibal. You don't hear about these men in European history but they existed! The developers of this game have the right to include or add characters of note to the lore, and he happens to be black.
Just because you never heard of them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Racistsss
uh..actually..there is no mention of african-like cultures in any of the books...so there is the problem.. you see... numenorians, elves, dwarves, haradrim, rhun, orcs. all the races are already mentioned in the books..there isn't a black human population in tolkien's works. this is why ppl are complaining, cuz it's anti lore. no person can be born black out of two white parents, therefore it's lorebreaking and and sad attempt at forced diversity
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Nowhere is it mentioned in the books that another blue ring was formed to fight the first ring. And no where is it mentioned that there was a goblin called Ratbag. There's no problem there. It;'s just simple logic for a non-canon game.
+Mexican Borracho fuck off
Regardless of whatever arguments for or against the inclusion of a black character are being used, I have yet to see a single racist comment. Simply because one objects to the inclusion does not make that person racist. You clearly acknowledge this when you attack the argument, that no African cultures were described in Middle Earth.
That is not a racist argument, it's an argument that the inclusion of a black character is inconsistent with the lore of the series. You might think this a bad argument, and that's fine. But to call this racism is disingenuous.
I miss the hype for this game. I pray for another
I have a serious question: will we be able to import our runes and/or capitans from Shadow of Mordor? Because i went and branded every single capitan, in both normal game, and Lord of the Hunt.
One of 10 Best games ever on ps4 or x box generation shadow of war we weill talion back bring mee celebrimbor back
Now that is wonderful.
Just bringing back good ole memories watching these awesome SOW trailers patiently waiting for the next game.
Brown skinned and Dark skinned humans are in Middle-Earth. The Easterlings are the brown skinned people and the Haradrim are the Dark skinned people.
As an ebony person and Tolkien fan it brings me pain to see how the Lord of the Rings fan base is treating this one character. Using words like "politically correct" or "he shouldn't exist".
I almost don't want to consider myself part of the Middle-Earth fan base if half of it is going to be closed minded. Basically what I'm saying think before your talk because your not the only skin tone that likes Tolkien's world of Eä/Arda.
I read and watch many historical Asian books/movies/games, as well as many Asian mythological movies/games . Guess what? All the characters in them are Asian, and there's no random white guy shoed in for diversity. It doesn't bother me at all that they don't have white people (my race) in their movies/games etc, because it wouldn't make any sense.
It doesn't bother me that there's a black person in the game, it bothers me because a black person replaced a Gondorian officer (important to note that he was wearing important looking armor and was featured in the trailer meaning he's going to be in the main story) in the game in a specific way to make a political statement and/or to avoid being accused of racism.
In LotR's lore, "Men of the west" are based on Europeans, Haradrims/Easterlings are based on middle easterners and the moors. There were tribes FAAAAR out from the conflict that were briefly described as dark skinned and under the control of Sauron.
Why not have the actual dark skinned people described by Tolkien in the game? Is it because having black people be allies of Sauron and villians in the game would be racist?
Draconic Selene A lot of Asian movies I've seen do have Caucasian people in it both fictional Asian movies like The Great Wall, The Forbidden Kingdom and 47 Ronan etc... and historical movies like The Last Samurai, The Flower Wars, and The Deceivers etc...
But you've missed the point all together, Middle Earth isn't a Caucasian world it is diverse, full of races. And to compare Middle Earth to Asian films is low because there both different. Also your wrong about Caucasian people not being in Asian films both historical and fiction.
And it shouldn't bother you if there is a fictional character in a fictional world with a skin tone that's just a little darker than yours. And a black person didnt replace a Gondorian officer there are no black people and there are no white people in Middle Earth. Only the children of Erú Illuvitar, Elves and Men.
Good if he's in the main story I can't wait to learn more about him and fight side by side with him.
There's no such this as political statement there is only right and there is only wrong no in between. And it was right to put him in the story sense Tolkien never said that a dark skinned human couldn't be a Gondorian.
Yeah I know the West is Europe and I know the Haradrim are Africa and Easterlings are Middle Easterns. But by that statement you made is a political correct statement because Tolkien said many times that his stories are not allegorical it is not right allegory to the real world.
They might describe the man in the game, you haven't played it you don't know. Give it a chance, if your going to rant over a game just because a fictional character in a fantasy world in a video game has a skin tone that is a little darker than your on then by definition your blind and misguided by color. I won't say that your racist because I don't know but you are strange to talk this way.
Middle earth isn't Earth. There are Europeans (men of the the west) there are Haradrim/Easterlings (Based on Arabs/Moors/Mongols), elves, hobbits, dwarfs, and orcs. Sure, there might be some far off land where black skin color exists, but it makes no sense for there to be an officer in the Gondorian army. It's essentially the equivalent of there being an African officer in the British Empire in the 1500s before they'd even discovered Africa, as in it wouldn't happen. Also, you're acting like this is Star Wars or some such fiction. Middle Earth is a stand in for European (primarily Anglo) Mythology, would you expect to see Asians running around in Greek Mythology?
Harad is not Africa, it is Arabia/North Africa (Far Harad is what you're thinking of, which is indeed where darker skin "half trolls" described by Tolkien live) and the Easterlings are Mongols/Eurasia. I'm not aware of any region described by Tolkien that would be Africa other than an undiscovered one further south of Far Harad.
You are aware that most of those films you listed were produced in Hollywood, right? (I watch actual Asian produced films) Also, they're all either historical or given legitimate reasons as to why they would be in that setting. For example, the character in the Last Samurai and The Flower Wars are based on real life people and events..there's a Caucasian there in the movie because there was one there in real life. In the Great wall there character was either a trader or an explorer, both reasons work fine as thousands of whites traveled to China for these reasons during the time period (I didn't watch this).
It won't bother me at all if the black character in the game is explained with back story and given an interesting reason why he's in the game and an interesting role that would make sense (like a tribal leader of a tribe that migrated to the area around morder to escape orc raiding parties or something? idk)
The problem is that it's unlikely that it's the case, seeing as he was very prominently featured fighting as a Gondorian soldier.
Nice to see you implying that I'm a racist just because I think the devs did it for political reasons, which is fairly obvious- it's been happening in many other AAA titles recently so companies can avoid being called "racist" because of the current political climate. I don't care about politics, I don't want them in my games.
I'm not a racist, I'd be just as annoyed if this were a game based on African Mythology and there were random white people as tribe leaders or something, lol.
But whatever, we'll see who was right once the game comes out, I hope you enjoy the game- it looks pretty awesome.
I know Middle Earth isn't Earth but you contradict yourself when you said Middle Earth is a stand in for Europe last I checked Europe is on the Earth. Talk instead me times that his stories or not allegorical yes it may seem like the men of the west are the Europeans and the Easterlings are arabs/mongols and Haradrim are Africans/Indians but that just isn't the case. Tolkien avoid his stores like the Lord of the rings to be an allegory of World War I, originally Tolkien wrote his stories to be a mythological tale of Europe but he changed that Idea.
You fooled yourself dude lol you said "Harad is not Africa, it is Arabia/North Africa" you said its North Africa, so yes Harad is Africa it doesn't matter it is North, South, East, West or Central. Africa is still Africa so yes the Harad are African and have dark skin. People of the Arabia have dark skin as well but not only that the moors and berbers are African.
Yes I know those are Hollywood films and I know The Last Samurai and The Flower Wars are based off real life events, I told you that. However The Great Wall is fiction because Dragons don't exist.
If it didn't bother you that there is a dark skinned person in a fictional video game then you never would have commented in the first place.
I actually never implied as a matter of fact I said I didn't know if you are on or not so get your facts straight. There is no such thing as political reasons there is only good and there is only bad no neutral. And it was good to put him in the game, it brakes no written law or written code by Tolkien standards only your standards for some reason. But lucky it's not up to you.
Yeah I'm done with this conversation.
North Africa is not populated by Africans, it's populated by Arabs- therefore Harad being Arab/Moorish totally stands to reason- so no, I didn't fool myself, you're lacking knowledge of world demographics did.
Middle Earth is not an Allegory of WW1, where are the parralels? Yes, Morder was inspired by what he saw in the trenches, but certainly not the plot.
Nice, trying to imply I'm racist again, typical- even though I clearly said I was bothered because of a station as a Gondorian soldier, not because he's black. If he was being portrayed correctly, I wouldn't care.
Very passive aggressive response from you, not that I'm surprised. Have a pleasant life.
85% of the comments are complaining about black people in middle earth
15% of the comments are here to actually enjoy this badass trailer
Please don't suck please don't suck...
Gotta love how all these "diehard fans" dont say shit about Celebrimbor being able to use the one ring, Talion, the creation of another "one" ring, BUT A BLACK GUY? HOLY SHIT THATS WAY TOO FAR. THIS GAME IS TOTALLY SHITTING ON TOLKIEN'S LORE!!! OMFG!!! ONE SINGLE BLACK GUY!!!
Renzo Calarota It's the truth! Not to mention the balrog and ring wraiths can fly? Yet they still focus on the black dude, who could have been from the far south where the people are described as having dark skin. .
its multicoulturalisim bieng crammed down everyones throat
wow your even worse than SJWs
obviously there are no balrogs in saurons army by the the time of LORT because the game protagonist killed them all.
haha IKR? but that one black guy? now the deus have gone too far lol
Please add a difficulty slider/make it harder this time around, the previous game was waaay too easy if you were experienced with Arkham combat. I almost never died and as a consequence never generated any cool nemesis. Excited about this one, hope you get it right again :)
Agreed.
dark souls difuculty plz
They have added so you can choose betwen easy normal and hard
Good news from the future
I fell in love with the previous game and I can't wait for this one to release.
The Nemesis system is brilliant!
Looks like there's a new Dark lord in town.
I just want a remake or remaster of Lord of the Rings Conquest. Is that so much to ask for?
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WHat. That game was terrible, the combat and gameplay was very boring. Still waiting on remakes of the original movie games or bfme
For a long time there was no game wich I could wait that much. But now there is Shadow of War. This, is awasome.
we should build a reactor around Tolkien's grave at this point, cause he's spinning faster than the speed of light.
Are people really freaking out because there was a black dude in the trailer? Seriously grow the fuck up, it's not the end of the world. I personally can't stand SJWs and the Regressive Left but you anti-SJWs (and/or Alt-Right) can be just as whiney and bitchy as them at times. It's really getting annoying. Can't you just be happy that we are getting a sequel to Middle-Earth: Shadow Of Mordor?
By the way, there are black people in Middle-Earth. If you watch some of the films you can catch a few on screen. There aren't many but they do exist.
I will be angry if they try to pass him off within the Dunedain/Numenorian ethnic group. Or hold a position within the Dunedain chain of command. There are no black Dunedain! There are black/light skinned appearing humans that occur in the areas of far and near Harad, and some in the far east; however to occur in what appears to be a shoe-in role to satisfy some sort of diversity requirement goes against canon! I am a stickler for the lore, and I have all the books.
Link Scott it looks like theres gonna be alot against lore here... so its not gonna suprisr me if he is for example like tauriel, commander of the guard or some shit.
Link Scott trailer shows a second ring of power and you are whinning about a black character.....
Francisco Velásquez and a balrog
Ghostly Bird
Is that the best you got?
MESoM my first pc game when buy my Pc, my intro to the new generation in gaming, apothosic visual, masterful sound and cinemátics, a special place in my heart so amazing game. So many memories. Kind occupy, little late but I will buy this one too.
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Are you trying to do hood speak, or warhammer ork speak?
2022... Can we please have a sequel. Shadow of Mordor /war is my favorite games ever.
No the story ended
@@MikeTheGreek It ended on a cliff hanger + there is plenty of other stories to tell in in middle earth with this gameplay
@@alumlovescake even though there's many stories to tell like you said WB most probably won't make another one. If they do it's gonna be a w0ke filled game with mtx and being a live service game provided by Sweetbaby or someone else related to it
Goddamn Hype! I wanna own an orc army!
Racist.
One of my favourite games, thanks guys.
Really underrated.
TROY BAKER is SAVAGE as fuuuck!!!!
Why do you all care? I love Tolkien's work and I don't care there is a black guy. It's non-canon. Like Durin's Bane was the last balrog, but here one is. A new ring of power, a man coming back from death, and an elf being a wraith all go against Tolkein's work. Hell, even Sauron being physical is bs. BUT WHO CARES?!?! You will get to fight legions of orcs, trolls, a balrog, Nazgūl, the witch king, and Sauron as a Gondorian ranger with a ring of power in Mordor. That is like a love letter to Tolkien fans.
Durin's Bane is not the last Balrog, it was never stated how many balrogs survived Morgoth's fall. I think everything they're doing with the wraith and the ring is bullshit, but they're doing it that to try and make their story cool. The only reason to break the plot and add a black guy is to appease the social justice type people that have been taking over gaming recently, and people have a right to be pissed off.
Stark101 15 I agree with you man. I love Lord of the Rings and Hobbit too and I'm extremely appalled by the way people are responding and commenting due to the appearance of a black person. I was hoping to comments that were hyped for this game but instead all I found was criticism, disgusting racist comments, and complaints about how this game ruins the lore. I played the first game and I enjoyed every moment of it and makes me sad to see this much hate.
Absolutely Braggadocious It's just fun though. Without these games, Tolkien wouldn't be getting anymore prime time spotlight.
Stark101 15 Sauron always had a body, it just took him a while to get it back. Gollum describes his body in the book.
this is exactly how i feel, i just want to play the game
even Sauron can't control a balrog and is not powerful enough to do it but if the other guy can he must be as powerful as MORGOTH!!
There better be options for difficulty, because SoM was pretty easy tbh, but it was fucking cool at the same time
A Haradrim group or family moved north. Lore problem solved.
It's that easy, aye. But due to it's oddness I hope it gets some explanation ingame. Would be cool if they built a quest around it, and how it came to pass he ended up in Gondor for some reason. Seems a long shot for a Haradrim to join the Gondorian army, but it would be kinda interesting!
Haradrim are middle-eastern inspired.
Not everything that is not white is black, just so you know.
An Hiro lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Far_Harad
An Hiro Quote from The Return of the King, "He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the luitenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; easterlings with axes; and Variags of Khand, southrons in scarlet, and out of far harad black men like half trolls with white eyes and red tongues."
Is that black guy 'half troll' with 'white eyes?'
Then even if I'm wrong it's still inaccurate.
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As a huge, huge Middle Earth lore nern (let's compare our favorite characters from Silmarillion level nerd), I am perfectrly fine with all of this.
Taking the lore as the starting point and making a new, pretty interesting story, with the freedom of not having to contain yourself in the setting (a.k.a. whatever you do, it must return to status quo because Lord of the Rings) - this is a really nice way of adapting the setting to a video game. At this point all of the canon is pretty old, familiar and loved as it is, and it's not like there is going to be more of it. So making a blockbuster level high quality fanfiction, that treats the setting with understanding and respect is great!
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Finally! Been waiting for this... looks great! One minor point... I hope the black dude being featured has a contextual reason to be there as it doesn't look consistent with Tolkienian lore and I'd hate to think you guys are compromising the integrity of the world for a cheap SJW diversity inclusion...
Robyn The entire trailer shits all over lore. The black guy makes no difference
Yes it stinks of politically correct appeasement - I just want there to be context and narrative integrity. If they chuck it out to please SJWs then meh... cheapens the whole show,
not wanting africans in a game based on european mythology? what are you a racist?
I can say...I have all the songs they used for the trailer and I must say...the mixing is freaking epic! Is there a place I can download it? :3
we wuz hobbits n sheeit.
Lol
I really don't want to be that guy, but I take it this is basicaly a alternate Middle Earth now, since, you know, there was not a second ring forged? Because either this ends with Talon ded and the ring ded, or this is going to be a massive detour.
I mean I'm cool with it mind. Using a Ring Of Power to go up against the lord of darkness? Sign me up.
Man, I don't give 2 shits if whatever race, color or gender was in tolkien's books or not. What I care abouyt is the EXTRA WEAPON OF MASS DEATH/EARLY WAR. (:
Kylestien See I think the fact that the series is noncannon is great because it allows them to do things like make new rings of power. Some say its shitting on the lore, not, it's building new stories in a world while leaving Tolkien's original work alone.
Did anyone noticed Gollum at 00:24 to te left "sneaking"? :)
Let's have a real final boss this time, okay Monolith?
Oh we did
I don't know whats worse, the people bitching about LOTR lore or the people bitching about one character's skin color. Either way the comments are cancer
jokerhalo1 I couldn't agree more with you man.
jokerhalo1 preach it haha
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Gollum is lurking XD
Where did the black guy come from
It's like seeing a zebra in New York
He likely came from Harad as the people there were described as dark skinned in the books. Or they could possibly be from the far east or the north as those areas were never described much.
oh my god you're all such fucking idiots. elves, dragons, dwarves sure, but BLACK PEOPLE?!?
like jesus fucking christ
Don't get me wrong this series has been beating down and raping the lore without lube since the first rumour about the first game. Men coming back from death? Elven wraiths? Yeah those are both only the tip of the ice berg but both are far bigger crimes than a black man among Gondorian troops.
But that's beyond the point about what you wrote, because I just want to say how stupid that argument is. It's exactly like SJW saying "You have no problem with Dragons and zombie armies yet rape MUST be part of story cause realism" when talking about ASOIAF/GoT.
It's not not about realism, it's about the world the author created. Tolkien wrote about elves, dwarfs and dragons within Middle-earth but not about straight up black people beyond small mentions of people far from the borders of Middle-earth that got even darker skin than those dark men (dark as in evil) in Harad and Rhûn who most take as being more Turkic and Middle-eastern in complexion.
So within the realm of Middle-Earth, yes. A black man out of nowhere is abnormal while elves, dwarfs and dragons are not. Because that how the world was described and built by it's creator.
+DaongSwe nah see, that argument is pathetic because unless Tolkien specifically stated 'all humans are white skinned, as are all elves, all dwarves etc' then you see how stupid it is to complain about a black person??
Like get your head out of your arse, if you seriously think Tolkien would have cared or made as much of a fuss as half the people here are you're deluded. There is literally no harm in including diversity in fiction.
And if you absolutely NEED to explain it to yourself for it to make sense, why can't your mind just be "oh, whoever that character is, they obviously originate from some distant land, but they're here now." like...what is so difficult about that?