"Why do people burn books in Sweden?" 🤔 I mean, some come here to do it. Which leads to the question 'Why here, and not somewhere else?' Because they can do it here, without risking anything. It's allowed to do it. The next question of course is 'How come Sweden allows that?' Because of the law that gives us freedom of expression. That law has a heavy weight in the lawbook in Sweden. OK. That's why. But... If you need permission from the Police to do that kind of "protests", WHY CAN'T THE POLICE DENY PERMISSION? Because the moron that wants to burn that book won't be breaking any law. That is what I want to be changed. When the LOCATION, CIRCUMSTANCES and LIKELIHOOD of CAUSING ILLEGAL CONTRA PROTESTS is TOO HIGH SHOULD in my mind be good enough to deny permission.
Well, clearly religions have caused more harm. But I don't think it's actually about the burning. Burning the book is simply a tool to incite hate and violence.
If this happened with any other religion, no one would care. The problem is with Islam. It needs to adapt to the 21st century. And anyone living in a free society with freedom of opinion needs to respect the laws.
Eh Judaism is a religion and burning their sacred scripts would be associated with Nazis burning books. Islam is not the only that have a past or that have been highjacked by fanatics. Christian germans supported Hitler, he betrayed "our" religion.
I really don’t understand why people get so upset!! It’s a book !! No one gets hurt. How many chistians would really care that much if someone burnt a bible in, say Rome? It’s the reaction that’s the really insane thing.
Well that doesnt mean the other thing (book burning, like the nazi scums did) is ok, especially when they threaten swedish citizens and hurts our country. I am against all religions because none of them is a good religion, but showing your hate towards certain religions like some nazi scum is just f****d up. Its not the burning thats wrong, its WHY it happens and what message these retards that do it want to convey.
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Lived in Sweden all my life, and I don't like book burning, but I fully support the right to do it, it's fundamental to our secular society. I am more worried about the violent reactions from those offended. The violent reaction is what's new and need to change. The ones who react violently because they are offended are in the wrong. Edit: For the sake of honesty and clarity I want to let everyone know this is from the perspective of a 36 year old gay guy who has seen our lives get more unsafe for me and my boyfriend from the same people who react violently to these burnings. Edit 2: I ask that you put yourself in me and my boyfriends shoes. Imagine having lived in a country that you had to leave because the state and society think you should die because you are gay, because their religion says you are scum. They have parties where they throw gays from roofs and everyone celebrates in the streets. Now imagine living in a secular country that accepts that some people love each other, even if they are the same sex, and then years later, this country you live in suddenly defend the group that you escaped that want to kill you because you love someone of the same sex. Left, right, middle, it doesn't matter. They defend the people who think you should be killed. That is the fear me and my boyfriend live with. The shit places that want us dead have now come to Sweden, and their views are being normalized because "acceptance". This has gotten worse and worse. Second generation, third generation, it does not matter. They are born into more hate and violence from their parents and peers. Swedes think this changes just because someone moves to Sweden they suddenly become secular and accepting. This is not how things work. It's a nightmare and no one wants to talk about it. All the love and hugs.
I think the individual burn those books to show how such a little thing can trigger and turn people violent. Sort of like "showing their true colors". And I'm on the same line as you, I would not burn those books, But I like to think I understand why, and also I think it's in their rights to do so.
These are in dead the hard questions that are more comfortable to just look the other way at than actually address. I don't want to side with those who hate immigrants or people of other cultures or skin colors, I know many great people who are immigrants or the kids of immigrants. Several of the best workers and nicest people at my work place are in that demographic. But it can't be denied that some statistics, like the increase in hate crime and honor related violence, has some correlation to the rising number of immigrants. Through my family and my education I know loads of people who work in schools, and most of them agree that 20 years ago they hardly had nay trouble in schools relative to how it its today. Kids that have been raised in homes where domestic violence is norm, it's totally OK to beat someone to an inch of their life for saying something that offended you etc., that can't accumulate to what life in Sweden entails, and who has learned to play the "I'm not while and everyone is racist towards me" card to get out of anything with authorities. No matter if you have 15 eye witnesses that say they saw them kick a guy in the groin and steal his wallet, they'll just claim everyone is ganging up on them because they are brown or Muslim or whatever and far too often they'll get away with it as well.
@@monyfornow I agree, the right to burn it as a political action in front of the Riksdagshus, an embassy or similar should be protected. The right to burn it in front of a mosque or a residential area should be stopped or limited.
My intention with this video is to educate people on what is going on in Sweden with protest laws. Also I misspoke when I said get back into Nato. I meant to say get into Nato.
Whenever someone burns a symbol in the public square - be it a Swedish flag, a "holy" book, a swastika or whatever - the public reaction really should be "who cares", regardless of whether one's trigger points are being provoked. Quran burnings are neither "vile" acts, nor are they violent. They're just provocative, and that alone is never a good reason to close doors to freedom of expression. In my humble opinion, as long as burning Qurans is going to spark these kinds of violent and threatening reactions by easily offended fundamentalists throughout the Muslim world, the incentives to keep burning them are just getting stronger, despite my non-existent intrerest in book burnings.
Very good comment. In fact, I don't even necessarily see why these acts are considered provocative. As an individual, I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions. That does not infringe upon your rights. You may just walk away if you happen to be in the vicinity of my demonstration!
@@andreas3864 Thank you. Yeah, I hear you. However, I can at least sympathize with the fact that people's feelings get stirred up on a foundational level when their holy cows are being lambasted in this manner. That of course doesn't have an impact on whether the act should be legal or not. It's also very telling that some of these easily offended people burn Pride flags in the streets as a response, as if the Pride community had anything to do with the recent quran burnings. So much for respecting people's "holy" virtues and symbols.
@@robinbackrud89 Usually the word "sympathize" is responded with in order to indicate that people like me possibly lack sympathy. I exaggerated a bit but for a good reason I believe. Also, I was thinking "unreasonably provocative" from a societal standpoint. Of course you can view expressions as provocative to varying levels. You have an option though... Walk away or refrain from being present. Again, a person's entitled to his or her own mental processes and opinions, no matter how offensive some individual or group might find this. If you wanna try and lecture me about tolerance and/or sympathy, what about the case in many Islamic countries with an absolutely horrendous record on human rights then? Are those countries doing anything about that? PS: by the way, didn't claim that you claimed I was unsympathetic. Just for the record!
@@andreas3864 My response was poorly articulated and sloppy. We are in total agreement and I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you lack empathy. I basically just meant that I recognize (not sympatize with) that these kind of acts clearly provoke a significant amount of the population. Hence, they are indeed provocative, at least for a large number of people. Whether they really should be considred provocative in any rational sense, again, I think we are in total agreement.
@@robinbackrud89 First of all I'm the one that expressed myself sloppily. Worth noting the difference between sympathy and empathy. Other people might continue to claim a lack of sympathy even when they now mention empathy as a pathetic response. In fact, people are focused on Sweden for mere political reasons whereas the Supreme Court of the US has simply concluded that there's "effectively no hate speech". You don't think that any Quran is being burned in country with 350 M people, regardless of how much publicity it receives? Is the SCOTUS or the US unsympathetic too? Also a fact that many people participating in the 2022 riots where there simply to commit violence. Vast majority of people, the average, don't really have a significant emotion and have been taught to react a certain way. Obviously some are tangibly provoked, but they then have to learn the free and democratic way of living by simply walking away, and allowing others to decide over their own thoughts and opinions.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" i think they guys burning the books are just assholes wanting attention, but baning stuff like this is a slippery slope. besides would other countries change behaviours that we find offensive ?
This IS offensive! The only reason for doing this is to offend people. If he wants to speak out agains Islam then by all means do. Burning a koran outside a moské is all about hate and sweden should adjust its laws so that things like this is considered a crime. Being allowed does not reflect the values that Sweden stands for
@@mackan7086 there is alredy laws for this, its up to the courts to decide. "förargelseväckande beteende / hets mot folkgrupp" he could be charged with those but its still his right to burn the book. i dont like it and i dont agree with him . but its still a veary important right
@mackan7086 jag skrev en lång replik. Men den publicerades inte. Antar att du blockade mig. Helt i linje med din avsaknad av förståelse av yttrandefrihet. Hur du skriver "is" i versaler varvid det bildar akronymen "IS" illustrerar även det utmärkt väl vad för slags mindset du har. Din vana att benämna alla yttringar du inte gillar som "hat" visar dessutom på din toxiska personlighet. Jag hatar få saker och nästan inga människor. Definitivt inte de obetydliga och uppblåsta. "Idiot" var rent deskriptivt och avsett att på ett enkelt sätt förklara varför jag avstod från att debattera. Jag tar mig förbi blockeringar, långnäsa där blev det för din belåtenhet över det.
When Rasmus toured Sweden before the election no one cared. There were no protests from other countries, no ambassadors getting called up to explain. Then Erdogan needed to divert peoples opinions of his politics, and Rasmus burning the Quoran outside Turkies embassy gave him that diversion, and he blew it up as a huge issue.
Freedom of the press is based on freedom of expression and speech - a cornerstone of most democracies. In 1766, Sweden became the first country in the world to write freedom of the press into its constitution.
And having established that freedom of the press, all those centuries ago, "they" then proceed to consistently deceive you, since you still think it holds. I've lived in several countries, and Sweden contains the most naïve people with the most echo-chambery press, this side of North Korea. Swedes are so far back in the darkness, the light switch is simply out of reach. Good luck, you're going to need it.
@@MegaBabyGrace jag har läst jättemånga böcker, och håller just på att läsa en till. När jag har läst dem så ger jag bort dem, eller så bränner jag upp dem (har ingen plats i rummet, men plenty i huvudet). Trots detta hajar jag inte vad ditt budskap är häromnyssens?
I think there is a few things to say about this. First, the constitution always overrule other laws. Second is that there are laws against hatecrime (towards people) but there is no blasphemy laws. That means that you can criticise religions but you can’t do hatecrimes against its believers (and that is for all religions.. remeber we are not cristians. There is no state religion in sweden). So if people say why do the government allow this? Well the government is not allowing it. In fact it is not up to the government. Laws is decided by the parliment not the government. And to change a constitution in sweden there has to be two national votes between each decision to change the constitution. Next thing is that each authority in sweden is under the law, it is not under the government. They are all independet. The government is financing the authorities and gives them general directions, but it is actually illigal for a minister to interfere with an authority. So the government can’t tell the police to stop the burning of any book. And the police has to follow the rules. And even if there is a decision due to risks to bane fires the constitution overrules it if it is a freedom of speech. So the judges has to decide if this is a matter of freedome of speech or not. And they can’t just dicedie that themself, they have to use exactly what the laws and constitution sais to decide if it is or not. So other countries is wondering why the governemt allows this or don’t stop it.. well they don’t allow it and if they try to stop it they are breaking the laws and will be prosecuted. Of cours Russia is using this as much as they can. A lot if those who protest dislike NATO as well. The easiest way to stop these burnings would be to allow sweden into NATO, then they have no need to burn books as the reason is to interfere with Turkeys decision.
True. But this gentleman is not burning his own book for his own reasons. He's burning the book as a tool in a planned, malicious act for the purpose of inciting hatred and violence. That's slightly different. But I agree that there appears to be a very small but loud minority in the Muslim community who don't understand or pretend not to understand that they do NOT have a right to complain about people engaging in lawful action just because they don't like said actions.
If you follow the law (which you do if you if you express your opinion by burning *your own book*) you should be protected by the police from other people who wish you harm, just like all other citizens. Those who exert violence are breaking the law and should be prosecuted. Period
The funny thing is that firstly, to be able to burn these books they have to buy them from Islamic organisations and are thereby supporting those with money. Secondly the only people that gets any benefits out of this is the Islamic organisations that gets a lot of attentions and Russia that does whatever they can to provoke split and strife among the EU and NATO countries! I would bet a god sum that "Rasmus" either get quite a lot of money from the Islamic community and Russia or he just revels in his 15 minutes of fame that it gives him being a completely innocent but very stupid puppet furthering the Islamic and Russian agendas! Nothing in history gives religious organisations so much power as to be able to point out imagined or actual persecution!
Who benefits the most of this actions? Doesn't have to be a genius to see that. Since Erdogan is as thin skinned as Trump it's maybe a good way of keeping Sweden out of Nato. I bet Vladimir is in awe about it.
as a member of the LGBT-community i can understand the disregard against islam the church of sweden hade progressed pretty much in the last couple of decades, same sex marriage is accepted and we even had homosexual bishops in the council islam are still in the 19th century when it comes to their LGBT+ Values and also of womens equality if islam will progress and become more inclusive im highly confident that these types of actions will decrease rapidly
Burning books is just plain stupid, nothing to gain from it. But on the other hand, believing in some kind of god creature, is just equally stupid. really wish they'd stop doing both those stupidities.
I'm atheist/agnostic but I have no problems with any religion existing. There might be people who uses religion for bad purposes, but religion it self when used for good and for a sense of community and to guide people who need it I am totally fine with. As such I wish these individuals who are burning Qurans would stop and be more accepting. However I also support freedom of speech and expression. People might be offended, but as long as they are not physically harming anyone, they should be in their right to express themselves. Conversely if a Muslim would like to burn a Bible outside a Church, that is a right they should have. Not being religious myself I am of course not the best person to offer guidance, since I am not personally affected either way by the burning of any religious text.
they bought their own books and burned them. it is their own decision to do that and it is their right to destroy it no matter if it is a bible /quoran/phonebook or whatever. and paludan is both swedish and danish.
Just like most other countries, Sweden has tried to make altering the constitution hard. So laws regarding this are unlikely to change soon. Also, I believe this is a situation where the constitution contradicts itself. It protects people from harassment because of their religion, as well as it protects freedom of speech. This will hopefully in the end be decided by the supreme court. Also, while the police can't really stop people from burning the Koran, they are allowed to decide where it will happen, and in some cities the police force has done that. So when Rasmus wanted to burn a Koran outside a mosque, they decided that he would instead burn a Koran in some parking lot in the countryside.
Actually, the legality of these demonstrations also defends the rights of those offended to believe in whatever they believe. It does however not defend their seemingly perceived right to beat up whomever they feel insulted their religious sentiments.
AFAIK, it is legal to burn books in a lot of western countries including the US. The reason it is being done in Sweden in particular is because we have had a lot of immigration in the last decade. The integration has so far failed resulting in violence, crime and protests.
People of any religion realized or came to realize that this was just a provocation and they stopped protest and rioting against police and Paludan. In Uppsala, when he was here, our mosque told their members to stay at home or go about their own lives. Not much happened. Also the police tried new ways to silent the situation. Paludan were to appear on a square and the police had scheduled their yearly conference to be the same day in the building next to the square. Erdogan with his agenda is the only one that now react has if he owns the swedish population. There were swedish-kurds that burned a doll of Erdogan in Stockholm and Erdogan got furious and said that these people need to be arrested... the conversation between him and the swedish government explaining how the justice system has almost nothing to with them would be great to hear. He is mad and need to be stopped, the fact that Nato is in alliance with "his" Turkey is outrageous. Human rights or mobilizing against a potential threat from Putins Russia is the question.
If you want to say that some doctrine or other is shit, I reckon it makes sense to say it to those following said doctrine and in the place where they're at? The idea (in Rasmus' case) however is obviously to illustrate how poorly followers of this one specific doctrine understand the very basis of the democracy they live in and thrive from. Me personally, obviously not saying all or even a majority of the followers of this religion do not understand. Must say though that Rasmus probably succeeds with his ambition as a big enough number of whom so readily will shoot themselves in the foot upon any given opportunity.
If you want freedom of expression this is what you must endure. The right to say what you belive in might offend others, but it should never be outlawed. If you think it should then Sweden is not the right place for you. Don’t care if it’s religion, politics or some other sensitive topic.
Sweden is not burning books. Some very few individuals are burning books. I am swede af (going back generations) I don't like the Quran and I feel that all religions should be treated like anything else because religions have a profound influence on people decisions making but I'm not burning any books.
I don't like people doing this kind of provocation as the the protests have a sinister goal behind them. I'll say though, that it makes me a little happy inside that this sort of thing goes so much against interest of the nation. Not that I want sweden to lose diplomatic reputation or become worse, but isn't it the ultimate evidence of freedom when a citizen can do something that completely goes against the nation's interest? That's what makes like a little about it. I don't think many countries in the world would allow an act by a single citizens that harms their own country just for the sake of democracy and freedom.
I´m sure it's allowed in Russia to....and Iran, and in Turkiet, Saudi Arabia, China, N.Korea, Belarus, and hundred of other free countries. Or maybe not....
Do not make an arbitrary claim about specific individuals and their inalienable subjectivity and right to freedom of expression. That this even generates diplomatic issues is the problem, not the individuals. Governments have no business at all when it regards the thoughts and opinions of private people. If they do, they constitute totalitarian states that need to stop acting undemocratically.
He's not from Sweden, he's not our case, and the only reason the police are there is because if we catch him, he's finished! We don't behave like animals, just because you live in Sweden doesn't mean you're Swedish! And we are Christians, and we believe in learning from others, getting along, not judging, not fighting, not killing. So don't judge us by what "NON-SWEDES IN SWEDEN DO"
And NO Swed want´s to join that shitty NATO, we have NOTHING to gain from it. We have all the best in everyting, no country in NATO can provide anything that we need. NATO is like kindergarden, one big kid to rule the others, grow up ! WW3 will end us all, maby it´s time to use that single BRAINCELL ? To evolve and survive we need to communicate and learn from each other, not kill each other. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN !? ANIMALS !
I am a bit critical that more criticism isn't directed at the people going violent over this. Yes we should respect minorities, but let us get real this is a fricken book. You can go all on about how important that book is but the fact of that matter is still that from a secular point of view this is just a bundle of paper being burned. Nobody is expressing that muslims should be attacked, are lesser people, stupid or anything like that. Mocking religion or criticizing religion has a long history with free speech in the West and must be tolerated. If you think burning the Quran is bad, then counter with burning a bible, Swedish flag or whatever. Don't rampage because of it. The burning of the book is the expression of ONE guy not Swedish society. Swedish society should not be punished for one guy burning a book. Big fan of your TH-cam Andrew and of you. I know you want to keep things balanced but really you cannot call burning a book hate crime. I see no reason why any European country should deem that a hate crime. Certainly not a hate crime here in Norway. It is a dangerous precedent to construe mockery of religion as hate crime. In that case we really expand the legal ability to persecute people for speech far beyond what those laws are intended to do. Frankly I am sick and tired of the the need to tip toe around religion, especially Islam. There is no right to not get offended. People must learn to live in societies with free speech, even if that speech is offensive to you. We have already gone very far in accommodating muslim minorities in many European countries. There is give and take. You also got to learn to respect the values of the society you live in. Especially if they have gone far in allowing to to freely practice your religion. Over here we celebrate important muslim days in pre-schools. We make learn about Islam in school. Kids visit mosques. They even did gender segregation of swimming lessons to accomodate muslims demands. We don't serve hotdogs on birthdays to be nice to muslim kids visiting. I think we are doing a lot to be good hosts. Is it really that much to ask that people don't burn down a city because somebody burned a book you love? And maybe what pissed me off isn't muslims. Because many it seems condemn this behavior. Rather it is other Westerners tip toeing around it. We cannot be terrified of being called racist every time something like this pops up. One has to make a firm stand on core principles.
I think you need to add the context of where the books are being burned. It’s either burned in primarily Muslim areas in Sweden or in front of houses of worship. If you want to burn a book in your backyard go for it. The moment you do it in public and have police protection for the soul purpose of building your social media brand, I have a problem with it. I don’t want my taxes going to protecting Rasmus. If he didn’t have protection he wouldn’t do it. This clown has cost Sweden millions of dollars in police costs.
@@AndrewAustin Sure it is stupid thing to do. But you cannot hold him accountable alone. This is only a problem because some people choose to get violent because a book is burned. One cannot absolve those who act out of guilt. That somebody is a dick is not reason to burn down property totally unrelated to guy who carried out the actions. And at some level I can understand the need for some provocations. It is somewhat related to the cartoon drawings. There has long been a chilling effect and self censorship in the West over anything sensitive to muslims to the point where you sacrifice your own principles and values. Recently an art gallery here covered up paining of naked people to not offend muslims. We segregated on gender in in schools in different situations totally against our values and principles. Sometimes a provocation is need to bring forth a debate about what must and must not be tolerated in a secular society. If somebody burns a Quran either turn your back en mass. Write an opinion piece, march in a peaceful demonstration. There are many ways to express dissatisfaction beyond a violent rampage.
@@AndrewAustin Despite being an American and America being the only country that has this, you've misunderstood freedom of expression. If you wanna talk about burning books in private areas like your backyard, it's not freedom of expression anymore, is it? Freedom of expression is constitutionally codified to endow citizens a capability of affecting public opinion; this is freedom of expression. Also, I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions and the absolute right to express these, as long as I don't "incite or produce imminent criminal activity and is likely to do so" (legal precedent Brandenburg v. Ohio). Giving the state arbitrary power of selecting locations for demonstrations is unreasonable. Last. It's not Rasmus Paludan nor anybody else who's done this that has taken tax dollars. The issue lies within a brainwashed element of the population that potentially naïve leftists like you have failed to recognize. Ever seen the LGBTQIA+ even remotely criticize Islam and its views on every person's right to love whomever they want, no because they are miserable hypocrites who only care about fighting the right.
Again, individuals burn books - not the State of Sweden. Freedom has a counterweight called responsibility and that's where it fails here. An individual burns a holy book, but he doesn't take any responsibility for his actions and this is where it goes wrong. We are held responsible for a handful of individuals' deeds and they always attract the attention of media as well. They know they are going to stir up emotions, the know the media are going to follow them and they know the sometimes violent actions from the people they offend are also going to be covered by media. In other words, they are not using the freedom of speech the right way - if they did, they would also take the responsibility for what it causes.
How can you make such an arbitrary claim? Are you to be the judge of another person's subjective perception? Why if they actually believe that burning a holy scripture is the only way to manifest in order to generate the necessary debate about demographical problems? And, last, I do not need to take the slightest responsibility for how other people choose to react to the thoughts and opinions I'm absolutely entitled to express. If you choose to commit a criminal act over it, you ought to be prosecuted.
I totally agree! Burning any bookss is an insult to those who beleive in what´s in the bokks that are burned. Which probably also is the motive for those who want to do it. Some very wise person (I don´t remember who) once said: "Where they burn books, they will sooner or later also burn humans". It makes me think of worldwar 2 when the nazis burned jewish books
You have a lot of details wrong, but I'm not well enough to correct you today. Sweden isn't doing anything. The law is clear, you can burn what you own. They both had permission. Then other people filed complaints, but that hasn't gone to court yet.
Hmm what can i say about this.....but there are now at least eighty people sitting in prison just for the initial protest in Örebro. So he got what he wanted ....don´t you think? But i think it is very stupid of the police to give permission to burn books outside of a moske, thats just bad policing , within the law or not, and especially if you know from the start that you are gonna "punish" them for it afterwards.... Just stupid ....sorry for my ranting.....
I never understood that part of it, that he was given permission to burn it at that spot, and then start an investigation after if he was breaking any laws. Like shouldnt they checked that before they gave him permission? Im abit confused about that whole situation and I feel I must have missed some important detail.
I think you should separate a thing "book" from hate speech, and as a guy who lived here in Sweden for almost all of my life but not born in Sweden a refugee myself from the start. I have seen as a gay Jewish man how it has become unsafe for me with Islam taken over many areas in Sweden, it has gotten so bad that I have had to flee once more in my life and now you are questioning my right of freedom to protest, you know that is not even Islamism that is called communism ofc unless yourself do not like Jewish or gay people, really scary hearing an American take the side of extremism.
Only muslims would react that violently. It is a sensitive and violent culture. Although doing it right outside with the purpose of inciting problems is unethical. Russian interference should also be banned.
th-cam.com/video/BP4chFIuwAU/w-d-xo.html Someone burning a bible, and the reactions arent exactly stellar. Not saying they are the same, just got curious and google bible burning, kinda interesting video.
"Why do people burn books in Sweden?" 🤔 I mean, some come here to do it. Which leads to the question 'Why here, and not somewhere else?' Because they can do it here, without risking anything. It's allowed to do it. The next question of course is 'How come Sweden allows that?' Because of the law that gives us freedom of expression. That law has a heavy weight in the lawbook in Sweden. OK. That's why. But... If you need permission from the Police to do that kind of "protests", WHY CAN'T THE POLICE DENY PERMISSION? Because the moron that wants to burn that book won't be breaking any law. That is what I want to be changed. When the LOCATION, CIRCUMSTANCES and LIKELIHOOD of CAUSING ILLEGAL CONTRA PROTESTS is TOO HIGH SHOULD in my mind be good enough to deny permission.
Y'all really defending Linus? Sure he should have the right to do it but to do it with the intentions of causing violence and more hate towards a certain people is disguisting and should be stopped. It's like throwing gasoline into a fire and being suprised when the fire gets worse. Everything is not immigrants faults, maybe Sweden messed up by allowing these many immigrants to start with without having the sufficient resources to give them all a decent life so instead they have to turn to crime for a living. I'm disgusted by this community and how everyone seems to think we're some sort of second-class people. I love you Andrew, but your community is something else...
If we were to make pure intentions illegal, we'd have to create a new department of thought police. How do you like that idea? What matters judicially is what people say and do and if that is legal.
Btw, not one single comment defends Rasmus. Most do however defend his right to do what he did. You need to try to wrap your head around the difference dude!
Sweden is not burning books. And every sloppy video title like this entitles the mad islamists that hate Sweden for something Sweden as a nation did not do. So please change your title. But there is freedom for people to express feelings and opinions, and books do not have rights, only people have rights. So of course a book can be destroyed, or a flag or some other object or symbol also. You are also wrong about Paludan, he is still burning Qurans in Denmark, he burnt 3!!! there AFTER he burnt the one in Sweden this winter. Also in Norway there was an allowed quranburning last year, but the police had to stop it when it happened due to rioting. The ONLY Nordic country that has a remnant of blasphemy laws is Finland, with their "Trosfrid", where they seem to be able to put this action and obviously get away with it. A democratic multicultural country cannot ban destruction of all objects that all different groups find "holy". I mean most people eat cow despite it is a holy object to Hindus. We are also allowing movies, musicals and art shows like Life of Brian, The book of Mormon, and Ecce Homo, the last one being extremely provocative to christians. But no hindus, christians, or mormons are making a big deal of it. They are obviously sensible groups of people. Everyone should be sensible and just ignore things they don't like. Also all Abraham religious scriptures contain a LOT of misogyny, threats to atheists, homosexuals, people of the wrong religions, apostates and so on. So if burning these books will be banned for hate speech, then there is plenty of reason to actually ban the books themselves for hate speech.... www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/paludan-vantas-branna-tre-koraner-i-kopenhamn
I love your thoughts on this and I can honestly say I´m behind every thing you said. Nice to learn more about R too and his past in Dk. Didn´t knew anyhting about him execpt for his dumb acts before. Dk and Norway are our closest Scandinavian brother countries and im actually surprised over the fact that we don´t co-operate more with those countries when it comes to warn each other for crazyheads and criminals when they move between The Nordic countries. We got Richard R-heim from Norway creating a lot of chaos and costs for Sweden, same with dk Rasmus. Or maybe SÄPO knew about R but they clearly didn´t about R-heim/Ohlsson? But it´s just the law that are unable to stop R.
You are making unreasonable and arbitrary statements. It's not the demonstrators that constitute the problem, but the reactionary people. Also, you should abstain from making comments about specific people and their backgrounds; they are still fully entitled to freedom of expression regardless of their possibly criminal record. Everybody's entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. Don't like a demonstration? Simply walk away! My rights don't infringe upon anybody else's.
@@andreas3864 Are you sure you replied to the right comment? I never said anything about the right to expression. I said that im surprised that the Nordics doesn't seem co-operate with each other when it comes to warn each other about ppl that have caused major problems and costs for a neighbor society before. Freedom of expression are important. But when non swedes comes here just to cause drama and millions for us swedes to pay? About Rasmus there is not so much to say, I think Säpo knew him and he are following the law. But about Ringheim? If Säpo knew about him he couldn't have cause all those millions of costs and trashed human lifes as he did. Now luckily in a swedish prison. The prison costs for him stands for like 0.5% of all the costs he have caused for the swedish society.
Sweden is NOT burning book! Not the state nor the government.
It's individuals and their rights to do so if they want too. It's the law!
the whole point of my video
@@AndrewAustin But not your video title! where you are saying that WE are burning them
@@AndrewAustin bad title, Andrew...
"Why do people burn books in Sweden?" 🤔
I mean, some come here to do it. Which leads to the question 'Why here, and not somewhere else?' Because they can do it here, without risking anything. It's allowed to do it.
The next question of course is 'How come Sweden allows that?'
Because of the law that gives us freedom of expression. That law has a heavy weight in the lawbook in Sweden.
OK. That's why.
But...
If you need permission from the Police to do that kind of "protests", WHY CAN'T THE POLICE DENY PERMISSION?
Because the moron that wants to burn that book won't be breaking any law.
That is what I want to be changed.
When the LOCATION, CIRCUMSTANCES and LIKELIHOOD of CAUSING ILLEGAL CONTRA PROTESTS is TOO HIGH
SHOULD in my mind be good enough to deny permission.
@@annabackman3028 Very good text. Tack!
What is worse, the harm that religions have caused, or the burning of a couple of books in protest of those religions?
Well, clearly religions have caused more harm. But I don't think it's actually about the burning. Burning the book is simply a tool to incite hate and violence.
Religions do not cause harm. It are the people who abuse a religion for power, and the idiots that follow them. Every time.
Time to burn Mickey Mouse pocketbooks in front of Disneyland and watch the violent outrage of 9 year old kids around the world.
If this happened with any other religion, no one would care. The problem is with Islam. It needs to adapt to the 21st century. And anyone living in a free society with freedom of opinion needs to respect the laws.
Islam is still in the 14:th century... that's the big problem here...
Eh Judaism is a religion and burning their sacred scripts would be associated with Nazis burning books. Islam is not the only that have a past or that have been highjacked by fanatics. Christian germans supported Hitler, he betrayed "our" religion.
You are wrong, try to burn a bible outside a Church in Alabama :) I dare you to try! But in Sweden you are correct.
I really don’t understand why people get so upset!! It’s a book !! No one gets hurt. How many chistians would really care that much if someone burnt a bible in, say Rome? It’s the reaction that’s the really insane thing.
Well that doesnt mean the other thing (book burning, like the nazi scums did) is ok, especially when they threaten swedish citizens and hurts our country. I am against all religions because none of them is a good religion, but showing your hate towards certain religions like some nazi scum is just f****d up. Its not the burning thats wrong, its WHY it happens and what message these retards that do it want to convey.
Well, it's not "Sweden" that burns books. Both Turkey and Russia have interest in the action.
Russia obviously doesn't want more countries on Nato. Annoying Turkey helps prevent Sweden from becoming a member state in Nato.
@@gregorybezanson Turkey however seem not to understand what's in their own interest?
Or is it in their interest to damage NATO from within?
@@gregorybezansonSorry. I can't resist😅:
If Russia doesn't want more countries to join Nato, maybe Russia should retire from its job as Nato's top recruiter.
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Lived in Sweden all my life, and I don't like book burning, but I fully support the right to do it, it's fundamental to our secular society. I am more worried about the violent reactions from those offended. The violent reaction is what's new and need to change.
The ones who react violently because they are offended are in the wrong.
Edit: For the sake of honesty and clarity I want to let everyone know this is from the perspective of a 36 year old gay guy who has seen our lives get more unsafe for me and my boyfriend from the same people who react violently to these burnings.
Edit 2: I ask that you put yourself in me and my boyfriends shoes.
Imagine having lived in a country that you had to leave because the state and society think you should die because you are gay, because their religion says you are scum. They have parties where they throw gays from roofs and everyone celebrates in the streets.
Now imagine living in a secular country that accepts that some people love each other, even if they are the same sex, and then years later, this country you live in suddenly defend the group that you escaped that want to kill you because you love someone of the same sex.
Left, right, middle, it doesn't matter. They defend the people who think you should be killed. That is the fear me and my boyfriend live with.
The shit places that want us dead have now come to Sweden, and their views are being normalized because "acceptance".
This has gotten worse and worse. Second generation, third generation, it does not matter. They are born into more hate and violence from their parents and peers.
Swedes think this changes just because someone moves to Sweden they suddenly become secular and accepting. This is not how things work.
It's a nightmare and no one wants to talk about it.
All the love and hugs.
well doing it outside their church is kinda too far but otherwise I agree
I think the individual burn those books to show how such a little thing can trigger and turn people violent. Sort of like "showing their true colors". And I'm on the same line as you, I would not burn those books, But I like to think I understand why, and also I think it's in their rights to do so.
@@monyfornow If they Ignored eventually they would go away
These are in dead the hard questions that are more comfortable to just look the other way at than actually address. I don't want to side with those who hate immigrants or people of other cultures or skin colors, I know many great people who are immigrants or the kids of immigrants. Several of the best workers and nicest people at my work place are in that demographic. But it can't be denied that some statistics, like the increase in hate crime and honor related violence, has some correlation to the rising number of immigrants. Through my family and my education I know loads of people who work in schools, and most of them agree that 20 years ago they hardly had nay trouble in schools relative to how it its today. Kids that have been raised in homes where domestic violence is norm, it's totally OK to beat someone to an inch of their life for saying something that offended you etc., that can't accumulate to what life in Sweden entails, and who has learned to play the "I'm not while and everyone is racist towards me" card to get out of anything with authorities. No matter if you have 15 eye witnesses that say they saw them kick a guy in the groin and steal his wallet, they'll just claim everyone is ganging up on them because they are brown or Muslim or whatever and far too often they'll get away with it as well.
@@monyfornow I agree, the right to burn it as a political action in front of the Riksdagshus, an embassy or similar should be protected. The right to burn it in front of a mosque or a residential area should be stopped or limited.
My intention with this video is to educate people on what is going on in Sweden with protest laws. Also I misspoke when I said get back into Nato. I meant to say get into Nato.
Then you must get your facts straight, see my comment above.
Burn a bible outside a swedish church, no response. Point proven.
Whenever someone burns a symbol in the public square - be it a Swedish flag, a "holy" book, a swastika or whatever - the public reaction really should be "who cares", regardless of whether one's trigger points are being provoked. Quran burnings are neither "vile" acts, nor are they violent. They're just provocative, and that alone is never a good reason to close doors to freedom of expression. In my humble opinion, as long as burning Qurans is going to spark these kinds of violent and threatening reactions by easily offended fundamentalists throughout the Muslim world, the incentives to keep burning them are just getting stronger, despite my non-existent intrerest in book burnings.
Very good comment. In fact, I don't even necessarily see why these acts are considered provocative. As an individual, I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions. That does not infringe upon your rights. You may just walk away if you happen to be in the vicinity of my demonstration!
@@andreas3864 Thank you. Yeah, I hear you. However, I can at least sympathize with the fact that people's feelings get stirred up on a foundational level when their holy cows are being lambasted in this manner. That of course doesn't have an impact on whether the act should be legal or not. It's also very telling that some of these easily offended people burn Pride flags in the streets as a response, as if the Pride community had anything to do with the recent quran burnings. So much for respecting people's "holy" virtues and symbols.
@@robinbackrud89 Usually the word "sympathize" is responded with in order to indicate that people like me possibly lack sympathy. I exaggerated a bit but for a good reason I believe. Also, I was thinking "unreasonably provocative" from a societal standpoint. Of course you can view expressions as provocative to varying levels. You have an option though... Walk away or refrain from being present. Again, a person's entitled to his or her own mental processes and opinions, no matter how offensive some individual or group might find this. If you wanna try and lecture me about tolerance and/or sympathy, what about the case in many Islamic countries with an absolutely horrendous record on human rights then? Are those countries doing anything about that? PS: by the way, didn't claim that you claimed I was unsympathetic. Just for the record!
@@andreas3864 My response was poorly articulated and sloppy. We are in total agreement and I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you lack empathy. I basically just meant that I recognize (not sympatize with) that these kind of acts clearly provoke a significant amount of the population. Hence, they are indeed provocative, at least for a large number of people. Whether they really should be considred provocative in any rational sense, again, I think we are in total agreement.
@@robinbackrud89 First of all I'm the one that expressed myself sloppily. Worth noting the difference between sympathy and empathy. Other people might continue to claim a lack of sympathy even when they now mention empathy as a pathetic response. In fact, people are focused on Sweden for mere political reasons whereas the Supreme Court of the US has simply concluded that there's "effectively no hate speech". You don't think that any Quran is being burned in country with 350 M people, regardless of how much publicity it receives? Is the SCOTUS or the US unsympathetic too? Also a fact that many people participating in the 2022 riots where there simply to commit violence. Vast majority of people, the average, don't really have a significant emotion and have been taught to react a certain way. Obviously some are tangibly provoked, but they then have to learn the free and democratic way of living by simply walking away, and allowing others to decide over their own thoughts and opinions.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" i think they guys burning the books are just assholes wanting attention, but baning stuff like this is a slippery slope. besides would other countries change behaviours that we find offensive ?
This IS offensive! The only reason for doing this is to offend people. If he wants to speak out agains Islam then by all means do.
Burning a koran outside a moské is all about hate and sweden should adjust its laws so that things like this is considered a crime.
Being allowed does not reflect the values that Sweden stands for
@@mackan7086 there is alredy laws for this, its up to the courts to decide. "förargelseväckande beteende / hets mot folkgrupp" he could be charged with those but its still his right to burn the book. i dont like it and i dont agree with him . but its still a veary important right
@@mackan7086 sorry, but have to dismiss you with "you're an idiot". Inte lönt att förklara för dem som inte förstår...
@@beorlingo konstruktivt...
Men...haters gonna hate 😪
@mackan7086 jag skrev en lång replik. Men den publicerades inte. Antar att du blockade mig. Helt i linje med din avsaknad av förståelse av yttrandefrihet. Hur du skriver "is" i versaler varvid det bildar akronymen "IS" illustrerar även det utmärkt väl vad för slags mindset du har. Din vana att benämna alla yttringar du inte gillar som "hat" visar dessutom på din toxiska personlighet. Jag hatar få saker och nästan inga människor. Definitivt inte de obetydliga och uppblåsta. "Idiot" var rent deskriptivt och avsett att på ett enkelt sätt förklara varför jag avstod från att debattera.
Jag tar mig förbi blockeringar, långnäsa där blev det för din belåtenhet över det.
When Rasmus toured Sweden before the election no one cared. There were no protests from other countries, no ambassadors getting called up to explain.
Then Erdogan needed to divert peoples opinions of his politics, and Rasmus burning the Quoran outside Turkies embassy gave him that diversion, and he blew it up as a huge issue.
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Freedom of the press is based on freedom of expression and speech - a cornerstone of most democracies. In 1766, Sweden became the first country in the world to write freedom of the press into its constitution.
And having established that freedom of the press, all those centuries ago, "they" then proceed to consistently deceive you, since you still think it holds. I've lived in several countries, and Sweden contains the most naïve people with the most echo-chambery press, this side of North Korea. Swedes are so far back in the darkness, the light switch is simply out of reach. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Sweden's #1 claim to fame ever!?
@@beorlingo läs en bok, du kanske lär dig något mera...
@@MegaBabyGrace jag har läst jättemånga böcker, och håller just på att läsa en till. När jag har läst dem så ger jag bort dem, eller så bränner jag upp dem (har ingen plats i rummet, men plenty i huvudet). Trots detta hajar jag inte vad ditt budskap är häromnyssens?
I think there is a few things to say about this. First, the constitution always overrule other laws. Second is that there are laws against hatecrime (towards people) but there is no blasphemy laws. That means that you can criticise religions but you can’t do hatecrimes against its believers (and that is for all religions.. remeber we are not cristians. There is no state religion in sweden). So if people say why do the government allow this? Well the government is not allowing it. In fact it is not up to the government. Laws is decided by the parliment not the government. And to change a constitution in sweden there has to be two national votes between each decision to change the constitution. Next thing is that each authority in sweden is under the law, it is not under the government. They are all independet. The government is financing the authorities and gives them general directions, but it is actually illigal for a minister to interfere with an authority. So the government can’t tell the police to stop the burning of any book. And the police has to follow the rules. And even if there is a decision due to risks to bane fires the constitution overrules it if it is a freedom of speech. So the judges has to decide if this is a matter of freedome of speech or not. And they can’t just dicedie that themself, they have to use exactly what the laws and constitution sais to decide if it is or not. So other countries is wondering why the governemt allows this or don’t stop it.. well they don’t allow it and if they try to stop it they are breaking the laws and will be prosecuted. Of cours Russia is using this as much as they can. A lot if those who protest dislike NATO as well. The easiest way to stop these burnings would be to allow sweden into NATO, then they have no need to burn books as the reason is to interfere with Turkeys decision.
the problem isnt the person burning his own book.
the problem is muslims refusing to follow laws in sweden.
True. But this gentleman is not burning his own book for his own reasons. He's burning the book as a tool in a planned, malicious act for the purpose of inciting hatred and violence. That's slightly different.
But I agree that there appears to be a very small but loud minority in the Muslim community who don't understand or pretend not to understand that they do NOT have a right to complain about people engaging in lawful action just because they don't like said actions.
If you follow the law (which you do if you if you express your opinion by burning *your own book*) you should be protected by the police from other people who wish you harm, just like all other citizens.
Those who exert violence are breaking the law and should be prosecuted. Period
The funny thing is that firstly, to be able to burn these books they have to buy them from Islamic organisations and are thereby supporting those with money.
Secondly the only people that gets any benefits out of this is the Islamic organisations that gets a lot of attentions and Russia that does whatever they can to provoke split and strife among the EU and NATO countries!
I would bet a god sum that "Rasmus" either get quite a lot of money from the Islamic community and Russia or he just revels in his 15 minutes of fame that it gives him being a completely innocent but very stupid puppet furthering the Islamic and Russian agendas!
Nothing in history gives religious organisations so much power as to be able to point out imagined or actual persecution!
Who benefits the most of this actions? Doesn't have to be a genius to see that. Since Erdogan is as thin skinned as Trump it's maybe a good way of keeping Sweden out of Nato. I bet Vladimir is in awe about it.
as a member of the LGBT-community i can understand the disregard against islam
the church of sweden hade progressed pretty much in the last couple of decades, same sex marriage is accepted and we even had homosexual bishops in the council
islam are still in the 19th century when it comes to their LGBT+ Values and also of womens equality
if islam will progress and become more inclusive im highly confident that these types of actions will decrease rapidly
He is proving a point that immature people will keep responding to this with violence because they are lost to a belief system.
Burning books is just plain stupid, nothing to gain from it. But on the other hand, believing in some kind of god creature, is just equally stupid. really wish they'd stop doing both those stupidities.
I'm atheist/agnostic but I have no problems with any religion existing. There might be people who uses religion for bad purposes, but religion it self when used for good and for a sense of community and to guide people who need it I am totally fine with. As such I wish these individuals who are burning Qurans would stop and be more accepting. However I also support freedom of speech and expression. People might be offended, but as long as they are not physically harming anyone, they should be in their right to express themselves. Conversely if a Muslim would like to burn a Bible outside a Church, that is a right they should have. Not being religious myself I am of course not the best person to offer guidance, since I am not personally affected either way by the burning of any religious text.
Now they want to do it again.
they bought their own books and burned them.
it is their own decision to do that and it is their right to destroy it no matter if it is a bible /quoran/phonebook or whatever.
and paludan is both swedish and danish.
Just like most other countries, Sweden has tried to make altering the constitution hard. So laws regarding this are unlikely to change soon.
Also, I believe this is a situation where the constitution contradicts itself. It protects people from harassment because of their religion, as well as it protects freedom of speech. This will hopefully in the end be decided by the supreme court.
Also, while the police can't really stop people from burning the Koran, they are allowed to decide where it will happen, and in some cities the police force has done that. So when Rasmus wanted to burn a Koran outside a mosque, they decided that he would instead burn a Koran in some parking lot in the countryside.
Actually, the legality of these demonstrations also defends the rights of those offended to believe in whatever they believe. It does however not defend their seemingly perceived right to beat up whomever they feel insulted their religious sentiments.
AFAIK, it is legal to burn books in a lot of western countries including the US. The reason it is being done in Sweden in particular is because we have had a lot of immigration in the last decade. The integration has so far failed resulting in violence, crime and protests.
People of any religion realized or came to realize that this was just a provocation and they stopped protest and rioting against police and Paludan. In Uppsala, when he was here, our mosque told their members to stay at home or go about their own lives. Not much happened. Also the police tried new ways to silent the situation. Paludan were to appear on a square and the police had scheduled their yearly conference to be the same day in the building next to the square. Erdogan with his agenda is the only one that now react has if he owns the swedish population. There were swedish-kurds that burned a doll of Erdogan in Stockholm and Erdogan got furious and said that these people need to be arrested... the conversation between him and the swedish government explaining how the justice system has almost nothing to with them would be great to hear. He is mad and need to be stopped, the fact that Nato is in alliance with "his" Turkey is outrageous. Human rights or mobilizing against a potential threat from Putins Russia is the question.
Hey Andrew!
Your work/life balance is becoming way life leaning lately!?
If you want to say that some doctrine or other is shit, I reckon it makes sense to say it to those following said doctrine and in the place where they're at? The idea (in Rasmus' case) however is obviously to illustrate how poorly followers of this one specific doctrine understand the very basis of the democracy they live in and thrive from.
Me personally, obviously not saying all or even a majority of the followers of this religion do not understand.
Must say though that Rasmus probably succeeds with his ambition as a big enough number of whom so readily will shoot themselves in the foot upon any given opportunity.
If you want freedom of expression this is what you must endure.
The right to say what you belive in might offend others, but it should never be outlawed.
If you think it should then Sweden is not the right place for you.
Don’t care if it’s religion, politics or some other sensitive topic.
Sweden is not burning books. Some very few individuals are burning books. I am swede af (going back generations) I don't like the Quran and I feel that all religions should be treated like anything else because religions have a profound influence on people decisions making but I'm not burning any books.
I don't like people doing this kind of provocation as the the protests have a sinister goal behind them. I'll say though, that it makes me a little happy inside that this sort of thing goes so much against interest of the nation. Not that I want sweden to lose diplomatic reputation or become worse, but isn't it the ultimate evidence of freedom when a citizen can do something that completely goes against the nation's interest? That's what makes like a little about it. I don't think many countries in the world would allow an act by a single citizens that harms their own country just for the sake of democracy and freedom.
I´m sure it's allowed in Russia to....and Iran, and in Turkiet, Saudi Arabia, China, N.Korea, Belarus, and hundred of other free countries. Or maybe not....
"may God protect Sweden for showing the world how to walk the truly righteous path of wisdom and for it to therefore also prosper!"
Do not make an arbitrary claim about specific individuals and their inalienable subjectivity and right to freedom of expression. That this even generates diplomatic issues is the problem, not the individuals. Governments have no business at all when it regards the thoughts and opinions of private people. If they do, they constitute totalitarian states that need to stop acting undemocratically.
He's not from Sweden, he's not our case, and the only reason the police are there is because if we catch him, he's finished!
We don't behave like animals, just because you live in Sweden doesn't mean you're Swedish!
And we are Christians, and we believe in learning from others, getting along, not judging, not fighting, not killing.
So don't judge us by what "NON-SWEDES IN SWEDEN DO"
And NO Swed want´s to join that shitty NATO, we have NOTHING to gain from it. We have all the best in everyting, no country in NATO can provide anything that we need. NATO is like kindergarden, one big kid to rule the others, grow up ! WW3 will end us all, maby it´s time to use that single BRAINCELL ?
To evolve and survive we need to communicate and learn from each other, not kill each other.
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN !? ANIMALS !
Sweden does´nt burning any books but some people do.
If you want to burn a book, do it....
Book burning or PKK, does not include the application to NATO
It's NOT Sweden , it is troubel makers
Sweden don’t burn no books, people do.
I am a bit critical that more criticism isn't directed at the people going violent over this. Yes we should respect minorities, but let us get real this is a fricken book. You can go all on about how important that book is but the fact of that matter is still that from a secular point of view this is just a bundle of paper being burned. Nobody is expressing that muslims should be attacked, are lesser people, stupid or anything like that. Mocking religion or criticizing religion has a long history with free speech in the West and must be tolerated. If you think burning the Quran is bad, then counter with burning a bible, Swedish flag or whatever. Don't rampage because of it. The burning of the book is the expression of ONE guy not Swedish society. Swedish society should not be punished for one guy burning a book.
Big fan of your TH-cam Andrew and of you. I know you want to keep things balanced but really you cannot call burning a book hate crime. I see no reason why any European country should deem that a hate crime. Certainly not a hate crime here in Norway. It is a dangerous precedent to construe mockery of religion as hate crime. In that case we really expand the legal ability to persecute people for speech far beyond what those laws are intended to do. Frankly I am sick and tired of the the need to tip toe around religion, especially Islam. There is no right to not get offended. People must learn to live in societies with free speech, even if that speech is offensive to you.
We have already gone very far in accommodating muslim minorities in many European countries. There is give and take. You also got to learn to respect the values of the society you live in. Especially if they have gone far in allowing to to freely practice your religion. Over here we celebrate important muslim days in pre-schools. We make learn about Islam in school. Kids visit mosques. They even did gender segregation of swimming lessons to accomodate muslims demands. We don't serve hotdogs on birthdays to be nice to muslim kids visiting. I think we are doing a lot to be good hosts. Is it really that much to ask that people don't burn down a city because somebody burned a book you love? And maybe what pissed me off isn't muslims. Because many it seems condemn this behavior. Rather it is other Westerners tip toeing around it. We cannot be terrified of being called racist every time something like this pops up. One has to make a firm stand on core principles.
I think you need to add the context of where the books are being burned. It’s either burned in primarily Muslim areas in Sweden or in front of houses of worship.
If you want to burn a book in your backyard go for it.
The moment you do it in public and have police protection for the soul purpose of building your social media brand, I have a problem with it.
I don’t want my taxes going to protecting Rasmus.
If he didn’t have protection he wouldn’t do it.
This clown has cost Sweden millions of dollars in police costs.
@@AndrewAustin Sure it is stupid thing to do. But you cannot hold him accountable alone. This is only a problem because some people choose to get violent because a book is burned. One cannot absolve those who act out of guilt.
That somebody is a dick is not reason to burn down property totally unrelated to guy who carried out the actions.
And at some level I can understand the need for some provocations. It is somewhat related to the cartoon drawings. There has long been a chilling effect and self censorship in the West over anything sensitive to muslims to the point where you sacrifice your own principles and values.
Recently an art gallery here covered up paining of naked people to not offend muslims. We segregated on gender in in schools in different situations totally against our values and principles. Sometimes a provocation is need to bring forth a debate about what must and must not be tolerated in a secular society.
If somebody burns a Quran either turn your back en mass. Write an opinion piece, march in a peaceful demonstration. There are many ways to express dissatisfaction beyond a violent rampage.
@@AndrewAustin Despite being an American and America being the only country that has this, you've misunderstood freedom of expression. If you wanna talk about burning books in private areas like your backyard, it's not freedom of expression anymore, is it? Freedom of expression is constitutionally codified to endow citizens a capability of affecting public opinion; this is freedom of expression. Also, I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions and the absolute right to express these, as long as I don't "incite or produce imminent criminal activity and is likely to do so" (legal precedent Brandenburg v. Ohio). Giving the state arbitrary power of selecting locations for demonstrations is unreasonable. Last. It's not Rasmus Paludan nor anybody else who's done this that has taken tax dollars. The issue lies within a brainwashed element of the population that potentially naïve leftists like you have failed to recognize. Ever seen the LGBTQIA+ even remotely criticize Islam and its views on every person's right to love whomever they want, no because they are miserable hypocrites who only care about fighting the right.
Again, individuals burn books - not the State of Sweden. Freedom has a counterweight called responsibility and that's where it fails here. An individual burns a holy book, but he doesn't take any responsibility for his actions and this is where it goes wrong. We are held responsible for a handful of individuals' deeds and they always attract the attention of media as well. They know they are going to stir up emotions, the know the media are going to follow them and they know the sometimes violent actions from the people they offend are also going to be covered by media. In other words, they are not using the freedom of speech the right way - if they did, they would also take the responsibility for what it causes.
How can you make such an arbitrary claim? Are you to be the judge of another person's subjective perception? Why if they actually believe that burning a holy scripture is the only way to manifest in order to generate the necessary debate about demographical problems? And, last, I do not need to take the slightest responsibility for how other people choose to react to the thoughts and opinions I'm absolutely entitled to express. If you choose to commit a criminal act over it, you ought to be prosecuted.
I totally agree! Burning any bookss is an insult to those who beleive in what´s in the bokks that are burned. Which probably also is the motive for those who want to do it. Some very wise person (I don´t remember who) once said: "Where they burn books, they will sooner or later also burn humans". It makes me think of worldwar 2 when the nazis burned jewish books
Some people feeling insulted from someone else having a different point of view doesn't make it an insult.
It was the German state who burned the books. Here it’s a person.
Mast be no problem too burn the Bible to.
It would never be reported on because no one cares...
Youeare correce. It is not a problem.
Good take!
You have a lot of details wrong, but I'm not well enough to correct you today. Sweden isn't doing anything. The law is clear, you can burn what you own. They both had permission. Then other people filed complaints, but that hasn't gone to court yet.
Hmm what can i say about this.....but there are now at least eighty people sitting in prison just for the initial protest in Örebro.
So he got what he wanted ....don´t you think? But i think it is very stupid of the police to give permission to burn books outside of a moske, thats just bad policing , within the law or not, and especially if you know from the start that you are gonna "punish" them for it afterwards.... Just stupid ....sorry for my ranting.....
I never understood that part of it, that he was given permission to burn it at that spot, and then start an investigation after if he was breaking any laws. Like shouldnt they checked that before they gave him permission? Im abit confused about that whole situation and I feel I must have missed some important detail.
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@@AndrewAustin Sweden's 'Tryckfrihetsförordningen' (Freedom of the Press Act) of 1766, the world's first. :)
islam has no place in sweden or any other western nation
I think you should separate a thing "book" from hate speech, and as a guy who lived here in Sweden for almost all of my life but not born in Sweden a refugee myself from the start. I have seen as a gay Jewish man how it has become unsafe for me with Islam taken over many areas in Sweden, it has gotten so bad that I have had to flee once more in my life and now you are questioning my right of freedom to protest, you know that is not even Islamism that is called communism ofc unless yourself do not like Jewish or gay people, really scary hearing an American take the side of extremism.
How would you feel if someone burns a Hebrew holy book or Israel flag outside of a synagogue in Stockholm?
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Only muslims would react that violently. It is a sensitive and violent culture. Although doing it right outside with the purpose of inciting problems is unethical. Russian interference should also be banned.
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Someone burning a bible, and the reactions arent exactly stellar. Not saying they are the same, just got curious and google bible burning, kinda interesting video.
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"Why do people burn books in Sweden?" 🤔
I mean, some come here to do it. Which leads to the question 'Why here, and not somewhere else?' Because they can do it here, without risking anything. It's allowed to do it.
The next question of course is 'How come Sweden allows that?'
Because of the law that gives us freedom of expression. That law has a heavy weight in the lawbook in Sweden.
OK. That's why.
But...
If you need permission from the Police to do that kind of "protests", WHY CAN'T THE POLICE DENY PERMISSION?
Because the moron that wants to burn that book won't be breaking any law.
That is what I want to be changed.
When the LOCATION, CIRCUMSTANCES and LIKELIHOOD of CAUSING ILLEGAL CONTRA PROTESTS is TOO HIGH
SHOULD in my mind be good enough to deny permission.
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Y'all really defending Linus? Sure he should have the right to do it but to do it with the intentions of causing violence and more hate towards a certain people is disguisting and should be stopped. It's like throwing gasoline into a fire and being suprised when the fire gets worse. Everything is not immigrants faults, maybe Sweden messed up by allowing these many immigrants to start with without having the sufficient resources to give them all a decent life so instead they have to turn to crime for a living. I'm disgusted by this community and how everyone seems to think we're some sort of second-class people.
I love you Andrew, but your community is something else...
If we were to make pure intentions illegal, we'd have to create a new department of thought police. How do you like that idea?
What matters judicially is what people say and do and if that is legal.
Btw, not one single comment defends Rasmus. Most do however defend his right to do what he did. You need to try to wrap your head around the difference dude!
Sweden is not burning books. And every sloppy video title like this entitles the mad islamists that hate Sweden for something Sweden as a nation did not do. So please change your title.
But there is freedom for people to express feelings and opinions, and books do not have rights, only people have rights. So of course a book can be destroyed, or a flag or some other object or symbol also.
You are also wrong about Paludan, he is still burning Qurans in Denmark, he burnt 3!!! there AFTER he burnt the one in Sweden this winter. Also in Norway there was an allowed quranburning last year, but the police had to stop it when it happened due to rioting.
The ONLY Nordic country that has a remnant of blasphemy laws is Finland, with their "Trosfrid", where they seem to be able to put this action and obviously get away with it.
A democratic multicultural country cannot ban destruction of all objects that all different groups find "holy". I mean most people eat cow despite it is a holy object to Hindus. We are also allowing movies, musicals and art shows like Life of Brian, The book of Mormon, and Ecce Homo, the last one being extremely provocative to christians.
But no hindus, christians, or mormons are making a big deal of it. They are obviously sensible groups of people. Everyone should be sensible and just ignore things they don't like.
Also all Abraham religious scriptures contain a LOT of misogyny, threats to atheists, homosexuals, people of the wrong religions, apostates and so on. So if burning these books will be banned for hate speech, then there is plenty of reason to actually ban the books themselves for hate speech....
www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/paludan-vantas-branna-tre-koraner-i-kopenhamn
I love your thoughts on this and I can honestly say I´m behind every thing you said. Nice to learn more about R too and his past in Dk. Didn´t knew anyhting about him execpt for his dumb acts before.
Dk and Norway are our closest Scandinavian brother countries and im actually surprised over the fact that we don´t co-operate more with those countries when it comes to warn each other for crazyheads and criminals when they move between The Nordic countries. We got Richard R-heim from Norway creating a lot of chaos and costs for Sweden, same with dk Rasmus. Or maybe SÄPO knew about R but they clearly didn´t about R-heim/Ohlsson? But it´s just the law that are unable to stop R.
You are making unreasonable and arbitrary statements. It's not the demonstrators that constitute the problem, but the reactionary people. Also, you should abstain from making comments about specific people and their backgrounds; they are still fully entitled to freedom of expression regardless of their possibly criminal record. Everybody's entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. Don't like a demonstration? Simply walk away! My rights don't infringe upon anybody else's.
@@andreas3864 Are you sure you replied to the right comment? I never said anything about the right to expression. I said that im surprised that the Nordics doesn't seem co-operate with each other when it comes to warn each other about ppl that have caused major problems and costs for a neighbor society before. Freedom of expression are important. But when non swedes comes here just to cause drama and millions for us swedes to pay? About Rasmus there is not so much to say, I think Säpo knew him and he are following the law. But about Ringheim? If Säpo knew about him he couldn't have cause all those millions of costs and trashed human lifes as he did. Now luckily in a swedish prison. The prison costs for him stands for like 0.5% of all the costs he have caused for the swedish society.
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