Not just that. The idea of the "forever game that never ends" needs to go too. I don't mind not experiencing everything in the game on one character. Write the game so the NPCs treat my character differently based off what I've done not just add random one off comments
What Bethesda desperately need is talented and experienced dedicated writers to fill the world with content. The more accomplished these writers are the better.
All I can say is The Wayward Realms cant drop fast enough. Ill wait as long as it takes for that to be done, but the vision they have for that will scratch the itch of ES6 and many more not thought of yet.
I was in middle school when Skyrim launched, I might possibly be a homeowner when TES VI launches. Every generation is feeling these long gaps between games.
A big reason I’m concerned for ES6 (that I rarely ever see mentioned) is that I don’t think BGS is willing to take risks when it comes to the lore or settings anymore. The thing that sets elder scrolls apart from other fantasy settings is the batshit crazy/convoluted lore and the fantastical environments. I think that media companies as a whole are not willing to take creative risks which is why we have so many reboots, remakes, and recycled material/mechanics. As greats as Skyrim is, BGS has slowly dulled down their lore since Morrowind and I fear that will continue.
This is very true. I want to play in a setting where I run the risk of running into a lizard man that serves powdered deer penis to his patrons or a random elf woman in the city asking me what the fine is for necrophilia. Feels like BGS is trying to divorce themselves from much of what made the prior games' settings interesting.
I'll hold out the hope that Bethesda has a great storyline in mind for TESVI. It's arguably their best IP, they care a lot about its lore, and they probably had the story panned out a while ago. *huffs copium*
Thank you, people forget who insane and in many cases incredibly dark elder scrolls lore is and its world. It’s basically lord of the rings but without the Christianity redemption arc. Ever race in the series commits genocide, war crimes and holy wars. Hell it’s often stated by elder scrolls fans that in this world it’s actually immoral to not do such acts because of how evil elves and other races are. Pelinal is an individual who wiped out the Alyieds and in order to wear his armour you have to have good morality meaning the gods even endorse it. Other aspects of the series also can’t be used in the “modern” age. Things like races having genetic advantages over others, the fact that all player characters are/were male (Neravar has no been reconned to unknown), only having four human races which are distinct from one another (Darwinism and old thought of how human groups developed). I think the reason why elder scrolls was so successful (besides being just a fun adventure) was that the world tapped into ancient mythology and classical tales from old ages both in the horrific and the magical. The feeling of doing whatever you please in daggerfall, the otherworldly feeling of morrowind, the classical chivalrous nature of oblivion, and the Beowulf feeling of epicness in Skyrim. Regardless of where it is (high rock or Hammerfell) there’s no way a modern game studio can capture the old magic. This was the case of starfield as now you have to play it safe. Starfield should have been a more depressing experience. The majority of humanity was killed on earth, constant wars between a Roman esc republic vs a libertarian collective destroying each other only for a space jihad to occur and them xenos on steroids to appear with the character becoming a heartless god that transcends existence. It should have been a tale in which while humanity has achieved colonization among the stars and advanced to new scientific heights it has to loose its birthplace, identity and sense of belonging in the universe. They tried to tap into that with Consolation being this once proud colonial group of explorers but now is a relic of an old age.
It's actually crazy, ES6 was announced before I met my wife. This year was our 5 year wedding anniversary and I feel like I've known her my whole life.
I don't want to play the same game for 10 years. I want new , reasonably sized entries every few years. I want to see new, creative experiences made by devs starting from scratch and crafting the game they want from the ground up, rather than crammed-in expansions adding to an ever-expanding tech debt in an aging game. It's a shame we will fewer worlds and characters because of this obsession with bloated games with too much longevity for their own good.
I agree with you that we're seeing a lot of consequences from bad design decisions. The point I disagree is putting faith in BGS. We're seeing a lot of doubtful design decisions, game after game, and from my gamer perspective, I see BGS trying to make that Skyrim experience translated into other universes, and failing on each try they do. And that's the ugly thing I really try not to believe, but it's becoming more and more harder to negate: BGS don't know what they've done to make Skyrim great. And so, they do not know how to make those games after to be as enjoyable as Skyrim was. It's pretty difficult to put some faith at this point.
Exactly. Let's look at what they've done since Fallout 3. Skyrim was a popular success but they kind of dumbed down Elder Scrolls. Fallout 4 was also a huge success, but they dumbed it down too. And since then, it's been extremely hit and miss. Maybe it's time to accept that BGS had a brief window of greatness which has since closed.
I think the main thing people are failing to recognize is that Skyrim is really just not very good either. It comes together to form something fairly enjoyable, and mods can really make it great, but all the other common BGS problems are very much present. Awful writing, UI, extremely simplistic combat, generally dumbed down mechanics, character progression doesn't matter, lack of dialogue and choices, no interesting characters, looks ugly and clunky for its time. Skyrim's success hinges entirely on exploration and mods, that's the only two things that actually work.
@@Monique-iz8lp Recency bias happening in real time lmfao. The game in 2011 was a great game, let's not try and revise history. People loved it despite the memory issues and bugs and attributing its success to mods when majorirty of the players were on consoles is a little strange. It's longevity, was due to mods. But even then the game was able to be resold on multiplatforms. People liked the characters and meme'd them to death... When was the last time you saw a Starfield character meme? People just want to bash BGS so want to bring down skyrim in their deluded crusade against a studio going through growing pains.
@@D4C_LoveTrain1 I enjoy Skyrim, I have easy over 1k hours in it just on my pc but let's be honest here Skyrim is a shell of a elder scrolls game compared to morrowind and even oblivion
They seem to be focusing on all the wrong things. I still can't get over that they released starfield on pc with no hdr or fov slider, then tried telling people they were wrong for disliking it. "We want seamless travel"..."well, you see. In order to keep the game fun, it was entirely necessary that we have 2012-level physics on 2,000 potatoes"
"What do you have to say about people having optimisation issues." "upgrade your PC." - Todd 'the godd' Howard I remember Todd saying they don't have the tech yet ready for TESVI and now I'm worried what that tech will be, it's their flagship title and will likely be here around 2030. I genuinely hope Xbox look at BGS and invest in an overhaul.
A feature I think Bethesda needs in future games is what CD Projekt Red called "dynamic cutscenes" in Cyberpunk 2077. The characters are motion captured and act out conversations. It adds to the immersion immensely without it feeling like the game is ripping the controller from your hand like traditional cutscenes. I don't mind traditional cinematic cutscenes at all but some people do. I actually love traditional ones in games like Red Dead Redemption 2. And yes I know dynamic cutscenes probably won't make it into Elder Scrolls 6. Bethesda seems quite content with their lifeless NPCs.
Creation engine cannot handle mocap They desperately need to figure out how to integrate it, but they’re still using entirely hand animated cutscenes and that is absolutely what makes the characters feel like shiny, plasticine dolls. And even then, those animations are stiff. Compare it to baldurs gate 3, from a much smaller company. Those animations are way more dynamic despite not being mocapped. BGS either needs to ditch creation engine or integrate mocap. The writing and voice acting is pretty mediocre too, but the animations are mainly what make it feels so lifeless.
I dont need npcs on the level of Cyberpunk. Skyrim NPCs were immersive enough for me and had their own schedules. Its Starfields NPCs that are lifeless, sadly.
I'm personally hoping for a return to the Oblivion "vibe" a return to that feeling of grand adventure and quality content. That of course is in my opinion.
Oblivion was the last great elder scrolls game.. Much better than skyrim... If they remade morrowind with current production value it would be a 10/10.. Skyrim I would give an 8.. Oblivion a 9
Agreed that creation engine cope misses the entire problem. If star field was on Unreal Engine 5 it would still be the most boring slop ever put out by BGS
Not to mention having the game on Creation Engine allows people to pump out content faster because they have had more than a decade to get used to it. Swapping CK for something else would force the entire modding community to learn a new engine. If Starfield wasn't worth it for some modders due to its mediocre nature, such a complex change would cause an exodus.
I first played Skyrim when I was 10 I’m 22 right now I’ve been waiting for the next elder scrolls for over half of my life that is ridiculous and when they made the trailer in 2018 I was under the assumption oh they’re actually making it now AND ITS 2024 and they apparently just started making it and from a customers perspective (I don’t even want to call myself a fan anymore) is absolutely disgusting
I never understood why Starfield didn't have more to do with War and conflict, were just in this period of relative peace. No real faction loyalty choices. No way to join and go to war against another faction. And with a name like "Shattered Space" you would of thought before release, that maybe the Colony Wars return, or maybe House Varuun attempt another Crusade. way better story alternatives then what we got imo.
Because Emil sucks. Dude really thought that everyone's mind was going to be blown because starfield is a multi universe story. 10 years too late when everyone's sick and tired of multiverse storytelling because everyone suddenly and correctly realized how much it sucks. The guy thought starborn was going to be the ultimate selling point.
@@hector00000100hes not even a real writer, he thinks simple stories are the best because he thinks people dont play bethesda games for the story, the reason we dont play it for story is because HE KEEPS WRITING BAD STORIES lol
I think they wanted to avoid another star wars clone. It's really hard to do scifi or space opera when everything has been done before. I mean the biggest space rpg franchise in the last 20 years is probably Mass Effect, which borrows a lot from Star Wars. So in away I can understand why they might have one wanted to risk it and try something unique to them, but it hasn't panned out for them. Hopefully they can do a sequel and fix what went wrong in the first game. If that means turning the game into a Star Wars clone then they should do it. If that doesn't work, then its time to cancel the franchise.
@@Lewis-jn8rythey could have done more about alien wild life as an dangerous story plot for whatever reason. The beast are just that beast to farm xp no story besides that 1 quest line that felt weak. City gets attacked but its over in a second.
To me its simple We need “traditional” exploration, we need a more cinematic approach in certain scenes and animations and they absolutely need better writers. If they are happy just doing the same things from until now again they wont be award contenders anymore.
I couldn’t disagree more. Y’all just want BGS to make BioWare games. Stop, that has NEVER been how BGS games are and no, they would not be better for it. If that’s what you want, play Dragon Age or BG3. That should never be what a BGS game becomes.
Starfield proved they've learned all the wrong lessons as to why people played their games for so much time. Skyrim and Fallout don't need a NG+ and endless RNG loot and exploration to keep people playing them. The fact they built NG+ into the story and foundation of Starfield is a clear indication they don't understand why people keep playing Skyrim to this day.
Bethesda would do well to have everyone on staff play Red Dead Redemption 2. Then try to beat that game's open world experience. Get NPCs to interact better. No loading screens. Write a script with 2015 sensibilities.
@@DV-ou1yu Brother I 100% understand your point, but I played Morrowind 2 years ago. It’s likely I felt that way about it because it’s different from the products we get now.
I'm concerned for ES6... I want it to be good... But ever since Fallout 4... Bethesda has just been taking L, after L, after L and Starfield and Shattered Space isn't helping my concerns
Fallout 4 not only the best selling & still most played Fallout game of all time, but also among the top selling of all games.... you're reaching into BS land for that "opinion" facts are more useful, if you simply dont like something, thats perfectly valid, but you dont need to use flat out falsities to make your point, in fact, it means you dont have a point, other than a non-informative gripe about something you apparently dislike.
LOL, im writing this all the eery music from Farharbor plays in my headphones, I have Fallout4 minimized to watch this video, was having a fun run building settlements today using a bunch of sweet mods, its a lot of fun, I hope they KEEP the building mechanic & take strong cues from the mods that came about to enhance it.
@@macronomicus Just because it sells doesn't make it good. I will admit it's a fun game. BUT it's very stripped down compared to fallout 3 and even New Vegas. Plus the whole voice protagonist and no blank slate starts was also the start of Bethesda going to shit. The only real good praise I will give Fallout 4 is Nuka World and Far Harbor, great DLCs and Far Harbor actual had choices that actual mattered. Minus that Fallout 4 was the start of Bethesda's downfall. Not to mention to this day it still has performance issues in down town Boston, that needs mods to fix it
Expectations? I expect they can give me a beautifully realized world like Skyrim, with a story that made you feel like part of a larger, complex, mysterious world like Morrowind, with an actual sense of humor like Oblivion, and good score and voice acting. I don't want ludonarrative dissonance like Fallout 4, a copy/paste of assets like Fallout 76, or a procedurally generated empty hellscape like Starfield. In other words, I want them to realize their strengths and not repeat their mistakes. Which should not be hard.
@@Ollidor Sorry I'm with putinmahcochin1636 I don't know where you were in 2011 for you to think that was the common sentiment in 2011 but Skyrim was immediately and widely seen as a once in a generation game. It was in the right place at the right time with little competition because very few people saw anything like it before. There is a reason why Bethesda kept reselling it and why it still has the higher active player count among BGS games. Fallout 4 is when the discourse of BGS starting to take a step back began to rise up and even then it was no where near as common a sentiment as it is with Starfield.
I’m worried. I think BGS CAN make an amazing ES6, but with 76 and the creation club, the absolute mid quality of Starfield and the head in the sand mentality they seem to have, I don’t think they’re going to make anything that can live up to expectations after all this time. But my god would I like to be wrong, the Elder Scrolls is peak gaming for me.
Where does all this hope for modern BGS come from from fans? A lot of these comments say similar things, this big hope that they were just playing with Starfield and Fallout 4/76, but for Elder Scrolls they'll put on their serious faces before making content
ES6 doesn't need to be a tremendously different game than Skyrim. It can be the same size, have the same mechanics (except please bring back spell crafting), and the same exploration style. Just give us really good writing, a good story, a fresh coat of paint, and really good exploration with plenty of rewards and unique items/experiences for doing said exploring. Skyrim has an unbelievable amount of content in it and its map is a great size. We don't need all the faff.
@@DoughWilliams It's not complacency lol I'm saying they don't need to shoehorn in a bunch of features for the sake of packing it with features. Obviously we want it modernized and improved but they need to stick to the things they were good at like story and real rewarding exploration
Sadly, I think it would be a miracle if Elder Scrolls 6, or the next Fallout, are anything better than meh. I feel like the magic's gone, it's just gone.
The problem with Bethesda game studios is that their game design is super outdated now. You look at the best open world games released in the past 10 years and you see what makes them great is how you can just go anywhere you want and get lost without feeling restricted in doing so. Elden Ring, Red Dead 2, and Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom are perfect examples of this. Also the characters that Bethesda makes are super unmemorable and just overall BORING so their writing has to improve big time. They feel like a studio that got stuck in 2011 and hasn’t evolved since, whereas every other studio has graduated to the next big thing.
It's funny because I can't connect with any of those worlds. The only open world games I can truly get lost in are Bethesda ones. I want towns and cities with living people and to feel like I am the character and to interact with the objects and go to the store in opening hours and by a house. You can't do these things in most barren open world games.
I do agree the writing and characters need to be better, but I honestly don't care if the games are considered "outdated" or not. Who decides that anyway? I can make up my own mind on what I consider "outdated." I play those games because I like them and find them fun, just like I also like to play other open world games too, including the ones you mentioned and don't play the ones that don't appeal to me, just like people can choose to not play BGS games if they don't appeal to them. I enjoy having flavours and variety. I don't need every game doing whatever is trendy or going to UE engine and getting lost in a sea of other UE engine games. If I want Red Dead on Rockstar's rage engine, It exists and I can play it regardless of its pros and cons , but I'll always still go back to creation engine games because they have their own unique pros and cons too. I don't need TES VI becoming a Red Dead, Elden Ring or Ubisoft clone. If they do that, I fear I will have very little reason to play newer entries and will likely just stick with the ones built on CE.
@@alexhodgkinson6718 agreed 100% although I do like other games too. I just accept that they are "other" games that I can play too. I enjoy variety and flavour, as well as having a selection of different game engines filled with different pros and cons and I can pick whatever I'm in the mood for depending on what kind of experience I'm looking for at that point in time. What's funny about all this is that I feel zero need to go around saying that other games are "outdated", demand they need to change engines and make countless TH-cam videos about how much I dislike their newest entry and how "bad" it is (you know who you are). I can simply say "hey, this game isn't my cup of tea" and move on to things I personally enjoy.... Like BGS games built on Creation Engine 😂
@@Reds-Retros I wouldn’t say Bethesda needs to go after what is trendy, far from that. But they should definitely be studying what their competitors are doing in the gaming landscape and at the end of the day the market will speak for itself. Nothing wrong if you enjoy Starfield but out of all the games that they’ve made it’s the one that people least care about and that’s just a fact. They need to do something that will stick with people because as of now they are no longer the top players in the industry like they were when Skyrim released. People still play Skyrim and Fallout 4 to this day but Starfield has lost more than 75 percent of its player base already. Not a good sign at all if you ask me.
@@echos9396 completely fair points. I have no issues with people just wanting the games to innovate and be better and completely agree with that general idea, I'm just sick of people crapping all over them as if they're the worst things ever made and blaming the engine. While I did personally enjoy most of my experience with Starfield (250+ hours) it is still my least favourite modern BGS single player game and they definitely need to up their game for TES VI. They really need to focus less on building games to be played forever and put more focus on meaningful choices, consequences and replayability in smaller, more densely packed, interesting worlds in my personal opinion.
@@ArchStanton340yea i didn’t liked the mechanic compared to bg3. Wel mostly i rather have moving and attacking a separate thing. Can do away with rng garbage. In combat? Sure whatever but not outside.
A big issue I've had with BGS titles since the Morrowind days is they've been simplifying mechanics and rpg systems. You start seeing it with the implementation of immortal characters so the player can't break the main story and skills going from 27 in Morrowind to 21 in Oblivion then to 18 in Skyrim. They've reduced crunchy numbers and skill complexity to make the games more inclusive which is great for building a community but it makes the experience more generic across each playthrough, and while removing some fluff is great for overall game flow nearly cutting the system in half removes a lot of personal options one has. They did something similar with Fallout's skill system, by changing it from a system where you invested into skills and SPECIAL ranks which unlocked sometimes gameplay changing perks and instead making it a generic skill tree. The added clarity was a good change, but the removal of complexity was unnecessary. We see this culminate in Starfield which tries to take from both but winds up not feeling great to interact with mechanically because of the way skill challenges are set up making it both overcomplicated and oversimplified, and just plain tedious at times.
I'm glad that I have other games to play. I often hear the argument "Did you even play your own game" but in BGS case I also want to ask them "Have you played any other games?".
Yes, the problem with ES 6 is Skyrim. Because it's been played so much, and so sucessful, it lures Bethesda into the false idea that a certain number of the directions they were taking were the good ones, all while not seeing that the talents that were leaving them gradually (Kirkbride, Nelson, Rolson, Kuhlmann) would leave their creative force bare-boned. So I 100% agree with you Matty, glad to see you're spot on, it's good to have you defending good gaming in a level-headed way
Bethesda is not righting their ship. They didn't learn the lessons of Falllout 4, 76, and now Starfield. They have a lead designer in Emil Pagliarulo who for some reason believes that writing isn't important despite the successes of Witcher 3, RDR2, and BG3. TESVI has to fail spectacularly before any self-reflection can begin. But the anticipation for TESVI is so high that it can be shiny turd and will still sell 10 million copies on release.
The massive problem here is that they clearly are not willing to hear real constructive criticism. These reviews aren’t bad because people hate Bethesda they are bad because people care about Bethesdas worlds and do not want to see them continue down this path.
Early access of Baldurs Gate 3 seems to have helped that game with Larian listening to the people on what worked and what didn't work and they adjusted accordingly. Do you think ES6 would benefit from that type of release, Matty?
Well they originally had 1000 play testers for Starfield in 2021, they got scrapped for bots. Yes bots were used to officially play test Starfield, source the man himself Todd Howard 2022.
How could you possibly be excited for a bethesda game at this point? Absolutely no innovation, no imagination, awful writing that is so safe and so obviouse that they are TERRIFIED to do or say anything that might upset the progressive base which basicaly means anything realistic or interesting. The world of starfield feels artificial, the conflicts feel artificial and the writing is soulless and at a grade 5 level
It's not the engine. It's the current quality of talent and management utilizing the engine. Modders have long proven that the engine is way more capable than Bethesda is.
💯💯💯 I don’t give af about the game engine because even if this game was polished as hell with no loading screens it would still be the most boring lifeless shit I’ve ever bothered to download.
I hope they go all out on settlement mode. Base building in No Mans Sky is incredible. And has kept me playing for years. The idea of making a huge castle on a mountainside in Elder Scrolls would be incredible
I believe that Bethesda today is so infested with DEI and loss of talent that it is simply impossible for them to make anything close to their classic games. I have no hope whatsoever for Elder Scrolls VI anymore. Elder Scrolls VII will be 30-40 years away.
I really hope they add back Named NPC’s having their own routines & day / night cycles - as well as all their own homes! It makes the world feel ALIVE even if it means the towns/ cities need to be smaller.
When Microsoft bought Bethesda and Phil said Elder Scrolls VI is going to be an exclusive, I was pissed off as a PlayStation gamer. Now after the release of Starfield and its DLC, I realize that nothing of value was lost.
The 3 things I want added to Starfield the most are: 1) Space flight between planets 🪐; 2) Optional Slow-mo ‘k*ll cams’ & combat / stealth finisher animations; 3) Lots of new full companions / romance options - with evil/ neutral morality.
I love how people say "I want space flight between planets added!" like it is something actually doable with the ancient engine BGS uses. There is a reason why the space side of Starfield is in a fish bowl, it is because that is all the engine can cope with and even then barely. Thinking they can add space travel to Starfield is like thinking you can add a FPS battle royale mode to Pokemon Blue. The issue is BGS shouldn't have went so "big" in the first place because their tech can barely run their previous titles' maps (FO4 still trucks and crashes in the middle of the city to this day)
@@fish5645 I completely agree they should have used a different engine for Starfield to get the most out of it, but space flight can still be done in the current engine. There is a fan made mod called Astrogate which does it.
A long time ago, Todd said in response to TES6 not being in development: “We are not just Elder Scrolls and Fallout. We have a lot of ideas and we want to be able to explore those ideas as we feel so inspired.” (This may be slightly paraphrased - it was a long time ago, after all.) He also said, “We don’t have the technology to do what we want to do with it (in reference to wanting Horse-riding to feel authentic and impactful relative to the scale of the environment it moves in), so we just want to hold off until we’re able to do it the right way. We don’t want to just release TES6 because everyone wants it if we don’t think we can match the giant legacy left by Skyrim.” (Again, maybe not a 1-1 quote, but pretty darn close, and definitely respectful to his words - not slanderous or hyperbolic.) My problem with this is, sorry Todd, you don’t get to decide what Bethesda is known for - you’re already known for Fallout and Elder Scrolls. And, since you’ve given these statements (around the time the very first teaser mountainscape was revealed with the Title TES6), many great games have released who did amazing jobs at horsemanship such as RDR2, many of the medieval sims to include Kingdom Come Deliverance, and even some other games that are less notable (and memorable apparently) but possibly just as fun in their moment. Players don’t need perfection in video games - even though they think they do. What players need is a fun, exciting story with great gameplay offering a lot of player agency. Skyrim certainly isn’t the epitome of current video gaming technological excellence, yet players keep coming back to it - why? Not because the horseriding is amazing, but because everything around it is just… fun. I know that’s terribly subjective, but nevertheless true. It stayed on-design, and delivered on the core vision by not getting distracted by other subsystems (like micro-transactions or forced gameplay loops). If Bethesda wants TES6 to do well, it needs to embrace the game for the game’s established lore, and not in the anticipation of making money. The money will come if they focus on making an excellent game that honors its legacy. The chief complaint I have, however, is not that the excuses feel disingenuous and short-sighted to me, it’s that my generation built the foundation of Skyrim’s success. Unfortunately, many of the generation who started in the early years of The Elder Scrolls fell away when TES 4 released because it no longer felt like the same game. But, my generation took up the mantle - we played TES4 and thought that was amazing! Then, we all held our breath for 11-11-11… SKYRIM!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!! It was the first fully immersible medieval “sim” offering players so many avenues to explore their own vision of a character in a high-fantasy medieval setting: Rogue Mage? Mage with Heavy plate, and the ability to pick locks?! Yes please! But, Todd Howard didn’t respect us. He said, thank you for your loyalty and dedication to Skyrim, we’ll use your money elsewhere instead of giving you Fallout OR TES6. Listen, we’re in our 30s now. Many of us have families (not me 😢) and can’t dedicate time to something as expansive as Skyrim anymore - look at age demographics for WoW - I was there at the very start, but I can’t dedicate my life to a “lifestyle game” like this as much these days. Look at something new and exciting like RDR2 - it even closed its doors - it opened AND closed its doors before TES6 released, and people like me loved the open countryscape and raw feeling of midland USA at the turn of the century in the 1890s. TES6 might be my generation’s last Elder Scrolls because Todd waited so long. Sure, if TES7 DOES release in our lifetime, it’ll be like an amused chuckle: “Oh, heh… that’s cool.” What he should have done is give us TES6 after no less than a decade - we would have been excited if they had maintained Skyrim design theory but just in a new setting - and possibly with new character customization options. Honestly, if I’m any indication of the larger player base, if a game’s setting is cool to look at, the story is at least par for the course, and character customization is ROBUST, we’d be happy even if the horsemanship felt a little off. Heck, if they were able to release Skyrim AGAIN - I know, I know - but have it look so updated and without dumb PNG planes for leaves visible to the unscrutinous eye, we’d be cool with that. In fact, simply reskinning that version to be a desert telling your SpeedTree software to turn all the trees into sagebrushes, a little artistic cleanup, and then BAM - Hammerfell. It’s not that I think their games suck (though I’m clearly more disillusioned than not), it’s that I don’t trust Bethesda anymore to have our best interests at heart. They’ve put themselves in a dangerous/risky position by holding off on TES6 for so long that, honestly, our imagination of TES6 will far outdo anything they release. They will try to create so many planets- I mean ecosystems - and then, not fill them with good game content, telling us that in real life, you could walk through an entire desert without ever seeing any points of interest. This isn’t hyperbolic, they’ve done it before. They’re going to mix in modern-day social politics in an effort to please a community of gamers who don’t care about it, and when all is said and done, the only part worth mentioning won’t even be Horse-Riding. It’ll be a little portion of the game the team phoned in, but that became the most genuine, honest game design element. Needless to say, I’m not enthusiastic about TES6, though I’m interested to see what they do with it. But, if they fail to deliver, I’ll let my candle fade for Bethesda once and for all. It’ll become just another company like Ubisoft, BioWare, or whatever that company was who made Skyrim: Dead on Arrival.
My biggest issue with Starfield was (before it came out) and still is, that they spent resources, and TIME on this game. When they could have put out BOTH a new Fallout and Elder Scrolls game in the time it took to make Starfield. And I could have let that pass, but ONLY if Starfield was a masterpiece, a true 10/10, but it wasn’t. The fact this studio can’t seem to handle making 2 games at a time, is there biggest problem. Starfield would have been fine, and received better, if they actually released an Elder Scrolls and/or Fallout game around the same time. But nope, they wasted a decade of development time on a mediocre game instead. And one other thing I really don’t get, is that TH-camrs, like Matty, NEVER bring this issue up. Especially because it’s so obvious it’s the actual issue at hand. The problem is they barely ever put out games, and then when they actually do it’s stuff nobody wanted, and nobody was asking for, like Starfield and Fallout 76. And ultimately the blames is pretty much solely on Todd Howard’s crappy ego. He thinks the best thing to do is to force people into liking games they don’t want, instead of just putting out the games people keep asking for. And also, at this point, to answer Matty’s question. No Elder Scrolls can NEVER live up to the past. At this point unless it’s an 11/10 it will be a disappointment. And ultimately it’s because it will have taken 15 years+ to actually put out a game people actually want. They should be working on The elder Scrolls and Fallout at the same time, but they’ve proved they’re too dumb to actually do that. It’s not a mystery, people have been telling Bethesda EXACTLY what they want. And Bethesda absolutely refuses to listen. And that’s on them for being complete idiots.
Ohh and forgot the worst part, I actually think Starfield is a good game. But it falls far behind any Fallout (my personal favorite BGS game series) or Elder Scrolls game.
One major factor that has me not as concerned about ES6 as some is that Elder Scrolls and Fallout both have decades of lore and worldbuilding attached to them that the writers can call upon for making a story or at least use as a crutch to fill in plot holes. A writing group coming into ES6 will have to make factions and characters, sure, but they don't also need to make an entire world or universe like they had to with Starfield. Given how Bethesda seems to enjoy splitting teams and lessening efficiency by proxy, having to come up with an entire galaxy worth of content at partial creative strength seemed destined to flounder, and they ended up getting into a habit of half-baking things from there. With ES6 and FO5, the worldbuilding will be there for them to use and build upon. Personally my main concern is that the slippery slope of procedural generation they're on right now becomes too tempting for them to abandon, and they refrain from handcrafting the world like they did with Skyrim and FO4. Using it to make a general canvas for the artists and designers to work with is one thing, but if they use it to make a majority of the content like they did with Starfield then they'll be putting a tree-sized spoke through their wheel. If they can avoid that then the magic of exploration can carry a majority of the game with or without good writing.
All I want is a living elder 6 world..nothing crazy..just skyrim sized hand crafted world where I pick a direction and walk and eventually remember the main story..starfield was all main story and fetch quest... Here example..in skyrim or fallout you leave the start area and can choose a direction and walk..you'll discover a living world with lore..you leave the mine vectera and walk..there's nothing untill you hit a wall saying go back
16:50 one thing i remember Todd mentioned in a interview some years ago was the scale of towns and the amount of npc's, that they wanted better tech to make bigger cities and have more npc's in one area at the same time. Personally im most worried about the writing (lacking edge, being too soft, bland and "safe") and the game being too shallow and casual/dumbed down, since this has been a ongoing trend in Bethesda, each game being more casual and shallow than the previous one.
Bethesda needs to get rid of the “talking heads” NPCs. It’s old, outdated, and prevents Bethesda from hiring a cinematographer that will help frame shots. Baldurs Gate 3 doesn’t get enough credit for how each encounter with NpCs had camera cuts that were all unique. It keeps meeting new NpCs fresh. Bethesda’s whole one frame talking head Schtick is laziness…..through and through.
I disagree. I think it depends on a case by case basis. When it comes to big story moments yes cinematics are better, but if i’m talking to random farmer #9 talking head is just fine
@@Zanzibawrrit’s really not though. Talking heads + bad writing with stiff NPC animations make it’s a snore fest. Framing cuts would actually improve retention for the dialogue, than just skipping through 99% of what they say.
@@ewjiml You just shoehorned another point entirely though, talking heads are not the issue bad writing is. By your own comment if you fixed the writing (fire that PoS Emil) the talking heads wouldn't be such an issue and honestly there are some rare instances where they do some form of cinematic stuff in the past. It is always janky looking at best which is probably again an issue with BGS being an indie company wearing a AAA dev jumper.
Bethesda, ES:VI should have enough “tiny details” for EpicNate to make another hundred videos. That stuff is what makes us want to live in your worlds.
I still do a complete Skyrim playthrough on an annual basis. But after Starfield and Shattered Space, my hopes for Elder Scrolls 6 are completely - if you'll pardon the expression - shattered. Bethesda hasn't made a truly exceptional game since Skyrim, and hasn't made a "good" game since Fallout 4. After listening to 13:37, I honestly don't think you're being objective and honest with yourself on a personal level. Wake up and smell the coffee Matty.
Bethesda is the ageing rock star who keeps reheating the same old tunes, supported by ageing fans who lap it all up because it reminds them of 'the good ol' days', and simply doesn't understand why other people think they're out of touch.
Yea they have 400-500 people on the team, maybe thats the problem. Skyrim had what, 100? Little less? What has changed since skyrim that they need 300-400 more people? Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen, Everything has been a step down since then
I think the issue there is that they don't know how to manage a larger team. Out of those 4-500 people, they broke them up to work on different projects, and still have issues with managing what's left. There was around 250 on Shattered Space. It doesn't show.
I put Starfield down after a week or two of playing it after release. I waited damn near 8 months before picking it back up. I thought at this point if it’s not fun, given the amount of time mods had to round off some of the edges, there’s just no hope of Salvaging the game. I noticed immediately the mods were very lack luster. To me that was a red flag right out the gate. I still managed to put 15 QoL mods in the game. Played the game the about 20 hours over the course of a week. I just couldn’t get into it. I traveled to about a dozen planets/moons back to back. I think all but one of them were completely empty of any sort of combat POIs. The exploration is just as atrocious as when I first played it. I can’t believe they felt the amount of loading screens was acceptable. It really doesn’t feel like you’re traveling or exploring. The base building is somehow a downgrade from FO4. The only thing they did well in my opinion was spaceship design, however, you can’t fly around with it basically 95% of the time. So all of that good, is wasted. It’s clear modders can’t salvage the game, and the fact that there aren’t any memes or fandom really surrounding the game speaks volumes.
i just feel like the investors money is more valued than the customers money. starfield was bethesdas most "family friendly" game ever, in a long line of sacrificing immersion and entertainment for safe and bland. bethesda made their name off taking risks and now they seem at the extreme endpoint where i dont think they are willing to take any risk however small for the sake of the customer. the TES6 trailer especially felt like they used us to get a better deal with microsoft. they just dont care about the peasants anymore.
One of the biggest problems with the creation engine is it doesn't seem to allow for grand cities filled with people the way Witcher 3 does or RDR2 does. When you play Witcher 3 and go into a city it feels life size, it feels like you are in a real living, breathing city that is teaming with characters and life. When you go into a Bethesda town it feels like a small stage play with ten people in it
I'm excited for ES6, but will remain skeptical. I felt the same about Starfield and I'm glad I didn't preorder. Watching TH-camrs play the game and seeing all the bugs etc was enough to convince me not to buy it.
@@richardsgrowingpains6459 _If_ indeed does come to PS5, of course most of us would buy it, If anything, it would be to test it and properly dislike and criticize it as it is meant to be. Currently, we PS users are only 'working' with others' experiences.
Honestly after Starfield, and the updates/persistent bugs & glitches we still have in Fallout 76 - I have very little faith in them producing a good game again. I am no longer hyped for Elder Scrolls 6 nor Fallout 5. They will have to massively surprise me for my feelings about the company to change at this point, and this is coming from someone whos beaten and loves Oblivion, FO3, FO4, Skyrim, and most of the main and side missions in FO76.
completely lost all trust in the company. I remember Skyrim release night and my first hour with the game "this feels like an Oblivion re-skin". Every game since Oblivion feels the exact same. They need to change a lot.
I firmly believe they've been told to strap in and make sure tes 6 is perfect. Could you imagine being MS right now and spending all that money on zenimax and all you have to show for it is redfall and Starfield? No way they haven't had some uncomfortable conversations.
If they had just come out and admitted that Starfield lacks in a variety of ways, most of those stemming back to a departure from what made people like their games in the first place.... That may have helped quite a bit with all of the pessimism. But as it stands, them peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining is probably the biggest problem for me.
One of the main issues I've had with Beteshda in the past... 10 years?! Is, they put out a game with potential, modders come in and turn those games into amazing stuff. And Beteshda seems to learn nothing from all that data and all those mods. After so many years, my only conclusion is, Beteshda thinks whatever they put out there will just be ok and enough, no sense of urgency to improve over the stuff they could just by learning from all the data they already have from playtime and mods.
I think all of these AAA studios have been affected by bureaucratic bloat and corporate shenanigans. Too many managers. Too much appeasing. Too much HR. Too many unqualified employees that got their positions to fill quotas and check boxes Too many writers that don't know how to write Too much design by committee Too much chasing 5 year old trends Too long of a development time Too much outside input on pricing models Too much of an insistence on making a game for "everyone" in order to sell more copies And a complete disregard for what gamers actually want
I fear greatly for the game, TBH I think Bethesda is too hungry when it comes to size, and I imagine they probably will do all of Tamriel. I remember in the lex fridman interview when todd was asked where ES6 will take place me smirked and said "Tamriel", he said it to be interpreted as somewhere in Tamriel, but I think he meant it literally. I have no idea if ES6 will be good or bad, but what I do know is if ES6 mid or lower, I'm done with bethesda lol
Probably not all of Tamriel but something like two provinces: Hammerfell and High Rock. I rather have them full ass Hammerfell instead of spreading themselves too thin.
@@Chtigga I like the idea of Hammerfell and Highrock, if you add the two together they are around twice the size of skyrim, with bethesda's team size increase after skyrim they could probably pull it off. My worry that its all of tamriel stems from bethesda mindset right now, instead of 1 or 2 solar systems in starfield they chose dozens, as much as I'd prefer them to scale back I think they are just too big in there own head and would rather go as big as humanly possible, even if that means sacrificing quality. I guess we will see though.
@@michaelmana I would still prefer them to focus 100% of their attention on just Hammerfell, to flesh out the lore, the cities, the landscape, the different cultures, etc... But with the current state of Bethesda, I'm genuinely worried.
@@Chtigga ya thats fair. Regardless bethesda has a big problem on their hands. If the fans are dreading your next release instead of excitement, it really goes to show how far in the wrong direction bethesda has gone, fingers crossed I guess 😭
Honestly, I'm excited that indie developers are gonna be even more on the rise, since the triple A space is completely broken. But also worried about what is gonna happen to the triple A space 💀
Here's the future of BGS: -They will learn nothing from Starfield because Emil doesn't want to hear it and will approach ES6 however he wants. -ES6 will be horrible slop but will still sell a ton because people have been waiting for it for over a decade. The studio will still make money, Microsoft will be happy with Gamepass numbers, etc. -Still having learned nothing, they will move on to Fallout 5 which will tie into the new "lore" being built by the Fallout TV show. It will be even worse than FO4 and will still sell well. -At this point Todd and Emil will retire on their own terms and gets lots of accolades from the industry. -Studio leadership will be given to their hand-picked successors, meaning the odds of anything significantly changing are low. -At this point we will all be dead or have too much arthritis to be able to play whatever comes next in our nursing homes.
I can’t get excited for anything BGS does anymore because since fallout 4 it’s just been nothing but disappointing releases and no signs that the Bethesda that we loved is capable of making anything good anymore
@@GangstarComputerGod It's usually old people who do not understand we can see player numbers. Seen one post on Steam for Starfield months ago with some guy basically saying that we have no idea how many people are playing on PC in that moment and there could be millions. People obviously pointed to the player count number and SteamDB and he went full boomer denial. There are genuinely some dusty old c*nts who seem to think Starfield is wildly popular and yes I include Todd and Emil in that number.
Starfield is the most disappointing game release I've ever had, and I started playing games with pacman tabletop at Pizza Hut. I love Skyrim and FO4 and continue to play them. Starfield is just boring to me and it just doesn't feel like either of those games. I do not understand why they have not been all hands to ES6, and it's betrayal the way that has just fallen by the wayside.
It depends on how far along ES6 is it's development. If it's decently far in, it'll probably be impossible to fundamentally change the core of the game. If it's still relatively early they may need to scrap certain ideas, but they could still make a turn around.
Why are you saying this in every Video? "I normaly dont want to make so Videos about only bad stuff". Look at your channel Matty, 95% of your Videos are about bad things in the gaming Industrie...... And thats fully ok, but dont say "you dont want to make them".
Sometimes I wonder if Bethesda are a little arrogant, and get held back by this. It can feel like they don’t want to learn from other games/studios and would prefer to just keep making small additions to their established formula without admitting that it is out of date in a lot of ways. A great example is CDPR with the Witcher 3 vs Cyberpunk, where they didn’t just do the same thing again but with a futuristic coat of paint and now, imo, the Witcher feels noticeably old fashioned in its design and presentation compared to Cyberpunk.
Until Emil Pagliarulo leaves this company, I am not interested in absolutely whatever they make. He is the definition of what is wrong with modern day developers and I can´t support that.
I look at everything they make and it's just not good enough. The writing is absolutely atrocious, lacking any depth and meaningful story. You have no true choice/consequence in whatever you do. The npc's looks & animations are absolutely horrendous. Basic game functions are locked away as skills to unlock. But hey, at least I can pick up every object, right?
As someone who found and fell in love with Bethesda through watching his uncle play Oblivion on release day in his parents basement when I was 9. I am rooting for them to make a great game again. I’m hoping they can make it where all the factions don’t tie into each other like in Fallout 4 which made the game seem shorter. (I know they didn’t tie the factions in Starfield) I’m also hoping they go back to when every location was unique with a unique story and you didn’t come across the same randomly generated duplicated outpost with the same note to discover. They need a more Red Dead 2 mixed with Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, excellent story writing, not just falling asleep to dialogue. I have hope, I just don’t know what to expect after the last decade of “not as good as the previous” But Elder Scrolls is my baby and I hope I can enjoy it
The Bethesda that made Skyrim and Fallout 4 doesn't exist anymore. So expecting the same quality from them is just wrong. Starfield is what they do now, and that is what we are gonna get in ES6.
Honestly, if they get away from this Creation Club marketplace and return to the philosophy they had from Oblivion to Skyrim then Elder Scrolls VI will be good. Due to the bulls*it excuse they make to justify paid mods, claiming it is to reward certain mod authors. We were happy with our genuine passion and love of modding. I disagree with Matty that BGS should refrain from the Skyrim model of "living" in their games. I bought Skyrim after waiting in line on the evening of 11/10/2011. Guess what game is at this very second playing on my PC as I type this comment? Exactly, a fun, interactive open world game that you can mod the sh*to out of wins out ever time. I recreated tv series, book series, movies with my Skyrim games. Lets double-check if people hate Sims....oh actually they don't! I feel that non-modders and very casual modders will never quite feel the same as decades long modders feel about Oblivion, Skyrim and the Fallout main series games. No dig at them, it is just a matter of the amount of time and passion. I feel that most who blindly went into Starfield and those who wore rose colored sunglasses are the ones who are freaking out over Elder Scrolls VI. I never believed in that hype over Starfield, therefore my only concern for Elder Scrolls VI is based upon the narrative, time frame length from Skyrim to Elder Scrolls VI, the writing, the soundtrack (Jeremy!!!!!), and if we can circumvent around those damn Creation Paid Mods scam. Then I'll be hanging out and contorting with Daedric Princes like my name is Merid-Nunda. Bring on the Scrolls!!!!!!! Sh*t I am more hyped now!!!!!!
Please Bethesda, quality over quantity. We don't care if your map for ES6 is x16 times the size of Skyrim but WHAT is on it and how immersive it is.
yeah and new tech. Loading screens on that scale aren't acceptable anymore.
Not just that. The idea of the "forever game that never ends" needs to go too.
I don't mind not experiencing everything in the game on one character.
Write the game so the NPCs treat my character differently based off what I've done not just add random one off comments
I hope elder scrolls 6 takes place in modern times and lets you steal cars and take part in heists
nah bethesda's future is RIP
Lol @@davesnothere4738
What Bethesda desperately need is talented and experienced dedicated writers to fill the world with content. The more accomplished these writers are the better.
Best they can do is more Emil slop!
Yup... It's just slop.. Has been since skyrim
Apparently the people of 3DNPC mod work on bethesda now. so I have hope on TES6
Sadly the head writer and NPC designer are both NPCs
Totally agree!!!
I just hope to be alive when ES VI comes out. I am already 54, and was 41 when Skyrim launched.
I hope to still be alive too bro haha. This game better be good
It’s ridiculous how long they take for games anymore
All I can say is The Wayward Realms cant drop fast enough. Ill wait as long as it takes for that to be done, but the vision they have for that will scratch the itch of ES6 and many more not thought of yet.
I hear ya, I'll be 59 next month. One or two more in my lifetime.
I was in middle school when Skyrim launched, I might possibly be a homeowner when TES VI launches. Every generation is feeling these long gaps between games.
A big reason I’m concerned for ES6 (that I rarely ever see mentioned) is that I don’t think BGS is willing to take risks when it comes to the lore or settings anymore. The thing that sets elder scrolls apart from other fantasy settings is the batshit crazy/convoluted lore and the fantastical environments. I think that media companies as a whole are not willing to take creative risks which is why we have so many reboots, remakes, and recycled material/mechanics. As greats as Skyrim is, BGS has slowly dulled down their lore since Morrowind and I fear that will continue.
"concerned". dude. wake up. ES6 is done. They have been infiltrated by woke just like Ubisoft and the other once great companies. It's done.
This is very true. I want to play in a setting where I run the risk of running into a lizard man that serves powdered deer penis to his patrons or a random elf woman in the city asking me what the fine is for necrophilia. Feels like BGS is trying to divorce themselves from much of what made the prior games' settings interesting.
I'll hold out the hope that Bethesda has a great storyline in mind for TESVI. It's arguably their best IP, they care a lot about its lore, and they probably had the story panned out a while ago. *huffs copium*
@@larrycrabcake9025the story for oblivion and Skyrim was ass so I highly doubt it
Thank you, people forget who insane and in many cases incredibly dark elder scrolls lore is and its world. It’s basically lord of the rings but without the Christianity redemption arc.
Ever race in the series commits genocide, war crimes and holy wars. Hell it’s often stated by elder scrolls fans that in this world it’s actually immoral to not do such acts because of how evil elves and other races are. Pelinal is an individual who wiped out the Alyieds and in order to wear his armour you have to have good morality meaning the gods even endorse it.
Other aspects of the series also can’t be used in the “modern” age. Things like races having genetic advantages over others, the fact that all player characters are/were male (Neravar has no been reconned to unknown), only having four human races which are distinct from one another (Darwinism and old thought of how human groups developed).
I think the reason why elder scrolls was so successful (besides being just a fun adventure) was that the world tapped into ancient mythology and classical tales from old ages both in the horrific and the magical.
The feeling of doing whatever you please in daggerfall, the otherworldly feeling of morrowind, the classical chivalrous nature of oblivion, and the Beowulf feeling of epicness in Skyrim. Regardless of where it is (high rock or Hammerfell) there’s no way a modern game studio can capture the old magic. This was the case of starfield as now you have to play it safe. Starfield should have been a more depressing experience. The majority of humanity was killed on earth, constant wars between a Roman esc republic vs a libertarian collective destroying each other only for a space jihad to occur and them xenos on steroids to appear with the character becoming a heartless god that transcends existence. It should have been a tale in which while humanity has achieved colonization among the stars and advanced to new scientific heights it has to loose its birthplace, identity and sense of belonging in the universe. They tried to tap into that with Consolation being this once proud colonial group of explorers but now is a relic of an old age.
It's actually crazy, ES6 was announced before I met my wife. This year was our 5 year wedding anniversary and I feel like I've known her my whole life.
I don't want to play the same game for 10 years. I want new , reasonably sized entries every few years. I want to see new, creative experiences made by devs starting from scratch and crafting the game they want from the ground up, rather than crammed-in expansions adding to an ever-expanding tech debt in an aging game. It's a shame we will fewer worlds and characters because of this obsession with bloated games with too much longevity for their own good.
Yea it's why I stopped playing and started hating gtao
Yes, the fromsoft approach.
I dont mind if they could make a map like 76 and writing of vegas
@@SilentSpringzzzIn your wildest dreams pal. Will never happen.
Beth is tired. They're a zombie studio, shuffling along making noises that sound familiar, but it's not alive.
Weekend at Bethsoft's
Same with Bioware sadly.
@@roryloltrue, Microsoft will look to buy them soon too, they love buying dead studios
Feel the same way about most studios nowadays the industry lacks excitement as of late
Agreed 👍
I agree with you that we're seeing a lot of consequences from bad design decisions. The point I disagree is putting faith in BGS. We're seeing a lot of doubtful design decisions, game after game, and from my gamer perspective, I see BGS trying to make that Skyrim experience translated into other universes, and failing on each try they do. And that's the ugly thing I really try not to believe, but it's becoming more and more harder to negate: BGS don't know what they've done to make Skyrim great. And so, they do not know how to make those games after to be as enjoyable as Skyrim was. It's pretty difficult to put some faith at this point.
Exactly. Let's look at what they've done since Fallout 3. Skyrim was a popular success but they kind of dumbed down Elder Scrolls. Fallout 4 was also a huge success, but they dumbed it down too. And since then, it's been extremely hit and miss. Maybe it's time to accept that BGS had a brief window of greatness which has since closed.
I think the main thing people are failing to recognize is that Skyrim is really just not very good either. It comes together to form something fairly enjoyable, and mods can really make it great, but all the other common BGS problems are very much present. Awful writing, UI, extremely simplistic combat, generally dumbed down mechanics, character progression doesn't matter, lack of dialogue and choices, no interesting characters, looks ugly and clunky for its time. Skyrim's success hinges entirely on exploration and mods, that's the only two things that actually work.
@@Monique-iz8lp Recency bias happening in real time lmfao. The game in 2011 was a great game, let's not try and revise history. People loved it despite the memory issues and bugs and attributing its success to mods when majorirty of the players were on consoles is a little strange.
It's longevity, was due to mods. But even then the game was able to be resold on multiplatforms. People liked the characters and meme'd them to death... When was the last time you saw a Starfield character meme?
People just want to bash BGS so want to bring down skyrim in their deluded crusade against a studio going through growing pains.
@@D4C_LoveTrain1 I enjoy Skyrim, I have easy over 1k hours in it just on my pc but let's be honest here Skyrim is a shell of a elder scrolls game compared to morrowind and even oblivion
@@D4C_LoveTrain1 The studio is 20+ years old, they arent growing pains. that would imply the quality of the games is improving over time and its not.
They seem to be focusing on all the wrong things. I still can't get over that they released starfield on pc with no hdr or fov slider, then tried telling people they were wrong for disliking it. "We want seamless travel"..."well, you see. In order to keep the game fun, it was entirely necessary that we have 2012-level physics on 2,000 potatoes"
😂😂😂 oh that brings me back to the sandwich brag. Good times.
"What do you have to say about people having optimisation issues."
"upgrade your PC." - Todd 'the godd' Howard
I remember Todd saying they don't have the tech yet ready for TESVI and now I'm worried what that tech will be, it's their flagship title and will likely be here around 2030. I genuinely hope Xbox look at BGS and invest in an overhaul.
A feature I think Bethesda needs in future games is what CD Projekt Red called "dynamic cutscenes" in Cyberpunk 2077. The characters are motion captured and act out conversations. It adds to the immersion immensely without it feeling like the game is ripping the controller from your hand like traditional cutscenes. I don't mind traditional cinematic cutscenes at all but some people do. I actually love traditional ones in games like Red Dead Redemption 2. And yes I know dynamic cutscenes probably won't make it into Elder Scrolls 6. Bethesda seems quite content with their lifeless NPCs.
Creation engine cannot handle mocap
They desperately need to figure out how to integrate it, but they’re still using entirely hand animated cutscenes and that is absolutely what makes the characters feel like shiny, plasticine dolls. And even then, those animations are stiff. Compare it to baldurs gate 3, from a much smaller company. Those animations are way more dynamic despite not being mocapped. BGS either needs to ditch creation engine or integrate mocap.
The writing and voice acting is pretty mediocre too, but the animations are mainly what make it feels so lifeless.
I dont need npcs on the level of Cyberpunk. Skyrim NPCs were immersive enough for me and had their own schedules. Its Starfields NPCs that are lifeless, sadly.
The dialogue cuts in bgs games is ancient and so damn booooooring
Ew no.
@@hibernate44Ew yes.
I'm personally hoping for a return to the Oblivion "vibe" a return to that feeling of grand adventure and quality content. That of course is in my opinion.
And music :) I'm so excited for skyblivion
keep hoping lmaooo
@@fairyboy444 😢
Oblivion was the last great elder scrolls game.. Much better than skyrim... If they remade morrowind with current production value it would be a 10/10.. Skyrim I would give an 8.. Oblivion a 9
@@johnnyflannigan136 id take that 8 though lol
Fallout London uses the Creation Engine and it’s great. It’s about what you make with it.
Agreed that creation engine cope misses the entire problem. If star field was on Unreal Engine 5 it would still be the most boring slop ever put out by BGS
Not to mention having the game on Creation Engine allows people to pump out content faster because they have had more than a decade to get used to it. Swapping CK for something else would force the entire modding community to learn a new engine. If Starfield wasn't worth it for some modders due to its mediocre nature, such a complex change would cause an exodus.
I first played Skyrim when I was 10 I’m 22 right now I’ve been waiting for the next elder scrolls for over half of my life that is ridiculous and when they made the trailer in 2018 I was under the assumption oh they’re actually making it now AND ITS 2024 and they apparently just started making it and from a customers perspective (I don’t even want to call myself a fan anymore) is absolutely disgusting
I never understood why Starfield didn't have more to do with War and conflict, were just in this period of relative peace. No real faction loyalty choices. No way to join and go to war against another faction. And with a name like "Shattered Space" you would of thought before release, that maybe the Colony Wars return, or maybe House Varuun attempt another Crusade. way better story alternatives then what we got imo.
Because Emil sucks. Dude really thought that everyone's mind was going to be blown because starfield is a multi universe story. 10 years too late when everyone's sick and tired of multiverse storytelling because everyone suddenly and correctly realized how much it sucks. The guy thought starborn was going to be the ultimate selling point.
@@hector00000100hes not even a real writer, he thinks simple stories are the best because he thinks people dont play bethesda games for the story, the reason we dont play it for story is because HE KEEPS WRITING BAD STORIES lol
I think they wanted to avoid another star wars clone. It's really hard to do scifi or space opera when everything has been done before. I mean the biggest space rpg franchise in the last 20 years is probably Mass Effect, which borrows a lot from Star Wars. So in away I can understand why they might have one wanted to risk it and try something unique to them, but it hasn't panned out for them. Hopefully they can do a sequel and fix what went wrong in the first game. If that means turning the game into a Star Wars clone then they should do it. If that doesn't work, then its time to cancel the franchise.
@@Lewis-jn8rythey could have done more about alien wild life as an dangerous story plot for whatever reason. The beast are just that beast to farm xp no story besides that 1 quest line that felt weak. City gets attacked but its over in a second.
Bethesda might have the worst writing team and the biggest fraud leading that writing team in the entire industry.
To me its simple
We need “traditional” exploration, we need a more cinematic approach in certain scenes and animations and they absolutely need better writers.
If they are happy just doing the same things from until now again they wont be award contenders anymore.
Boycott Bethesda.
they already aren't award contenders Lol. Todd sat back and watched as His game one zero awards at The game Awards last year
not only better writers, but more writers in general. it seems their writing teem is barebones
Three key points, very much agree with them.
I couldn’t disagree more. Y’all just want BGS to make BioWare games. Stop, that has NEVER been how BGS games are and no, they would not be better for it. If that’s what you want, play Dragon Age or BG3. That should never be what a BGS game becomes.
100% worried about ES6. Lost all faith in Behesda.
Starfield proved they've learned all the wrong lessons as to why people played their games for so much time. Skyrim and Fallout don't need a NG+ and endless RNG loot and exploration to keep people playing them. The fact they built NG+ into the story and foundation of Starfield is a clear indication they don't understand why people keep playing Skyrim to this day.
Bethesda would do well to have everyone on staff play Red Dead Redemption 2. Then try to beat that game's open world experience. Get NPCs to interact better. No loading screens. Write a script with 2015 sensibilities.
Oh a 20min vid, I’m all in man. On a side note I kinda miss the vibe of Morrowind, it felt so alien when I played it.
It feels alien, but also like home...no other game like it
That’s how I feel about Cyrodiil
You were probably a kid when you played it as well. We will never have that feeling again because we're too jaded as adults now lol
@@PassTheSnails I can see that, Cyrodiil felt more mystical to me, but totally get it.
@@DV-ou1yu Brother I 100% understand your point, but I played Morrowind 2 years ago. It’s likely I felt that way about it because it’s different from the products we get now.
I'm concerned for ES6... I want it to be good... But ever since Fallout 4... Bethesda has just been taking L, after L, after L and Starfield and Shattered Space isn't helping my concerns
Fallout 4 not only the best selling & still most played Fallout game of all time, but also among the top selling of all games.... you're reaching into BS land for that "opinion" facts are more useful, if you simply dont like something, thats perfectly valid, but you dont need to use flat out falsities to make your point, in fact, it means you dont have a point, other than a non-informative gripe about something you apparently dislike.
LOL, im writing this all the eery music from Farharbor plays in my headphones, I have Fallout4 minimized to watch this video, was having a fun run building settlements today using a bunch of sweet mods, its a lot of fun, I hope they KEEP the building mechanic & take strong cues from the mods that came about to enhance it.
@@macronomicus Just because it sells doesn't make it good. I will admit it's a fun game. BUT it's very stripped down compared to fallout 3 and even New Vegas. Plus the whole voice protagonist and no blank slate starts was also the start of Bethesda going to shit. The only real good praise I will give Fallout 4 is Nuka World and Far Harbor, great DLCs and Far Harbor actual had choices that actual mattered. Minus that Fallout 4 was the start of Bethesda's downfall. Not to mention to this day it still has performance issues in down town Boston, that needs mods to fix it
@@macronomicus Far Harbor was great. Fuck it was my favorite part of Fallout 4
Expectations? I expect they can give me a beautifully realized world like Skyrim, with a story that made you feel like part of a larger, complex, mysterious world like Morrowind, with an actual sense of humor like Oblivion, and good score and voice acting. I don't want ludonarrative dissonance like Fallout 4, a copy/paste of assets like Fallout 76, or a procedurally generated empty hellscape like Starfield.
In other words, I want them to realize their strengths and not repeat their mistakes. Which should not be hard.
Well said, I think you summed up my thoughts for me! I've been mentally chewing on my discontent.
@Ollidor Yeah. You're fully wrong. Skyrim was loved nearly immediately.
Cope harder, bud.
@@Ollidor Sorry I'm with putinmahcochin1636 I don't know where you were in 2011 for you to think that was the common sentiment in 2011 but Skyrim was immediately and widely seen as a once in a generation game. It was in the right place at the right time with little competition because very few people saw anything like it before. There is a reason why Bethesda kept reselling it and why it still has the higher active player count among BGS games. Fallout 4 is when the discourse of BGS starting to take a step back began to rise up and even then it was no where near as common a sentiment as it is with Starfield.
@@Ollidorwere you alive in 2011 lmfao
@@Ollidor………………… Wow. So you were trying to god mode history just to defend Starfield
It's cope if you're not worried for their next game.
I’m worried. I think BGS CAN make an amazing ES6, but with 76 and the creation club, the absolute mid quality of Starfield and the head in the sand mentality they seem to have, I don’t think they’re going to make anything that can live up to expectations after all this time. But my god would I like to be wrong, the Elder Scrolls is peak gaming for me.
COPE HARDER. ES6 is going to flop just like starfield. Todd is a stubborn fool...
Where does all this hope for modern BGS come from from fans? A lot of these comments say similar things, this big hope that they were just playing with Starfield and Fallout 4/76, but for Elder Scrolls they'll put on their serious faces before making content
@@vadim6656 I said i think they can make a good game, but don’t think they’re going to…how’s that coping?
@@ChichiNaka Nostalgia I guess, and that for ES, they don’t need to overthink it. It’s not an online multiplayer, and not a new IP with a new style.
@@jond7691 Fingers crossed for you, brother
ES6 can’t possibly live up to expectations that fans have. I genuinely don’t think any studio can live up to hype… but Bethesda definitely can’t.
ES6 doesn't need to be a tremendously different game than Skyrim. It can be the same size, have the same mechanics (except please bring back spell crafting), and the same exploration style. Just give us really good writing, a good story, a fresh coat of paint, and really good exploration with plenty of rewards and unique items/experiences for doing said exploring. Skyrim has an unbelievable amount of content in it and its map is a great size. We don't need all the faff.
"Don't reinvent the wheel."
Wow. Complacency is the answer? This is why Bethesda has been spoon feeding us Skyrim for 13 years.
Nahh wtf, we need better combat system this time, and no loading screens .. mechanics need a massive overhaul
@@DoughWilliams It's not complacency lol I'm saying they don't need to shoehorn in a bunch of features for the sake of packing it with features. Obviously we want it modernized and improved but they need to stick to the things they were good at like story and real rewarding exploration
Bring back first person horse riding
Sadly, I think it would be a miracle if Elder Scrolls 6, or the next Fallout, are anything better than meh. I feel like the magic's gone, it's just gone.
The problem with Bethesda game studios is that their game design is super outdated now. You look at the best open world games released in the past 10 years and you see what makes them great is how you can just go anywhere you want and get lost without feeling restricted in doing so. Elden Ring, Red Dead 2, and Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom are perfect examples of this. Also the characters that Bethesda makes are super unmemorable and just overall BORING so their writing has to improve big time. They feel like a studio that got stuck in 2011 and hasn’t evolved since, whereas every other studio has graduated to the next big thing.
It's funny because I can't connect with any of those worlds. The only open world games I can truly get lost in are Bethesda ones. I want towns and cities with living people and to feel like I am the character and to interact with the objects and go to the store in opening hours and by a house. You can't do these things in most barren open world games.
I do agree the writing and characters need to be better, but I honestly don't care if the games are considered "outdated" or not. Who decides that anyway? I can make up my own mind on what I consider "outdated."
I play those games because I like them and find them fun, just like I also like to play other open world games too, including the ones you mentioned and don't play the ones that don't appeal to me, just like people can choose to not play BGS games if they don't appeal to them.
I enjoy having flavours and variety. I don't need every game doing whatever is trendy or going to UE engine and getting lost in a sea of other UE engine games. If I want Red Dead on Rockstar's rage engine, It exists and I can play it regardless of its pros and cons , but I'll always still go back to creation engine games because they have their own unique pros and cons too. I don't need TES VI becoming a Red Dead, Elden Ring or Ubisoft clone. If they do that, I fear I will have very little reason to play newer entries and will likely just stick with the ones built on CE.
@@alexhodgkinson6718 agreed 100% although I do like other games too. I just accept that they are "other" games that I can play too. I enjoy variety and flavour, as well as having a selection of different game engines filled with different pros and cons and I can pick whatever I'm in the mood for depending on what kind of experience I'm looking for at that point in time.
What's funny about all this is that I feel zero need to go around saying that other games are "outdated", demand they need to change engines and make countless TH-cam videos about how much I dislike their newest entry and how "bad" it is (you know who you are). I can simply say "hey, this game isn't my cup of tea" and move on to things I personally enjoy.... Like BGS games built on Creation Engine 😂
@@Reds-Retros I wouldn’t say Bethesda needs to go after what is trendy, far from that. But they should definitely be studying what their competitors are doing in the gaming landscape and at the end of the day the market will speak for itself. Nothing wrong if you enjoy Starfield but out of all the games that they’ve made it’s the one that people least care about and that’s just a fact. They need to do something that will stick with people because as of now they are no longer the top players in the industry like they were when Skyrim released. People still play Skyrim and Fallout 4 to this day but Starfield has lost more than 75 percent of its player base already. Not a good sign at all if you ask me.
@@echos9396 completely fair points. I have no issues with people just wanting the games to innovate and be better and completely agree with that general idea, I'm just sick of people crapping all over them as if they're the worst things ever made and blaming the engine.
While I did personally enjoy most of my experience with Starfield (250+ hours) it is still my least favourite modern BGS single player game and they definitely need to up their game for TES VI. They really need to focus less on building games to be played forever and put more focus on meaningful choices, consequences and replayability in smaller, more densely packed, interesting worlds in my personal opinion.
I'm not really excited for TES6 anymore but I am excited for Larians next game.
Keep in mind they are _not_ making another Baldur's Gate.
@@Ancor_Vantian Yeah I know. I liked DOS 2 as well so I'm sure their next game will be good.
@@Ancor_Vantian D:OS and D:OS2 were amazing games before BG3. I am reasonably sure that whatever Larian moves onto next will be good.
I wish we got half as many Baldurs Gate videos as we get for Bioware/Bethesda weekly minor update videos
@@ArchStanton340yea i didn’t liked the mechanic compared to bg3. Wel mostly i rather have moving and attacking a separate thing. Can do away with rng garbage. In combat? Sure whatever but not outside.
Literally every night me and my bro get on discord we talk about Bethesda. In a sad way.
With Emil and Todd still there, there is no future.
don't forget Peter Hines. That guy is a nice dude, only I don't see him bearing any sort of talent in the field of imagination
@@a.bettik8698 Oh his gone, retired from Bethesda.
@@Evil_gumby is that so. Well then, he still got plenty of time to contribute to the global mehness around, like the vice-Todd that he was
Your crazy todd brought us morrowind and oblivion fool, not to mention skyrim emil needs reigning in with help from better writers, that's all
@@PenitentTangent-xt2nh Starfield was Todd's dream game. He's wanted to make it for 25 years. THAT was his dream.
Props for wearing an Oilers jersey
My Avs look like 💩
Calgary flames is better. Oilers got destroyed last game
@@ShadarThePcBuilderonly plastic fans rep the team that's playing hotter.
Agreed
A big issue I've had with BGS titles since the Morrowind days is they've been simplifying mechanics and rpg systems. You start seeing it with the implementation of immortal characters so the player can't break the main story and skills going from 27 in Morrowind to 21 in Oblivion then to 18 in Skyrim. They've reduced crunchy numbers and skill complexity to make the games more inclusive which is great for building a community but it makes the experience more generic across each playthrough, and while removing some fluff is great for overall game flow nearly cutting the system in half removes a lot of personal options one has. They did something similar with Fallout's skill system, by changing it from a system where you invested into skills and SPECIAL ranks which unlocked sometimes gameplay changing perks and instead making it a generic skill tree. The added clarity was a good change, but the removal of complexity was unnecessary. We see this culminate in Starfield which tries to take from both but winds up not feeling great to interact with mechanically because of the way skill challenges are set up making it both overcomplicated and oversimplified, and just plain tedious at times.
I'm glad that I have other games to play.
I often hear the argument "Did you even play your own game" but in BGS case I also want to ask them "Have you played any other games?".
Yes, the problem with ES 6 is Skyrim. Because it's been played so much, and so sucessful, it lures Bethesda into the false idea that a certain number of the directions they were taking were the good ones, all while not seeing that the talents that were leaving them gradually (Kirkbride, Nelson, Rolson, Kuhlmann) would leave their creative force bare-boned. So I 100% agree with you Matty, glad to see you're spot on, it's good to have you defending good gaming in a level-headed way
Bethesda is not righting their ship. They didn't learn the lessons of Falllout 4, 76, and now Starfield. They have a lead designer in Emil Pagliarulo who for some reason believes that writing isn't important despite the successes of Witcher 3, RDR2, and BG3. TESVI has to fail spectacularly before any self-reflection can begin. But the anticipation for TESVI is so high that it can be shiny turd and will still sell 10 million copies on release.
The massive problem here is that they clearly are not willing to hear real constructive criticism. These reviews aren’t bad because people hate Bethesda they are bad because people care about Bethesdas worlds and do not want to see them continue down this path.
Early access of Baldurs Gate 3 seems to have helped that game with Larian listening to the people on what worked and what didn't work and they adjusted accordingly. Do you think ES6 would benefit from that type of release, Matty?
Oh no...
Would they even listen? They haven't for 10 years now. Why would they start now?
@@brentherman7393 Good point
@@brentherman7393they didn’t since fallout 3 really or vegas. We wanted RPG but nah boring is what u get
Well they originally had 1000 play testers for Starfield in 2021, they got scrapped for bots. Yes bots were used to officially play test Starfield, source the man himself Todd Howard 2022.
I'm not concerned with ES6. I've lost interest in it. Bethesda can't be trusted.
How could you possibly be excited for a bethesda game at this point? Absolutely no innovation, no imagination, awful writing that is so safe and so obviouse that they are TERRIFIED to do or say anything that might upset the progressive base which basicaly means anything realistic or interesting. The world of starfield feels artificial, the conflicts feel artificial and the writing is soulless and at a grade 5 level
As I get older, immersion is everything. I want to be captivated, and pay attention to all the details, and nuances. Less is more.
It's not the engine. It's the current quality of talent and management utilizing the engine. Modders have long proven that the engine is way more capable than Bethesda is.
💯💯💯 I don’t give af about the game engine because even if this game was polished as hell with no loading screens it would still be the most boring lifeless shit I’ve ever bothered to download.
I hope they go all out on settlement mode. Base building in No Mans Sky is incredible. And has kept me playing for years. The idea of making a huge castle on a mountainside in Elder Scrolls would be incredible
I believe that Bethesda today is so infested with DEI and loss of talent that it is simply impossible for them to make anything close to their classic games. I have no hope whatsoever for Elder Scrolls VI anymore. Elder Scrolls VII will be 30-40 years away.
their problems are not DEI 😂their biggest problems are the white dudes in charge
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I really hope they add back Named NPC’s having their own routines & day / night cycles - as well as all their own homes! It makes the world feel ALIVE even if it means the towns/ cities need to be smaller.
When Microsoft bought Bethesda and Phil said Elder Scrolls VI is going to be an exclusive, I was pissed off as a PlayStation gamer. Now after the release of Starfield and its DLC, I realize that nothing of value was lost.
Phil did us all a favor making Bethesda exclusive 😂
The 3 things I want added to Starfield the most are:
1) Space flight between planets 🪐;
2) Optional Slow-mo ‘k*ll cams’ & combat / stealth finisher animations;
3) Lots of new full companions / romance options - with evil/ neutral morality.
Why would flying between planets even help at this point? Why would you? So you can scan rocks?
I love how people say "I want space flight between planets added!" like it is something actually doable with the ancient engine BGS uses. There is a reason why the space side of Starfield is in a fish bowl, it is because that is all the engine can cope with and even then barely. Thinking they can add space travel to Starfield is like thinking you can add a FPS battle royale mode to Pokemon Blue. The issue is BGS shouldn't have went so "big" in the first place because their tech can barely run their previous titles' maps (FO4 still trucks and crashes in the middle of the city to this day)
@@fish5645 I completely agree they should have used a different engine for Starfield to get the most out of it, but space flight can still be done in the current engine. There is a fan made mod called Astrogate which does it.
People don`t want to admit this but Shattered Space was part of the main game and for sure was sold as a DLC to the suckers who bought this early on.
They should re-hire Michael Kirkbride to make more lore, factions, & designs for Starfield & TES6.
As long as Emil Pagliarulo is in charge of the writing and design decisions at Bethesda my hype to new Bethesda game is very tempered automatically.
My expectations for ES6 are so low now that Bethesda probably can actually hit them.
A long time ago, Todd said in response to TES6 not being in development: “We are not just Elder Scrolls and Fallout. We have a lot of ideas and we want to be able to explore those ideas as we feel so inspired.” (This may be slightly paraphrased - it was a long time ago, after all.) He also said, “We don’t have the technology to do what we want to do with it (in reference to wanting Horse-riding to feel authentic and impactful relative to the scale of the environment it moves in), so we just want to hold off until we’re able to do it the right way. We don’t want to just release TES6 because everyone wants it if we don’t think we can match the giant legacy left by Skyrim.” (Again, maybe not a 1-1 quote, but pretty darn close, and definitely respectful to his words - not slanderous or hyperbolic.)
My problem with this is, sorry Todd, you don’t get to decide what Bethesda is known for - you’re already known for Fallout and Elder Scrolls. And, since you’ve given these statements (around the time the very first teaser mountainscape was revealed with the Title TES6), many great games have released who did amazing jobs at horsemanship such as RDR2, many of the medieval sims to include Kingdom Come Deliverance, and even some other games that are less notable (and memorable apparently) but possibly just as fun in their moment. Players don’t need perfection in video games - even though they think they do. What players need is a fun, exciting story with great gameplay offering a lot of player agency. Skyrim certainly isn’t the epitome of current video gaming technological excellence, yet players keep coming back to it - why? Not because the horseriding is amazing, but because everything around it is just… fun. I know that’s terribly subjective, but nevertheless true. It stayed on-design, and delivered on the core vision by not getting distracted by other subsystems (like micro-transactions or forced gameplay loops).
If Bethesda wants TES6 to do well, it needs to embrace the game for the game’s established lore, and not in the anticipation of making money. The money will come if they focus on making an excellent game that honors its legacy.
The chief complaint I have, however, is not that the excuses feel disingenuous and short-sighted to me, it’s that my generation built the foundation of Skyrim’s success. Unfortunately, many of the generation who started in the early years of The Elder Scrolls fell away when TES 4 released because it no longer felt like the same game. But, my generation took up the mantle - we played TES4 and thought that was amazing! Then, we all held our breath for 11-11-11… SKYRIM!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!! It was the first fully immersible medieval “sim” offering players so many avenues to explore their own vision of a character in a high-fantasy medieval setting: Rogue Mage? Mage with Heavy plate, and the ability to pick locks?! Yes please!
But, Todd Howard didn’t respect us. He said, thank you for your loyalty and dedication to Skyrim, we’ll use your money elsewhere instead of giving you Fallout OR TES6. Listen, we’re in our 30s now. Many of us have families (not me 😢) and can’t dedicate time to something as expansive as Skyrim anymore - look at age demographics for WoW - I was there at the very start, but I can’t dedicate my life to a “lifestyle game” like this as much these days. Look at something new and exciting like RDR2 - it even closed its doors - it opened AND closed its doors before TES6 released, and people like me loved the open countryscape and raw feeling of midland USA at the turn of the century in the 1890s. TES6 might be my generation’s last Elder Scrolls because Todd waited so long. Sure, if TES7 DOES release in our lifetime, it’ll be like an amused chuckle: “Oh, heh… that’s cool.” What he should have done is give us TES6 after no less than a decade - we would have been excited if they had maintained Skyrim design theory but just in a new setting - and possibly with new character customization options. Honestly, if I’m any indication of the larger player base, if a game’s setting is cool to look at, the story is at least par for the course, and character customization is ROBUST, we’d be happy even if the horsemanship felt a little off. Heck, if they were able to release Skyrim AGAIN - I know, I know - but have it look so updated and without dumb PNG planes for leaves visible to the unscrutinous eye, we’d be cool with that. In fact, simply reskinning that version to be a desert telling your SpeedTree software to turn all the trees into sagebrushes, a little artistic cleanup, and then BAM - Hammerfell.
It’s not that I think their games suck (though I’m clearly more disillusioned than not), it’s that I don’t trust Bethesda anymore to have our best interests at heart. They’ve put themselves in a dangerous/risky position by holding off on TES6 for so long that, honestly, our imagination of TES6 will far outdo anything they release. They will try to create so many planets- I mean ecosystems - and then, not fill them with good game content, telling us that in real life, you could walk through an entire desert without ever seeing any points of interest. This isn’t hyperbolic, they’ve done it before. They’re going to mix in modern-day social politics in an effort to please a community of gamers who don’t care about it, and when all is said and done, the only part worth mentioning won’t even be Horse-Riding. It’ll be a little portion of the game the team phoned in, but that became the most genuine, honest game design element.
Needless to say, I’m not enthusiastic about TES6, though I’m interested to see what they do with it. But, if they fail to deliver, I’ll let my candle fade for Bethesda once and for all. It’ll become just another company like Ubisoft, BioWare, or whatever that company was who made Skyrim: Dead on Arrival.
My biggest issue with Starfield was (before it came out) and still is, that they spent resources, and TIME on this game. When they could have put out BOTH a new Fallout and Elder Scrolls game in the time it took to make Starfield. And I could have let that pass, but ONLY if Starfield was a masterpiece, a true 10/10, but it wasn’t. The fact this studio can’t seem to handle making 2 games at a time, is there biggest problem. Starfield would have been fine, and received better, if they actually released an Elder Scrolls and/or Fallout game around the same time. But nope, they wasted a decade of development time on a mediocre game instead.
And one other thing I really don’t get, is that TH-camrs, like Matty, NEVER bring this issue up. Especially because it’s so obvious it’s the actual issue at hand. The problem is they barely ever put out games, and then when they actually do it’s stuff nobody wanted, and nobody was asking for, like Starfield and Fallout 76. And ultimately the blames is pretty much solely on Todd Howard’s crappy ego. He thinks the best thing to do is to force people into liking games they don’t want, instead of just putting out the games people keep asking for.
And also, at this point, to answer Matty’s question. No Elder Scrolls can NEVER live up to the past. At this point unless it’s an 11/10 it will be a disappointment. And ultimately it’s because it will have taken 15 years+ to actually put out a game people actually want. They should be working on The elder Scrolls and Fallout at the same time, but they’ve proved they’re too dumb to actually do that. It’s not a mystery, people have been telling Bethesda EXACTLY what they want. And Bethesda absolutely refuses to listen. And that’s on them for being complete idiots.
Ohh and forgot the worst part, I actually think Starfield is a good game. But it falls far behind any Fallout (my personal favorite BGS game series) or Elder Scrolls game.
Emil is like the tailor from the story "The Emperor is Naked." Bethesda will soon realize that she is standing before us in her underwear
One major factor that has me not as concerned about ES6 as some is that Elder Scrolls and Fallout both have decades of lore and worldbuilding attached to them that the writers can call upon for making a story or at least use as a crutch to fill in plot holes. A writing group coming into ES6 will have to make factions and characters, sure, but they don't also need to make an entire world or universe like they had to with Starfield. Given how Bethesda seems to enjoy splitting teams and lessening efficiency by proxy, having to come up with an entire galaxy worth of content at partial creative strength seemed destined to flounder, and they ended up getting into a habit of half-baking things from there. With ES6 and FO5, the worldbuilding will be there for them to use and build upon.
Personally my main concern is that the slippery slope of procedural generation they're on right now becomes too tempting for them to abandon, and they refrain from handcrafting the world like they did with Skyrim and FO4. Using it to make a general canvas for the artists and designers to work with is one thing, but if they use it to make a majority of the content like they did with Starfield then they'll be putting a tree-sized spoke through their wheel. If they can avoid that then the magic of exploration can carry a majority of the game with or without good writing.
if emil is the head writer for ES6 i'm afraid you're going to be greatly disappointed
you have a problem tho dood; Bethesda doesn't employ writers. Their level designers are their writers.
They should hire this guy he knows what hes talking about
All I want is a living elder 6 world..nothing crazy..just skyrim sized hand crafted world where I pick a direction and walk and eventually remember the main story..starfield was all main story and fetch quest...
Here example..in skyrim or fallout you leave the start area and can choose a direction and walk..you'll discover a living world with lore..you leave the mine vectera and walk..there's nothing untill you hit a wall saying go back
16:50 one thing i remember Todd mentioned in a interview some years ago was the scale of towns and the amount of npc's, that they wanted better tech to make bigger cities and have more npc's in one area at the same time.
Personally im most worried about the writing (lacking edge, being too soft, bland and "safe") and the game being too shallow and casual/dumbed down, since this has been a ongoing trend in Bethesda, each game being more casual and shallow than the previous one.
Bethesda needs to get rid of the “talking heads” NPCs. It’s old, outdated, and prevents Bethesda from hiring a cinematographer that will help frame shots. Baldurs Gate 3 doesn’t get enough credit for
how each encounter with NpCs had camera cuts that were all unique. It keeps meeting new NpCs fresh. Bethesda’s whole one frame talking head Schtick is laziness…..through and through.
Tbh fallout 4 improved the dialogue camera then 76 removed it again
@@sagenebula7120 I know right! I was utterly perplexed. It’s straight up laziness.
I disagree. I think it depends on a case by case basis.
When it comes to big story moments yes cinematics are better, but if i’m talking to random farmer #9 talking head is just fine
@@Zanzibawrrit’s really not though. Talking heads + bad writing with stiff NPC animations make it’s a snore fest. Framing cuts would actually improve retention for the dialogue, than just skipping through 99% of what they say.
@@ewjiml You just shoehorned another point entirely though, talking heads are not the issue bad writing is. By your own comment if you fixed the writing (fire that PoS Emil) the talking heads wouldn't be such an issue and honestly there are some rare instances where they do some form of cinematic stuff in the past. It is always janky looking at best which is probably again an issue with BGS being an indie company wearing a AAA dev jumper.
Bethesda, ES:VI should have enough “tiny details” for EpicNate to make another hundred videos. That stuff is what makes us want to live in your worlds.
I still do a complete Skyrim playthrough on an annual basis. But after Starfield and Shattered Space, my hopes for Elder Scrolls 6 are completely - if you'll pardon the expression - shattered. Bethesda hasn't made a truly exceptional game since Skyrim, and hasn't made a "good" game since Fallout 4. After listening to 13:37, I honestly don't think you're being objective and honest with yourself on a personal level. Wake up and smell the coffee Matty.
Bethesda is the ageing rock star who keeps reheating the same old tunes, supported by ageing fans who lap it all up because it reminds them of 'the good ol' days', and simply doesn't understand why other people think they're out of touch.
Yea they have 400-500 people on the team, maybe thats the problem. Skyrim had what, 100? Little less? What has changed since skyrim that they need 300-400 more people? Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen, Everything has been a step down since then
I think the issue there is that they don't know how to manage a larger team. Out of those 4-500 people, they broke them up to work on different projects, and still have issues with managing what's left. There was around 250 on Shattered Space. It doesn't show.
If they don't go back to the TES III roots it's over me!
I keep trying to get into starfield. I just can't... 😢
@@bounarts4885 you’re not the only one trust me.
Uninstalled it and never bother again
I put Starfield down after a week or two of playing it after release. I waited damn near 8 months before picking it back up.
I thought at this point if it’s not fun, given the amount of time mods had to round off some of the edges, there’s just no hope of Salvaging the game.
I noticed immediately the mods were very lack luster. To me that was a red flag right out the gate. I still managed to put 15 QoL mods in the game. Played the game the about 20 hours over the course of a week. I just couldn’t get into it. I traveled to about a dozen planets/moons back to back. I think all but one of them were completely empty of any sort of combat POIs. The exploration is just as atrocious as when I first played it. I can’t believe they felt the amount of loading screens was acceptable. It really doesn’t feel like you’re traveling or exploring.
The base building is somehow a downgrade from FO4. The only thing they did well in my opinion was spaceship design, however, you can’t fly around with it basically 95% of the time. So all of that good, is wasted.
It’s clear modders can’t salvage the game, and the fact that there aren’t any memes or fandom really surrounding the game speaks volumes.
i just feel like the investors money is more valued than the customers money. starfield was bethesdas most "family friendly" game ever, in a long line of sacrificing immersion and entertainment for safe and bland. bethesda made their name off taking risks and now they seem at the extreme endpoint where i dont think they are willing to take any risk however small for the sake of the customer. the TES6 trailer especially felt like they used us to get a better deal with microsoft. they just dont care about the peasants anymore.
I just hope they go back to unique one off loot at the end of dungeons. It would be nice to see spell creation back from oblivion as well.
One of the biggest problems with the creation engine is it doesn't seem to allow for grand cities filled with people the way Witcher 3 does or RDR2 does. When you play Witcher 3 and go into a city it feels life size, it feels like you are in a real living, breathing city that is teaming with characters and life. When you go into a Bethesda town it feels like a small stage play with ten people in it
I'm excited for ES6, but will remain skeptical. I felt the same about Starfield and I'm glad I didn't preorder. Watching TH-camrs play the game and seeing all the bugs etc was enough to convince me not to buy it.
Boycott Bethesda.
Idk dude, I'm on PS5 and if they release starfield to PlayStation id get it. I played a bit of it and enjoyed what I played
@@richardsgrowingpains6459 _If_ indeed does come to PS5, of course most of us would buy it,
If anything, it would be to test it and properly dislike and criticize it as it is meant to be.
Currently, we PS users are only 'working' with others' experiences.
Honestly after Starfield, and the updates/persistent bugs & glitches we still have in Fallout 76 - I have very little faith in them producing a good game again. I am no longer hyped for Elder Scrolls 6 nor Fallout 5. They will have to massively surprise me for my feelings about the company to change at this point, and this is coming from someone whos beaten and loves Oblivion, FO3, FO4, Skyrim, and most of the main and side missions in FO76.
completely lost all trust in the company. I remember Skyrim release night and my first hour with the game "this feels like an Oblivion re-skin". Every game since Oblivion feels the exact same. They need to change a lot.
You know why people like exploring? Because there are things TO FIND. BGS completely missed this fact.
whats happening with oblivion and fallout 3 remaster from bethesda? was it a lie?
Todd doesnt do remasters, and no Skyrim SE isnt a remaster.
@@Spacefrisian so the rumor was fake?
It's sad, but I have almost no confidence Bethesda will turn things around. Hope I'm wrong
I firmly believe they've been told to strap in and make sure tes 6 is perfect. Could you imagine being MS right now and spending all that money on zenimax and all you have to show for it is redfall and Starfield? No way they haven't had some uncomfortable conversations.
Tes6 will be garbage just like all other Bethesda games.
That's what I was thinking. I shouldn't believe it but I just cannot fathom them fucking tesvi up.
@@JamesHolden-kl5sg yea no way MS is ok with their two titles
If they had just come out and admitted that Starfield lacks in a variety of ways, most of those stemming back to a departure from what made people like their games in the first place.... That may have helped quite a bit with all of the pessimism. But as it stands, them peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining is probably the biggest problem for me.
One of the main issues I've had with Beteshda in the past... 10 years?! Is, they put out a game with potential, modders come in and turn those games into amazing stuff. And Beteshda seems to learn nothing from all that data and all those mods.
After so many years, my only conclusion is, Beteshda thinks whatever they put out there will just be ok and enough, no sense of urgency to improve over the stuff they could just by learning from all the data they already have from playtime and mods.
I think all of these AAA studios have been affected by bureaucratic bloat and corporate shenanigans.
Too many managers.
Too much appeasing.
Too much HR.
Too many unqualified employees that got their positions to fill quotas and check boxes
Too many writers that don't know how to write
Too much design by committee
Too much chasing 5 year old trends
Too long of a development time
Too much outside input on pricing models
Too much of an insistence on making a game for "everyone" in order to sell more copies
And a complete disregard for what gamers actually want
I fear greatly for the game, TBH I think Bethesda is too hungry when it comes to size, and I imagine they probably will do all of Tamriel. I remember in the lex fridman interview when todd was asked where ES6 will take place me smirked and said "Tamriel", he said it to be interpreted as somewhere in Tamriel, but I think he meant it literally. I have no idea if ES6 will be good or bad, but what I do know is if ES6 mid or lower, I'm done with bethesda lol
Probably not all of Tamriel but something like two provinces: Hammerfell and High Rock. I rather have them full ass Hammerfell instead of spreading themselves too thin.
@@Chtigga I like the idea of Hammerfell and Highrock, if you add the two together they are around twice the size of skyrim, with bethesda's team size increase after skyrim they could probably pull it off. My worry that its all of tamriel stems from bethesda mindset right now, instead of 1 or 2 solar systems in starfield they chose dozens, as much as I'd prefer them to scale back I think they are just too big in there own head and would rather go as big as humanly possible, even if that means sacrificing quality. I guess we will see though.
@@michaelmana I would still prefer them to focus 100% of their attention on just Hammerfell, to flesh out the lore, the cities, the landscape, the different cultures, etc... But with the current state of Bethesda, I'm genuinely worried.
@@Chtigga ya thats fair. Regardless bethesda has a big problem on their hands. If the fans are dreading your next release instead of excitement, it really goes to show how far in the wrong direction bethesda has gone, fingers crossed I guess 😭
if you want to know how TES6 will look like , then just go and play Starfield , but with the swords and bows and magick spells ,instead of guns
As long as they keep using the same outdated creation engine I'm not hyped for anything they release in the future
Honestly, I'm excited that indie developers are gonna be even more on the rise, since the triple A space is completely broken. But also worried about what is gonna happen to the triple A space 💀
If they were smart, BGS would release a few provinces at a time, maybe 3 at launch then fill in rest of Tamriel over the next 3-5 years after release.
You want a live service?
They already have ESO......
So... just Eso? Think their parent company beat them to that. I sure love live services lol
Here's the future of BGS:
-They will learn nothing from Starfield because Emil doesn't want to hear it and will approach ES6 however he wants.
-ES6 will be horrible slop but will still sell a ton because people have been waiting for it for over a decade. The studio will still make money, Microsoft will be happy with Gamepass numbers, etc.
-Still having learned nothing, they will move on to Fallout 5 which will tie into the new "lore" being built by the Fallout TV show. It will be even worse than FO4 and will still sell well.
-At this point Todd and Emil will retire on their own terms and gets lots of accolades from the industry.
-Studio leadership will be given to their hand-picked successors, meaning the odds of anything significantly changing are low.
-At this point we will all be dead or have too much arthritis to be able to play whatever comes next in our nursing homes.
All I wanted was skyrim in space, I got just that, I`m happy
I can’t get excited for anything BGS does anymore because since fallout 4 it’s just been nothing but disappointing releases and no signs that the Bethesda that we loved is capable of making anything good anymore
Well...a lot of people are loving Starfield and Shattered Space. So no, I'm not worried.
Define "a lot" 😂😂😂😂
You mean a few. Not a lot.
Yeah dozens are enjoying the lifeless slop bethesda ia feeding them
Who? It’s got abysmal ratings. I’ll never understand this cope.
@@GangstarComputerGod It's usually old people who do not understand we can see player numbers. Seen one post on Steam for Starfield months ago with some guy basically saying that we have no idea how many people are playing on PC in that moment and there could be millions. People obviously pointed to the player count number and SteamDB and he went full boomer denial. There are genuinely some dusty old c*nts who seem to think Starfield is wildly popular and yes I include Todd and Emil in that number.
Starfield is the most disappointing game release I've ever had, and I started playing games with pacman tabletop at Pizza Hut. I love Skyrim and FO4 and continue to play them. Starfield is just boring to me and it just doesn't feel like either of those games. I do not understand why they have not been all hands to ES6, and it's betrayal the way that has just fallen by the wayside.
Skyrim is played endlessly because its fun is endless... issue is they seem to have forgotten since far harbour what actually is fun
It depends on how far along ES6 is it's development. If it's decently far in, it'll probably be impossible to fundamentally change the core of the game. If it's still relatively early they may need to scrap certain ideas, but they could still make a turn around.
Cant really call something a bumo in the road when they haven't done anything impressive in over a decade.
Why are you saying this in every Video? "I normaly dont want to make so Videos about only bad stuff". Look at your channel Matty, 95% of your Videos are about bad things in the gaming Industrie...... And thats fully ok, but dont say "you dont want to make them".
Sometimes I wonder if Bethesda are a little arrogant, and get held back by this. It can feel like they don’t want to learn from other games/studios and would prefer to just keep making small additions to their established formula without admitting that it is out of date in a lot of ways. A great example is CDPR with the Witcher 3 vs Cyberpunk, where they didn’t just do the same thing again but with a futuristic coat of paint and now, imo, the Witcher feels noticeably old fashioned in its design and presentation compared to Cyberpunk.
Until Emil Pagliarulo leaves this company, I am not interested in absolutely whatever they make. He is the definition of what is wrong with modern day developers and I can´t support that.
I do worry, as you said, that they’ll overuse procedural generation for ES6
I look at everything they make and it's just not good enough. The writing is absolutely atrocious, lacking any depth and meaningful story. You have no true choice/consequence in whatever you do. The npc's looks & animations are absolutely horrendous. Basic game functions are locked away as skills to unlock. But hey, at least I can pick up every object, right?
As someone who found and fell in love with Bethesda through watching his uncle play Oblivion on release day in his parents basement when I was 9. I am rooting for them to make a great game again.
I’m hoping they can make it where all the factions don’t tie into each other like in Fallout 4 which made the game seem shorter. (I know they didn’t tie the factions in Starfield)
I’m also hoping they go back to when every location was unique with a unique story and you didn’t come across the same randomly generated duplicated outpost with the same note to discover.
They need a more Red Dead 2 mixed with Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, excellent story writing, not just falling asleep to dialogue.
I have hope, I just don’t know what to expect after the last decade of “not as good as the previous”
But Elder Scrolls is my baby and I hope I can enjoy it
The Bethesda that made Skyrim and Fallout 4 doesn't exist anymore. So expecting the same quality from them is just wrong. Starfield is what they do now, and that is what we are gonna get in ES6.
Honestly, if they get away from this Creation Club marketplace and return to the philosophy they had from Oblivion to Skyrim then Elder Scrolls VI will be good. Due to the bulls*it excuse they make to justify paid mods, claiming it is to reward certain mod authors. We were happy with our genuine passion and love of modding.
I disagree with Matty that BGS should refrain from the Skyrim model of "living" in their games. I bought Skyrim after waiting in line on the evening of 11/10/2011. Guess what game is at this very second playing on my PC as I type this comment? Exactly, a fun, interactive open world game that you can mod the sh*to out of wins out ever time. I recreated tv series, book series, movies with my Skyrim games. Lets double-check if people hate Sims....oh actually they don't! I feel that non-modders and very casual modders will never quite feel the same as decades long modders feel about Oblivion, Skyrim and the Fallout main series games. No dig at them, it is just a matter of the amount of time and passion.
I feel that most who blindly went into Starfield and those who wore rose colored sunglasses are the ones who are freaking out over Elder Scrolls VI. I never believed in that hype over Starfield, therefore my only concern for Elder Scrolls VI is based upon the narrative, time frame length from Skyrim to Elder Scrolls VI, the writing, the soundtrack (Jeremy!!!!!), and if we can circumvent around those damn Creation Paid Mods scam.
Then I'll be hanging out and contorting with Daedric Princes like my name is Merid-Nunda. Bring on the Scrolls!!!!!!! Sh*t I am more hyped now!!!!!!
TES 6 is COOKED if it’s anything like starfield.