Simple value mistakes students make
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These tutorials always show up in my recommendations out of nowhere, and they somehow always turn out to be just that one thing that my art lacked completely. It's a miracle.
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“Every object has their own value to start with”.
Fr, needed someone to tell me this.
I've never really heard anyone address this problem in such a simple way before. Great video!
Lillendandie Art thanks happy to hear it.
If you want a very indepth and specific solution to this problem I recommend looking for Bill perkins course videos online, eh explains how to key your hue, saturation and value so they dont get all mixed up.
omg dude this is exactly where i was stuck in my paintings. Thank you for what you do. Helping people on their path. You just reseased me from my suffering haha
Johny Kato happy to hear it dude !
Thank you for spending your time to create this video! Very professional, I sort of knew about this but it's very hard to nail it down while having to control all the other variables, hue, light edges, shapes, it can get a little overwhelming if you're trying to master it all. Thanks once again!
Understanding this is soo important IMO, yet I rarely ever hear anyone talk about it. Thanks!
Ok, this is a game changing thing, i have been wondering for many months and trying to understand how it works "local value" is the answer. Great video with really great explanation!
I'm one of your silent long time followers Tyler, you really help give back to the art community with these helpful videos man thanks
McDread thanks for the comment happy to hear it
I totally didn't notice what was wrong until you said it in the video, and then it was super obvious.
Exactly! Looking at them again, I can't believe I missed it.
I started painting just over 1 year ago at age 63. (No art training what so ever). I am struggling with the concept of value. I did not comprehend this video but I watched it to the end. I think an art student would understand better than myself. I am guessing that the problem with the three beautiful sketches is that they did not have enough contrast in the shading of the drawing in order to help depict the different materials in the drawing?
hello there! :) I'm not sure if you still need help, but I'll try to explain from what I understood :) he explained that the flat pictures had the same value, the same color for every material that should have different colors and textures. for example, the picture with the apple and jar and the cup, the midtone for the apple should be different than the jar's, so the shadow and light would also be different with the jar. with the houses, the doors should have a different value than the walls, the roof should have a different value than the walls and door! every material should have a different value, and, consequently, the shade and light values should also be different! take this with a pinch of salt, since it's what I understood but I may be wrong! ☺️
That's a fantastic was to explain it, reckon this should be one of the FIRST things we are taught when doing still life drawing (it tends to be one of the first things we learn in art at school over here in the UK)
Value is much more about getting the lighting right than about specific colors. Obviously, colors matter a lot. But with the incorrect notion of how lighting, atmosphere, “mood” and texture work, it can turn out a mess. Anyway, great video. Subject that goes unnoticed most of the times by many artists.
I didnt realize until the first example house with good values, but I'd like to think I do this really well! Things like this help me be proud of my art!! Thank you very much for this video!!!
you changed my values, idk if that joke was made but this REALLY helped ty so much!
thanks for this! this is something i try to keep in mind but it's hard to do in practice
Still relevant! Glad I found this. Thank you, Tyler Edlin, for this informative and easy to digest video!
Thanks for this man, super useful and a nice reminder.
Funny how such a simple thing can pass so many people (myself included). 2 years of drawing class and this was never brought up.
Tip for artists here: It is simply once you get it. The main thing you should always keep in mind is High contrast moves forward in space and low contrast moves backward. There is of course more than just that like Dark objects move forward and Light objects move backward. It is important to increase the value range of each object as well. Try and stay away from flat value ranges. Once you can Maximize your value structure, you can prune it back to you style of painting.
you worded this really strangely, what I think you meant to say was things become more de-saturated as they move back in space, which is only particularly important when it comes to landscape scenes or when you want to separate your foreground, middle ground and background. the reason they become more or less saturated is simply because of the atmosphere, this can vary depending on the weather ie fog, smoke, clear day.
not really relevant to this video because we where only talking about value and not Hue and Saturation... you might have been confusing this contrast with he fact that things that are not in the focal point are not meant to have much contrast in paintings because you don't want the focus to be your background... or maybe you do? thats all down to how you plan your painting.
Corey Wood He’s also saying that the value contrast of an object’s illuminated side and its form shadow decreases as it moves further away
The value struggle is too real :D , great tutorial !
Interesting video.
Also your intro sequence is really awesome! I rewinded it like 9 times, just to see it again and again ^^
This is absolutely awesome. Forwarding this to my newcomers.
Okay yeah this was really cool, I've been making the same mistake and didn't realise it till you pointed it out thanks a bunch
men you just blowed my mind, i've just realised that i never understood actually what is values. thanks for the tips and the amazing video, you really helped me :))
Very helpful tips! Thanks a bunch for the video!
this is the best tutorial that i've seen so far in this topic. Thanks
really helpful. Your explanation is easy to understand. Now, I understand value much better. Excited to try it out and observe it on my works. THanks a lot
Thank you for this :) I'm a student too and this will definitely help my greyscale projects pop
Ahh this tip felt like you reached into my brain and turned on a light switch that was stuck. Thank you so much!! Greatly appreciate this!
Holy molly dude! You're awesome! Thank you so much omg
Now I have to go back to my work in progress drawing and check the values. I'm sure the values are pretty similar. I needed this video. No wonder my colors look dull and flat. Value!!
it's likestarting my newclasses beforehand- I'm so happy , i hope the career is as well explained
Oh the water stage on dk. such a nostalgic music !
Great explanation, a must see video, thanks!
Thank you! This will help me tremendously in my art! 😍
9/14/29 USA Grandpa Bill: This is the best voice sound system I've heard on TH-cam. In my headphones, your voice is clear and strong. This is good. I appreciate the value comparisons. I can use my copier to make a copy of the colors in test, to see how they line up in value. This has proved helpful. Also, studying the old black and white movies: years ago (I'm 71 now) I could tell what colors there were from the shades of gray. It came with experience. I seem to have forgotten a lot, and now I can see that some colors could be misinterpreted as the result of value. Also, pencil sketches are worth the effort in determining value since the foregrounds must be darker and then within the drawing different elements have to be strengthened in tone to stand out. Thank you for this video and your effort.
Thank you. Very helpful Mr. Edlin
this is super helpful,thank you so much!
Nice, i'll try to keep this in mind for the future
New info “Every object has their own value to start with”. Let's see what improvements I can make with this.
Big thx for the video
Extremely helpful, thank you!
Thank you! This is a Great help
A picture is worth 1000 words. Would be helpful to see the still life with the changes made. I didn’t get much out of this except the idea.
Great video but found the music distracting :)
Wow! Thànk you so much for such fun and informative video!! I can't believe such knowledge is here on TH-cam 🔥🔥🔥
This really explains what I don’t understand about value. Thank you.
i guess the lower painting is to be colored afterwards which is then done with lighter and darker colors which bring the different values .. its basically like the lighting and ambient occlusion pass from a 3d render
very helpful! thank you!!
I can't explain how good you teach and how amazing your advice are, it's just priceless. Dude cmon you are helping so much people, you pedagogy is nice, explaining by comparaison and using simple but precise words
YORU TSUUYU thank you very much I appreciate your kind words
also your voice is really relaxing and cute haha love it
Very helpful, thanks for the video
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Very good lesson, thanks!
Sorry I lost you when I heard Donkey Kong. :-P
happens to me all the time
Tyler Edlin As much as I like the music it was very annoying when trying to listen to you voice. I'd prefer it without music.
yeah i agree i could have handled it better
Everything about this lesson is well overdue
Luminosity Layer is very helpful in this matter! So you paint everything with a flat default value, then in a new layer you can paint with luminosity and on top of that add shadows and highlights :). Great video!
great tip!
I'm confused about what exactly you're suggesting because the comment wasn't specific enough. I'm aware of Luminosity maps made by placing a new layer at the top of an image that's filled with black or 50% Grey, and then changing the blending mode to color in order to effectively judge the values. Is that the same process you were describing?
Great lesson! TH-cam, give this man more subs!!!
Tyler you are fantastic thank you for your art and for you mentorship and I will like to be one of your students
Thank you so much!!
Donkey Kong Country 2 - Stickerbush Symphony
Oh snap this was very helpful thank you
Ur video was extremely extremely helpful cant thank u enough but ill say it anyway.ty
got super nostalgic when i heard the dk music!! love it! im amazed i recognized it haha
Super. Thank you!
LOL DK on the background HAHA! Freaking Bramble Blast! Good taste and great art! ^^
very helpful, thank you
this is so helpful
This is a really old video,but the use of ICO music im the intro is amazing
Thank you!
Helpful tips.
I wonder about what blending mode I should use on the grayscale layer, and on color layer. And where should I put them, is it the color layer above the grayscale layer or vice versa?
Thank you for the video.
I believe you're just assuming they're trying to achieve a finished black and white image however the reason why a lot of artists prefer to paint black and white images without base colour value is because they prefer to paint in photoshop using gradient maps. This helps the artist to more accurately render the occlusion before moving on to light, cast shadows and colour.
Very good!
i see your point, good stuff
Really helpful
something that would have helped is lassoing the still life and messing with the brightness and contrast for each of the items to show what it would look like with them having drastically different starting value
Should you have one layer for materiel value and another layer for overall shadow and light?
Thank you so much
how about "grouping your values" and "keeping values minimal 3-5 tonal values". I personally think that the mistake especially in the center bottom image is that the foreground house's value is as the same as the house behind it (midground).
I'm having a hard time understanding these Art Fundamentals but yeah.. what else can I do except practice? I just hope I have someone who can teach me personally. Anyways, 'Every object has their own value to start with.' I'll keep that in mind. Thanks
LOVE this DK2 track.
*Stickerbush Symphony*
Good taste Tyler.
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very helpful thanks:)
Thanks for sharing
Hey!
Stickerbush Symphony from Donkey Kong Country 2 at 5:19 I think it has nothing to do with this vid, however it was a good move to remember that old amazing game! XD Thanks for that!
Thanks for doing this i am gonna particiüate in an art contest and i started planning things out and started thumbnailing...
Awesome tip, I def have done this plenty of times before. DKC2 Stickerbrush music I never get over that track ;D (Bramble Blast is the level ) ;)
At the very beginning, is that 'Continue' off the game soundtrack of Ico by any chance?
Nice video dude! Ill subscribe
My problem is that within an object/subject, I'll give each material its own value range, but then I have trouble making it stand out from the background elements, because the subject itself has so much contrast and so many different values that it merges into the background values. Generally, I try to keep subject, background, foreground, etc. in their own general value ranges but sometimes it's hard to have them not share similar values. How could I avoid this?
I haven't had the opportunity yet to go through all your videos, so I apologize if I'm asking a question you have answered. Can you suggest where I can get legit brushes for Photoshop?
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Yea but you have to learn to work with one local value before working with multiple. If they're only using one then that's probably where they are in the learning process.
I loved the DK music!
Thanks brether
would be nice to see the still life fixed, because really hard to imagine the difference you can bring, but anyway big thanks
Thank you :)
Thanks
I never knew people made that mistake, but I'll keep an eye out just to be sure.
Woahhh thank you so much for the video, now i know why my drawings look kinda flat!
Every one and their mom lately been using the thorn stage bgm in dkc2
I did it 3 years ago
@@TylerEdlin84 and they still at it . I guess you started something.
Perfect video for me.
Yup if I never watched this I would still be making that mistake. Thank you so much