Gross. When I was a kid I told my narcissist mother I thought he was a terrible person and got 5 minutes of yelling from her. I hated him even more. I'm 68.
My mom (Elizabeth Hinze, 1931-2014) was a narcissist bitch-hole as well and she demanded that I watch the 1977 Anglo-Italian miniseries JESUS OF NAZARETH when it played on NBC. I was nine back then and I really didn't understand much of it.
@@davidlafleche1142 Unfortunately the people that claim to be christian are anything but and outnumber real christian 100 to 1. All you have to do is watch those evangelical hate preachers and you'll realise that real christian people are in the minority and christianity has been high-jacked by bigots.
I was a wee one durong nixons days, and my retired Mstsg dad was no fan either. So, the only thing i know of Nixon is he listed himself as a Quaker and conscientious objectiver. Was he an antisemite? Also what was used to keep that nose up? Shit looks like it needs internal scaffolding like the statue of liberty.
@@warrentape6371 - why shouldn't people talk about the guy who started watergate and thinks cottage cheese on a slice of pineapple with a glass of milk is a meal
Oh, hello sir, would you like to hold this angry cobra or this kess angry black mamba? Same decision..hell at least the snakes are h9nezt in the fact that they wanna kill you.
The difference between the two Priests: Father Damian tended to the sick and infirm, people infected with leprosy, who were isolated from the rest of the islands; he did not protelize on television with fear tactics. Graham preached hate, fire and brimstone. As a former resident of Hawai'i I suggest a statue of Duke Kahanomoku - the man who brought surfing to the masses and US Olympian.
Unfortunately Graham's racism was held by many Christians as well as his antisemitism. I was a teenager then and I remember my father saying "if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile." But he claimed he wasn't racist. I was like 14 or 15 and I knew it was unfair. But my father's attitude was what many white men thought about the civil rights movement. At the time it was confounding to me that America could make the claims about being a free society and yet not let a man sit down and eat his lunch in peace.
When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression. You also have to remember that that generation did not get opposing views like you did. You are right, and he is wrong, but there are reasons he was that way, and did not realize it.
@@davidlafleche1142 That's right. Christians recognise that humanity is all one because of the meaning of Christ. If you're a racist you deny the meaning in Christ.
Definitely easier to pick the good ones out of the hot garbage. Kansas just unveiled a statue of Amelia Earhart and their other statue is of Eisenhower. More states should be like Kansas. Utah’s second statue is Philo Farnsworth who helped invent the television. Hawaii has a statue of Kamehameha I and they should replace their statue of Father Damian with Lili’oukalani in my opinion. Louisiana has Huey Long. Alabama has Helen Keller. Etc etc
Why am I not surprised ? I thought my home of California might do better. Nope. Ronald Fucking Reagan Padre Junipero Serra. Should be Audrey Hepburn and Dr Albert Hoffman. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statues_of_the_National_Statuary_Hall_Collection
@@calvinsmith6681 While Kamehameha was an aristocrat who used religion and war to further his ambitions, reasonable people would likely not dispute that he had some accomplishments that benefited the people of Hawai'i. Not sure we can say that about Billy Graham, as most of the 'noble virtues' attributed to him were born from propaganda.
@ScottDaniels1977 yep... im sorry, man🫂💔♥️ I was lucky to have a super mixed ancestry & an (still at 75yo!) avowed LW civil rights activist & advocate dad (who's - though not an atheist like me? Is at least open to question his *possible* faith & def isn't cool with the cruel hierarchies & hate found amongst the 3 Abrahamics). I'm unlucky cos his favorable views towards an eventually unified & egalitarian humanity • as a secular Humanist • makes him as popular as it does me. Its hard to care about people despite rampant hateful propaganda coercing & misinforming so many people who likely wouldve been kinder otherwise.
@@calvinsmith6681 Kamehameha was kinda problematic though? Whatever - Im canadian & though im audidactic? I still have much to learn. So i dunno. What I do feel is colonialist stolen nations ought to try to veer away from celebrating wytsupremacists if they wanna keep up the often ludicrous, "We're N⁰1! Also freedommmm!!" narrative.
As a child, I was forced to watch a weeks long revival of Billy Graham. It was the most boring thing on earth. Sheer torture. I never believed that bullshit anyway. I'm an atheist now, and i don't miss this crap.
I met Billy when I was a worship leader at some young men's conference. He wouldn't even shake my hand or acknowledge me. I was the rare black evangelical. Him being racist kinda makes sense. Then again, even in my own church, racism wasn't even veiled.
Hey that’s important history: thanks for sharing it, I’m glad you did on this channel. It’s only in past 5years I’ve been able to beginning reassessing everything where previously I had multiple thought-stopping techniques
I just finished reading Tim Alberta's book "The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory". As a Canadian who didn't really pay much attention to American politics until Trump, I have to say it was amazing to learn about politics and evangelicalism. I really had no idea of how intertwined religion and politics were and are in right wing politics. But it helped me understand the ridiculous phenomenon that is Trumpism and how such a godless and immoral and corrupt human being attained such power.
Evangelicals did a good job of hiding their ugly world view for decades and we the people ignored them thinking no one would ever hand them enough power to hurt anyone. Starting with President Reagan the entanglement got worse and worse. Now they don't hide anything, they say it out loud, and we ignore it at out own peril. Glad I am old but feel sorry for the younger generation who sees what we choose to ignore but have no power to change it with out our help.
When I was growing up and I would hear Billy Graham on television I would find him to be very scary . Anyone else ? The fact that he was anti semitic and anti gay and a big supporter of Richard Nixon was also a big turn off to me.
Yup, led me to questioning the "Christian Faith" as a whole but years of trying to finding a more truthful faith true to Christ... then on to other faiths... I found they all had issues conflicting with their written doctrines... Then child sexual abuse😢😢😢😢😢😢
When I was growing up in the 80’s, Billy Graham came across as just a very kind, avuncular sort of preacher. But Billy Graham in the 50’s? Hoo boy…. Back in the mid 2000’s, I found myself in Indiana for a few weeks for work, stuck in a rental apartment with only local TV. Three of the local stations would just play religious stuff late at night. I was amazed to come across these old black and white Billy Graham sermons… man was breathing straight fire and brimstone back in those days. What an amazingly unlikeable character he was. Gotta give him at least some credit for softening up as he aged, I guess.
Oh he was too simple to be scary - are talking about the same man. And look, most of USA voters were Nixon people. He received the highest popular vote in modern times until Reagan. He was your grandmother.
Their attempt to write history. Like how they blew up the Georgia Guidstones. Take away their finical advantage and see how long they stay in this grift
Yes I agree Billy Graham is an embarrassment to North Carolina and it is a sad commentary that this seems to be the best they can come up with for statutory hall in the US Capital.
Friendly Atheist, Hemant, on those tapes, also, he and nixon spoke of hippies and blacks being problems and how tougher drug laws, sentences would help. They targeted them because of 'war protests'! But their language was bad, real bad. Graham bragged of his 'kingmaking' abilities, politically. 👍🏿💙💙💙🥰✌🏻
Billy Graham preached a separate reality from the one that surrounded him. His source was the written thoughts of ancient Hebrews who worshiped a monster god named Yahweh. Graham's net worth was 25 million dollars when he died in 2018. Not bad for a rich man that Jesus said could not enter his kingdom.
Isnt that considered ideology which is against gods words? And as a non profit non taxed couldnt they used the money to build a few homeless shelters for families or people with animals..
Christians don't give a crap about "god's word." What they DO care about is how they can use "god's word" as post-hoc justification for every horror they wish to commit, and everything they ever want to do.
This is the same guy who had a area the size of 2 football fields (may have been 1 i can't remember honestly) full of expensive suits.. But didn't want to help the poor.. Yeah Jesus would've been for that..
I grew up as an agnostic Unitarian; my best friend in highschool was a Southern Baptist - weird, I know LOL. We went to see Billy Graham at Angel Stadium together in 1969. Unsurprisingly, I was not impressed; surprisingly, neither was my Christian friend!
My husband is a descent of Zebulon Baird Vance. He is very torn on the connection as he was very much pro-slavery and racist against black people, but he was also adamantly against anti-Semitism. In the end, he prefers to laud his mother's side of the family who have been firmly progressive and pro-civil rights for generations.
Thanks for the update. It is so easy for things like this to get buried. Before I knew any negative facts about Graham, I always felt he was sleazy. That was up until I was about 14.
From NC, grew up evangelical, and every time Billy Graham comes up I just think about the time I went to the whole museum and stuff as a teen before we went to go do Operation Christmas Child … and how the whole time I was like “but isn’t idolatry bad?” and it started me off on my journey of skepticism. So thanks for that, I guess! Anyway, he’s trash.
Oh come on! Father Damian dedicated his life to caring for the most outcast members of society LEPERS! He was one of the few religious persons who truly lived the message of the gospel. Graham, not so much.
At least father Damien tried to help people. He worked with the leper community in Hawaii and ended up contacting the disease himself. He treated the people there with more respect than they had been before. He ate with them, wasn't afraid to be near them and treated them as human beings. He's become the unofficial saint of people who have HIV. I'm not sure Billy Graham helped anyone.
@@melissacooper8724 There's usually a place for those kinds of theological shenanigans like during times of the day when these stations usually present local programming or on cable/satellite TV. But please, you guys. Leave the network shows alone and DON'T pre-empt them with programming that doesn't really belong there in the first case.
Yet mega popular in his day. In Brisbane Australia over 300,000 turned out to see him at a racetrack - 1:5 of the cities population. In Melbourne he filled 120,000 sports stadium. But his sermons were bland - nothing much to them. Nothing to offend. Preached to more people in history - beating the modern popes
I remember back in February 2018 when Graham passed away, the central public library in Beaumont, Texas (where I still work at) put up a display of books from Billy Graham in his honor, decorated with several quotes and photos from him. The following month in March when famed physicist Stephen Hawking passed away, for whatever reason my library's staff did NOT do a display of his books. I live in a somewhat conservative/bible belt city, and my work supervisor at the time was a proud evangelical, so I was not surprised that my staff opted to honor a terrible, homophobic preacher instead of one of the most brilliant scientific minds ever. It did make me pretty sad and disappointed, and I kinda wish I could go back in time 6 years ago to convince my library's staff to do an equal display for Hawking as well. But yeah....this is Texas, it's run by book-banning, Bible-loving, migrant-hating extremists and getting worse.
Public libraries are municipal GOVERNMENT entities. So as such, they must honor and observe the separation of church and state. A display of Professor Hawking's books on the occasion of his passage would have made way more sense.
I am just now learning about this National Statuary Hall thing... and I'm a nearly 60 year old native born North Carolinian. That tells you a lot about how prominent this National Statuary Hall is in the state (and probably national) consciousness. And as we approach the 2024 election that will determine whether we remain a democracy or not, the fact that we have a bigot representing our state in this venue few people know exist strikes me as pretty low down the priority list. I mean, I'm pretty sure lots of states' statues in the NSH represent people who were pretty awful by modern standards. I'm just relieved no taxpayer money was wasted on this travesty.
The last time I had a connection at the Charlotte airport, there was an advert to see Graham's home as their most-visited tourist attraction. As an atheist, I thought about how sad this was. He was definitely an anti-Semite and a racist. Read his unauthorized biography , "The Prince of War," by Cecil Bothwell. He held undue influence with Nixon and other Republican administrations, where he inveigled himself into a unelected advisory positions, and he helped to extend the Vietnam War - which needlessly killed thousands of U.S. soldiers. He does not belong in Statuary Hall. Period!
I went to the BillyGrahamLand show in Charlotte. Wanted to piss on his grave, which is the first part of the show. That is followed by going into a small barn to show his humble beginnings...which leads into a HUGE pavillion showing his rise to fame and glory. leading to a chapel area where a recording is supposed to make you want to make you "want to be saved! (tm)" ...but not from the gift and book shop plus restaurant outside. The whole thing was designed the same as any Universal or Disney ride. These con men (Graham left behind $25 million) call themselves evangelicals because they are NOTHING not christian ("jesus" left behind his clothes). They are as authentic as the "wine" they get their beLIEvers to drink.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Sounds like a visit to Mangyongdae, the birthplace of North Korean communist dictator Kim Il-sung. They do pretty much the same thing with Mr. Kim that they're doing with Mr. Graham.
Don’t diss father Damien from Hawaii....he dedicated his life to serving people with Leprosy. He was pretty much abandoned on the island by his church. I saw a movie about him and it was extremely heartwarming.
Billy Graham . I barely paid attention to him when I was younger . He was just a preacher who wasn’t part of my faith . Some things he said I agreed with, some things he said I thought were weird
I paid attention to him so little I never had the displeasure of finding myself in agreement with him on anything. I mean ... Honestly, the guy was such a reprobate. A few quotes in the media to decide to NEVER lend him an ear .
A non-profit group is, some say spending, i say wasting, over half a million on a statue. As a "non-profit" they paid no taxes on that $650,000 so, in essence, the taxpayers are paying some of that cost.
Jesus Christ was born, lived and died a Jew. And, these people read the Bible. As an adult I'm an atheist however, I do remember my catechism from my youth.
Opposing them empowers their rhetoric. Accepting their statue choices creates something to dust that people will ask, "Who is that?" And when they insist on displaying The Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn, I say compel them to display all 613 of the commandments. We should hold these people to stand and account for every word they promote in their projection of public piety.
@@caronstout354 Well, from what we see here in GB, some politicians seem to break just about every one of the original ten. They don't have much chance of keeping the rest......
At 6:48 he says (about Billy Graham) "He obviously thought that everyone who disagreed with his theology was going to burn in Hell for eternity" ------> But that's not actually true! Now, I'm no fan of Billy Graham. And I do not follow ANY of the world's standard religious doctrines. But Billy Graham (as far back as the 1990s, anyway, was clear that he did NOT believe people of other faiths, or even those with no religious faith, will be damned by God. He made that clear back in in 1997, during an interview with the TV evangelist Robert Schuller, Graham no less. And it earned him a LOT of flack from many evangelical Christians. Here's what Graham said. "I think that everybody that loves or knows Christ, whether they are conscious of it or not, they are members of the body of Christ ... [God] is calling people out of the world for his name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they have been called by God. They may not know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something they do not have, and they turn to the only light they have, and I think that they are saved and they are going to be with us in heaven." So I guess this actually includes people like myself. Which is rather nice! However, I wonder if Mike Johnson (committed Christian Nationalist as he is) is aware of Graham's stance on this interpretation of who is 'saved'.
As what many would call a Christian, it should bother Christians when a secular government honors a "christian". The secular government isn't getting things right, it just means that billy Graham was of this world because the world loves and honors its own.
I just remember reading about his electrified-fenced compound with the trained-to-kill Doberman dogs and being gobsmacked that he claimed to follow the prince of peace.
My grandmother went on 1 date with Billy when they were young (they walked, but didn't hold hands), and she thought he was a bit of a self promoting huckster and ghosted him. 😂 She never said bad stuff about him more than that, but she wasn't exactly a fan or promoter of him.
Graham was the first evangelical superstar to be regularly invited to say prayers in Congress and he was invited precise because he was useful in suppressing public protest by those concerned about human rights abuses
Bob Dylan on Billy Graham: "This guy was like rock 'n' roll personified - volatile, explosive. He had the hair, the tone, the elocution - when he spoke, he brought the storm down. Clouds parted. Souls got saved, sometimes 30 or 40,000 of them. If you ever went to a Billy Graham rally back then, you were changed forever."
Nothing in America SCREAMS this man needs a statue like reporters saying "Wait untill you hear what he said to Nixon when he thought the public would not find out. Especially after claiming to only talk Jesus and not policy."
I remember as a teenage being always saw him on TV with the presidents & at government occasions. He was treated like celebrity & promoted by TV news! What’s sorry choice! Also a slave owner! Calling BS!
Gross. When I was a kid I told my narcissist mother I thought he was a terrible person and got 5 minutes of yelling from her. I hated him even more. I'm 68.
You mean screaming at you for having an opinion didn't change that option? 😮
When I was a kid my narcissistic mother was a huge fan of his.
My mom (Elizabeth Hinze, 1931-2014) was a narcissist bitch-hole as well and she demanded that I watch the 1977 Anglo-Italian miniseries JESUS OF NAZARETH when it played on NBC. I was nine back then and I really didn't understand much of it.
I'm so very glad you didn't waver or yield.
Religion has given sociopaths, pedophiles and bigotry a place of refuge and trust among what could be a healthy society.
Christians don't do that. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
@@davidlafleche1142Haha. Many know that is not true.
@@Mcfreddo I wrote a novel about an interracial relationship.
@@davidlafleche1142 Unfortunately the people that claim to be christian are anything but and outnumber real christian 100 to 1. All you have to do is watch those evangelical hate preachers and you'll realise that real christian people are in the minority and christianity has been high-jacked by bigots.
@@davidlafleche1142 Child like behavior and self deception are required to pretend man made concepts are real.
Graham was an ardent antisemitic and loved to tell President Nixon as much.
Billy was a pile of crap, and his son is just as bad.
Oddly, the entire USA seems to hate the Jews. It's the "in" thing nowadays.
I was a wee one durong nixons days, and my retired Mstsg dad was no fan either. So, the only thing i know of Nixon is he listed himself as a Quaker and conscientious objectiver. Was he an antisemite? Also what was used to keep that nose up? Shit looks like it needs internal scaffolding like the statue of liberty.
You love to talk about Richard Nixon.
@@warrentape6371 - why shouldn't people talk about the guy who started watergate and thinks cottage cheese on a slice of pineapple with a glass of milk is a meal
Scared little kids for a living.
Disgusting. They traded old hate for new hate.
Or really old for somewhat less old...
Swapping an white supremacist for an evangelical preacher seems a bit redundant to me.
I KNOW, right!!??😂❤
I worked at a NC protestant church when he passed. We all thought he was gross.
NC, do better.
Oh, hello sir, would you like to hold this angry cobra or this kess angry black mamba?
Same decision..hell at least the snakes are h9nezt in the fact that they wanna kill you.
In more ways than most people realize. Both prey upon the weak minded is one example.
@@Detrumpificator4377 And both are white supremacists.
Matt gaetz looks like a bizarro version of Billy graham
😆omg you’re right
Muppet version?
Spent a few hours last night in the ER (severe stomach issues, better now). I needed that laugh, thank you.
Thank you for identifying this 100% truth!
GREAT OBSERVATION. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF MATT AS AN INBRED KENNEDY. OR A KENNEDY MADE OF "SILLY PUTTY"- AND STRETCHED A BIT.
The difference between the two Priests: Father Damian tended to the sick and infirm, people infected with leprosy, who were isolated from the rest of the islands; he did not protelize on television with fear tactics. Graham preached hate, fire and brimstone.
As a former resident of Hawai'i I suggest a statue of Duke Kahanomoku - the man who brought surfing to the masses and US Olympian.
Duke was also on the original Hawaii 5-O.
Unfortunately Graham's racism was held by many Christians as well as his antisemitism.
I was a teenager then and I remember my father saying "if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile." But he claimed he wasn't racist.
I was like 14 or 15 and I knew it was unfair.
But my father's attitude was what many white men thought about the civil rights movement.
At the time it was confounding to me that America could make the claims about being a free society and yet not let a man sit down and eat his lunch in peace.
When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression. You also have to remember that that generation did not get opposing views like you did. You are right, and he is wrong, but there are reasons he was that way, and did not realize it.
@wellhellothere6347 theyre the kinda people who want things to never change.
Christians are not racists. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
@@davidlafleche1142
That's right. Christians recognise that humanity is all one because of the meaning of Christ. If you're a racist you deny the meaning in Christ.
@@hermenutic No, humanity is a "two." Any person is either a child of God or a child of the devil.
Most of the state statues in the U.S. Capitol are hot garbage. Includes both the President and VP of the Confederacy among many other horrible people.
Definitely easier to pick the good ones out of the hot garbage. Kansas just unveiled a statue of Amelia Earhart and their other statue is of Eisenhower. More states should be like Kansas. Utah’s second statue is Philo Farnsworth who helped invent the television. Hawaii has a statue of Kamehameha I and they should replace their statue of Father Damian with Lili’oukalani in my opinion. Louisiana has Huey Long. Alabama has Helen Keller. Etc etc
Why am I not surprised ?
I thought my home of California might do better.
Nope.
Ronald Fucking Reagan
Padre Junipero Serra.
Should be Audrey Hepburn and Dr Albert Hoffman.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statues_of_the_National_Statuary_Hall_Collection
@@calvinsmith6681 While Kamehameha was an aristocrat who used religion and war to further his ambitions, reasonable people would likely not dispute that he had some accomplishments that benefited the people of Hawai'i. Not sure we can say that about Billy Graham, as most of the 'noble virtues' attributed to him were born from propaganda.
@ScottDaniels1977 yep... im sorry, man🫂💔♥️
I was lucky to have a super mixed ancestry & an (still at 75yo!) avowed LW civil rights activist & advocate dad (who's - though not an atheist like me? Is at least open to question his *possible* faith & def isn't cool with the cruel hierarchies & hate found amongst the 3 Abrahamics).
I'm unlucky cos his favorable views towards an eventually unified & egalitarian humanity • as a secular Humanist • makes him as popular as it does me.
Its hard to care about people despite rampant hateful propaganda coercing & misinforming so many people who likely wouldve been kinder otherwise.
@@calvinsmith6681 Kamehameha was kinda problematic though?
Whatever - Im canadian & though im audidactic? I still have much to learn.
So i dunno.
What I do feel is colonialist stolen nations ought to try to veer away from celebrating wytsupremacists if they wanna keep up the often ludicrous, "We're N⁰1! Also freedommmm!!" narrative.
As a child, I was forced to watch a weeks long revival of Billy Graham. It was the most boring thing on earth. Sheer torture. I never believed that bullshit anyway. I'm an atheist now, and i don't miss this crap.
True about boring. His title got me check
Good for you!! Neither do I!!
They love how Billy Graham was so outwardly hateful and got away with it. These are the kind of people they adore
Please give me an example of Graham's outwardly expressed hate.
They will dedicate statues to a televangelist, but my lord Cthulhu does not get one? We have to change this now!
He was from Minnesota.
Yes!!!!❤
I met Billy when I was a worship leader at some young men's conference. He wouldn't even shake my hand or acknowledge me. I was the rare black evangelical. Him being racist kinda makes sense. Then again, even in my own church, racism wasn't even veiled.
Wow, that is rude of him. And for what? A boys club fir boring people and an ego wank? Nothing godly about that. I am sorry you went through that
And yet you still believe in fictional deities.
@@Look_What_You_Did He "was " , it's in the past now
Hey that’s important history: thanks for sharing it, I’m glad you did on this channel. It’s only in past 5years I’ve been able to beginning reassessing everything where previously I had multiple thought-stopping techniques
Another intentional church state separation violation.
"@user"= MEANS BOT
@@ghostmantagshome-er6pb whatever. the comment is correct.
I just finished reading Tim Alberta's book "The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory". As a Canadian who didn't really pay much attention to American politics until Trump, I have to say it was amazing to learn about politics and evangelicalism. I really had no idea of how intertwined religion and politics were and are in right wing politics. But it helped me understand the ridiculous phenomenon that is Trumpism and how such a godless and immoral and corrupt human being attained such power.
Eisenhower in the 1950s started this.
Having said that Reagan in the 1980s really milked it for what it was worth.
Evangelicals did a good job of hiding their ugly world view for decades and we the people ignored them thinking no one would ever hand them enough power to hurt anyone. Starting with President Reagan the entanglement got worse and worse. Now they don't hide anything, they say it out loud, and we ignore it at out own peril. Glad I am old but feel sorry for the younger generation who sees what we choose to ignore but have no power to change it with out our help.
When I was growing up and I would hear Billy Graham on television I would find him to be very scary . Anyone else ? The fact that he was anti semitic and anti gay and a big supporter of Richard Nixon was also a big turn off to me.
Yup, led me to questioning the "Christian Faith" as a whole but years of trying to finding a more truthful faith true to Christ... then on to other faiths... I found they all had issues conflicting with their written doctrines... Then child sexual abuse😢😢😢😢😢😢
When I was growing up in the 80’s, Billy Graham came across as just a very kind, avuncular sort of preacher. But Billy Graham in the 50’s? Hoo boy….
Back in the mid 2000’s, I found myself in Indiana for a few weeks for work, stuck in a rental apartment with only local TV. Three of the local stations would just play religious stuff late at night. I was amazed to come across these old black and white Billy Graham sermons… man was breathing straight fire and brimstone back in those days. What an amazingly unlikeable character he was.
Gotta give him at least some credit for softening up as he aged, I guess.
Oh he was too simple to be scary - are talking about the same man. And look, most of USA voters were Nixon people. He received the highest popular vote in modern times until Reagan. He was your grandmother.
@@stevenpb99I think it's more he realised it wouldn't play well later on. Try the shit he pulled in the fifties he'd be crucified in the eighties
Their attempt to write history.
Like how they blew up the Georgia Guidstones.
Take away their finical advantage and see how long they stay in this grift
I just learned John Coltrane is from NC. He would have been a far better candidate for that statue
This is like building a monument to a fanboy of comics because you like the comics.
In a country that loves to claim separation of church and state, they put a statue of an evangelical preacher inside the capitol building.
My mother made me watch Mr. Graham on TV when I was a kid..I usually fell asleep.. Surprisingly enough, my mother was catholic..
So was I--until I saw the light as it were.
Yes I agree Billy Graham is an embarrassment to North Carolina and it is a sad commentary that this seems to be the best they can come up with for statutory hall in the US Capital.
You should read about Father Damien. His work with lepers was extraordinary.
I'm sure it's a lovely graven image. Alrighty, then. Bye-bye, now.
Friendly Atheist, Hemant, on those tapes, also, he and nixon spoke of hippies and blacks being problems and how tougher drug laws, sentences would help. They targeted them because of 'war protests'! But their language was bad, real bad. Graham bragged of his 'kingmaking' abilities, politically. 👍🏿💙💙💙🥰✌🏻
Billy Graham preached a separate reality from the one that surrounded him. His source was the written thoughts of ancient Hebrews who worshiped a monster god named Yahweh.
Graham's net worth was 25 million dollars when he died in 2018. Not bad for a rich man that Jesus said could not enter his kingdom.
Jesus didn't say that the rich could not enter his kingdom - just that they would find it very difficult.
Don't worry. He didn't....😂😂😂
You can draw a direct line from Billy Graham to Donald Trump.
Billy boy was anti-worker thus anti union😮
time for baphomet to make another appearance i reckon
While amusing, this is unfortunately not a separation of church and state issue, so the Satanic Temple doesn’t have a leg to stand on here
Yes, right next to that hate peddling, money grubbing "preacher to the stars" a-hole.
Fuck that, how bout Mehrunes Dagon?
@@iso-didact789 no objections here lol. We could really use an angry hermit alchemists about now 🤣
I wonder how many states have statues of scientists or doctors…
Isnt that considered ideology which is against gods words? And as a non profit non taxed couldnt they used the money to build a few homeless shelters for families or people with animals..
Christians don't give a crap about "god's word." What they DO care about is how they can use "god's word" as post-hoc justification for every horror they wish to commit, and everything they ever want to do.
I think you meant idolatry, right.
I was a young child when he was at his peak. He was my abusive mother's hero.
And you blame her abusiveness on Billy Graham? That's seems a little unfair.
This is the same guy who had a area the size of 2 football fields (may have been 1 i can't remember honestly) full of expensive suits.. But didn't want to help the poor.. Yeah Jesus would've been for that..
THANK YOU FOR THIS INFO........THE HYPOCRACY OF THE RIGHTIOUS IS UNLIMITED........
I live in NC and I agree with you 100% about Billy Graham!
It's sad to see how popular racist (and also otherwise bigoted) christian nationalism is.
Exodus 21
I despise screaming bible thumping evangelists.
Ugh WTF 🤬 he is a disgrace
Christians need pay 😭
He preempted Knight Rider one time and I'm an atheist now because of it.
OMG!
I grew up as an agnostic Unitarian; my best friend in highschool was a Southern Baptist - weird, I know LOL. We went to see Billy Graham at Angel Stadium together in 1969. Unsurprisingly, I was not impressed; surprisingly, neither was my Christian friend!
My husband is a descent of Zebulon Baird Vance. He is very torn on the connection as he was very much pro-slavery and racist against black people, but he was also adamantly against anti-Semitism.
In the end, he prefers to laud his mother's side of the family who have been firmly progressive and pro-civil rights for generations.
Thanks for the update. It is so easy for things like this to get buried. Before I knew any negative facts about Graham, I always felt he was sleazy. That was up until I was about 14.
Me too! Was about 15 too!
From NC, grew up evangelical, and every time Billy Graham comes up I just think about the time I went to the whole museum and stuff as a teen before we went to go do Operation Christmas Child … and how the whole time I was like “but isn’t idolatry bad?” and it started me off on my journey of skepticism. So thanks for that, I guess! Anyway, he’s trash.
They aren’t even hiding it anymore
Oh come on! Father Damian dedicated his life to caring for the most outcast members of society LEPERS! He was one of the few religious persons who truly lived the message of the gospel. Graham, not so much.
At least father Damien tried to help people. He worked with the leper community in Hawaii and ended up contacting the disease himself. He treated the people there with more respect than they had been before. He ate with them, wasn't afraid to be near them and treated them as human beings. He's become the unofficial saint of people who have HIV. I'm not sure Billy Graham helped anyone.
The good thing about being hopeless is there's nothing left to worry about.
Enjoy what you can while you still can.
As a kid, I hated when a Billy Graham special displaced regular television programming.
Me too! I remember ranting and raving once because I wanted to watch America's Funniest Home Videos, and they put Billy Graham on instead!
@@melissacooper8724 There's usually a place for those kinds of theological shenanigans like during times of the day when these stations usually present local programming or on cable/satellite TV. But please, you guys. Leave the network shows alone and DON'T pre-empt them with programming that doesn't really belong there in the first case.
I saw him in London: was still waiting to be moved when he ended: I just couldn't see the point.
Yet mega popular in his day. In Brisbane Australia over 300,000 turned out to see him at a racetrack - 1:5 of the cities population. In Melbourne he filled 120,000 sports stadium. But his sermons were bland - nothing much to them. Nothing to offend. Preached to more people in history - beating the modern popes
You can't make this stuff up!! Crazy! Thanks for your thoughts!
Doesn’t the ten commandments make mention that there shall be no false idols (graven images)?!?!
Well there is no list of 10 Commandments in the Bible.
But yes, that list - sure
NOTE: that texas oil magnet CHOSE AND GROOMED GRAHAM to "have the ear of the presidents." Worked didnt it.
I remember back in February 2018 when Graham passed away, the central public library in Beaumont, Texas (where I still work at) put up a display of books from Billy Graham in his honor, decorated with several quotes and photos from him. The following month in March when famed physicist Stephen Hawking passed away, for whatever reason my library's staff did NOT do a display of his books. I live in a somewhat conservative/bible belt city, and my work supervisor at the time was a proud evangelical, so I was not surprised that my staff opted to honor a terrible, homophobic preacher instead of one of the most brilliant scientific minds ever. It did make me pretty sad and disappointed, and I kinda wish I could go back in time 6 years ago to convince my library's staff to do an equal display for Hawking as well. But yeah....this is Texas, it's run by book-banning, Bible-loving, migrant-hating extremists and getting worse.
Public libraries are municipal GOVERNMENT entities. So as such, they must honor and observe the separation of church and state. A display of Professor Hawking's books on the occasion of his passage would have made way more sense.
@@pinedelgado4743 True
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I'm about as lapsed as a Catholic can be, but Billy Graham was no Father Damien.
I am too, to be quite honest.
I am just now learning about this National Statuary Hall thing... and I'm a nearly 60 year old native born North Carolinian. That tells you a lot about how prominent this National Statuary Hall is in the state (and probably national) consciousness. And as we approach the 2024 election that will determine whether we remain a democracy or not, the fact that we have a bigot representing our state in this venue few people know exist strikes me as pretty low down the priority list. I mean, I'm pretty sure lots of states' statues in the NSH represent people who were pretty awful by modern standards.
I'm just relieved no taxpayer money was wasted on this travesty.
I do find it ironic that people get upset about a statue of a slave owner being in a city named after a slave owner.
Kind of describes most of America, doesn't it?
The statue should be of Ric Flair. Wooooooo!
I would actually enjoy seeing that.
billy graham was just another grifter.
He was a filthy rich grifter.
The last time I had a connection at the Charlotte airport, there was an advert to see Graham's home as their most-visited tourist attraction. As an atheist, I thought about how sad this was. He was definitely an anti-Semite and a racist. Read his unauthorized biography , "The Prince of War," by Cecil Bothwell. He held undue influence with Nixon and other Republican administrations, where he inveigled himself into a unelected advisory positions, and he helped to extend the Vietnam War - which needlessly killed thousands of U.S. soldiers. He does not belong in Statuary Hall. Period!
I went to the BillyGrahamLand show in Charlotte. Wanted to piss on his grave, which is the first part of the show. That is followed by going into a small barn to show his humble beginnings...which leads into a HUGE pavillion showing his rise to fame and glory. leading to a chapel area where a recording is supposed to make you want to make you "want to be saved! (tm)" ...but not from the gift and book shop plus restaurant outside. The whole thing was designed the same as any Universal or Disney ride.
These con men (Graham left behind $25 million) call themselves evangelicals because they are NOTHING not christian ("jesus" left behind his clothes). They are as authentic as the "wine" they get their beLIEvers to drink.
Billy Graham met and influenced many Democrat Presidents too, from Kennedy to Obama.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Sounds like a visit to Mangyongdae, the birthplace of North Korean communist dictator Kim Il-sung. They do pretty much the same thing with Mr. Kim that they're doing with Mr. Graham.
Don’t diss father Damien from Hawaii....he dedicated his life to serving people with Leprosy. He was pretty much abandoned on the island by his church. I saw a movie about him and it was extremely heartwarming.
I don't know why they don't put a statue of Senator Sam Ervin up there!
Billy Graham . I barely paid attention to him when I was younger . He was just a preacher who wasn’t part of my faith . Some things he said I agreed with, some things he said I thought were weird
I paid attention to him so little I never had the displeasure of finding myself in agreement with him on anything.
I mean ... Honestly, the guy was such a reprobate. A few quotes in the media to decide to NEVER lend him an ear
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Billy Graham wasn’t fit to wash Father Damien’s feet.
Billy Graham wouldn't stoop so low, like the servant "son of god" he claimed to worship.
We need a statue of kent hovind riding a pterrordax.
A non-profit group is, some say spending, i say wasting, over half a million on a statue. As a "non-profit" they paid no taxes on that $650,000 so, in essence, the taxpayers are paying some of that cost.
Calling BS
Jesus Christ was born, lived and died a Jew. And, these people read the Bible. As an adult I'm an atheist however, I do remember my catechism from my youth.
They don't read the bible. They just believe everything their church tells them is in the bible.
I am not sure about that. He might have collected sticks on Saturday
What 😮?!?!
Shamefully violation of 1st amendment
Can we get statues of Marie Laveau and Anton LaVey to make it fair?
We really need to get a statue of Josephine Baker out there. She was amazing.
Opposing them empowers their rhetoric. Accepting their statue choices creates something to dust that people will ask, "Who is that?"
And when they insist on displaying The Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn, I say compel them to display all 613 of the commandments. We should hold these people to stand and account for every word they promote in their projection of public piety.
Not just the Commandments..the entire books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, the "God-given rules"...
@@caronstout354 Well, from what we see here in GB, some politicians seem to break just about every one of the original ten. They don't have much chance of keeping the rest......
I want nothing to do with any kind of religion it has caused endless suffering death and destruction
Not acceptable...
Andy Griffith might have been a better choice, all considered.
Great post, Hemant!
Love the channel!
A better statue idea for North Carolina would be the musician James Taylor. The only problem is that he's alive as of May 2024.
Of the United States? What. Im confussed. Why would this have been approved?
At 6:48 he says (about Billy Graham) "He obviously thought that everyone who disagreed with his theology was going to burn in Hell for eternity" ------>
But that's not actually true! Now, I'm no fan of Billy Graham. And I do not follow ANY of the world's standard religious doctrines. But Billy Graham (as far back as the 1990s, anyway, was clear that he did NOT believe people of other faiths, or even those with no religious faith, will be damned by God.
He made that clear back in in 1997, during an interview with the TV evangelist Robert Schuller, Graham no less. And it earned him a LOT of flack from many evangelical Christians.
Here's what Graham said.
"I think that everybody that loves or knows Christ, whether they are conscious of it or not, they are members of the body of Christ ... [God] is calling people out of the world for his name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they have been called by God. They may not know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something they do not have, and they turn to the only light they have, and I think that they are saved and they are going to be with us in heaven."
So I guess this actually includes people like myself. Which is rather nice!
However, I wonder if Mike Johnson (committed Christian Nationalist as he is) is aware of Graham's stance on this interpretation of who is 'saved'.
I don't think you're interpreting that the way he meant it. He certainly isn't talking about atheists that's for sure.
You sure sound like a fan of Billy Graham @rumi9005 as you try to sugar coat his hate.
@@amberinthemist7912nobody mentioned atheist then ... Still don't.
It should be a statue of Ric Flair
Flair isn't dead yet, is he?
Has no place on federal property.
Tax the religion industry.
The best they can come up with is billy Graham? Yeah, God loves idols.
“ if there’s one thing I know about God it’s that he loves idols” 😂😂😂
Are there no notabl women in No. Carolina? No? How about a sculpture of a bear?
As what many would call a Christian, it should bother Christians when a secular government honors a "christian". The secular government isn't getting things right, it just means that billy Graham was of this world because the world loves and honors its own.
The one thing I like about the bible, it's made of paper and thus is easily recycled.
I just remember reading about his electrified-fenced compound with the trained-to-kill Doberman dogs and being gobsmacked that he claimed to follow the prince of peace.
My grandmother went on 1 date with Billy when they were young (they walked, but didn't hold hands), and she thought he was a bit of a self promoting huckster and ghosted him. 😂 She never said bad stuff about him more than that, but she wasn't exactly a fan or promoter of him.
His wife seems to have put up with him. Guess she liked someone with a job and got to live in a nice home and travel.
He was a conman and grifter..sighhhhh
Graham was the first evangelical superstar to be regularly invited to say prayers in Congress and he was invited precise because he was useful in suppressing public protest by those concerned about human rights abuses
Bob Dylan on Billy Graham: "This guy was like rock 'n' roll personified - volatile, explosive. He had the hair, the tone, the elocution - when he spoke, he brought the storm down. Clouds parted. Souls got saved, sometimes 30 or 40,000 of them. If you ever went to a Billy Graham rally back then, you were changed forever."
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Respect sir, through the internet.
Insanity
That is ridiculous. We're going backwards
Nothing in America SCREAMS this man needs a statue like reporters saying "Wait untill you hear what he said to Nixon when he thought the public would not find out. Especially after claiming to only talk Jesus and not policy."
Today, Thursday? Today is Monday.
Everyone in North Carolina was not on board with this, I was never even asked
Non profits can get paid from the government depending on requirements
I remember as a teenage being always saw him on TV with the presidents & at government occasions. He was treated like celebrity & promoted by TV news!
What’s sorry choice!
Also a slave owner!
Calling BS!