I had made a mistake on the spreadsheet in the video, here is the updated spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12KGyilmQW4zHBs1lU9ehpL3WCKxFd2L5/edit?usp=share_link&ouid=114360223759976986606&rtpof=true&sd=true
Now do you guys understand why we need more variations of the blue talisman? Please help me suggest manual input of stat combinations when crafting the blue talisman. Having a STR/INT blue talisman would be wonderful.
This is the same logic why skill type with enough pen and enough number of skills to do an infinite rotation will always out damage the current state of crit type normal attack. Especially with skills that have 2 modifiers patk and stat multiplier. (Given their equipments are almost on the same level).
there is something wrong with sphere mine skill description. everytime you level it up, there is a "stats multiplier" increase on the bottom part (level up effect) but for the description in the box itself, the int remain 17...
I'm not an Alchemist job but I read some of the comments seems they confuse Str and Int and Patk and Matk, correct me if I'm wrong just want to share my insight I might wrong but everyone here seems need all the help they can get so, I think it's best to get Int for main stat most all 3 builds of Alche seems int-based then go for higher refine or patk enchants if your looking for raw patk than going for str, especially now your going to switch to int earring accessories not sure how it works but the same principle applies with pen builds or falcon rangers, they tend to have low raw patk's coz of how they designed the builds, or you can balance both str and Int with getting it's blue accessories to boost it and both str and Int enchants, cards, shadow equipment, battle achievement and awakenings will suffice for advance stats imho, though I'm not sure coz I'm not playing this job let's brainstorm this job's build who knows we might see something
I'm just starting rox. Any chance you'll make any tier list or something like that for the classes? Like for f2p or something like that. You're the only English speaking rox youtuber and the information flow is super dry, especially for TH-cam. Hope you'll read this ^^
Oh hi i have made one video about the most pick job class for pvp quite awhile ago, you can watch that, here is the link th-cam.com/video/E2srB_1O6QQ/w-d-xo.html
if your build is a crit build then the pen stat will not increase the crit dmg. But if you play as a pen build then the skill will take dmg from the pen stat
I see… then which one do u think is better? I just converted my warlock to genetic and aims to play mace build. So all i have is high int with no pen and crit. Which should i pursue?
is it final pdmg bns% or pdmg bns%? players may have other opinion on this, for me atk% is important to normal auto attack build, final pdmg bns% scale better with hast penetration build
@@basketballhighlight9743 both have the same value of importance, balance both stat for optimum dmg output, but for crit build the crit dmg bns will be better to get
Hey King, may i know what elements does f2p Shadow Chaser play? Some said go for pure stats like pdmg bonus/ppen on enchant and no element needed. Base on suggestion given, this will be my f2p enchants Dual dagger > STR Armor > 1 Vit 2Str Acc> 2str 1 Ppen (morroc have pdmg bonus?is it worth?) My acc/talisman all white lvl 50 for now and currently lvl 83 SC. Thank you in advance King
Yeah. I have a full lvl 25 set tier 6. With asp acce. I also have a full haste tier 6 lvl25 accessories for the pitcher build. It’s a bad build but I don’t care because like King, we want to do off meta.
Going for mace type needs to cap on aspd then crit and crit dmg on top of maxing INT. Very powerful indeed but takes a lot of investment to achieve... specially for the shadow equipment to increase the proc rate. Though to be fair, this is the first alchemist version that doesn't rely on throwing bombs in pvp.. which is a breath of fresh air.
Hi King, nice vid! Very informative. I'm a 1h mech wondering to switch to 1h Alch. Do you have an idea how much zeny (convert materials to zeny) do I need to do 1 minute of continuous dps?
@@KingSpadeGaming i was wondering about alche skills would be so helpful in pvp for breaking stuffs, like stripping and breaking would be so annoying lmao.
I think for job class that is not benefit from their main attribute, it only increase the stat just a littke bit. It's like getting STR for ranger for example, you will not get a lot of patk because ranger main attribute is dex not str. And certainly alchemist main attribute is not INT, it is STR. You will get a lot of Matk from int only if you are a mage.
must have 300k Patk+ to make up damage Vs. Int. Having mixed accessories does not help too. Ex. Demonstration STR based (4%X100,000Patk.) + (200int x 4) = 4800. Int based (4%X 20,000) + 2800) = 11,200. Bottom line unless you have a very high PATK Around 350k+ go with STR or else go INT.
Im going to change from 1H mecha to Alc. Do you think I should fill all slot with fire dmg card?or should I go P.Pen card? Since skill dmg is mixed fire and neutral. Neutral wont benefit from shellfish card.
I think alchemist benefit from fire element, and mix it with ppen card as well, for example seal ppen weapon card, and penomena acc card instead of shellfish
I Am using 1h mace and shield penetration type..weap n acc white lvl 50, armor set 70, talis aspd..my build pure int and vit..my opinion, 1h mace is burts damage not apsd because pasif skill impulsif slash..maybe I wrong, sorry
that's the problem, the mace is auto atk crit build which use STR, but the impulsive slash skill (triggered with normal atk) deal more dmg with INT. I think you can only depends on Amistr and cart skills if you go for full STR build for mace
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Odin's Stat Bonus is right. Looking at characters within a STR range, they don't match the PAtk you have computed in your spreadsheet. It's lower.
@@KingSpadeGaming I am aware of the additional PAtk per 100 STR stat but the calculation on the spreadsheet seems wrong. Try checking on players with certain STR stat and see if it matches your calculations.
@@Vyrnuhrd and also this is a clean stat, no additional stat like patk% that you get from weapon upgrade and refine, card deposit, title unlock, wardrobe stat points etc. The patk in most players definitely have more patk if you factor in those additional stat. Which just means that the patk will affect the skill dmg more than int.
sorry king the formula u input to the excle for str is wrong, its result is too big XD example i have 300 str the result is (100x4)+(100x4.2)+(100x4.4) not 300x4.4
Hi King, im a Genetic 1h Axe, Neutral Type., i came from Mechanic Neutral pure Str Type., and since im a skill user, i can say is my dps is higher when i changed my enchants to INT overall., now im slowly transitioning to pure INT., the extra MP and M.def is kinda good too for extra survivability in PvP., INT-STR for PVE, INT-VIT for PvP.,
Tested this with STR = not recommended. INT gives more damage than STR by a mile or 3x. For the VIT it is recommended for you to stay alive and because potion skills rely on the VIT stats.
I forgot to mention that this idea of stat builds and builds were based on the version of RO where all skills of alchemist were based in INT. To those who knows, yup, that 1 specific version but was later changed that only acid demo is based in INT. That version is the OP version of alche. That version also includes demonstration skill that was stackable in 1 cell but was later changed to only 3 demonstration per cell. To those who knows that was the version that you can stack hundreds or million demonstration in one cell so one step into it = instant death.
Forgot to add - patk matters too. So most of the yt videos didn’t consider the cards and patk. The patk is also needed for the damage. So basically if you build int you will also need higher patk with cards or str. Since str gave more patk in the end game stats, the damage is higher compared to int. But at the same time, if you somehow get high patk for what ever reason + int. You’ll get even more higher damage.
I think alchemist is powerful Example it's alchemist attack speed Atk speed fast(more damage(1vs1 can win)) I think rox must balance for make this passive skill to active
Lol, they forgot STR type 🤣 I'm making Crit type Mace-Shield DPS 👍 it is the only build that doesn't focus on INT and for those prefer not reset after update 😅 kinda nice, only depends on Amistr and Cart skills (plus a few non-INT skills)
@@KingSpadeGaming but its the computation that i'm concerned about here tho. since 3k str no longer yield 300k p.atk, is it safe to assume that int is an even greater multiplier?
@@erwinjohnelmido9944 oh i had edited the table, i made a mistake on the formula. Watch the latest video that i made about the skill dmg clculation, i show it there.
![[ROMC] Set It Straight Once and For All! 14 Damage Test on Shadow Chaser Magic Trap Skill](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3k2u143dQiQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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![[ROX] STR or INT Stat Deal More Damage? | Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic | KingSpade](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/f-uKYtxRqCU/mqdefault.jpg)
I had made a mistake on the spreadsheet in the video, here is the updated spreadsheet:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12KGyilmQW4zHBs1lU9ehpL3WCKxFd2L5/edit?usp=share_link&ouid=114360223759976986606&rtpof=true&sd=true
@pororoLPM try again, i was editing
but still the str stat outprerforms the int stat in the long run, right?
thank you
@@nivibarrios681 yes (but you need a lot of STR!), try look a the spreadsheet again, i had updated it
Now do you guys understand why we need more variations of the blue talisman?
Please help me suggest manual input of stat combinations when crafting the blue talisman.
Having a STR/INT blue talisman would be wonderful.
Dex/Str 🤣🤣
@@KingSpadeGaming lol. That would be nice too for Bow Rogue.
I badly need VIT/LUK for my 2H RG.
Great Video! was really looking forward to this! the excel calculation is a bonus! Shoutout on your next video please! ♥
hi kingspade, do you know how we can request for rox to add a dash to genetic? every class seems to have dash except genetic
Hi you can send a suggestion at the official discord, implementation is not guarantee but at least you can reach out to them that way.
ty spade, as genetic love user
i really appreciate your work
it really help me by a lot to plan for my build...
Hope it help
This is the same logic why skill type with enough pen and enough number of skills to do an infinite rotation will always out damage the current state of crit type normal attack. Especially with skills that have 2 modifiers patk and stat multiplier. (Given their equipments are almost on the same level).
did you upload the 2nd part of this video?
there is something wrong with sphere mine skill description.
everytime you level it up, there is a "stats multiplier" increase on the bottom part (level up effect) but for the description in the box itself, the int remain 17...
nice guide king! good job! happy new year tho 😉
Hope it help! Happy new year too!
I'm not an Alchemist job but I read some of the comments seems they confuse Str and Int and Patk and Matk, correct me if I'm wrong just want to share my insight I might wrong but everyone here seems need all the help they can get so, I think it's best to get Int for main stat most all 3 builds of Alche seems int-based then go for higher refine or patk enchants if your looking for raw patk than going for str, especially now your going to switch to int earring accessories not sure how it works but the same principle applies with pen builds or falcon rangers, they tend to have low raw patk's coz of how they designed the builds, or you can balance both str and Int with getting it's blue accessories to boost it and both str and Int enchants, cards, shadow equipment, battle achievement and awakenings will suffice for advance stats imho, though I'm not sure coz I'm not playing this job let's brainstorm this job's build who knows we might see something
hi king, how about 1h axe also have pen. is pen also give boost for homunculus dmg?
im not sure how homunculus works, does it affect by any stat or they have their own stat like pet?
I'm just starting rox. Any chance you'll make any tier list or something like that for the classes? Like for f2p or something like that.
You're the only English speaking rox youtuber and the information flow is super dry, especially for TH-cam. Hope you'll read this ^^
Oh hi i have made one video about the most pick job class for pvp quite awhile ago, you can watch that, here is the link
th-cam.com/video/E2srB_1O6QQ/w-d-xo.html
Good day, KS! Happy New Year! RG spear review please. Thanks
happy new year to you too! cant promise on RG but i'll look into it
@kingspade the impulsive slash can crit but does it benefit from pen also?
if your build is a crit build then the pen stat will not increase the crit dmg. But if you play as a pen build then the skill will take dmg from the pen stat
I see… then which one do u think is better? I just converted my warlock to genetic and aims to play mace build. So all i have is high int with no pen and crit. Which should i pursue?
@@hansentantoso2515 the impulsive slash skill can crit, so rake advantage of that and make a mace crit build
Hi idol King, would you know which is better between +ATK% or +P.DMG Bonus%? Thank you :)
is it final pdmg bns% or pdmg bns%? players may have other opinion on this, for me atk% is important to normal auto attack build, final pdmg bns% scale better with hast penetration build
@@KingSpadeGaming king what's higher dps dmg p.dmg % or crit dmg %
@@basketballhighlight9743 both have the same value of importance, balance both stat for optimum dmg output, but for crit build the crit dmg bns will be better to get
@@KingSpadeGaming Thank you so much, it is Final Pdmg bonus.. so for Auto atk type, ATK+% is better?
Hey King, may i know what elements does f2p Shadow Chaser play? Some said go for pure stats like pdmg bonus/ppen on enchant and no element needed.
Base on suggestion given, this will be my f2p enchants
Dual dagger > STR
Armor > 1 Vit 2Str
Acc> 2str 1 Ppen (morroc have pdmg bonus?is it worth?)
My acc/talisman all white lvl 50 for now and currently lvl 83 SC. Thank you in advance King
Get all STR enchant if you use blue acc, if you use white accessories then invest on final ppen and final pdmg bns instead
My Alch is a VIT type coater and pitcher. Using bloodsuck + 80% reflect damage set.
Ohh you start playing again
can you share your build?
Yeah. I have a full lvl 25 set tier 6. With asp acce. I also have a full haste tier 6 lvl25 accessories for the pitcher build. It’s a bad build but I don’t care because like King, we want to do off meta.
happy new year king!
Happy new year to you too!
Hello King, i am a beginner at playing rox and i want to know what should i prioritize playing alchemist. Should i go for PPen or MPen
Alchemist deal physical dmg although they benefit from INT stat, that being said you need ppen
Thanks King for the important information
Going for mace type needs to cap on aspd then crit and crit dmg on top of maxing INT. Very powerful indeed but takes a lot of investment to achieve... specially for the shadow equipment to increase the proc rate. Though to be fair, this is the first alchemist version that doesn't rely on throwing bombs in pvp.. which is a breath of fresh air.
Aspd just rely on weapon 👍 coz what matters for mace user are int and crit rate 👍
Hi King, nice vid! Very informative. I'm a 1h mech wondering to switch to 1h Alch. Do you have an idea how much zeny (convert materials to zeny) do I need to do 1 minute of continuous dps?
hi that will depends on the eq upgrade, refine and enchant, but i think from mech to alche you can just re-use all of the eq without transferring
@@KingSpadeGaming sorry. I meant the bottles, plant seeds, etc 😅
Good day king, do you have any idea if rogues can copy demonstration skill of alche?
it should be able to since the skill is an active damaging skill
@@KingSpadeGaming i was wondering about alche skills would be so helpful in pvp for breaking stuffs, like stripping and breaking would be so annoying lmao.
Thank you so much for this video, King!
thats what we called effort ❤️
I am an Alchemist with somewhere around 600-ish INT, based on that table, i was supposed to have 10k MATK...but sadly I only have 3k-ish of it :/
I think for job class that is not benefit from their main attribute, it only increase the stat just a littke bit. It's like getting STR for ranger for example, you will not get a lot of patk because ranger main attribute is dex not str. And certainly alchemist main attribute is not INT, it is STR. You will get a lot of Matk from int only if you are a mage.
must have 300k Patk+ to make up damage Vs. Int. Having mixed accessories does not help too. Ex. Demonstration STR based (4%X100,000Patk.) + (200int x 4) = 4800. Int based (4%X 20,000) + 2800) = 11,200. Bottom line unless you have a very high PATK Around 350k+ go with STR or else go INT.
What build.
Blue equipment
.
Strength and int?
Im starting mace shield alche what stat should i go str or int acce?
for mace impulsive slash skill, the dmg is scale with INT
@@KingSpadeGaming so il crft blue int acce not str ?
Im going to change from 1H mecha to Alc. Do you think I should fill all slot with fire dmg card?or should I go P.Pen card? Since skill dmg is mixed fire and neutral. Neutral wont benefit from shellfish card.
I think alchemist benefit from fire element, and mix it with ppen card as well, for example seal ppen weapon card, and penomena acc card instead of shellfish
Pure INT/STR stats and INT Enchant VS STR/INT and STR enchant For 1 hand Axe ???
mace int type here, my patk is 1250 only, but my damage can reach already up to 100k with impulsive slash and crit, so for me int for the win.
yeah the impulsive slash skill scale with INT
I Am using 1h mace and shield penetration type..weap n acc white lvl 50, armor set 70, talis aspd..my build pure int and vit..my opinion, 1h mace is burts damage not apsd because pasif skill impulsif slash..maybe I wrong, sorry
hey king, i'm mace user. So from this video, should I increase more int than str?
that's the problem, the mace is auto atk crit build which use STR, but the impulsive slash skill (triggered with normal atk) deal more dmg with INT. I think you can only depends on Amistr and cart skills if you go for full STR build for mace
thank you king. but i will see you next video of this job .. before i will decide if i will change my mechanic to genetic ^_^
Can you make videos about homunculus comparison
Which is better than whitesmith?
@@CopyC4T. Mace alchemist is definitely better in early to mid game
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Odin's Stat Bonus is right. Looking at characters within a STR range, they don't match the PAtk you have computed in your spreadsheet. It's lower.
yeah should be 30,000patk @3k str, + patk% from weapon/acce. so direct str to int comparison doesnt work
There is an additional patk too for every 100 points str, i didn't factor that in in the calculation, i had explained that in the video.
@@KingSpadeGaming I am aware of the additional PAtk per 100 STR stat but the calculation on the spreadsheet seems wrong. Try checking on players with certain STR stat and see if it matches your calculations.
@@Vyrnuhrd and also this is a clean stat, no additional stat like patk% that you get from weapon upgrade and refine, card deposit, title unlock, wardrobe stat points etc. The patk in most players definitely have more patk if you factor in those additional stat. Which just means that the patk will affect the skill dmg more than int.
@King Spade even @3000str people doesnt have 365k patk. Most are at 130k-150k this already includes patk% from weapon,acce,SE etc
sorry king the formula u input to the excle for str is wrong, its result is too big XD
example i have 300 str the result is (100x4)+(100x4.2)+(100x4.4) not 300x4.4
yeah, someone already notify me. i had updated the spreadsheet, if you download the spreadsheet now, it has different calculation.
@@KingSpadeGaming ah okey sorry king :D
Hi King, im a Genetic 1h Axe, Neutral Type., i came from Mechanic Neutral pure Str Type., and since im a skill user, i can say is my dps is higher when i changed my enchants to INT overall., now im slowly transitioning to pure INT., the extra MP and M.def is kinda good too for extra survivability in PvP., INT-STR for PVE, INT-VIT for PvP.,
yeah int deal a lot of dmg if you dont have at least 100K patk yet
when i reached 100k+ p.attack, thats the right time i should pump STR?
or should i continue going STR, until i reach 100k+ attack? then i would see the difference between STR and INT?
@@francisgabrielbeltran1936 it depends on the skill dmg multiplier, look at the spreadsheet again, i had updated it
got it King., thank you., i have a rough idea on how to build my Genetic., thank you very much., your guides are really helpful., keep it up!
YOUR A GENIUS KING
and king spade guide for farming because some skill have a item to use it so the easy way of farming something like that thanks again
Still at lost how does the odin blessing work on the main stat.
just remember every 100 STR it add extra 0.2 Patk so it become 4.2 patk for the first 100 STR, and 4.4 at the next 100 points
Tested this with STR = not recommended. INT gives more damage than STR by a mile or 3x. For the VIT it is recommended for you to stay alive and because potion skills rely on the VIT stats.
I forgot to mention that this idea of stat builds and builds were based on the version of RO where all skills of alchemist were based in INT. To those who knows, yup, that 1 specific version but was later changed that only acid demo is based in INT. That version is the OP version of alche. That version also includes demonstration skill that was stackable in 1 cell but was later changed to only 3 demonstration per cell. To those who knows that was the version that you can stack hundreds or million demonstration in one cell so one step into it = instant death.
Forgot to add - patk matters too. So most of the yt videos didn’t consider the cards and patk. The patk is also needed for the damage. So basically if you build int you will also need higher patk with cards or str. Since str gave more patk in the end game stats, the damage is higher compared to int. But at the same time, if you somehow get high patk for what ever reason + int. You’ll get even more higher damage.
Wich element for alchemist bro
can we have that spreedsheet?
Yeah it is at the pin comment and also at video description
@@KingSpadeGaming you didnt give me a shoutout
@@dylantv9794 coming up!
is homun skill table still bug?
King please share build for 2h genetic
basically if your stat is below 1800, just go for INT build. If higher than 1800, go for STR : )
no.. dont look at the STR point but look at the PATK
@@KingSpadeGaming yes. This is why I changed all my enchantment to int and have 3 parts of equipment (weapon, 2 crit acce) to p.attk 😅
Nice
I think alchemist is powerful
Example it's alchemist attack speed
Atk speed fast(more damage(1vs1 can win))
I think rox must balance for make this passive skill to active
King any comment about the KPASS , they did something again :D
Fire type is fun , sadly I use one hand axe
Lol, they forgot STR type 🤣 I'm making Crit type Mace-Shield DPS 👍 it is the only build that doesn't focus on INT and for those prefer not reset after update 😅 kinda nice, only depends on Amistr and Cart skills (plus a few non-INT skills)
If you are going to pure STR i think Flir migh be better, cause Flir the only Homun that non INT based
@@Chongyunsimp I summon Amistr because I need def 👍
int is the main source of mace build, with 600is int you can crit up to 1.2m
@@nickjustincastillo6707 does the impulsive slash skill can crit?
@@KingSpadeGaming yes, im have 600ish int and 3.4k patk only, i can crit from 600k to 1.2m with implusive slash and gene upgrade
I gave 3k str but only 106k p.atk tho so int still wins
Yeah whale have 300k patk at 6k str, so imagine that difference
@@KingSpadeGaming but its the computation that i'm concerned about here tho. since 3k str no longer yield 300k p.atk, is it safe to assume that int is an even greater multiplier?
@@erwinjohnelmido9944 oh i had edited the table, i made a mistake on the formula. Watch the latest video that i made about the skill dmg clculation, i show it there.
INT has more multiplier , i guess INT still wins hands down
So no ones gonna talk about illusion doping being spammable when used in auto?🤣
Bro, if you're going to show case a class, show us the class gameplay in the background or during your downtime not a random ass Sniper.
Hi i see you are new to the channel, watch more of the videos and you will understand why it is as it is. Welcome to the channel.