@x_ Zeath To be frank I don't know much on the matter as much you do. However, from what you say I must ask how is it possible that with American aid the Mujhahids were able to drive off the mighty Soviet army but failed to eradicate internal state actors (Taliban). This is not possible unless considerable fraction of Mujhahid shifted to Taliban
We armed the Mujahideen tribes that were all fighting against the Soviets. When they weren't fighting the Soviets, the tribes would sometimes fight each other. When the Soviets withdrew in 89 the entire country of Afghanistan had a civil war with every one of the tribes fighting each other for control of the country. That's how the Taliban came to power in 1992.
+capnhands The Taliban were also backed by Pakistan's ISI, who were working with the CIA throughout this war. They gave most of our weapons to a guy they liked named Galbudin Hekmatyar, who is currently a top member of Al-Qaeda. He made a favorable name for himself among Islamist extremists as a young man when he burned a woman's face off for trying to learn how to read. Pakistan lost control of the Taliban and they went rogue. They were simply too insane for anyone to control, even the Saudi Salafis.
The Taliban came into power in late '96, not '92. The Pakistanis rightfully backed them for the simple reason that they stabilized the region...instability in Afghanistan destabilized adjacent parts of Pakistan.
Also the whole war lord thing led to tribes being raided and war lords from Northern Alliance would take young boys for "bacha bazi" and make them dance, wear girl clothes and make-up then rape the boys.... Taliban outlawed bacha bazi so that helped them gain power... Also that Sharia fear helped.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...at least until our enemy is defeated and that friend once again becomes an enemy, who I've now supported and armed.
There is no permanent enemy or friend..... My freind its just a matter of time. And you armed him because you wanted russia to be apart and then attacked the same friendly country.......
donnsald trump Yeah it is that simple. Many of them may not have been part of the Taliban, but the power vaccum combined with having a shit ton of now heavily armed tribes after the Soviet's withdraw was the perfect setting for exremists to seize power.
Austin McMahon I've actually changed my opinion since I wrote that. The whole thing was fucked the second soviet troops arrived. They destroyed a lot of afghanistan's infrastructure and didn't give much of the local government to work with after they left. They practically set the country back by several decades.
Not really..but yeah of course,lot of former ''Mujahideen'' entered to the Taliban, but who really pushed the creation of the group were Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.All with the false indifference of the American government (the same crap with Al Qaeda)
@@cardboardbox9119 The mujahedeen were a mix of them all, you had future Al-Quaeda leaders and followers, you had future Taliban leaders and followers and you had people like Ahmad Shah Massoud who was another warlord, they were just a mix of all, the thing they all had in commen was liberating their country from the soviets
Paul Barclay You make a good point, but a Chinese invasion and occupation of Afghanistan would probably be as costly as every foreign incursion beforehand. If this holds true the Chinese might leave anyway regardless of how brutal their methods may be.
Afghanistan 1980 Soviet:stop send them stinger or anti air rocket USA:stop me if you can Afghanistan 2001 USA:where they get this ATGM? RUSSIAN:now you know what i mean
I remember reading about the actual first shoot down. There were two guys and a US advisor. They saw a 3 heli squadron. The first guy got his tone and fired. The missile was a dud and only launched about 50ft in front of them then landed on the ground. He turned around and gave the advisor a disappointed "wtf" look. The advisor was freaking out that they Mujahedeen were going to lose confidence in the systems right away. The second guy launched his and it plowed straight into the engine compartment of a Hind. The thing lost control and crashed. Lots of congratulatory celebrations happened and the advisor breathed a sigh of relief. From that point on there was a back and forth between the Muj and CIA advisors about how many Stingers they were allowed. Even back then the CIA was aware that the Muj might turn the weapons given to them on Americans in the future. Fortunately the old Stingers used a gas cooling cylinder that expired over time which is why you never saw any when we arrived recently.
@@StraightEdgeSieghart They technically were, against a hostile invading nation that frequently attacked their people like this. The only issue was that they never forsaw the anti-western factions coming on top in the following Civil War, who would strike outwards in terrorist attacks against the US and Europe.
@@openthinker6562 DRA asked for Soviet assistance against local jihadist warlords. The americans took it as an opportunity to force the Soviets to overspend by funding the Mujahideen(China, Pakistan and the rich Arab countries were also involved). The irresponsible funding of an extremist ideology led to the problems we have today, not just the US but the whole world is suffering from it.
@@StraightEdgeSieghart True. The main issue was that after the Soviet-Afghan war, Afghanistan had a civil war between a coalition of Arab groups against a single leader who wanted sole rule. Long story short, single dictator guy is winning, various extremist groups emerge in the chaos, a very specific anti-western one attacks the twin towers, the rest is history.
0:45 The Hind helicopters shown in some clips have jet exhaust baffles mounted that mixed outside air with the turbine exhaust before exposing it directly out the rear. This was an adaptation made after the Stinger began to cause problems, since before the heat signature of the engines was out exhaust ports on both sides of the helicopter, directly above the troop bay.
And then, 40 years later, one of these guy's kids blew me up with a 40 pound IED. Isn't the life cycle of the state department's interventionist conflicts grand?!
Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
You did not have any reason to go there.Blame your foolish politicians.They care less about you than that kid would have been if you were not in his country fighting him
Actually that film clip is an exaggeration. Most Mi24s didn't just explode when hit by a Stinger, most survived and carried on or limped home, to be repaired. This is Hollywood BS.
David Vazquez And that's rosfilm cremlin Bs coming from you right there,mi 24s were known for failure in Afghanistan temperature,just the heat itself could cause one of the motors to fail,which would cause the heli to go out of control and drop.limping home your ass.
Wow, the pilots dialogue in Russian sounded spot on. Rarely Hollywood movies get their Russian right. Usually it's with a heavy accent or just sounds unnatural. Good job!
@@alexsoklakov7454 Maybe at first, but they eventually drove the Soviets out of their country. Losing free control of the air seriously hurt the Soviet ability to provide close air support to their ground troops - a great equalizer versus the Mujahideen.
"Yes, I know my enemies They're the teachers who taught me to fight me Compromise, conformity Assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy Brutality, the elite" Love that song...
It's clear some of you missed the point of the movie. Law of unintended consequences. We armed the rebels against the soviets, rebels won. We left. They splintered and went nuts. Preventable, but as usual, we fucked up the end game. (re)See the film. Pay attention to Wilson's epilog.
zzman305 we are the only Nation in the world with whom you have a negative trade balance in service sector. maybe if you outsourced your invasions to Indians you would be more successful.
What set of sounds Non Soviet Russia like most: 1. Sound of falling skygrabbers, we call it sound of justice. 2. The sound of military equipment leaving this godforsaken land after 20 years of "friendship" with "freedom fighters".
The introduction of the Stinger missile in 1986 to the Afghan mujahideen had, and even Massoud admitted, an exaggerated effect. While Soviet aircraft were indeed shot down by this surface-to-air-missile, Red Air Force pilots were quick to learn the weaknesses of the Stinger. For example, the Stinger is ineffective against low-flying aircraft, and so Soviet helicopters flew low to the ground. Soviet airplanes and helicopters were soon equipped with flares which caused the majority of the Stinger missiles fired at them to miss their targets. If anything the Stinger missile was an effective psychological weapon. Even still, it remains a fact that the Soviets lost their fontline strike aircraft at a lower rate than the United States was in Vietnam.
@@ميمزكوميدي-غ9ي ,whaaaaat, U.S armed russia's enemies in every arab countries. Sold weapons to Qatar, Saudi, Algeria, bahrain,iran, iraq,Jordan,kuwait,Libiya,Morocco,UAE,..heck Saudi alone accounts 49% weapons import from U.S.
@@californiabrotherhood8114 China isn’t America, it doesn’t invade directly and doesn’t have a history of doing so. It does predatory economic deals like in Africa which is still better than being violently overthrown or invaded by USA.
Isis? Not really. They gained their weapons mainly from stealing them from the Iraqi army/SAA and some even claim the Saudis supplied them (Them being Sunni militians)
The stinger missile in real life was not the devastating weapon this movie would have you believe. The Soviets found it slightly irritating. It did not have some awesome kill rate and the Soviets figured out pretty quickly how to counter it.
Through Unconfirmed Reports it is said the first Operational use of FIM-92 to shoot down Aerial targets was not in Afghanistan but 5-6 Years earlier in 1982 in Falklands during the Falklands War where it was used by an Angry SAS commando to shoot down a low flying Pucara' Ground Attack planes of the Argentinian Air Force. Angry because the Handful "Yankee" Weapons supplied to the Elite SAS soldiers were put to use without proper training or Utility as the Sole SAS trainer who knew how to use them died in a Helicopter Crash and at that time the Sole Commando was watching his comrades strafed by the "Argentinian Flying Tank". So he picked up shouting and cursing the launcher as it unexpectedly homed in on the exhaust of the Pucara and Moments later "Poof". The Plane was damaged beyond repair and crash landed on the Argentinian Airfield killing both the Pilot and his WSO (Weapon System officer).
Yeah, largely true story. D Sqn SAS had a Stinger and some Pucaras popped up. I don’t think they were attacking anything though at that time, I think they’re airbase was being shelled so they got airborne. D Sqn had been put in near Darwin-Goose Green overnight to ‘hold’ the Argentines around there and stop them moving to SAN Carlos Water - where the British amphibious landings started on May 21st. They basically dug in and made a lot of noise, firing a lot of ammunition. They suffered no casualties (I’m not sure there was even any response). Anyway, by morning the HMS Ardent was shelling the airstrip at Goose Green, so two Pucaras took off. They flew close to D Sqn who, job done, were heading to the main landing area. Some SAS guys grabbed the stinger, they were brand new and no-one really knew how to use them, they pressed a few buttons and got it working, “How’s this work?” “What does this button do?” etc etc. It seemed to respond when they aimed at a Pucara and fired (I guess it must have been fairly similar to other missiles, some standardised NATO thing maybe). Missile hits Pucara, pilot ejects (not sure whether he survived or not?). They tried shooting down the second Pucara, but as they didn’t know how to use the thing they didn’t charge the reload enough, so the missile flew off then fizzled out and thumped into the ground and the second Pucara got away.
The USA not being as terrible as the Soviets may have something to do with that. But yeah I see your point. This scene is pretty silly now that I think about it
@@tomascernak6112 oh ok so since they built a few hospitals that changes all the massacres, looting, chemical weapons, rapes, and targeting of civilians that the Soviets did. Good one buddy
In a documentary, I saw that after Russian pilots knew of the Taliban's possession of stinger rockets they opted to fly low as they found out that stinger missiles can't be fired pointing down.
I knew a guy who was a jump master in the Middle East and he told me how we still have to deal with those homing missile launchers given to them by the CIA. There doesn't have to even be missiles in the launcher, all that they have to do is lock on to an aircraft and the aircraft is required to perform evasive maneuvers, which also caused entire missions to be delayed because of it.
Stinger launcher have a limited battery life, by the time the US invaded Afghanistan, none of them are operational. Zero US aircraft have been lost to the Stinger, only helicopters were downed by RPGs.
@@kamalsidhu7454 You could say all Talibans were Mujahideen but not all Mujahideen were Taliban since others formed various extremist groups including the Al Qaeda.
Hollywood movie : Enemies chopper get shot : explode and no one survive US chopper get shot : just a little damage and crashlanding without crew get killed
@@alexm566 kifah is another word for jihad btw. Kifah not also mean struggle, but its also mean fight, strong and hardworking , in other word mean jihad.
It’s all edgy virgins thinking they’re bad by jumping on the bandwagon and blaming us for the taliban. If the Soviets hadn’t gotten too big for their britches, it wouldn’t have happened. Typical America bashing. Remember that the next time a natural disaster happens and people start saying, “America, oh please help us 😭”
@@robtinker4906 Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
USA after 2021: Hey China did you hear how these guys disrespect Mao???? China: what!? Impossibru! The dragon marches to correct this wrong! USA: giggles in a corner and then wakes up sad knowing China is probably not that stupid
Especially after losing 20 000 young men there, and many, many more mutilated for life, , it was a very funny thing. Russian mothers are still laughing.
@@sooryan_1018 Why? Ukraine will forever be in debt to Nato and they know it. And they will also be paranoid of another Russian attack, which will make them keep close ties with the US.
I love how soviets are depicted as total evil manslaughters. I wonder how popular a movie will be today if US soldiers in Arghanistan were depicted same way....
I really don't want to write a whole essay about this, you can do your own research. But anyone who seriously thinks the war crimes of coalition forces (discounting the NA) comes even anywhere remotely close to the indiscrimate massacres of civilians, forced expulsion and ludicrous numbers of targeted rapes commited by the Soviets is either ignorant or a fool. The coalition isn't blameless, backing the NA and affiliated warlords has led to a lot of civilian suffering. But US and allied troops never committed atrocities on the scale the Soviets did.
Alexander Afghanistan civilian casualties in 10 years: around 750 000 Iraq War civilian casualties 2003-2007: up to 1 million Not comparable you say? Soviet actions in Afghanistan are civil compared to the war crimes committed by the American coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan. Take your own advice and do some research.
@@brotpros2306 Civilians casualties in Afghanistan were about 2 millions with over 3 millions refugees. Iraqi casualties were mostly due to sectarian war between shiites and sunnis, in particular Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq. Get your facts straight.
Clinton called and backed the rebels trying to overthrow Assad freedom fighters too, later became ISIS. I love the US and it's amendments but please stop doing that it's getting old and always backfires lol
And the US then allied with the northern alliance to fight the taliban. Last I heard we're fighting the northern alliance while negotiating with the taliban as part of a legitimate government. Who knows what side anyone is on over there?
FSA's made up from hundreds of groups, the ones U.S trained and later on pledge their loyalty to ISIS was the bad picked and even Turkish Intelligence did warned CIA about their radical ideas but still U.S involved them in the Arm and Train program. YPG would be the best example for this Mujahideen and Taliban thing. Right now YPG is freedom fighters just because they 'fight' against ISIS but now they are working together with Russia, it is matter of time that U.S will start calling them Terrorists.
The Mujahideen had not only Milans and Stingers. They had Italian TS-6 mines, Chinese Type 58 and Type 69 mines, Bulgarian HR-2 mines, Chinese HN-5 MANPADS.
Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
Yeah 15 years later they personally came down to the Pentagon to deliver their thanks and return gift!
hahahaha nice joke
I always find that hilarious.
@x_ Zeath To be frank I don't know much on the matter as much you do. However, from what you say I must ask how is it possible that with American aid the Mujhahids were able to drive off the mighty Soviet army but failed to eradicate internal state actors (Taliban). This is not possible unless considerable fraction of Mujhahid shifted to Taliban
died laughing
First glance I didn't even get the joke, because there's actual photos and videos of the mujahideen in the White House getting congratulations!
We armed the Mujahideen tribes that were all fighting against the Soviets. When they weren't fighting the Soviets, the tribes would sometimes fight each other. When the Soviets withdrew in 89 the entire country of Afghanistan had a civil war with every one of the tribes fighting each other for control of the country. That's how the Taliban came to power in 1992.
Finally, someone makes an accurate statement (as accurate as possible) and does not engage in speculation.
+capnhands The Taliban were also backed by Pakistan's ISI, who were working with the CIA throughout this war. They gave most of our weapons to a guy they liked named Galbudin Hekmatyar, who is currently a top member of Al-Qaeda. He made a favorable name for himself among Islamist extremists as a young man when he burned a woman's face off for trying to learn how to read. Pakistan lost control of the Taliban and they went rogue. They were simply too insane for anyone to control, even the Saudi Salafis.
To be fair, mostly crazy people would decide to fight the Soviets anyway.
The Taliban came into power in late '96, not '92. The Pakistanis rightfully backed them for the simple reason that they stabilized the region...instability in Afghanistan destabilized adjacent parts of Pakistan.
Also the whole war lord thing led to tribes being raided and war lords from Northern Alliance would take young boys for "bacha bazi" and make them dance, wear girl clothes and make-up then rape the boys.... Taliban outlawed bacha bazi so that helped them gain power... Also that Sharia fear helped.
Now we'll never get to know what the Soviet pilot thinks about monogamous relationships
what's your best guess? 🤔
@@alexm566 Goats are the best partners.
@@osamabinladen824 username checks out. general Aladdin must have given you plenty.
@@alexm566 Yes. Wanna try?
And THAT'S the real crime here.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...at least until our enemy is defeated and that friend once again becomes an enemy, who I've now supported and armed.
There is no permanent enemy or friend..... My freind its just a matter of time. And you armed him because you wanted russia to be apart and then attacked the same friendly country.......
The Taliban and mujahadeen are two different things though
@@zach7372 np they are same mujahedeen is a general name who fights against his enemy and talibAN is a group of mujahedeen but with the name taliban.
Sometimes terrorists become friends of U.S God damn murica lol
Sad really it was nice when we got along
And that kids, is the story how the taliban was born.
It's not that simple shithead. OBL's group was a small clique of the over all resistance. Not all of the mujaheddin were part of that.
donnsald trump Yeah it is that simple. Many of them may not have been part of the Taliban, but the power vaccum combined with having a shit ton of now heavily armed tribes after the Soviet's withdraw was the perfect setting for exremists to seize power.
Austin McMahon I've actually changed my opinion since I wrote that. The whole thing was fucked the second soviet troops arrived. They destroyed a lot of afghanistan's infrastructure and didn't give much of the local government to work with after they left. They practically set the country back by several decades.
Not really..but yeah of course,lot of former ''Mujahideen'' entered to the Taliban, but who really pushed the creation of the group were Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.All with the false indifference of the American government (the same crap with Al Qaeda)
Now we are the Russians
30 years later, they arrived at Kabul themselves to personally wish the Americans goodbye forever. Well done.
Watching as Kabul falls and Afghanistan turns to chaos
@@Thatswildpimp yes.
40*
Al-Quaeda and the Mujahadeen are not the same thing
@@cardboardbox9119 The mujahedeen were a mix of them all, you had future Al-Quaeda leaders and followers, you had future Taliban leaders and followers and you had people like Ahmad Shah Massoud who was another warlord, they were just a mix of all, the thing they all had in commen was liberating their country from the soviets
This looks so comical 😂😂. The Afghan fighters look like taken out of a Adam Sandler movie 😂😂😂
So what? They might have looked like that back in the 80's. That thing with the missle launcher still happened though. Many times.
This scene really brings down the film. So cheaply done.
even funnier is that borat was the one firing that last missile.
That funny afghan fighter, has probably been at war longer then you've been alive.
@@Jkimmelblackface I thought he was an actor, didn't know he was the mujahideen from Afghan war recruited for a Hollywood movie 😂😂😂
Who’s watching as the Taliban take over Afghanistan again?
I´m here before the shitfest begins
I was recommended by the great algorithm.
Who is next China…
Paul Barclay You make a good point, but a Chinese invasion and occupation of Afghanistan would probably be as costly as every foreign incursion beforehand. If this holds true the Chinese might leave anyway regardless of how brutal their methods may be.
Just hours ago today 12 US soldiers killed in a bomb blast,
That pilot bitching about relationships actually survived the crash. Decades later he ended up going into space with Howard Wolowitz.
Many astronauts are former pilots.
Yeah dimitri
Damn must’ve been extremely lucky to survive that. Looked like one hell of a crasg
@@trekkienzl2862 I can't tell if you understand the joke or not
@@superbeavers7645 I was just stating a fact that many astronauts are former military pilots but yes I did get the TBBT joke.
Afghanistan 1980
Soviet:stop send them stinger or anti air rocket
USA:stop me if you can
Afghanistan 2001
USA:where they get this ATGM?
RUSSIAN:now you know what i mean
Anti tank rifles? It’s not WW2 lmao. I think you mean Anti Tank guided missiles (ATGM).
@@richiecuzzz1 ok, thank's for Inform me
@@richiecuzzz1 Not necessarilly. The SPG9 is classified as a "recoilless rifle", much like the Carl Gustav, a.k.a. M3 MAAWS.
Anti tank rifles? Wtf?
@@CraigMitchell44 But it's not.
I remember reading about the actual first shoot down. There were two guys and a US advisor. They saw a 3 heli squadron. The first guy got his tone and fired. The missile was a dud and only launched about 50ft in front of them then landed on the ground. He turned around and gave the advisor a disappointed "wtf" look. The advisor was freaking out that they Mujahedeen were going to lose confidence in the systems right away. The second guy launched his and it plowed straight into the engine compartment of a Hind. The thing lost control and crashed. Lots of congratulatory celebrations happened and the advisor breathed a sigh of relief. From that point on there was a back and forth between the Muj and CIA advisors about how many Stingers they were allowed. Even back then the CIA was aware that the Muj might turn the weapons given to them on Americans in the future. Fortunately the old Stingers used a gas cooling cylinder that expired over time which is why you never saw any when we arrived recently.
Talibanes:*no hay pedo,compraremos los cilindros en china 😅😅
back in the 80s no one imagined this would totally backfire some years later.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
I mean the Reagan administration labeled them as freedom fighters lol.
@@StraightEdgeSieghart They technically were, against a hostile invading nation that frequently attacked their people like this.
The only issue was that they never forsaw the anti-western factions coming on top in the following Civil War, who would strike outwards in terrorist attacks against the US and Europe.
@@openthinker6562 DRA asked for Soviet assistance against local jihadist warlords. The americans took it as an opportunity to force the Soviets to overspend by funding the Mujahideen(China, Pakistan and the rich Arab countries were also involved). The irresponsible funding of an extremist ideology led to the problems we have today, not just the US but the whole world is suffering from it.
@@StraightEdgeSieghart True. The main issue was that after the Soviet-Afghan war, Afghanistan had a civil war between a coalition of Arab groups against a single leader who wanted sole rule. Long story short, single dictator guy is winning, various extremist groups emerge in the chaos, a very specific anti-western one attacks the twin towers, the rest is history.
Next round...
Admin: Igla/Stinger = Insta Ban
Bf4 good ol days
Why admins doesn't like guided rocket?
@@constantiniasmith4231 They want to go 105-0 in their jet or heli
One of the best bits of the movie. Imagine being a peasant and discovering heat seeking missiles.
Imagine being used as pawns by a country that hates you.
and using it on NATO soldiers after they trained you
like us traveling to the moon
@@wustenfuchs3285 Based af
0:45 The Hind helicopters shown in some clips have jet exhaust baffles mounted that mixed outside air with the turbine exhaust before exposing it directly out the rear. This was an adaptation made after the Stinger began to cause problems, since before the heat signature of the engines was out exhaust ports on both sides of the helicopter, directly above the troop bay.
And then, 40 years later, one of these guy's kids blew me up with a 40 pound IED. Isn't the life cycle of the state department's interventionist conflicts grand?!
Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
@@gridfilm9551 the Taliban were former refugees of the war who were trained and educated in Pakistan and came to Afghanistan in the 90s
story? how are you doing now?
You did not have any reason to go there.Blame your foolish politicians.They care less about you than that kid would have been if you were not in his country fighting him
@@suspicioususer And Americans trained and equipped them to deliver freedom to the Soviets.
Mi-24s are so badass
Alica Ljungberg stinger/igle launchers are much more badass >,
+Alica Ljungberg The Mudjahadeen themselves nicknamed it "The Devil's Chariot".
+Paul Thomas I thought that was what Reagan called it.
Actually that film clip is an exaggeration. Most Mi24s didn't just explode when hit by a Stinger, most survived and carried on or limped home, to be repaired. This is Hollywood BS.
David Vazquez
And that's rosfilm cremlin Bs coming from you right there,mi 24s were known for failure in Afghanistan temperature,just the heat itself could cause one of the motors to fail,which would cause the heli to go out of control and drop.limping home your ass.
Wow, the pilots dialogue in Russian sounded spot on. Rarely Hollywood movies get their Russian right. Usually it's with a heavy accent or just sounds unnatural. Good job!
They hired native speakers I assume.
You know if Tom Hanks was good in The Terminal?
The actor that play the Hind pilot is russian
Only the first guy says "28 44", and the subtitles show "20 24". But yeah, it's awesome to hear actual Russian from Russian characters in a movie.
The actors Pashto and Dari isn't amazing but it's a good try
1:40 I can just imagine the guy in the white going home to his parents like
"Mom, Dad, I saved the village today!"
He didn't. After such thing Soviet army usually launched ground operation and didn't end it till all mudjaheds are dead.
@@alexsoklakov7454 Maybe at first, but they eventually drove the Soviets out of their country. Losing free control of the air seriously hurt the Soviet ability to provide close air support to their ground troops - a great equalizer versus the Mujahideen.
@Abu Troll al cockroachistan Still ten times less then USA lost in Nam. Reason of withdrawal was economic recession, not losses.
@@alexsoklakov7454 hhahaha accept that the russian beat by villagers with weapons.
@@alexsoklakov7454 the russians were not told that they were fighting a war in afghanistan until the mid 1980s when gorbatshov seized power.
I love how helicopters lose all momentum when hit
Me too, it was like, something isn't right but it hasn't clicked as of yet.
I also love how the pilots just completely ignore the missile warning, drop no flares and make no evasive maneuvers whatsoever
@@AngelthewolfRussian tech
@@Angelthewolfthey were too busy having a conversation
"Yes, I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity
Assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy
Brutality, the elite"
Love that song...
All of these are American dreams
1981: "Let's teach the Afghans to make and use IEDs against Soviet armor!"
2005: "Why did we do that? WTF are we doing in this God forsaken country?"
And 2021 the U.S retreats like the Russians...
@@californiabrotherhood8114 and the British before them...
@@DanTheMailman330 I mean to be fair the british did beat the afghanis
@@craizymartis5356 that's very debatable
@@DanTheMailman330 I mean they managed to put a king that supports them in power so i count that as a victory
It's clear some of you missed the point of the movie. Law of unintended consequences. We armed the rebels against the soviets, rebels won. We left. They splintered and went nuts. Preventable, but as usual, we fucked up the end game. (re)See the film. Pay attention to Wilson's epilog.
zzman305
we are the only Nation in the world with whom you have a negative trade balance in service sector. maybe if you outsourced your invasions to Indians you would be more successful.
It's clear you're purposefully ignoring the Soviets' responsibility for creating the mess in Afghanistan in the first place.
meteor901 these are not rebbels . #u fool#.these were freedom fighters jihadist . American policies made them rebble . Do not ask them again a rebel
+Ahmad Abbas Raja How exactly did American policies make them rebel? The Soviets invaded Afghanistan, not the United States.
icemachine79 why american invaded afghanistn?coz they lost there trade centre by attacking there people themselve.
Three set of sounds Soviet Russia fear most:
1. Forest speaking Finnish
2. Afghani mountains shouting Pashtun
3. Door knocking at night by Beria
What set of sounds Non Soviet Russia like most:
1. Sound of falling skygrabbers, we call it sound of justice.
2. The sound of military equipment leaving this godforsaken land after 20 years of "friendship" with "freedom fighters".
He is called potatoe man but he has no potatoe
One sound the 'mericans fear are trees speaking vietnamese.
@@seshadevjena5302 what about Indians
@@MatureMajorRonanShaju Indians have never invaded any other land outside their territory
The introduction of the Stinger missile in 1986 to the Afghan mujahideen had, and even Massoud admitted, an exaggerated effect. While Soviet aircraft were indeed shot down by this surface-to-air-missile, Red Air Force pilots were quick to learn the weaknesses of the Stinger. For example, the Stinger is ineffective against low-flying aircraft, and so Soviet helicopters flew low to the ground. Soviet airplanes and helicopters were soon equipped with flares which caused the majority of the Stinger missiles fired at them to miss their targets. If anything the Stinger missile was an effective psychological weapon. Even still, it remains a fact that the Soviets lost their fontline strike aircraft at a lower rate than the United States was in Vietnam.
Michael Ojeda A
Very true
Low flying made them vulnerable to AA fire.
Really? I genuinely didn't know this? How where the Vietkong shooting down strike aircraft. Igla's I presume?
Forcing the helicopters to fly low is the objective of using MANPAD, you take out the advantage of a high flying gun platform
While everyone else is on a pro- or anti-American or pro/anti-Russian rage, am I the only one wondering what that song is?
Haiendel he shall purity
+Arne Timmer Georg Friedrich Händel - "He shall Purify" from his oratorio "The Messiah".
thanks glad i could help
+GiladPellaeon Thanks, I was wondering that very thing
+Arne Timmer Darude - Sandstorm
U.S sells weapons to every God foresaken middle eastern countries, and later fight with them....🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Us didn't sell weapons to middle east
Russia sold many weapons to Egypt in 20 century and others countries but right now no weapons can reach to palastines
@@ميمزكوميدي-غ9ي ,whaaaaat, U.S armed russia's enemies in every arab countries. Sold weapons to Qatar, Saudi, Algeria, bahrain,iran, iraq,Jordan,kuwait,Libiya,Morocco,UAE,..heck Saudi alone accounts 49% weapons import from U.S.
Malayali🤔
@@albi6643 , pinnallathe..😀
U see the algorithm has a sick sense of humor
I miss this.
I love the reaction when they successfully shot the Heli down 😂
Same in Ukraine...USA always brings war to others land....
It works it works it works it works!
He said: 'You shot him! By God you shot him!'
It's like magic
It's like the idiots funded in Syria and Ukraine. Got whooped
The algorithm has a funny sense of humor.
In 🇺🇸, you say "Black Hawk Down."
In Soviet 🇷🇺, we say "Potato Down."
Noooooo *our* potatooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love from to India to Soviet Comrade 🇮🇳
I thought it was "Down Potato you!" LOL
ir murica, you say "twin towers down", bring the spongebob tool to peel the meat off the floor
and in the North Pole you say "Red Sleigh Down".
Now these “freedom fighters” have:
22174 HUMVEES
8000 trucks
16000 night vision goggles
3,50,000 assault rifles
1,20,000 pistols
176 artillery pieces
64,000 machine guns
33 MI-17 helicopters
33 UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter
43 MD530 helicopter
4 C-130 transport aircraft
23 embraer emb super tucano
28 Cessna 208
10 Cessna AC-208
Ye America ka gift hai
Taliban ko
And phalank ciws
We left them ready for when China tries to invade them.
@@californiabrotherhood8114 lol
@@californiabrotherhood8114 China isn’t America, it doesn’t invade directly and doesn’t have a history of doing so. It does predatory economic deals like in Africa which is still better than being violently overthrown or invaded by USA.
The cgi with the helicopters firing at the town is super bad
They dont have a reference so how coukd they make it good?
k3kboi 66 it the producers of this damn film can get Tom Hanks, I’m pretty sure they can add some ‘good’ cgi
@@charliegreer4507 in my comment there was a hidden point.
Wartime Productions yeah they had Tom hanks so they must ha r had money for real helicopters
The hole movie is super bad
Congratulations UNCLE Sam 🤣
So that's how they armed Taliban and ISIS for their interest and business.
Talibani Spotted
@@WillyWonka.- r u stupid or what? Clearly he is not Taliban supporter, and he is %100 right
Isis? Not really. They gained their weapons mainly from stealing them from the Iraqi army/SAA and some even claim the Saudis supplied them (Them being Sunni militians)
You took weapons from America yourself. Sure the Americans are bad but you were a part of it too.
This will surely not bite us in the back anytime soon
Who would have thought that they would learn to fly airplanes in 20 years?
Man, this "hits" (ouch) differently today. For several reasons.
History repeats itself
Yep
It doesn't, but it rhymes.
Dying to see the sequel to this little gem
A movie that explores the aftermath of supporting the Mujahideen? I can't wait for that to be shown on the big screen.
Agreed oh wait it won't cus when you fight America you are no longer "Freedom fighter" you are instead "terrorists"
Ukraine ver
I remember hearing about a Mujahedeen who said “we only need two things to win, our Quran and more stingers”
They were still mujahadeen at that time
@@Prometheus7272 thanks for reminding me
@@therightway1413 Wow a respectful person on youtube. I must be hallucinating :D
You should add civilian planes ramming into buildings , trained by the Americans themselves.
Send them to Ukraine problems with Russians solved.
The stinger missile in real life was not the devastating weapon this movie would have you believe. The Soviets found it slightly irritating. It did not have some awesome kill rate and the Soviets figured out pretty quickly how to counter it.
Through Unconfirmed Reports it is said the first Operational use of FIM-92 to shoot down Aerial targets was not in Afghanistan but 5-6 Years earlier in 1982 in Falklands during the Falklands War where it was used by an Angry SAS commando to shoot down a low flying Pucara' Ground Attack planes of the Argentinian Air Force. Angry because the Handful "Yankee" Weapons supplied to the Elite SAS soldiers were put to use without proper training or Utility as the Sole SAS trainer who knew how to use them died in a Helicopter Crash and at that time the Sole Commando was watching his comrades strafed by the "Argentinian Flying Tank". So he picked up shouting and cursing the launcher as it unexpectedly homed in on the exhaust of the Pucara and Moments later "Poof". The Plane was damaged beyond repair and crash landed on the Argentinian Airfield killing both the Pilot and his WSO (Weapon System officer).
Yeah, largely true story. D Sqn SAS had a Stinger and some Pucaras popped up. I don’t think they were attacking anything though at that time, I think they’re airbase was being shelled so they got airborne.
D Sqn had been put in near Darwin-Goose Green overnight to ‘hold’ the Argentines around there and stop them moving to SAN Carlos Water - where the British amphibious landings started on May 21st. They basically dug in and made a lot of noise, firing a lot of ammunition. They suffered no casualties (I’m not sure there was even any response).
Anyway, by morning the HMS Ardent was shelling the airstrip at Goose Green, so two Pucaras took off. They flew close to D Sqn who, job done, were heading to the main landing area.
Some SAS guys grabbed the stinger, they were brand new and no-one really knew how to use them, they pressed a few buttons and got it working, “How’s this work?” “What does this button do?” etc etc. It seemed to respond when they aimed at a Pucara and fired (I guess it must have been fairly similar to other missiles, some standardised NATO thing maybe).
Missile hits Pucara, pilot ejects (not sure whether he survived or not?).
They tried shooting down the second Pucara, but as they didn’t know how to use the thing they didn’t charge the reload enough, so the missile flew off then fizzled out and thumped into the ground and the second Pucara got away.
Your think g of the blowpipe
Is not unconfirmed it did happen
war, war never changes.
Just got recommended to this video days after the news on Afghanistan.
I'd like to see a scene with upbeat music as they down a U.S. chopper. See how we all feel about that.
The USA not being as terrible as the Soviets may have something to do with that. But yeah I see your point. This scene is pretty silly now that I think about it
Pretty much the same I guess, for the rest of the world at least.
@@JDP2104 Yeah, they were worse. Soviets at least built hospitals, trains, roads etc... Americans were content with just killings.
@@tomascernak6112 oh ok so since they built a few hospitals that changes all the massacres, looting, chemical weapons, rapes, and targeting of civilians that the Soviets did. Good one buddy
@@JDP2104 Unfortunately, because pigs on youtube are censoring my answer, I can answer you only - you are mistaken. Deeply mistaken.
And this is how you mess up the whole region kids, for decades to come.
The Soviets were by far the most responsible for destroying the country.
And americans still didn’t learnt the lesson from Russians 😭😂
In a documentary, I saw that after Russian pilots knew of the Taliban's possession of stinger rockets they opted to fly low as they found out that stinger missiles can't be fired pointing down.
hot sands obsly. however you cant attack properly that way.
@@kuzakani4297 True they did that primarily to avoid stinger attacks.
They did flew they missiles low until they installed flares.
The guy with the Stinger missile is the Jewish guy from "Zohan"...
Gray Fox [ROU] What? Lol. Which one! There happens to be a lot of Jews in Israel you know?
His short friend from New York :)))
Grey Hururelly hwas ju
Sony guts
Electronic store...is a dream killer!
This could not be more relevant to today’s Afghan situation,what comes around,Eh?
Seriously, I feel like this comment section is gonna go down hard
I knew a guy who was a jump master in the Middle East and he told me how we still have to deal with those homing missile launchers given to them by the CIA. There doesn't have to even be missiles in the launcher, all that they have to do is lock on to an aircraft and the aircraft is required to perform evasive maneuvers, which also caused entire missions to be delayed because of it.
So many years later the US is facing the biggest back loop ever lol
And now they use that shit against us.
Thats called taste of your own medicine
@@rambo7890 Dr. Trax right?
mrsirben Will i dont remember the Taliban shooting down US helicopters with stingers
Stinger launcher have a limited battery life, by the time the US invaded Afghanistan, none of them are operational. Zero US aircraft have been lost to the Stinger, only helicopters were downed by RPGs.
Good.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” But for how long? 😢
There's a difference between taliban and mujahideen
@@kamalsidhu7454 You could say all Talibans were Mujahideen but not all Mujahideen were Taliban since others formed various extremist groups including the Al Qaeda.
@@StraightEdgeSieghartmake sense 👍
Hollywood movie :
Enemies chopper get shot : explode and no one survive
US chopper get shot : just a little damage and crashlanding without crew get killed
We need a Charlie Wilson in 2022.
I guess the Ukrainian conflict brought you here too? Wow!
@@joethekinghawk7514 me too
@@antonnurwald5700 Welcome to the party Anton. 👍👍👍
ukraine-russian conflict R ference
Now Mr. Zelensky has his own gifts to kill some Russians
TH-cam algorithm has a weird sense of humor.
There's nothing like expecting a cake walk and getting a struggle for survival.
yeah lmao happens everytime an american hops in a stryker only to get vaporized by some fertilizer in a barrel.
What struggle? they died immediately (unless you mean the war itself)
"Struggle" in arab language mean "Jihad".
@@pahlawanpahlawan7682 Struggle means Kifah, not Jihad.
@@alexm566 kifah is another word for jihad btw. Kifah not also mean struggle, but its also mean fight, strong and hardworking , in other word mean jihad.
US gave them some Stingers, they gave US the fallen of twin tower :)
True love story.
US deserved that and much more.
Hari Singh Nalwa how?
@FjjBut still you are loser
It was the CIA not the taliban.
10 years later, US went there to fight them with their own guns 😂
99% of comments, comments on how taliban was born
1% of comments, comments about the actual movie
That's the purpose of the movie
It's a great movie.
It’s all edgy virgins thinking they’re bad by jumping on the bandwagon and blaming us for the taliban. If the Soviets hadn’t gotten too big for their britches, it wouldn’t have happened. Typical America bashing.
Remember that the next time a natural disaster happens and people start saying, “America, oh please help us 😭”
I just wanna know the damn song.
@@robtinker4906 Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
USA after 2021: Hey China did you hear how these guys disrespect Mao????
China: what!? Impossibru! The dragon marches to correct this wrong!
USA: giggles in a corner and then wakes up sad knowing China is probably not that stupid
Impossibru is for japanese 🗿
Afghans: Waking up for their first day of 'school'.
Chinese giving a crap about Mao and saying impossibiru lmao
- 9999999 social credit score
Frankly speaking this is how the US hit itself in the foot
they tend to do that A LOT.
this seems to be working out well, I see no possible bad outcome here
We'll see.
Great idea giving your future enemies stingers
TH-cam knows what it’s doing
wHy yOuTUbE recomMEndED tHis tO mE???
They were called as The Holy Warriors / Freedom Fighter / Good Guys when these Taliban were fighting against Soviets, Western Hypocrisy in Nutshell.
Чарли Уилсон тоже фанатик, с красными коммунистами всю жизнь воевал.
And look where we are now in August 2021.
Great book. Really gives you a great idea of how the government actually works
US : gives stingers to Taliban to counter the Russians in the air
Russia : gives Taliban some RPG`s to counter Americans on the ground
Taliban :
This video perfectly describes the feeling you have while playing Battlefield 2042.
Mmm no.
If I've learned anything from Syria, there's not nearly enough "Allahu Akbar" for this to be legit...
Throw a few Inshallas in there for good measure.
@Bart Dr Mehmet is a turkish name. You should have said something like mohammed bin jahar
LoL now I bet those Soviet veterans are laughing so hard all day long
Especially after losing 20 000 young men there, and many, many more mutilated for life, , it was a very funny thing. Russian mothers are still laughing.
0:06 How most of the world feels about Russia in Ukraine.
You misspelled the western world and its allies
I wont be surprised if in 20 years this comes back to hit in reverse
The west is only a fraction of the world's population.
@@sooryan_1018 Why? Ukraine will forever be in debt to Nato and they know it. And they will also be paranoid of another Russian attack, which will make them keep close ties with the US.
Half*
When I first watched this scene, my first thought was... Who was the American chucklehead that proclaimed September 11, 2001 as the "death of irony"?
The Americans have repeated history again but its not the first time.
i like your comments just not to annoy you i reccomend the most how about you change your name and dp to kim il sungs he is better and true leader
I'm so happy to see clip like this...
Kinda cheering up weekend...
Funny how the start is today accurate
It's this a real event
Hits differently today
I love how soviets are depicted as total evil manslaughters. I wonder how popular a movie will be today if US soldiers in Arghanistan were depicted same way....
I really don't want to write a whole essay about this, you can do your own research. But anyone who seriously thinks the war crimes of coalition forces (discounting the NA) comes even anywhere remotely close to the indiscrimate massacres of civilians, forced expulsion and ludicrous numbers of targeted rapes commited by the Soviets is either ignorant or a fool.
The coalition isn't blameless, backing the NA and affiliated warlords has led to a lot of civilian suffering. But US and allied troops never committed atrocities on the scale the Soviets did.
Alexander Afghanistan civilian casualties in 10 years: around 750 000
Iraq War civilian casualties 2003-2007: up to 1 million
Not comparable you say? Soviet actions in Afghanistan are civil compared to the war crimes committed by the American coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan. Take your own advice and do some research.
@@Alexander-tu3iv the invasions and rampant killing of populations since 2001 By US and NATO are being termed as a holocaust of Muslims
@@brotpros2306 Civilians casualties in Afghanistan were about 2 millions with over 3 millions refugees. Iraqi casualties were mostly due to sectarian war between shiites and sunnis, in particular Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq. Get your facts straight.
1:30 trying to target cops helicoptors in GTA SAN ANDREAS
Fax
I've performed Handel's Messiah a lot, but I'd never have imagined it going so hard paired with this imagery
that’s proper russian language and good acting. a rarity in an american movie.
Haha, all these weapons were eventually given to al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or the Northern Alliance at some point.
Clinton called and backed the rebels trying to overthrow Assad freedom fighters too, later became ISIS. I love the US and it's amendments but please stop doing that it's getting old and always backfires lol
And the US then allied with the northern alliance to fight the taliban. Last I heard we're fighting the northern alliance while negotiating with the taliban as part of a legitimate government. Who knows what side anyone is on over there?
FSA's made up from hundreds of groups, the ones U.S trained and later on pledge their loyalty to ISIS was the bad picked and even Turkish Intelligence did warned CIA about their radical ideas but still U.S involved them in the Arm and Train program.
YPG would be the best example for this Mujahideen and Taliban thing. Right now YPG is freedom fighters just because they 'fight' against ISIS but now they are working together with Russia, it is matter of time that U.S will start calling them Terrorists.
@@atomic_toaster420 Pakistan makes a copy of Stinger called Anza Mk 2. That's widely in use by Taliban.
@@atomic_toaster420 I didn’t blame US on that regard. But yeah, it’s hilarious even after this they gave $78 million as Aid to them
Give weapons back then. Now give up 😂😂😂
And that son, is how the Crash map on COD exist.
And now the game is over
Technology failed
Faith won
funny thing american repeat its story in nams (vietnam)
He says under a TH-cam video showing how American technology helped the Mujahideens...
@@theanglo-lithuanian1768 but reality how Taliban use western tech to defeat
The Western 🤣
My Dad bought his first bicycle from Charlie Wilson in Trinity. Texas!
Second hand? cause Charlie was not a bike seller.
@@deviouspirate1374 They were kids and he sold his bicycle to my Dad! Do you know Charlie Wilson?
This must be where Kojima got the idea for MGS V
Stinger missile has already around on metal gear on ps1.
It was in mgsv named as "honey bee"
Well it’s good to know that they never used those weapons for anything else ever!
Its a shame america never found the chemical weapons they gave them.
@@pxa3236wrong country lmao
The Mujahideen had not only Milans and Stingers. They had Italian TS-6 mines, Chinese Type 58 and Type 69 mines, Bulgarian HR-2 mines, Chinese HN-5 MANPADS.
Ohhh how this backfired on us.
Clinton called and backed the rebels trying to overthrow Assad too, later became ISIS. those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Did the Taliban fly to Afghanistan from the moon in 1992? Until 1992, the future Taliban all fought with the Soviets as part of the Mujahideen armed groups. There they gained combat experience, and then created an independent movement. Therefore, all the stories that the Taliban have no relation to the Mujahideen are complete lies. Just a large number of American residents and especially those whose fathers and children died in Afghanistan it is very difficult to understand that their relatives were killed by those who were taught to shoot by American instructors. Unfortunately, this is a fact that cannot be refuted.
2:46 Oh hey, I thought Che was dead
"Everything is fair in love & war".
This Helicopter pilot is serious neither in love (relationship) nor in war....
You know its fake when they don't yelling allahu akbar when the missile hit the target.
I hear they are filming a sequel called "Yuri Makarov's War" set in the 2010s...
Apparently the guy commanding the rocket is Chris Pine in outlaw King.
Really?😂😂