Apparently the jockey who she collided with, Herbert Jones, attended her funeral.... he also said 'I could never get the look of that poor woman's face out of my mind' Sadly, he took his own life in 1951
And the reason that he (Jones)took his own life had NOTHING to do with what he witnessed. And he did NOT attend E Davison's Funeral. He was involved in a collision with Emily Davison, the suffragette, who was fatally injured. Jones suffered significant injuries himself, including a mild concussion. Fifteen years after the death of Emily Davison, Herbert Jones laid a wreath at the funeral of Emmeline Pankhurst in honour of her and Emily Davisonson's Funeral. The facts are :------ Jones retired from riding in 1923. In 1951, soon after his wife's death and his onset of depression, he was discovered to have committed suicide after his son found him in a gas-filled kitchen.
In my opinion, I feel like she didn't purposely want to get hit. i feel like she wanted to wrap the scarf around the horse. i also think that she knew the risks of her getting hurt, and that is why she had sewn the Suffragette flag inside her coat (i researched this at school). , just in case she did die then they would know why she did what she had done. i also researched some other things, and I found out that she had things such as a return ticket in her coat. this shows that she might not have wanted to get hit, and that she was actually going to go back (home?). I'm not sure if that all makes sense, so basically. In conclusion, i feel that she did not want to get hit by purpose, but she knew the risks, so she did some precautions if she did. (I am still a young student, so please do not give me hate. I just wanted to share what I found out. Thank you :D)
+Bibble Me Butera Probably not. A return ticket was the only type available at Victoria station, and she'd previously attempted to kill herself by jumping thirty feet down an iron staircase: she survived because she was caught in some netting, although she injured her back. This much is available from a quick skim through on-line sources, no actual 'research' is needed
Bibble Me Butera It's a great topic for 'research'. I'm more a suffragist than a suffragette but, as a man, I can only say that (considering contemporary social norms) I'd have been 'won over' (if only emotionally) by Emily's sacrifice. What a strong and courageous example of femininity she was.
+Bibble Me Butera I watched Suffragette movie, with Carey Mulligan. In the film she tried to get into paddock first, to protest in front of cameras. but policeman blocked them. So she decided to do this. It wasn't initial plan. So maybe explains why she had ticket.
stunning footage...it haunts me that this legendary historical event has even been captured on camera more than a 100 years ago. Now, seeing everything so clear compared to the original film is absolutely surreal. lt's still controversial if this was a suicide. Her return railway ticket to London, a ticket for a suffragette dance later that day and plans with her sister in the following week all suggest against her potential suicide attempt. Some historians also suggested she was seen with other suffragettes practising horse grabbing at the park near her mother's house and they then drew lots about which one of them would go to the Derby. l would agree that her determined stance in front of the horse also suggests that she was about to attach that scarf or something to a horse's bridle rather than kill herself. On the other hand, in her essay ''The Price of Liberty'' and her other writings she indeed praised martyrdom and the cost of the ultimate sacrifice of a militant warrior, a ''true Amazon'' for her cause. But still, as a passionate christian she knew that committing a suicide would have prevented her to be buried on a consecrated ground. So l believe her death might have been an accident from misjudging the angle and speed of a horse.
I was learning about this in my history lesson today and we looked at all the evidence and apparently she had the suffragette badge sewn on the inside of her coat why would she have that if she didn't intend to kill herself but then again in her purse she had a return ticket for the train so maybe she hadn't of intended to but this video says she had a scarf in her hand and to put the scarf around the horse which is actually understandable but I don't think anyone will ever know the real truth about Emily Davidson but she done all of this for us the woman and even was prepared to loose her life so we could get our vote what an inspirational woman 👼🏼❤️
Alice Mitchell I believe her actions did not affect the voting since voting was rewarded to women after there service for helping the soldiers in the war
Well only partly. They were only given a partial vote in 1918, but had actually ended their militant campaign in 1914. They suspended operations in order to support the war effort and were "rewarded" with a partial vote four years later. It was actually partly due to a decline in anti-suffrage feeling during the war years, while the WSPU had ceased their campaign and also partly for fear of more militant campaigns starting up if they didn't give more women the vote. Only women over 30 who owned property or rented property with a rent over £5 (a lot of money back then), or were graduates of British universities were given the vote, so this still excluded the vast majority of women and it wasn't until 1928 that women got the full universal vote in the UK.
40% of men didn't have the vote in 1914 either, when a million and a half battle hardened, disenfranchised men returned from the war, having witnessed eight hundred and ninety thousand of their brothers cut down, they got the impression of democracy, the vote.
I believe that Davison was indeed trying to attach the scarf to the Kings horse and had no intention of suicide however she misjudged the distance and at what time to pounce because of this she was killed. I do believe however that the King had time to direction the horse away from Davison but perhaps he was not paying any attention.
The jockey of the kings horse wouldn't have been able to get out of the way even if he had seen her, which i doubt he did. Flat racehorses travel at speeds of up to over 40mph, and they are big animals, it would have been very difficult to pull up or swerve an animal that big and going that fast in just 4 seconds, as the video said. Also, the horse did try and jump over her, so it shows that the horse did try and avoid colliding with her.
In my opinion the point they're trying to make in this video is wrong. It's not about her wanting to commit suicide or not, and it's not even about misjudging the distance between herself and the King's horse. It's just that she had probably decided to accept the risk that, in order to put the scarf on the horse, she might have killed herself. In other words, I think she accepted the idea that she might have immolated herself and sacrificed her life for a cause. Infact, any person would be able to foresee that the risk of dying, when facing the King's horse, had to be extremely high. There's a fundamental difference between "commiting suicide" and "immolating yourself for a cause", and unfortunately this video doesn't emphasize this difference at all.
Very well written: the distinction is excellently drawn by your good-self. I, for one, hadn't even thought about the video in that way; thanks for pointing to it.
Thank you! You are the voice of reason & sanity. Many "commenters", apparently didn't listen to the entire video, nor know ANY suffragette history...................but, this is the case in the 21st century.
Gioveolympys - Thank you for your very lucid point about Emily, the reason I'm replying is that, with full respect of course, I don't think I agree with it. I don't think it's right to assume that because something (here, an extremely high risk of death) is an apparently obvious consequence of an act a person chooses to carry out, that the person involved actually did foresee it. I hope that makes sense (!) I think there are three EQUALLY strong possibilities about Emily's state of mind that day. 1) It was indeed a suicide she thought would further the suffragette cause. 2) She knowingly took the very great risk of death from the powerful horse when trying is some way to attach a suffragette sash or flag to the horse. 3) She took a risk, but catastrophically underestimated how great it was, simply failing to know or find out about the speed and power of a horse running in the Derby. In other words, she thought there was indeed a risk that she would be hurt or injured or even killed, but mistakenly thought that the risk was small because she would be able to stop the horse. I think one of the above must be true, which one actually is true will, so long afterwards, surely forever remain a mystery, unless some sort of persuasive document (a letter or diary entry from her or a friend before the act saying what she was going to do and why, for instance) dramatically emerges. For what (little) it's worth, my hunch is that number 3) above is the truth of it. One more point - given how little time she had between coming out and being hit, I can't see how she could have deliberately 'targeted' the King's horse - the film shows it was running nearly last, and because of where Emily was on that bend she was unsighted for most of those seconds. I think she just picked a horse which happened to be the King's. But then again, what do I know ?
"a very fine scarf and it's silk". So a Clark of the Course just "picked it up and put it in his pocket", and kept it and it was passed down to his daughter. So if he made no attempt to return it to the rightful owner, in other words he stole it !
@@hinarashid9103 Why would Davidson's family not have "preserved [the] artifact" had it been returned to them? Why did the Clerk of the Course have to steal it?
At this distance in time, people have forgotten that the suffragettes generally were seen as mad or bad, and not just by the people in power. Picking up the scarf may have been an attempt to hide a ‘shameful’ piece of evidence and spare her family - better for a fatally-injured respectably dressed lady to be thought of as a poor suicide than a mad anarchist?
@@georgiabiddle4983 Well the jockey never got over it and killed himself years later, after being driven mad by the guilt he felt. Not his fault at all, but he wasn't really okay - only physically.
Im learning about this and i know she didn't die there but its still scary i feel weird watching it happen over and over again just to see it better >.< but i think she was wonderful person and she's very inspiring!
"Didn't realize how fast a moving horse is going..." Not just speed-- a horse is up to half a ton of muscle and bone and hooves. Lots of momentum there. In a collision between a person and a speeding horse the frail little human is going to come off second-best, every time. This analysis probably makes the best sense out of what was otherwise a pretty irrational act.
Douglas Daniel not irrational when she was fighting for votes for women - something which is such a basic human act it's disgusting how it was not available to everyone at all timws
Perhaps I can choose a word closer to my meaning than 'irrational'-- perhaps naive, and not naive because she was fighting for votes for women, but because she apparently didn't realize just how dangerous and well-nigh impossible it was to fling a scarf onto a speeding racehorse. That's not a judgment of her commitment or the rightness of her cause, just her judgment.
@@maepb8961 Fighting for votes by getting run over by a horse. She probably would have made a better rights campaigner alive. Well anyway women should have the vote as long as they have to fight should a war come along.
She has a return ticket form Epsom to Victoria so i don't think she intended to kill herself also, the plan A was to sneak into the horses pen and attach it to the horse but she got recognised and taken away, the plan B was to attach it to the horse when it was running but she misjudged how fast the horses went and got hit
I saw horribly histories in history the other day and the suffragette song came on and I see this scene but a boy in my class was like “ girls suck we were made first and they shouldn’t get right” so I got up and pushed him to the floor and punched him . He had a bloody nose and ran away . Better yet I didn’t get suspended only got detention x
Sadly because of all the work that went into the graphics based on it the map of the course shown at 1.12 is incorrect. That aerial shot is modern, showing the modern Tattenham Corner. The layout of the bend was changed in 1915. I'm surprised that Clare appears unaware of that during the making of the video. The incident took place down lower closer to the five furlong Shute. In 1913 Tattenham Corner was a sharper turn than it is on the modern track.
What a brilliant woman - took us over 100 years to acknowledge it. Gave her life for women's human and equal rights. Some of those 'Edwardian Toffs,' well. let's be fair - you couldn't put a name to them. Emily Davison and her plaque at Epsom live on.
She knew she was gonna be hit, thats the whole point. She was a radical, willing to give her own life for the cause of women's right to vote. She knew exactly what she was doing, she knew she'd become a martyr for her cause.
+Mark Anthony ~ She didn't think she'd be hit but at the worst, expected to go to prison again... In her pockets were found notepaper, envelopes and stamps - things they (Suffragettes) made sure to carry at all times on protests because they would always break the law and end up being arrested... a kind of mobile phone for emergencies.
Not sure she knew she was to become a martyr. Any number of possibilities could have occurred. lf she had survived but the rider and horse died l doubt her legacy would have been the same.
This really is fascinating history detective work. Early in the video I did not understand why the horse would want to jump over a standing person. Later when they said she was holding the banner outstretched, I can see how the horse might have perceived it to be a wide barrier that had to be jumped over to be avoided.
I think she probably had an inkling she would die, but didn't care as she was willing to die for what she believed in. I don't think she intended to kill herself though, just maybe accepted it as one of the outcomes.
also you can see in the slowed down footage that just as the king's horse approaches her she turns to her right, as if to put the sash on the horse. I definitely think that's what she was trying to do!
Emily Davison was one of the most hardcore suffragettes back then ,she had been arrested many times in protests and was never going to give up.her campaign for womens rights. ,she was 41 years old when she died and had been one of the earliest members of the suffragette movement,all the protests and rallys she had attended in the past had come to nothing women were not any further in getting the vote. I believe she felt she had to do something very decisive and different from anything before to gain support for her cause,and that was to get directly to the king and go over parliaments head.She couldnt get to the king personally but instead decided to attach the suffragette scarf to the kings horse.She had it worked out where the kings horse was in the race she knew exactly what she was doing. I dont believe she intended to get herself killed but knew she was taking a big risk never the less. She was a very brave woman and her death was very convenient for the suffragette cause as they made her a martyr and rightly so.
I personally think thats bollocks. I think she intended for herself to be killed if not seriously injured to prove that it was a cause worth dying for. It was clearly a very thought provoking act.
Whilst it was a thought-provoking act, this isn't the only piece of evidence that leads people to think this wasn't intentional. She had a return train ticket on her, another ticket to a suffragette rally later that day, and she'd made plans to stay with her sister in France. Plus, there's information that they'd been practicing attaching the banners on moving objects to *avoid* any on-the-day accidents.
But I think she definitely knew the risks. She must have known that serious injury, if not death, would be very likely. But weather she planned to be killed or not she was a very brave woman and I admire her greatly!
A few of the suffragettes were seen practicing the move to place the scarf on a passing horse in a park near her home..days before the race It.seems she drew the short straw on the day... Some may say foolish, but i think it took an incredible amount of bravery.I visited her grave a couple of years ago, and she is remembered with ornaments and scarfs attatched to the railings around it.
salve sono il proprietario della masseria ginistrelli edoardo ,cerco il video della vittoria del cavallo signorinella a epsom derby 1908 i fate sapere grazie.
"Misjudged it" Yeah you could say that! It was foolhardy,not to say stupid even,to believe that she would have stood any chance of success in wandering out into a field of passing racehorses going at full tilt in an attempt to attach a banner/scarf to one of them,if that indeed is what she was trying to do. That being said,could it be argued that what actually transpired helped to advance Women's Suffrage far more than the suggested intent would have,if it had been successful? And if so,would Miss.Davison have considered it a sacrifice worth making? No definitive answer of course but interesting points of thought perhaps.
It looks to me as if she raises the scarf to one horse rider briefly, then raises it a second later to the kings horse, but it looks like her hand reaches out twice, (as I say to one horse, then kings horse).
Thinking to myself this was a silly loss of life that scarred another person for the remainder of their days (the jockey) and could have killed an innocent animal. Not to mention the accidents she could have caused to the other riders and horses. This was a perfect example of someone being selfish while trying to be selfless. It wasn't taken well by the king, either, which I assume didn't help the image of the cause. It appeals to the emotions, but think of this practically...If her plan was to pin a scarf on a horse running at 40mph...was she even smart enough to vote?
I don't think it was suicide. She made an analysis of the consequences & decided it was worth the risk. People then accepted death much more easily then than now. People forget, or have forgotten death is ever present & unavoidable. Their should be no mystery or fear of it. But if you believe your cause is just, than die well, not stupidly. She died WELL. Not stupidly.
It could have been portrayed both ways as she only bought a one way ticket on a train so she knew the risks of death whilst trying to do this, but then again only wanted the kings horse to cross the finish line with the women’s rights scarf on the horses tack that’s why she was slightly to the right of the horse trying to be out of the way, she miss calculated the fact that the horse is traveling at around 24mph and she had a very slim chance of actually pulling this off, and as shown in the video the horse tries to jump her - with the horse trying to jump her it makes her right in front of the horse causing her to get knocked over, sadly she died a few days after it and she knew the risk of death whilst doing this so I reckon it could be classed as a suicide as she was on a mission and wouldn’t let anything stop her. The jokey also had a hard time coping with the trauma after it and had no way of moving out of the way in time so it wasn’t his fault so maybe it was classed as man slaughter? The jokey of the kings horse later on committed suicide as he couldn’t cope and his son also mentioned it wasn’t just this incident that caused his suicide there were other factors. I believe the horse continued to race as it wasn’t injured luckily for it. I think it’s a sad case and women are grateful for her sacrificing her life for us. I’m just sorry that she put the jockey in danger too tho.
Incredibly stupid to step onto a racetrack and stupid to think she could attach a ribbon onto a horse running that fast. Incredibly stupid of her. It's sad she died in this way. Sad for the jockey, the horse, and the people who saw it. The jockey was significantly injured including a concussion. He was haunted by the accident, but he placed a wreath at another suffragette's funeral in honor of them both. After his wife died he became depressed and killed himself.
I was talking about this to one of my friends and we thought it was an accident but also suicide was intended because she would of knew how fast the horses were going and when th cameras were going to hit her and where she had to be in the course so when she went to put the scarf on the horse she knew it would most likely end up in death and there was a return ticket found in her pockets for that day so it may have just been accident or a backup plan if the suicide plan didn’t work
I think that she didn’t want to get hit. It was an accidental tragedy. When they did some research they found a ticket to somewhere which means that she had plans further on her day. So why would she want to die when she has plans. She also did this because of suffragette matters (I learnt at school)
I learnt this in school and what really happened was that at that time people treated women unfairly so she decided to take her life to show people that women do matter😢
School project, but I wonder do you think she believed that people would believe she was getting the sash on the horse but actually was attempting suicide?
the horse afterwards was fine.... the rider afterwards was fine ((until he took his life)) but Emily Wilding Davison was NOT fine, she was in a coma for 4 days then past away.
looks like her hand holding the scarf reaches out to one horse, then she bearly reaches out to the king's horse before the king's horse slams into her.
@@monicam7834 oh that's ok then. She didn't know what would happen when she recklessly behaved like that. She could have killed or maimed an innocent person.
i feel like I'm the only one going "omfg i hope the horse was ok"😂 because she knew the risks (very proud of her) but the horse had nothing to do with it and had no choice.
Both the horse and the jockey were fine. A lot of people are spreading nonsense that they died but a few minutes of googling will tell you they were well enough to race at the Ascot only two weeks later.
Much easier and more sensible if she had popped the silk scarf onto the horse at the pre-race parade ground when the horses were calmly walking around in circles.
She tried to put a suffragette badge on the kings horse, she clearly tried to get in the way of the horse to give her more publicity for her actions. What she did was wrong and she was willing to damage another being and an animal just to get an already well known point across, I also believe that her actions did not help the suffragette’s protest, if not it made their voting chances less likely because people realised ‘if they do this with no power, imagine what they would do with more power. P.S. I am not from Britain I am from the First Nation in the world that allowed women to vote, that being the Isle Of Man 🇮🇲
This is one theory, but the doctor who examined her could not say for sure that is what happened. She was flung hard and far, so it may easily have been simply the landing that caused the fracture.
I think she was prepared for 'whatever'. Whether she lived or died, she wanted recognition of the cause, and she was probably prepared to die for it. I dont think anyone would commit such an act without knowing there was a good chance of death. The scarf was the message...be it a banner or a suicide note. I thank god for these women, even if they were considerd terrorists....the means justified the ends. 1916 for god sakes when half the population (uk) were given the chance to vote. Its not a long time ago and they prolly thought "fuck it....its gonna take what its gonna take!", and im bloody glad they did. My family is predominantly women and the thought of them being classed as second rate citizens actually disgusts me. We should want more for our sisters, nieces, aunties and mothers. A fuckin men 😇
@@celiam9822 - not true at all . My Great Uncle fought with the Royal Horse Artillery in the 1914-1918 war and he didn’t talk about it much but what he did say was that he formed deep bonds with his team of horses who pulled the field cannons and mourned them heavily when they were killed or injured and had to be destroyed . Animal lovers have existed throughout the history of humanity - it’s how we domesticated them in the first place - not by fear but by making it look as though humans were “ attractive” to interact with . Utterly foolhardy to attempt to pin this onto a horse running at 40 mph . Half a ton of muscle and bone travelling at that velocity and a horse , which is a flight animal , who tried to jump over the top of Emily Davidson because he couldn’t jink sideways to the left because of the running rails . Also , how was Emily Davidson to know that the King’s horse would be running “ solo” ? What would have happened had the horse been bunched up with three others ? She must have known there was a good chance that she wouldn’t survive this foolhardy act ? It’s like standing in front of a cavalry charge and trying to pin the tail on the donkey in the process ! I cannot imagine her thought processes ; she clearly did not understand horses nor care about their rights nor the rights of the jockeys . But as they were only men , maybe that also didn’t matter to her ?
She was rather stupid, actually. She almost certainly had no intention to die (she was carrying a ticket to a suffragette social event for that night). She had no idea how fast a race horse gallops or how dangerous they can be. She was ignorant and fool-hardly.
In my opinion you can’t really know how the animal was going to react, you can see she was holding something and that might be a publicity for votes for woman 👩🏽
Humildemente me parece logico pensar q ella queria colgar algo de la brida del caballo;este no la atropella;es ella quien se aferra a el.Fue un suicidio accidental.🌹🍃🌹🍃
She was an idiot. Nothing about this was brave, noble or helpful to the cause either it just showed the world some of these women were barmy and not fit to peel a potato.
Apparently the jockey who she collided with, Herbert Jones, attended her funeral.... he also said 'I could never get the look of that poor woman's face out of my mind' Sadly, he took his own life in 1951
+Chief Kurtz He only had slight concussion, but you're correct, it was Pankhurst's funeral that he attended.
Centrist Philosopher we are doing this in history, it was the kings horse and she was hoping to attach the banner to his horse
Stealing from a dead person is not actually a crime because it is victimless!
And the reason that he (Jones)took his own life had NOTHING to do with what he witnessed. And he did NOT attend E Davison's Funeral. He was involved in a collision with Emily Davison, the suffragette, who was fatally injured. Jones suffered significant injuries himself, including a mild concussion. Fifteen years after the death of Emily Davison, Herbert Jones laid a wreath at the funeral of Emmeline Pankhurst in honour of her and Emily Davisonson's Funeral. The facts are :------ Jones retired from riding in 1923. In 1951, soon after his wife's death and his onset of depression, he was discovered to have committed suicide after his son found him in a gas-filled kitchen.
What is the source of that quote 'I could never get the look of that poor woman's face out of my mind'? Did he really say that?
In my opinion, I feel like she didn't purposely want to get hit. i feel like she wanted to wrap the scarf around the horse. i also think that she knew the risks of her getting hurt, and that is why she had sewn the Suffragette flag inside her coat (i researched this at school). , just in case she did die then they would know why she did what she had done. i also researched some other things, and I found out that she had things such as a return ticket in her coat. this shows that she might not have wanted to get hit, and that she was actually going to go back (home?).
I'm not sure if that all makes sense, so basically. In conclusion, i feel that she did not want to get hit by purpose, but she knew the risks, so she did some precautions if she did.
(I am still a young student, so please do not give me hate. I just wanted to share what I found out. Thank you :D)
+Bibble Me Butera Probably not. A return ticket was the only type available at Victoria station, and she'd previously attempted to kill herself by jumping thirty feet down an iron staircase: she survived because she was caught in some netting, although she injured her back. This much is available from a quick skim through on-line sources, no actual 'research' is needed
+Elr James okay. thank you for this information as I am doing a school project about this currently. thank you :)
Bibble Me Butera It's a great topic for 'research'. I'm more a suffragist than a suffragette but, as a man, I can only say that (considering contemporary social norms)
I'd have been 'won over' (if only emotionally) by Emily's sacrifice. What a strong and courageous example of femininity she was.
Elr James she was amazing
+Bibble Me Butera I watched Suffragette movie, with Carey Mulligan. In the film she tried to get into paddock first, to protest in front of cameras. but policeman blocked them. So she decided to do this. It wasn't initial plan. So maybe explains why she had ticket.
Kind of creepy don't you think that this is the actual footage of her death?
dallasmyboy Not quite, she died a few days later i believe
she died four days later in a hospital from base skull fracture, never regaining consciousness since her collision with a horse.
Katie Winzer True but the cause of her death I suppose
Try telling that to Vic Morrow
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stunning footage...it haunts me that this legendary historical event has even been captured on camera more than a 100 years ago. Now, seeing everything so clear compared to the original film is absolutely surreal. lt's still controversial if this was a suicide. Her return railway ticket to London, a ticket for a suffragette dance later that day and plans with her sister in the following week all suggest against her potential suicide attempt. Some historians also suggested she was seen with other suffragettes practising horse grabbing at the park near her mother's house and they then drew lots about which one of them would go to the Derby. l would agree that her determined stance in front of the horse also suggests that she was about to attach that scarf or something to a horse's bridle rather than kill herself. On the other hand, in her essay ''The Price of Liberty'' and her other writings she indeed praised martyrdom and the cost of the ultimate sacrifice of a militant warrior, a ''true Amazon'' for her cause. But still, as a passionate christian she knew that committing a suicide would have prevented her to be buried on a consecrated ground. So l believe her death might have been an accident from misjudging the angle and speed of a horse.
I was learning about this in my history lesson today and we looked at all the evidence and apparently she had the suffragette badge sewn on the inside of her coat why would she have that if she didn't intend to kill herself but then again in her purse she had a return ticket for the train so maybe she hadn't of intended to but this video says she had a scarf in her hand and to put the scarf around the horse which is actually understandable but I don't think anyone will ever know the real truth about Emily Davidson but she done all of this for us the woman and even was prepared to loose her life so we could get our vote what an inspirational woman 👼🏼❤️
Yeah, same we did that
the return train ticket was the only one available to buy at that time btw..
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Alice Mitchell I believe her actions did not affect the voting since voting was rewarded to women after there service for helping the soldiers in the war
Alice Mitchell I learnt this today as well
Thanks to Emily, and those brave Suffragettes, I have my vote today xxx
bet u dont even use it
@@abderian2399 well that’s a well conceived response
Well only partly. They were only given a partial vote in 1918, but had actually ended their militant campaign in 1914. They suspended operations in order to support the war effort and were "rewarded" with a partial vote four years later. It was actually partly due to a decline in anti-suffrage feeling during the war years, while the WSPU had ceased their campaign and also partly for fear of more militant campaigns starting up if they didn't give more women the vote. Only women over 30 who owned property or rented property with a rent over £5 (a lot of money back then), or were graduates of British universities were given the vote, so this still excluded the vast majority of women and it wasn't until 1928 that women got the full universal vote in the UK.
@@execbum1 Thank you, I am aware of social, and political history. However, I have my vote today, thanks to the suffrage movement.
40% of men didn't have the vote in 1914 either, when a million and a half battle hardened, disenfranchised men returned from the war, having witnessed eight hundred and ninety thousand of their brothers cut down, they got the impression of democracy, the vote.
I believe that Davison was indeed trying to attach the scarf to the Kings horse and had no intention of suicide however she misjudged the distance and at what time to pounce because of this she was killed. I do believe however that the King had time to direction the horse away from Davison but perhaps he was not paying any attention.
The jockey of the kings horse wouldn't have been able to get out of the way even if he had seen her, which i doubt he did. Flat racehorses travel at speeds of up to over 40mph, and they are big animals, it would have been very difficult to pull up or swerve an animal that big and going that fast in just 4 seconds, as the video said. Also, the horse did try and jump over her, so it shows that the horse did try and avoid colliding with her.
Sadia Nila Llf 😂 it wasn't the king riding the horse, he just owned it. The jockey went on to kill himself
This is what happens when people who don't know squat about horses give an opinion about it
I watched this in history today
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Me too
i watched it today
In my opinion the point they're trying to make in this video is wrong. It's not about her wanting to commit suicide or not, and it's not even about misjudging the distance between herself and the King's horse. It's just that she had probably decided to accept the risk that, in order to put the scarf on the horse, she might have killed herself. In other words, I think she accepted the idea that she might have immolated herself and sacrificed her life for a cause. Infact, any person would be able to foresee that the risk of dying, when facing the King's horse, had to be extremely high. There's a fundamental difference between "commiting suicide" and "immolating yourself for a cause", and unfortunately this video doesn't emphasize this difference at all.
Very well written: the distinction is excellently drawn by your good-self. I, for one, hadn't even thought about the video in that way; thanks for pointing to it.
+Elr James thank YOU for your kind words :-)
Thank you! You are the voice of reason & sanity. Many "commenters", apparently didn't listen to the entire video, nor know ANY suffragette history...................but, this is the case in the 21st century.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.
Gioveolympys - Thank you for your very lucid point about Emily, the reason I'm replying is that, with full respect of course, I don't think I agree with it. I don't think it's right to assume that because something (here, an extremely high risk of death) is an apparently obvious consequence of an act a person chooses to carry out, that the person involved actually did foresee it. I hope that makes sense (!)
I think there are three EQUALLY strong possibilities about Emily's state of mind that day.
1) It was indeed a suicide she thought would further the suffragette cause.
2) She knowingly took the very great risk of death from the powerful horse when trying is some way to attach a suffragette sash or flag to the horse.
3) She took a risk, but catastrophically underestimated how great it was, simply failing to know or find out about the speed and power of a horse running in the Derby. In other words, she thought there was indeed a risk that she would be hurt or injured or even killed, but mistakenly thought that the risk was small because she would be able to stop the horse.
I think one of the above must be true, which one actually is true will, so long afterwards, surely forever remain a mystery, unless some sort of persuasive document (a letter or diary entry from her or a friend before the act saying what she was going to do and why, for instance) dramatically emerges.
For what (little) it's worth, my hunch is that number 3) above is the truth of it.
One more point - given how little time she had between coming out and being hit, I can't see how she could have deliberately 'targeted' the King's horse - the film shows it was running nearly last, and because of where Emily was on that bend she was unsighted for most of those seconds. I think she just picked a horse which happened to be the King's.
But then again, what do I know ?
"a very fine scarf and it's silk". So a Clark of the Course just "picked it up and put it in his pocket", and kept it and it was passed down to his daughter. So if he made no attempt to return it to the rightful owner, in other words he stole it !
The owner died
Elr James yes but in doing so he preserved an artifact and thanks to him now we can go and see it and relive the past
@@hinarashid9103 Why would Davidson's family not have "preserved [the] artifact" had it been returned to them? Why did the Clerk of the Course have to steal it?
@@jessnez8697 And so the next of her kin would've been the rightful owner of the scarf, not that thief.
At this distance in time, people have forgotten that the suffragettes generally were seen as mad or bad, and not just by the people in power. Picking up the scarf may have been an attempt to hide a ‘shameful’ piece of evidence and spare her family - better for a fatally-injured respectably dressed lady to be thought of as a poor suicide than a mad anarchist?
A real shame they've taken this off 4OD, have written to them to ask them to put it back on
That scared the hell out off me when I learned about it yesterday
Wow ...a lot of ppl not caring about the jockey....it's not like he set the laws you know!
the horse and jockey were fine afterwards however Emily was not,
@@georgiabiddle4983 Well the jockey never got over it and killed himself years later, after being driven mad by the guilt he felt. Not his fault at all, but he wasn't really okay - only physically.
Im learning about this and i know she didn't die there but its still scary i feel weird watching it happen over and over again just to see it better >.< but i think she was wonderful person and she's very inspiring!
"Didn't realize how fast a moving horse is going..."
Not just speed-- a horse is up to half a ton of muscle and bone and hooves. Lots of momentum there. In a collision between a person and a speeding horse the frail little human is going to come off second-best, every time.
This analysis probably makes the best sense out of what was otherwise a pretty irrational act.
Douglas Daniel not irrational when she was fighting for votes for women - something which is such a basic human act it's disgusting how it was not available to everyone at all timws
Perhaps I can choose a word closer to my meaning than 'irrational'-- perhaps naive, and not naive because she was fighting for votes for women, but because she apparently didn't realize just how dangerous and well-nigh impossible it was to fling a scarf onto a speeding racehorse. That's not a judgment of her commitment or the rightness of her cause, just her judgment.
woow ur so smartt
@@maepb8961 Fighting for votes by getting run over by a horse. She probably would have made a better rights campaigner alive. Well anyway women should have the vote as long as they have to fight should a war come along.
@@douglasdaniel4504 It was Fucking retarded, but because she’s a woman no one can say it.
Fortunately the horse didn't get injured.
She has a return ticket form Epsom to Victoria so i don't think she intended to kill herself also, the plan A was to sneak into the horses pen and attach it to the horse but she got recognised and taken away, the plan B was to attach it to the horse when it was running but she misjudged how fast the horses went and got hit
she done lime 500 backflips
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God." - Emily Wilding Davison.
+Julie VanBerkel This is Benjamin Franklin. Emil was quoting him
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Hey guys, I’m here from my last day of history homework online, I’ll miss commenting on random videos I get told to watch 🥺
I saw horribly histories in history the other day and the suffragette song came on and I see this scene but a boy in my class was like “ girls suck we were made first and they shouldn’t get right” so I got up and pushed him to the floor and punched him . He had a bloody nose and ran away . Better yet I didn’t get suspended only got detention x
Good for you, that'll teach the little twat!
Yeah some guys are idiots.
Sadly because of all the work that went into the graphics based on it the map of the course shown at 1.12 is incorrect. That aerial shot is modern, showing the modern Tattenham Corner. The layout of the bend was changed in 1915. I'm surprised that Clare appears unaware of that during the making of the video. The incident took place down lower closer to the five furlong Shute. In 1913 Tattenham Corner was a sharper turn than it is on the modern track.
She wasn't particularly big on physics was she ? She could have simply waited till after the race, and then attached the scarf on the king's horse.
What a brilliant woman - took us over 100 years to acknowledge it. Gave her life for women's human and equal rights. Some of those 'Edwardian Toffs,' well. let's be fair - you couldn't put a name to them. Emily Davison and her plaque at Epsom live on.
Don’t act like it all wouldn’t of happened without her 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Stanley_Baby a terrorist
She knew she was gonna be hit, thats the whole point. She was a radical, willing to give her own life for the cause of women's right to vote. She knew exactly what she was doing, she knew she'd become a martyr for her cause.
+Mark Anthony ~ She didn't think she'd be hit but at the worst, expected to go to prison again... In her pockets were found notepaper, envelopes and stamps - things they (Suffragettes) made sure to carry at all times on protests because they would always break the law and end up being arrested... a kind of mobile phone for emergencies.
@@frankasensale6788 no one really knows though bevause shes dead
Not sure she knew she was to become a martyr. Any number of possibilities could have occurred. lf she had survived but the rider and horse died l doubt her legacy would have been the same.
This is the most interesting history I’ve seen
I have to watch this for personal development
This really is fascinating history detective work. Early in the video I did not understand why the horse would want to jump over a standing person. Later when they said she was holding the banner outstretched, I can see how the horse might have perceived it to be a wide barrier that had to be jumped over to be avoided.
If you look very closely, she braces herself and puts her shoulder to the Kings horse; looked a pretty deliberate act to me.
zaftra apparently she was trying to grab the reigns of the horse so she could ride the horse
I think she probably had an inkling she would die, but didn't care as she was willing to die for what she believed in. I don't think she intended to kill herself though, just maybe accepted it as one of the outcomes.
also you can see in the slowed down footage that just as the king's horse approaches her she turns to her right, as if to put the sash on the horse. I definitely think that's what she was trying to do!
bravissimi ,e possibile vedere il derby epsom 1908 grazie.
This is literally what I have to watch for my history homework (mint)
Deffo wasn't trying to kill herself or bring down the horse, she just misjudged her timing trying to pin the Suffragette scarf to the horse.
It was just stupidity, a pardonable offence in a woman.
i highly doubt that , why would she try to put a scarf on a horse thats going that fast ?
Emily Davison was one of the most hardcore suffragettes back then ,she had been arrested many times in protests and was never going to give up.her campaign for womens rights. ,she was 41 years old when she died and had been one of the earliest members of the suffragette movement,all the protests and rallys she had attended in the past had come to nothing women were not any further in getting the vote.
I believe she felt she had to do something very decisive and different from anything before to gain support for her cause,and that was to get directly to the king and go over parliaments head.She couldnt get to the king personally but instead decided to attach the suffragette scarf to the kings horse.She had it worked out where the kings horse was in the race she knew exactly what she was doing.
I dont believe she intended to get herself killed but knew she was taking a big risk never the less.
She was a very brave woman and her death was very convenient for the suffragette cause as they made her a martyr and rightly so.
@99 Bottles of Bleach lol awwwww is somebody butt hurt that women got equal rights?
I personally think thats bollocks. I think she intended for herself to be killed if not seriously injured to prove that it was a cause worth dying for. It was clearly a very thought provoking act.
Whilst it was a thought-provoking act, this isn't the only piece of evidence that leads people to think this wasn't intentional.
She had a return train ticket on her, another ticket to a suffragette rally later that day, and she'd made plans to stay with her sister in France.
Plus, there's information that they'd been practicing attaching the banners on moving objects to *avoid* any on-the-day accidents.
Thorntonian And she told the Suffragettes that she would be back in a day, definitely not intending to be killed.
But I think she definitely knew the risks. She must have known that serious injury, if not death, would be very likely. But weather she planned to be killed or not she was a very brave woman and I admire her greatly!
A few of the suffragettes were seen practicing the move to place the scarf on a passing horse in a park near her home..days before the race It.seems she drew the short straw on the day...
Some may say foolish, but i think it took an incredible amount of bravery.I visited her grave a couple of years ago, and she is remembered with ornaments and scarfs attatched to the railings around it.
salve sono il proprietario della masseria ginistrelli edoardo ,cerco il video della vittoria del cavallo signorinella a epsom derby 1908 i fate sapere grazie.
"Misjudged it" Yeah you could say that! It was foolhardy,not to say stupid even,to believe that she would have stood any chance of success in wandering out into a field of passing racehorses going at full tilt in an attempt to attach a banner/scarf to one of them,if that indeed is what she was trying to do.
That being said,could it be argued that what actually transpired helped to advance Women's Suffrage far more than the suggested intent would have,if it had been successful? And if so,would Miss.Davison have considered it a sacrifice worth making? No definitive answer of course but interesting points of thought perhaps.
Vortigan07 How unsympathetic is that !
Elr James This isn't about sympathy. It seems to be studying her actions....
It looks to me as if she raises the scarf to one horse rider briefly, then raises it a second later to the kings horse, but it looks like her hand reaches out twice, (as I say to one horse, then kings horse).
Thinking to myself this was a silly loss of life that scarred another person for the remainder of their days (the jockey) and could have killed an innocent animal. Not to mention the accidents she could have caused to the other riders and horses. This was a perfect example of someone being selfish while trying to be selfless. It wasn't taken well by the king, either, which I assume didn't help the image of the cause. It appeals to the emotions, but think of this practically...If her plan was to pin a scarf on a horse running at 40mph...was she even smart enough to vote?
I don't think it was suicide. She made an analysis of the consequences & decided it was worth the risk. People then accepted death much more easily then than now.
People forget, or have forgotten death is ever present & unavoidable. Their should be no mystery or fear of it.
But if you believe your cause is just, than die well, not stupidly.
She died WELL. Not stupidly.
your right.
The jockey said he could never get her face out of his head. He also went on to kill himself
Can anyone please explain to me why you guys pronounce the word Derby with an A sound,
Who's here from hw assignment
It could have been portrayed both ways as she only bought a one way ticket on a train so she knew the risks of death whilst trying to do this, but then again only wanted the kings horse to cross the finish line with the women’s rights scarf on the horses tack that’s why she was slightly to the right of the horse trying to be out of the way, she miss calculated the fact that the horse is traveling at around 24mph and she had a very slim chance of actually pulling this off, and as shown in the video the horse tries to jump her - with the horse trying to jump her it makes her right in front of the horse causing her to get knocked over, sadly she died a few days after it and she knew the risk of death whilst doing this so I reckon it could be classed as a suicide as she was on a mission and wouldn’t let anything stop her. The jokey also had a hard time coping with the trauma after it and had no way of moving out of the way in time so it wasn’t his fault so maybe it was classed as man slaughter? The jokey of the kings horse later on committed suicide as he couldn’t cope and his son also mentioned it wasn’t just this incident that caused his suicide there were other factors. I believe the horse continued to race as it wasn’t injured luckily for it. I think it’s a sad case and women are grateful for her sacrificing her life for us. I’m just sorry that she put the jockey in danger too tho.
Incredibly stupid to step onto a racetrack and stupid to think she could attach a ribbon onto a horse running that fast. Incredibly stupid of her. It's sad she died in this way. Sad for the jockey, the horse, and the people who saw it. The jockey was significantly injured including a concussion. He was haunted by the accident, but he placed a wreath at another suffragette's funeral in honor of them both. After his wife died he became depressed and killed himself.
Maybe it's YOU who is incredibly stupid, did you ever consider that?
The fact that she thought that this was a good idea … doesn’t do any good to the women should vote debate 😂😂
I was talking about this to one of my friends and we thought it was an accident but also suicide was intended because she would of knew how fast the horses were going and when th cameras were going to hit her and where she had to be in the course so when she went to put the scarf on the horse she knew it would most likely end up in death and there was a return ticket found in her pockets for that day so it may have just been accident or a backup plan if the suicide plan didn’t work
I think that she didn’t want to get hit. It was an accidental tragedy. When they did some research they found a ticket to somewhere which means that she had plans further on her day. So why would she want to die when she has plans. She also did this because of suffragette matters
(I learnt at school)
I need to do this for homework ØØF.
I learnt this in school and what really happened was that at that time people treated women unfairly so she decided to take her life to show people that women do matter😢
School project, but I wonder do you think she believed that people would believe she was getting the sash on the horse but actually was attempting suicide?
I feel sorry for that horse...
MI Miah why? it fell it's fine it's not dead
Mae Day well .. now it is ..
No thanks to her.
MI Miah I feel sorry for all the punters who lost money on the race...
the horse afterwards was fine.... the rider afterwards was fine ((until he took his life)) but Emily Wilding Davison was NOT fine, she was in a coma for 4 days then past away.
I watched this in English today at school
I had the pleasure of meeting Claire she is a true lady and very down to earth a lovely lady xxx
looks like her hand holding the scarf reaches out to one horse, then she bearly reaches out to the king's horse before the king's horse slams into her.
Emily I am crying for you……..and I am in awe of you………. You are a true legend……and Kellie-Jay Keen is a woman I believe you would trust and follow.
There are ways and means to fight for a cause. Nearly killing an innocent person with reckless actions isn't one of them.
Who did she nearly kill? The jockey only sustained very mild concussion and was back riding 2 weeks after the accident.
@@monicam7834 oh that's ok then. She didn't know what would happen when she recklessly behaved like that. She could have killed or maimed an innocent person.
i feel like I'm the only one going "omfg i hope the horse was ok"😂 because she knew the risks (very proud of her) but the horse had nothing to do with it and had no choice.
I know how It feels now to be in the middle of a cavalry charge, thanks Emily
the story gets sort of tainted at 4 min 22...what a strange story for an advert .........(albeit the story is very important)
I feel sorry for the poor horse, who never wanted to be in a race in the first place. Wonder what happened to it. Anyone know?
Arthur Hurwitz , yes the kings horse survived
Arthur Hurwitz I think it was put down due to injury
Both the horse and the jockey were fine. A lot of people are spreading nonsense that they died but a few minutes of googling will tell you they were well enough to race at the Ascot only two weeks later.
well the jockey WAS fine until he committed suicide.
What about the horse was it killed or did i survive
The horse was ok!
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wow makes you think
Yes it certainly does
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Much easier and more sensible if she had popped the silk scarf onto the horse at the pre-race parade ground
when the horses were calmly walking around in circles.
look,you didnt show in slow clear motion how she approached the horse
Where talking about Emily Davison at my class to see if it was suicide or accident and we had more evidence that it was an accident
what did she expect, this is called dementia
who else had to watch this for school
why did she even walk out in the first place....?
EDIT: Oh nvm i understand now x)
she wanted to pin a scarf on the kings horse so hed be seen with it on when he crossed the finish line but she got hit
R.I.P
Here for history
Poor horse.
horse remained alive of course.
and for emily davinson shes a hero, she risked her life just for women's rights
She tried to put a suffragette badge on the kings horse, she clearly tried to get in the way of the horse to give her more publicity for her actions. What she did was wrong and she was willing to damage another being and an animal just to get an already well known point across, I also believe that her actions did not help the suffragette’s protest, if not it made their voting chances less likely because people realised ‘if they do this with no power, imagine what they would do with more power.
P.S. I am not from Britain I am from the First Nation in the world that allowed women to vote, that being the Isle Of Man 🇮🇲
Noah Gorry isn’t isle of man in the uk
The horses hooves landed on Emily’s head which caused it a fracture so she was in coma for along time BUT she didn’t come back.
This is one theory, but the doctor who examined her could not say for sure that is what happened. She was flung hard and far, so it may easily have been simply the landing that caused the fracture.
She stood in front of horses in full run… what don’t you understand about that? There’s no forensics needed!
I’ve been to parliament with school and we seen something different and it had her blood on soooooooo
I think she was prepared for 'whatever'. Whether she lived or died, she wanted recognition of the cause, and she was probably prepared to die for it. I dont think anyone would commit such an act without knowing there was a good chance of death. The scarf was the message...be it a banner or a suicide note. I thank god for these women, even if they were considerd terrorists....the means justified the ends. 1916 for god sakes when half the population (uk) were given the chance to vote. Its not a long time ago and they prolly thought "fuck it....its gonna take what its gonna take!", and im bloody glad they did. My family is predominantly women and the thought of them being classed as second rate citizens actually disgusts me. We should want more for our sisters, nieces, aunties and mothers. A fuckin men 😇
This is weird why would u say a amazing angle she died bro 😕
amazing angle to show what actually happened
Interested but I wonder why these camera man filming at Emily then crashed with horse? Sound like he knows already it’s will be tragic happens.
I swear every british school had this in history at one point
At least she didnt try to glue her hand to the horse. . .
She tried to throw a sufragette throw over the kings horsee neck to show her strength and that sge can do anything
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What sort of courage would it take to do that
As brave as this was. She could've endangered the horse too. Horse did nothing wrong
eerrrrm this was back in the day were animals were also just belongings, about the same level of respect as women - as it happens
@@celiam9822 AHH is diddums oppressed?poor baby.
Also the jockey -- or does he not matter?
Horses’ life> woman’s rights
@@celiam9822 - not true at all . My Great Uncle fought with the Royal Horse Artillery in the 1914-1918 war and he didn’t talk about it much but what he did say was that he formed deep bonds with his team of horses who pulled the field cannons and mourned them heavily when they were killed or injured and had to be destroyed . Animal lovers have existed throughout the history of humanity - it’s how we domesticated them in the first place - not by fear but by making it look as though humans were “ attractive” to interact with .
Utterly foolhardy to attempt to pin this onto a horse running at 40 mph . Half a ton of muscle and bone travelling at that velocity and a horse , which is a flight animal , who tried to jump over the top of Emily Davidson because he couldn’t jink sideways to the left because of the running rails . Also , how was Emily Davidson to know that the King’s horse would be running “ solo” ? What would have happened had the horse been bunched up with three others ?
She must have known there was a good chance that she wouldn’t survive this foolhardy act ?
It’s like standing in front of a cavalry charge and trying to pin the tail on the donkey in the process ! I cannot imagine her thought processes ; she clearly did not understand horses nor care about their rights nor the rights of the jockeys . But as they were only men , maybe that also didn’t matter to her ?
Such a brave woman, ready to die for her cause
She was rather stupid, actually. She almost certainly had no intention to die (she was carrying a ticket to a suffragette social event for that night). She had no idea how fast a race horse gallops or how dangerous they can be. She was ignorant and fool-hardly.
In my opinion you can’t really know how the animal was going to react, you can see she was holding something and that might be a publicity for votes for woman 👩🏽
She wins the Darwin Award in my opinion
Ride or die. Wait...she died.
What about the Poor horse?
It was ok don't worry!
She was the Greta of the early 1900s.
I wish Greta would try to pin a banner on a moving vehicle. 🤸♂🚙
Humildemente me parece logico pensar q ella queria colgar algo de la brida del caballo;este no la atropella;es ella quien se aferra a el.Fue un suicidio accidental.🌹🍃🌹🍃
It's no wons fault
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Wow
We watching this in my history lesson in isolation ✌🏻
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A very brave woman.
She was an idiot. Nothing about this was brave, noble or helpful to the cause either it just showed the world some of these women were barmy and not fit to peel a potato.