No deference to those with "full blood" status please! It's one thing to use this to ensure that those who are visibly Indigenous and living in poverty and suffering, ie lack of proper utilities, water, power, etc on some reservations. I want all the resources to go there. But as far as the indigenous nations, it is exclusively their right to choose the ways in which people may affiliate. While my skin is white, my Great Grandfather was Shawanooki adopted into Cherokee Nation. I am working to enrollment so I can learn and also honor the nation that honored my relatives by adopting them, so I feel a need to pay that debt, and it is an honor to do so. But all people in the nations ought to be respected, understanding that there may indeed be some wisdom in what you said, as maybe these full blooded people have a greater connection to the culture and knowledge of our traditional ways. All I know is that I feel it is important to shed the false identity of "white" and refer to myself as mixed European and Indigenous. Whiteness is constructed, and while false, it is also a very functional system made to place people that look like me at the top of society, and the rest just assumed to be inferior. This is a demonstrably unbalanced and evil ideology. All human beings are human beings. We all ought to be acting like humann beings for once. ᏩᏙ
There are 300 plus people in my tribe...Agua Calienta Band of Cahulla Indians, and they put a cap on the total amount of enrolled tribal people! What a crime. We have some full bloodied individuals who aren't enrolled in the tribe because they didn't qualify from the ENROLLMENT POLICY for this tribe so they don't benefit from the 3 casinos, tribal social events, medical coverage...etc. So messed up. If U.S. tribes reformed their enrollment policy to include those who identify as Native American from a particular tribe, then we would have a bigger tribe with a better idea of what we all look like...
Unfortunately I personally do think we have to continue to use dna/blood quantum because many non Indigenous people and non Indigenous Black people are claiming to be Indigenous because mom tells them their grandparents were Indigenous
It's a bit of a catch 22 unfortunately. I understand why the tribes should. I'm of Cherokee descent and I know from seeing the stereotypical "I'm from a Cherokee princess" Karens why I get the shit I do. But at the same time, what my great grandma went through was incredibly sad. She hid her heritage because of how racist Arkansas was at the time to the point I know very little of my family, and now I get shit on by members in the tribe that are even paler and have less features than me when I literally look like the Warriors of AniKituhwa just with some German features because of all this... dna shows about 5% on my mom's side, and 10% on my dad's. (YDNA) To boot I didn't know I had native American ancestry in my early teens and all I really could tell was I had a very different face than most of my white friends. I honestly could relate more to my Hispanic friends despite my paler complection. But when I saw my teeth and facial structures, I honestly couldn't help but think of the Urak-Hai in Lord of the Rings in the mirror... which I already was predisposed to social anxiety... you can guess what happened next. I was raised by an aunt and uncle not my parents, so further making me realize these differences... I have been calling people like me the Lost Ones. We clearly have native ancestry but for various reasons aren't connected to a tribe.
What is sad about this is that latin americans are not counted amongst native american despite the fact that native ancestry is much higher among Latin Americans. Who is counted as native and allowed to think of themselves as native is paper genocide in latin America where people are taught they are hispanic when in fact they are either pure blooded or mixed race natives. If latin people were properly listed the in the native numbers the number of natives would jump exponentially. There are 8 million puerto ricans alone who are mixed race native americans who are socially constructed as hispanic....
Do they want to be native American or just for benefits? Because the Puerto Ricans that I know look down on natives and don’t want to be recognized as native.
@@lenatsosie yes cultural conditioning historical erasure colonization and exploitation are a part of the native experience...puerto ricans in the island oftentimes dont know there own history..let alone in the united states but there are growing movements..throughout the carribean to reclaim our cultute and this is no differemt than many tribes throughout the americas.....how many "full blooded" indians don't look down on indians
@@lenatsosie im from boriken and we have used bits of our indigenous language and culture everyday..i was told we were indigenous all my childhood.. but its been so integrated and even looked down in history( endangered our survival) so many people rather indentify with the colonial identity. we know we would never financially benifit from being recognized indian but in the way of reconnecting and land rights and governance...so only maybe a third of actual indigenous people on the island care unfortunately. however we are growing and its Beautiful and certainly changing things. i see it like any other people on earth..many just dont care about roots, identity or this planet unfortunately.
Puerto Ricans are predominantly of Spanish/ Portuguese descent( according to dna 🧬 tests) Their culture is mainly of Spanish offshoot. It would be silly to drop your majority ancestry to identify as something you only have 15% of. Puerto Ricans are Hispanic first.
As a native in Oklahoma I'm mostly white but my cwy family is who I grew up with I'm not saying I'm fully emersed but I'm trying love stomp dance love my clan and my tribe and trying to learn the language that's all I can do if it's not good enough ok, I'm not the kind to ask for a hand out just proud of the culture wado negada
I’m a mutt. Most of my Pops family were Old Settlers and Western and have been there a long time. I’m lighter skinned but my Grandma taught me a lot about food, language and tribal history. She didn’t share much with my Pops generation because she wanted them to blend in and was taught to be ashamed of that part of our heritage. My Gramps Mother was mixed blood Ojibwe but was given up for adoption or a boarding school when young, so she never knew the culture that well. I think there are plenty people like that out there. The ones I can’t stand are those who lie and pretend they have that heritage. I was told that we’re either native or not and to be proud of all our heritage. I understand the difficulty with nations crunching numbers to maintain the integrity of the culture, resources, tribal benefits, etc., though. Tough decisions.
Erasure is part of the white man's strategy and is part of the native experience...black people don't have to enlist with a tribe to be black...why do you feel like you have to feel enrolled or culturally to be indian. You can choose the culture and experiences now. I disnt attend a powow until I was an adult and no one else in my family goes at all.
@@chesterciervo4330 I hope you will attend all events that are relevant for you, wherever you may be. My entire life I have attended pow wows and had close relations with natives yet had no idea of my heritage until I had my DNA done and its far away ancestry, but its there. And so if you can connect it could be a very good thing even just to feel more whole, you do not have to be an enrolled member.
You are who you are and no tribal council, or anyone else can take that from you. They don't have to officially recognize you but they didn't give you your heart or your DNA. The ones who reject you didn't create you so you weren't created in their image but in the image of the Almighty Creator, which holds power. Allow the rejection and sadness to make you a stronger, more powerful son of The Principle People. Pain is a very powerful medicine, it can be used to destroy, or, for growth. Walk your own path friend, it was laid out only for you, no one else can tell you how to walk it. 🦅🪶🪶🪶🪶
Messy. With mixed White, Native, and African heritages - it was interesting that there was no record keeping on my mother's side, my Black and Native ancestors. After the US Civil War, Black people became citizens, but Natives did not, until the 1920's. So for the many mixed African/Native families, it was far safer to be identified as Black than Native, so you would face much less threat of removal, violent eradication, or having your children seized and sent to the boarding schools. So many of these families submerged into the Black subculture and kept NO records until the mid 20th century, and there was a cultural taboo about talking about any Native heritage - for survival. Blood quanta, absolutely no clue. But I'm glad I am here to wonder about it and tell this story.
@@LuisRamirez-vv4dk this makes no sense. In Australia both the native tribe called the Torres Strait Islanders and mainland Aboriginal Australian tribe look ethnically black. The original Natives in the US had skin as dark as black people. They could have easily passed as black with braided hair and many did to avoid removal but those were the ones who lived in urban towns outside of the reserves but that didn't happen until the 80s when native families started to leave the reserves. Many blacks are mixed with Native. In the Philippines the Native Aeata tribe look ethnically black too. The watered down white looking native you see today with light tan skin is barely native.
@@Joseph-zd7kg I hate it when ppl try to make it sound like all Native Americans look white. Go to an Indian school, or a Indian reservation, or the Native American Universty N Lawrence KS, or Oklahoma were there are hundres of thousands of fullblood Native Americans still living there & they don't look white at all, these Native Americans still look like Geronimo, Chief Sitting Bull & ChiefJoseph. Not all N.A. are mix-bloods.
I do not like blood quantum because my nephew is 1/8th and he is fully legally adopted by my grandmother who is fully native which makes angry with my tribe because they will not provide my grandmother public assistance or subsidized services because my nephew is not NATIVE enough by blood.
I'm sorry but as a native, enrolled, I take issue with not testing. Science does not care about our feelings. If blood does not matter then If mark my words native nations will be white nations because that is the biggest mix of blood among native populations. Testing reveals this and whites get their privileges under the guise of native identity. Whether you believe quantum is designed to eliminate us is up to you. I believe that I believe that elimination elimination comes by way of continually mixing up-and-up the white line...I mean how can we trust their paperwork? It's not ironclad! DNA works! 100%
Totally agree with you. if these race mixing with non-natives continue, the Native American identity will weaken. However, I do believe that the Native community has also to resolve their internal problems/issues so that Natives will not have to look for love/partners outside of their community.
They don't call us Gen X for no reason...I hope this can be resolved. Many descendants are now considered "allies" and it hurts...just really hurts. Our ancestors got divided, and how can people say this must be continuous. My distant grandmother was adopted, but still close to her father, but she was raised the "French way" and married a French man. They were the first official mixed marriage of Canada. My grandmother was popped into boarding school...a very stressed out woman. So many family secrets.
Are Native Americans being under-counted? I wanna compare this with Black people in the U.S. In the U.S you don't have to have a particular blood quantum or physical appearance to be Black. Also Blacks from the Caribbean and Africa are counted as Black. These things help to boost the numbers for Black-Americans. With Native Americans you have to meet a certain blood quantum and it seems like Latino people who are mostly Native in the U.S tend to fall in the Latino/Hispanic category. What if those people were counted as being Native American? Wouldn't that boost the numbers of Native Americans in the U.S? That's what I meant about Native Americans being under-counted.
Hello. You are right that Latino immigrants have Native American blood. However, the US federal government is only concerned with Native American tribes whom they had treaties with because they basically took their lands and displaced them. That’s why there is a legal term called “American Indians” - these are the native tribes of the lower 48 states that were impacted by US Federal expansion. The same goes to Alska Natives because they became a state. The native tribes the Latinos descend from have no treaties/agreements with the US federal government hence they are not counted in “American Indian/Alaska Native”
@@karlos_infamous that's not always true, I wasn't raised in my father's tribe as he wasn't as well. In Mexico the need to work for survival takes more precedent over caring about focusing on the past, but he's still yaqui by blood not culture or status. The yaqui are recognized in Mexico, and the United States as well. Some tribes had the misfortune of having their ancestral lands on both sides of america/mexico borders.
@@timasuna1756 i am aware that the Yaqui tribe exists in both the US/Mexico. However, the US government is only concerned with the specific Yaqui band (sub-tribe) within their border which is the Pascua Yaqui tribe. Other sub-tribes of Yaqui (those located in the Mexican border) are not federally recognized by the US.
@@karlos_infamous The way native Americans are going in the US, I don't see them lasting more than a century. At least in Mexico to claim native status, you need to be involved with the tribe and culture, speak the language etc. In America they seem to have accepted being slowly absorbed by whites/blacks, the pushback on blood quantum seems to be a sign they are ok with just being hollowed out by other groups of people. Being native should be blood, culture, and excluding others lacking both. But I don't think they have it in them
Boozhoo Aaniin! I am Anishnabeg from Nipissing First Nation. (In ON canada). And a lot of people say that canada doesn't use blood quantum, but we really do use it in everything but name. Since the 80s Indian status is set into two categories, 6(1) and 6(2). If you are enrolled with 6(2) status, your children are not eligible for status unless their other parent is also enrolled under the Indian act. They call it the second generation cut off. For example if only one of your grandparents is enrolled and they are under 6(1), your parent is enrolled under 6(2), you are ineligible for status even though you're 1/4 by blood quantum. (The only real caveat is that if one of your parents is 6(1) and one is 6(2) you are entitled to be enrolled under 6(1). Or if both of your parents are 6(2) you are enrolled as a 6(1). But we've only had this system since the 90s I believe, before that it was generally considered more strict)
Nice couchiching First Nation , my mom is native but her father is a white but before all that all of her grandparents from her mothers side and all have been native ojibwe , my grandmother is consider full and my mom is half and I’m consider a quarter, it’s funny but my dad is Mexican and I grew up Mexican and speaking Spanish but by DNA I and more than a quarter NA , genetically speaking
Oh hello, I myself have distant Nipissing, and Wyandote-Huron, as my uncle was named Atsena, of the bear clan (I know not Nipissing), and as we know natives up north met with other groups and were not endogamous to only their home tribes. Do, if you can, find/read about Marie-Olivier-Sylvestre...the daughter of Roch Manitoubouache and Ouchibahabanoukeoeou, and Atsena du Plat. Obviously this is far away, but the history got buried and I am glad to have found it.
The Tribes decide who their kin are, as its always been. If you're engaged and educated about the culture, language and history, then you are an asset to your Tribe. I'm Federally enrolled and I see that as a privilege and a responsibility.
I'm part of the Seminole nation of Oklahoma my mother and grandpa brought me up native however because my mother married outside race I was not allowed within there tribe the Sac and fox nation I would say I am deeply sad I'm not enough to be apart of there tribe when I was brought up that way. just outta curiosity would you consider me native?
Well, you are just as much native as you are anything else. So yes. I am 43% snd an enrolled member of my tribe (choctaw). I consider myself white and Native American. I claim to be both., because that is what I am. I am not going to deny one side of my heritage for the other.
I don't know about the Seminoles of Oklahoma, but the Seminoles of Florida take tribal enrollment very seriously in order to preserve their culture. You should be blood related to a tribal member no later than 1957, have at least a quarter blood quantum, adhere to the culture, speak the language, have a sponsor, and be accepted by the community. They'll vote on whether or not you can be enrolled. If you have all that and still were not approved, then there's nothing you can do. At the very least, you know your heritage, you know your culture since your mother and grandpa brought you up within the tribe, and you know your ancestry. What other people outside the tribe think is irrelevant because it's what you and your family know to be true.
I think here in the U.S. tribes should reform their ENROLLMENT POLICY to include in their tribes those that identify themselves as tribal/Indian/American Indian/Native American/that particular tribe instead of leaving people out of the tribe to struggle to live and work in the general U.S. population, which isn't fair.
I am third decent but traditionally it doesn't count beacause my Father's Nation says you are what your Mother is. There's a difference between being Native and part native,there are people out on Long Island that have very little iff any Native blood and they lie and tell tourists that there full blooded,this is disrespect to people that are really full blooded.My Paternal Grandfather is full blooded,I know what they look like and can't be fooled by anyone.
If your grandkids turn out black/white, and you choose to not involve them in tribal culture, you are 100% contributing to the colonialization problem. You can not change the racial makeup of an already born person. But you can install values, culture, and traditions. I fail to see how Natives who exclude low quantums Natives are helping the situation. They are making it worse! You criticize natives for having children outside their race and failing to preserve your precious arbitrary phenotypes(which ironically is what the Nazis preached and everyone called them out for their racist BS), and yet what are you doing? EXCLUDING them from the culture. So now indigenous people are going extinct racially, but also culturally as well. That's what YOU are doing. Do you think the death of Native people only exist within a physical context? Is that all that we are? Skin tone and face shape? Expand your idea of indigenous identity. Ostracizing entire biological members of your family from cultural traditions and heavily implying they are not worthy to carry on the torch of our ancestors is anti love and a complete cultural death. Because I guarantee you in 3,000 years human beings won't look like what they are today. Everything in nature changes and nothing is permanent.
Please be realistic , Being a Christian and reading and hearing about the Bible the end times are near. I wouldn't worry to much about the continuation of bloodlines in the future. But advice your children to only marry other natives and shun the Anglo.
lady what you are saying is akin to a person preaching black power, then having children with a white woman. You can not claim to be preserving something, then actively engage in diminishing the very thing you claim to care about.
Your mind just goes into mental gymnastics to make the irrational, appear rational. Just say you act as if you care, while you make the thing you care about dissapear
@@timasuna1756 And excluding your white/black biological family members from the culture is ALSO diminishing it. We don't just stay alive through physical looks, but also stories, values, language, ect. also. How does telling your low blood members that they can't participate in the community improve the situation? It doesn't. It makes it WORSE. A low blood quantum member who actually preserves their culture is in my opinion equal to a high blood quantum that doesn't participate in ANY way. High blood quantums that don't carry on traditions and want to piggyback on their genetics alone (which wasn't a choice to be born that way. Just random chance) and not put the effort in are killing the identity of their tribe too. It's super insulating to your great great grandparents to flaunt your high percentage looks and think that's "good enough". Unlike genetics , we have a choice to involve and educate ourselves. Unless you are being ripped from your tribal participation in a boarding school, you are CHOOSING to be ignorant about your roots. And the ones who don't participate or tell low blood quantums that they can't participate, are snuffing out the indigenous spirit as well. My biological Ojibwe grandfather through a combination of societal pressure and individual choice did not learn a lot of Anishinaabemowin. And the little he did have, he didn't pass it down to our grandkids. But I'm learning the language now. I'm reversing the loss of culture. I may be a low quantum, but culturally Annishinabe culture will still be a part of me and I'm doing everything in my power to learn more.
@@RavenFeathers90 Sorry lady, I'm completely uncompromising on this. If a tribe becomes a group of mixed bloods, its a dead tribe, point blank period. I won't join a lie, to appease peoples feelings or join them in a false reality. If natives took on this approach, they might actually survive another century. Your way of thinking guarantees they'll just fade away.
Hello, do you know if there is a dialogue between natives peoples and some representants of disappearing languages in Europe like Gaelic or occitan, somewhere on the internet ? I know the two situation are differents, and the Native's situation is worst, but this type of dialogue could interest me (in both cases it is an attempt to destroy a culture)
I'm kinda sad that many modern-day tribal members from Native American tribes are already white passing and they no longer look like the 17th century full-blood native ancestors. I know that some will say that blood quantum is a form of colonial mentality but isn't marrying outside of your race also a form of colonial mentality?
@@goblin3784 but it will somehow weaken the Native identity. I observed that the younger generation of these mixed white-Native relationships are white-passing (1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so on) and as a result, they don’t feel “native enough” so they don’t practice Native traditions and cultures anymore and would exclusively practice Anglo American (white) culture. They are already happy that they have native blood but they no longer participate in powwows, traditional storytelling, ceremonial practices, knowing native history and languages, interacting with other native tribes, etc.
@@karlos_infamous white culture isnt a real thing and generally speaking full blooded natives dont practice their traditions its from colonialism and the lack of general knowledge boarding schools erased our history in a lot of aspects and that still affects both mixed and full blooded natives im half euro half native and i grew up in a tribal commmunity that has a lot of cultural detachment in it and america is a "melting pot" so you also have a lot of aspects of native culture that have been warped and misrepresented in media we also have a lot of natives south of the US who are either ashamed or dont know they are native race mixing is not the problem
@@goblin3784 white culture is a real thing. If you practice traditions and ideals that originate from Anglo or European influence, that is white culture. A lot of full blood natives practice their language and traditions. Examples are the Navajo and the Lakota people. Native culture has indeed been misrepresented by media so Native peoples should know better. White people can misrepresent Native culture all they want but its up to Natives to stand up to those things and tell their own story and correct those misrepresentations. Like what i mentioned, if the native blood is diluted, the resulting descendants will feel less connected with the native identity, culture and traditions. They will have feelings such as “i am too white looking and If i practice native culture, some natives might accuse me of appropriating native culture” or “i am not native enough to participate in dances, ceremonies and powwows”. I am not discouraging mixed race marriages. I am just saying that too much of it can weaken the native identity and culture.
I find blood quantum hurtful bc the love of my life is native American. And if we had kids I'd love them no matter the blood quantum. Blood quantum destroys love for ones self and a sense of community.
On lakota land bases the blood degree split is because the homesteader immigrant 1934 ira tribal member Indian operator subsidized subleaser has privatized the treaty guaranteed sedentary economy that was to replace the mobile buffalo economy and is primary reason for the poverty that is being blamed on incompetent true lakota.
I think what you are saying here is that a Hunter-gatherer way of life was turned into an agrarian one. The upside of growing your food -- being a farmer-- is that you can feed a larger number of people, but you have to work harder to do it. This story is as old as the Bible, and it is the inevitable result of a growing population. The Buffalo has been reintroduced to a certain extent, but raising them for food is still agrarian.
What does $5 DOLLAR INDIAN MEANS WHAT THE ANCIENT COPPER COLORED INDIANS THAT WAS HERE PLUS BLOOD QUATUM WAS GREATED TO SEPARATE THE COPPER COLORED INDIANS ITS A LAW
@@timwarcloud blacks say there is a tribe of Natives N the south thats called Blackfoot🤣 and thats where they come from🤣, but there are no tribe N the south called Blackfoot. They erroneously believe the word black in Blackfoot means Blackfoot are blacks🤣🤣
@@timwarcloud also, blacks hear a lot how Native can have one or more tribes in their ancestry, so they want to copy the same as Natives do, by putting one or more tribes together to make it sound like they must be believed if there have more than one Native tribe N them, so they like the word black N Blackfoot & put it together with Choctaw or cherokee not knowing that, like you said, thats its highly unlikely, Bcuz they can't understand how Native Americans really are. This is how N.A. know they are liars, but they can't comprehend it.🤣🤣🤣🤣
In canada- there are a lot of First Nations people that are mixed blood. The real mixed blood people- Metis, know who we are- but wwe have noticed that there is a lot of chiefs in canada that sure look white to us.. blood quantum doesn’t mean anything- it’s your heart that counts, and your ancestor will lift you up.
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My father was sent to Father Flannigan's home in California where he was boarded and got beat a lot. He was sexually abused too. I am not enrolled because he had me with my white mom while he was still married to another woman, so he never signed my birth certificate. I was born in 1950, and at 72 years old I still have regrets about how I fight with my native family cause I'm too white and with my white family cause I'm too Indian. I don't have my Dakota language but I do have lots of my culture. I still do many ceremonies (had to give up Inipi cause of blood pressure) and I go to every pow wow I can. the whole blood quantum thing is government control. Too sad how it never ends!
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I'm a quarter and part of the Seminole nation I was brought up native by my mom and grandpa whos part of the Sac and fox nation I was not included in the tribe because my mother married outside would you say I'm not native american? when my whole life I was brought up culturally and taught I was.
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There's a difference between being Native and part native,we must respect the full bloods,
No deference to those with "full blood" status please! It's one thing to use this to ensure that those who are visibly Indigenous and living in poverty and suffering, ie lack of proper utilities, water, power, etc on some reservations. I want all the resources to go there. But as far as the indigenous nations, it is exclusively their right to choose the ways in which people may affiliate. While my skin is white, my Great Grandfather was Shawanooki adopted into Cherokee Nation. I am working to enrollment so I can learn and also honor the nation that honored my relatives by adopting them, so I feel a need to pay that debt, and it is an honor to do so.
But all people in the nations ought to be respected, understanding that there may indeed be some wisdom in what you said, as maybe these full blooded people have a greater connection to the culture and knowledge of our traditional ways.
All I know is that I feel it is important to shed the false identity of "white" and refer to myself as mixed European and Indigenous. Whiteness is constructed, and while false, it is also a very functional system made to place people that look like me at the top of society, and the rest just assumed to be inferior.
This is a demonstrably unbalanced and evil ideology.
All human beings are human beings.
We all ought to be acting like humann beings for once.
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There are 300 plus people in my tribe...Agua Calienta Band of Cahulla Indians, and they put a cap on the total amount of enrolled tribal people! What a crime. We have some full bloodied individuals who aren't enrolled in the tribe because they didn't qualify from the ENROLLMENT POLICY for this tribe so they don't benefit from the 3 casinos, tribal social events, medical coverage...etc. So messed up. If U.S. tribes reformed their enrollment policy to include those who identify as Native American from a particular tribe, then we would have a bigger tribe with a better idea of what we all look like...
Unfortunately I personally do think we have to continue to use dna/blood quantum because many non Indigenous people and non Indigenous Black people are claiming to be Indigenous because mom tells them their grandparents were Indigenous
Black Cherokees exist. They were held as slaves.
It's a bit of a catch 22 unfortunately. I understand why the tribes should. I'm of Cherokee descent and I know from seeing the stereotypical "I'm from a Cherokee princess" Karens why I get the shit I do. But at the same time, what my great grandma went through was incredibly sad. She hid her heritage because of how racist Arkansas was at the time to the point I know very little of my family, and now I get shit on by members in the tribe that are even paler and have less features than me when I literally look like the
Warriors of AniKituhwa just with some German features because of all this... dna shows about 5% on my mom's side, and 10% on my dad's. (YDNA)
To boot I didn't know I had native American ancestry in my early teens and all I really could tell was I had a very different face than most of my white friends. I honestly could relate more to my Hispanic friends despite my paler complection. But when I saw my teeth and facial structures, I honestly couldn't help but think of the Urak-Hai in Lord of the Rings in the mirror... which I already was predisposed to social anxiety... you can guess what happened next. I was raised by an aunt and uncle not my parents, so further making me realize these differences...
I have been calling people like me the Lost Ones. We clearly have native ancestry but for various reasons aren't connected to a tribe.
What is sad about this is that latin americans are not counted amongst native american despite the fact that native ancestry is much higher among Latin Americans. Who is counted as native and allowed to think of themselves as native is paper genocide in latin America where people are taught they are hispanic when in fact they are either pure blooded or mixed race natives. If latin people were properly listed the in the native numbers the number of natives would jump exponentially. There are 8 million puerto ricans alone who are mixed race native americans who are socially constructed as hispanic....
Do they want to be native American or just for benefits? Because the Puerto Ricans that I know look down on natives and don’t want to be recognized as native.
@@lenatsosie yes cultural conditioning historical erasure colonization and exploitation are a part of the native experience...puerto ricans in the island oftentimes dont know there own history..let alone in the united states but there are growing movements..throughout the carribean to reclaim our cultute and this is no differemt than many tribes throughout the americas.....how many "full blooded" indians don't look down on indians
@@lenatsosie im from boriken and we have used bits of our indigenous language and culture everyday..i was told we were indigenous all my childhood.. but its been so integrated and even looked down in history( endangered our survival) so many people rather indentify with the colonial identity. we know we would never financially benifit from being recognized indian but in the way of reconnecting and land rights and governance...so only maybe a third of actual indigenous people on the island care unfortunately. however we are growing and its Beautiful and certainly changing things. i see it like any other people on earth..many just dont care about roots, identity or this planet unfortunately.
@@lenatsosie both, I still want money for food
Puerto Ricans are predominantly of Spanish/ Portuguese descent( according to dna 🧬 tests)
Their culture is mainly of Spanish offshoot. It would be silly to drop your majority ancestry to identify as something you only have 15% of.
Puerto Ricans are Hispanic first.
As a native in Oklahoma I'm mostly white but my cwy family is who I grew up with I'm not saying I'm fully emersed but I'm trying love stomp dance love my clan and my tribe and trying to learn the language that's all I can do if it's not good enough ok, I'm not the kind to ask for a hand out just proud of the culture wado negada
I’m a mutt. Most of my Pops family were Old Settlers and Western and have been there a long time. I’m lighter skinned but my Grandma taught me a lot about food, language and tribal history. She didn’t share much with my Pops generation because she wanted them to blend in and was taught to be ashamed of that part of our heritage. My Gramps Mother was mixed blood Ojibwe but was given up for adoption or a boarding school when young, so she never knew the culture that well. I think there are plenty people like that out there. The ones I can’t stand are those who lie and pretend they have that heritage. I was told that we’re either native or not and to be proud of all our heritage. I understand the difficulty with nations crunching numbers to maintain the integrity of the culture, resources, tribal benefits, etc., though. Tough decisions.
Im only half and i was raised without knowing anything about the tribe, all these comments makes me feel like a fraud for saying im native
Erasure is part of the white man's strategy and is part of the native experience...black people don't have to enlist with a tribe to be black...why do you feel like you have to feel enrolled or culturally to be indian. You can choose the culture and experiences now. I disnt attend a powow until I was an adult and no one else in my family goes at all.
@@travelingva i apreciate that, i really do, its just that i feel disheartned when i get shot down for not meeting a checklist
@@chesterciervo4330 I hope you will attend all events that are relevant for you, wherever you may be. My entire life I have attended pow wows and had close relations with natives yet had no idea of my heritage until I had my DNA done and its far away ancestry, but its there. And so if you can connect it could be a very good thing even just to feel more whole, you do not have to be an enrolled member.
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You are who you are and no tribal council, or anyone else can take that from you. They don't have to officially recognize you but they didn't give you your heart or your DNA. The ones who reject you didn't create you so you weren't created in their image but in the image of the Almighty Creator, which holds power. Allow the rejection and sadness to make you a stronger, more powerful son of The Principle People. Pain is a very powerful medicine, it can be used to destroy, or, for growth. Walk your own path friend, it was laid out only for you, no one else can tell you how to walk it. 🦅🪶🪶🪶🪶
Messy. With mixed White, Native, and African heritages - it was interesting that there was no record keeping on my mother's side, my Black and Native ancestors. After the US Civil War, Black people became citizens, but Natives did not, until the 1920's. So for the many mixed African/Native families, it was far safer to be identified as Black than Native, so you would face much less threat of removal, violent eradication, or having your children seized and sent to the boarding schools. So many of these families submerged into the Black subculture and kept NO records until the mid 20th century, and there was a cultural taboo about talking about any Native heritage - for survival.
Blood quanta, absolutely no clue. But I'm glad I am here to wonder about it and tell this story.
Too many black people claiming to be native with little to no native blood. Even worse you have many blacks claiming blacks are the real natives.
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Those Blacks who have adopted that "indigenous aboriginal" thing never can explain how Blacks became indigenous to North America.
@@LuisRamirez-vv4dk this makes no sense. In Australia both the native tribe called the Torres Strait Islanders and mainland Aboriginal Australian tribe look ethnically black. The original Natives in the US had skin as dark as black people. They could have easily passed as black with braided hair and many did to avoid removal but those were the ones who lived in urban towns outside of the reserves but that didn't happen until the 80s when native families started to leave the reserves. Many blacks are mixed with Native. In the Philippines the Native Aeata tribe look ethnically black too. The watered down white looking native you see today with light tan skin is barely native.
Who would want to admit they have blk in them ?
@@Joseph-zd7kg I hate it when ppl try to make it sound like all Native Americans look white. Go to an Indian school, or a Indian reservation, or the Native American Universty N Lawrence KS, or Oklahoma were there are hundres of thousands of fullblood Native Americans still living there & they don't look white at all, these Native Americans still look like Geronimo, Chief Sitting Bull & ChiefJoseph. Not all N.A. are mix-bloods.
I do not like blood quantum because my nephew is 1/8th and he is fully legally adopted by my grandmother who is fully native which makes angry with my tribe because they will not provide my grandmother public assistance or subsidized services because my nephew is not NATIVE enough by blood.
I am sorry for that experience. I hope it can change for the sake of survival of the nations.
I'm sorry but as a native, enrolled, I take issue with not testing. Science does not care about our feelings. If blood does not matter then If mark my words native nations will be white nations because that is the biggest mix of blood among native populations. Testing reveals this and whites get their privileges under the guise of native identity. Whether you believe quantum is designed to eliminate us is up to you. I believe that I believe that elimination elimination comes by way of continually mixing up-and-up the white line...I mean how can we trust their paperwork? It's not ironclad! DNA works! 100%
I agree. Basically native blood will be so minuscule that its practically non-existent. It's another form of colonization by breeding us out
You are correct I agree. Native dna matters.
@@1sav110 For many tribes that is already the case.
What do you think the cut off percentage should be?
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Totally agree with you. if these race mixing with non-natives continue, the Native American identity will weaken. However, I do believe that the Native community has also to resolve their internal problems/issues so that Natives will not have to look for love/partners outside of their community.
They don't call us Gen X for no reason...I hope this can be resolved. Many descendants are now considered "allies" and it hurts...just really hurts. Our ancestors got divided, and how can people say this must be continuous. My distant grandmother was adopted, but still close to her father, but she was raised the "French way" and married a French man. They were the first official mixed marriage of Canada. My grandmother was popped into boarding school...a very stressed out woman. So many family secrets.
Great stuff! Proud of the eternal culture based in Earth, Water, Air, and Fire. No end. One sacred circle.
Are Native Americans being under-counted?
I wanna compare this with Black people in the U.S. In the U.S you don't have to have a particular blood quantum or physical appearance to be Black. Also Blacks from the Caribbean and Africa are counted as Black. These things help to boost the numbers for Black-Americans.
With Native Americans you have to meet a certain blood quantum and it seems like Latino people who are mostly Native in the U.S tend to fall in the Latino/Hispanic category. What if those people were counted as being Native American? Wouldn't that boost the numbers of Native Americans in the U.S? That's what I meant about Native Americans being under-counted.
Hello. You are right that Latino immigrants have Native American blood. However, the US federal government is only concerned with Native American tribes whom they had treaties with because they basically took their lands and displaced them. That’s why there is a legal term called “American Indians” - these are the native tribes of the lower 48 states that were impacted by US Federal expansion. The same goes to Alska Natives because they became a state. The native tribes the Latinos descend from have no treaties/agreements with the US federal government hence they are not counted in “American Indian/Alaska Native”
@@karlos_infamous that's not always true, I wasn't raised in my father's tribe as he wasn't as well. In Mexico the need to work for survival takes more precedent over caring about focusing on the past, but he's still yaqui by blood not culture or status. The yaqui are recognized in Mexico, and the United States as well. Some tribes had the misfortune of having their ancestral lands on both sides of america/mexico borders.
@@timasuna1756 i am aware that the Yaqui tribe exists in both the US/Mexico. However, the US government is only concerned with the specific Yaqui band (sub-tribe) within their border which is the Pascua Yaqui tribe. Other sub-tribes of Yaqui (those located in the Mexican border) are not federally recognized by the US.
@@karlos_infamous I'm aware of that, my point was some tribes are recognized by whatever side they are on officially.
@@karlos_infamous The way native Americans are going in the US, I don't see them lasting more than a century. At least in Mexico to claim native status, you need to be involved with the tribe and culture, speak the language etc. In America they seem to have accepted being slowly absorbed by whites/blacks, the pushback on blood quantum seems to be a sign they are ok with just being hollowed out by other groups of people. Being native should be blood, culture, and excluding others lacking both. But I don't think they have it in them
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I am Anishnabeg from Nipissing First Nation. (In ON canada). And a lot of people say that canada doesn't use blood quantum, but we really do use it in everything but name. Since the 80s Indian status is set into two categories, 6(1) and 6(2). If you are enrolled with 6(2) status, your children are not eligible for status unless their other parent is also enrolled under the Indian act. They call it the second generation cut off. For example if only one of your grandparents is enrolled and they are under 6(1), your parent is enrolled under 6(2), you are ineligible for status even though you're 1/4 by blood quantum. (The only real caveat is that if one of your parents is 6(1) and one is 6(2) you are entitled to be enrolled under 6(1). Or if both of your parents are 6(2) you are enrolled as a 6(1). But we've only had this system since the 90s I believe, before that it was generally considered more strict)
Nice couchiching First Nation , my mom is native but her father is a white but before all that all of her grandparents from her mothers side and all have been native ojibwe , my grandmother is consider full and my mom is half and I’m consider a quarter, it’s funny but my dad is Mexican and I grew up Mexican and speaking Spanish but by DNA I and more than a quarter NA , genetically speaking
Oh hello, I myself have distant Nipissing, and Wyandote-Huron, as my uncle was named Atsena, of the bear clan (I know not Nipissing), and as we know natives up north met with other groups and were not endogamous to only their home tribes. Do, if you can, find/read about Marie-Olivier-Sylvestre...the daughter of Roch Manitoubouache and Ouchibahabanoukeoeou, and Atsena du Plat. Obviously this is far away, but the history got buried and I am glad to have found it.
The Tribes decide who their kin are, as its always been. If you're engaged and educated about the culture, language and history, then you are an asset to your Tribe. I'm Federally enrolled and I see that as a privilege and a responsibility.
I'm part of the Seminole nation of Oklahoma my mother and grandpa brought me up native however because my mother married outside race I was not allowed within there tribe the Sac and fox nation I would say I am deeply sad I'm not enough to be apart of there tribe when I was brought up that way. just outta curiosity would you consider me native?
I'm a minor member within my tribe Seminole nation of Oklahoma
Well, you are just as much native as you are anything else. So yes. I am 43% snd an enrolled member of my tribe (choctaw). I consider myself white and Native American. I claim to be both., because that is what I am. I am not going to deny one side of my heritage for the other.
I don't know about the Seminoles of Oklahoma, but the Seminoles of Florida take tribal enrollment very seriously in order to preserve their culture. You should be blood related to a tribal member no later than 1957, have at least a quarter blood quantum, adhere to the culture, speak the language, have a sponsor, and be accepted by the community. They'll vote on whether or not you can be enrolled. If you have all that and still were not approved, then there's nothing you can do. At the very least, you know your heritage, you know your culture since your mother and grandpa brought you up within the tribe, and you know your ancestry. What other people outside the tribe think is irrelevant because it's what you and your family know to be true.
I think here in the U.S. tribes should reform their ENROLLMENT POLICY to include in their tribes those that identify themselves as tribal/Indian/American Indian/Native American/that particular tribe instead of leaving people out of the tribe to struggle to live and work in the general U.S. population, which isn't fair.
I am third decent but traditionally it doesn't count beacause my Father's Nation says you are what your Mother is. There's a difference between being Native and part native,there are people out on Long Island that have very little iff any Native blood and they lie and tell tourists that there full blooded,this is disrespect to people that are really full blooded.My Paternal Grandfather is full blooded,I know what they look like and can't be fooled by anyone.
If your grandkids turn out black/white, and you choose to not involve them in tribal culture, you are 100% contributing to the colonialization problem. You can not change the racial makeup of an already born person. But you can install values, culture, and traditions.
I fail to see how Natives who exclude low quantums Natives are helping the situation. They are making it worse! You criticize natives for having children outside their race and failing to preserve your precious arbitrary phenotypes(which ironically is what the Nazis preached and everyone called them out for their racist BS), and yet what are you doing? EXCLUDING them from the culture. So now indigenous people are going extinct racially, but also culturally as well. That's what YOU are doing. Do you think the death of Native people only exist within a physical context? Is that all that we are? Skin tone and face shape? Expand your idea of indigenous identity. Ostracizing entire biological members of your family from cultural traditions and heavily implying they are not worthy to carry on the torch of our ancestors is anti love and a complete cultural death.
Because I guarantee you in 3,000 years human beings won't look like what they are today. Everything in nature changes and nothing is permanent.
Please be realistic , Being a Christian and reading and hearing about the Bible the end times are near. I wouldn't worry to much about the continuation of bloodlines in the future. But advice your children to only marry other natives and shun the Anglo.
lady what you are saying is akin to a person preaching black power, then having children with a white woman. You can not claim to be preserving something, then actively engage in diminishing the very thing you claim to care about.
Your mind just goes into mental gymnastics to make the irrational, appear rational. Just say you act as if you care, while you make the thing you care about dissapear
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And excluding your white/black biological family members from the culture is ALSO diminishing it. We don't just stay alive through physical looks, but also stories, values, language, ect. also. How does telling your low blood members that they can't participate in the community improve the situation? It doesn't. It makes it WORSE. A low blood quantum member who actually preserves their culture is in my opinion equal to a high blood quantum that doesn't participate in ANY way. High blood quantums that don't carry on traditions and want to piggyback on their genetics alone (which wasn't a choice to be born that way. Just random chance) and not put the effort in are killing the identity of their tribe too.
It's super insulating to your great great grandparents to flaunt your high percentage looks and think that's "good enough". Unlike genetics , we have a choice to involve and educate ourselves. Unless you are being ripped from your tribal participation in a boarding school, you are CHOOSING to be ignorant about your roots. And the ones who don't participate or tell low blood quantums that they can't participate, are snuffing out the indigenous spirit as well. My biological Ojibwe grandfather through a combination of societal pressure and individual choice did not learn a lot of Anishinaabemowin. And the little he did have, he didn't pass it down to our grandkids. But I'm learning the language now. I'm reversing the loss of culture. I may be a low quantum, but culturally Annishinabe culture will still be a part of me and I'm doing everything in my power to learn more.
@@RavenFeathers90 Sorry lady, I'm completely uncompromising on this. If a tribe becomes a group of mixed bloods, its a dead tribe, point blank period. I won't join a lie, to appease peoples feelings or join them in a false reality. If natives took on this approach, they might actually survive another century. Your way of thinking guarantees they'll just fade away.
how "pure" is cathy chavers?
Hello, do you know if there is a dialogue between natives peoples and some representants of disappearing languages in Europe like Gaelic or occitan, somewhere on the internet ? I know the two situation are differents, and the Native's situation is worst, but this type of dialogue could interest me (in both cases it is an attempt to destroy a culture)
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I'm kinda sad that many modern-day tribal members from Native American tribes are already white passing and they no longer look like the 17th century full-blood native ancestors. I know that some will say that blood quantum is a form of colonial mentality but isn't marrying outside of your race also a form of colonial mentality?
willingly marrying outside of your race is not colonial mentality
@@goblin3784 but it will somehow weaken the Native identity. I observed that the younger generation of these mixed white-Native relationships are white-passing (1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so on) and as a result, they don’t feel “native enough” so they don’t practice Native traditions and cultures anymore and would exclusively practice Anglo American (white) culture. They are already happy that they have native blood but they no longer participate in powwows, traditional storytelling, ceremonial practices, knowing native history and languages, interacting with other native tribes, etc.
@@karlos_infamous white culture isnt a real thing and generally speaking full blooded natives dont practice their traditions its from colonialism and the lack of general knowledge boarding schools erased our history in a lot of aspects and that still affects both mixed and full blooded natives im half euro half native and i grew up in a tribal commmunity that has a lot of cultural detachment in it and america is a "melting pot" so you also have a lot of aspects of native culture that have been warped and misrepresented in media we also have a lot of natives south of the US who are either ashamed or dont know they are native race mixing is not the problem
(replying to myself) there are also some indigenous communties that are historically mixed like the Métis come to mind
@@goblin3784 white culture is a real thing. If you practice traditions and ideals that originate from Anglo or European influence, that is white culture.
A lot of full blood natives practice their language and traditions. Examples are the Navajo and the Lakota people.
Native culture has indeed been misrepresented by media so Native peoples should know better. White people can misrepresent Native culture all they want but its up to Natives to stand up to those things and tell their own story and correct those misrepresentations.
Like what i mentioned, if the native blood is diluted, the resulting descendants will feel less connected with the native identity, culture and traditions. They will have feelings such as “i am too white looking and If i practice native culture, some natives might accuse me of appropriating native culture” or “i am not native enough to participate in dances, ceremonies and powwows”. I am not discouraging mixed race marriages. I am just saying that too much of it can weaken the native identity and culture.
I find blood quantum hurtful bc the love of my life is native American. And if we had kids I'd love them no matter the blood quantum. Blood quantum destroys love for ones self and a sense of community.
On lakota land bases the blood degree split is because the homesteader immigrant 1934 ira tribal member Indian operator subsidized subleaser has privatized the treaty guaranteed sedentary economy that was to replace the mobile buffalo economy and is primary reason for the poverty that is being blamed on incompetent true lakota.
I have heard they are bringing the buffalo back...no? I hope so. I remember them in the 70s but they truly disappeared.
I think what you are saying here is that a Hunter-gatherer way of life was turned into an agrarian one. The upside of growing your food -- being a farmer-- is that you can feed a larger number of people, but you have to work harder to do it. This story is as old as the Bible, and it is the inevitable result of a growing population. The Buffalo has been reintroduced to a certain extent, but raising them for food is still agrarian.
All lines watered down. Especially if they white skined , blue or green eyed
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What does $5 DOLLAR INDIAN MEANS WHAT THE ANCIENT COPPER COLORED INDIANS THAT WAS HERE PLUS BLOOD QUATUM WAS GREATED TO SEPARATE THE COPPER COLORED INDIANS ITS A LAW
Copper colored? There are no copper colored NA.
Yes ther is I'm one of them Choctaw and Blackfoot
@mr.blaq-thebeast9163 the Blackfeet are from Montana and Canada. Highly unlikely.
@@timwarcloud blacks say there is a tribe of Natives N the south thats called Blackfoot🤣 and thats where they come from🤣, but there are no tribe N the south called Blackfoot. They erroneously believe the word black in Blackfoot means Blackfoot are blacks🤣🤣
@@timwarcloud also, blacks hear a lot how Native can have one or more tribes in their ancestry, so they want to copy the same as Natives do, by putting one or more tribes together to make it sound like they must be believed if there have more than one Native tribe N them, so they like the word black N Blackfoot & put it together with Choctaw or cherokee not knowing that, like you said, thats its highly unlikely, Bcuz they can't understand how Native Americans really are. This is how N.A. know they are liars, but they can't comprehend it.🤣🤣🤣🤣
In canada- there are a lot of First Nations people that are mixed blood. The real mixed blood people- Metis, know who we are- but wwe have noticed that there is a lot of chiefs in canada that sure look white to us.. blood quantum doesn’t mean anything- it’s your heart that counts, and your ancestor will lift you up.
Why is the dead bring videotaped and on display? So disrespectful. Hard to believe this would be traditional to her people.
how can Native Americans have Native Pride while allowing this
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My father was sent to Father Flannigan's home in California where he was boarded and got beat a lot. He was sexually abused too. I am not enrolled because he had me with my white mom while he was still married to another woman, so he never signed my birth certificate. I was born in 1950, and at 72 years old I still have regrets about how I fight with my native family cause I'm too white and with my white family cause I'm too Indian. I don't have my Dakota language but I do have lots of my culture. I still do many ceremonies (had to give up Inipi cause of blood pressure) and I go to every pow wow I can. the whole blood quantum thing is government control. Too sad how it never ends!
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Blood quantum is important. People with less than 50% native dna should not be considered native.
I'm a quarter and part of the Seminole nation I was brought up native by my mom and grandpa whos part of the Sac and fox nation I was not included in the tribe because my mother married outside would you say I'm not native american? when my whole life I was brought up culturally and taught I was.
Also by your last name I'm guessing your not half either would you consider yourself native?
They're more native then anyone else
u literally have a spanish last name
And people with Spanish last names shouldn't be considered NA.
What about black copper colored native Americans who are now called African Americans
No such thing!
Not Native. 💯
Black is not copper color. fullblood N.A. don't have black skin nor white skin.