And the amount of information he digs up. Like I look up an obscure angel/demon and don't find much (granted- my search is like 5 minutes or less of google because I just try to find something breif). Yet Tony dig's up entire books worth of information on these guys
Sad too see that Uriel got the short end of the stick. No wonder Michael, Raphael and Gabriel ended up being the popular ones thanks to them being mentioned prominently in biblical scriptures.
We definitely need more Zoroastrianism in SMT. Christianity is cool, but the Zoroastrian mythology is just so much more compelling of a base for designs and stories. A lot more cosmic and astral in nature. I'd love to see Sraosha (my favourite demon design) as a major character and some of the Zoroastrian gods as villains.
I think it is because Christianity insofar as ideas for fiction goes is very legalistic. Christianity is a highly legalistic religion, which essentially means that to use it at all you are operating within confines that if you break it is no longer Christianity. SMT goes far beyond the confines. While religions which are more mystic lend themselves better to fiction, this is why norse mythology is so good in fiction. It is highly mystical, but also has a distinct physical presence that makes it alluring in a fictional setting much like the Greek/Roman mythos.
I like the SMT design for Sraosha, feeling very alien which I like (well except for Angel and the SMT 4's Archangels being exceptions). Plus who is that Zoroastrian devil next to Sraosha because good god he looks cool.
@@Tony4You all of the Zoroastrian deities have insects as a motif for them although I'm not sure why. You can mainly tell because of all the insect wings though. Oh yeah, the demons next to sraosha are SMT IF's depiction of Ahriman on the right, and to the left is Armaiti (debut design from soul hackers)
About the whole "bibically accurate angels" schtick, angels, being spiritual beings, have no form. They can assume any form they must. Ergo, they can appear as the beings described by Ezekiel, or as humans with wings and a halo (tbf, an angel in either appearance would be intimidating enough).
Let's see, we've got... otherworldly creature, otherworldly creatures who look related... Ah, here's the one you wanted! Relentlessly intimidating big pink dude armored to the gills and looking at you like you are a snack. A snack for *his blade.*
I knew the Fate series pulled figures from history but somehow I always thought Angra Mainyu was an original character 🤯 Thank you for so unexpectedly schooling me! Keep up the amazing work!!
Technically angra mainyu is an original character. He's just a regular guy posing as the zoroastrianism devil unwillingly by his people to the point that he became a heroic spirit.
Peacocks are known in Christianity as symbols of the sin of pride so it would make sense that a prideful angel would be depicted with peacock feathers on their eyebrows, arms, and the centerpiece of their sword if you look closely
Maybe the Zoroastrian designs being more alien is to help separate them from the Christian angels, to make it clear that they are a separate group of entities while giving them a sort of unique theming of their own
Yellow is also the color associated with betrayal as it’s a reminder of disciple Judas so kazfiel being yellow and his name possibly being translated as he who lies to God could have a symbolic meaning
I really like how smt has one classification of demons for the ranks of angels and one for specific angels. Hopefully you can talk about Azrael if you make a part two (assuming you haven't already talked about him in a different video]
I'd love to see smt depiction of Turkic mythology. There are a lot of material out there. Erlik, for example(devil figure in Turkic mythology)would suit well with the series.
Outstanding work! There's so much involved in Zoroastrianism that we don't know, and what we do know should have a lot more discussion than it gets. You did amazing work with your research. Fun fact: of all people, Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian, though he probably wasn't an active worshipper most of his life. Still an interesting historical note. My only wish was that Atlus was making a new game for you to talk about, maybe with some new demons. Sure, there are a ton yet to get to with lore aplenty (Alilat is a personal favorite), but it would be great if the dark gods at Atlus would gift their community with something to push them further up the charts. Instead, we're getting an $80 digital-only release of three games I still have on my DS that I have no intention of rebuying. Solid business strategy! I'll just keep doing my part and sharing your videos with others! It's the easiest thing we can do to support you.
To be fair, Etrian Odyssey III never got re-released before, and got insanely expensive. Re-releasing the original versions of the other two, rather than their remakes though? Yeah, that's a bruh moment.
As a Persian or Iranian im surprised there's this much info on our old cool religion I thought the current government would have suppressed it like everything else
Camael immediatelly threw me some Date a Live vibes and how that series works with the Sephiroth e the Qliphoth (even if the core anime is some harem fanservice fantasy...) Anyway! The designs for Aniel and Kazfiel actually surprised me in how you can take the "accurate" Seraphim idea and apply it without it being creepy and unnerving. Bonus points for the artist for that interpretation, I liked it a lot. The Zoroastric entities have a very outlandish design but they are not alien enough(at least for me) to the point of being... huh... "Chuthullu"-ish levels of alien and different. In a way, you can say that while the world moved away from Zoroatrism, our interpretation of their entities got "distorted". Also, one thing I just noted, Aniel and Kazfiel have a very "metalic" detail in their arms (I'm talking about the ball joint on their elbow). This link them to Metatron and Sandalphon (at least when it comes to their SMT depiction) and this got my theory gears turning. As far I know, only these four angels have these metallic designs. I wonder if they have something in common? Metatron and Sandalphon have, but these 2... I don't know enough to draw enough conclusions.
Camael is super cool, the angel of war, how more epic something can be! Btw, because of this and because he associated with planet Mars, his sprite in SMT II is recolored one of Ares! Sure, this is economy, but a smart one!
"Qasviel with a Q had the role of combating the evil of demons by distributing power to worthy humans on Earth." Okay, I thought this was a video on SMT creature design. I didn't go into this expecting to learn about the design of Rin from Catherine Full Body.
Hey Tony, any chance you might make a video on the Four Mothers from Strange Journey? I just recently finished that game and while I loved it, I absolutely despise Ouroboros and Mem Aleph for forcing me to grind so much.
Great video! Any chance of Belial, Nebiros, and Alice? The whole family thing they got going on is very interesting. As well as Belial being related to Sodom and Gomorrah
So from 2001AD on, only the archangels: Gabriel, Michael and Raphael are canon as per the Catholic Pope's decree? I take it that Atlus didn't get the holy memo from the Vatican, nor care.
A quick google search gave me a glimpse of why: Translation issues. Demons in SMT are refered as 悪魔 (Akuma), which roughly translate as "Evil Spirit". "Demon" is a word that can be used to refer to Evil creatures and spirits. It's that we associate that word with the Devil and Hell (in oppose to the Angels). Maybe "Monster" would be a better word but now it's ingrained in SMT to change it.
Technically all beings other than natural creatures on earth are referred to as demons, despite their actual denomination. Same with Fairies and the like
Zoroastrianism is something I really heard about through games emabarassingly enough, through SMT and Sid Meiers Civilizatrion in particualr, when you start doing a bit of cursory reading on the religion you really start to see the syncretism between Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism where parts of myth have been inscribed into literature or absorbed into other religions.
Angels in general aren't really a subject with much information. The beings of the heavenly realm aren't touched upon much,except for the 9 orders of God, ophanim, cherubim, Yada Yada. So I'm surprised we even know about them. The demons touched upon this video. Correct if you want you are free to do so.
I love your videos, but it seems like you're struggling to find new topics to talk about. I honestly wouldn't mind you revisiting older episodes and updating them with more info, or references to newer games that got released after those videos were made.
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I will forever remember Camael for the fact that jerk started a boss fight for no reason in SMTV.
Eh he wasn't too difficult if you leveled enough. Only took me a couple tries as with most bosses.
@@MinerDiner Yeah I never found him hard, I just felt so offended
A sucker punch from the Law Faction
Tony must be one of God’s chosen because you’d need the powers of angels to keep making banger content like this!
Thanks my brother in Christ, God has blessed me and told me to talk about video games on the internet!
@@Tony4You 🤣 How ironic that one particular Christian ✝️ disagree and saying video games are Bizarre, Weird even Satanic.
And the amount of information he digs up. Like I look up an obscure angel/demon and don't find much (granted- my search is like 5 minutes or less of google because I just try to find something breif). Yet Tony dig's up entire books worth of information on these guys
Sad too see that Uriel got the short end of the stick. No wonder Michael, Raphael and Gabriel ended up being the popular ones thanks to them being mentioned prominently in biblical scriptures.
Uriel is still number 1 in our hearts
To be far, I've never met a person named Uriel but Michaels Raphaels and Gabriels are everywhere. So maybe that tidbit has something to do with it.
Wait, Raphael is in scriptures? Where?
@@CrystalKingdomGeneral4942 The Book of Enoch, and the Book of Tobit; he's also mentioned in the Qur'an (not by name, but implied to be him).
Sraosha is easily the coolest angel in the series design wise
We definitely need more Zoroastrianism in SMT. Christianity is cool, but the Zoroastrian mythology is just so much more compelling of a base for designs and stories. A lot more cosmic and astral in nature. I'd love to see Sraosha (my favourite demon design) as a major character and some of the Zoroastrian gods as villains.
Hard agree, one of the most interesting religions pre Christianity
Angra mainyu is a major antagonist in Majin Tensei games, also Ronde
Sadly in majin tensei he’s just an added final boss with not much other going on the plot
Ahriman is one of the Reason bosses in Nocturne??
I think it is because Christianity insofar as ideas for fiction goes is very legalistic. Christianity is a highly legalistic religion, which essentially means that to use it at all you are operating within confines that if you break it is no longer Christianity. SMT goes far beyond the confines.
While religions which are more mystic lend themselves better to fiction, this is why norse mythology is so good in fiction. It is highly mystical, but also has a distinct physical presence that makes it alluring in a fictional setting much like the Greek/Roman mythos.
I like the SMT design for Sraosha, feeling very alien which I like (well except for Angel and the SMT 4's Archangels being exceptions). Plus who is that Zoroastrian devil next to Sraosha because good god he looks cool.
Yeah when side by side, the Zoroastrian demons all look really cool. No idea where the idea came from, but it's great
@@Tony4You all of the Zoroastrian deities have insects as a motif for them although I'm not sure why. You can mainly tell because of all the insect wings though.
Oh yeah, the demons next to sraosha are SMT IF's depiction of Ahriman on the right, and to the left is Armaiti (debut design from soul hackers)
I sorta saw it as a way to contrast with the christian angels, like how Melchizedeck is a different style
He also has large ears lending to his role as listener, he also had the rame red cloth as his artistic depictions.
About the whole "bibically accurate angels" schtick, angels, being spiritual beings, have no form. They can assume any form they must. Ergo, they can appear as the beings described by Ezekiel, or as humans with wings and a halo (tbf, an angel in either appearance would be intimidating enough).
Let's see, we've got... otherworldly creature, otherworldly creatures who look related... Ah, here's the one you wanted! Relentlessly intimidating big pink dude armored to the gills and looking at you like you are a snack. A snack for *his blade.*
It was a real treat seeing Camael return after a long time in SMT V!
I've never even played a single second of this game but I find the lore very interesting anyway
I try to make my videos interesting for everyone, glad you like them
I knew the Fate series pulled figures from history but somehow I always thought Angra Mainyu was an original character 🤯 Thank you for so unexpectedly schooling me! Keep up the amazing work!!
Technically angra mainyu is an original character. He's just a regular guy posing as the zoroastrianism devil unwillingly by his people to the point that he became a heroic spirit.
I FINALLY DIDN'T GET JUMP SCARED AT THE INTRO!
I've always liked Sraosha's insectoid design. So weird and cool.
Finally to see Aniel and Kazfiel getting the spotlight. :3
Camael having armour that looks close to a Power’s is very appropriate, give. His station. Very nice touch.
4:11 So that’s where that Fate character is from…
Yeah I first heard about him from Fate too lol
Peacocks are known in Christianity as symbols of the sin of pride so it would make sense that a prideful angel would be depicted with peacock feathers on their eyebrows, arms, and the centerpiece of their sword if you look closely
I knew I wasn't crazy for thinking that! Thanks
So glad Tony is sponsored by THE Atlus!
Maybe the Zoroastrian designs being more alien is to help separate them from the Christian angels, to make it clear that they are a separate group of entities while giving them a sort of unique theming of their own
Yellow is also the color associated with betrayal as it’s a reminder of disciple Judas so kazfiel being yellow and his name possibly being translated as he who lies to God could have a symbolic meaning
I really like how smt has one classification of demons for the ranks of angels and one for specific angels. Hopefully you can talk about Azrael if you make a part two (assuming you haven't already talked about him in a different video]
I guess the forgotten angels were the demons we made along the way... Wait, what!
Aniel and Kazfiel are depicted with ball joint arms in SMT here for some reason. Kinda like dolls. I wonder why?
I'd love to see smt depiction of Turkic mythology. There are a lot of material out there. Erlik, for example(devil figure in Turkic mythology)would suit well with the series.
Outstanding work! There's so much involved in Zoroastrianism that we don't know, and what we do know should have a lot more discussion than it gets. You did amazing work with your research. Fun fact: of all people, Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian, though he probably wasn't an active worshipper most of his life. Still an interesting historical note.
My only wish was that Atlus was making a new game for you to talk about, maybe with some new demons. Sure, there are a ton yet to get to with lore aplenty (Alilat is a personal favorite), but it would be great if the dark gods at Atlus would gift their community with something to push them further up the charts. Instead, we're getting an $80 digital-only release of three games I still have on my DS that I have no intention of rebuying. Solid business strategy!
I'll just keep doing my part and sharing your videos with others! It's the easiest thing we can do to support you.
To be fair, Etrian Odyssey III never got re-released before, and got insanely expensive. Re-releasing the original versions of the other two, rather than their remakes though? Yeah, that's a bruh moment.
the videos where you narrate the lore of the angels are my favorite!
Babe BABE wake up Tony posted another banger just4us
Back at it again with the angelic choir! Thanks for watching
sraosha is definitely one of my favorite designs in the series
As someone that loves the mythology of angels, I greatly appreciate this video and your content as a whole.
As a Persian or Iranian im surprised there's this much info on our old cool religion
I thought the current government would have suppressed it like everything else
I hope interesting culture never truly dies. As long as there's some people to keep the memory, youtube videos help too lol
@@Tony4You True brother
Oh man I forgot about these
Great video for explaining the history of lesser known angels!
Camael immediatelly threw me some Date a Live vibes and how that series works with the Sephiroth e the Qliphoth (even if the core anime is some harem fanservice fantasy...)
Anyway! The designs for Aniel and Kazfiel actually surprised me in how you can take the "accurate" Seraphim idea and apply it without it being creepy and unnerving. Bonus points for the artist for that interpretation, I liked it a lot.
The Zoroastric entities have a very outlandish design but they are not alien enough(at least for me) to the point of being... huh... "Chuthullu"-ish levels of alien and different. In a way, you can say that while the world moved away from Zoroatrism, our interpretation of their entities got "distorted".
Also, one thing I just noted, Aniel and Kazfiel have a very "metalic" detail in their arms (I'm talking about the ball joint on their elbow). This link them to Metatron and Sandalphon (at least when it comes to their SMT depiction) and this got my theory gears turning. As far I know, only these four angels have these metallic designs. I wonder if they have something in common? Metatron and Sandalphon have, but these 2... I don't know enough to draw enough conclusions.
Camael is super cool, the angel of war, how more epic something can be! Btw, because of this and because he associated with planet Mars, his sprite in SMT II is recolored one of Ares! Sure, this is economy, but a smart one!
Sraosha and Angra Mainyu were so broken in Dx2
Oh man don't remind me. Been a while since I played the game, but they were a terror
Kazfiel also pestered Michael to reveal the true name of God to him which got him in trouble.
Kazfiel does give off angry little brother energy to Michael
I love me some Tony4(record scratch)YHWH
I mean Tony4you😂. Keep it up 👍
Praise be to (record scratch) I have people that enjoy the content
I always learn a lot from your videos thanks
The SMT II version of Haniel is my favorite. It's an adorable design.
Kazfiel's other Name Cassiel is featured in the Keys of Solomon and is in Supernatural helping the Winchesters.
"Qasviel with a Q had the role of combating the evil of demons by distributing power to worthy humans on Earth."
Okay, I thought this was a video on SMT creature design. I didn't go into this expecting to learn about the design of Rin from Catherine Full Body.
Right down to the Metatron connection, given the rough similarities between his brother's appearance and the depiction of Metatron in SMT.
I wish i could see more info about satanael, very little information out there. Definitely caught my eye both in smt and in p5.
Your videos are always enjoyable. Thank you.
Much appreciated brother!
Apples to Apples dust to dust.
Sraosha seems like a good dude
My goat with another lore vid
Hey Tony, any chance you might make a video on the Four Mothers from Strange Journey?
I just recently finished that game and while I loved it, I absolutely despise Ouroboros and Mem Aleph for forcing me to grind so much.
Angra Mainyu.....
Dark Sakura???
Great video! Any chance of Belial, Nebiros, and Alice? The whole family thing they got going on is very interesting. As well as Belial being related to Sodom and Gomorrah
He's already covered Belial in his video on the Bel demons
It's just a gag referencing smt 1
Great video as always! At this point I wonder what religion/ folklore SMT hasn’t touched on yet 🤔
Thanks a lot! I might have to make another "demons I wish were in SMT" video to see what they're missing
@@Tony4You ooh would love to see that
I think african religions or folklore are rather untouched in smt
Sraosha desing looks like something out of a Del Toro movie. All of these are Kazuma Kaneko desings right?
As far as I know, all the angels in this video are Kaneko designs
You should add reverb every once in a while to your "Tony 4 (insert random statement)" greeting.
Pope: Not mentioning Uroel
Uriel:
(._. )
>:(
I want that guy who fist fought an angel and won to be a demon
Shoutouts to Jacob my wrestling Christian
You could probably get in some hot water calling "Israel" a demon lol
@@robertbeisert3315 didnt they make jesus christ a demon? Im pretty sure we're fine lol
@Christian-gr3gu I dunno, man. Politics is a place darker than Gehenna, filled with demons SMT still has yet to identify, let alone name.
@@Christian-gr3gu Jesus was only partially depicted in the form of Messiah, who's exclusively a Persona
kinda weird you dind't mention the puppet aspect of Aniel and Kazfiel's designs
if you look at sraosha's forehead and stuff he starts looking like he's covered in ears
plus his actual ears are massive
you always know a god is obscure if one of the first search results for it is the megaten wiki
So from 2001AD on, only the archangels: Gabriel, Michael and Raphael are canon as per the Catholic Pope's decree? I take it that Atlus didn't get the holy memo from the Vatican, nor care.
Angel lord is so cool bro
i love your videos
sraosha is my favorite demon thx
He's become one of my favorites now too
Does anyone know the song that plays during Kazfiel's section?
Sraosha My beloved
Wait, so Christianity is just a fusion of the caananite faith and the zoroastrian faith? Holy shit I didn't expect this rabbit hole to be so deep, lol
Why are angels sometimes referred to as "demons" in the SMT games?
A quick google search gave me a glimpse of why: Translation issues.
Demons in SMT are refered as 悪魔 (Akuma), which roughly translate as "Evil Spirit".
"Demon" is a word that can be used to refer to Evil creatures and spirits. It's that we associate that word with the Devil and Hell (in oppose to the Angels).
Maybe "Monster" would be a better word but now it's ingrained in SMT to change it.
Technically all beings other than natural creatures on earth are referred to as demons, despite their actual denomination. Same with Fairies and the like
Sraosha for great Justice!
imma need the background music names:')
Source for the image at 5:55?
Lol for a second I thought Atlus VPN was the sponsor
Anyone know the song at the begginning?
Design wise I like Kazfiel the best but lore wise (both ingame and out) I prefer Camael.
Zoroastrianism is something I really heard about through games emabarassingly enough, through SMT and Sid Meiers Civilizatrion in particualr, when you start doing a bit of cursory reading on the religion you really start to see the syncretism between Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism where parts of myth have been inscribed into literature or absorbed into other religions.
Somehow, I think Zoroastrian was just Schizophrenic lmao
Angels in general aren't really a subject with much information. The beings of the heavenly realm aren't touched upon much,except for the 9 orders of God, ophanim, cherubim, Yada Yada. So I'm surprised we even know about them. The demons touched upon this video. Correct if you want you are free to do so.
Kazfiel based
Yooo are you a law bro too?
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I love your videos, but it seems like you're struggling to find new topics to talk about. I honestly wouldn't mind you revisiting older episodes and updating them with more info, or references to newer games that got released after those videos were made.
People might not know but there are still practicing zoroastrians in india named Parsis