Add 3 Stops of Dynamic Range to Any Camera!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- You can add three stops of dynamic range to any camera with this technique. 4k, 6k, 8k, and 12k won’t really improve your image that much, by increased dynamic range will! By using graduated ND filters, you can maintain detail in your Skys and your foreground subject. We used the new Fujifilm X-T4 for most of our test shots and some with the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k. I used the Buttery luts for all shots which were filmed in either F log or Film.
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Who is Chadwin Smith? I am an aspiring cinematographer. I love creating videos and showing others how to light and shoot better videos! I also review tech and gear. Based in Arizona, USA
Dynamic Range OR Resolution? What do you think is more important?! 🤔
Dynamic Range when the camera can record 1080p up to 60 frames.
@@potatofilmstudio4809 Totally agree! 1080p 60fps can look great, especially if you have good dynamic range.
DR for sure
Chadwin, if you're not getting 15 stops of dynamic range from your Pocket 6k, then you're doing something wrong.
DR&RAW>FPS>RESOLUTION
You can add whatever ND filters you want, you are not increasing dynamic range in the camera. You're reducing exposure and the dynamic range needed for the shot. I do agree though grad filters and many other Photo filters should be learnt and used more by film makers.
you are 100% correct! Well put. Reducing the dynamic range required to capture a good image is all part of the job of a camera op.
Actually ND filters help you to shift the dynamic range to where you need it most ☺️
@@cineffect It depends on what the sensor is doing. BM has dual ISO and RED shifts dynamic range up or down. It moves DR up when you increase ISO and moves DR down you you decrease ISO. All cameras work differently.
Technically this is not adding dynamic range. It's reducing the contrast ratio, which is effectively lowering the overall exposure and thus the dynamic range of the scene to fit into the lower range your camera is capable of. A little misleading
Not really, anyone that understands cameras knows it's not physically possible to magically increase hardware specs, when I read the title I knew it was a trick to fake the result, I don't think anyone is dumb enough to literally believe the title.
@@TheMauri0409 you'd be surprised LOL!
@@TheMauri0409 ever tried Magic Lantern? :D
@@panz1skate magic lantern doesn't improve specs of the sensor, it just gives you more flexibility in post
@@prokawriter1096 yes and no.
If software implementation limits the sensor, the result (user side) is a less powerful hardware
For all the “this isn’t more dynamic range” crowd.. obviously. But what it IS is a retention of more information from the live dynamic scene. It is pulling more dynamics within the range the sensor can handle.
What?
This was actually very interesting. One of those rare youtube videos that actually offered some real value. Thanks!
Hey thanks much! I do hope it was insightful and made sense. Dynamic range is really king most of the time 👑
This is some splendid clickbait title + icon combo. You deserve points for this sheer brilliance of this combination, alone. Alright; time to watch...
Also with the bmpcc 4k you can use the iso to help allocate where those stops of dynamic range are going to be. A high iso in the first gain will give you more stops above middle grey and a low iso in either gain will give you more stops below middle grey
yeah they have a whole graph that shows you each iso setting, stops below and above middle grey. 800 seems to be the one that gives you the most stops above middle grey.
This is the kind of content that is fun to watch. Not that-a new camera came out and now I am getting 13 reviews about the Sony a7iii...
😆 😂 yeah, there are SO MANY a7siii reviews out right now, it’s insane. I mean we’ve been waiting for the camera forever but still. I’ll prob make a rig build of it eventually but idk yet.....Thanks for watching!
Awesome tip! Never thought I would need to use graduated filters for video, but its a really great idea!
Right?! It's not something most people think of for video, but I've actually heard a lot of Hollywood DP's talk about using them on film sets so I figure lowly "youtube filmmakers" like myself could benefit from using them. haha!
i know this video is old but it's still very relevant. i've been shopping for a new to me (used) camera body and of course dr is one of the hot topics. while researching bodies i've been wondering why NO ONE has mentioned this as a work around for "poor" dr. i was a landscape photog before getting into video so gnd were already on my radar. i have both screw on and plate type filters already. this is the first video i've come across to address this topic. great info!
Wow I'm so glad that I watched this video, now I fully fully fully understand dynamic range. Now I can go out and buy several filters and my movies are going to be fantastic!
I hope this really was helpful to you! Dynamic range is often overlooked, but it’s so important and really makes the image! Best of luck shooting and with any filters you get.
For landscapes a good helper, for sure. I still need my matte box and my variable ND filter. With RAW footage, I do all specific exposure in post, or light my talents till it fits to the background.
Yeah I agree, it's awesome for landscape shots and actually works well for wides where your subjects don't cross the horizon line of the ND grad. I'm still trying to find a matte box that will allow me to use variable ND filters and ND grads, cause yes they are a must have! If you have powerful enough lights, you can definitely match your subject brightness to the background, I just usually don't in bright outdoor situations.
ND-grad and CIR-POL filters works well for reducing DR in specific shots. You see this on TV occasionally where the camera operator fail by pan or tilt too much / too hard, so the filter becomes obvious/distracting. But sure for great landscape shots etc it can look great.
yeah! They work best on landscape shots for sure! As soon as you start to do a lot of panning or tilting, they can become quite noticeable haha!
Why use a grad ND and not CPL if your only wanting to reduce sky exposure??? Then you don’t have to worry about keeping a level horizon or objects crossing the horizon into the sky??
Great video Chadwn! loving the content.
Hey thank you! Appreciate the support.
Great tip. Look like higher dynamic range to my eyes...
Wow! I totally agree that filters can extend dynamic range. In fact, I used to even put a clear plastic CD case over my super sharp/contrasty Nikkor lenses (on my first DSLR, a Nikon D70) to reduce the contrast, etc. because the D70 sensor COULD NOT handle contrast. (I was so bad without it that I couldn't use the camera outdoors, unless it was cloudy, and get a good dynamic range!) So, that may be another positive of using filters (in addition to graduated ND effects.)
haha that's awesome! I've never heard of anyone using a CD case before as a filter, but hey if it gets the job done, who cares what you use right? I think using filters is still relevant today, cause I like to get closest to the look I want in camera and do the least amount of post production possible to my footage.
@@chadwin Thanks😀 I really, really agree with the idea to keep the amount of post-production down for lots of reasons, one is I'm a believer in Dennis Reggie's r-based or "reality-based" shooting approach, which (if you're consistent with it) helps and reassures your viewers that they haven't been lied to, as it were, by post-production trickery😃
is there an automated graduate filter with servos and gyroscope similar to OSS - lets say you set horizon and servo moves glass up/down to keep bright part covered?
or LCD matrix - it can match any pattern no just top half of the frame.
That would be some pretty incredible tech! Maybe some day in the future. Of course there’s auto ND right now, but nothing that does it with graduated filters
Good stuff man! I have plenty of ND’s but not many quality graduated filters. Definitely going to keep this in mind. Keep up the great work!
Yeah man, I've been using ND's for a long time too and haven't focused on ND Grads much, but since using them more they've actually really come in handy!
I use a polarizer filter for that purpose. Works well with sunny weather.
Michael Schagen nice! Polarizers help a lot with getting skies that pop.
I am just curious, but what is the best camera for dynamic range in 2022? I am hearing the A7SIII is still king.
The a7siii and FX3 both have incredible 15+ stops of dynamic range. You can’t go wrong with either of them!!
@@chadwin Thanks so much!
The pocket 6k actually has more usable dr then the ursa g2, which is marked as 15 stops, and even in a traditional dr test the pocket actually has about 0.6 extra stops of usable dr compared to the xt3/xt4, and very suprisingly it has more highlight dr then the alexa, this was confirmed by both Juan Melara when he was making a p6k2alexa powergrade, and jsfilmz with his comparisons, and film jams with their comparisons as well, and the a6500 probably have only about 10 stops of usable dr due to the 8bit encoding.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of the DR tests on the Pocket 6k and it looks like it holds up against the classic Arri (jsfilmz did a great video yes!) That's interesting that people have found it to have a .6 stop better than the X-T4, I'll have to check out that test. From my use, I've found the 6k and the XT4 to be about equal in DR. Yeah, the a6500 definitely has much worse DR cause of 8 bit! haha
don't needed any filter if you have like braw footage. Duplicate, adjust the exposure and merge with original footage.
Sure, but then you have to feather deeply and fine tune it. Rather get the shot than worry about getting it in post.
Very useful informational video 😀
Hey thanks! I hope it helps.
@@chadwin this will help me in upcoming family events but now the problem is I have to buy some filters 🤣🤣
Everyone complaining that "this isn't real dynamic range" need to shut up, we get it. But it does do the job and at the end of the day a real film maker just wants to get the job done and this is a good budget way to get highlights and shadows exposed well. If you dont like it go buy a cinema camera but since you're here im guessing you cant.
Though I agree with your point, some of us think that terminology and definitions matter. Eases communication, conveys the right ideas and for people searching for the actual term it may lead them to things they are actually interested in.
@@randall.chamberlain yeah some people will definitely feel that way
Canon cameras very bad in dynamic range. . . .so should I get the sony A6100 over the M50 for the extra DR and low light?
I would get a sony alpha camera, fuji xt3 or BMPCC if you're looking for my dynamic range. the canons always crush colors and dynamic range in camera.
Another amazing episode Chadwin! Great job! 😀 This kind of regular content is going to make this channel blow up soon! I'll be able to say, "I knew you when...."
haha thank you for the support! I just love making videos and being a part of the filmmaking community, so we'll see where this whole thing goes.
Very good idea. Thought it was click bait at first.
Hazard 4 thanks! 😂 yeah it seems like a click bait title, but I’ve got real solutions in all my vids! Haha
Hi, this is great. So a graduated nd filter would usually make sense when filming exterior shots where the sky is prominently featured?
Roger Deakins uses this technique ;)
Shadi that he does! What a legend.
Actually used mine last week (lee filters) in an interview to darken the window. Plan on using more often.
That’s sick! I’ve been wanting to experiment with using an ND grad placed horizontally on a window indoors just to see how good it looks. Does it also darken the wall around it a lot, or is it not that noticeable?
Do you have any disadvantages when using the Rokinon lens on the XT-4 in terms of image quality? Because there is actually a "gap" between camera sensor and the lens itself. So wouldn't it be better without an adapter from a technical perspective?
P.S: Please don't feel attacked in any kind, I am just wondering ^^
Nope. I have zero issues adapting my rokinon glass to the X-T4, sony, or any other mirrorless cameras. There is a larger gap between the lens and sensor, but the way that the line up still, the image covers the sensor completely and doesn't degrade the image quality at all. I've been adapting all different lenses and cameras for years. Only issues is if you need to rely on autofocus with other non manual lenses.
You're right. And you're wrong, at the same time.
There are a bunch of videos, that "Gear doesn't matter", 1-2 years ago there was a fashion to make a video with this kind of title. Gear does matter. Gear tells me, what I'm able to do. So here on, resolution is definitely an important deal. Same for you, maybe you just don't think about. I working now on a music video, where we had very limited time, to done the job, in some cases. Here I going to profit from the big resolution and RE-FRAME the shot in post. Time consuming and such a pain in the .... but still an option which helps me to save the clip. In this cases you DO CARE about the K and maybe a lot of people cannot see a difference on a 4K monitor between 4 and 6K, but I definitely find it out, which one is which.
Do you need an 120 fps slow-mo? You got an BMPCC? Okay, so you must to go back for an 2,6 or 2,7K footage. And you says, K doesn't matter? Well, after upscale it to 4K in order to fit on the screen like your any other footage, you definitely loose details. 50 or 60 fps on max resolution is just not enough to make REAL slow mo, it's not slow to get amazed anyone.
On other hands as good I know, human eye have 25 (!!!) steps of dynamic range and nowadays cameras mostly have around 13, your with 14 is already outstanding. The idea, make it more and your solution amazed me, especially the Summit you was recommend here, really woke up my interest. Probably I gonna buy the whole set! The video is 1,5 years old and I was directly by search at the moment, I didn't found it accidently: so a HUGE THX, that you made it.
Man, I really feel better, pirce tags as many people I know. But the PolarPro isn't cheap at all, my eye rolled out like in a cartoon movie.
(I know, that my english is not the best, there are grammatical problems, but I guess the message you got, whatever..)
I really like this idea! Thanks for sharing!
awesome! I hope it inspires your own work. Thanks.
I have some old coken filters. That are glass
oh that's cool. I bet they're a much better quality in glass.
6:45 Isnt it dangerous when you have a person that is filling the whole frame? Isn§t her head too dark then?
7:10 explains it, sorry xD
Screw the megapixels screw the 4k video. Give me Dynamic Rangelike the fujifilm s3 had. That thing is a beast.
Chadwin my dude... another great video. Keep it up. I've been craving true dynamic range as well.
Thanks dude! Yes, I still can't figure out why camera manufactures don't focus on dynamic range more. It seems like it's cause people aren't asking for it as much as they're asking for high frame rates and resolution. Cinema cameras ALWAYS outperform DSLR's and that's mostly because of DR.
@@chadwin all that glitters ain't gold, resolution ain't everything if that range can't give you everything the camera should be able to pull. It'd be awesome for a solid camera but only time will tell!
Thank you mate
Genius. Thanks man definitely subscribing. This is my first video of yours.
I think this video is about Filters, Not about Dynamic Range.
🤔🤔 interesting hypothesis! could be haha!
Very rad great explanation
Cody Wanner Thanks Cody! This is no small complement. 😊😆
Very nice introduction!
This is exactly what I wanted too. I mean ain't nobody cares about resolution. If you do you're being lazy. However the dynamic range is always worth increasing. The way how colors behave is uncanny.
Rango Konk yes!! Dynamic range is definitely my preferred spec. Some cameras handle exposure and colors so poorly, I can’t wait until that technology is really mastered!
This is really clever, thanks
Paul Richards hey thanks! Hope it helps with your own shoots.
I really like your videos ❤️ Thanx a lot
Glad you like them!
Great knowledge brother
Azlan rain Khan hey thanks for watching! 🤛
Agree with you
Great tip! Thanks
Fernando Quevedo of course! Thanks for watching.
This is genius! Thank you!
Yea, graduated NDs are really cool and useful indeed, but there's a huge difference between ''camera'' dynamic range and ''scene'' dynamic range. Using a gradated ND, you're not adding dynamic range to the camera.. you're actually lowering the dynamic range of the scene. It's like setting up lights so a Canon T2i would show the same DR result as an Arri Alexa. It is impossible to add extra stops of DR to any camera.
You’re not Adding DR your utilizing the existing DR by using NDs. Title is misleading but gotta get people to watch somehow right 🤷🏼♂️
I think most of us know this and don't feel the need to state the obvious. It's a cheap and effective way of dealing with a blown out sky. Sure it's an attention-grabbing title, but he is giving solid info in the video.
Why is a graduated filter increasing my dynamic range and a normal ND filter is not..??? Makes no sense for me at all... :-0
the ND Grad allows you to maintain more detail in the the highlights of the sky, so it makes your image have more "DR" per say. Normal ND filters allow you to open up your aperture more but keep a good solid exposure.
Super
THE ROSE WORLD Thanks!
Great tip! Thanx C👍
Thomas Windfeld no problem, thanks for watching!!
Do I understend right you say that Xt-4 has better dynamic range than BMPCC 6k?
Striving for Film Look Fujifilm “claims” higher DR on paper (14 stops vs 13), but the Pocket 6k has better DR in BRAW for sure.
@@chadwin Thanks.
love the intro!
Thanks
I also found this confusing and misleading. If you were using a Blackmagic camera, you would have enough dynamic range to just shoot the scene, especially with raw. A grad filter can improve flat landscapes, but that doesn't help the cameras that do have problems with dynamic range: webcams, mobile phones, snap cameras, DSLRs.
Not an increase......
Post prod software is amazing for graduate filter
Title should be: Add 3 Stops of Dynamic Range to Any Image! (not camera)
fair enough! haha
The explosions after the 12k was lacking so much excitement😂😂😂😩
MrJayclas 🤣 yeah! You can tell I’m really enthused by all the new high res cameras.
Does the Fuji really have more DR than the Blackmagic?
TheItalianBard they claim to have more. From my experience it’s very close actually.
x-t4 14 stop versin, ben de bütün mahalleye ... (3 noktayı sen doldur)
Definitely not for every situation but good tip nonetheless.
Stronz Vanderploeg oh 100% It’s only for certain situations, but when you need it, it comes in clutch!
Easier way is just to use masks in editing to isolate and adjust exposure for different areas of the frame. Use nd when outside of course.
cincyfan987 you can definitely use masks in post and possibly get a similar effect, unless your skies are totally blown out and there’s no data to pull back in post.
What happens when you’re shooting a person outdoors. Can’t really use this method in a narrative unless you’re just getting landscape b roll...
Yeah, that's a great question. If you go back and watch some of the b-roll I actually shot with a subject in the frame with the ND grad on and it worked fine. It doesn't always though, sometimes it darkens the subject too much. But, sometimes you can balance the exposure right and it works. Also works well for wide shots with characters in the scene that aren't crossing the horizon.
Where the extra stops ??????😞😞😞😞😞😞😞
lol i been using that since 2008.... , what i do is light the subject is he gets to dark..
This isn't an increase of dynamic range but the darkening of one side over the other side
Random RimRock #facts but it gets the job done and “simulates” more dynamic range
you show and teach how to buy a new filter nothing about ISO Dynamic Range
Why 3 stops? You could add 3 graduated and get much more than 3 stops. With more filters you could even make more graduation using them not aligned getting 3 stops close to the ground than 6 stops than 9 stops
😑🤦🏾♂️As a professional photographer, you aren't adding any dynamic range man. The information captured is still baked on to the sensor limitation. This is like saying using a graduated filters on a dslr or smartphone will remove all limitations. If it were that simple nobody would pay more for better dynamic range cameras. You are just selling filters, which are useful...but actually reduce dynamic range in the darkened sections of the filter....as I'm sure you know. We use it to cut light...not extend dynamic range. This is the largest amount of legitimate misinformation I've seen in a very long time. How you have so many likes is beyond me. You're literally wrong.
Maybe Sony a7III better? Full frame, 14 stop, nice autofocus....
Dynamic range is more important, but the resolution shouldn't be less than 4k because it's the standard nowadays.
Yeah, I think 4k is definitely a great standard to try and stick to right now, but I will say, we still film and deliver so many videos for clients in 1080p, especially because so much of the client work we're doing right now is virtual, zoom, skype etc. lol!
Who need Graduate Filters when you have Masks to do the work 😀
haha! True, masks are a great way to do it as well, as long as the data is there in the raw video file to begin with. If you clip all your highlights while out filming, you're toast!
Had me at "I don't care about the K's"
Arri just released alexa 35 with the dynamic range of 17 stops Lmao.
yeah, it's pretty insane! if only we all had $78,000+ laying around to buy one....haha
Wow
Great bait man
You almost got me! Good job
haha it's not bait though exactly! You really can add more dynamic range to your images, it's just not an actual upgrade to your camera software or hardware.
@@chadwin not properly correct... you've just decreased the contrast ratio of the light captured by the camera. Dynamic range is a camera feature and it is scene independent
Sony likes to beef up the specs on paper. They just play the best specs game. 13.7? Yeah right, more like barely 8. Sony’s way of adding dynamic range is just to reduce the contrast some more lol. I’ve tried working with slog and it’s garbage. All you can do to it is make it basically look slightly better than just using Sony’s cine or normal PP. I’ll stick with my bmpcc 4k. Sony I’ll use for stills and occasional video. Other than that they’re codec is just garbage to work with. It can produce some good images but then claiming 13.7 stops is just absolutely laughable. Bmd on claims 13 for the p4k and it blows the Sony out of the water
Prism Productions yeah you’re definitely right! The 8bit Sony’s really struggle with DR and good colors. BMD cameras are incredible in those areas, no competition 😆 It’s totally all just marketing claims from Sony.
you touching the filter like that want to tell us that you're pro ? ... LOL
nobody is using those for video, wtf man
bmpcc has like 5 stops above middle grey at iso 400, more than enough
trust me, many cinematographers do use ND grads still, especially those who've been in the industry a long time and once shot on film. they aren't perfect for Every situation, but there are times when they work great.
Canon never ever ever have a single camera with good dynamic range, no matter what the dynamic range score telling us, Canon is awfully distinguished with it dynamic range, I can easily spot photo from Canon due to its poor dynamic range, and sadly this habit keep continuing. Dynamic range is pretty much the main reason that I ditched Canon and move to Sony & Fuji
You don't need Ks? 1080p is 2K bro
It's not though. 1920x1080 is considered HD. 2k is 2048x1080
Fuck it gimme 50 stops
I am a DR Junkie too
Next level product marketing😅🤣
you see, film is about story and content not well exposed skies
what are you, a photographer?
So the objective of cinema cameras to have the most dynamic range possible is just a joke? Are you saying that a hollywood is wasting big bucks on camera gear because they're focusing not only on story? What are you, a primary phone filmmaker?
add more views by using click bait titles of Add 3 stops DR to any cam
Yeah no. It will not give you more DR. Not even close. That is just gradial filter. Looks fake also. For some landscape photos its fine but on video its a no go. Click bate, nothing more.
it's not a click bait; he hoped he reinvented the wheel of cinematography.
imagine instead of waiting for the next best sensor, you just buy a nd grad
this must be a joke, right. it's not that easy
Examples are dumb, different lighting. LMAO
the point IS to show it in different lighting situations.
#clickbait
"only $40"
bruh, they're worth the equivalent of $280 in my country so it's not "only". It's actually quite alot
🤷♂️ I dunno what to tell you. I guess save up if you really need it! In the US $40 is generally considered affordable.
@@chadwin it's not possible to save up because not only everything here costs 7 times more than in US, I also earn 7 times less than I would earn in US at same job. I'm not angry at you, but it's tiresome to hear Americans say: "it's ONLY $40", "it's ONLY $150", "it's ONLY $700" while to me that "only" is something I'll never be able to afford.
@@bqgin as a UK person, we do have a harder time to find recommended stuff and it is more expensive but Chadwin is from the US, that is where it is affordable. He's not likely to go and find out the prices in every single country and see if they are still affordable. It is affordable for him.
Should rename the video to: "How to use a graduated ND"
I don't care about dynamic range I what bit 12-14-16 bit otherwise the dynamic range is use less. You need to go back to school.
Your explanation about dynamic range don't let you pass the first trimester on any school.
Don't make me lose my time with this please XD
Screw the megapixels screw the 4k video. Give me Dynamic Rangelike the fujifilm s3 had. That thing is a beast