Galleon? GALLEON?! That my friend, is a carrack. Galleons didn't have the raised focsle. The carrack is essentially the predecessor to the galleon though and maritime terms have always been kind of vague, especially back then. Of course, that's on the developers, not you, haha! I still enjoyed the video
Very true Mocha! You are right, they are definitely Carracks, or as the Portuguese called them Naus. As you pointed out the Galleon was much more streamlined, akin to the Frigates of the future, they did not have the huge towering castles at the end and front of the ship and were much more maneuverable. I was going to call them Carracks and Naus, but as you mentioned the developers named it a Galleon so I just rolled with it. Nice catch though, seems like you like Naval history, also a huge fan! Cheers for the info, and glad you are enjoying the content man! If there is any specific fight you would like to see, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 I do love naval history quite a bit! I haven’t played this game, but I always loved the designs of Japanese and Korean ships of this era. They’re like floating castles! Of course, that makes sense if tactics rely on boarding other ships
@@mochagoat1998 If you like Japanese and Korean ships, you def should try this game out, and I am sure there are mods on steam that add the Korean turtle ship!
Carrack galleons where used to transport troops and cargo I never played shogun 2 but it would be nice if this "galleons" could be a merchant and transport ship to.
@@boki102409they are. Actually any ship in this game can carry troops. I do believe the galleons in game can also be used for trading goods as in game that are called "nanban (Southwestern) trade ships" if anything the galleons are usually my main way of transporting reinforcements along the coast of Japan.
Because it's not a galleon, it's a carrack. And a huge one at that, carracks weren't that big. They also weren't as poorly armed, this one is enormous but only carries 24 guns as opposed to the 80-120 it should. Exploration carracks did carry around 20 guns, but they weren't this big. The flagship of Vasco da Gama during his trip to India had 20 guns but only 60 crew, not 300+ like this one.
Hi Ahmed! True true, will be more careful, this time I got away with it though! If you want to see ships burning chack the second naval battle, won't disappoint. Glad you are enjoying the content, if you would like to see any specific fight, feel free to let me know!
I have something really sad to say! The Otomo clan have better ships then the Mori! The only thing the Mori slightly had going for it got eclipsed by Added an additional DLC clan! I love the Mori historically but shogun2 just take a massive tomtit on them. At leas the Mori aren't the worst built faction in the game, that go's to the Hitori clan!
Hi ARNI Julian! For sure! The Mori was done dirty by SEGA with the Otomo clan DLC, but hey none of them can match Portugal any way haha. Don´t know anything about them historically so thanks for sharing the info. Glad you are enjoying the content, if you would like to see any specific fight, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 The Mori shi is one of the clans go's back to the kamakura Jidae since 1225. The mori in the Battle of Kozuki Castle defeated toyotomi hideyoshi sent by Oda. Oda's sent force of 10,000 suffered loses, casualties & captuure of at least 1/2 the troops sent. The Mori losses where little to none. Kizugawaguchi 1st naval battle was a Mori victory though outnumbered with smaller ships but they would lose Mori Motonori in the 2nd battle where oda had 8 heavy Atakebune if memory serves. The mori supplied trade to the Ikko iki from 1271 via naval route since the ikko ikki wasn't reeally a clan with border but mad monk revolutionists of a sort. The Mori ended in the second battle mentioned in 1579. The Mori won more battles then Oda clan but could not suffer the losses at this 1 crushing defeat because their region of chugoku had little population to replace the fallen & Motonori's death in the battle left the clan effectively without command so The Mori became a vassal of sort's used to direct coastal trade mainly. This is a very brief over view of the mori master muncher. A clan that punched above it weight limit & made a note of it's self against much larger clan's.
@@arnijulian6241 WOW ARNI! Succinct, informative, condensed and fluid read! Amazing, cheers for sharing it! Incredibly interesting, a good underdog story with a tragic ending is always appealing, just like the romance heroes of the 1900s. Definitely would make a cool film or mini-series! Learning new historical facts and stories is always fun for me, so thank you! If you would like, cause it takes time, keep them coming, I am sure I won´t be the only one appreciating them. If you would like to see a specific fight, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 I edited it slightly as it amazing what your eyes perceive as correct grammar in the middle of night. I don't now that much & that was a rather brief summary but the 3 mentioned pitched battle where likely the largest but other key battles occurred. I give my 2 pence if anything comes to mind master muncher.
The way the ships sink in shogun is way more detailed than in the later release Rome 2 ......shows how they downgrade the product slowly each year and sell us at higher price each year.
So many shogun 2 youtubers say the Black Ship isn't worth it in the campaign... I completely disagree and try to get it at every chance. The upkeep cost on this one ship is worth it to me. It replaces 2-3 entire fleets. Also it's great for leveling up a general. Lots of easy to win sea battles.
it's still a pain in the arse to locate the black ship while also bringing enough manpower to capture it. But yeah, if you do get it you basically control the sea, aka all the trading lanes.
@@kaleidoscope3234 It took me a while to figure it out but I can capture it with two or three fleets... and just one or two if it doesn't try to run from battle the initial battle. Use war cry while boarding and it only takes 4-6 medium bunes to overwhelm the black ship's crew. Even on legendary difficulty.
@@Raptorsified yeah but you need to remember the black ship can easily destroy an entire fleet and maybe taking a few scratches on it's paint against 2 fleets or more. Having 2 fleets in your navy you will inevitably take casualties and will have to replenish at port. The black ship eliminate rebuilding cost for lost ships and opportunity costs from having ships sitting duck in the shipyard after a battle or two.
Spectacular! I used to do that back when i was playing Shogun 2 Total War. Now bring the the Largest wooden ship with cannons that ever existed, bring the Santissima Trinida, for a good laugh
Hi Saguntum! It’s really fun to just blast the other ships isn’t it? That would be sooo cool! Wish it was possible, it would have just destroyed anything with one broadside.
as expect of Mori clan. I tried to capture the nanban ship with fleets from other clans, rush them into melee, and everytime the black ships just route half my fleet and sunk the other half. It is quite impressive to see Mori ships managed to get so close and take so much damage without shameful display.
Hi michale! Yeah, in the vanilla game capturing that ship is a pain! You really need a good varied and catered fleet to do it. Oh no, that is horrible, can´t even imagine the level of frustration you felt when that happened. Glad you are enjoying the content!
@@michaekrynicki8330 For sure! The auto-resolve is beyond harsh! Even when, as you mention, you have a clear advantage. There are battles in the campaign where a little ship does major damage to a caravel. If the player played that battle it would have been so different. Frustrating losing the black ship like that man.
It,s a carrack. Btw its to big for the region of world. Such a carrack as big as in the game would be one of the biggest carracks ever build (yes such where build) but still it would have not 20 but 60 or up to 100 guns and then it would have a crew of 400 - 500 men (but only as in war time) a commercial carrack as big as in the game would have half of the cannons stript to 30 at best 40 and the crew would be at 120 men circa. Still even stript of the guns and most of the crew no asian ship at the time could take a fight with such a carrack. Even a asian fleet of ships would be defenseless agains it.
Hi MrBb3k! Good question, like you I assume the vessels without sails must have rowers. Or they just paddled with their feet, either way in the game it works.
I allways rush to get the black ship as soon as I can, many of my western style merchant ships are going to perish, but this is a sacrifice IM willing to make
hi master muncher, I downloaded the mod from Portuguese but when I opened the game they simply weren't there, in which folder do I have to put the mod, sorry for the bad english I'm using a translator
Hi messi! Sorry that you are having trouble downloading the mods. Do you speak Portuguese or Spanish, I´ll give the explanation in English but if you want I can explain the process in those languages too. So, the first thing is that you need to subscribe to all 4 parts of the Portuguese Faction mod from the steam workshop. The 3rd part you'll have to download from a link that the mod gives you. Once you downloaded part 3 you need to go where your steam files are, click on shogun 2 and open the data folder. Then you scroll down and look for the 3 files you downloaded from steam, part 1, 2 and 4. Place part 3 after part 2 and that should do it. After you successfully downloaded and installed the Portuguese faction mod from steam, you should download Portugal Redux + from ModDB, the links are in the descriptions of the videos. Hope this answered your question. Keep me updated on how it goes.
Honestly I never liked how top heavy they designed these Galleons. Like they look like they can capsize with a slight breeze. They do look cool, but it look better if they Mae the aft and forecastle 5 decks high with a 2 and a half high main deck. The nanban trade ships on teother hand look great in terms of design and accuracy.
a few of these carracks actually capsized, but the black ship depicted in shogun 2 is actually authentic. I was surprised too when I saw it's real life version.
That's how they looked. Carracks had remarkable stability on open ocean because of how wide the hull was towards the waterline. The same design idea was implemented on the galleons, indiamen and especially fluyts that succeeded the carracks, to allow them to carry massive amounts of cargo without capsizing. Really the strangest thing about the black ships in shogun 2 is how big they are. The portuguese did not use trade carracks this big, with 300+ crew compliments. You can clearly see from the amount of cannon portholes that this is meant to be a war carrack that should carry 80+ guns, which wouldn't be near Japan with a 5th of the guns they should have. Why they didn't just make it a smaller carrack with 80 crew and 24 guns and make it very deadly at range but prone to be taken out easily through boarding is beyond me. It would have been both more realistic and more balanced.
Hi Arama_wild! You are correct, that is in fact a large Carrack, but the modders named in Galleon so I just went with that. True once again, 18th-century ships onwards could field a lot more guns in each vessel. This was the beginning of the process.
I only afraid of fire bomb kobaya and bow kobaya in naval battle, their small dimension made them harder to shot at. But they can inflict a devastating damage to your galleon or nanban trade ship.
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Galleon? GALLEON?! That my friend, is a carrack. Galleons didn't have the raised focsle. The carrack is essentially the predecessor to the galleon though and maritime terms have always been kind of vague, especially back then. Of course, that's on the developers, not you, haha! I still enjoyed the video
Very true Mocha! You are right, they are definitely Carracks, or as the Portuguese called them Naus. As you pointed out the Galleon was much more streamlined, akin to the Frigates of the future, they did not have the huge towering castles at the end and front of the ship and were much more maneuverable. I was going to call them Carracks and Naus, but as you mentioned the developers named it a Galleon so I just rolled with it. Nice catch though, seems like you like Naval history, also a huge fan! Cheers for the info, and glad you are enjoying the content man! If there is any specific fight you would like to see, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 I do love naval history quite a bit! I haven’t played this game, but I always loved the designs of Japanese and Korean ships of this era. They’re like floating castles! Of course, that makes sense if tactics rely on boarding other ships
@@mochagoat1998 If you like Japanese and Korean ships, you def should try this game out, and I am sure there are mods on steam that add the Korean turtle ship!
Carrack galleons where used to transport troops and cargo I never played shogun 2 but it would be nice if this "galleons" could be a merchant and transport ship to.
@@boki102409they are. Actually any ship in this game can carry troops. I do believe the galleons in game can also be used for trading goods as in game that are called "nanban (Southwestern) trade ships" if anything the galleons are usually my main way of transporting reinforcements along the coast of Japan.
bro, that boat should capsize immediately
that galleon looks like a 3d model of what a medieval artist *thinks* what a galleon looks like.
I thought the same like Wtf is that🤣
because its not meant to be a galleon, it's a carrack but the person who made the video mistook it
Because it's not a galleon, it's a carrack. And a huge one at that, carracks weren't that big. They also weren't as poorly armed, this one is enormous but only carries 24 guns as opposed to the 80-120 it should. Exploration carracks did carry around 20 guns, but they weren't this big. The flagship of Vasco da Gama during his trip to India had 20 guns but only 60 crew, not 300+ like this one.
The shape is clearly based on how Japanese artists at the time drew that type of ships
@@joaogomes9405 Great Carracks like the Mary Rose and smaller ones had only around 30 to 40 great guns, the rest being swivels
Watch for bow kobaya as it could set your galleons on fire easily. Better to fight with some supporting ships next and deploy the galleons farther
Hi Ahmed! True true, will be more careful, this time I got away with it though! If you want to see ships burning chack the second naval battle, won't disappoint. Glad you are enjoying the content, if you would like to see any specific fight, feel free to let me know!
My dude took never let them know your next move to another level by putting his house on a boat 💀
I have something really sad to say!
The Otomo clan have better ships then the Mori!
The only thing the Mori slightly had going for it got eclipsed by Added an additional DLC clan!
I love the Mori historically but shogun2 just take a massive tomtit on them. At leas the Mori aren't the worst built faction in the game, that go's to the Hitori clan!
Hi ARNI Julian! For sure! The Mori was done dirty by SEGA with the Otomo clan DLC, but hey none of them can match Portugal any way haha. Don´t know anything about them historically so thanks for sharing the info. Glad you are enjoying the content, if you would like to see any specific fight, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 The Mori shi is one of the clans go's back to the kamakura Jidae since 1225.
The mori in the Battle of Kozuki Castle defeated toyotomi hideyoshi sent by Oda.
Oda's sent force of 10,000 suffered loses, casualties & captuure of at least 1/2 the troops sent. The Mori losses where little to none.
Kizugawaguchi 1st naval battle was a Mori victory though outnumbered with smaller ships but they would lose Mori Motonori in the 2nd battle where oda had 8 heavy Atakebune if memory serves.
The mori supplied trade to the Ikko iki from 1271 via naval route since the ikko ikki wasn't reeally a clan with border but mad monk revolutionists of a sort.
The Mori ended in the second battle mentioned in 1579.
The Mori won more battles then Oda clan but could not suffer the losses at this 1 crushing defeat because their region of chugoku had little population to replace the fallen & Motonori's death in the battle left the clan effectively without command so The Mori became a vassal of sort's used to direct coastal trade mainly.
This is a very brief over view of the mori master muncher.
A clan that punched above it weight limit & made a note of it's self against much larger clan's.
@@arnijulian6241 WOW ARNI! Succinct, informative, condensed and fluid read! Amazing, cheers for sharing it! Incredibly interesting, a good underdog story with a tragic ending is always appealing, just like the romance heroes of the 1900s. Definitely would make a cool film or mini-series! Learning new historical facts and stories is always fun for me, so thank you! If you would like, cause it takes time, keep them coming, I am sure I won´t be the only one appreciating them. If you would like to see a specific fight, feel free to let me know!
@@mastermuncher1492 I edited it slightly as it amazing what your eyes perceive as correct grammar in the middle of night.
I don't now that much & that was a rather brief summary but the 3 mentioned pitched battle where likely the largest but other key battles occurred.
I give my 2 pence if anything comes to mind master muncher.
@@arnijulian6241 The end product is still great regardless!
Brief but informative!!
Please do!! Much appreciated ARNI!!!
I remember when Mori clan destroyed my whole Otomo navy then i discovered that those nanban ship is recruitable and so the crusade begin
The way the ships sink in shogun is way more detailed than in the later release Rome 2 ......shows how they downgrade the product slowly each year and sell us at higher price each year.
So many shogun 2 youtubers say the Black Ship isn't worth it in the campaign... I completely disagree and try to get it at every chance. The upkeep cost on this one ship is worth it to me. It replaces 2-3 entire fleets. Also it's great for leveling up a general. Lots of easy to win sea battles.
it's still a pain in the arse to locate the black ship while also bringing enough manpower to capture it. But yeah, if you do get it you basically control the sea, aka all the trading lanes.
@@kaleidoscope3234 It took me a while to figure it out but I can capture it with two or three fleets... and just one or two if it doesn't try to run from battle the initial battle. Use war cry while boarding and it only takes 4-6 medium bunes to overwhelm the black ship's crew. Even on legendary difficulty.
Idk the upkeep is as much as FIVE regular galleons. That's enough for two fleets+ some sengoku bune as screens
@@Raptorsified yeah but you need to remember the black ship can easily destroy an entire fleet and maybe taking a few scratches on it's paint against 2 fleets or more. Having 2 fleets in your navy you will inevitably take casualties and will have to replenish at port. The black ship eliminate rebuilding cost for lost ships and opportunity costs from having ships sitting duck in the shipyard after a battle or two.
Are you a Brazilian or portuguese?
Hi PartisanBR, I am Brazilian but I also lived in Portugal for several years!
The Galleon looks epic!
It sure does!
Spectacular! I used to do that back when i was playing Shogun 2 Total War.
Now bring the the Largest wooden ship with cannons that ever existed, bring the Santissima Trinida, for a good laugh
Hi Saguntum! It’s really fun to just blast the other ships isn’t it? That would be sooo cool! Wish it was possible, it would have just destroyed anything with one broadside.
as expect of Mori clan. I tried to capture the nanban ship with fleets from other clans, rush them into melee, and everytime the black ships just route half my fleet and sunk the other half. It is quite impressive to see Mori ships managed to get so close and take so much damage without shameful display.
Wow! that was intense! great video Master Muncher
6:53 *The first wooden submarine ship diving (trying), colorized*
9:51 *Titanic music when the Mori are drowning from the wooden Titanic*
Hahaha, brilliant time stamp man! On point!
@@mastermuncher1492 hehe
i hate the black ship spent a hour geting it in multiplayer campaing and then lost it in autoresolve
Hi michale! Yeah, in the vanilla game capturing that ship is a pain! You really need a good varied and catered fleet to do it. Oh no, that is horrible, can´t even imagine the level of frustration you felt when that happened. Glad you are enjoying the content!
@@mastermuncher1492 its not only that is hard to capture its also that its easy to lose in autoreasolve when you have big advantege
@@michaekrynicki8330 For sure! The auto-resolve is beyond harsh! Even when, as you mention, you have a clear advantage. There are battles in the campaign where a little ship does major damage to a caravel. If the player played that battle it would have been so different. Frustrating losing the black ship like that man.
@@mastermuncher1492 yea
I run my black ship with a fleet of Nanban trade ships when I get it, nothing can beat me
It,s a carrack. Btw its to big for the region of world. Such a carrack as big as in the game would be one of the biggest carracks ever build (yes such where build) but still it would have not 20 but 60 or up to 100 guns and then it would have a crew of 400 - 500 men (but only as in war time) a commercial carrack as big as in the game would have half of the cannons stript to 30 at best 40 and the crew would be at 120 men circa. Still even stript of the guns and most of the crew no asian ship at the time could take a fight with such a carrack. Even a asian fleet of ships would be defenseless agains it.
i used to defeat this Black ship by baiting him with sengoku bune and just meele try to chip away his crew and use fire bomb kobaya
I wonder how some of the Japanese ships move without any sails. Or did they have rowers?
Hi MrBb3k! Good question, like you I assume the vessels without sails must have rowers. Or they just paddled with their feet, either way in the game it works.
If you look closely at the waterline, you can see the rowers.
shogun 2 ai is dumb af. they couldve burned this monster down, or easier, force a landing and demoralise it until surrender
I allways rush to get the black ship as soon as I can, many of my western style merchant ships are going to perish, but this is a sacrifice IM willing to make
2 stacks of medium/heavy to capture that black ship i think
hi master muncher, I downloaded the mod from Portuguese but when I opened the game they simply weren't there, in which folder do I have to put the mod, sorry for the bad english I'm using a translator
Hi messi! Sorry that you are having trouble downloading the mods. Do you speak Portuguese or Spanish, I´ll give the explanation in English but if you want I can explain the process in those languages too. So, the first thing is that you need to subscribe to all 4 parts of the Portuguese Faction mod from the steam workshop. The 3rd part you'll have to download from a link that the mod gives you. Once you downloaded part 3 you need to go where your steam files are, click on shogun 2 and open the data folder. Then you scroll down and look for the 3 files you downloaded from steam, part 1, 2 and 4. Place part 3 after part 2 and that should do it. After you successfully downloaded and installed the Portuguese faction mod from steam, you should download Portugal Redux + from ModDB, the links are in the descriptions of the videos. Hope this answered your question. Keep me updated on how it goes.
@@mastermuncher1492 thanks!
Honestly I never liked how top heavy they designed these Galleons. Like they look like they can capsize with a slight breeze. They do look cool, but it look better if they Mae the aft and forecastle 5 decks high with a 2 and a half high main deck. The nanban trade ships on teother hand look great in terms of design and accuracy.
a few of these carracks actually capsized, but the black ship depicted in shogun 2 is actually authentic. I was surprised too when I saw it's real life version.
That's how they looked. Carracks had remarkable stability on open ocean because of how wide the hull was towards the waterline. The same design idea was implemented on the galleons, indiamen and especially fluyts that succeeded the carracks, to allow them to carry massive amounts of cargo without capsizing. Really the strangest thing about the black ships in shogun 2 is how big they are. The portuguese did not use trade carracks this big, with 300+ crew compliments. You can clearly see from the amount of cannon portholes that this is meant to be a war carrack that should carry 80+ guns, which wouldn't be near Japan with a 5th of the guns they should have. Why they didn't just make it a smaller carrack with 80 crew and 24 guns and make it very deadly at range but prone to be taken out easily through boarding is beyond me. It would have been both more realistic and more balanced.
How do they float w/o sails?
Hi Jarik, maybe it´s samurai magic bro haha.
That’s a carrack not a galleon plus empire and napoleon have ships with 180 guns
Hi Arama_wild! You are correct, that is in fact a large Carrack, but the modders named in Galleon so I just went with that. True once again, 18th-century ships onwards could field a lot more guns in each vessel. This was the beginning of the process.
actually if my memory is correct napoleon have a 144 gun ship but nothing over it
Its a Carrack. Not a galleon.
I only afraid of fire bomb kobaya and bow kobaya in naval battle, their small dimension made them harder to shot at. But they can inflict a devastating damage to your galleon or nanban trade ship.
I would not call that overpowered when its actually “realistic”. Just powerful you know xd
Its a mod ?
VG
Nau
Bring the true mesh of galleon from Empire Total war.
Eso es una carraca, no un galeón, los galeones solo tienen 2 velas por mástil
Portuguese Overpowered god must nerf them
Me has puesto MUY nervioso no abardando el barco.
Amazing naval battles, i need to play this game ...
Is this a mod
Отличный бой ❤❤❤
Late comment but are servers still running for Shogun 2/ Fall of the Samurai Multiplayer?
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