Why the Laws of Nature? | Episode 411 | Closer To Truth
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- What's real? What's fundamental? There are regularities in nature, things that are or work the same-always, everywhere, across the universe just like in your kitchen. Down deep, what are the laws of nature? What makes them "laws"? And where do they come from? Featuring interviews with Martin Rees, Steven Weinberg, Freeman Dyson, Peter Atkins, Lee Smolin, and Bas van Fraassen.
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I love your work, keep it up, watching this channel is like having conversions with the greatest people alive.
Truth lol
True.
strongly agree
Agree
Greatest? They are just experts in their fields focused on a tiny niche of reality. We don't know if they are moral or not. You wouldn't call them great had any of them raped a child.
A law ,” a consistency of behaviour”,
I’ve never heard it put so eloquently, and with that Robert I’m so jealous of the people you get to meet and chat with, having said that I am soo happy that you ask them the questions that you do .
Keep up the brilliant work , every vid of yours has been such joy to watch.
Your vídeos are my companions almost every night before I go to sleep. And I have learned so many things... but the most import, they have inspired me to make more questions, in a way I had not made before.
Quote from my Dad,
“If you always have questions then your learning has no limits”
He was a man of few words but when he spoke one listened.
Incidentally he also said that people are to hung up with the question ,
“Why am I here”, to which he would say there is only one answer that would prevail the passage of time, and that was,
“We/I am here to leave this world better than I found it”.
When I was young I never liked this explanation, but as I got older I realised what it really meant and how true he was .
Take Care . R .
Excellent. It reminds me of my bachelor's and master's years when I was studying philosophy of science. I particularly remembered Van Vas Fraasen's constructive empiricism. It is nice to see him interviewed. It may seem as a surprise, but after having read all his works I never knew how he looked until now.
The ultimate talent is that, in the end of video it is linked to the question that
*Are We CLOSER TO TRUTH ?*
Robert, this is one of your best. Please keep them coming. I am now seemingly dependent on the continuum of your prolific presentations.
Laws are observable and consistent and posits a lawgiver.
No human in the history of humanity has ever observed a law.
I am willing to be proven wrong though. Show me a law.
@@tgenov Gravity
@@Thenarrowpath833 Gravity is not a law. It is a phenomenon.
And even that is a dubious claim. In Einstein’s theory gravity is an epi-phenomenon.
Law of nature is that which is already designed.❤
Is it different from natural law?
Freeman Dyson... Salute
I feel better. Thank you. Working on myself
Beautiful and a beautiful appoach today...loved Freeman Dyson, who I believe is studying in a whole new reality these days...consciousness....we know very little, but, unlike 40 or 50 years ago, it's okay to study it now...thank you as always for the magnificent work...it is personally helping me with my own long quest for the truth...and freedom
One of the most astonishing aspects of this continuous program is its Relevance & universal appeal through out the world.. Sitting at my southern most coastal state of Kerala in India, I could understand and be with Mr Kuhn on this journey s searching for the Truth of many things that we take for granted... 🙏
This show is amazing, cant believe I am only learning about the existence of this channel today
The episodes about the relation between Cosmology and Theology are a gold mine
Fascinating discussion....thank you.....this is kind of how my mind thinks about our universe and life in general!🙌
This discourse has been excellent
Carl Sagan said that we are only ankle deep in the sea of knowledge! The laws of nature could change over time.
I look forward to your videos sir. They promote deep thinking.
I've learnt something new. Today. 😊
Thank u
FANTASTIC EPISODE.
CTT made me to rethink about my conditioning whether its through formal education, learning from people, nature e.t.c
Excellent episode
Am reminded we each within have our own perspective of Truth. In coming together with collective source this truth changes evolves. Into a bigger picture of Nature
Great video!!
Excellenteeeeee.....
I loved the ending! Cliff hanger. He asked the audience a very thought provoking question. "Is something here hidden? "
Nothing hidden , if there was a universe before ours the must had a different laws , so laws change where do those laws come from , there is nothing hidden, this universe and it's strict laws came from a being eternal being has no beginning nor end and he is in the work of manipulation,, that being is god Allah
@@loualiaissa6251 get your demonic crap outta here
Can’t have the word crap and Muslim in the same sentence or TH-cam will auto delete it lmao but it’s fine if you call Christianity any names on TH-cam tho , how ridiculous
@@therougesage7466 you hate the truth , the truth cannot be divided, Islam is logical , god is eternal but Jesus the son of Mary will come to live on earth and die because god cannot be blood and flesh and beyond the reality of death , all Christians that seek truth will believe in him before he dies and in the day of resurrection will be a witness on them ..That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
@@loualiaissa6251 the one historical fact, that is indisputable, is that Jesus died on the cross, and Islam professes the lie that Jesus never died on the cross against all historical evidence that points to it being the most reliable fact about the ancient world then any others
Didnt See it, but i am excited
I think the universe may be like a flower 🌸
I like the evolution of laws of physics too! Think about that a lot, thanks!
6:16 He's so delighted to hear that
7:56 When einstein said god he did not mean a personal god he meant principle of harmony. That old dude is a deciever.
I dont see any problem with the statement that laws of nature works according to Gods will.
This was such a lovely, nothing burger. But, I enjoyed the presentation!
Robert has access to all of those brilliant people, I guess they are his friends, that's really cool.
He is a pretty smart man too. Very insightful
Lee Smolin amazing thinker
RULES OF NATURE
Interesting indeed
Thanks
Andrew Strominger is working on uncovering that next level of physics and understanding.
Just like several other physicists.
It is so exciting for me to see from the perspective of a Creator - of laws - that prescribed for this universe a set of laws which cannot in this sphere be broken. But these laws only govern this sphere. What of the other Universe beyond this one? What laws govern that reality? I want to get closer to that truth!
Wooow amazing🔥 🇿🇦🇿🇦
very simple in something infinite you need something finite to have it to let it stay infinite. AND THAT'S THE LAW.
Every argument in science boils down to the anthropic principle, whereas every argument in theology boils down to faith. There you have it /series
martin rees and steven weinberg are always great to listen to. peter atkins ideas i like, smolin though, i just don't seem to get what he is on about, i've tried.
Laws of nature provide order, structure and the existence of living organisms.
I suggest "Thinking and Destiny" by Harold W. Percival
A deeper question: What deeper processes (1) give rise to the existence of the laws of physics; and (2) keep them operating with regularity?
Philosopher Derek parfait answered quite satisfactorily your question'why there's something rather than nothing'
Laws of the Universe exist Independent of anyone's personal beliefs in the existence of the Laws of the Universe. Just as man-made laws govern society globally, Universal Laws govern the entire Universe. Un-directed random natural processes have never been observed or experimentally demonstrated to be capable of producing any form of laws. As scientifically confirmed, non-material laws are the product of only Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence.
What If the reason we have these laws is because you and I and every being that can observe these laws is only able to when these laws exist, this is the anthropic principle.
Essentially each moment could have zillions of years between and by definition our consciousness can only ask this question each time all the ‘laws of nature’ apply. Maybe these moments are not separated by time but something else or maybe they’re not separated at all. Subjectivity of course they’re not separated at all because that’s the nature of consciousness; it’s seamless from one moment to the next. Objectively however trying to peer beyond at an ultimate reality giving rise to this phenomenon are things different from what we perceive? I guess that’s what Robert means by are there things hidden? Yes there are things hidden, hidden through logic because you simply can’t observe what you can’t observe. Observers are only ever going to be observers. I suppose we may never have an answer in all eternity, never closer to truth? but It’s still amazing how we can ask these questions!
@@sprightlyrandom1550 I appreciate your response, but what about universes where no observers exist? How do their laws come to exist if the existence of the laws of physics is dependent on the existence of observers to bring them about?
@@NaturalFuture I’m not saying there needs to be observers to ‘observe reality into existence’. Of course it could be that ultimate fundamental laws are not contingent on observers at all, but one thing that is contingent on observers is simply everything that’s being observed. Now I can see why you’d think I said we need observers to create ‘reality’, but Importantly what we observe is never the actual thing (Kant:things in themselves) but simply just a thought (phenomena).
So when we observe, whenever we observe we’re not observing the actual thing but the actual phenomena possibly caused by the ‘thing in itself’ (that which is external) of course the thing itself could be wildly different to what we observe for instance it could be lots of 1 and 0s, even your whole brain and body is just an observed thing. So I’m saying observation may not be fundamental reality, we don’t know what causes the other.
Hope we will once understand
Laws of nature apply only to ones with desire. When we give up desires, there's no limit to our potential.
Dude, God created the laws.
How do mathematical laws / equations of nature relate to emotional awareness and subjective feeling?
Always leave a like at the beginning, never experienced a episode I didn’t like.
An interview with David Hoffman would be interesting 🤨
Already done..check it out
Autonomous concepts from the point-of-view of our current understanding of these laws; however, since that understanding is imperfect and limited, it represents our ignorance, no less than it does our knowledge, of these laws of nature -- laws that might all possibly be connected and dependent in a hierarchical fashion from a more comprehensive and perfect understanding of the universe and reality as a whole.
Are there any laws of metaphisical part of human beings, and does time, place and conditions change those laws?
The most fundamental of laws is the laws of physical relationships. Bigger, Smaller, Faster, Slower, Left, Right, Up, Down, In, Out, More, Less. These things are immutable, and don't depend observation. All existence, and sciences, depend on these relationships to exist and be consistent. Unfortunately, most of these scientist cant see the forest for the trees. The fact that they skipped over and take these most basic of "laws" is telling. They are laws that can't even conceivably be broken, and EVERYONE takes for granted.
Mind boggling
Each time gave me new shocks which creat new universe in my mind .
Mysterious universe
Yet we are on way to truth …
I think first we need to recognize the fact that identifying and describing the laws of nature (albeit in great detail) is not the same thing as being privy to their ultimate causes. Secondly, the fact that the laws of nature, as far as we could tell, are Universal strongly points at the possibility that there is a deeper layer of truth about the nature and the workings of the Universe that, so far at least, we have no access to or inkling of. For instance, we know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. We could even theoretically and experimentally prove the validity of the law of the conservation of energy, and yet we have no idea why it exists to begin with. The why of it hints at a hidden reality/theory that has so far eluded us.
Why does there have to be a why?
@@paulkita Because it's our natural instinct and curiosity! We may never know why but there is nothing wrong with asking why and wanting an answer.
I never thought I would put Lee Smolin and Rupert Sheldrake, in the same thought. Sheldrake thinks of "laws" as slowly changing "habits". (He also has his own metaphysics with regards to a living "field".) Smolin, of course, is talking about much larger time scales. Evolution of universes. Darwinian selection for these laws.
No law, no order. If chaos ruled life could never flourish.
The whole of manifestation is the One, which expresses the Law of Nature, anytime, anywhere, everywhere, constant, perennial. It is the Law, and our
very understanding of it, or human perception is that which is in eternal evolution, in perpetual becoming. The Law is, everywhere the same.
Patterns rather than laws?
The problem with answers,
Is that they lead to more questions.
Why?
The question that cannot be answered
What does mathematics say about the possibility of multiple universes with different laws of nature?
If you did not know the rules of chess, you could infer them by observing the patterns in the movements of the pieces during chess games. The patterns would not be the rules, the patterns would be generated by the rules. So, where do the rules of chess exist? They do not exist in chess books, they are simply represented there by ink marks on paper. The rules of chess exist in the minds of players and generate observable patterns in the physical movements of pieces. Where do the laws of nature exist? In the mind of God.
Laws of nature are necessity bounding systems meant for constructions and sustaining each and every and their superposition, and overall levels universal structures when each was constructed from two or components.
Natural sciences only recognize laws at physical, chemical and bio-chemical level but in alQuranic perspectives there are laws of nature applied at biological level(cellular, multicellular, organisms, plants and animals) and at intelligent human level at the peak.
Metaphysics made simple with images and impressions.
Apparently, we just don't know why the laws of nature are what they are. This is the one fact we have, but amazing how we can talk and talk about it but we can not get beyond that fact we just do not know.
What’s up with double captions?
What does make it possible for human mind to understand mathematic laws of nature? Does there have to be a common ground for both, perhaps quantum mechanics? What else might have common ground for mathematical laws of nature and human mind?
That physics can be so precisely described by mathematical equations for the laws of nature might mean that next step beyond physics is abstraction and mental?
Can anyone tell us please who's the author of the intro music? Thank you.
Maybe the question is not where they come from, but where they're going.
What would a homogenous and eternal inflation field external to multiple universes mean for mathematical laws / equations of nature?
Quantum Mechanics describes the behavior of subatomic particles with astonishing accuracy but, I wonder, how does that electron actually know what it is supposed to do?
Laws are consequences of Eternal Principles and Basic-Energies.
Motion is the most precious sign of Life,
our Consciousness (Life-Side) is working by Motion, (thinking) the Stuff-side, physical reality, is pure Motion. The Motion-Principle is a set of creator-principles.
(As effect the Real Illusion of Motion)
The Law of Motion is absolutely fundamental for the Eternal Life-performance.
We can differ between Eternal and Local Laws and Logic, but the 'local' is based on the Eternal Laws and Logic.
You’re a dualist? I’m a threealist! Hell yeah bruh
The Price equation tho
The principals that govern this universe, the multiverse or anything else are the strongest evidence of intelligent design. It makes much more sense for there to be nothing rather then something and if something that it be purely chaotic. The fact that this is not the case leads any intelligent mind to the truth of design not happenstance.
R.I.P. Freeman dyson
Rules of nature! And they run when the sun comes up with their lives on the line alive
"Matter cannot exist without physical laws and constants first existing. Physical laws and constants cannot exist without mind / consciousness / intelligence first existing. Mind / consciousness / intelligence is Prime. Mind exists before Matter."
Laws evolved would have evolved through a set parameters guiding the process itself. i.e conditions that already existed to direct the process.
Learning: 18:00
Can you ask a scientist please - If quantum mechanics behaved the way we wanted it to in regards to observing the photon and it just staying as a particle, what would this have meant in the long term?
We are controlled by laws of nature.
There is a general force of nature, and two opposite forces-bestowal and reception-extend from it.
We exist between these forces, and both of these qualities affect us.
Then, the question arises: How do we develop under the influence of these forces? Where do we act? Where are we free? How do we accumulate and correlate these two forces within ourselves? How can we build ourselves out of them?
These are the questions that the wisdom of Kabbalah engages in: how we receive these two forces in an optimal balance, and with their help, shape ourselves so as to resemble the very laws of nature, to arise and reach equivalence of form with the force of bestowal in nature. These very laws gave us the opportunity to control the pace of our progress in accepting them upon ourselves.
That is the point of our freewill.
How could we act if we do not have freewill? Who would we be? Would we just be like robots, always under control?
Until now, we have always been under control. What does it mean?
Nature as if injects a drop of egoism-the desire to enjoy at others’ expense-into us, and then it does so a little more, and a little more again, and we then get the impetus to move toward all kinds of egoistic goals. The more our egoism inflates, the more we become willing to move to increasingly gain at the expense of others. Nature constantly squeezes the syringe into us until it eventually infuses us with the full amount of egoism.
Our era is characterized by the syringe of egoism having become completely injected into us, with no more egoism left to inject. That is why we have nowhere left to run.
Where do we head from here? What do we do?
Moreover, egoism has become global and integral. In the beginning, we felt good because we reached egoistic global connections in the world and thought that everything would be fine. However, when such connections started depending on everyone, we turned out to be nature’s opposite.
At this juncture, we find ourselves with a major dilemma, and we need to work out what we do about it. Where our fully-inflated egoism coupled with our tightening global connections brings us to increasing problems around the world, today we require a new form of connection-enriching education that would have the ability to guide us on how to change our egoistic connections to altruistic ones. That is the key to a shift to a harmonious and peaceful world.
Gravity looks to be fundamental force of universe, while quantum strong, electromagnetic and weak might be fundamental forces beyond universe.
How to understand force beyond universe?
RLK, With some collab, I think we could get to the bottom of this whole "Theory of Everything / Grand Unified Theory" thing. What do you think?
Laws of the Universe exist Independent of anyone's personal beliefs in the existence of the Laws of the Universe. Just as man-made laws govern society globally, Universal Laws govern the entire Universe. Un-directed random natural processes have never been observed or experimentally demonstrated to be capable of producing any form of laws. As scientifically confirmed, non-material laws are the product of only Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence.
Why should material things obey/ follow the LAWS ?
It’s the deepest mystery. Where do they come from, the laws of nature..
Jay, When You Answer Where You Came From, Then You Will Answer Your Own Question.
The fact that our universe exists and is reasonably stable dictates that there are fundamental laws that govern it. If not, it would not exist as long as it has, and is likely to exist in the distant future. Start with the four identified fundamental forces in nature: electromagnetic. weak nuclear, strong nuclear, and gravity. Then, on top of that the laws of thermodynamics, Newton's laws, and so on. If you look closely, you will find that many of these so-called laws are estimates based on observations, induction, and deduction. They hold under most circumstances. So, self-sustaining complex dynamic systems have laws by necessity.
Every video answers some questions but raises even more.
The paradox of feeling more smart and more stupid simultaneously. Would make an interesting video maybe.
Wienberg quoted a Muslim Philosopher of the 13th century who advocated the laws of nature are as planned by God but this thought was far older and more ancient than what Wienberg quoted .
Mental things are just mental - just dreams. You can dream anything - there aren't any laws. A word that hasn't laws can't exist.
What about the laws of the super super natural?
Do atoms have memory the laws of nature may be measured by range
Very excellent work, but could you please talk to a prominent scientist who has either had a Near Death Experience of Psychedelic one
I believe Smolin is right in the same way as a prehistoric mouse isn't a human doensnt mean it wont result in humans according to the laws of nature. Therefore viewed from " inside " the flow of time the laws of the universe might evolve
Weinberg's assertion of what Einstein meant by God is incorrect. Einstein was a Deist and before that he was an atheist until his own theories changed his mind about the beginning of the Universe. A simple mistake to make if you don't look too deep at Albert's personal life. A Deist like Einstein was is not religious for one thing and thinks an all powerful Being created the Universe and then doesn't interact with it afterwards. That is the simplest explanation, though there are different conceptions which is to be expected as long as human ego is a part of it. Albert's viewed his idea of God as the basis of his morality and in a speech given to a crowd of scientists at a university in Berlin if I recall correctly where Einstein said "You are right in speaking of the moral foundations of science, but you cannot turn round and speak of the scientific foundations of morality." He proceeded to point out that science cannot form a base for morality: "every attempt to reduce ethics to scientific formulae must fail."
When arguing about the Niels Bohr School of Quantum physics when Max Born made some claims for quantum effects that Einstein didn't like he told Born in a letter "I am at any rate convinced that He (God) doesn't throw dice." He had a problem with the assertion that Quantum Mechanics were to be considered probabilities without a causal reality behind them. There are some modern physicists who subscribe to this view.
It doesn't sound like Weinberg's perception of Einstein's view of God was fully fleshed out.
Damn, I didn't mean to write so much, just meant to put down the first few sentences and then I started remembering things.
If you understand Spinoza's concept of God then you will understand why Einstein said god does not play dice.
@@invisiblechurch9621 I should have said that Einstein's view of God was pretty much Spinoza's form, but not quite. He had his own idea, or personal view. Sometimes he acted like God made the rules of morality, hence his Berlin speech in the late 20s or early 30s, I don't recall. He didn't like the way scientists in Germany used science like a religion, commonly called scientism. It is the self refuting view that if you cannot prove it with science it isn't worth knowing. Main problem is is that you cannot prove scientism by science.
Einstein wrote in a letter to a friend that modern day scientists knew nothing of history or philosophical thought. He said they are like someone who has studied thousands of trees, but have never seen a forest. Sometime around 1950. It's been a long time since I read his biography and somebody borrowed the book and did not bring it back.
Gravity could be information bit (from singularity?) that replicates similar to DNA information to be fundamental force as universe expands.
Word salad.
@@ferdinandkraft857 good eating
@@jamesruscheinski8602 Nah, it smells bad.
“Ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the Truth”(2Timothy 3:7) it is good to search out the truth… It is not good to search out the truth endlessly-
The bottom layer is mathematics not physics. Reminds me of that one XKCD comic lol; always forgetting the mathematicians
To guide it Kama of danger